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"Ah ok, have yet to venture out in the snow but it would appear it's not being published on tv. " Why would the Cover of a Newspaper be shown on Tv? Gimp | |||
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"Ah ok, have yet to venture out in the snow but it would appear it's not being published on tv. Why would the Cover of a Newspaper be shown on Tv? Gimp" Why wouldn't it? The story they are publishing is the fact the paper has sold in the millions and the French people are turning out in the masses to buy it. Having a wee look at the independent, the guardian and the herald I've yet to see it published on their websites. | |||
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"The cover has been shown on several websites of British newspapers" Which papers??? | |||
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"Ah ok, have yet to venture out in the snow but it would appear it's not being published on tv. Why would the Cover of a Newspaper be shown on Tv? Gimp Why wouldn't it? The story they are publishing is the fact the paper has sold in the millions and the French people are turning out in the masses to buy it. Having a wee look at the independent, the guardian and the herald I've yet to see it published on their websites. " Because Television is about moving Pictures, If i turned on and just found the picture of a front page i would find it very boring and switch straight off which is not what the Advertisers are looking for | |||
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"... Having a wee look at the independent, the guardian and the herald I've yet to see it published on their websites. " It's there. I have the instructions on how to find it: Google ' hebdo front cover' Scroll down to the guardian Scroll down their page It's on the left | |||
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"Ah ok, have yet to venture out in the snow but it would appear it's not being published on tv. Why would the Cover of a Newspaper be shown on Tv? Gimp Why wouldn't it? The story they are publishing is the fact the paper has sold in the millions and the French people are turning out in the masses to buy it. Having a wee look at the independent, the guardian and the herald I've yet to see it published on their websites. Because Television is about moving Pictures, If i turned on and just found the picture of a front page i would find it very boring and switch straight off which is not what the Advertisers are looking for"  News is news. Moving pictures or not. Every morning on news channels they look at the front pages of the newspapers.
The story is about the front page of a newspaper so there is no reason why they should t be showing it. | |||
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"So the latest Charlie Hebdo has been printed with the slogan "tout est pardonné" (all is forgiven). What's your views on the British media not showing the cover??? IMO it's a little disrespectful to those murdered and we shouldn't be standing down to terrorism!" Good post, controversial but good. My opinion is that ALL mainstream media outlets should be focusing on this edition because it send the clearest possible message to the extremists. The extremists attacked a small and irrelevant magazine that no-one in the world had heard of. Today, everyone has heard of the magazine and by publicising it, and its cover would send a message to the extremists that far from inducing fear - the exact opposite has happened and now everyone should be posting the images in the name of freedom. There needs to be strongesat possible demonstration that the activities of these extremists has had exactly the opposite effect of what was intended. Sky News publically stating that they would not show the cover so as not to cause offence should be ashamed of themnselves. In this instance (and only this instance) it is not about offending - it is about demonstrating defiance to extremists and showing solidarity. | |||
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"So the latest Charlie Hebdo has been printed with the slogan "tout est pardonné" (all is forgiven). What's your views on the British media not showing the cover??? IMO it's a little disrespectful to those murdered and we shouldn't be standing down to terrorism! Good post, controversial but good. My opinion is that ALL mainstream media outlets should be focusing on this edition because it send the clearest possible message to the extremists. The extremists attacked a small and irrelevant magazine that no-one in the world had heard of. Today, everyone has heard of the magazine and by publicising it, and its cover would send a message to the extremists that far from inducing fear - the exact opposite has happened and now everyone should be posting the images in the name of freedom. There needs to be strongesat possible demonstration that the activities of these extremists has had exactly the opposite effect of what was intended. Sky News publically stating that they would not show the cover so as not to cause offence should be ashamed of themnselves. In this instance (and only this instance) it is not about offending - it is about demonstrating defiance to extremists and showing solidarity. "  | |||
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"So the latest Charlie Hebdo has been printed with the slogan "tout est pardonné" (all is forgiven). What's your views on the British media not showing the cover??? IMO it's a little disrespectful to those murdered and we shouldn't be standing down to terrorism! Good post, controversial but good. My opinion is that ALL mainstream media outlets should be focusing on this edition because it send the clearest possible message to the extremists. The extremists attacked a small and irrelevant magazine that no-one in the world had heard of. Today, everyone has heard of the magazine and by publicising it, and its cover would send a message to the extremists that far from inducing fear - the exact opposite has happened and now everyone should be posting the images in the name of freedom. There needs to be strongesat possible demonstration that the activities of these extremists has had exactly the opposite effect of what was intended. Sky News publically stating that they would not show the cover so as not to cause offence should be ashamed of themnselves. In this instance (and only this instance) it is not about offending - it is about demonstrating defiance to extremists and showing solidarity. " This newspaper was well known for its cartoons, love them or hate them, whatever but remains the fact that it wasn't the first time the magazine publish strong controversial cartoons/ very thin line between xenophobia and humour.... anyway having said, I'm not saying that the magazine shouldn't publish those images, if they like it, why not, after all freedom of speech, but making money out off those victims, that's not freedom of speech!!! The magazine website selling, t shirt, pens and all sorts and honestly that's wrong ! | |||
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"Ah ok, have yet to venture out in the snow but it would appear it's not being published on tv. Why would the Cover of a Newspaper be shown on Tv? Gimp Why wouldn't it? The story they are publishing is the fact the paper has sold in the millions and the French people are turning out in the masses to buy it. Having a wee look at the independent, the guardian and the herald I've yet to see it published on their websites. Because Television is about moving Pictures, If i turned on and just found the picture of a front page i would find it very boring and switch straight off which is not what the Advertisers are looking for News is news. Moving pictures or not. Every morning on news channels they look at the front pages of the newspapers.
The story is about the front page of a newspaper so there is no reason why they should t be showing it. "Because its no longer interesting ? Because they concentrate on what they think the mainstream will be interested in ? Because they dont want some bloody nutter blowing up their Employees ? | |||
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"Ah ok, have yet to venture out in the snow but it would appear it's not being published on tv. Why would the Cover of a Newspaper be shown on Tv? Gimp Why wouldn't it? The story they are publishing is the fact the paper has sold in the millions and the French people are turning out in the masses to buy it. Having a wee look at the independent, the guardian and the herald I've yet to see it published on their websites. Because Television is about moving Pictures, If i turned on and just found the picture of a front page i would find it very boring and switch straight off which is not what the Advertisers are looking for News is news. Moving pictures or not. Every morning on news channels they look at the front pages of the newspapers.
