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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Did anyone see this last night?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Saw bits of it. Why?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I never knew how organised this stuff was, a whole network etc

As bad as some of it got the police seemed to inflame it at times imho

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Angry White and Proud sounds like an infected cock

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope, what was it about ? Should i iplayer it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

thought you had a zit

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Angry White and Proud sounds like an infected cock "

That would probably be more purple or green than white!

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

It was dire turned it off as they were just spouting utter tripe. I felt sorry that the bloke lost his son in afghan but that does not excuse his behaviour

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Nope, what was it about ? Should i iplayer it?"

It was a documentary about the far right groups in Britain, very inflamitory.

It was on ch4 at ten last night.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll avoid any programme of this nature.

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By *un_JuiceCouple
over a year ago

Nr Chester

Same as. Propaganda. Hate fuelled NLP

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By *onbons_xxMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Same as. Propaganda. Hate fuelled NLP"

Didn't and no desire to but I always thought NLP stood for Neuro Linguistic Programming. I'd probably have watched a programme on that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's inevitable that the far right will gain in popularity here and throughout Europe following recent events involving Islamic extremism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not sure what purpose the programme served other than to give a platform to a very nasty group of extremists. I hope MI5 was watching and keeps a close eye on those who claim to be leaders as their intentions of violence towards others were clear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Angry White and Proud sounds like an infected cock "

It's a club of infected cocks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Same as. Propaganda. Hate fuelled NLP

Didn't and no desire to but I always thought NLP stood for Neuro Linguistic Programming. I'd probably have watched a programme on that. "

I thought it meant Nitwits Lose Plot.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"Angry White and Proud sounds like an infected cock

It's a club of infected cocks. "

The collective noun is a 'seepage'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

didnt see it but no doubt it was made out to be worse than it actually is.

its pretty understandable with the state of this country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Before anyone jumps down my throat i do not condone extremei by any race creed or colour.

But i have to say this type of thing will only gain support to the detriment of everyone.

The barbaric acts carried out of late and with an apparent lack of direct action by governments cause frustration amongst certain groups of people, this frustration turns into anger and helplessness, certain individuals will seize this moment to fuel the anger and frustration and look to reap revenge themselves.

The sorry thing is they will only replicate what the muslim extremists do and that is to brain wash the young and impressionable who will be more than willing to retaliate in a similar fashion, start of a very slippery slope i fear .

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Before anyone jumps down my throat i do not condone extremei by any race creed or colour.

But i have to say this type of thing will only gain support to the detriment of everyone.

The barbaric acts carried out of late and with an apparent lack of direct action by governments cause frustration amongst certain groups of people, this frustration turns into anger and helplessness, certain individuals will seize this moment to fuel the anger and frustration and look to reap revenge themselves.

The sorry thing is they will only replicate what the muslim extremists do and that is to brain wash the young and impressionable who will be more than willing to retaliate in a similar fashion, start of a very slippery slope i fear ."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Angry White and Proud sounds like an infected cock

It's a club of infected cocks.

The collective noun is a 'seepage' "

Damn..yeah you're right!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Give love not war.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"didnt see it but no doubt it was made out to be worse than it actually is.

its pretty understandable with the state of this country. "

This country is in a far better state than others!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"didnt see it but no doubt it was made out to be worse than it actually is.

its pretty understandable with the state of this country.

This country is in a far better state than others!"

It is at the moment, heaven knows what the future holds. As Len Cohen sung; I have seen the future, it is murder

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"didnt see it but no doubt it was made out to be worse than it actually is.

its pretty understandable with the state of this country.

This country is in a far better state than others!

It is at the moment, heaven knows what the future holds. As Len Cohen sung; I have seen the future, it is murder "

Ah so sensationalist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Give love not war."

Give head not hatred.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"Give love not war.

Give head not hatred.

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Don't sock him one, suck him one

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


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Ah so sensationalist. "

Things will escalate, that's a certainty.

Was it sensationalist when lee rigsbys' head was cut off? Or the attack on London years ago, or the beheading of aid workers?

Sensationalist? I think not.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

The trouble is there were probably loads of people nodding their head in agreement with the tripe they were spouting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"didnt see it but no doubt it was made out to be worse than it actually is.

its pretty understandable with the state of this country. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Ah so sensationalist.

Things will escalate, that's a certainty.

Was it sensationalist when lee rigsbys' head was cut off? Or the attack on London years ago, or the beheading of aid workers?

Sensationalist? I think not.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Extremism of any kind isn't good. It's far better to see what you have in common with someone else than what separates you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It was dire turned it off as they were just spouting utter tripe. I felt sorry that the bloke lost his son in afghan but that does not excuse his behaviour "

I did wonder what bereavement counselling he may have received. In my opinion he was lost, a broken man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"didnt see it but no doubt it was made out to be worse than it actually is.

its pretty understandable with the state of this country.

This country is in a far better state than others!

It is at the moment, heaven knows what the future holds. As Len Cohen sung; I have seen the future, it is murder "

What are you visualising?

Murder, death on the scale of Iraq or Afghanistan or a bit of public disorder mixed in with some rare attacks by the odd right winger?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not sure what purpose the programme served other than to give a platform to a very nasty group of extremists. I hope MI5 was watching and keeps a close eye on those who claim to be leaders as their intentions of violence towards others were clear."

I could not identify or associate with these people, I suspect that they have lived a life of voilence and hatred.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Extremism of any kind isn't good. It's far better to see what you have in common with someone else than what separates you. "

I agree Tina but that takes a level of intelligence, this group displayed none.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Extremism of any kind isn't good. It's far better to see what you have in common with someone else than what separates you.

I agree Tina but that takes a level of intelligence, this group displayed none.

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Maybe, but intelligent enough to see whats realy going on and not being in denial.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally,I am not racist,but,i'm fast becoming one,I hate poles because of a place I worked that was around 95% polish and I found them bullying and arrogant,as for indians/pakistanies,if their alright with me,i'm alright with them,but,it does annoy me that if they do not get their way the racist card comes out,should be a white version

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Extremism of any kind isn't good. It's far better to see what you have in common with someone else than what separates you.

I agree Tina but that takes a level of intelligence, this group displayed none.

Maybe, but intelligent enough to see whats realy going on and not being in denial."

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


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Ah so sensationalist.

Things will escalate, that's a certainty.

Was it sensationalist when lee rigsbys' head was cut off? Or the attack on London years ago, or the beheading of aid workers?

