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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Apparently on This Morning they're have the Worlds Best Gay Footballer!! WTF has his sexuality got to do with his talent?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Apparently on This Morning they're have the Worlds Best Gay Footballer!! WTF has his sexuality got to do with his talent?

* they not they're

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

There is a ghey Premier League with all ghey teams they just hide it from us straights.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently on This Morning they're have the Worlds Best Gay Footballer!! WTF has his sexuality got to do with his talent?

* they not they're"

Who was it ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Apparently on This Morning they're have the Worlds Best Gay Footballer!! WTF has his sexuality got to do with his talent?

* they not they're

Who was it ? "

Robbie something or other. Wasn't watching it just heard the advert.

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

Sort of combining the two first posts. It really shouldn't be an issue but unfortunately football society is still a bit stuck in the dark ages regarding this. Keep highlighting such I say, these guys for me are the founding pioneers come the day being out and accepted as a footballer is no longer an issue.

Him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does he get paid £250k a week in sparkly things?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wouldnt mind being in a locker room with a few bi footballers

PenelopeeP

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

This sort of thing annoys me, I couldn't give a hoot about someone's sexuality its only the media that makes such a big thing about it.

Maybe just maybe one day the media won't need to tell us someone's sexuality

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

poor lad hid it for 4 years by sitting on his jazz hands....tahdahhhhh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This sort of thing annoys me, I couldn't give a hoot about someone's sexuality its only the media that makes such a big thing about it.

Maybe just maybe one day the media won't need to tell us someone's sexuality

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I met Thomas Hitzlsperger recently. He's gay and he played for West Ham and Aston Villa. He said the hardest part about coming out was admitting he had played for West Ham.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I met Thomas Hitzlsperger recently. He's gay and he played for West Ham and Aston Villa. He said the hardest part about coming out was admitting he had played for West Ham. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm shocked! How can this kind of thing be allowed? Don't they know they are supposed to be role models?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"This sort of thing annoys me, I couldn't give a hoot about someone's sexuality its only the media that makes such a big thing about it.

Maybe just maybe one day the media won't need to tell us someone's sexuality

this..

and the still in the stone age attitude from many in society..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just higlighting that gay men do things that are typically thins that manly men do.

Or possibly trying to get gay men into football, seeing as they are often targeted for money in the entertainment industry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The goal celebrations go on far too long .

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Just higlighting that gay men do things that are typically thins that manly men do.

Or possibly trying to get gay men into football, seeing as they are often targeted for money in the entertainment industry."

But by highlighting it they're making a big thing of his sexuality and I thought todays society were past that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just higlighting that gay men do things that are typically thins that manly men do.

Or possibly trying to get gay men into football, seeing as they are often targeted for money in the entertainment industry.

But by highlighting it they're making a big thing of his sexuality and I thought todays society were past that."

Football is definitely not past it. How many gay footballers can you name? I can't believe that aren't as many gay men in football as most other walks of life, just that the reaction if they came out might jeapordise their career.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Just higlighting that gay men do things that are typically thins that manly men do.

Or possibly trying to get gay men into football, seeing as they are often targeted for money in the entertainment industry.

But by highlighting it they're making a big thing of his sexuality and I thought todays society were past that.

I know you're probably right but that's very sad indeed. Off the top of my head I could probably name one but then again I probably wouldn't take much notice because to me a players sexuality is no more noteworthy than his hairstyle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently on This Morning they're have the Worlds Best Gay Footballer!! WTF has his sexuality got to do with his talent?

In a sport where homophobia is rife, it's important to show people that world class athletes can be gay.

Maybe one day - when the homophobia disappears - we won't need such celebrations.

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By *ackspopCouple
over a year ago

Wymondham

"I met Thomas Hitzlsperger recently. He's gay and he played for West Ham and Aston Villa. He said the hardest part about coming out was admitting he had played for West Ham. "

Badum-Tish! Here all week, thank you very much.

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By *ackspopCouple
over a year ago

Wymondham

"The goal celebrations go on far too long ."

I know. The time it takes some of them to put a condom on is ridiculous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's about time Robbie savage came out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

as long as they stick to playing football on the pitch and not with each others balls then I don't care what sexulatity they are..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I only know of one gay male footballer and one male rugby player. The ladies don't have a problem being gay do they

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just higlighting that gay men do things that are typically thins that manly men do.

Or possibly trying to get gay men into football, seeing as they are often targeted for money in the entertainment industry.

But by highlighting it they're making a big thing of his sexuality and I thought todays society were past that."

I see some people have already pointed out that society is not past homophobia. Yes they're making a big deal of sexuality overall, in particular gay males. I think it will also comfirm to homosexuals that it's ok to be homosexual, i know a lot of people are comfortable in their sexuality but some people aren't.

