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"Common ed miliband to win, we will c Cameron in the jungle eating crickets next year lol "More chance of you getting your cock milked tonight, in Penge | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government." How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!  | |||
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"Common ed miliband to win, we will c Cameron in the jungle eating crickets next year lol
More chance of you getting your cock milked tonight, in Penge"lol no labour gonna win it. | |||
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"Common ed miliband to win, we will c Cameron in the jungle eating crickets next year lol
More chance of you getting your cock milked tonight, in Pengelol no labour gonna win it."If that happens could the last person leaving the country turn the lights off! Shit and rocking horse come to mind.....  | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards! "Still..... Better that than the tories though! | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! "I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars. | |||
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"Common ed miliband to win, we will c Cameron in the jungle eating crickets next year lol
More chance of you getting your cock milked tonight, in Pengelol no labour gonna win it. If that happens could the last person leaving the country turn the lights off! Shit and rocking horse come to mind..... " | |||
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"Doesn't it say volumes that most people are looking at who they don't want rather than who they positively support. Reckon it will be a hung parliament....and 5 more years of crap regardless of who sits in number 10." They should hung  | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards! "
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government." Oh i suppose youve forgotten all the boundary changes made by thatchers government to increase their seats in the commons but you would conveniently with a tory bias wouldnt you . And before you shout about me being a labour supporter, i am not i hate them all and vote for the policies i believe in no matter whose but to be honest most dont fulfill their pledges anyway, they usually state we will do if elected again which demonstrates their importance is winning elections not resolving the countries issues | |||
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"I must be losing track again, I thought the boundary changes were the first act of this government about the same time as the lost vote on changing the voting system. Though the biggest boundary change also failed so Scotland will still be part of the UK "Yes I think you are losing track. The much needed boundary changes were part of the coalition deal thrashed out in 2010. Problem is that the Limp Dims promised to support it in exchange for the referendum on PR. They got, then lost the referendum then in a fit of pique ratted on the boundary changes. | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars. "And thatcher was acting with the uk, interest wasnt she when she sent our troops to protect the falklands, she didnt use it to increase her popularity because she was losing miserably in the polls, and she acted illegally when authorising the sinking of the belgrano which was sailing away from the british fleet at the time. People have selective memories regarding their party, also dont forget it was 2 senior tory ministers who were prepared to let 2 innocent westland helicopter directors go to prison to cover up their illicet dealings so the tories have blood and shit on their hands also | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars. "I don't vote labour. I vote green. But anyone is better than a Tory. I've been unemployed. I know what it was like being unemployed under Labour, that was bad enough. I would hate to experience it again under the Tories. | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars.
And thatcher was acting with the uk, interest wasnt she when she sent our troops to protect the falklands, she didnt use it to increase her popularity because she was losing miserably in the polls, and she acted illegally when authorising the sinking of the belgrano which was sailing away from the british fleet at the time.
People have selective memories regarding their party, also dont forget it was 2 senior tory ministers who were prepared to let 2 innocent westland helicopter directors go to prison to cover up their illicet dealings so the tories have blood and shit on their hands also"The Falklands was a legitimate war, the islands are populated by people of British descent unlike Iraq and Afghanistan. Argentina should not have sent the Belgrano there, it was ripe for sinking....it was a warship. How you can compare the two I have no idea. | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. Oh i suppose youve forgotten all the boundary changes made by thatchers government to increase their seats in the commons but you would conveniently with a tory bias wouldnt you . And before you shout about me being a labour supporter, i am not i hate them all and vote for the policies i believe in no matter whose but to be honest most dont fulfill their pledges anyway, they usually state we will do if elected again which demonstrates their importance is winning elections not resolving the countries issues" What on earth are you on about? Complete rubbish. Boundary changes are recommended to parliament by the four independent boundary commissions, one each for England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. They make their recommendations every eight to twelve years based on a set of strict rules then parliament can either vote to accept or reject them, but cannot alter them. This time the review was cancelled at the behest of Clegg. No party can change boundary's to suit themselves. They can only adopt or not or, as in the latest one cancel. | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards! ". Brown practically did work for the city! Most of his policies were devised by them for them. He sold the gold off for them when he was asked to by.... Banks, when they said we need bailouts, he gave them them No different than it currently is with Osbourne, the Tories promised a myriad of banking reform while in opposition but did fuck all once in power. If hsbc say jump, Osbourne will jump just like brown  | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars.
I don't vote labour. I vote green. But anyone is better than a Tory. I've been unemployed. I know what it was like being unemployed under
Labour, that was bad enough. I would hate to experience it again under the Tories. "Voting Green? Be very careful what you wish for. In Germany the Greens are much more powerful than in the UK and the restrictions, and in some cases bans, on everyday household items are a nightmare. Ye gods you can't even buy a bottle of bleach. We have to smuggle it in from Spain every time we do a car run. In the last German election legalising incest was in their manifesto, and don't get me started on what a bollox they have made of running Brighton. If there is a real raving loony party it is well and truly them. | |||
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"To be honest we're gonna be screwed whoever wins the election in May Perhaps the best result would be a 3 way coalition so the politicians have to work together instead of bitching and trying to undo what the previous govt did....?? Nope .... We're all doomed!!!" i think thats spot on .no party deserves to lead this country they are all bloody hopeless and dont give a flying f*ck for anyone but themselves | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards! .
Brown practically did work for the city! Most of his policies were devised by them for them. He sold the gold off for them when he was asked to by.... Banks, when they said we need bailouts, he gave them them No different than it currently is with Osbourne, the Tories promised a myriad of banking reform while in opposition but did fuck all once in power.
If hsbc say jump, Osbourne will jump just like brown ".. Oh I should have added if he'd actually worked for the city... The chances of him being attested for fraud would be absolutely nil. | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars.
I don't vote labour. I vote green. But anyone is better than a Tory. I've been unemployed. I know what it was like being unemployed under
Labour, that was bad enough. I would hate to experience it again under the Tories.
Voting Green?
Be very careful what you wish for.
In Germany the Greens are much more powerful than in the UK and the restrictions, and in some cases bans, on everyday household items are a nightmare. Ye gods you can't even buy a bottle of bleach. We have to smuggle it in from Spain every time we do a car run.
In the last German election legalising incest was in their manifesto, and don't get me started on what a bollox they have made of running Brighton.
If there is a real raving loony party it is well and truly them.
". 16 year green party member, and yeah I'll agree with you we're the biggest bunch of "loons" your likely to meet in politics. But that is judging us on current values, were outside the box thinkers so we appear at first glance ..eccentric. But right now the world needs outside the box thinking. The current set of political mentality is open for all to see the results of. | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars.
I don't vote labour. I vote green. But anyone is better than a Tory. I've been unemployed. I know what it was like being unemployed under
Labour, that was bad enough. I would hate to experience it again under the Tories.
Voting Green?
Be very careful what you wish for.
In Germany the Greens are much more powerful than in the UK and the restrictions, and in some cases bans, on everyday household items are a nightmare. Ye gods you can't even buy a bottle of bleach. We have to smuggle it in from Spain every time we do a car run.
In the last German election legalising incest was in their manifesto, and don't get me started on what a bollox they have made of running Brighton.
If there is a real raving loony party it is well and truly them.
