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By *issHottieBottie OP   Woman
over a year ago

Kent

Some of the UK's most popular messaging services could soon be banned.

Speaking earlier today, David Cameron, announced his plans for new surveillance laws which could spell the end of popular services such as WhatsApp and Snapchat.

Mr Cameron wants to stop all methods of communications that can't be read by the UK's security services.

All of the big messaging apps, including Apple's iMessage and FaceTime, encrypt their data so could face a total ban after the next election.

Explaining his reason, the Prime Minister said: “In our country, do we want to allow a means of communication between people which we cannot read?”

"My answer to that question is no we must not."

"If I am Prime Minister, I will make sure it is a comprehensive piece of legislation that makes sure we do not allow terrorist safe spaces to communicate with each other."

Whilst keeping the UK safe is clearly a top priority, the move is set to be incredibly unpopular with voters who have come to rely on these new forms of communication.

(Copied from an online newspaper report)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok Dave, good luck with that

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

liverpool

As benjamin franklin once said "those that would sacrafice freedoms for security, deserve neither"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can read my whatsapp just fine, just because he can't read mine doesn't mean it should be banned...

Paranoid dickheads they are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

About as much chance as uninventing the wheel!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they catch terrorists before they blow up thousands of people then they can read my messages. They will be looking for keywords and reading the messages of suspects. Have my messages read or risk me or my family and friends being blown up on a train,which almost happened. I know which I choose

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"About as much chance as uninventing the wheel!"

Dunno. Wasn't there a big rally against terrorism last week? If the government start using terror buzzwords am sure it will become a popular idea.

Or, in my skepicism about modern life, i wonder if this is all just free advertising for whatsapp so the shareholders can make money...

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"If they catch terrorists before they blow up thousands of people then they can read my messages. They will be looking for keywords and reading the messages of suspects. Have my messages read or risk me or my family and friends being blown up on a train,which almost happened. I know which I choose "

no no no and no.

Stop allowing goverments to take away our privacy and freedom.

everytime this happens the terrorists win anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If he really thinks that banning the likes of What'sApp and Snapchat is all it'll take to stop terrorists communicating with each other then he's more of a twit than I originally though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Slowly but surely trying to take away our privacy and human rights. Yeah Dave all to protect us!! Not to control us eh!!

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By *onitoMan
over a year ago

Milton of Campsie

Wasn't Dave just marching about the freedom of speech?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If they catch terrorists before they blow up thousands of people then they can read my messages. They will be looking for keywords and reading the messages of suspects. Have my messages read or risk me or my family and friends being blown up on a train,which almost happened. I know which I choose

no no no and no.

Stop allowing goverments to take away our privacy and freedom.

everytime this happens the terrorists win anyway."

At what point do we say enough? Should the civil liberties of the many be eroded because of the actions of a few? Cameron walks hand in hand with France one day advocating freedom of speech and expression and the next day sets about eroding both of those in our country. Enough I say.

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By *issHottieBottie OP   Woman
over a year ago

Kent

They must have a field day with my messages, my real life surname would have everyone panicking

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By *onitoMan
over a year ago

Milton of Campsie


"If they catch terrorists before they blow up thousands of people then they can read my messages. They will be looking for keywords and reading the messages of suspects. Have my messages read or risk me or my family and friends being blown up on a train,which almost happened. I know which I choose

no no no and no.

Stop allowing goverments to take away our privacy and freedom.

everytime this happens the terrorists win anyway.

At what point do we say enough? Should the civil liberties of the many be eroded because of the actions of a few? Cameron walks hand in hand with France one day advocating freedom of speech and expression and the next day sets about eroding both of those in our country. Enough I say."

Abit of a joke eh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wasn't Dave just marching about the freedom of speech?"

the irony of that is probably lost on him though!

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By *he_batmanMan
over a year ago

Gotham

I think David Cameron wants to be a dictator

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By *onitoMan
over a year ago

Milton of Campsie


"I think David Cameron wants to be a dictator "

More like the Joker in the next Batman movie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fair play to the French thousands of heavily armed police and military personell at key sites as a deterrant and to provide the public a feeling of safety and security.

What would toff Davy boy Cameron do if it happened here?

He would probably hold a commons select committee on a remote scottish isle heavily fortified to protect him and his cronies.

They would probably sip the finest champers with lobster and caviare and discuss how they should legalise Fox hunting and the best method of claiming for second and third homes without prosecution.