The story is about the front page of a newspaper so there is no reason why they should t be showing it.
Because its no longer interesting ?
Because they concentrate on what they think the mainstream will be interested in ?
Because they dont want some bloody nutter blowing up their Employees ?"Because freedom of speech gives them the right to choose? | |||
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"So the latest Charlie Hebdo has been printed with the slogan "tout est pardonné" (all is forgiven). What's your views on the British media not showing the cover??? IMO it's a little disrespectful to those murdered and we shouldn't be standing down to terrorism! Good post, controversial but good. My opinion is that ALL mainstream media outlets should be focusing on this edition because it send the clearest possible message to the extremists. The extremists attacked a small and irrelevant magazine that no-one in the world had heard of. Today, everyone has heard of the magazine and by publicising it, and its cover would send a message to the extremists that far from inducing fear - the exact opposite has happened and now everyone should be posting the images in the name of freedom. There needs to be strongesat possible demonstration that the activities of these extremists has had exactly the opposite effect of what was intended. Sky News publically stating that they would not show the cover so as not to cause offence should be ashamed of themnselves. In this instance (and only this instance) it is not about offending - it is about demonstrating defiance to extremists and showing solidarity. This newspaper was well known for its cartoons, love them or hate them, whatever but remains the fact that it wasn't the first time the magazine publish strong controversial cartoons/ very thin line between xenophobia and humour.... anyway having said, I'm not saying that the magazine shouldn't publish those images, if they like it, why not, after all freedom of speech, but making money out off those victims, that's not freedom of speech!!! The magazine website selling, t shirt, pens and all sorts and honestly that's wrong ! " Yep! | |||
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"So by stating that they won't show the offensive images they should be ashamed of themselves? What a load of tosh .... The employees won't find themselves in a coffin now and their kids will still have parents . The images are offensive to the Muslims This is a fact so why do it ? For the sheer bloody mindedness and the false belief that it is the freedom of speech . its just stupid to inflame the situation "Are they offensive to Muslims or is it an excuse for extremists? There are images that offend others but aren't met with the same violence. | |||
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"So by stating that they won't show the offensive images they should be ashamed of themselves? What a load of tosh .... The employees won't find themselves in a coffin now and their kids will still have parents . The images are offensive to the Muslims This is a fact so why do it ? For the sheer bloody mindedness and the false belief that it is the freedom of speech . its just stupid to inflame the situation "This is a war on terror. If those unleashing terror see that their actions have exactly the opposite effect of what is intended - why would they do it? Lily livered Britain is proving to the terrorists that yes we listen to you and we understand that if we upset you, you will come and kill us... Really? | |||
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"So by stating that they won't show the offensive images they should be ashamed of themselves? What a load of tosh .... The employees won't find themselves in a coffin now and their kids will still have parents . The images are offensive to the Muslims This is a fact so why do it ? For the sheer bloody mindedness and the false belief that it is the freedom of speech . its just stupid to inflame the situation
Are they offensive to Muslims or is it an excuse for extremists? There are images that offend others but aren't met with the same violence. "Yes they are offensive to Muslims. The prophet Mohamed said he didn't want to be idolized (in the strictest sense of the word) and that therefore no images ought to be made of him. | |||
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"So by stating that they won't show the offensive images they should be ashamed of themselves? What a load of tosh .... The employees won't find themselves in a coffin now and their kids will still have parents . The images are offensive to the Muslims This is a fact so why do it ? For the sheer bloody mindedness and the false belief that it is the freedom of speech . its just stupid to inflame the situation
Are they offensive to Muslims or is it an excuse for extremists? There are images that offend others but aren't met with the same violence.
Yes they are offensive to Muslims. The prophet Mohamed said he didn't want to be idolized (in the strictest sense of the word) and that therefore no images ought to be made of him. "What about all the slogans and cartoons about the Catholic church? The anti Semitic? Every religion has its critics but I guarantee the majority of Muslims would condem the actions of extremists! | |||
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"Lily livered is your interpretation .... i see it as sensible . If I know the family at the end of the street have connections with violent gangs I will steer clear of offending them and that's just common sense . What you suggest is that I ridicule them and put my family in danger . Yeah .... good idea " I suggest that solidarity and a show of unity should be promoted. You can put your head in the sand but the reality is we are at war with extremism and an attack on the UK is highly likely so why stay quiet. | |||
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"Lily livered is your interpretation .... i see it as sensible . If I know the family at the end of the street have connections with violent gangs I will steer clear of offending them and that's just common sense . What you suggest is that I ridicule them and put my family in danger . Yeah .... good idea " Not at all. Charlie Hebdo paid the price of being alone. Whether we agree or not that the actions of the terrorists were justified, it made it easier for the terrorists to find their target. If the entire world now stands shoulder to shoulder and shows the terrorists the level of their failure - what will they do? Attack every newsroom in the world? By NOT standing full square behind other countries media organisations, Britain has cowed to to the terrorist message. As I understand - only the Guardian has printed the image and that sadly makes them a one off target because others do not have the guts to stand alongside them. | |||
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"So by stating that they won't show the offensive images they should be ashamed of themselves? What a load of tosh .... The employees won't find themselves in a coffin now and their kids will still have parents . The images are offensive to the Muslims This is a fact so why do it ? For the sheer bloody mindedness and the false belief that it is the freedom of speech . its just stupid to inflame the situation
Are they offensive to Muslims or is it an excuse for extremists? There are images that offend others but aren't met with the same violence.
Yes they are offensive to Muslims. The prophet Mohamed said he didn't want to be idolized (in the strictest sense of the word) and that therefore no images ought to be made of him.
What about all the slogans and cartoons about the Catholic church? The anti Semitic?