Sensationalist? I think not.

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A future of Anders Breivik types and Abebolajo/Adebowale types is still the minority. We only make it a norm if we start to emulate killers and perpetuate hatred.

Supporting Charlie Hebdo at the same time as cracking down on other's freedom of expression sends a message that only certain hate is acceptable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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I agree Tina but that takes a level of intelligence, this group displayed none.

Maybe, but intelligent enough to see whats realy going on and not being in denial."

It is important that these groups are not just dismissed as having no intelligence and not 'respected', that just feeds further into their ideology.

Their view must be tirelessly questioned, challenged and debated with reason and logic.

Their tactics of sensationalism, exaggeration and actual lies should be dissected wherever possible and exposed in order to reveal their core motivator fear and hatred.

The biggest enemy of extremism is education, but only if that education isn't from other extremists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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I agree Tina but that takes a level of intelligence, this group displayed none.

Maybe, but intelligent enough to see whats realy going on and not being in denial.

It is important that these groups are not just dismissed as having no intelligence and not 'respected', that just feeds further into their ideology.

Their view must be tirelessly questioned, challenged and debated with reason and logic.

Their tactics of sensationalism, exaggeration and actual lies should be dissected wherever possible and exposed in order to reveal their core motivator fear and hatred.

The biggest enemy of extremism is education, but only if that education isn't from other extremists.

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Perfectly put

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over a year ago


"Extremism of any kind isn't good. It's far better to see what you have in common with someone else than what separates you. "

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Did anyone see this last night?

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Yeah I watched it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Extremism of any kind isn't good. It's far better to see what you have in common with someone else than what separates you. "

thats great when both sides just want to wipe each other out

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"The trouble is there were probably loads of people nodding their head in agreement with the tripe they were spouting. "

Nuh, I dont think for one second my Grandkids will be Muslim.

I also think regardless of what the 'White Proud' people were telling us, they are racist.

I thought both sides were as bad as each other, get back to the football you bunch of mongs, infact no, go and do something else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can someone explain in laymans terms what exactly the extremist Muslims want to achieve in Britain. Some things I've read say that they want everyone in Britain to convert to Islam and live like they do, same rules same laws and stuff. That's not true is it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Extremism of any kind isn't good. It's far better to see what you have in common with someone else than what separates you.

thats great when both sides just want to wipe each other out"

yes a minority of the human race,they are a disease that needs to be cured,most people on this plannet just wanna live n let live.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


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The barbaric acts carried out of late and with an apparent lack of direct action by governments cause frustration amongst certain groups of people, this frustration turns into anger and helplessness, certain individuals will seize this moment to fuel the anger and frustration and look to reap revenge themselves.

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Ok so what should of the French Government had done that that hadnt.

80,000 troops not enough on the streets of France, they killed all the gunmen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Extremism of any kind isn't good. It's far better to see what you have in common with someone else than what separates you.

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The irony was that the 2 main protagonists were both the children of immigrants!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can someone explain in laymans terms what exactly the extremist Muslims want to achieve in Britain. Some things I've read say that they want everyone in Britain to convert to Islam and live like they do, same rules same laws and stuff. That's not true is it?"

thats pretty much spot on,

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Can someone explain in laymans terms what exactly the extremist Muslims want to achieve in Britain. Some things I've read say that they want everyone in Britain to convert to Islam and live like they do, same rules same laws and stuff. That's not true is it?"

Some want 'Shariah' law. Thats what they have in Muslim countires, these Muslims on TV last night also claimed they want to change the UK into a Muslim country. They didnt say that word for word but were shouting about how 'our grandkids will be muslim etc'.

They were being shouted at by the White and Proud lot. They were doing the ol throat slit gesture, and 'see you over there Id fucking batter you' bollocks.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Extremism of any kind isn't good. It's far better to see what you have in common with someone else than what separates you.

The irony was that the 2 main protagonists were both the children of immigrants! "

Who's argument was to that 'I was born in this country mate and lived here all my life'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Extremism of any kind isn't good. It's far better to see what you have in common with someone else than what separates you.

The irony was that the 2 main protagonists were both the children of immigrants!

Who's argument was to that 'I was born in this country mate and lived here all my life'."

Without accepting for one moment that the people he finds so repulsive were in fact exactly the same as him, merely a different colour and religion. But he wasn't racist....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To me, they bear no reflection on white people in the same way that 'Islamic' terrorists bear no reflection on muslims. In fact in an ideal world we'd ship both sets of thick pillocks to an island and let them kill each other!

Bit harsh?

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Extremism of any kind isn't good. It's far better to see what you have in common with someone else than what separates you.

The irony was that the 2 main protagonists were both the children of immigrants!

Who's argument was to that 'I was born in this country mate and lived here all my life'.

Without accepting for one moment that the people he finds so repulsive were in fact exactly the same as him, merely a different colour and religion. But he wasn't racist.... "

I dont think putting that programme on our TV has done anyone any favours. Everyone is probably embarressed by our idiots. (I am with my spelling). Everyone as in both sides of the arguement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To me, they bear no reflection on white people in the same way that 'Islamic' terrorists bear no reflection on muslims. In fact in an ideal world we'd ship both sets of thick pillocks to an island and let them kill each other!

Bit harsh? "

And to link it with another thread, maybe film it for a reality programme on C5? I can see it now, Race Wars, who survives? They decide!

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By *olwaySonarMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

Never saw it, any public be-headings of innocent people?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok so if they don't like the laws of the UK and if they don't like the way we live then why don't they live in countries where they already have these laws in place? Is it because we have troops in those countries and that's why they're also wanting all our troops to leave.

I think it's a fair deal if Britain took all the troops from the countries that these extremists want to live in and then all the extremists can go there and live happily.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To me, they bear no reflection on white people in the same way that 'Islamic' terrorists bear no reflection on muslims. In fact in an ideal world we'd ship both sets of thick pillocks to an island and let them kill each other!

Bit harsh?

And to link it with another thread, maybe film it for a reality programme on C5? I can see it now, Race Wars, who survives? They decide! "

I love this idea...we may have hit on something here...get your lawyer to call my lawyer

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"Can someone explain in laymans terms what exactly the extremist Muslims want to achieve in Britain. Some things I've read say that they want everyone in Britain to convert to Islam and live like they do, same rules same laws and stuff. That's not true is it?"