At the end someone would ask what about the terror threat to which hed reply oh we will place extra police around westminster we cant afford it for the rest of the country but at least we have tried

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's all to do with encryption and not being able to crack it, Apple has already come under fire in the US re iOS6, was reported to be the operating platform of choice for certain unscrupulous individuals.

according to an online report I read the likes of whatsapp and snapchat will have to modify their platform a if the law came into effect, so not a blanket ban.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think David Cameron wants to be a dictator "

Youd be half right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

David Cameron don't wanna see what I send on Whatsapp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"David Cameron don't wanna see what I send on Whatsapp "

But we do hehehe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"David Cameron don't wanna see what I send on Whatsapp

But we do hehehe "

Nosey Bugger!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cameron...what can you say about this prick ? ...I suppose he's keeping No.10 aired I guess.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"David Cameron don't wanna see what I send on Whatsapp

But we do hehehe "

You'll be able to if they ban encryption.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not messaging he need to ban it's the building of mosques and building stronger immigration controls. And zero tolerance to extremists and people who treason, on that note hang your self Cameron !!! and your corrupt followers. Get us out the euro and close the fucking doors this message is not encrypted so message to all politicians you are a waste of time you are not worthy to be british you have batterd what are fore fathers have thought to protect its ovious where we are going. be prepared the civil war is coming enough is enough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So Dave the rave thinks that the terrorists are plotting their actions by sending each other selfies on snapchat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If they catch terrorists before they blow up thousands of people then they can read my messages. They will be looking for keywords and reading the messages of suspects. Have my messages read or risk me or my family and friends being blown up on a train,which almost happened. I know which I choose "
I'm with you. We are in danger and sacrifices need to be made to safeguard our lifestyle and security.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't tell DC that paper burns, and hand written messages can't be intercepted or he will ban the biro!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's all to do with encryption and not being able to crack it, Apple has already come under fire in the US re iOS6, was reported to be the operating platform of choice for certain unscrupulous individuals.

according to an online report I read the likes of whatsapp and snapchat will have to modify their platform a if the law came into effect, so not a blanket ban.

"

The security services -and hence a future government of almost any shade- wouldn't want these things banned at all. What they'd want is the encryption keys made available to the security services so that they can freely read whatever they like. They'd also prefer you not to know that they have that capability, so that if you are up to no good you keep using a channel they can read.

Banning something is no use to the security services. It makes people they've already found and are monitoring hide somewhere else - then they have to find them again and learn how to read their messages with a different, probably stronger, form of encryption.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If they catch terrorists before they blow up thousands of people then they can read my messages. They will be looking for keywords and reading the messages of suspects. Have my messages read or risk me or my family and friends being blown up on a train,which almost happened. I know which I choose I'm with you. We are in danger and sacrifices need to be made to safeguard our lifestyle and security. "

You're accounts will not become safer though, anyone who knows how to hack will be able to get into them...

Do you really want 12 year olds getting into your whatsapp and that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's all to do with encryption and not being able to crack it, Apple has already come under fire in the US re iOS6, was reported to be the operating platform of choice for certain unscrupulous individuals.

according to an online report I read the likes of whatsapp and snapchat will have to modify their platform a if the law came into effect, so not a blanket ban.

The security services -and hence a future government of almost any shade- wouldn't want these things banned at all. What they'd want is the encryption keys made available to the security services so that they can freely read whatever they like. They'd also prefer you not to know that they have that capability, so that if you are up to no good you keep using a channel they can read.

Banning something is no use to the security services. It makes people they've already found and are monitoring hide somewhere else - then they have to find them again and learn how to read their messages with a different, probably stronger, form of encryption."

I didn't read that article or any article actually, got a bit carried away and it's not like me to even comment without getting the facts, think i've got a bit too lax since i joined this site for some reason.

Wonder if there's any actual news that we're being distracted from with this story?

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By *aughtyNurse999Woman
over a year ago

Fabville !!!

One polite word for him .....Twit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"David Cameron don't wanna see what I send on Whatsapp

But we do hehehe

You'll be able to if they ban encryption.

"

certain encryption tools that allow a secret 'back door' on popular platforms ie whatsapp..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If they catch terrorists before they blow up thousands of people then they can read my messages. They will be looking for keywords and reading the messages of suspects. Have my messages read or risk me or my family and friends being blown up on a train,which almost happened. I know which I choose

no no no and no.

Stop allowing goverments to take away our privacy and freedom.

everytime this happens the terrorists win anyway."

Creeping ever so slowly to an authoritarian, if not a police state. "But its for our own good!" Really? Very naive some people.

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By *onitoMan
over a year ago

Milton of Campsie


"Don't tell DC that paper burns, and hand written messages can't be intercepted or he will ban the biro!!! "

Maybe chop hands off convicted terrorists?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If they catch terrorists before they blow up thousands of people then they can read my messages. They will be looking for keywords and reading the messages of suspects. Have my messages read or risk me or my family and friends being blown up on a train,which almost happened. I know which I choose

no no no and no.

Stop allowing goverments to take away our privacy and freedom.

everytime this happens the terrorists win anyway.

Creeping ever so slowly to an authoritarian, if not a police state. "But its for our own good!" Really? Very naive some people."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you were intent on killing innocent people and overthrowing governments, would you use a social media application? Or would you keep it a little more covert?

Remember, Gordon brown thought about putting listening devices into street lights. Its not just the Tories. Its just governments.