"I don't need bleach in my house. Neither, I suspect do you. What has the German green party got to do with the UK's incest laws? Nothing. I care about my planet and my children's environment. Money is just a "would like", clean air and water are necessities. | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars.
And thatcher was acting with the uk, interest wasnt she when she sent our troops to protect the falklands, she didnt use it to increase her popularity because she was losing miserably in the polls, and she acted illegally when authorising the sinking of the belgrano which was sailing away from the british fleet at the time.
People have selective memories regarding their party, also dont forget it was 2 senior tory ministers who were prepared to let 2 innocent westland helicopter directors go to prison to cover up their illicet dealings so the tories have blood and shit on their hands also The Falklands was a legitimate war, the islands are populated by people of British descent unlike Iraq and Afghanistan. Argentina should not have sent the Belgrano there, it was ripe for sinking....it was a warship. How you can compare the two I have no idea. " | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars.
I don't vote labour. I vote green. But anyone is better than a Tory. I've been unemployed. I know what it was like being unemployed under
Labour, that was bad enough. I would hate to experience it again under the Tories.
Voting Green?
Be very careful what you wish for.
In Germany the Greens are much more powerful than in the UK and the restrictions, and in some cases bans, on everyday household items are a nightmare. Ye gods you can't even buy a bottle of bleach. We have to smuggle it in from Spain every time we do a car run.
In the last German election legalising incest was in their manifesto, and don't get me started on what a bollox they have made of running Brighton.
If there is a real raving loony party it is well and truly them.
I don't need bleach in my house. Neither, I suspect do you. What has the German green party got to do with the UK's incest laws? Nothing. I care about my planet and my children's environment. Money is just a "would like", clean air and water are necessities."You would be surprised how much bleach you use. In the UK most toilet cleaners contain it, not in Germany we pay through the nose for bleach free crap that doesn't work (pardon the puns) Many household cleaning products contain it, but are all banned in Germany and the "green" replacements are again crap and cost a fortune. The German green party has nothing to do with the UK's incest laws YET. The European green movements are very closely linked and what starts in one country very quickly goes international. Notice you didn't come back at me about the slow motion train wreck that is green controlled Brighton LOL | |||
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 igate with the nation’s accounts, the Tories were – the biggest deficit in Labour’s 11 pre-crash years (1997-2008) was 3.3% of GDP whereas the Thatcher-Major governments racked up deficits bigger than that in 10 out of their 18 years. And once the bankers had created the deficit, Labour chose the right way to reduce it; the Tories chose the wrong way. Alastair Darling, the last Labour Chancellor, brought in two stimulus budgets in 2009-10 which dramatically cut the deficit by £40bn in two years; Osborne’s austerity budgets then slowed deficit reduction to a trickle which has now, in this fiscal year, come to a dead stop… To cap it all, the deficit, which is supposed to justify the last 6 awful years of austerity and now the 5 next years when Osborne has declared he will make £30bn more spending cuts, is actually increasing! | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards! "Thatcher started the deregulation, Blair and Brown went along with that and given the tax receipts from the financial sector were about 23% of GDP before the global crash its not rocket science to assume that any Gpovernmant would have followed the same course and very bit of legislation taken was endorsed by the Tories too.. were they did fuck up when we look at stuff with the benefit of hindsight was in running too high a defecit, too much PFI etc but again that was a 'free market' initiative designed to con the public and further the private over public sectors started by err.. yes Thatcher.. on the war the Tories again were in complete agreement so its a mute point.. | |||
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"the bailing out of the banks was necessary by whomever was in power.. to have not done so was to allow disaster" . I was kinda looking forward to the global reset of money! | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars.
And thatcher was acting with the uk, interest wasnt she when she sent our troops to protect the falklands, she didnt use it to increase her popularity because she was losing miserably in the polls, and she acted illegally when authorising the sinking of the belgrano which was sailing away from the british fleet at the time.
People have selective memories regarding their party, also dont forget it was 2 senior tory ministers who were prepared to let 2 innocent westland helicopter directors go to prison to cover up their illicet dealings so the tories have blood and shit on their hands also The Falklands was a legitimate war, the islands are populated by people of British descent unlike Iraq and Afghanistan. Argentina should not have sent the Belgrano there, it was ripe for sinking....it was a warship. How you can compare the two I have no idea. "Your absolutely correct you have no idea! | |||
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"........and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. ......" It was pretty realistic to those who left blood and body parts in the sand. | |||
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"As for the incest laws, do you honestly see those changing here? Really? If so, you have a low opinion of most of our population. " No not really. But I don't think I would want to vote for a party that supports it. | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government." | |||
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"So please tell us where in the green partys manifesto, it mentions changing our incest laws. It doesnt. Your just presuming it will." It's Green Party policy in parts of mainland Europe. | |||
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"I must be losing track again, I thought the boundary changes were the first act of this government about the same time as the lost vote on changing the voting system. Though the biggest boundary change also failed so Scotland will still be part of the UK "Lib dems renaged on their promise to support making the boundaries fair...because Torys reneged on House of Lords reform! | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. Oh i suppose youve forgotten all the boundary changes made by thatchers government to increase their seats in the commons but you would conveniently with a tory bias wouldnt you . And before you shout about me being a labour supporter, i am not i hate them all and vote for the policies i believe in no matter whose but to be honest most dont fulfill their pledges anyway, they usually state we will do if elected again which demonstrates their importance is winning elections not resolving the countries issues" Actually you're wrong. It's not party politics. Don't take my word for it, go and look it up yourself and find out. There had always been s bias towards labour in the distribution of seats, even if you don't include Scotland, since the war. The boundary commission is meant to redress the balance but it's done a pretty poor chob of it over the last 20 to 30 years. That's why it's possible for Labour to get an overall majority in parliament on just over 35% of the vote while the conservatives might still struggle at 45% or more. And the conservatives did not change the boundaries in their favour, the bias to labour increased even in the Thatcher years. To be fair labour has not actually deliberately tried to manipulate the boundaries they jusy did not fix the system when they could and should have. Go check it out for yourself. | |||
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"I bet the UKIP party has a big sway this year " I think you'll find UKIP will be less of force than was once thought. | |||
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"I must be losing track again, I thought the boundary changes were the first act of this government about the same time as the lost vote on changing the voting system. Though the biggest boundary change also failed so Scotland will still be part of the UK Yes I think you are losing track. The much needed boundary changes were part of the coalition deal thrashed out in 2010. Problem is that the Limp Dims promised to support it in exchange for the referendum on PR. They got, then lost the referendum then in a fit of pique ratted on the boundary changes." Actually it was reform of the house of lords. The usual conservative rebels refused to pack the lords reform, which had been s lib dem plan, so the lib Dems decided not to support the changes to the boundaries commission. I personally blame the Tory rebels. It's not like the house of lords doesn't need reform.  | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars.
And thatcher was acting with the uk, interest wasnt she when she sent our troops to protect the falklands, she didnt use it to increase her popularity because she was losing miserably in the polls, and she acted illegally when authorising the sinking of the belgrano which was sailing away from the british fleet at the time.
People have selective memories regarding their party, also dont forget it was 2 senior tory ministers who were prepared to let 2 innocent westland helicopter directors go to prison to cover up their illicet dealings so the tories have blood and shit on their hands also"You keep saying all that tosh about Mrs. T being a war criminal. The more time you spend on that old chestnut the better. No one believes it. Even the Captain of the Belgrano has said it's a ridiculous accusation but waist your time on it, feel free. The more time you spend trying to make that un stickable lie stick the less time you'll spend spreading the rest of your lies that might be more convincing. | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars.