It is true...but they are of course deluded extremists. There are just as many extremists from any religion you can think of, including Christianity, who want to change society to reflect their particular extreme religious beliefs.

What the racists choose to ignore, for the purposes of feeling racial hatred, is that there is no possibility that Muslim extremists will have any more success in converting our society to their extreme religious beliefs than any of the others.

So when they say 'Look what's happening to this country', and variations thereof, is really just a code for some very unpleasant views.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To me, they bear no reflection on white people in the same way that 'Islamic' terrorists bear no reflection on muslims. In fact in an ideal world we'd ship both sets of thick pillocks to an island and let them kill each other!

Bit harsh?

And to link it with another thread, maybe film it for a reality programme on C5? I can see it now, Race Wars, who survives? They decide!

I love this idea...we may have hit on something here...get your lawyer to call my lawyer "

I will get onto C5 now, I know a man who knows a man. Problem is it might be a bit high brow for them??

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

They must see themselves as some vigilante police force.

They all waded into Rotherham, they think they know the law saying how they can walk here and walk there, there excuse was to remind the people of Rotherham how they havent been forgotten and they want everyone involved in the pedo ring brought to justice.

Screaming in an officers face how 'he was to partly blame' isnt going to help them.

They seemed to get a right boner from the pensioners of Rotherham clapping them as they marched on by, they were just grateful you didnt start smashing things up I imagine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Extremism of any kind isn't good. It's far better to see what you have in common with someone else than what separates you.

I agree Tina but that takes a level of intelligence, this group displayed none.

Maybe, but intelligent enough to see whats realy going on and not being in denial."

I am not denying what is going on, these extemists need stopping.

Ive seen the way the 'them against us' message is being taught, bringing onto doubt the whole concept of moderates (Panorama 12 Jan) which is why Theresa May is calling for new laws.

It also wasn't lost on me that if there had been no police presence during these marches carnage would have soon ensued.

These people want race wars on our streets now, I do not.

This civil unrest, left unchecked, will happen - its inevitable.

Do you think that now is the right time ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Extremism of any kind isn't good. It's far better to see what you have in common with someone else than what separates you.

The irony was that the 2 main protagonists were both the children of immigrants!

Who's argument was to that 'I was born in this country mate and lived here all my life'.

Without accepting for one moment that the people he finds so repulsive were in fact exactly the same as him, merely a different colour and religion. But he wasn't racist....

I dont think putting that programme on our TV has done anyone any favours. Everyone is probably embarressed by our idiots. (I am with my spelling). Everyone as in both sides of the arguement."

It was good, nice to see some REAL men for a change.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I agree both sides were as bad as each other.

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By *ery curious maleMan
over a year ago

Bishop Auckland

Basically a load of balding middle aged former football hooligans still wanting to turn their anger at life on other people.

There was no talk of politics just a hatred of Muslims.

Strange subject for a swinging site though !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Same as. Propaganda. Hate fuelled NLP

Didn't and no desire to but I always thought NLP stood for Neuro Linguistic Programming. I'd probably have watched a programme on that. "

just reading about that and have been trying some of the techniques out on the ladies in work..not having much success at the moment though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Basically a load of balding middle aged former football hooligans still wanting to turn their anger at life on other people.

There was no talk of politics just a hatred of Muslims.

Strange subject for a swinging site though !

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You say balding middle aged like its a bad thing.

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By *imon_hydeMan
over a year ago

Stockport

Middle aged ex football hooligans inarticulately expressing bigoted views.

Yep, good telly awful people.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


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I agree Tina but that takes a level of intelligence, this group displayed none.

Maybe, but intelligent enough to see whats realy going on and not being in denial.

It is important that these groups are not just dismissed as having no intelligence and not 'respected', that just feeds further into their ideology.

Their view must be tirelessly questioned, challenged and debated with reason and logic.

Their tactics of sensationalism, exaggeration and actual lies should be dissected wherever possible and exposed in order to reveal their core motivator fear and hatred.

The biggest enemy of extremism is education, but only if that education isn't from other extremists.

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Absolutely, but you could say this sentiment should extend to radical Islam too. Your phrases: tirelessly questioned, challenged, debated with reason and logic are just what radical does not want and will seemingly kill to oppose.

The current reaction to the new cover of Charlie Hebdo cover is somewhat telling as was BBC Radio 4 yesterday. Yesterday a British Muslim shopkeeper said that while he didn't support the murder of the journalists he did not mourn their deaths either. Further to this he said that deep down most Muslims would also agree with him!

I hope he's wrong, I suspect he isn't entirely.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Angry White and Proud sounds like an infected cock "

Sounds about right.

Or as a famous poet once wrote " They look like a bunch of pricks with ears, or is it ears without pricks ?"

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London


"I agree both sides were as bad as each other. "

Pity these "sides" don't see the bigger picture. Unity makes us stronger. So busy fighting meaningless battles while the real issues affecting this country go unchallenged.

Guess they blame each other for that too.

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By *ery curious maleMan
over a year ago

Bishop Auckland


"Basically a load of balding middle aged former football hooligans still wanting to turn their anger at life on other people.

There was no talk of politics just a hatred of Muslims.

Strange subject for a swinging site though !

You say balding middle aged like its a bad thing."

As a balding middle aged man myself it wasn't meant as a criticism more a statement of fact !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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I agree Tina but that takes a level of intelligence, this group displayed none.

Maybe, but intelligent enough to see whats realy going on and not being in denial.

It is important that these groups are not just dismissed as having no intelligence and not 'respected', that just feeds further into their ideology.

Their view must be tirelessly questioned, challenged and debated with reason and logic.

Their tactics of sensationalism, exaggeration and actual lies should be dissected wherever possible and exposed in order to reveal their core motivator fear and hatred.

The biggest enemy of extremism is education, but only if that education isn't from other extremists.

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By *aynek80Man
over a year ago

Wirral

I watched it and agree with some things they said but not others. If seem on occasions the police wanted to cause trouble first. But the lads didn't help themselves in others!

It's not something I would do.

Was interesting but that was it in my view.

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By *essysteveCouple
over a year ago

ALICANTE AREA SPAIN

I am like you, I have many black friends, I work with Jewish people and I generally get along fine with them ......... but then I get a bollocking for using the term Paki (in a friendly way)yet no offence was taken - yet I see all the time Brits this ... Brits that .... Aussies this ... Aussies that ......... Yanks this ..... Yanks that..

Paki in my opinion is no more racist that Brit or Aussie - it is simply a shortening of the country of origin.