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By *onitoMan
over a year ago

Milton of Campsie

Terrorists found ways of communicating way before all this technology was made available and can revert back to it,it only has made it easier.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Banning something is no use to the security services. It makes people they've already found and are monitoring hide somewhere else - then they have to find them again and learn how to read their messages with a different, probably stronger, form of encryption."

It has been illegal to export encryption from the USA to certain countries without first giving the government the masterkey since the 80's, I seriously doubt Apple have enough clout to ignore the US law.

What can be legal is for it to take too long to decrypt massive quantities of messages, in which case it's the governments computers that are too slow for the volume.

But of course there is the dark net, slower by far than the standard net, but encrypted and untraceable communication is perfectly possible. Strangely enough built by the US Navy who then actively encouraged criminals to use it as they need other traffic to hide amongst and with it being quite slow normal internet users didn't have much interest in providing the screen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If they catch terrorists before they blow up thousands of people then they can read my messages. They will be looking for keywords and reading the messages of suspects. Have my messages read or risk me or my family and friends being blown up on a train,which almost happened. I know which I choose

no no no and no.

Stop allowing goverments to take away our privacy and freedom.

everytime this happens the terrorists win anyway."

There is nothing in my life I need to keep secret from the Government. I don't break laws,if they want to know what time I'm picking my grandson up or who I'm having sex with they can. I have nothing to fear. I would like to know if the next door neighbour is plotting to blow up the library I'm about to visit,or the airport my children are flying from

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sure they can already read them if they want but can't act on it or use it in a court of law

Geek

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

Once again people are reacting to poor reporting.

What is being called for is that the security forces are given master encryption keys so that they can read any message encrypted or not.

This give the terrorists the false impression that they are safe because their messages are encrypted but at the same time the security forces can read what is being written and plan accordingly.

It is what the last labour government called for and what most security forces in the world ask for.

Banning is counter productive and makes the security forces job harder

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's all to do with encryption and not being able to crack it, Apple has already come under fire in the US re iOS6, was reported to be the operating platform of choice for certain unscrupulous individuals.

according to an online report I read the likes of whatsapp and snapchat will have to modify their platform a if the law came into effect, so not a blanket ban.

The security services -and hence a future government of almost any shade- wouldn't want these things banned at all. What they'd want is the encryption keys made available to the security services so that they can freely read whatever they like. They'd also prefer you not to know that they have that capability, so that if you are up to no good you keep using a channel they can read.

Banning something is no use to the security services. It makes people they've already found and are monitoring hide somewhere else - then they have to find them again and learn how to read their messages with a different, probably stronger, form of encryption.

I didn't read that article or any article actually, got a bit carried away and it's not like me to even comment without getting the facts, think i've got a bit too lax since i joined this site for some reason.

Wonder if there's any actual news that we're being distracted from with this story?"

according to business insider the Tories will be commenting on Cameron's speech later today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Little off topic but this must be the first thread where I have seen single guys complaining about having their messages read.

Maybe the terrorists will start communicating as single guys via Fab knowing they are safe and will never be read by anyone else....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Little off topic but this must be the first thread where I have seen single guys complaining about having their messages read.

Maybe the terrorists will start communicating as single guys via Fab knowing they are safe and will never be read by anyone else.... "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In a free and open society you'd have to ask why people want to send secretive messages!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whatsapp/kik/voxer/line/wechat etc etc can all be read off the servers atm, the closest you can get to privacy is Telegrams 'secret chat'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If they catch terrorists before they blow up thousands of people then they can read my messages. They will be looking for keywords and reading the messages of suspects. Have my messages read or risk me or my family and friends being blown up on a train,which almost happened. I know which I choose

no no no and no.

Stop allowing goverments to take away our privacy and freedom.

everytime this happens the terrorists win anyway.

There is nothing in my life I need to keep secret from the Government. I don't break laws,if they want to know what time I'm picking my grandson up or who I'm having sex with they can. I have nothing to fear. I would like to know if the next door neighbour is plotting to blow up the library I'm about to visit,or the airport my children are flying from "

Please don't be so laissez faire with your freedoms. They were hard fought. Do you really want the government to have a window into your life? Seriously? Think about the logical conclusions and possible consequences. It might not bother you, but it certainly bothers me. Do you allow strangers to read your diary?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Look at the way the indecency and pornorgraphy laws are changing. How long before you get a knock on your door because your partner has emailed you a picture that the government deem unsuitable. These powers will end up being used for just such a thing. They always do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry but if anyone believes they cant already monitor any form of electronic communication they are very naive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Banning something is no use to the security services. It makes people they've already found and are monitoring hide somewhere else - then they have to find them again and learn how to read their messages with a different, probably stronger, form of encryption.

It has been illegal to export encryption from the USA to certain countries without first giving the government the masterkey since the 80's, I seriously doubt Apple have enough clout to ignore the US law.