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By *aynek80Man
over a year ago

Wirral

I read somewhere there is 2 gay footballers playing professionally in England. So thats 92 clubs with squad size of day 20 on average. There must be more but are hiding it. I'm a fan yes and if a gay player played for my team or even against my team I wouldn't care. They are doing a job that they are good at.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Just higlighting that gay men do things that are typically thins that manly men do.

Or possibly trying to get gay men into football, seeing as they are often targeted for money in the entertainment industry.

But by highlighting it they're making a big thing of his sexuality and I thought todays society were past that.

And, tbh with you, nothing is ever done for the sake of humanity when it comes to mass profits, so i'm veering more towards they're trying to get homosexual men into football so they can profit off them."
but your last bit doesn't really make sense, most of the football touts look to take on lads about 13/14 for their youth teams and train them up. Not many lads no their sexuality at that age and even if they did what they going to say to them, you've got the talent but you have to be gay to play for our team so we have a token gay on the team. Most sports people train and join clubs from a much earlier age than knowing their sexuality

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently on This Morning they're have the Worlds Best Gay Footballer!! WTF has his sexuality got to do with his talent?

In a sport where homophobia is rife, it's important to show people that world class athletes can be gay.

Maybe one day - when the homophobia disappears - we won't need such celebrations."

I do think football is moving in the right direction though. In the 70's the terraces were an awful place. Racism was rife and there was trouble everywhere. With the various anti racist groups, including show racism the red card . English football is now the example being used as the way to deal with this. There aren't many sports were homosexuals are comfortable coming out. Can you name a gay cricketer or rugbyer ? I believe football is probably doing more than most sports. You will get ejected and possibly arrested for homophobic chanting. Football does take this thing very seriously. Fans often get a hard time in the press but I think no other sport has done more when tackling racism and I believe it will be the same when tackling homophobia. Football is our national sport, they are doing their utmost to promote a family friendly environment and they are doing a very good job.

If only they would drop the price of tickets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just higlighting that gay men do things that are typically thins that manly men do.

Or possibly trying to get gay men into football, seeing as they are often targeted for money in the entertainment industry.

But by highlighting it they're making a big thing of his sexuality and I thought todays society were past that.

And, tbh with you, nothing is ever done for the sake of humanity when it comes to mass profits, so i'm veering more towards they're trying to get homosexual men into football so they can profit off them.but your last bit doesn't really make sense, most of the football touts look to take on lads about 13/14 for their youth teams and train them up. Not many lads no their sexuality at that age and even if they did what they going to say to them, you've got the talent but you have to be gay to play for our team so we have a token gay on the team. Most sports people train and join clubs from a much earlier age than knowing their sexuality"

Exactly. Her other comment about gay men being targeted for money in the entertainment industry is also invalid due to the young age at which lads go into football

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just higlighting that gay men do things that are typically thins that manly men do.

Or possibly trying to get gay men into football, seeing as they are often targeted for money in the entertainment industry.

But by highlighting it they're making a big thing of his sexuality and I thought todays society were past that.

And, tbh with you, nothing is ever done for the sake of humanity when it comes to mass profits, so i'm veering more towards they're trying to get homosexual men into football so they can profit off them.but your last bit doesn't really make sense, most of the football touts look to take on lads about 13/14 for their youth teams and train them up. Not many lads no their sexuality at that age and even if they did what they going to say to them, you've got the talent but you have to be gay to play for our team so we have a token gay on the team. Most sports people train and join clubs from a much earlier age than knowing their sexuality"

That last bit i'm on about fans, getting more people into football, paying for it and buying stuff to do with being a supporter. I'm very skeptical about a lot of things but my view is whenever anyone brings humanitarian issues into something it is often to make themselves look better, if they're mass profiting i don't feel they can be humanitarian.

Lot of people know their sexuality at a young age these days or are confused about it, maybe when i was younger they knew too but we weren't so open about it?

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over a year ago

"Just higlighting that gay men do things that are typically thins that manly men do.

Or possibly trying to get gay men into football, seeing as they are often targeted for money in the entertainment industry.

But by highlighting it they're making a big thing of his sexuality and I thought todays society were past that.

And, tbh with you, nothing is ever done for the sake of humanity when it comes to mass profits, so i'm veering more towards they're trying to get homosexual men into football so they can profit off them.but your last bit doesn't really make sense, most of the football touts look to take on lads about 13/14 for their youth teams and train them up. Not many lads no their sexuality at that age and even if they did what they going to say to them, you've got the talent but you have to be gay to play for our team so we have a token gay on the team. Most sports people train and join clubs from a much earlier age than knowing their sexuality

Exactly. Her other comment about gay men being targeted for money in the entertainment industry is also invalid due to the young age at which lads go into football"

You're getting confused because i don't explain things very well, i have a lot of info in my head that i forget other people don't have.