And thatcher was acting with the uk, interest wasnt she when she sent our troops to protect the falklands, she didnt use it to increase her popularity because she was losing miserably in the polls, and she acted illegally when authorising the sinking of the belgrano which was sailing away from the british fleet at the time.
People have selective memories regarding their party, also dont forget it was 2 senior tory ministers who were prepared to let 2 innocent westland helicopter directors go to prison to cover up their illicet dealings so the tories have blood and shit on their hands also
You keep saying all that tosh about Mrs. T being a war criminal. The more time you spend on that old chestnut the better. No one believes it. Even the Captain of the Belgrano has said it's a ridiculous accusation but waist your time on it, feel free. The more time you spend trying to make that un stickable lie stick the less time you'll spend spreading the rest of your lies that might be more convincing."Ah the immortal words of a typical thatcherite so far up her arse you can see camerons shoes lol You obviously have a tory bias and nothing will change your view of her, maybe necrofillia would be your cup of tea, dig her up and fuck her the way she fucked us all good luck. I hate all political parties i just hate the Tories more than all the others | |||
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Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars.
I don't vote labour. I vote green. But anyone is better than a Tory. I've been unemployed. I know what it was like being unemployed under
Labour, that was bad enough. I would hate to experience it again under the Tories.
Voting Green?
Be very careful what you wish for.
In Germany the Greens are much more powerful than in the UK and the restrictions, and in some cases bans, on everyday household items are a nightmare. Ye gods you can't even buy a bottle of bleach. We have to smuggle it in from Spain every time we do a car run.
In the last German election legalising incest was in their manifesto, and don't get me started on what a bollox they have made of running Brighton.
If there is a real raving loony party it is well and truly them.
I don't need bleach in my house. Neither, I suspect do you. What has the German green party got to do with the UK's incest laws? Nothing. I care about my planet and my children's environment. Money is just a "would like", clean air and water are necessities."We all care about the planet, our children and the environment, UKIP, SNP, Conservative, Labour, Lib Dems and all. The only difference is that we don't believe that going back to the stone age is the only or best way of doing that. | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards! "So bloody true. Both Blair and Bush should stand trial for their downright lies, and for the deaths of many,many thousands of people. And God help us if that Marksist Milliband ever gets in power | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars.
And thatcher was acting with the uk, interest wasnt she when she sent our troops to protect the falklands, she didnt use it to increase her popularity because she was losing miserably in the polls, and she acted illegally when authorising the sinking of the belgrano which was sailing away from the british fleet at the time.
People have selective memories regarding their party, also dont forget it was 2 senior tory ministers who were prepared to let 2 innocent westland helicopter directors go to prison to cover up their illicet dealings so the tories have blood and shit on their hands also
You keep saying all that tosh about Mrs. T being a war criminal. The more time you spend on that old chestnut the better. No one believes it. Even the Captain of the Belgrano has said it's a ridiculous accusation but waist your time on it, feel free. The more time you spend trying to make that un stickable lie stick the less time you'll spend spreading the rest of your lies that might be more convincing.
Ah the immortal words of a typical thatcherite so far up her arse you can see camerons shoes lol
You obviously have a tory bias and nothing will change your view of her, maybe necrofillia would be your cup of tea, dig her up and fuck her the way she fucked us all good luck.
I hate all political parties i just hate the Tories more than all the others"You're absolutely correct, I am biased towards Tories. I don't hide it. However I am not, and never was, a particular fan of Mrs T. But I'm telling you no one, and I mean no one, does, or is ever going to, believe that lie except a few left wing nutters that no one cares about any more. But stick on it, like I said, I hope you do. It's your time your wasting. | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars.
I don't vote labour. I vote green. But anyone is better than a Tory. I've been unemployed. I know what it was like being unemployed under
Labour, that was bad enough. I would hate to experience it again under the Tories.
Voting Green?
Be very careful what you wish for.
In Germany the Greens are much more powerful than in the UK and the restrictions, and in some cases bans, on everyday household items are a nightmare. Ye gods you can't even buy a bottle of bleach. We have to smuggle it in from Spain every time we do a car run.
In the last German election legalising incest was in their manifesto, and don't get me started on what a bollox they have made of running Brighton.
If there is a real raving loony party it is well and truly them.
I don't need bleach in my house. Neither, I suspect do you. What has the German green party got to do with the UK's incest laws? Nothing. I care about my planet and my children's environment. Money is just a "would like", clean air and water are necessities.
We all care about the planet, our children and the environment, UKIP, SNP, Conservative, Labour, Lib Dems and all. The only difference is that we don't believe that going back to the stone age is the only or best way of doing that."Any party that believes fracking isn't to the serious detriment of our immediate environment is either seriously deluded, or they don't really care. There is no need to go back to the stone age. Just choose your long term energy strategy more wisely. Tidal power for instance. I can't see the gravitation pull of the moon weakening significantly in the next few millennia. | |||
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"Neither is the compulsory smearing of Marmite on bedposts every third Tuesday in march? Your presuming something for no other reason, than some other green parties have looked at and included changing their incest laws. Do you actually know what aspects they want to change? (Not that it will happen)." . I remember reading about it, it wasn't a policy if I remember correctly it was one or two green party mp,s who wanted a ruling on consenting adult siblings. If I remember correctly it was quite a difficult ruling because the initial prohibition was one of genetic abnormalities and not a moral issue. | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars. "Jane, as a Tory supporter you really do need to take the blinkers off. The Tories said before 2010 they would not increase VAT. So what did they do after the election. Yes increase VAT. But that's just one of 24 tax rises your beloved government brought in making the average family £974 WORSE off. You say debt will increase under labour. Yet the Tories promised the deficit would be gone by the election coming up. They failed their too Jane. But it's worse than that. The current coalition has run up more public debt than all Labour governments since 1900. A record to be proud of jane. As for wars, remember Thatcher who took us to power in the Falklands to cling on to power. Of course that couldn't happen now due to the huge cuts in the defence budget pushed through by this government all to reduce the taxes paid by those "poor" rich friends of the Tories. Jane you are welcome to vote Tory and get more of the above. But not in my name... | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars.
I don't vote labour. I vote green. But anyone is better than a Tory. I've been unemployed. I know what it was like being unemployed under
Labour, that was bad enough. I would hate to experience it again under the Tories.
Voting Green?
Be very careful what you wish for.
In Germany the Greens are much more powerful than in the UK and the restrictions, and in some cases bans, on everyday household items are a nightmare. Ye gods you can't even buy a bottle of bleach. We have to smuggle it in from Spain every time we do a car run.
In the last German election legalising incest was in their manifesto, and don't get me started on what a bollox they have made of running Brighton.
If there is a real raving loony party it is well and truly them.
I don't need bleach in my house. Neither, I suspect do you. What has the German green party got to do with the UK's incest laws? Nothing. I care about my planet and my children's environment. Money is just a "would like", clean air and water are necessities.
We all care about the planet, our children and the environment, UKIP, SNP, Conservative, Labour, Lib Dems and all. The only difference is that we don't believe that going back to the stone age is the only or best way of doing that.
