FabSwingers.com forum: David Starkey

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

On question time again...what a Nob!

Previously castigated on earlier appearances.. "Rape isn't rape if no violence"

"Wonder MPs are pointless" being amongst his previous nonsense....why is he back on?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Only the Beeb can answer that question. Odious man.

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

Probably invited back to up the ratings by antagonising the audience.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

he thrives on the response to his sensationalist ramblings..

Katie Hopkins ditto..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To highlight differences?

A current topic, free speech?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

To highlight differences?

A current topic, free speech?

Which comes with responsibilities.

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By *ike4362ukMan
over a year ago

Cheshunt

He's a cunt. I sometimes agree with some of his points, vehemently disagree with other points. But he is an arrogant arse who won't let anyone else speak.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He's a cunt. I sometimes agree with some of his points, vehemently disagree with other points. But he is an arrogant arse who won't let anyone else speak."

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"He's a cunt. I sometimes agree with some of his points, vehemently disagree with other points. But he is an arrogant arse who won't let anyone else speak."

He's just rude to people. What sort of adult responds with "just shut up"?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He's a cunt. I sometimes agree with some of his points, vehemently disagree with other points. But he is an arrogant arse who won't let anyone else speak."

You see, responsible free speech.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolute nob!

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

He is a man who I've lost all respect for since he started opening his mouth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He's a cunt. I sometimes agree with some of his points, vehemently disagree with other points. But he is an arrogant arse who won't let anyone else speak.

He's just rude to people. What sort of adult responds with "just shut up"?"

Wife?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"He's a cunt. I sometimes agree with some of his points, vehemently disagree with other points. But he is an arrogant arse who won't let anyone else speak.

He's just rude to people. What sort of adult responds with "just shut up"?

Wife?"

Are you married to Starkey?

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"On question time again...what a Nob!

Previously castigated on earlier appearances.. "Rape isn't rape if no violence"

"Wonder MPs are pointless" being amongst his previous nonsense....why is he back on?"

Actually, I quite like him. Breath of fresh air amongst the arguments in the shallow waters. He made it clear that the discussions and angst that is tormenting society is just a load of bollocks.

Common sense rules apply.

Nob, outspoken, call him what you like ... But what exactly did he say that was 100% wrong? We need people like him to provide an alternative point of view. The world would be a poorer place without people who asked difficult questions about society and about how we are where we are in a historical context.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Free speech does not come with Responsibility's.

The people who listen can exercise that.

David starky is just a very good historian with a point of view.

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By *eneral HysteriaMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

"On question time again...what a Nob!

Previously castigated on earlier appearances.. "Rape isn't rape if no violence"

"Wonder MPs are pointless" being amongst his previous nonsense....why is he back on?"

Because he's opinionated and not afraid to say his piece?

Because it would be dull if the panel were all as dull as dishwater?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Free speech does not come with Responsibility's.

The people who listen can exercise that.

David starky is just a very good historian with a point of view."

Of course it does. We have laws limiting what we can say, we can't slander, incite racial hatred etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Free speech does not come with Responsibility's.

The people who listen can exercise that.

David starky is just a very good historian with a point of view.

Of course it does. We have laws limiting what we can say, we can't slander, incite racial hatred etc."
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You can slander it's perfectly legal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He spoke his opinion .... Just as we are all having our own opinions on here ...... !!!!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I used to dislike him with a vengeance but have slightly become less chilly towards him with time. Completely disagree with some of his points but have liked occasional viewpoints. A bit lacking socially though

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

He does liven the place up and his historical knowledge is obviously excellent. He praised Islam from a few hundred years ago as being the centre of innovation and intellect. He has a problem with some of its forms today and he's not alone there.

When he is on the programme, and/or Peter Hitchens for that matter, you know it's going to be worth watching.

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By *ike4362ukMan
over a year ago

Cheshunt

"He's a cunt. I sometimes agree with some of his points, vehemently disagree with other points. But he is an arrogant arse who won't let anyone else speak.

He's just rude to people. What sort of adult responds with "just shut up"?

Wife?

Are you married to Starkey?

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By *ike4362ukMan
over a year ago

Cheshunt

The political program This Week was pretty damned lively this week too. The lady defending the orthodox Islamic viewpoint on views of the Mohammed complete with violent backlash was given short shrift by everyone. Quite entertaining viewing!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To highlight differences?

