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By *erbyDalesCpl OP Couple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Would you rather be free to:

waffle away on-line, without some spotty teenager in GCHQ reading everything you write,

risk being blown up?

or, err,

could there be a third choice?

Personally, I'm quite laid back about it all. At least someone's reading my crap

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At least some one is reading my crap ....

It's all well and good now ....while they look for mad people....I have no desire to go all jihadist so I don't care if they read my crap

But in a few years time when they make swinging illegal ,or eating chocolate ,driving an auto car or just generally don't like the way I look or sound

Will I be on the spyed on list ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I doubt having my emails intercepted will have any bearing on whether I or other are ever 'blown up'

I have nothing to hide but we all have plenty to fear by this.

As I said on another thread we used to pity those in the former Eastern Block fir having their communications monitored- now we seem to be ewelcoming it

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

"Would you rather be free to:

waffle away on-line, without some spotty teenager in GCHQ reading everything you write,

risk being blown up?

or, err,

could there be a third choice?

Personally, I'm quite laid back about it all. At least someone's reading my crap

When GCHQ start replying to your 'Fancy a shag?' PMs then you know youve got a problem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not comfortable with our privacy laws being meddled with , but by the same token the security services will get bored of reading my messages long before I get angry with them for doing so.

It is really a tough one. The events in Belgium yesterday show how good intelligence can be used to stop atrocities. I'm sure phone tapping and such like we're used there to garner information.

In short , I don't know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think they already are reading everything we write, I don't care and if it keeps people safer then that cant be such a bad thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

...all emails sent via hotmail or Gmail are scanned already...that's how they aim the advertising to you.

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By *erbyDalesCpl OP Couple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

When GCHQ start replying to your 'Fancy a shag?' PMs then you know youve got a problem

Pmsl

A problem? Or a solution!

(You just know I'm now off to see if either GCHQ or James Bond has a profile on here.

Mrs ddc may even settle for Bodie n Doyle!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's the kik/watsapp...it's scrambled so not as easy to tap into ...

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I'm not comfortable with our privacy laws being meddled with , but by the same token the security services will get bored of reading my messages long before I get angry with them for doing so.

It is really a tough one. The events in Belgium yesterday show how good intelligence can be used to stop atrocities. I'm sure phone tapping and such like we're used there to garner information.

In short , I don't know. "

by and large this..

If there is an independent process for monitoring / oversight then yes i don't necessarily see an issue..

but there is a part of me which makes me wary of any further powers we allow the state to have 'for our safety' etc.. as history tends to show its open to and may be abused..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While I do of course appreciate the need to defend our citizens against extremist acts, it must be balanced against the freedom of our citizens. Once a government gains an ability to curtail our freedom, it rarely gives it up.

Though we can no doubt say, "Go on, read my boring messages," I have no desire to have some nosy government beggar given the right to do so.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Would you rather be free to:

waffle away on-line, without some spotty teenager in GCHQ reading everything you write,

risk being blown up?

or, err,

could there be a third choice?

Personally, I'm quite laid back about it all. At least someone's reading my crap

How do you know them geeks got spots?

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By *erbyDalesCpl OP Couple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

How do you know them geeks got spots?"

If you use a magnifying-glass, and look really, really carefully at your webcam, you can see them peering back at you.

I always wait till they've gone to make a.cup of tea before I post my most dodgy material...

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

the present government have mentioned they intend to use these powers to quash any kind of future protest movements from developing in the future, specifically with regard to the expected opposition to fracking .... not sure that i agree with that idea as it goes

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By *edsBonkingMan
over a year ago

Near MK

I think some people are paranoid over this "big brother" is watching us thingy It is true but they are really not interested in who's shagging who or what your sexual fantasies may be Any vetting is done to very strict rules and would need a damn good reason to view joe publics emails / messages. Such things would be triggered by certain words and phrases or for individuals / organisations that are known to the security depts of this and other countries. If they did read my emails and found out the last time I had a wank then damn good luck to them, at least they are keeping me safe to allowing me the freedom to do just that.

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By *erbyDalesCpl OP Couple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

" Any vetting is done to very strict rules and would need a damn good reason to view joe publics emails / messages. Such things would be triggered by certain words and phrases

Part of me wonders if this explains why the bbc insists on describing every little squall as a 'weather-bomb'. Are they just messing with the algorithms?

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

"Would you rather be free to:

waffle away on-line, without some spotty teenager in GCHQ reading everything you write,

risk being blown up?

or, err,

could there be a third choice?

Personally, I'm quite laid back about it all. At least someone's reading my crap

First GCHQ is not going to read every email that is sent (they don't have the manpower) they will have to get approval from the Home Secretary to read emails.

It is no different from them listening to your phone conversations or reading your snail mail.

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By *SAwanted321Man
over a year ago

haywards heath

"Would you rather be free to:

waffle away on-line, without some spotty teenager in GCHQ reading everything you write,

risk being blown up?

or, err,

could there be a third choice?

Personally, I'm quite laid back about it all. At least someone's reading my crap

When GCHQ start replying to your 'Fancy a shag?' PMs then you know youve got a problem

"
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Yer I should apologies about that but bloody slow at work , all the terrorists where at the training camp Xmas party .

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

"I'm not comfortable with our privacy laws being meddled with , but by the same token the security services will get bored of reading my messages long before I get angry with them for doing so.