Any party that believes fracking isn't to the serious detriment of our immediate environment is either seriously deluded, or they don't really care. There is no need to go back to the stone age. Just choose your long term energy strategy more wisely. Tidal power for instance. I can't see the gravitation pull of the moon weakening significantly in the next few millennia. ". It's an utter disaster environmentally.... They don't hand out big bribes to locals for fuck all. | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars.
I don't vote labour. I vote green. But anyone is better than a Tory. I've been unemployed. I know what it was like being unemployed under
Labour, that was bad enough. I would hate to experience it again under the Tories.
Voting Green?
Be very careful what you wish for.
In Germany the Greens are much more powerful than in the UK and the restrictions, and in some cases bans, on everyday household items are a nightmare. Ye gods you can't even buy a bottle of bleach. We have to smuggle it in from Spain every time we do a car run.
In the last German election legalising incest was in their manifesto, and don't get me started on what a bollox they have made of running Brighton.
If there is a real raving loony party it is well and truly them.
I don't need bleach in my house. Neither, I suspect do you. What has the German green party got to do with the UK's incest laws? Nothing. I care about my planet and my children's environment. Money is just a "would like", clean air and water are necessities.
We all care about the planet, our children and the environment, UKIP, SNP, Conservative, Labour, Lib Dems and all. The only difference is that we don't believe that going back to the stone age is the only or best way of doing that.
Any party that believes fracking isn't to the serious detriment of our immediate environment is either seriously deluded, or they don't really care. There is no need to go back to the stone age. Just choose your long term energy strategy more wisely. Tidal power for instance. I can't see the gravitation pull of the moon weakening significantly in the next few millennia. "If you have some real proof that what you say about fracking is true maybe you could show use all this evidence (and a Green Party leaflet saying so isn't going to cut the mustard) | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars.
I don't vote labour. I vote green. But anyone is better than a Tory. I've been unemployed. I know what it was like being unemployed under
Labour, that was bad enough. I would hate to experience it again under the Tories.
Voting Green?
Be very careful what you wish for.
In Germany the Greens are much more powerful than in the UK and the restrictions, and in some cases bans, on everyday household items are a nightmare. Ye gods you can't even buy a bottle of bleach. We have to smuggle it in from Spain every time we do a car run.
In the last German election legalising incest was in their manifesto, and don't get me started on what a bollox they have made of running Brighton.
If there is a real raving loony party it is well and truly them.
I don't need bleach in my house. Neither, I suspect do you. What has the German green party got to do with the UK's incest laws? Nothing. I care about my planet and my children's environment. Money is just a "would like", clean air and water are necessities.
We all care about the planet, our children and the environment, UKIP, SNP, Conservative, Labour, Lib Dems and all. The only difference is that we don't believe that going back to the stone age is the only or best way of doing that.
Any party that believes fracking isn't to the serious detriment of our immediate environment is either seriously deluded, or they don't really care. There is no need to go back to the stone age. Just choose your long term energy strategy more wisely. Tidal power for instance. I can't see the gravitation pull of the moon weakening significantly in the next few millennia.
If you have some real proof that what you say about fracking is true maybe you could show use all this evidence (and a Green Party leaflet saying so isn't going to cut the mustard)". Where to start .
Each well needs 200,000 gallons of water, 40% of well linings separating the toxic fluid from ground water fail within 18 months, 90% off wells have a fall off from production of around 70%in the first 12 months which is why they have to drill baby drill, each well requires around 45 articulated trucks per week to service it moving water, gas and oil... It's hideous and the very fact that it's the only industry exempt from the clean air and water act in the usa says more than I ever could! | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars.
Jane, as a Tory supporter you really do need to take the blinkers off.
The Tories said before 2010 they would not increase VAT. So what did they do after the election. Yes increase VAT. But that's just one of 24 tax rises your beloved government brought in making the average family £974 WORSE off.
"The Tories never said they would not increase VAT. All three parties gave exactly the same answer and that was "we have no plans to increase VAT but we've not ruled it out". They all told the same truth but not the whole truth. And why did they all say the same thing? Because they all new they would have to put it up. Even Labour. " You say debt will increase under labour. Yet the Tories promised the deficit would be gone by the election coming up. They failed their too Jane. " I promised my niece ones that I'd buy here am iPod but when I went to buy it my partner had cleared out the account. Did I really break my promise and was it my fault. I guess in a way it wad. I should never have let have access to my finances. I won't make that mistake again, let's hope the country doesn't. " But it's worse than that. The current coalition has run up more public debt than all Labour governments since 1900. A record to be proud of jane. As for wars, remember Thatcher who took us to power in the Falklands to cling on to power. Of course that couldn't happen now due to the huge cuts in the defence budget pushed through by this government all to reduce the taxes paid by those "poor" rich friends of the Tories. " Good, keep on the Thatcher war criminal thing. You people never learn " Jane you are welcome to vote Tory and get more of the above. But not in my name..." | |||
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"I tend to prefer the Greens by their nickname. Watermelons, green on the outside and bright red when you get past the skin." Better red than dying from the results of various toxins leaching into the water. Still, at least the leccys cheap eh? Oh that's right...it isn't. Quadrilla even said it themselves. | |||
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"I'd sooner go nuclear than frack. I can't believe I've said that! "Nuclear, fracking, burning imported gas, oil, coal, all have an environmental impact. Wind and wave cannot (and never will) produce anything like the amount of power Britain (or any other country) needs. Solar power technology is still way off being advanced enough to fill the gap so it is either nuclear or fossil fuels for the foreseeable future. So Britain has a decision to make. Import oil and gas and constantly live with the volatility of world markets and supplies threatened by political instability, or frack it and have a chance of being self sufficient. The nuclear option isn't really on the table for the next few years because of the time involved building new stations. Fracking isn't perfect, but neither was coal mining or drilling for oil, but like it or not Britain needs it as the only way to guarantee keeping the lights on. | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars.
Jane, as a Tory supporter you really do need to take the blinkers off.
The Tories said before 2010 they would not increase VAT. So what did they do after the election. Yes increase VAT. But that's just one of 24 tax rises your beloved government brought in making the average family £974 WORSE off.
The Tories never said they would not increase VAT. All three parties gave exactly the same answer and that was "we have no plans to increase VAT but we've not ruled it out". They all told the same truth but not the whole truth. And why did they all say the same thing? Because they all new they would have to put it up. Even Labour.
You say debt will increase under labour. Yet the Tories promised the deficit would be gone by the election coming up. They failed their too Jane.
I promised my niece ones that I'd buy here am iPod but when I went to buy it my partner had cleared out the account. Did I really break my promise and was it my fault. I guess in a way it wad. I should never have let have access to my finances. I won't make that mistake again, let's hope the country doesn't.
But it's worse than that. The current coalition has run up more public debt than all Labour governments since 1900. A record to be proud of jane.
As for wars, remember Thatcher who took us to power in the Falklands to cling on to power. Of course that couldn't happen now due to the huge cuts in the defence budget pushed through by this government all to reduce the taxes paid by those "poor" rich friends of the Tories.