Every religion has its critics but I guarantee the majority of Muslims would condem the actions of extremists!"We aren't discussing other religions. I'm not saying Muslims don't condemn what happened just saying that printing cartoons is offensive to some. | |||
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"Hey I have an idea for you OP. Wear your heart on your sleeve: Find the image, copy it and use it as your profile pic. What say you?" Fab rules state that you have to be in the photo but I have posted it on my personal social media | |||
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"So by stating that they won't show the offensive images they should be ashamed of themselves? What a load of tosh .... The employees won't find themselves in a coffin now and their kids will still have parents . The images are offensive to the Muslims This is a fact so why do it ? For the sheer bloody mindedness and the false belief that it is the freedom of speech . its just stupid to inflame the situation
Are they offensive to Muslims or is it an excuse for extremists? There are images that offend others but aren't met with the same violence.
Yes they are offensive to Muslims. The prophet Mohamed said he didn't want to be idolized (in the strictest sense of the word) and that therefore no images ought to be made of him.
What about all the slogans and cartoons about the Catholic church? The anti Semitic?
Every religion has its critics but I guarantee the majority of Muslims would condem the actions of extremists!"I do think that you're missing the point here, It is very offensive to ALL Muslims to show Images of the Prophet Mohammed, Nothing to do with Extremism at all. | |||
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"So by stating that they won't show the offensive images they should be ashamed of themselves? What a load of tosh .... The employees won't find themselves in a coffin now and their kids will still have parents . The images are offensive to the Muslims This is a fact so why do it ? For the sheer bloody mindedness and the false belief that it is the freedom of speech . its just stupid to inflame the situation
Are they offensive to Muslims or is it an excuse for extremists? There are images that offend others but aren't met with the same violence.
Yes they are offensive to Muslims. The prophet Mohamed said he didn't want to be idolized (in the strictest sense of the word) and that therefore no images ought to be made of him.
What about all the slogans and cartoons about the Catholic church? The anti Semitic?
Every religion has its critics but I guarantee the majority of Muslims would condem the actions of extremists!
I do think that you're missing the point here, It is very offensive to ALL Muslims to show Images of the Prophet Mohammed, Nothing to do with Extremism at all."In the second world war, we lost a number of battles. It was not about being offended - we as a nation suffered heavy casualties and lost important battles. Unfortunately, some of these battles were strategic losses like the blitz. Civilians were sacrificed to ensure that the RAF could rebuild and re-arm. Like it or not, we are at war with extremists and of the odd battle is lost (like some Muslims being offended) then so be it. Far better to be offended than dead. | |||
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"So the latest Charlie Hebdo has been printed with the slogan "tout est pardonné" (all is forgiven). What's your views on the British media not showing the cover??? IMO it's a little disrespectful to those murdered and we shouldn't be standing down to terrorism! Good post, controversial but good. My opinion is that ALL mainstream media outlets should be focusing on this edition because it send the clearest possible message to the extremists. The extremists attacked a small and irrelevant magazine that no-one in the world had heard of. Today, everyone has heard of the magazine and by publicising it, and its cover would send a message to the extremists that far from inducing fear - the exact opposite has happened and now everyone should be posting the images in the name of freedom. There needs to be strongesat possible demonstration that the activities of these extremists has had exactly the opposite effect of what was intended. Sky News publically stating that they would not show the cover so as not to cause offence should be ashamed of themnselves. In this instance (and only this instance) it is not about offending - it is about demonstrating defiance to extremists and showing solidarity. " Perhaps it's out of respect for the vast majority of moderate and peaceful Muslims who would be offended by such a picture? Many many of whom have spoken out in condemnation of the terrorist acts and deserve us showing them some solidarity? | |||
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"Unless I've imagined it, it was shown on the BBC 10 o'clock news last night. With a warning that it would be shown, presumably so those who might be offended could stop watching. " It was on the BBC breakfast news today too.. maybe it was only shown in Newcastle Anna | |||
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"So the latest Charlie Hebdo has been printed with the slogan "tout est pardonné" (all is forgiven). What's your views on the British media not showing the cover??? IMO it's a little disrespectful to those murdered and we shouldn't be standing down to terrorism! Good post, controversial but good. My opinion is that ALL mainstream media outlets should be focusing on this edition because it send the clearest possible message to the extremists. The extremists attacked a small and irrelevant magazine that no-one in the world had heard of. Today, everyone has heard of the magazine and by publicising it, and its cover would send a message to the extremists that far from inducing fear - the exact opposite has happened and now everyone should be posting the images in the name of freedom. There needs to be strongesat possible demonstration that the activities of these extremists has had exactly the opposite effect of what was intended. Sky News publically stating that they would not show the cover so as not to cause offence should be ashamed of themnselves. In this instance (and only this instance) it is not about offending - it is about demonstrating defiance to extremists and showing solidarity. Perhaps it's out of respect for the vast majority of moderate and peaceful Muslims who would be offended by such a picture? Many many of whom have spoken out in condemnation of the terrorist acts and deserve us showing them some solidarity?" Aside from being told by the media who broadcast the views of extremists over moderates. How do you know that ALL muslims will be offended? Have you any idea why they will be offended other than what Sky and the BBC have told you because that is what the hate preachers have told them? | |||
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"Unless I've imagined it, it was shown on the BBC 10 o'clock news last night. With a warning that it would be shown, presumably so those who might be offended could stop watching. It was on the BBC breakfast news today too.. maybe it was only shown in Newcastle Anna " Or maybe some people like to get their knickers in a twist and get offended about not offending people who are offended about offensive material that it is clearly meant to offend. | |||
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"Unless I've imagined it, it was shown on the BBC 10 o'clock news last night. With a warning that it would be shown, presumably so those who might be offended could stop watching. It was on the BBC breakfast news today too.. maybe it was only shown in Newcastle Anna Or maybe some people like to get their knickers in a twist and get offended about not offending people who are offended about offensive material that it is clearly meant to offend. " | |||
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"Unless I've imagined it, it was shown on the BBC 10 o'clock news last night. With a warning that it would be shown, presumably so those who might be offended could stop watching. It was on the BBC breakfast news today too.. maybe it was only shown in Newcastle Anna Or maybe some people like to get their knickers in a twist and get offended about not offending people who are offended about offensive material that it is clearly meant to offend. " Or maybe some people were simply answering the question without giving a statement on their views either way. No twisted knickers here. | |||