A current topic, free speech?

I used to like listening to david starkey on talk radio, found him to be very intelligent and interesting, agreed with him on quite a lot of things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On question time again...what a Nob!

Previously castigated on earlier appearances.. "Rape isn't rape if no violence"

"Wonder MPs are pointless" being amongst his previous nonsense....why is he back on?

Because he's opinionated and not afraid to say his piece?

Because it would be dull if the panel were all as dull as dishwater?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

it does raise the question of when does appropriate challenge cross the line to incitement? Just because you may disagree with someone's point of view should that person be silenced, or should that view be equally challenged and opposed within open debate?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He does liven the place up and his historical knowledge is obviously excellent. He praised Islam from a few hundred years ago as being the centre of innovation and intellect. He has a problem with some of its forms today and he's not alone there.

When he is on the programme, and/or Peter Hitchens for that matter, you know it's going to be worth watching. "

Another man I admire, peter hitchens.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When he is on the programme, and/or Peter Hitchens for that matter, you know it's going to be worth watching.

Another man I admire, peter hitchens."

Hilda admires people holding a similar right wing view to herself.

Who could have predicted that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is a very intelligent guy and plays devils advocate well to the point that he antagonises his fello panel to sometime blurting out things they dont want to. I just have a problem with his severe lack of manners.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

When he is on the programme, and/or Peter Hitchens for that matter, you know it's going to be worth watching.

Another man I admire, peter hitchens.

Hilda admires people holding a similar right wing view to herself.

Who could have predicted that?"

And you don't, and felt the need to criticise her on here for it.

Who could have predicted that?

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

If it wasn't for the likes of Starkey and Hitchens then dull as dishwater would aptly describe quite a bit of TV debate.

In fact, his brother, the late Christopher Hitchens, was a quite brilliant man.

His use and knowledge of the English language, his ability to think on his feet and his keen, insightful mind made him a joy to listen to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He's a cunt. I sometimes agree with some of his points, vehemently disagree with other points. But he is an arrogant arse who won't let anyone else speak.

He's just rude to people. What sort of adult responds with "just shut up"?"

Good for him, silly woman was getting a bit hysterical.

Wish there were more of his type around, level headed and has a mind of his own.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If it wasn't for the likes of Starkey and Hitchens then dull as dishwater would aptly describe quite a bit of TV debate.

In fact, his brother, the late Christopher Hitchens, was a quite brilliant man.

His use and knowledge of the English language, his ability to think on his feet and his keen, insightful mind made him a joy to listen to."

Would you agree George Galloway could also be described in similar fashion?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He should stick to what he's good at - playing the drums and Thomas The Tank.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He should stick to what he's good at - playing the drums and Thomas The Tank.

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By *jeeffMan
over a year ago

leeds

same old same old question time this week is far better sad man on a train had his dander up

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"Free speech does not come with Responsibility's.

The people who listen can exercise that.

David starky is just a very good historian with a point of view.

Of course it does. We have laws limiting what we can say, we can't slander, incite racial hatred etc."

I'm afraid you are wrong.

You can do all of those things, and worse... so long as you are willing to accept the consequences.

Free speech is just that... it has no boundaries whatsoever, although good taste, manners, public opinion, and finally the law may have something to say about it.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"If it wasn't for the likes of Starkey and Hitchens then dull as dishwater would aptly describe quite a bit of TV debate.

In fact, his brother, the late Christopher Hitchens, was a quite brilliant man.

His use and knowledge of the English language, his ability to think on his feet and his keen, insightful mind made him a joy to listen to.

Would you agree George Galloway could also be described in similar fashion?"

Absolutely. Don't often agree with him but Galloway makes it interesting.

Sadly, he's been very quiet over this Paris thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Free speech does not come with Responsibility's.

The people who listen can exercise that.

David starky is just a very good historian with a point of view.

Of course it does. We have laws limiting what we can say, we can't slander, incite racial hatred etc.

I'm afraid you are wrong.

You can do all of those things, and worse... so long as you are willing to accept the consequences.

Free speech is just that... it has no boundaries whatsoever, although good taste, manners, public opinion, and finally the law may have something to say about it."