What can be legal is for it to take too long to decrypt massive quantities of messages, in which case it's the governments computers that are too slow for the volume.

But of course there is the dark net, slower by far than the standard net, but encrypted and untraceable communication is perfectly possible. Strangely enough built by the US Navy who then actively encouraged criminals to use it as they need other traffic to hide amongst and with it being quite slow normal internet users didn't have much interest in providing the screen.

"

Yep. The US has been playing this game for as long as there's been encryption as has the UK. From an article on US policy about encryption keys 15 years ago: "United States encryption policy is focused on controlling and monitoring the export of strong encryption. In theory, the U.S. seeks to make it relatively easy for companies to export encryption products that include key recovery or key escrow features that allow for government access to encryption keys or the plaintext of encrypted data. By contrast, under most circumstances, U.S. companies cannot export products that use strong encryption (i.e. with a key length greater than 56-bits) if those products do not have key recovery features."

So if an American company sells you or uses an encryption system you can be sure that either the security services can crack it easily (because it's got a weak key) or they've already got the encryption keys 'in escrow'

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest


"

Speaking earlier today, David Cameron, announced his plans for new surveillance laws which could spell the end of popular services such as WhatsApp and Snapchat.

"

If he could ban Kik as well Id be very grateful. I wouldnt have to keep closing all those bleedin' threads where people keep posting their Kik addys in the forums then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry but if anyone believes they cant already monitor any form of electronic communication they are very naive. "

This ^^^^

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By *issHottieBottie OP   Woman
over a year ago

Kent


"Sorry but if anyone believes they cant already monitor any form of electronic communication they are very naive. "
I don't care if they wanna read my texts etc, I was just concerned that they would close the things I use to send em in the first place..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Look at the way the indecency and pornorgraphy laws are changing. How long before you get a knock on your door because your partner has emailed you a picture that the government deem unsuitable. These powers will end up being used for just such a thing. They always do."

You talk about all these freedoms but in reality that is just not the case.

Our sense of freedom comes from societal norms and as long as we continue to abide by these then we perceive ourselves to be 'free', but in reality the overwhelming majority follow the herd.

Actual 'freedom' is a myth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In a free and open society you'd have to ask why people want to send secretive messages!."

Because we should be free to do so. That's the point. Open society means your free to discuss or give your opinion without fear of violent backlash. But we don't even have that now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's all to do with encryption and not being able to crack it, Apple has already come under fire in the US re iOS6, was reported to be the operating platform of choice for certain unscrupulous individuals.

according to an online report I read the likes of whatsapp and snapchat will have to modify their platform a if the law came into effect, so not a blanket ban.

The security services -and hence a future government of almost any shade- wouldn't want these things banned at all. What they'd want is the encryption keys made available to the security services so that they can freely read whatever they like. They'd also prefer you not to know that they have that capability, so that if you are up to no good you keep using a channel they can read.

Banning something is no use to the security services. It makes people they've already found and are monitoring hide somewhere else - then they have to find them again and learn how to read their messages with a different, probably stronger, form of encryption.

I didn't read that article or any article actually, got a bit carried away and it's not like me to even comment without getting the facts, think i've got a bit too lax since i joined this site for some reason.

Wonder if there's any actual news that we're being distracted from with this story?

according to business insider the Tories will be commenting on Cameron's speech later today."

Whooo...think i'll go look for sex instead...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry but if anyone believes they cant already monitor any form of electronic communication they are very naive. I don't care if they wanna read my texts etc, I was just concerned that they would close the things I use to send em in the first place.."

Not a chance of that happening - besides they'd probably treat your account as enjoyable recreational reading as a break from all that secret squirrel stuff.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Look at the way the indecency and pornorgraphy laws are changing. How long before you get a knock on your door because your partner has emailed you a picture that the government deem unsuitable. These powers will end up being used for just such a thing. They always do.

You talk about all these freedoms but in reality that is just not the case.

Our sense of freedom comes from societal norms and as long as we continue to abide by these then we perceive ourselves to be 'free', but in reality the overwhelming majority follow the herd.

Actual 'freedom' is a myth."

I know we have never had it. That's why its important to cling yo the freedoms we do have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In a free and open society you'd have to ask why people want to send secretive messages!.

Because we should be free to do so. That's the point. Open society means your free to discuss or give your opinion without fear of violent backlash. But we don't even have that now."

We have never had that, it's just the 'perception' of free speech we have.

We have never been truly free to say what we want and when you look at it this is the price we pay for living in a 'civilised' society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Look at the way the indecency and pornorgraphy laws are changing. How long before you get a knock on your door because your partner has emailed you a picture that the government deem unsuitable. These powers will end up being used for just such a thing. They always do.

You talk about all these freedoms but in reality that is just not the case.

Our sense of freedom comes from societal norms and as long as we continue to abide by these then we perceive ourselves to be 'free', but in reality the overwhelming majority follow the herd.