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over a year ago


"I am like you, I have many black friends, I work with Jewish people and I generally get along fine with them ......... but then I get a bollocking for using the term Paki (in a friendly way)yet no offence was taken - yet I see all the time Brits this ... Brits that .... Aussies this ... Aussies that ......... Yanks this ..... Yanks that..

Paki in my opinion is no more racist that Brit or Aussie - it is simply a shortening of the country of origin. "

Haven't you left the house since the 70's ?

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"I am like you, I have many black friends, I work with Jewish people and I generally get along fine with them ......... but then I get a bollocking for using the term Paki (in a friendly way)yet no offence was taken - yet I see all the time Brits this ... Brits that .... Aussies this ... Aussies that ......... Yanks this ..... Yanks that..

Paki in my opinion is no more racist that Brit or Aussie - it is simply a shortening of the country of origin.

Haven't you left the house since the 70's ?

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He does have a point, in a way. And yours is?

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By *imon_hydeMan
over a year ago

Stockport


"I am like you, I have many black friends, I work with Jewish people and I generally get along fine with them ......... but then I get a bollocking for using the term Paki (in a friendly way)yet no offence was taken - yet I see all the time Brits this ... Brits that .... Aussies this ... Aussies that ......... Yanks this ..... Yanks that..

Paki in my opinion is no more racist that Brit or Aussie - it is simply a shortening of the country of origin.

Haven't you left the house since the 70's ?

He does have a point, in a way. And yours is?"

Its casual racism, common in the 70s but offensive these days. Not surprised about the bollocking its a sackable offence

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By *ogistical NightmaresCouple
over a year ago

Manchester Area


"Personally,I am not racist,but,i'm fast becoming one,I hate poles because of a place I worked that was around 95% polish and I found them bullying and arrogant,as for indians/pakistanies,if their alright with me,i'm alright with them,but,it does annoy me that if they do not get their way the racist card comes out,should be a white version"

Fast becoming one???? personally I think you are already there sunshine.

Having worked all over the world for the past 30+ years I would be hard pushed to find a country where the inhabitants dont show anger/beef about/have an axe to grind against immigrants (both legal and the other kind), "gastarbeiten" (to use the German phrase) or even the country`s own indiginous race.

There is good and bad in every race, creed and colour.... its just the good doesn`t make for car crash television or sensationalist journalism, which is where everyone likes to jump on the bandwagon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am like you, I have many black friends, I work with Jewish people and I generally get along fine with them ......... but then I get a bollocking for using the term Paki (in a friendly way)yet no offence was taken - yet I see all the time Brits this ... Brits that .... Aussies this ... Aussies that ......... Yanks this ..... Yanks that..

Paki in my opinion is no more racist that Brit or Aussie - it is simply a shortening of the country of origin.

Haven't you left the house since the 70's ?

He does have a point, in a way. And yours is?"

Different terms have different connotations. The terms Brit, Aussies and Yanks have no derogatory connotations, the term Paki does. Feel free to use it but don't be surprised if you are criticised for doing so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am like you, I have many black friends, I work with Jewish people and I generally get along fine with them ......... but then I get a bollocking for using the term Paki (in a friendly way)yet no offence was taken - yet I see all the time Brits this ... Brits that .... Aussies this ... Aussies that ......... Yanks this ..... Yanks that..

Paki in my opinion is no more racist that Brit or Aussie - it is simply a shortening of the country of origin.

Haven't you left the house since the 70's ?

He does have a point, in a way. And yours is?"

My point is it has been many years since the term paki was deemed acceptable and you would have to have had a sheltered life not to have known this. Paki is not a friendly term and it is never used in a friendly way. It was used as a derogatory form of abuse aimed at anyone from that region regardless of whether they were Pakistani or not.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts


"

Paki in my opinion is no more racist that Brit or Aussie - it is simply a shortening of the country of origin. "

I totally disagree. It has been used as a derogatory term for yonks, whereas Brit and Aussie hasn't. I'd quite happily say to someone from Canberra, nice to meet an Aussie, thanks for fighting with us in the world wars. However, I'd not say to someone from Karachi nice to meet a P thanks for fighting with us in the world wars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am like you, I have many black friends, I work with Jewish people and I generally get along fine with them ......... but then I get a bollocking for using the term Paki (in a friendly way)yet no offence was taken - yet I see all the time Brits this ... Brits that .... Aussies this ... Aussies that ......... Yanks this ..... Yanks that..

Paki in my opinion is no more racist that Brit or Aussie - it is simply a shortening of the country of origin.

Haven't you left the house since the 70's ?

He does have a point, in a way. And yours is?

My point is it has been many years since the term paki was deemed acceptable and you would have to have had a sheltered life not to have known this. Paki is not a friendly term and it is never used in a friendly way. It was used as a derogatory form of abuse aimed at anyone from that region regardless of whether they were Pakistani or not. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting to see that in this whole thread nobody has mentioned the immediate danger to this country. The wankers that follow and support UKIP!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting to see that in this whole thread nobody has mentioned the immediate danger to this country. The wankers that follow and support UKIP!"

Nah...they'll dissipate like a fart in the wind.

(I hope)

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Im off to shag some sheep

Kindest Regards

Taff

(not offended)

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over a year ago


"Interesting to see that in this whole thread nobody has mentioned the immediate danger to this country. The wankers that follow and support UKIP!

Nah...they'll dissipate like a fart in the wind.

(I hope)"

Unfortunately I think they're going to do a lot of damage first

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Before anyone jumps down my throat i do not condone extremei by any race creed or colour.

But i have to say this type of thing will only gain support to the detriment of everyone.

The barbaric acts carried out of late and with an apparent lack of direct action by governments cause frustration amongst certain groups of people, this frustration turns into anger and helplessness, certain individuals will seize this moment to fuel the anger and frustration and look to reap revenge themselves.

The sorry thing is they will only replicate what the muslim extremists do and that is to brain wash the young and impressionable who will be more than willing to retaliate in a similar fashion, start of a very slippery slope i fear ."
this place is in a far better place then the ones that get bombed the fuck out of by the west , violence begets violence hatred begets hatred . Nobody looks in the mirror and see's themselves as the boogie man,nations and countries are the same .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Paki in my opinion is no more racist that Brit or Aussie - it is simply a shortening of the country of origin.