That's a bit of a facile argument. That's like saying I am quite free to come up to Brecon and murder you but the law may have something to say about it.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

This free speech thing, let's establish that religion and race are not the same thing.

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

I think his TV series in the 70's with his partner "Hutch" was great

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If it wasn't for the likes of Starkey and Hitchens then dull as dishwater would aptly describe quite a bit of TV debate.

In fact, his brother, the late Christopher Hitchens, was a quite brilliant man.

His use and knowledge of the English language, his ability to think on his feet and his keen, insightful mind made him a joy to listen to.

Would you agree George Galloway could also be described in similar fashion?

Absolutely. Don't often agree with him but Galloway makes it interesting.

Sadly, he's been very quiet over this Paris thing."

Yes well he would be the guys an idiot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If it wasn't for the likes of Starkey and Hitchens then dull as dishwater would aptly describe quite a bit of TV debate.

In fact, his brother, the late Christopher Hitchens, was a quite brilliant man.

His use and knowledge of the English language, his ability to think on his feet and his keen, insightful mind made him a joy to listen to.

Would you agree George Galloway could also be described in similar fashion?

Absolutely. Don't often agree with him but Galloway makes it interesting.

Sadly, he's been very quiet over this Paris thing.

Yes well he would be the guys an idiot."

I don't always agree with what he says any more than I always agree with Starkey but one thing Galloway isn't is an idiot. He is a very fine debater and I rather enjoyed watching clips of him tying american senators in knots.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"If it wasn't for the likes of Starkey and Hitchens then dull as dishwater would aptly describe quite a bit of TV debate.

In fact, his brother, the late Christopher Hitchens, was a quite brilliant man.

His use and knowledge of the English language, his ability to think on his feet and his keen, insightful mind made him a joy to listen to.

Would you agree George Galloway could also be described in similar fashion?

Absolutely. Don't often agree with him but Galloway makes it interesting.

Sadly, he's been very quiet over this Paris thing.

Yes well he would be the guys an idiot."

Perhaps even he knows when to keep quite. But, as the MP for a constituency with a large Muslim population surely it would be to his political advantage to comment and distance moderate Islam from the terrorists? While at the same time saying that freedom of speech is non-negotiable?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"If it wasn't for the likes of Starkey and Hitchens then dull as dishwater would aptly describe quite a bit of TV debate.

In fact, his brother, the late Christopher Hitchens, was a quite brilliant man.

His use and knowledge of the English language, his ability to think on his feet and his keen, insightful mind made him a joy to listen to.

Would you agree George Galloway could also be described in similar fashion?

Absolutely. Don't often agree with him but Galloway makes it interesting.

Sadly, he's been very quiet over this Paris thing.

Yes well he would be the guys an idiot.

this..

have watched him speak live, he is an excellent debater albeit i don't agree with all of what he says..

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"Free speech does not come with Responsibility's.

The people who listen can exercise that.

David starky is just a very good historian with a point of view.

Of course it does. We have laws limiting what we can say, we can't slander, incite racial hatred etc.

I'm afraid you are wrong.

You can do all of those things, and worse... so long as you are willing to accept the consequences.

Free speech is just that... it has no boundaries whatsoever, although good taste, manners, public opinion, and finally the law may have something to say about it.

That's a bit of a facile argument. That's like saying I am quite free to come up to Brecon and murder you but the law may have something to say about it."

I don't think I've oversimplified things, what I've stated is true, and so is what you have said, however normal human morality tends to stop us doing certain things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If it wasn't for the likes of Starkey and Hitchens then dull as dishwater would aptly describe quite a bit of TV debate.

In fact, his brother, the late Christopher Hitchens, was a quite brilliant man.

His use and knowledge of the English language, his ability to think on his feet and his keen, insightful mind made him a joy to listen to."
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I think Christopher Hitchins is probably one of our greatest thinkers of a generation, certainly one of the greatest debaters. His brother is certainly no slacker,a razor keen wit and a quite brilliant military scholar, the funniest thing is they were such polar opposites in ideologies, Christopher described himself as a Marxist where as peter is slightly more to the right!.

Although the one thing you could guarantee of either was honesty.

Having followed Christopher for years you can see his influence chapter and verse in the who created the universe thread. He certainly won me over. And obviously plenty of others too.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Indeed. There is a huge quantity of footage on tube featuring him. Great to watch.

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