Actual 'freedom' is a myth.

I know we have never had it. That's why its important to cling yo the freedoms we do have."

What freedoms are these?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is he just doing all this snooping so he can pass showbiz secrets to the Murdoch press?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If they catch terrorists before they blow up thousands of people then they can read my messages. They will be looking for keywords and reading the messages of suspects. Have my messages read or risk me or my family and friends being blown up on a train,which almost happened. I know which I choose

This ^^

no no no and no.

Stop allowing goverments to take away our privacy and freedom.

everytime this happens the terrorists win anyway.

There is nothing in my life I need to keep secret from the Government. I don't break laws,if they want to know what time I'm picking my grandson up or who I'm having sex with they can. I have nothing to fear. I would like to know if the next door neighbour is plotting to blow up the library I'm about to visit,or the airport my children are flying from "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If they catch terrorists before they blow up thousands of people then they can read my messages. They will be looking for keywords and reading the messages of suspects. Have my messages read or risk me or my family and friends being blown up on a train,which almost happened. I know which I choose

no no no and no.

Stop allowing goverments to take away our privacy and freedom.

everytime this happens the terrorists win anyway.

There is nothing in my life I need to keep secret from the Government. I don't break laws,if they want to know what time I'm picking my grandson up or who I'm having sex with they can. I have nothing to fear. I would like to know if the next door neighbour is plotting to blow up the library I'm about to visit,or the airport my children are flying from

Please don't be so laissez faire with your freedoms. They were hard fought. Do you really want the government to have a window into your life? Seriously? Think about the logical conclusions and possible consequences. It might not bother you, but it certainly bothers me. Do you allow strangers to read your diary?"

If I were doing anything illegal I would be worried. Billions of messages are sent via various methods every day ,if they have the time to read about my mundane life I'll be surprised

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is he just doing all this snooping so he can pass showbiz secrets to the Murdoch press?"

It is done to protect our society from threats both external and internal.

By your logic everyone should have the right to discuss things privately. This blanket approach would allow law abiding citizens and terrorists to communicate whatever they wanted to without impunity.

I think it is a small price to pay, to have protect from heinous acts of violence, allowing the powers that be to have access to whatever messages I send or receive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is he just doing all this snooping so he can pass showbiz secrets to the Murdoch press?

It is done to protect our society from threats both external and internal.

By your logic everyone should have the right to discuss things privately. This blanket approach would allow law abiding citizens and terrorists to communicate whatever they wanted to without impunity.

I think it is a small price to pay, to have protect from heinous acts of violence, allowing the powers that be to have access to whatever messages I send or receive.

"

Sorry I meant with impunity, still a bit early

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Look at the way the indecency and pornorgraphy laws are changing. How long before you get a knock on your door because your partner has emailed you a picture that the government deem unsuitable. These powers will end up being used for just such a thing. They always do.

You talk about all these freedoms but in reality that is just not the case.

Our sense of freedom comes from societal norms and as long as we continue to abide by these then we perceive ourselves to be 'free', but in reality the overwhelming majority follow the herd.

Actual 'freedom' is a myth.

I know we have never had it. That's why its important to cling yo the freedoms we do have.

What freedoms are these?

"

The supposed ones, like a right to a private life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most likely its another media scare to make the terrorists etc think they are or will be monitored, when in reality MI5 etc can and do already track and monitor any form of communication.

If your not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about, or simply dont use them lol ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To any government agency that may be reading this then................. Fab the wife's pics while your preventing Jihadist Armageddon

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

I spent sometime in N. Ireland when there were troubles there. I remember the first time I was picked up from Harbour airport to be taken to Belfast centre, we were stopped three times by road blocks.

When I questioned the driver about being annoyed about this, he answered something like, "I'd be more annoyed if they didn't and a bomb got through.

Think I'd be thinking the same if a group of terrorists were in my children school.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If they catch terrorists before they blow up thousands of people then they can read my messages. They will be looking for keywords and reading the messages of suspects. Have my messages read or risk me or my family and friends being blown up on a train,which almost happened. I know which I choose

no no no and no.

Stop allowing goverments to take away our privacy and freedom.

everytime this happens the terrorists win anyway.

There is nothing in my life I need to keep secret from the Government. I don't break laws,if they want to know what time I'm picking my grandson up or who I'm having sex with they can. I have nothing to fear. I would like to know if the next door neighbour is plotting to blow up the library I'm about to visit,or the airport my children are flying from

Please don't be so laissez faire with your freedoms. They were hard fought. Do you really want the government to have a window into your life? Seriously? Think about the logical conclusions and possible consequences. It might not bother you, but it certainly bothers me. Do you allow strangers to read your diary?

If I were doing anything illegal I would be worried. Billions of messages are sent via various methods every day ,if they have the time to read about my mundane life I'll be surprised "

Being on here isn't illegal yet. Give them the right to snoop, then the laws change. It's a very old ploy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Blimy, we'll have to start using the royal mail again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Blimy, we'll have to start using the royal mail again."