I totally disagree. It has been used as a derogatory term for yonks, whereas Brit and Aussie hasn't. I'd quite happily say to someone from Canberra, nice to meet an Aussie, thanks for fighting with us in the world wars. However, I'd not say to someone from Karachi nice to meet a P thanks for fighting with us in the world wars.

Pakistani's didn't fight with us in the World Wars, they didn't gain independence until 1947 and were part of India until then, sorry for being so pedantic, I truly hate myself for it.... x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find that the people who follow these groups have an IQ directly proportional to the amount of hair on their heads....

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex


"Give love not war.

Give head not hatred.

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex


"Before anyone jumps down my throat i do not condone extremei by any race creed or colour.

But i have to say this type of thing will only gain support to the detriment of everyone.

The barbaric acts carried out of late and with an apparent lack of direct action by governments cause frustration amongst certain groups of people, this frustration turns into anger and helplessness, certain individuals will seize this moment to fuel the anger and frustration and look to reap revenge themselves.

The sorry thing is they will only replicate what the muslim extremists do and that is to brain wash the young and impressionable who will be more than willing to retaliate in a similar fashion, start of a very slippery slope i fear .this place is in a far better place then the ones that get bombed the fuck out of by the west , violence begets violence hatred begets hatred . Nobody looks in the mirror and see's themselves as the boogie man,nations and countries are the same . "

Very true words, since we "freed" Iraq citizens over a quarter of a million have died compared to the 15,000 under Saddams rule, no water,electric and the country in tatters...we did them people proud or they are meant to think so.

Until Bush and Blair went on their holy crusades the world was a better place, now its religious wars that won't end, who are the real terrorists at the end of the day..

As for this programme about white surpremists...don't think anyone would piss on them if they were on fire.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"

I agree Tina but that takes a level of intelligence, this group displayed none.

Maybe, but intelligent enough to see whats realy going on and not being in denial.

It is important that these groups are not just dismissed as having no intelligence and not 'respected', that just feeds further into their ideology.

Their view must be tirelessly questioned, challenged and debated with reason and logic.

Their tactics of sensationalism, exaggeration and actual lies should be dissected wherever possible and exposed in order to reveal their core motivator fear and hatred.

The biggest enemy of extremism is education, but only if that education isn't from other extremists.

"

this..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I am like you, I have many black friends, I work with Jewish people and I generally get along fine with them ......... but then I get a bollocking for using the term Paki (in a friendly way)yet no offence was taken - yet I see all the time Brits this ... Brits that .... Aussies this ... Aussies that ......... Yanks this ..... Yanks that..

Paki in my opinion is no more racist that Brit or Aussie - it is simply a shortening of the country of origin. "

its offensive..

a child knows that..

pretending its a shortening of the country of origin is a cop out..

well done for working with Jewish people btw, so cosmopolitan..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn't watch it, as I would have found it frustrating. It's not a new thing though is it, luckily it's a minority. We need to live by the saying - together we rise, divided we fall.

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By *essiCouple
over a year ago

suffolk

Before to long it'll be an offense to look at anyone the 'wrong ' way let alone speak to them....

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Can someone explain in laymans terms what exactly the extremist Muslims want to achieve in Britain. Some things I've read say that they want everyone in Britain to convert to Islam and live like they do, same rules same laws and stuff. That's not true is it?

It is true...but they are of course deluded extremists. There are just as many extremists from any religion you can think of, including Christianity, who want to change society to reflect their particular extreme religious beliefs.

What the racists choose to ignore, for the purposes of feeling racial hatred, is that there is no possibility that Muslim extremists will have any more success in converting our society to their extreme religious beliefs than any of the others.

So when they say 'Look what's happening to this country', and variations thereof, is really just a code for some very unpleasant views."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Paki in my opinion is no more racist that Brit or Aussie - it is simply a shortening of the country of origin.

"

If from the responses to this post you've now learned why the term you choose to use is offensive then this thread has been worth it.

If you choose to continue using that term then that is simply your choice. You won't however be able to hide behind ignorance as an excuse for not knowing why you would cause offence.

My point is this, now you have been educated you can choose to be malicious or not. If you choose the former then accept the label of hater or racist.

If you choose the latter, help to educate others in order to give them the same choice.

It changes one step at a time.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

This topic has come up in the pub, the question was asked why weren't the police arresting any Muslim protesters ? Only the whites were arrested.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This topic has come up in the pub, the question was asked why weren't the police arresting any Muslim protesters ? Only the whites were arrested."

Are your mates in the pub privy to the arrest sheets ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This topic has come up in the pub, the question was asked why weren't the police arresting any Muslim protesters ? Only the whites were arrested."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This topic has come up in the pub, the question was asked why weren't the police arresting any Muslim protesters ? Only the whites were arrested."

I recall seeing only 3 people arrested, 2 far right activists and left wing protestor who threw a drink at someone and no one was charged. The camera crew was only following the far right group so how do you know who was and wasn't arrested? I would hope our police force would arrest anyone breaking law irrespective of race, creed or colour.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"This topic has come up in the pub, the question was asked why weren't the police arresting any Muslim protesters ? Only the whites were arrested.

I recall seeing only 3 people arrested, 2 far right activists and left wing protestor who threw a drink at someone and no one was charged. The camera crew was only following the far right group so how do you know who was and wasn't arrested? I would hope our police force would arrest anyone breaking law irrespective of race, creed or colour."

The far righters wanted the Muslims arrested for doing the throat slit thing claiming 'he just made a death threat against me'. Gladly the police let the two lots get on with the shouting

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"This topic has come up in the pub, the question was asked why weren't the police arresting any Muslim protesters ? Only the whites were arrested."

Was your mate in the pub at the protest?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I agree Tina but that takes a level of intelligence, this group displayed none.

Maybe, but intelligent enough to see whats realy going on and not being in denial.

It is important that these groups are not just dismissed as having no intelligence and not 'respected', that just feeds further into their ideology.

Their view must be tirelessly questioned, challenged and debated with reason and logic.

Their tactics of sensationalism, exaggeration and actual lies should be dissected wherever possible and exposed in order to reveal their core motivator fear and hatred.

The biggest enemy of extremism is education, but only if that education isn't from other extremists.

"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This topic has come up in the pub, the question was asked why weren't the police arresting any Muslim protesters ? Only the whites were arrested."

Op.

I see you've chosen not to answer my earlier question. Why is that?

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over a year ago


"

What are you visualising?

Murder, death on the scale of Iraq or Afghanistan or a bit of public disorder mixed in with some rare attacks by the odd right winger?"