Good, keep on the Thatcher war criminal thing. You people never learn
Jane you are welcome to vote Tory and get more of the above. But not in my name..."Jane your defence of the indefensible really is poor. Your use of the term "you people" made me laugh though. Same old tories eh. I'm afraid you are wrong on VAT. Ever heard of the daily mail. You know that left wing mag (not). A member of the Tory treasury team leaked an email to the mail in April 2010 ahead of the election setting out their plans to raise vat after the election. The email said: It reads: 'The leadership has an undisclosed policy to announce a VAT rise to 19.5% in the June emergency budget. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1269677/Tories-secret-plot-raise-VAT-19-5-emergency-June-Budget.html#ixzz3Ocl3XX4M But you can see the Tories lied. And even said in their email what their excuse would be for their predetermined VAT rise. Bastards as you like to say. Your party, the nasty party like to raise VAT as it hits the poor. They like to reduce taxes for the top tax earners (as they have done), the super rich earning over 150k. So much for a fairer society. You ignored the fact that the Tories and their lib dem partners have increased debt by more than all labour governments since 1900 so I assume you accept this is true. You can't trust the Tories on the economy stupid... And the country won't make the same mistake again. The Tories have made sure of that. They ll be booted out. Nhs is safe in their name...don't make me laugh... | |||
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"I'd sooner go nuclear than frack. I can't believe I've said that!
Nuclear, fracking, burning imported gas, oil, coal, all have an environmental impact. Wind and wave cannot (and never will) produce anything like the amount of power Britain (or any other country) needs. Solar power technology is still way off being advanced enough to fill the gap so it is either nuclear or fossil fuels for the foreseeable future.
So Britain has a decision to make. Import oil and gas and constantly live with the volatility of world markets and supplies threatened by political instability, or frack it and have a chance of being self sufficient.
The nuclear option isn't really on the table for the next few years because of the time involved building new stations.
Fracking isn't perfect, but neither was coal mining or drilling for oil, but like it or not Britain needs it as the only way to guarantee keeping the lights on.
"Tidal power. Constant (as near as dammit), and as an island we have a huge untapped resource. The energy from the Bristol channel alone is enormous. Then there are the tidal flows through the highlands if Scotland, Morecambe, menai. Its ignored, and its massive. It is not beyond our capabilities to harness it. It just isn't in some peoples interests. | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars.
I don't vote labour. I vote green. But anyone is better than a Tory. I've been unemployed. I know what it was like being unemployed under
Labour, that was bad enough. I would hate to experience it again under the Tories.
Voting Green?
Be very careful what you wish for.
In Germany the Greens are much more powerful than in the UK and the restrictions, and in some cases bans, on everyday household items are a nightmare. Ye gods you can't even buy a bottle of bleach. We have to smuggle it in from Spain every time we do a car run.
In the last German election legalising incest was in their manifesto, and don't get me started on what a bollox they have made of running Brighton.
If there is a real raving loony party it is well and truly them.
I don't need bleach in my house. Neither, I suspect do you. What has the German green party got to do with the UK's incest laws? Nothing. I care about my planet and my children's environment. Money is just a "would like", clean air and water are necessities.
We all care about the planet, our children and the environment, UKIP, SNP, Conservative, Labour, Lib Dems and all. The only difference is that we don't believe that going back to the stone age is the only or best way of doing that.
Any party that believes fracking isn't to the serious detriment of our immediate environment is either seriously deluded, or they don't really care. There is no need to go back to the stone age. Just choose your long term energy strategy more wisely. Tidal power for instance. I can't see the gravitation pull of the moon weakening significantly in the next few millennia.
If you have some real proof that what you say about fracking is true maybe you could show use all this evidence (and a Green Party leaflet saying so isn't going to cut the mustard).
Where to start .
Each well needs 200,000 gallons of water, 40% of well linings separating the toxic fluid from ground water fail within 18 months, 90% off wells have a fall off from production of around 70%in the first 12 months which is why they have to drill baby drill, each well requires around 45 articulated trucks per week to service it moving water, gas and oil... It's hideous and the very fact that it's the only industry exempt from the clean air and water act in the usa says more than I ever could!"Good to see we're back on the right.. (sorry correct) ...sides of the fence again on this thread. I was starting to get a little worried.
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"Look at the cracking sites in the states. Look at the tremors caused by mere exploratory drilling on the fylde hinterland. Look at the actual chemicals used in the water that's pumped under the ground. The frackers never openly admit what they use, but the lists are there if you look. I don't want our prehistoric water tables contaminated forever, to make a needlessly quick buck. There are better ways to harness energy. Fracking is short term madness. But that's always been our policy in this country. Make hay while the sun shines, and fuck the future generations. Hope you can afford evian, as that's the only drinkable water you will get. Because they will fuck up. They always do. " The method being used here is not the same as in many places in the US but either way give the site references so we can see for ourselves. | |||
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"To be honest we're gonna be screwed whoever wins the election in May Perhaps the best result would be a 3 way coalition so the politicians have to work together instead of bitching and trying to undo what the previous govt did....?? Nope .... We're all doomed!!! i think thats spot on .no party deserves to lead this country they are all bloody hopeless and dont give a flying f*ck for anyone but themselves" Sick of the political airtime given to nothing. From what i can see is that labour are promising to fix everything they broke 4 years ago . If they all did some work then i reckon they could all fix the country instead of acting like fish wives.. | |||
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"Look at the cracking sites in the states. Look at the tremors caused by mere exploratory drilling on the fylde hinterland. Look at the actual chemicals used in the water that's pumped under the ground. The frackers never openly admit what they use, but the lists are there if you look. I don't want our prehistoric water tables contaminated forever, to make a needlessly quick buck. There are better ways to harness energy. Fracking is short term madness. But that's always been our policy in this country. Make hay while the sun shines, and fuck the future generations. Hope you can afford evian, as that's the only drinkable water you will get. Because they will fuck up. They always do. The method being used here is not the same as in many places in the US but either way give the site references so we can see for ourselves." The method involves pumping water under high pressure under the ground. That water contains "some chemicals" (quadrillas phrase, not mine). Look up the chemicals used. Its a very long list. Look up the msds and toxicological data for those chemicals. Then tell me its safe to pump into the ground. And I'll tell you, you either fail to see the danger or your prepared to take the chance. Its my drinking water. I'm not taking that chance. If you want to fuck up your water source, fine. Go and play up your own end. Don't come running to me to fill your kettle. You poison your water table and youve fucked it up forever. No second chance, no way to clean it. Live with it. | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government." I must live in fantasy world then because Labour will walk it in May | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards! "Have a look at past historic deficits and UK debts, you will see the Tories have a far worse record than Labour....Cameron has borrowed more than he said and put us in a worse position than we have ever been in | |||
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Have a look at past historic deficits and UK debts, you will see the Tories have a far worse record than Labour....Cameron has borrowed more than he said and put us in a worse position than we have ever been in
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
So bloody true.
Both Blair and Bush should stand trial for their downright lies, and for the deaths of many,many thousands of people.
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"If you seriously think Labour is going to win in May you're living in a fantasy world. They'll be lucky to be the largest party never mind win and overall majority. And that's even with a 60 seat built in advantage to Labour due to biased boundary changes brought in by the last government. How can anyone even be thinking of returning Labour. They created the biggest deficit ever and took us, illegally, in to unrealistic wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They helped make this world more dangerous than it has ever been. Blair should be tried as a war criminal and if Brown worked in the city he would have been arrested for fraud! Bastards!
Still..... Better that than the tories though! I'm speechless....you almost deserve Milliband and his party for a bigger deficit, more taxes and probably more wars.
Jane, as a Tory supporter you really do need to take the blinkers off.