Lol imagine how long that would take to arrange a meet !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Look at the way the indecency and pornorgraphy laws are changing. How long before you get a knock on your door because your partner has emailed you a picture that the government deem unsuitable. These powers will end up being used for just such a thing. They always do.

You talk about all these freedoms but in reality that is just not the case.

Our sense of freedom comes from societal norms and as long as we continue to abide by these then we perceive ourselves to be 'free', but in reality the overwhelming majority follow the herd.

Actual 'freedom' is a myth.

I know we have never had it. That's why its important to cling yo the freedoms we do have.

What freedoms are these?

The supposed ones, like a right to a private life."

You do have a right to a private life but once you start communicating with others then by definition it is not private and this dilutes with the more you engage in your communication.

But more specifically what freedoms are those that 'we' have fought for? You haven't elaborated on them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Blimy, we'll have to start using the royal mail again."

Have you seen the price of stamps??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is he just doing all this snooping so he can pass showbiz secrets to the Murdoch press?

It is done to protect our society from threats both external and internal.

By your logic everyone should have the right to discuss things privately. This blanket approach would allow law abiding citizens and terrorists to communicate whatever they wanted to without impunity.

I think it is a small price to pay, to have protect from heinous acts of violence, allowing the powers that be to have access to whatever messages I send or receive.

"

I think its a very high price to pay. I put more value on my personal freedoms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To any government agency that may be reading this then................. Fab the wife's pics while your preventing Jihadist Armageddon "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If they catch terrorists before they blow up thousands of people then they can read my messages. They will be looking for keywords and reading the messages of suspects. Have my messages read or risk me or my family and friends being blown up on a train,which almost happened. I know which I choose

no no no and no.

Stop allowing goverments to take away our privacy and freedom.

everytime this happens the terrorists win anyway.

There is nothing in my life I need to keep secret from the Government. I don't break laws,if they want to know what time I'm picking my grandson up or who I'm having sex with they can. I have nothing to fear. I would like to know if the next door neighbour is plotting to blow up the library I'm about to visit,or the airport my children are flying from

Please don't be so laissez faire with your freedoms. They were hard fought. Do you really want the government to have a window into your life? Seriously? Think about the logical conclusions and possible consequences. It might not bother you, but it certainly bothers me. Do you allow strangers to read your diary?

If I were doing anything illegal I would be worried. Billions of messages are sent via various methods every day ,if they have the time to read about my mundane life I'll be surprised

Being on here isn't illegal yet. Give them the right to snoop, then the laws change. It's a very old ploy."

Why would being on here ever be illegal? If it was I wouldn't be on here. They already catch celebs and mps doing disgusting sexual things with people they aren't married to. People talk,they don't need to snoop

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to add to the paranoia lol, the fact that several key words have been mentioned in this thread ( MI5, terrorist , bomb, jihadist etc ) Will have flagged up and they will now be watching lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Blimy, we'll have to start using the royal mail again.

Lol imagine how long that would take to arrange a meet !!! "

I don't think the postman could bear all those complaints from single males about getting no mail.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In a free and open society you'd have to ask why people want to send secretive messages!.

Because we should be free to do so. That's the point. Open society means your free to discuss or give your opinion without fear of violent backlash. But we don't even have that now."
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That was my exact point my friend! The problem is not secretive messages but the reason for wanting to be secretive!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just to add to the paranoia lol, the fact that several key words have been mentioned in this thread ( MI5, terrorist , bomb, jihadist etc ) Will have flagged up and they will now be watching lol "

Ears are twitching in GCHQ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If they catch terrorists before they blow up thousands of people then they can read my messages. They will be looking for keywords and reading the messages of suspects. Have my messages read or risk me or my family and friends being blown up on a train,which almost happened. I know which I choose

"

Nice to see some people still have common sense


"no no no and no.

Stop allowing goverments to take away our privacy and freedom.

"

Dissapointing to see many still don't


"

There is nothing in my life I need to keep secret from the Government. I don't break laws,if they want to know what time I'm picking my grandson up or who I'm having sex with they can. I have nothing to fear. I would like to know if the next door neighbour is plotting to blow up the library I'm about to visit,or the airport my children are flying from "

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I have nothing to hide so they can read what they like. I am guessing it could already be happening anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just to add to the paranoia lol, the fact that several key words have been mentioned in this thread ( MI5, terrorist , bomb, jihadist etc ) Will have flagged up and they will now be watching lol

Ears are twitching in GCHQ..."

Let's help wishy washy Dave out.. No more private messaging on here say everything on the open forum .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have nothing to hide so they can read what they like. I am guessing it could already be happening anyway "

Exactly, and i for one am glad there are people looking out for us in the background

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's already been proven that there snooping on everyone with Facebook and twitter.