What I see and this is my own opinion is that to try and control the terrorist problem with any committed force will result in civil war. Not my choice but I do believe it will happen.

Extremists,even sat around a table with this countries most senior leaders no resolve would be found.....hence the murder you so hastily ridiculed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This topic has come up in the pub, the question was asked why weren't the police arresting any Muslim protesters ? Only the whites were arrested."
I honestly believe they daren't as Thier were a lot more of them and Thier would have been a full scale riot !

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts


"

What are you visualising?

Murder, death on the scale of Iraq or Afghanistan or a bit of public disorder mixed in with some rare attacks by the odd right winger?

What I see and this is my own opinion is that to try and control the terrorist problem with any committed force will result in civil war. Not my choice but I do believe it will happen.

Extremists,even sat around a table with this countries most senior leaders no resolve would be found.....hence the murder you so hastily ridiculed "

You seem to have forgotten other ways of resolving differences, ie, education

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This topic has come up in the pub, the question was asked why weren't the police arresting any Muslim protesters ? Only the whites were arrested. I honestly believe they daren't as Thier were a lot more of them and Thier would have been a full scale riot !"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

What are you visualising?

Murder, death on the scale of Iraq or Afghanistan or a bit of public disorder mixed in with some rare attacks by the odd right winger?

What I see and this is my own opinion is that to try and control the terrorist problem with any committed force will result in civil war. Not my choice but I do believe it will happen.

Extremists,even sat around a table with this countries most senior leaders no resolve would be found.....hence the murder you so hastily ridiculed "

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By *onbons_xxMan
over a year ago

Bolton

My, this progressed during the day's play.

Think I might go hide under some pillows for a bit...

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over a year ago


"This topic has come up in the pub, the question was asked why weren't the police arresting any Muslim protesters ? Only the whites were arrested. I honestly believe they daren't as Thier were a lot more of them and Thier would have been a full scale riot !

"

Just out of interest Margot (or Hilda!), but would you consider yourself to be racist?

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By *eforfuncplCouple
over a year ago

Morecambe


"Same as. Propaganda. Hate fuelled NLP

Didn't and no desire to but I always thought NLP stood for Neuro Linguistic Programming. I'd probably have watched a programme on that.

I thought it meant Nitwits Lose Plot.

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No longer pregnant x

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over a year ago


"This topic has come up in the pub, the question was asked why weren't the police arresting any Muslim protesters ? Only the whites were arrested. I honestly believe they daren't as Thier were a lot more of them and Thier would have been a full scale riot !

Just out of interest Margot (or Hilda!), but would you consider yourself to be racist?"

Why not aim the question at the original poster.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

Op.

I see you've chosen not to answer my earlier question. Why is that?"

Answered...read above (a albeit a few posts)

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over a year ago


"This topic has come up in the pub, the question was asked why weren't the police arresting any Muslim protesters ? Only the whites were arrested. I honestly believe they daren't as Thier were a lot more of them and Thier would have been a full scale riot !

Just out of interest Margot (or Hilda!), but would you consider yourself to be racist?"

Just out of interest, did you know you can change your name 3 times a year on fab swingers. Good isn't it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

Why not aim the question at the original poster. "

I'll answer it before it's asked;

If objecting to the beheading of lee rigsby and aid workers, plus other atrocities is considered racist then id say yes.

If this offends you then tough titty, I'm an easy going guy, not supporting the titled show but since you asked the question you have your answer.

It doesn't bother me what creed, colour, tint or hue that you are, I don't think its acceptable to make excuses for the atrocities that have taken place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You cannot tar every Muslim with the same brush as these vile people, not every Muslim is like this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I found the guys to be crazy And thick as muck...lol do they not know st George is Syrian in origin?

Same as the nazis taking about aryan roots, Aryan is North Indian / Asian in origin!

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By *i_garyMan
over a year ago

glasgow

From the short bit I seen before turning it off they just looked like sad old football hooligans and thugs.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"

Why not aim the question at the original poster.

I'll answer it before it's asked;

If objecting to the beheading of lee rigsby and aid workers, plus other atrocities is considered racist then id say yes.

"

Of course that isn't racist.

What is racist, though, is claiming that all Muslims are terrorists or murderers when the vast majority just want to live normal lives like everyone else.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

Why not aim the question at the original poster.

I'll answer it before it's asked;

If objecting to the beheading of lee rigsby and aid workers, plus other atrocities is considered racist then id say yes.

Of course that isn't racist."

Can you explain why I'm a racist as I sure as hell can't from the views I posted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

What are you visualising?

Murder, death on the scale of Iraq or Afghanistan or a bit of public disorder mixed in with some rare attacks by the odd right winger?

What I see and this is my own opinion is that to try and control the terrorist problem with any committed force will result in civil war. Not my choice but I do believe it will happen.

Extremists,even sat around a table with this countries most senior leaders no resolve would be found.....hence the murder you so hastily ridiculed "

I'm sorry you saw my question as ridicule, I assure you that was not my intention. I simply want to understand precisely what you mean.

Are you saying that far right extremists will start to murder muslims in an attempt to stop muslim extremism and that the scale of slaughter will be akin to that of a civil war?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wasn't one of the most interesting things about the programme the guy at the end who was trying to edge away from these groups and violence? When asked why, he basically said he realised it was time to grow up. It was also his view that most of the people in the splinter groups were disaffected, felt powerless and were attracted to leadership in the right wing groups because they were made to feel important.

But ultimately, they need to grow up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Why not aim the question at the original poster.

I'll answer it before it's asked;

If objecting to the beheading of lee rigsby and aid workers, plus other atrocities is considered racist then id say yes.

If this offends you then tough titty, I'm an easy going guy, not supporting the titled show but since you asked the question you have your answer.

It doesn't bother me what creed, colour, tint or hue that you are, I don't think its acceptable to make excuses for the atrocities that have taken place.

"

I couldn't agree with you more.

Do you believe it's acceptable to make excuses for any acts of extremism?

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By *ettering-couple76Couple
over a year ago

Kettering

I have just watched 'said documentary' and found it very interesting.

If anything it highlights the impotency of the far right, with all the groups splintered. All they are able to achieve is noise and disruption...

Fortunately in this country there seems to be no over-riding political driving force that could galvanise them into anything worse. (I can't see UKIP galvanising anything much lol)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no I didnt watch it no plans to

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over a year ago


"

What are you visualising?