The Tories said before 2010 they would not increase VAT. So what did they do after the election. Yes increase VAT. But that's just one of 24 tax rises your beloved government brought in making the average family £974 WORSE off.
The Tories never said they would not increase VAT. All three parties gave exactly the same answer and that was "we have no plans to increase VAT but we've not ruled it out". They all told the same truth but not the whole truth. And why did they all say the same thing? Because they all new they would have to put it up. Even Labour.
You say debt will increase under labour. Yet the Tories promised the deficit would be gone by the election coming up. They failed their too Jane.
I promised my niece ones that I'd buy here am iPod but when I went to buy it my partner had cleared out the account. Did I really break my promise and was it my fault. I guess in a way it wad. I should never have let have access to my finances. I won't make that mistake again, let's hope the country doesn't.
But it's worse than that. The current coalition has run up more public debt than all Labour governments since 1900. A record to be proud of jane.
As for wars, remember Thatcher who took us to power in the Falklands to cling on to power. Of course that couldn't happen now due to the huge cuts in the defence budget pushed through by this government all to reduce the taxes paid by those "poor" rich friends of the Tories.
Good, keep on the Thatcher war criminal thing. You people never learn
Jane you are welcome to vote Tory and get more of the above. But not in my name...
Jane your defence of the indefensible really is poor. Your use of the term "you people" made me laugh though. Same old tories eh.
I'm afraid you are wrong on VAT. Ever heard of the daily mail. You know that left wing mag (not). A member of the Tory treasury team leaked an email to the mail in April 2010 ahead of the election setting out their plans to raise vat after the election.
The email said: It reads: 'The leadership has an undisclosed policy to announce a VAT rise to 19.5% in the June emergency budget.
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"Yes do read more, especially this bit in the same article that you fail to mention:- 'The only people who have drawn up plans to raise VAT are the (Labour)Government - we know that because the Treasury published them by mistake.' They were all playing the same game of half truths. Take your party hat of for a minute and go and search for the real truth. " But you can see the Tories lied. And even said in their email what their excuse would be for their predetermined VAT rise. Bastards as you like to say. Your party, the nasty party like to raise VAT as it hits the poor. They like to reduce taxes for the top tax earners (as they have done), the super rich earning over 150k. " If you think £150K makes you 'Super Rich' you are well out of touch but it's not a small amount I'll grant you that. But what I really can't understand is why it's wrong for the Coalition Government to make top earners pay income tax at 45% but it was OK for most of the time Labour was in power to only make then pay income tax at 40%. It was still 40% when labour got defeated in 2010. Since then, under the evil Tories, it has gone up to 50% and fallen back to 45%. Still 5% points above what it was under Labour. And Labour was really great to the poorest in the country when it DOUBLED the bottom rate of tax from 10% to 20%. While the coalition has rased the starting point of paying tax from £6,475 to £10,000 Taxing either the rich or the poor, Labours record really does not stand up to any scrutiny. As you say, so much for a fairer society. Why do you guys just keep shooting yourself in the foot? " So much for a fairer society. You ignored the fact that the Tories and their lib dem partners have increased debt by more than all labour governments since 1900 so I assume you accept this is true. You can't trust the Tories on the economy stupid... " Can you show the source of those figures then, when I've seen them for myself, I'll comment on it. Currently it's just your word. " And the country won't make the same mistake again. The Tories have made sure of that. They ll be booted out. " You may be right but I think you'll find that more people are going to vote conservative that say and Labour is nowhere near far enough ahead in the pole to win outright. It's just a shame we're not being to given an option to vote for the coalition because the Lib Dems and the Conservative combined vote is getting on to 45%. That's not good news for Labour. Labour should be poling around those figures at this stage if it was going to win outright. " Nhs is safe in their name...don't make me laugh... " And Labour would have spent more on the NHS. That's not what they said they would do. And the £2Bl from the so called mansion tax will take 2 to 3 years to come in and is nowhere near enough to make any real difference. So where's the extra money for the NHS going to come from? BTW I'm not Jane and it was me who answered. | |||
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Nuclear, fracking, burning imported gas, oil, coal, all have an environmental impact. Wind and wave cannot (and never will) produce anything like the amount of power Britain (or any other country) needs. Solar power technology is still way off being advanced enough to fill the gap so it is either nuclear or fossil fuels for the foreseeable future.
So Britain has a decision to make. Import oil and gas and constantly live with the volatility of world markets and supplies threatened by political instability, or frack it and have a chance of being self sufficient.
The nuclear option isn't really on the table for the next few years because of the time involved building new stations.
Fracking isn't perfect, but neither was coal mining or drilling for oil, but like it or not Britain needs it as the only way to guarantee keeping the lights on.
Tidal power. Constant (as near as dammit), and as an island we have a huge untapped resource. The energy from the Bristol channel alone is enormous. Then there are the tidal flows through the highlands if Scotland, Morecambe, menai. Its ignored, and its massive. It is not beyond our capabilities to harness it. It just isn't in some peoples interests."And it's not that simple either. Using tidal flows will have a very large effect on the local environment disturbing fishing grounds, bird sanctuaries, marshes and flood plane plateaus. If not oden very carefully (read every expensively) it could be an environmental disaster. | |||
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"Look at the cracking sites in the states. Look at the tremors caused by mere exploratory drilling on the fylde hinterland. Look at the actual chemicals used in the water that's pumped under the ground. The frackers never openly admit what they use, but the lists are there if you look. I don't want our prehistoric water tables contaminated forever, to make a needlessly quick buck. There are better ways to harness energy. Fracking is short term madness. But that's always been our policy in this country. Make hay while the sun shines, and fuck the future generations. Hope you can afford evian, as that's the only drinkable water you will get. Because they will fuck up. They always do. The method being used here is not the same as in many places in the US but either way give the site references so we can see for ourselves." . http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/04/fracking-us-toxic-waste-water-washington. http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/newsdesk/energy/analysis/fracking-go-ahead-four-differences-between-us-and-uk. The last line is the one of interest. Self regulation hey.. Worked well with the banks didn't it. The regulatory regime is quite different in the UK, where high profile fracking firm Cuadrilla says it will only use four chemicals that are widely used elsewhere and considered safe. UK fracking firms will only be allowed to use chemicals classified as non-hazardous under EU rules on groundwater. DECC expects - but will not require - their identity to be publicly available. | |||
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"Look at the cracking sites in the states. Look at the tremors caused by mere exploratory drilling on the fylde hinterland. Look at the actual chemicals used in the water that's pumped under the ground. The frackers never openly admit what they use, but the lists are there if you look. I don't want our prehistoric water tables contaminated forever, to make a needlessly quick buck. There are better ways to harness energy. Fracking is short term madness. But that's always been our policy in this country. Make hay while the sun shines, and fuck the future generations. Hope you can afford evian, as that's the only drinkable water you will get. Because they will fuck up. They always do. The method being used here is not the same as in many places in the US but either way give the site references so we can see for ourselves. The method involves pumping water under high pressure under the ground. That water contains "some chemicals" (quadrillas phrase, not mine). Look up the chemicals used. Its a very long list. Look up the msds and toxicological data for those chemicals. Then tell me its safe to pump into the ground. And I'll tell you, you either fail to see the danger or your prepared to take the chance. Its my drinking water. I'm not taking that chance. If you want to fuck up your water source, fine. Go and play up your own end. Don't come running to me to fill your kettle. You poison your water table and youve fucked it up forever. No second chance, no way to clean it. Live with it." Give us the site references so we can see for ourselves. Currently it's just your unsubstantiated word and that's not convincing by itself. | |||
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"Look at the cracking sites in the states. Look at the tremors caused by mere exploratory drilling on the fylde hinterland. Look at the actual chemicals used in the water that's pumped under the ground. The frackers never openly admit what they use, but the lists are there if you look. I don't want our prehistoric water tables contaminated forever, to make a needlessly quick buck. There are better ways to harness energy. Fracking is short term madness. But that's always been our policy in this country. Make hay while the sun shines, and fuck the future generations. Hope you can afford evian, as that's the only drinkable water you will get. Because they will fuck up. They always do. The method being used here is not the same as in many places in the US but either way give the site references so we can see for ourselves.. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/04/fracking-us-toxic-waste-water-washington. http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/newsdesk/energy/analysis/fracking-go-ahead-four-differences-between-us-and-uk. The last line is the one of interest. Self regulation hey.. Worked well with the banks didn't it. The regulatory regime is quite different in the UK, where high profile fracking firm Cuadrilla says it will only use four chemicals that are widely used elsewhere and considered safe. UK fracking firms will only be allowed to use chemicals classified as non-hazardous under EU rules on groundwater. DECC expects - but will not require - their identity to be publicly available. " You know the real piss think about asking people to show their evidence is that then you have to go and read it. That's me out for the next hour or so. LOL | |||
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"I'd sooner go nuclear than frack. I can't believe I've said that!