It is really a tough one. The events in Belgium yesterday show how good intelligence can be used to stop atrocities. I'm sure phone tapping and such like we're used there to garner information.

In short , I don't know. "

If you live in the UK you do not have any repeat any privacy laws to meddled with. There are a few laws which are concerned with accuracy of information held but no UK laws that are privacy laws

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By *ikki ShooterTV/TS
over a year ago

Epsom

When GCHQ start replying to your 'Fancy a shag?' PMs then you know youve got a problem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not comfortable with our privacy laws being meddled with , but by the same token the security services will get bored of reading my messages long before I get angry with them for doing so.

It is really a tough one. The events in Belgium yesterday show how good intelligence can be used to stop atrocities. I'm sure phone tapping and such like we're used there to garner information.

In short , I don't know.

by and large this..

If there is an independent process for monitoring / oversight then yes i don't necessarily see an issue..

but there is a part of me which makes me wary of any further powers we allow the state to have 'for our safety' etc.. as history tends to show its open to and may be abused.."

S x

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire

"Would you rather be free to:

waffle away on-line, without some spotty teenager in GCHQ reading everything you write,

risk being blown up?

or, err,

could there be a third choice?

Personally, I'm quite laid back about it all. At least someone's reading my crap

I'm not saying anything terrible and I'm unlikely to come face to face with the folk reading it so basically, I don't care

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By *lttattoocoupleCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

"I think it's the kik/watsapp...it's scrambled so not as easy to tap into ..."

Encrypted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Every business has every little detail about everyone, the councils sell off our voting data, the nhs is selling our medical records, police infiltrate environmentalists groups and impregnate them!. They hold all your browsing data and emails for years on isp servers, Facebook and twitter openly pass on data to US intelligence, the hackers are in control of everyone's webcams which means as sure as billyo mI5 are too and I can't even get the gas board to stop phoning me to sell me boiler insurance...... And it's been going on for years but all of a sudden now people are outraged

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We're only a couple of hundred fabs away from the 1000 mark for one of Mrs N's pic's so if GCHQ MI5 CIA or any other sneaky beaky agency is watching..........get fab'bing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you have nothing to hide, why doesn't other you.

So someone reads my. Email, it's more than I do

I have had the same email address since 1998 I get a lot of spam

Goodluck I say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course, MI5 are wholly trustworthy.

You would never get any security services sleeping with women and making them pregnant or anything like that, would you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you have nothing to hide, why doesn't other you.

So someone reads my. Email, it's more than I do

I have had the same email address since 1998 I get a lot of spam

Goodluck I say "

You may think this extreme, but the USSR and nazi Germany used the same argument. Very few on this site seem to have much respect for the government or for politicians, so why do you not mind them prying into your lives?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The Prevention of Terrorism Act already provides targeted snooping powers.

We have more Acts on terrorism created in the last 10 years than we have had acts of terrorism in this country.

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By *erbyDalesCpl OP Couple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

We have more Acts on terrorism created in the last 10 years than we have had acts of terrorism in this country.

I think sometimes they just like to look like they're doing something!

(I mean, 'tanks to Heathrow', really!

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I'm impressed by the response on here so far though, the news would have us believe we're all massively against it all!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Prevention of Terrorism Act already provides targeted snooping powers.

We have more Acts on terrorism created in the last 10 years than we have had acts of terrorism in this country.

A suspected terrorist can be held for questioning for 28 days. Noone ever has been. So why Theresa May's drive to increase it to 90?

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Apparently a Belgian atrocity was prevented through bugging and surveillance. That is an example of it working well though.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Apparently a Belgian atrocity was prevented through bugging and surveillance. That is an example of it working well though."

I understand we have also had events prevented using existing laws permitting bugging and surveillance.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

On the European Mainland the surveillance powers are further reaching.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As the famous Stinky Turner (Jeff Geggus) once said.

"Freedom , there ain't no fucking freedom"

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By *erbyDalesCpl OP Couple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"As the famous Stinky Turner (Jeff Geggus) once said.

"Freedom , there ain't no fucking freedom" "

I was singing along to TRB the other day, I don't think the neighbours quite understood the sarcasm in Power in the Darkness, and now think I'm a firm UKIP voter.

"And it's about time we said 'Enough is enough'

And saw a return to the traditional British values of discipline

Obedience, morality and freedom"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As the famous Stinky Turner (Jeff Geggus) once said.

"Freedom , there ain't no fucking freedom"

I was singing along to TRB the other day, I don't think the neighbours quite understood the sarcasm in Power in the Darkness, and now think I'm a firm UKIP voter.

"And it's about time we said 'Enough is enough'

And saw a return to the traditional British values of discipline

Obedience, morality and freedom"

Gotta love a bit of Tom Robinson.

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

There are not enough intelligence officers to read our personal rants or obscenities. The reality is that they only have time for people who they suspect.

Also for any doubters there, look up the phrase "collateral intrusion" in respect of RIPA....the law covering surveillance.

Also to be considered is the extension of oversight when powers are extended.

Enough of this....who wants a shag?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are not enough intelligence officers to read our personal rants or obscenities. The reality is that they only have time for people who they suspect.

Also for any doubters there, look up the phrase "collateral intrusion" in respect of RIPA....the law covering surveillance.

Also to be considered is the extension of oversight when powers are extended.

Enough of this....who wants a shag?"
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Is this the new opening line for interrogation in Guantanamo

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