Murder, death on the scale of Iraq or Afghanistan or a bit of public disorder mixed in with some rare attacks by the odd right winger?

What I see and this is my own opinion is that to try and control the terrorist problem with any committed force will result in civil war. Not my choice but I do believe it will happen.

Extremists,even sat around a table with this countries most senior leaders no resolve would be found.....hence the murder you so hastily ridiculed

I'm sorry you saw my question as ridicule, I assure you that was not my intention. I simply want to understand precisely what you mean.

Are you saying that far right extremists will start to murder muslims in an attempt to stop muslim extremism and that the scale of slaughter will be akin to that of a civil war?"

Something will spark civil unrest, sit back and watch how the situation in France plays out, I fear worse is to come. And France has a hardline stance.

If the election goes how the common man thinks then maybe a more hardline stance will be employed here.

I dread to think of the violence that would ensue, I'm no racist but like any decent citizen I don't want this shite on my door step.

I hope that clears up any others questioning my views lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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What are you visualising?

Murder, death on the scale of Iraq or Afghanistan or a bit of public disorder mixed in with some rare attacks by the odd right winger?

What I see and this is my own opinion is that to try and control the terrorist problem with any committed force will result in civil war. Not my choice but I do believe it will happen.

Extremists,even sat around a table with this countries most senior leaders no resolve would be found.....hence the murder you so hastily ridiculed

I'm sorry you saw my question as ridicule, I assure you that was not my intention. I simply want to understand precisely what you mean.

Are you saying that far right extremists will start to murder muslims in an attempt to stop muslim extremism and that the scale of slaughter will be akin to that of a civil war?

Something will spark civil unrest, sit back and watch how the situation in France plays out, I fear worse is to come. And France has a hardline stance.

If the election goes how the common man thinks then maybe a more hardline stance will be employed here.

I dread to think of the violence that would ensue, I'm no racist but like any decent citizen I don't want this shite on my door step.

I hope that clears up any others questioning my views lol"

I have not said or even suggested you're racist, I think I've asked you relatively straight forward questions that you appear unable or unwilling to answer directly.

Are you saying that in your opinion right wing extremists will start to murder muslims in this country on a large scale?

It's not a difficult question.

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over a year ago

Given provocation yes, the support for the far right will grow and boom, the shite and fan wil meet. Straight forward enough?

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over a year ago


"Given provocation yes, the support for the far right will grow and boom, the shite and fan wil meet. Straight forward enough?"

No.

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"Given provocation yes, the support for the far right will grow and boom, the shite and fan wil meet. Straight forward enough?"

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over a year ago


"Given provocation yes, the support for the far right will grow and boom, the shite and fan wil meet. Straight forward enough?"

Yes that is straight forward, straight talking makes communication easier.

If the 'provoked' far right start to murder muslims would you be able to condone it in any way. Or would their behaviour in those circumstances be completely reprehensible to you.

Can you imagine an occasion where a far right group murdering muslims would be personally acceptable to you in any remote way? Would you be able to offer any justification?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Given provocation yes, the support for the far right will grow and boom, the shite and fan wil meet. Straight forward enough?"

disagree..

the far right for many reasons has shown itself to be incapable of garnering mass support, every time one lot sets up an 'organisation' it tears itself apart..

any action from those of that brand of extremism will be small and more likely soon stopped by the authorities aided by the majority of decent folk within society..

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"Given provocation yes, the support for the far right will grow and boom, the shite and fan wil meet. Straight forward enough?"
which is the aggenda that isis and co have to provoke and cause division the last thing they want is moslems christians hindus sikes jews etc to get along in harmony as they are alot harder to defeat when they work together . the far right are that stupid that they cann ot see they are infact performing right as the extremeists want them to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Given provocation yes, the support for the far right will grow and boom, the shite and fan wil meet. Straight forward enough?

disagree..

the far right for many reasons has shown itself to be incapable of garnering mass support, every time one lot sets up an 'organisation' it tears itself apart..

any action from those of that brand of extremism will be small and more likely soon stopped by the authorities aided by the majority of decent folk within society.. "

Interestingly, the only violence I saw on last nights programme were far right members fighting amongst themselves. Pathetic.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

It won't be the splinter groups, the common family guy would rise up if he thought a justifiable threat to his home and family occurred.

I'm not talking months here, a few years maybe, if, if this terrorism isn't nipped in the bud

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"It won't be the splinter groups, the common family guy would rise up if he thought a justifiable threat to his home and family occurred.

I'm not talking months here, a few years maybe, if, if this terrorism isn't nipped in the bud

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"It won't be the splinter groups, the common family guy would rise up if he thought a justifiable threat to his home and family occurred.

I'm not talking months here, a few years maybe, if, if this terrorism isn't nipped in the bud

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weve had terrorism before and it did not lead to the same reaction toward those within that culture, yes there were incidents but on the whole most are capable of realising that not all muslims are terrorists..

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over a year ago

gulp

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"It won't be the splinter groups, the common family guy would rise up if he thought a justifiable threat to his home and family occurred.

I'm not talking months here, a few years maybe, if, if this terrorism isn't nipped in the bud

weve had terrorism before and it did not lead to the same reaction toward those within that culture, yes there were incidents but on the whole most are capable of realising that not all muslims are terrorists..

"

I was just about to post something similar. London feels a lot safer now than it did in the 70s and 80s when we had threats from the IRA everyday.

I think the Pope is right when he says we are in a piecemeal World War III. Some will profit, as they always do in war, and others will suffer. Most of us will be affected only minimally and will trundle on with life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your start to the thread was good but would seem your agenda / fear is coming through. You have nothing to fears but fear itself. We are not terrorist and if we spotted it or anyone we know they would report it..the propaganda machine and strategy is to play on fear and very devicive there are billions of muslims and these incidents are limited but sensationalised. Also the devil is in the detail so check alternative views on the stories and it might be clearer. Have a great day.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts


"It won't be the splinter groups, the common family guy would rise up if he thought a justifiable threat to his home and family occurred.

I'm not talking months here, a few years maybe, if, if this terrorism isn't nipped in the bud

"

I strongly doubt it. I have a lot of faith in the innate decency of human beings and believe it will only be the nut jobs of either set of extremists that turn violent.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"It won't be the splinter groups, the common family guy would rise up if he thought a justifiable threat to his home and family occurred.