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"So the latest Charlie Hebdo has been printed with the slogan "tout est pardonné" (all is forgiven). What's your views on the British media not showing the cover??? IMO it's a little disrespectful to those murdered and we shouldn't be standing down to terrorism!" but then we know that showing a picture of mohammed is disrepectful for most muslims..... so it is a fine line we have to tread here.... i think hebdo could have made their point and had the thought provoking cover without having to go to that length on this occasion..... i think it is a missed oppotunity..... good topic though | |||
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"Unless I've imagined it, it was shown on the BBC 10 o'clock news last night. With a warning that it would be shown, presumably so those who might be offended could stop watching. It was on the BBC breakfast news today too.. maybe it was only shown in Newcastle Anna Or maybe some people like to get their knickers in a twist and get offended about not offending people who are offended about offensive material that it is clearly meant to offend. Or maybe some people were simply answering the question without giving a statement on their views either way. No twisted knickers here. " I wasn't referring to your knickers Anna. | |||
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"So the latest Charlie Hebdo has been printed with the slogan "tout est pardonné" (all is forgiven). What's your views on the British media not showing the cover??? IMO it's a little disrespectful to those murdered and we shouldn't be standing down to terrorism! Good post, controversial but good. My opinion is that ALL mainstream media outlets should be focusing on this edition because it send the clearest possible message to the extremists. The extremists attacked a small and irrelevant magazine that no-one in the world had heard of. Today, everyone has heard of the magazine and by publicising it, and its cover would send a message to the extremists that far from inducing fear - the exact opposite has happened and now everyone should be posting the images in the name of freedom. There needs to be strongesat possible demonstration that the activities of these extremists has had exactly the opposite effect of what was intended. Sky News publically stating that they would not show the cover so as not to cause offence should be ashamed of themnselves. In this instance (and only this instance) it is not about offending - it is about demonstrating defiance to extremists and showing solidarity. Perhaps it's out of respect for the vast majority of moderate and peaceful Muslims who would be offended by such a picture? Many many of whom have spoken out in condemnation of the terrorist acts and deserve us showing them some solidarity? Aside from being told by the media who broadcast the views of extremists over moderates. How do you know that ALL muslims will be offended? Have you any idea why they will be offended other than what Sky and the BBC have told you because that is what the hate preachers have told them?" Because it's a fundamental tenet of the Islamic faith that there are no physical representations of muhammad...something I learned at school more years ago than I care to remember. Trying to diminish what I know and from where isn't a very good way of making your point but crack on, sunshine... | |||
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"So the latest Charlie Hebdo has been printed with the slogan "tout est pardonné" (all is forgiven). What's your views on the British media not showing the cover??? IMO it's a little disrespectful to those murdered and we shouldn't be standing down to terrorism! Good post, controversial but good. My opinion is that ALL mainstream media outlets should be focusing on this edition because it send the clearest possible message to the extremists. The extremists attacked a small and irrelevant magazine that no-one in the world had heard of. Today, everyone has heard of the magazine and by publicising it, and its cover would send a message to the extremists that far from inducing fear - the exact opposite has happened and now everyone should be posting the images in the name of freedom. There needs to be strongesat possible demonstration that the activities of these extremists has had exactly the opposite effect of what was intended. Sky News publically stating that they would not show the cover so as not to cause offence should be ashamed of themnselves. In this instance (and only this instance) it is not about offending - it is about demonstrating defiance to extremists and showing solidarity. Perhaps it's out of respect for the vast majority of moderate and peaceful Muslims who would be offended by such a picture? Many many of whom have spoken out in condemnation of the terrorist acts and deserve us showing them some solidarity? Aside from being told by the media who broadcast the views of extremists over moderates. How do you know that ALL muslims will be offended? Have you any idea why they will be offended other than what Sky and the BBC have told you because that is what the hate preachers have told them? Because it's a fundamental tenet of the Islamic faith that there are no physical representations of muhammad...something I learned at school more years ago than I care to remember. Trying to diminish what I know and from where isn't a very good way of making your point but crack on, sunshine..." And I didn't say "All"... | |||
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"Does anyone know why there are lots of Middle eastern depictions of Mohammed dating as far back as the 9th century? When did portraying him become offensive?" Interesting question, I don't know the answer either. And strictly speaking, there's a tradition of aniconism within the Jewish faith and certain Christian sects (e.g. Calvinism) too. This doesn't prohibit the British media from showing depictions of God. Is the difference here just the numbers of people involved? | |||
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"Ah ok, have yet to venture out in the snow but it would appear it's not being published on tv. " It was mentioned on BBC this morning. | |||
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" Because it's a fundamental tenet of the Islamic faith that there are no physical representations of muhammad...something I learned at school more years ago than I care to remember. Trying to diminish what I know and from where isn't a very good way of making your point but crack on, sunshine..." Maybe you want to research that a little. Try googling images or symbols or drawings of the prophet mohamed. | |||
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"Does anyone know why there are lots of Middle eastern depictions of Mohammed dating as far back as the 9th century? When did portraying him become offensive?" This is very true and these very images can be found with a simple Google search. They appear in old manuscripts and drawings across the Middle East (and presumably elsewhere). | |||
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"Oh yes she also said she thought Mohammed would approve of the sketch as it depicted him as a forgiven person that was deeply saddened by what was going on. Again a very common sense view." I can relate to that. | |||
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"Does anyone know why there are lots of Middle eastern depictions of Mohammed dating as far back as the 9th century? When did portraying him become offensive?" Unfortunately...they just make it up as they go along!! | |||
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"There was a lovely muslim lady, described as devout on BBC TV this morning that made a really good point She said the Prophet mohammed said no such thing about not showing dipictations of him and is turning in his grave that his beloved religion has been hijacked in this way by the wrongful intepretations of his teachings. What a breath of fresh air coming from a muslim lady. Well done to her for saying a bit of common sense for a change instead. At end of day Mohammed was just a bloke that people listened to a bit. Not some demi god construct. Putting the bloke on a pedestal has led to many of the problems we have now."
There are many images of the prophet from centuries ago., it is only fairly recently that someone has interpreted it literally. Again, as with the christian faith it is only 'mans intepretation' of a collection of stories.
And of course let's not forget those who get 'offended' on behalf of those who they think 'would' be offended but who in reality actually don't object to anyone expressing their own personal thoughts.