People were so concerned about privacy those two forms of social media have been decimated... Oh hang on!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is he just doing all this snooping so he can pass showbiz secrets to the Murdoch press?

It is done to protect our society from threats both external and internal.

By your logic everyone should have the right to discuss things privately. This blanket approach would allow law abiding citizens and terrorists to communicate whatever they wanted to without impunity.

I think it is a small price to pay, to have protect from heinous acts of violence, allowing the powers that be to have access to whatever messages I send or receive.

I think its a very high price to pay. I put more value on my personal freedoms."

But that is exactly the problem, you, we, everyone in general does not have personal freedoms, it's a myth.

We don't have freedom of speech, you can't even stand and make a public speech at the Speakers Corner without permission and an outline of what you want to say.

We do not have freedom of expression, you cannot drink or smoke now in certain public.

You don't have the right to withdraw your labour, you cannot met with more than a certain number of people without it being illegal. A simple game of five a side in the park is technically breaking the law.

So you live here, knowing all this and yet you still think you have personal freedoms. I don't think we have, I think we have societal freedoms and as long as we obey them then everything is hunky dory.

Would love to know what personal freedom you have though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Without the government snooping using cctv I would have the right to walk down a street at night without being spied on. The man following me with the intent to harm me would also be free to do that. I would be free to message a man and send him a pic,a terrorist would be free to arrange a bombing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just to add to the paranoia lol, the fact that several key words have been mentioned in this thread ( MI5, terrorist , bomb, jihadist etc ) Will have flagged up and they will now be watching lol "

That's why I said it, we need the fabs

One of Mrs N's pics only needs a couple of hundred to reach 1000. How many work at GCHQ, MI5, CIA etc

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"I have nothing to hide so they can read what they like. I am guessing it could already be happening anyway

Exactly, and i for one am glad there are people looking out for us in the background "

Agreed. There would be many complaints if they were not monitoring and missing lots.

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

Always appeared to be a bit of a paradox to me, people want freedom of speech, yet not the freedom to be listened too.

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"If they catch terrorists before they blow up thousands of people then they can read my messages. They will be looking for keywords and reading the messages of suspects. Have my messages read or risk me or my family and friends being blown up on a train,which almost happened. I know which I choose

Nice to see some people still have common sense

no no no and no.

Stop allowing goverments to take away our privacy and freedom.

Dissapointing to see many still don't

There is nothing in my life I need to keep secret from the Government. I don't break laws,if they want to know what time I'm picking my grandson up or who I'm having sex with they can. I have nothing to fear. I would like to know if the next door neighbour is plotting to blow up the library I'm about to visit,or the airport my children are flying from

"

Andy its people like you why one day obama or who ever is im control at the time will get the internet kill switch bill passed.

I shall repeat again the qoute by Benjamin Franklin which I whole heartedly agree with.

"Sacrafice your freedoms for security and you deserve neither"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They 'lost' all the paperwork that was looking into peadophiles in parliament.

It's all bullshit at the end of the day. Don't even know why they want to look into everything we say and do when they can't even deal with the important stuff that really needs 'spying' on, that's going on in their own clique.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If they catch terrorists before they blow up thousands of people then they can read my messages. They will be looking for keywords and reading the messages of suspects. Have my messages read or risk me or my family and friends being blown up on a train,which almost happened. I know which I choose

Nice to see some people still have common sense

no no no and no.

Stop allowing goverments to take away our privacy and freedom.

Dissapointing to see many still don't

There is nothing in my life I need to keep secret from the Government. I don't break laws,if they want to know what time I'm picking my grandson up or who I'm having sex with they can. I have nothing to fear. I would like to know if the next door neighbour is plotting to blow up the library I'm about to visit,or the airport my children are flying from

Andy its people like you why one day obama or who ever is im control at the time will get the internet kill switch bill passed.

I shall repeat again the qoute by Benjamin Franklin which I whole heartedly agree with.

"Sacrafice your freedoms for security and you deserve neither"

"

Franklin was a truly great man but even he was not adverse to snooping in others private correspondence for the sake of what he perceived as the greater good.

In fact his actions seem to totally contradict the quote you mention.

It would appear you agree with a hypocrite and that of all the great things he did, spelling was not one of them....

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

It is due to terrorists used ng these apps that is the coconcernwith everything going on now they are only trying to keep an eye on the bad guys.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It wont happened as they wont stay in power in 4 months time. Noone in their right mind would vote for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Remember in the cold war when we used to pity those in the Eastern Block countries who had their commication tapped and movements restricted? Now some people seem to be welcoming the same things with open arms.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Remember in the cold war when we used to pity those in the Eastern Block countries who had their commication tapped and movements restricted? Now some people seem to be welcoming the same things with open arms.