Fans can be any age, being confused about sexuality can be at any age as well. I never mentioned children i don't think?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I met Thomas Hitzlsperger recently. He's gay and he played for West Ham and Aston Villa. He said the hardest part about coming out was admitting he had played for West Ham. "

OI!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read somewhere there is 2 gay footballers playing professionally in England. So thats 92 clubs with squad size of day 20 on average. There must be more but are hiding it. I'm a fan yes and if a gay player played for my team or even against my team I wouldn't care. They are doing a job that they are good at."

West Ham United have had to openly gay players play for them admittedly they didn't come out until they had retired. We knew of one other player that was gay, everyone knew he didn't really hide it. No one cared. We still chanted his name. He got a few wolf whistles when he bent over to pick the ball up. But he always had a smile on his face. A good player and he is fondly remembered.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just higlighting that gay men do things that are typically thins that manly men do.

Or possibly trying to get gay men into football, seeing as they are often targeted for money in the entertainment industry.

But by highlighting it they're making a big thing of his sexuality and I thought todays society were past that.

And, tbh with you, nothing is ever done for the sake of humanity when it comes to mass profits, so i'm veering more towards they're trying to get homosexual men into football so they can profit off them.but your last bit doesn't really make sense, most of the football touts look to take on lads about 13/14 for their youth teams and train them up. Not many lads no their sexuality at that age and even if they did what they going to say to them, you've got the talent but you have to be gay to play for our team so we have a token gay on the team. Most sports people train and join clubs from a much earlier age than knowing their sexuality

Lot of people know their sexuality at a young age these days or are confused about it, maybe when i was younger they knew too but we weren't so open about it?"

Are you suggesting gay people are put off supporting football?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This sort of thing annoys me, I couldn't give a hoot about someone's sexuality its only the media that makes such a big thing about it.

Maybe just maybe one day the media won't need to tell us someone's sexuality

Agree wholeheartedly!!

Think this is why swinging is still very much underground. I'd absolutely love it a few high profile stars came out and said 'Hey - this who I am and this is what I enjoy - swinging!'

Personally I'd love there to be attractive, accessible clubs in town centres - tired of driving to clubs off the beaten track!

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Just higlighting that gay men do things that are typically thins that manly men do.

Or possibly trying to get gay men into football, seeing as they are often targeted for money in the entertainment industry.

But by highlighting it they're making a big thing of his sexuality and I thought todays society were past that.

And, tbh with you, nothing is ever done for the sake of humanity when it comes to mass profits, so i'm veering more towards they're trying to get homosexual men into football so they can profit off them.but your last bit doesn't really make sense, most of the football touts look to take on lads about 13/14 for their youth teams and train them up. Not many lads no their sexuality at that age and even if they did what they going to say to them, you've got the talent but you have to be gay to play for our team so we have a token gay on the team. Most sports people train and join clubs from a much earlier age than knowing their sexuality

Lot of people know their sexuality at a young age these days or are confused about it, maybe when i was younger they knew too but we weren't so open about it?"
your the confused one, the thread is about the sportsman not the fans/ supporters

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You both brought the children thing into it, i was replying to that. My first comment mentioned men (as in adults), never really thought about the kids thing yet. My kids aren't into football, just adults i know are so football fans= adults to me, but yeah kids are into football as well.

I like confusing people though, means i think differently and i'm ok with that. I'm used to chatting with different people who think like me about this stuff really.

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over a year ago

"Just higlighting that gay men do things that are typically thins that manly men do.

Or possibly trying to get gay men into football, seeing as they are often targeted for money in the entertainment industry.

But by highlighting it they're making a big thing of his sexuality and I thought todays society were past that.

And, tbh with you, nothing is ever done for the sake of humanity when it comes to mass profits, so i'm veering more towards they're trying to get homosexual men into football so they can profit off them.but your last bit doesn't really make sense, most of the football touts look to take on lads about 13/14 for their youth teams and train them up. Not many lads no their sexuality at that age and even if they did what they going to say to them, you've got the talent but you have to be gay to play for our team so we have a token gay on the team. Most sports people train and join clubs from a much earlier age than knowing their sexuality

Lot of people know their sexuality at a young age these days or are confused about it, maybe when i was younger they knew too but we weren't so open about it?your the confused one, the thread is about the sportsman not the fans/ supporters"

It's asking why are they bring his sexuality into football. I'm focusing more on the actual question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You both brought the children thing into it, i was replying to that. My first comment mentioned men (as in adults), never really thought about the kids thing yet. My kids aren't into football, just adults i know are so football fans= adults to me, but yeah kids are into football as well.

I like confusing people though, means i think differently and i'm ok with that. I'm used to chatting with different people who think like me about this stuff really."