The laws of any religion are only applicable to followers of that religion. You cannot, and must not force them on those who do not believe the same as you. And in all cases the law of this country is above every religious law.
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"There was a lovely muslim lady, described as devout on BBC TV this morning that made a really good point She said the Prophet mohammed said no such thing about not showing dipictations of him and is turning in his grave that his beloved religion has been hijacked in this way by the wrongful intepretations of his teachings. What a breath of fresh air coming from a muslim lady. Well done to her for saying a bit of common sense for a change instead. At end of day Mohammed was just a bloke that people listened to a bit. Not some demi god construct. Putting the bloke on a pedestal has led to many of the problems we have now." "Oh yes she also said she thought Mohammed would approve of the sketch as it depicted him as a forgiven person that was deeply saddened by what was going on. Again a very common sense view." | |||
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"There was a lovely muslim lady, described as devout on BBC TV this morning that made a really good point She said the Prophet mohammed said no such thing about not showing dipictations of him and is turning in his grave that his beloved religion has been hijacked in this way by the wrongful intepretations of his teachings. What a breath of fresh air coming from a muslim lady. Well done to her for saying a bit of common sense for a change instead. At end of day Mohammed was just a bloke that people listened to a bit. Not some demi god construct. Putting the bloke on a pedestal has led to many of the problems we have now." I was very impressed by her remarks and I wouldn't be surprised if many muslims felt the same | |||
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"There was a lovely muslim lady, described as devout on BBC TV this morning that made a really good point She said the Prophet mohammed said no such thing about not showing dipictations of him and is turning in his grave that his beloved religion has been hijacked in this way by the wrongful intepretations of his teachings. What a breath of fresh air coming from a muslim lady. Well done to her for saying a bit of common sense for a change instead. At end of day Mohammed was just a bloke that people listened to a bit. Not some demi god construct. Putting the bloke on a pedestal has led to many of the problems we have now. I was very impressed by her remarks and I wouldn't be surprised if many muslims felt the same" True. There may well be Muslims who were offended but chose simply to criticise it (exercising their right to free speech) and not pick up a gun. | |||
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"Sometimes it's 12 men in an office drawing cartoons that really are defending your freedoms. Je suis Charlie "I'm not sure producing intentionally mocking images is defending freedom.. But nevertheless it shouldn't warrant the dreadful events that followed...  | |||
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"Sometimes it's 12 men in an office drawing cartoons that really are defending your freedoms. Je suis Charlie
I'm not sure producing intentionally mocking images is defending freedom..
But nevertheless it shouldn't warrant the dreadful events that followed...
". Well if you want to produce intensionally mocking cartoons it is. If you take away peoples rights to freedom of thought, you end up in very very bad places like somewhere in raqqa!. Now bearing in mind that a section of society tried to shut these people up with violent intimidation, death threats, and murders already in Denmark, I'd actually say those men and women in that office deserve a fucking legion of honour for acts of bravery above and beyond the call. Personally, I'd have liked every single paper to reproduce those cartoons as front page articles! People often ask what's British culture... I'd put freedom to offend right up there at number 1. Life of BRIAN offended Christians greatly, they got over it and the world moved on! | |||
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"Sometimes it's 12 men in an office drawing cartoons that really are defending your freedoms. Je suis Charlie
I'm not sure producing intentionally mocking images is defending freedom..
But nevertheless it shouldn't warrant the dreadful events that followed...
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Well if you want to produce intensionally mocking cartoons it is.
If you take away peoples rights to freedom of thought, you end up in very very bad places like somewhere in raqqa!.
Now bearing in mind that a section of society tried to shut these people up with violent intimidation, death threats, and murders already in Denmark, I'd actually say those men and women in that office deserve a fucking legion of honour for acts of bravery above and beyond the call.
Personally, I'd have liked every single paper to reproduce those cartoons as front page articles!
People often ask what's British culture... I'd put freedom to offend right up there at number 1.
Life of BRIAN offended Christians greatly, they got over it and the world moved on!"The cartoonists were employed and paid to provide content for the publication.... their motivation therefore can not be solely attributed to defending free speech,,, | |||
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"Sometimes it's 12 men in an office drawing cartoons that really are defending your freedoms. Je suis Charlie
I'm not sure producing intentionally mocking images is defending freedom..
But nevertheless it shouldn't warrant the dreadful events that followed...
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Well if you want to produce intensionally mocking cartoons it is.
If you take away peoples rights to freedom of thought, you end up in very very bad places like somewhere in raqqa!.
Now bearing in mind that a section of society tried to shut these people up with violent intimidation, death threats, and murders already in Denmark, I'd actually say those men and women in that office deserve a fucking legion of honour for acts of bravery above and beyond the call.
Personally, I'd have liked every single paper to reproduce those cartoons as front page articles!
People often ask what's British culture... I'd put freedom to offend right up there at number 1.
Life of BRIAN offended Christians greatly, they got over it and the world moved on!
The cartoonists were employed and paid to provide content for the publication.... their motivation therefore can not be solely attributed to defending free speech,,,
". Well in that case cancel all the Victoria crosses, stop all those military remembrances... I mean all those people were paid after all! | |||
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"Sometimes it's 12 men in an office drawing cartoons that really are defending your freedoms. Je suis Charlie
I'm not sure producing intentionally mocking images is defending freedom..
But nevertheless it shouldn't warrant the dreadful events that followed...
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Well if you want to produce intensionally mocking cartoons it is.
If you take away peoples rights to freedom of thought, you end up in very very bad places like somewhere in raqqa!.
Now bearing in mind that a section of society tried to shut these people up with violent intimidation, death threats, and murders already in Denmark, I'd actually say those men and women in that office deserve a fucking legion of honour for acts of bravery above and beyond the call.
Personally, I'd have liked every single paper to reproduce those cartoons as front page articles!
People often ask what's British culture... I'd put freedom to offend right up there at number 1.
Life of BRIAN offended Christians greatly, they got over it and the world moved on!
The cartoonists were employed and paid to provide content for the publication.... their motivation therefore can not be solely attributed to defending free speech,,,
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Well in that case cancel all the Victoria crosses, stop all those military remembrances... I mean all those people were paid after all!"That's a ludicrous comparison ..... But hey maybe I'm wrong..... perhaps every Mcdonalds employee who tells you to have a nice day is speaking from the heart,,,  | |||
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"Sometimes it's 12 men in an office drawing cartoons that really are defending your freedoms. Je suis Charlie
I'm not sure producing intentionally mocking images is defending freedom..