I'm not talking months here, a few years maybe, if, if this terrorism isn't nipped in the bud

weve had terrorism before and it did not lead to the same reaction toward those within that culture, yes there were incidents but on the whole most are capable of realising that not all muslims are terrorists..

I was just about to post something similar. London feels a lot safer now than it did in the 70s and 80s when we had threats from the IRA everyday.

I think the Pope is right when he says we are in a piecemeal World War III. Some will profit, as they always do in war, and others will suffer. Most of us will be affected only minimally and will trundle on with life.

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the getting on with things and not being afraid is what the average terrorist hates..

f**k em..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Given provocation yes, the support for the far right will grow and boom, the shite and fan wil meet. Straight forward enough?

disagree..

the far right for many reasons has shown itself to be incapable of garnering mass support, every time one lot sets up an 'organisation' it tears itself apart..

any action from those of that brand of extremism will be small and more likely soon stopped by the authorities aided by the majority of decent folk within society..

Interestingly, the only violence I saw on last nights programme were far right members fighting amongst themselves. Pathetic."

Summed up nicely how pathetic and stupid they are

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over a year ago


"It won't be the splinter groups, the common family guy would rise up if he thought a justifiable threat to his home and family occurred.

I'm not talking months here, a few years maybe, if, if this terrorism isn't nipped in the bud

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Is that based on anything more substantial than your own prejudices?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think perspective is called for here.

Those who have extreme views on race, religion and creed are thankfully, small in number. However their actions over shadow the silent and moderate majority. The taking of a life for a political, ethnic or religious belief is plainly wrong and divisive that it causes (rightly) outrage amongst the majority of sane thinking people.

I do not have the answer to the latest outrages but I know that no good ever comes of blame and retribution.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It won't be the splinter groups, the common family guy would rise up if he thought a justifiable threat to his home and family occurred.

I'm not talking months here, a few years maybe, if, if this terrorism isn't nipped in the bud

Is that based on anything more substantial than your own prejudices?"

No prejudicies, just a humble opinion that's all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Given provocation yes, the support for the far right will grow and boom, the shite and fan wil meet. Straight forward enough?

Yes that is straight forward, straight talking makes communication easier.

If the 'provoked' far right start to murder muslims would you be able to condone it in any way. Or would their behaviour in those circumstances be completely reprehensible to you.

Can you imagine an occasion where a far right group murdering muslims would be personally acceptable to you in any remote way? Would you be able to offer any justification? "

Op, are you going to answer this simple question?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've just watched it.

Fecking tripe.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

David Starkey wasn't on the programme yesterday was he? He's doing a great job of presenting himself as a vile racist on QT tonight.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"I've just watched it.

Fecking tripe. "

It was indeed

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"David Starkey wasn't on the programme yesterday was he? He's doing a great job of presenting himself as a vile racist on QT tonight.

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He is the male mirror image of Katie Hopkins..

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

On 'This Week' Islamic French journalist refused to answer if the Prophet would have condoned the killings in France or not.

As always, tried to conflate race and religion and make Islam out to be a special case that should be 'protected' by race laws - when it isn't a race.

Other guest, a female Muslim comedian very open minded and moderate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Given provocation yes, the support for the far right will grow and boom, the shite and fan wil meet. Straight forward enough?"

sounds like you cant wait for it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

just watched it on catch up,wow what a bunch of losers, uneducated oafs,lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"just watched it on catch up,wow what a bunch of losers, uneducated oafs,lol"

Us or them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Watched this earlier

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They all seemed to spout "facts" when they seemed clueless.

To me they are they very thing wrong with Britain. Angry men who tar an entire race of people due to the actions of a few.

If they truly represented britain, how come they don't have any British born black, oriental or Asian. If the two blokes were 2nd generation immigrants then surely to represent England they should have a better demographic.

I think most people are smart enough to see the extremist of any religion are basically fools.

I truly believe most people regardless of race, creed and religion want to live a peaceful life.

Watching the programme, the groups seemed to be spoiling for a fight and was very much just a mob of fools.

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By *evilish_intentionsMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

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By *aeganaWoman
over a year ago

birmingham

didn't watch it prob the government slating the EDL at some point like they usually do they like to make them look like extremists and so on

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By *evilish_intentionsMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"No prejudicies, just a humble opinion that's all."

Do you not have any Asian or Black friends in your life at all OP? If one of them were to be "slaughtered" in retaliation for further terrorist attacks either here or abroad, how would this sit with you? I trust you would not condone any such retaliation and that you would be saddened by it...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

they don't just hate muslims though do they?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"they don't just hate muslims though do they?"

They hate everyone who isn't just like them and use it as an excuse for violence, which is what they're all about.

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over a year ago


"didn't watch it prob the government slating the EDL at some point like they usually do they like to make them look like extremists and so on "

Are you suggesting that the EDL aren;t extremists?

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over a year ago


"didn't watch it prob the government slating the EDL at some point like they usually do they like to make them look like extremists and so on "

I thought the EDL had imploded on themselves and didn't exist any more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'll avoid any programme of this nature."

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By *aeganaWoman
over a year ago

birmingham

the EDL try to show people the truth about Islamic extremism and no there still about

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

The Panorama programme 'The battle for British Islam' was very illuminating.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the EDL try to show people the truth about Islamic extremism and no there still about "

That really is nt a pleasant or informed view and is really offensive to fair minded people

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"No prejudicies, just a humble opinion that's all.

Do you not have any Asian or Black friends in your life at all OP? If one of them were to be "slaughtered" in retaliation for further terrorist attacks either here or abroad, how would this sit with you? I trust you would not condone any such retaliation and that you would be saddened by it... "

You seem to have the wrong idea, I wouldn't support the edl, I wouldn't condone retaliation either.

I've got coloured friends like many on here, I find it insulting to have it even suggested I'm looking forward to more attrocities.

I just explained how I see things 'could' go if left to the extremists - both Muslim and white.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the EDL try to show people the truth about Islamic extremism and no there still about "

No the EDL are rracist scum intent on stirring up hatred and causing trouble.

They and therir supporters are abhorrent

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By *evilish_intentionsMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

@thetongue69 I'm glad to hear that it's more just a "premonition" then as opposed to being something you see as being justified. Let's hope for everybody's sake you're no Mystic Meg and that you're wrong though eh?

Have a nice day people x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"David Starkey wasn't on the programme yesterday was he? He's doing a great job of presenting himself as a vile racist on QT tonight.

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Oh I saw that. Crikey he was vile.

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