So are you talking about players or supporters?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I like confusing people though, means i think differently and i'm ok with that. I'm used to chatting with different people who think like me about this stuff really.

So are you talking about players or supporters?"
sounds more like back tracking than trying to confuse people, why would you purposely confuse people your in a debate with

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There aren't many sports were homosexuals are comfortable coming out. Can you name a gay cricketer or rugbyer ? "

Both also traditionally very "male dominated" and macho sports.

I know many gay water polo players. Some gay fencers, a couple of gay kayakers, gay horseriders, gay archers, gay runners, gay cyclists, gay triathletes...

Admittedly have lots of gay friends and I also know lots of people who do sports so there's quite a bit of crossover... but many other sports don't have so much of a hangup as "traditional" British sports.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love that name of yours

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like confusing people though, means i think differently and i'm ok with that. I'm used to chatting with different people who think like me about this stuff really.

So are you talking about players or supporters?"

Supporters, they are the ones spending money. I think it's reasonable to presume that money making companies might be trying to gain new supporters by appealing to different than usual sections of society.

I did also presume (and you could class younger people in this definitely, now it's been mentioned) they might be trying to make supporters feel better about themselves, there could be a liberal agenda as well as money involved.

So supporters. Yeah the footballer is openly being gay but there's other people involved in football that this could affect, not just the guys they are focusing on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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over a year ago

I like confusing people though, means i think differently and i'm ok with that. I'm used to chatting with different people who think like me about this stuff really.

So are you talking about players or supporters?sounds more like back tracking than trying to confuse people, why would you purposely confuse people your in a debate with

I'm not. You just don't think like me and that's ok. Just means i have to elaborate further when questioned.

"Just higlighting that gay MEN do things that are typically things that manly MEN do.

Or possibly trying to get gay MEN into football, seeing as they are often targeted for money in the entertainment industry."

To elaborate on that first sentence, gay men play football, they also support it and manly men are usually the stereotype.

Getting people into something, to get them to enjoy and follow football, support it. Not that many openly gay people in the entertainment industry but, i presumed wrongly, that people knew they are targeted as a fan base because they tend to have more money than the other groups of people in society (less likely to have kids is the main reason).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like confusing people though, means i think differently and i'm ok with that. I'm used to chatting with different people who think like me about this stuff really.

So are you talking about players or supporters?

So supporters. Yeah the footballer is openly being gay but there's other people involved in football that this could affect, not just the guys they are focusing on."

If you believe gay men are currently not following football and therefore spending money in the game simply because there is not a gay player on the park then I think your viewpoint is patronising and narrow minded.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like confusing people though, means i think differently and i'm ok with that. I'm used to chatting with different people who think like me about this stuff really.

So are you talking about players or supporters?

So supporters. Yeah the footballer is openly being gay but there's other people involved in football that this could affect, not just the guys they are focusing on.

They aren't typically represented. Blame the media, not me.

I didn't say they didn't have followers
"they might be trying to make supporters feel better about themselves"
but they are trying to appeal to them, to make them feel ok about stuff and make more money off them, and yeah gain even more supporters who wouldn't find manly sport appealing but might do if gay people are being promoted.

Your questions are good though, they're forcing me to express myself better (which i should have done in the first place).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also, can i just say don't take bits from someones arguments, look at the whole and you'll understand more.

Like i said some people might be confused about their sexuality or feel it's not ok but they're getting some support here as well. Might seem fucked up but i tend to like liberal agendas, they can be well intentioned, but when money's involved i'm always skeptical.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like confusing people though, means i think differently and i'm ok with that. I'm used to chatting with different people who think like me about this stuff really.

So are you talking about players or supporters?

So supporters. Yeah the footballer is openly being gay but there's other people involved in football that this could affect, not just the guys they are focusing on.

They aren't typically represented. Blame the media, not me.

I didn't say they didn't have followers they might be trying to make supporters feel better about themselves but they are trying to appeal to them, to make them feel ok about stuff and make more money off them, and yeah gain even more supporters who wouldn't find manly sport appealing but might do if gay people are being promoted.

Your questions are good though, they're forcing me to express myself better (which i should have done in the first place)."

You keep using the phrase 'manly sport' as if gay men are somehow different and not interested in playing a physical contact sport. Not all gay men fir the camp effeminate stereotype, I'd like to see you accuse Gareth Thomas, ex Welsh rugby captain, of being not manly.

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over a year ago

"I met Thomas Hitzlsperger recently. He's gay and he played for West Ham and Aston Villa. He said the hardest part about coming out was admitting he had played for West Ham. "

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over a year ago

"It's about time Robbie savage came out

I think you mean go away.

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By *ust MonicaWoman
over a year ago

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"The goal celebrations go on far too long ."

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