"

and has anyone said the cliche 'if your doing nothing wrong you have nothing to fear' yet..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I take national security very seriously. At the moment I am renting a house to four nurses. I have secretly installed CCTV in the showers and their bedrooms just to make sure they are not making bombs or plotting an atrocity. All is well so far but I'll keep on checking just in case. You can all thank me later.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I take national security very seriously. At the moment I am renting a house to four nurses. I have secretly installed CCTV in the showers and their bedrooms just to make sure they are not making bombs or plotting an atrocity. All is well so far but I'll keep on checking just in case. You can all thank me later. "

It was secret till now lol, MI5 have just hacked into said camera's lol

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I take national security very seriously. At the moment I am renting a house to four nurses. I have secretly installed CCTV in the showers and their bedrooms just to make sure they are not making bombs or plotting an atrocity. All is well so far but I'll keep on checking just in case. You can all thank me later. "

to keep it all above board i will happily volunteer to independently verify the footage..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I take national security very seriously. At the moment I am renting a house to four nurses. I have secretly installed CCTV in the showers and their bedrooms just to make sure they are not making bombs or plotting an atrocity. All is well so far but I'll keep on checking just in case. You can all thank me later.

to keep it all above board i will happily volunteer to independently verify the footage.. "

I do probably need a second opinion. They were talking about bullets last night.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Blimy, we'll have to start using the royal mail again.

Lol imagine how long that would take to arrange a meet !!! "
And The price of postage stamps too..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I take national security very seriously. At the moment I am renting a house to four nurses. I have secretly installed CCTV in the showers and their bedrooms just to make sure they are not making bombs or plotting an atrocity. All is well so far but I'll keep on checking just in case. You can all thank me later.

to keep it all above board i will happily volunteer to independently verify the footage..

I do probably need a second opinion. They were talking about bullets last night. "

bullets are ok its when they discuss rabbits you need to really watch carefully..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I take national security very seriously. At the moment I am renting a house to four nurses. I have secretly installed CCTV in the showers and their bedrooms just to make sure they are not making bombs or plotting an atrocity. All is well so far but I'll keep on checking just in case. You can all thank me later. "

Your bathroom light has blown

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I take national security very seriously. At the moment I am renting a house to four nurses. I have secretly installed CCTV in the showers and their bedrooms just to make sure they are not making bombs or plotting an atrocity. All is well so far but I'll keep on checking just in case. You can all thank me later.

Your bathroom light has blown "

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"Remember in the cold war when we used to pity those in the Eastern Block countries who had their commication tapped and movements restricted? Now some people seem to be welcoming the same things with open arms.

and has anyone said the cliche 'if your doing nothing wrong you have nothing to fear' yet..?"

I more or less said that yes. It is true too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If he wants to read everything on my phone then i should be able to read his! Bet he wont want that will he!

I can see a hell of a lot of younger people voting for someone else to be PM just to get rid of him now

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By *onitoMan
over a year ago

Milton of Campsie


"Remember in the cold war when we used to pity those in the Eastern Block countries who had their commication tapped and movements restricted? Now some people seem to be welcoming the same things with open arms.

"

Won't be long before we get arrested for speaking against the govt lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not bothered, before Snowdon came along people were ignorant but happy and the security services were able to do their jobs.

Only people with something to hide should be bothered.

If my texts or messages are read and make some guy in a dark room laugh then who cares.

If reading my texts keeps me safe then I'm all for it.

I reckon a lot of people could attempt to hack these services anyway for reasons that aren't so honest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Remember in the cold war when we used to pity those in the Eastern Block countries who had their commication tapped and movements restricted? Now some people seem to be welcoming the same things with open arms.

Won't be long before we get arrested for speaking against the govt lol"

True, ironically we'll be classed as terrorist threats for doing so.

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield


"It wont happened as they wont stay in power in 4 months time. Noone in their right mind would vote for them."

It will happen because any Labour government would bring it in as well.

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By *i-shoptonMan
over a year ago

bishopton

Just like the NHS funding, 'anti- terrorist legislation needs mature cross party discussion and agreement........ Terrorism is way beyond ridiculous political point scoring- as is the NHS

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It wont happened as they wont stay in power in 4 months time. Noone in their right mind would vote for them.

It will happen because any Labour government would bring it in as well."

The labour party did eventually throw out the ID card and electronic tracking of people entering London plans, though only on cost and risk basis nothing to do with civil liberty.

Biggest problem that the security services have is the government want them to track all communication on all mediums and there is a LOT of it which makes the job of actually catching simple code words even if the code is already broken almost impossible in the cacophony of noise.

Plus it is not just government, many private companies are also hanging on your every word and location so they can sell advertising space in your head,

Watch Out, Watch Out there is a Google about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I take national security very seriously. At the moment I am renting a house to four nurses. I have secretly installed CCTV in the showers and their bedrooms just to make sure they are not making bombs or plotting an atrocity. All is well so far but I'll keep on checking just in case. You can all thank me later.

Your bathroom light has blown

"

It's ok,I put a new one in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What next Mr Cameron listening to my phone calls and reading my mail

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