Nuclear, fracking, burning imported gas, oil, coal, all have an environmental impact. Wind and wave cannot (and never will) produce anything like the amount of power Britain (or any other country) needs. Solar power technology is still way off being advanced enough to fill the gap so it is either nuclear or fossil fuels for the foreseeable future.
So Britain has a decision to make. Import oil and gas and constantly live with the volatility of world markets and supplies threatened by political instability, or frack it and have a chance of being self sufficient.
The nuclear option isn't really on the table for the next few years because of the time involved building new stations.
Fracking isn't perfect, but neither was coal mining or drilling for oil, but like it or not Britain needs it as the only way to guarantee keeping the lights on.
Tidal power. Constant (as near as dammit), and as an island we have a huge untapped resource. The energy from the Bristol channel alone is enormous. Then there are the tidal flows through the highlands if Scotland, Morecambe, menai. Its ignored, and its massive. It is not beyond our capabilities to harness it. It just isn't in some peoples interests.
And it's not that simple either. Using tidal flows will have a very large effect on the local environment disturbing fishing grounds, bird sanctuaries, marshes and flood plane plateaus. If not oden very carefully (read every expensively) it could be an environmental disaster."Fair comment. In the 80's Lancashire county council commissioned a feasibility study into the possibility of building a Hydro electric barrage across the river Wyre just up river from Fleetwood. The objections came in thick and fast and were mostly based on the fact that a low lying area with a very high water table (as are nearly all river estuaries in Britain) would be subject to terrible flooding should any restriction be put on the flow of the river. For another example, the Severn basin has had massive problems with flooding in the last few years and building a dam (because that is what you would have to do) would only make matters a thousand times worse. The myths of free clean energy are mostly exactly that. Myths. | |||
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"I'd sooner go nuclear than frack. I can't believe I've said that!
Nuclear, fracking, burning imported gas, oil, coal, all have an environmental impact. Wind and wave cannot (and never will) produce anything like the amount of power Britain (or any other country) needs. Solar power technology is still way off being advanced enough to fill the gap so it is either nuclear or fossil fuels for the foreseeable future.
So Britain has a decision to make. Import oil and gas and constantly live with the volatility of world markets and supplies threatened by political instability, or frack it and have a chance of being self sufficient.
The nuclear option isn't really on the table for the next few years because of the time involved building new stations.
Fracking isn't perfect, but neither was coal mining or drilling for oil, but like it or not Britain needs it as the only way to guarantee keeping the lights on.
Tidal power. Constant (as near as dammit), and as an island we have a huge untapped resource. The energy from the Bristol channel alone is enormous. Then there are the tidal flows through the highlands if Scotland, Morecambe, menai. Its ignored, and its massive. It is not beyond our capabilities to harness it. It just isn't in some peoples interests.
And it's not that simple either. Using tidal flows will have a very large effect on the local environment disturbing fishing grounds, bird sanctuaries, marshes and flood plane plateaus. If not oden very carefully (read every expensively) it could be an environmental disaster.
Fair comment.
In the 80's Lancashire county council commissioned a feasibility study into the possibility of building a Hydro electric barrage across the river Wyre just up river from Fleetwood. The objections came in thick and fast and were mostly based on the fact that a low lying area with a very high water table (as are nearly all river estuaries in Britain) would be subject to terrible flooding should any restriction be put on the flow of the river. For another example, the Severn basin has had massive problems with flooding in the last few years and building a dam (because that is what you would have to do) would only make matters a thousand times worse.
The myths of free clean energy are mostly exactly that. Myths."Tidal power does not have to be done using dams. The open sea is subject to tides. What your talking about is hydroelectric power from the rivers. As for the expense, so what? Clean electricity or poisoned water tables, radioactive leaks and increased CO2 levels. The choice is yours. | |||
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"I'd sooner go nuclear than frack. I can't believe I've said that!
Nuclear, fracking, burning imported gas, oil, coal, all have an environmental impact. Wind and wave cannot (and never will) produce anything like the amount of power Britain (or any other country) needs. Solar power technology is still way off being advanced enough to fill the gap so it is either nuclear or fossil fuels for the foreseeable future.
So Britain has a decision to make. Import oil and gas and constantly live with the volatility of world markets and supplies threatened by political instability, or frack it and have a chance of being self sufficient.
The nuclear option isn't really on the table for the next few years because of the time involved building new stations.
Fracking isn't perfect, but neither was coal mining or drilling for oil, but like it or not Britain needs it as the only way to guarantee keeping the lights on.
Tidal power. Constant (as near as dammit), and as an island we have a huge untapped resource. The energy from the Bristol channel alone is enormous. Then there are the tidal flows through the highlands if Scotland, Morecambe, menai. Its ignored, and its massive. It is not beyond our capabilities to harness it. It just isn't in some peoples interests.
And it's not that simple either. Using tidal flows will have a very large effect on the local environment disturbing fishing grounds, bird sanctuaries, marshes and flood plane plateaus. If not oden very carefully (read every expensively) it could be an environmental disaster.
Fair comment.
In the 80's Lancashire county council commissioned a feasibility study into the possibility of building a Hydro electric barrage across the river Wyre just up river from Fleetwood. The objections came in thick and fast and were mostly based on the fact that a low lying area with a very high water table (as are nearly all river estuaries in Britain) would be subject to terrible flooding should any restriction be put on the flow of the river. For another example, the Severn basin has had massive problems with flooding in the last few years and building a dam (because that is what you would have to do) would only make matters a thousand times worse.
The myths of free clean energy are mostly exactly that. Myths.
Tidal power does not have to be done using dams. The open sea is subject to tides. What your talking about is hydroelectric power from the rivers.
As for the expense, so what? Clean electricity or poisoned water tables, radioactive leaks and increased CO2 levels. The choice is yours."Tidal power from the open sea?
Engineering and tidal flows are obviously not your strong points.