But nevertheless it shouldn't warrant the dreadful events that followed...
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Well if you want to produce intensionally mocking cartoons it is.
If you take away peoples rights to freedom of thought, you end up in very very bad places like somewhere in raqqa!.
Now bearing in mind that a section of society tried to shut these people up with violent intimidation, death threats, and murders already in Denmark, I'd actually say those men and women in that office deserve a fucking legion of honour for acts of bravery above and beyond the call.
Personally, I'd have liked every single paper to reproduce those cartoons as front page articles!
People often ask what's British culture... I'd put freedom to offend right up there at number 1.
Life of BRIAN offended Christians greatly, they got over it and the world moved on!
The cartoonists were employed and paid to provide content for the publication.... their motivation therefore can not be solely attributed to defending free speech,,,
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Well in that case cancel all the Victoria crosses, stop all those military remembrances... I mean all those people were paid after all!
That's a ludicrous comparison .....
But hey maybe I'm wrong..... perhaps every Mcdonalds employee who tells you to have a nice day is speaking from the heart,,, ". Ludicrous comparisons.. Right, shoot a few McDonald's workers, set fire to some restaurants then put death threats on the rest... See how many turn up Monday morning and say... Have a nice day!. You do know all those Charlie hebdo workers had been under armed escort for years, they had to move house, move their kids from different schools, watch where they went for a meal, where they drank, how they got to work, where they went shopping. Honestly your just wrong, it's nothing like your comparisons and everything like deserving of a bleeding medal | |||
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"All freedoms come from the Left. The Right seeks to reduce personal freedoms, always. See all political activity throughout history for the proof." . That's why I said the problem with the left!. We've got to concerned about nonsense instead of helping people with genuine oppression. How many 16 year old Muslim girls given the actual freedom and choice would choose to wear a pillar box, have an arranged marriage, not be able to go out without a male family chaperone, go to prayers five times a day, not listen to western music, not wear western clothes, no sunbathing, no sex... There held back culturally through society because we fail to stand up for what we belive is best because we're afraid to offend people. And let's be honest were just afraid to offend brown people or foreigners were certainly not afraid of offending white Christian people Charlie hebdo printed hundreds of pictures of the pope and Jewish rabbis.. Do you think they weren't offended!! Yeah there in a free country, surrounded by the glare from the mosque, that's not freedom, that's freedom to do as your piers tell you or be shunned or be killed!. No thanks I'll stick to ridiculing people with ridiculous beliefs every day not because I wish to offended brown people but because I wish the freedom we have for all!. Democracy isn't freedom, Iran's a democracy, Indonesia is a democracy go over their with your jolly ideas of not offending anyone while their hanging gay people and looping the heads of apostates.. Freedom comes from the ability to be free to offend people without facing death, but by having a rational debate and in the end take your offence home and having a dammed good wank instead | |||
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"All freedoms come from the Left. The Right seeks to reduce personal freedoms, always. See all political activity throughout history for the proof." Ah, left wing freedom. You mean like the Soviet Union, East Germany, North Korea, Cuba, Cambodia, Vietnam, and not forgetting China. The list could go on. As soon as the left get any hold an power they consolidate it with violence and oppression. | |||
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"All freedoms come from the Left. The Right seeks to reduce personal freedoms, always. See all political activity throughout history for the proof. Ah, left wing freedom. You mean like the Soviet Union, East Germany, North Korea, Cuba, Cambodia, Vietnam, and not forgetting China. The list could go on. As soon as the left get any hold an power they consolidate it with violence and oppression." I guess you must prefer Right wing ideologies like ISIS, then. | |||
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"All freedoms come from the Left. The Right seeks to reduce personal freedoms, always. See all political activity throughout history for the proof. Ah, left wing freedom. You mean like the Soviet Union, East Germany, North Korea, Cuba, Cambodia, Vietnam, and not forgetting China. The list could go on. As soon as the left get any hold an power they consolidate it with violence and oppression. I guess you must prefer Right wing ideologies like ISIS, then." Right wing? Hmmmm Funny how most of their apologists come from the left. | |||
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"All freedoms come from the Left. The Right seeks to reduce personal freedoms, always. See all political activity throughout history for the proof. Ah, left wing freedom. You mean like the Soviet Union, East Germany, North Korea, Cuba, Cambodia, Vietnam, and not forgetting China. The list could go on. As soon as the left get any hold an power they consolidate it with violence and oppression. I guess you must prefer Right wing ideologies like ISIS, then. Right wing? Hmmmm Funny how most of their apologists come from the left." People who talk about 'apologists' are generally people who mistake thinking for supporting. How else would you describe ISIS, other than right wing? Reactionary, fearful, conservative, religiously fundamental - none of those are traits you will find on the left. | |||
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"All freedoms come from the Left. The Right seeks to reduce personal freedoms, always. See all political activity throughout history for the proof. Ah, left wing freedom. You mean like the Soviet Union, East Germany, North Korea, Cuba, Cambodia, Vietnam, and not forgetting China. The list could go on. As soon as the left get any hold an power they consolidate it with violence and oppression. I guess you must prefer Right wing ideologies like ISIS, then. Right wing? Hmmmm Funny how most of their apologists come from the left. People who talk about 'apologists' are generally people who mistake thinking for supporting. How else would you describe ISIS, other than right wing? Reactionary, fearful, conservative, religiously fundamental - none of those are traits you will find on the left." Best ask CAGE about that then | |||
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"I might be mistaken, but wasn't/isn't Charlie Hebdo a kinda French Viz? Hardly some shining bastion of satirical culture. Not that anyone deserves to die like that but what they printed was extremely inflammatory. And those 'world leaders' who lined up saying "Je suis un Charlie" was just breathtaking... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-march-tv-wide-shots-reveal-a-different-perspective-on-world-leaders-at-largest-demonstration-9972895.html" . Oh my, you've got it really bad haven't you! BUT what they printed was extremely inflammatory!!. I suggest next time you wanna get another guys cock out and have a play in public... Do it in Tehran.. No give me a real good laugh, try it in a Luton! | |||
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"I might be mistaken, but wasn't/isn't Charlie Hebdo a kinda French Viz? Hardly some shining bastion of satirical culture. Not that anyone deserves to die like that but what they printed was extremely inflammatory. And those 'world leaders' who lined up saying "Je suis un Charlie" was just breathtaking... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-march-tv-wide-shots-reveal-a-different-perspective-on-world-leaders-at-largest-demonstration-9972895.html. Oh my, you've got it really bad haven't you! BUT what they printed was extremely inflammatory!!. I suggest next time you wanna get another guys cock out and have a play in public... Do it in Tehran.. No give me a real good laugh, try it in a Luton! "Your point being? | |||
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"I might be mistaken, but wasn't/isn't Charlie Hebdo a kinda French Viz? Hardly some shining bastion of satirical culture. Not that anyone deserves to die like that but what they printed was extremely inflammatory. And those 'world leaders' who lined up saying "Je suis un Charlie" was just breathtaking... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-march-tv-wide-shots-reveal-a-different-perspective-on-world-leaders-at-largest-demonstration-9972895.html. Oh my, you've got it really bad haven't you! BUT what they printed was extremely inflammatory!!. I suggest next time you wanna get another guys cock out and have a play in public... Do it in Tehran.. No give me a real good laugh, try it in a Luton!
Your point being?"I think a more accurate analogy would be if you were to have an offensive cartoon of Mohammed printed in a national newspaper and see how you get on. I was listening to (UK) a cartoonist last night who DIDN'T do something similar around the same time and was hounded, vilified on social media as a coward. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. | |||
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"I might be mistaken, but wasn't/isn't Charlie Hebdo a kinda French Viz? Hardly some shining bastion of satirical culture. Not that anyone deserves to die like that but what they printed was extremely inflammatory. And those 'world leaders' who lined up saying "Je suis un Charlie" was just breathtaking... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-march-tv-wide-shots-reveal-a-different-perspective-on-world-leaders-at-largest-demonstration-9972895.html. Oh my, you've got it really bad haven't you! BUT what they printed was extremely inflammatory!!. I suggest next time you wanna get another guys cock out and have a play in public... Do it in Tehran.. No give me a real good laugh, try it in a Luton!
Your point being?
I think a more accurate analogy would be if you were to have an offensive cartoon of Mohammed printed in a national newspaper and see how you get on.
I was listening to (UK) a cartoonist last night who DIDN'T do something similar around the same time and was hounded, vilified on social media as a coward.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.". Me, I'd print those cartoons every single day on the front page and say... You live in the west now, get used to it, if you find you really can't, go live somewhere that allows for your WARPED views on how to deal with offence!. I'm not being funny Joe but if the pope had openly called for the death of the Monty python crew for the life of Brian, if Mary Whitehouses crew had burnt down picture houses and machine gunned the cinema staff ... Not only would I still be outraged but I'm guessing you would be too! | |||
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"Me, I'd print those cartoons every single day on the front page and say... You live in the west now, get used to it, if you find you really can't, go live somewhere that allows for your WARPED views on how to deal with offence!. I'm not being funny Joe but if the pope had openly called for the death of the Monty python crew for the life of Brian, if Mary Whitehouses crew had burnt down picture houses and machine gunned the cinema staff ... Not only would I still be outraged but I'm guessing you would be too!" Go on then! 
It seems to piss off some people.
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"Me, I'd print those cartoons every single day on the front page and say... You live in the west now, get used to it, if you find you really can't, go live somewhere that allows for your WARPED views on how to deal with offence!. I'm not being funny Joe but if the pope had openly called for the death of the Monty python crew for the life of Brian, if Mary Whitehouses crew had burnt down picture houses and machine gunned the cinema staff ... Not only would I still be outraged but I'm guessing you would be too! Go on then!
It seems to piss off some people.
And the Monty Python thing is comparing apples and oranges". Well how about the west end jerry springer musical where they portray Jesus as a raving homosexual, do you think there'd do a Mohammed one!. South park took the piss out of every single religious figure expect Mohammed... Why do you think that was.. Afraid of upsetting people.. No they were quite keen on upsetting all the other religions. Of course none of the other religious leaders call for your fucking head to be chopped off.. So maybe that's it. | |||
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"Me, I'd print those cartoons every single day on the front page and say... You live in the west now, get used to it, if you find you really can't, go live somewhere that allows for your WARPED views on how to deal with offence!. I'm not being funny Joe but if the pope had openly called for the death of the Monty python crew for the life of Brian, if Mary Whitehouses crew had burnt down picture houses and machine gunned the cinema staff ... Not only would I still be outraged but I'm guessing you would be too! Go on then!
It seems to piss off some people.
And the Monty Python thing is comparing apples and oranges.
Well how about the west end jerry springer musical where they portray Jesus as a raving homosexual, do you think there'd do a Mohammed one!.
South park took the piss out of every single religious figure expect Mohammed...
Why do you think that was.. Afraid of upsetting people..
No they were quite keen on upsetting all the other religions.
Of course none of the other religious leaders call for your fucking head to be chopped off..
So maybe that's it."Ok... so what's your point? | |||
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"Sometimes it's 12 men in an office drawing cartoons that really are defending your freedoms. Je suis Charlie
I'm not sure producing intentionally mocking images is defending freedom..
But nevertheless it shouldn't warrant the dreadful events that followed...
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Well if you want to produce intensionally mocking cartoons it is.
If you take away peoples rights to freedom of thought, you end up in very very bad places like somewhere in raqqa!.
Now bearing in mind that a section of society tried to shut these people up with violent intimidation, death threats, and murders already in Denmark, I'd actually say those men and women in that office deserve a fucking legion of honour for acts of bravery above and beyond the call.
Personally, I'd have liked every single paper to reproduce those cartoons as front page articles!
People often ask what's British culture... I'd put freedom to offend right up there at number 1.
Life of BRIAN offended Christians greatly, they got over it and the world moved on!
The cartoonists were employed and paid to provide content for the publication.... their motivation therefore can not be solely attributed to defending free speech,,,
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Well in that case cancel all the Victoria crosses, stop all those military remembrances... I mean all those people were paid after all!"The reason it's a ludicrous comparison is rather simple ...... but if you can't see it I'll explain.... Those members of the armed forces who receive special meritorious recognition are awarded accolade for acts of bravery over and beyond the call of duty....... I don't doubt the sincerity of your convictions but your arguments fail to include persuasive content..... | |||
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"There are limits on freedom of speech... As the Pope said of Charlie Hebdo & freedom of speech at the time... "On the plane travelling with him, we watched transfixed as he responded to a journalist's question about whether there were any limits to free speech. Despite stating clearly and at some length that nobody should be murdered over what they thought or drew or wrote, Pope Francis had no doubt that there were limits. Swinging his arm to demonstrate, he made clear that if his friend insulted what was most dear to him - his mother, for example - that friend could expect a punch. It was not what many liberal fans of the Pontiff had expected."" . There are legal limits on freedom of speech and none of Charlie hebdos broke them.. But then you still think they deserved to die for being inflammatory... If that's not the case then BUT should never follow! | |||
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"There are limits on freedom of speech... As the Pope said of Charlie Hebdo & freedom of speech at the time... "On the plane travelling with him, we watched transfixed as he responded to a journalist's question about whether there were any limits to free speech. Despite stating clearly and at some length that nobody should be murdered over what they thought or drew or wrote, Pope Francis had no doubt that there were limits. Swinging his arm to demonstrate, he made clear that if his friend insulted what was most dear to him - his mother, for example - that friend could expect a punch. It was not what many liberal fans of the Pontiff had expected.". There are legal limits on freedom of speech and none of Charlie hebdos broke them.. But then you still think they deserved to die for being inflammatory... If that's not the case then BUT should never follow!" As the Pope said: "Despite stating clearly and at some length that nobody should be murdered over what they thought or drew or wrote, Pope Francis had no doubt that there were limits. Swinging his arm to demonstrate, he made clear that if his friend insulted what was most dear to him - his mother, for example - that friend could expect a punch. It was not what many liberal fans of the Pontiff had expected"  | |||
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"Me, I'd print those cartoons every single day on the front page and say... You live in the west now, get used to it, if you find you really can't, go live somewhere that allows for your WARPED views on how to deal with offence!. I'm not being funny Joe but if the pope had openly called for the death of the Monty python crew for the life of Brian, if Mary Whitehouses crew had burnt down picture houses and machine gunned the cinema staff ... Not only would I still be outraged but I'm guessing you would be too! Go on then!
It seems to piss off some people.
And the Monty Python thing is comparing apples and oranges.
Well how about the west end jerry springer musical where they portray Jesus as a raving homosexual, do you think there'd do a Mohammed one!.
South park took the piss out of every single religious figure expect Mohammed...
Why do you think that was.. Afraid of upsetting people..
No they were quite keen on upsetting all the other religions.
Of course none of the other religious leaders call for your fucking head to be chopped off..
So maybe that's it."South Park has had an episode where it took the piss out of Mohamed (peace be upon him) and a recent episode featured Syrian refugees with a crowd chanting "fuck them all to death" | |||
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"Me, I'd print those cartoons every single day on the front page and say... You live in the west now, get used to it, if you find you really can't, go live somewhere that allows for your WARPED views on how to deal with offence!. I'm not being funny Joe but if the pope had openly called for the death of the Monty python crew for the life of Brian, if Mary Whitehouses crew had burnt down picture houses and machine gunned the cinema staff ... Not only would I still be outraged but I'm guessing you would be too! Go on then!
It seems to piss off some people.
And the Monty Python thing is comparing apples and oranges.
Well how about the west end jerry springer musical where they portray Jesus as a raving homosexual, do you think there'd do a Mohammed one!.
South park took the piss out of every single religious figure expect Mohammed...
Why do you think that was.. Afraid of upsetting people..
No they were quite keen on upsetting all the other religions.
Of course none of the other religious leaders call for your fucking head to be chopped off..
So maybe that's it.
South Park has had an episode where it took the piss out of Mohamed (peace be upon him) and a recent episode featured Syrian refugees with a crowd chanting "fuck them all to death"
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"Me, I'd print those cartoons every single day on the front page and say... You live in the west now, get used to it, if you find you really can't, go live somewhere that allows for your WARPED views on how to deal with offence!. I'm not being funny Joe but if the pope had openly called for the death of the Monty python crew for the life of Brian, if Mary Whitehouses crew had burnt down picture houses and machine gunned the cinema staff ... Not only would I still be outraged but I'm guessing you would be too! Go on then!
It seems to piss off some people.
And the Monty Python thing is comparing apples and oranges.
Well how about the west end jerry springer musical where they portray Jesus as a raving homosexual, do you think there'd do a Mohammed one!.
South park took the piss out of every single religious figure expect Mohammed...
Why do you think that was.. Afraid of upsetting people..
No they were quite keen on upsetting all the other religions.
Of course none of the other religious leaders call for your fucking head to be chopped off..
So maybe that's it.
South Park has had an episode where it took the piss out of Mohamed (peace be upon him) and a recent episode featured Syrian refugees with a crowd chanting "fuck them all to death"
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"Me, I'd print those cartoons every single day on the front page and say... You live in the west now, get used to it, if you find you really can't, go live somewhere that allows for your WARPED views on how to deal with offence!. I'm not being funny Joe but if the pope had openly called for the death of the Monty python crew for the life of Brian, if Mary Whitehouses crew had burnt down picture houses and machine gunned the cinema staff ... Not only would I still be outraged but I'm guessing you would be too! Go on then!
It seems to piss off some people.
And the Monty Python thing is comparing apples and oranges.
Well how about the west end jerry springer musical where they portray Jesus as a raving homosexual, do you think there'd do a Mohammed one!.
South park took the piss out of every single religious figure expect Mohammed...
Why do you think that was.. Afraid of upsetting people..
No they were quite keen on upsetting all the other religions.
Of course none of the other religious leaders call for your fucking head to be chopped off..
So maybe that's it.
South Park has had an episode where it took the piss out of Mohamed (peace be upon him) and a recent episode featured Syrian refugees with a crowd chanting "fuck them all to death"
"Peace be upon him" why?
He was a warmonger who converted people to Islam by the sword, even taking control of Mecca by force.
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