A strong current at sea is around 3 knots at mid tide on a spring, much less on a neap, and that is from Morecambe bay that has one of the largest tide flows in northern Europe (a patch of water I know very very well BTW) Have you any idea how big the turbines and general construction would have to be to harness any meaningful electricity from that?
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"I don't carry a list of sites in my head. I've read a LOT of sources on this subject. I do know that I don't take any governments word or the fracking companies word as gospel. There is a reason they don't publicise the list of chemicals used. And it isnt because they don't want their competitors to know." I wouldn't take anything from the green party as gospel either. They just want your vote and will tell you any old shite to get it. A bit like all politicians really. | |||
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"I don't carry a list of sites in my head. I've read a LOT of sources on this subject. I do know that I don't take any governments word or the fracking companies word as gospel. There is a reason they don't publicise the list of chemicals used. And it isnt because they don't want their competitors to know." Try this site http://www.cuadrillaresources.com/what-we-do/hydraulic-fracturing/fracturing-fluid/ | |||
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"I don't carry a list of sites in my head. I've read a LOT of sources on this subject. I do know that I don't take any governments word or the fracking companies word as gospel. There is a reason they don't publicise the list of chemicals used. And it isnt because they don't want their competitors to know." You may be right or you maybe wrong but not wanting your competitors to know would seem a pretty good reason to me. Unless you can come up with something else that you can substantiate I'll go with that. | |||
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"Look at the cracking sites in the states. Look at the tremors caused by mere exploratory drilling on the fylde hinterland. Look at the actual chemicals used in the water that's pumped under the ground. The frackers never openly admit what they use, but the lists are there if you look. I don't want our prehistoric water tables contaminated forever, to make a needlessly quick buck. There are better ways to harness energy. Fracking is short term madness. But that's always been our policy in this country. Make hay while the sun shines, and fuck the future generations. Hope you can afford evian, as that's the only drinkable water you will get. Because they will fuck up. They always do. The method being used here is not the same as in many places in the US but either way give the site references so we can see for ourselves.. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/04/fracking-us-toxic-waste-water-washington. http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/newsdesk/energy/analysis/fracking-go-ahead-four-differences-between-us-and-uk. The last line is the one of interest. Self regulation hey.. Worked well with the banks didn't it. The regulatory regime is quite different in the UK, where high profile fracking firm Cuadrilla says it will only use four chemicals that are widely used elsewhere and considered safe. UK fracking firms will only be allowed to use chemicals classified as non-hazardous under EU rules on groundwater. DECC expects - but will not require - their identity to be publicly available. You know the real piss think about asking people to show their evidence is that then you have to go and read it. That's me out for the next hour or so. LOL" .Lol...I believe the bible quote is The devil makes work for idle hands my friend. I can highly recommended this award winning documentary from a few years back if you get some spare time. In fact I'd recommend everyone watch it!. A Crude Awakening - The Oilcrash: http://youtu.be/7qGM9ypR-UI | |||
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"I'd sooner go nuclear than frack. I can't believe I've said that!
Nuclear, fracking, burning imported gas, oil, coal, all have an environmental impact. Wind and wave cannot (and never will) produce anything like the amount of power Britain (or any other country) needs. Solar power technology is still way off being advanced enough to fill the gap so it is either nuclear or fossil fuels for the foreseeable future.
So Britain has a decision to make. Import oil and gas and constantly live with the volatility of world markets and supplies threatened by political instability, or frack it and have a chance of being self sufficient.
The nuclear option isn't really on the table for the next few years because of the time involved building new stations.
Fracking isn't perfect, but neither was coal mining or drilling for oil, but like it or not Britain needs it as the only way to guarantee keeping the lights on.
Tidal power. Constant (as near as dammit), and as an island we have a huge untapped resource. The energy from the Bristol channel alone is enormous. Then there are the tidal flows through the highlands if Scotland, Morecambe, menai. Its ignored, and its massive. It is not beyond our capabilities to harness it. It just isn't in some peoples interests.
And it's not that simple either. Using tidal flows will have a very large effect on the local environment disturbing fishing grounds, bird sanctuaries, marshes and flood plane plateaus. If not oden very carefully (read every expensively) it could be an environmental disaster.
Fair comment.
In the 80's Lancashire county council commissioned a feasibility study into the possibility of building a Hydro electric barrage across the river Wyre just up river from Fleetwood. The objections came in thick and fast and were mostly based on the fact that a low lying area with a very high water table (as are nearly all river estuaries in Britain) would be subject to terrible flooding should any restriction be put on the flow of the river. For another example, the Severn basin has had massive problems with flooding in the last few years and building a dam (because that is what you would have to do) would only make matters a thousand times worse.
The myths of free clean energy are mostly exactly that. Myths.
Tidal power does not have to be done using dams. The open sea is subject to tides. What your talking about is hydroelectric power from the rivers.
As for the expense, so what? Clean electricity or poisoned water tables, radioactive leaks and increased CO2 levels. The choice is yours."But that's not the choice really, is it. The real choice is between expensive electricity or jobs, experience electricity or a new hospital, expensive electricity or providing clean water to millions around the world. They are the real choices. If we spend the money on expensive electricity we can't spend it on something else. | |||
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"Usual tory rhetoric, take it off the workers. ...give it to the well off then tell us its for our own good. Why would the privately schooled cabinet, with their millionaire backgrounds and their 11% pay increase NOT be "all in it together" ? " If we don't pay MPs a sensible wage, we'll only increase the number of them from privileged backgrounds. | |||
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"Then they should work for free if they are millionaires, show us their integrity" Compared to some other country's and the EU. They do. | |||
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"Usual tory rhetoric, take it off the workers. ...give it to the well off then tell us its for our own good." Er. It is. No matter what petty jealousies you may have. the bottom line is that without business there is nothing. No jobs, taxes, benefits, or services. The 100% public sector economy only leads to bankruptcy. | |||
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"I don't think anyone here is suggesting a 100% public sector economy. However, when it comes to 'we are all in it together' some are more 'in it' than others." And the 'it' the poor are is the 'shit'. | |||
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"I'd sooner go nuclear than frack. I can't believe I've said that!
Nuclear, fracking, burning imported gas, oil, coal, all have an environmental impact. Wind and wave cannot (and never will) produce anything like the amount of power Britain (or any other country) needs. Solar power technology is still way off being advanced enough to fill the gap so it is either nuclear or fossil fuels for the foreseeable future.
So Britain has a decision to make. Import oil and gas and constantly live with the volatility of world markets and supplies threatened by political instability, or frack it and have a chance of being self sufficient.
The nuclear option isn't really on the table for the next few years because of the time involved building new stations.
Fracking isn't perfect, but neither was coal mining or drilling for oil, but like it or not Britain needs it as the only way to guarantee keeping the lights on.
Tidal power. Constant (as near as dammit), and as an island we have a huge untapped resource. The energy from the Bristol channel alone is enormous. Then there are the tidal flows through the highlands if Scotland, Morecambe, menai. Its ignored, and its massive. It is not beyond our capabilities to harness it. It just isn't in some peoples interests.
And it's not that simple either. Using tidal flows will have a very large effect on the local environment disturbing fishing grounds, bird sanctuaries, marshes and flood plane plateaus. If not oden very carefully (read every expensively) it could be an environmental disaster.
Fair comment.
In the 80's Lancashire county council commissioned a feasibility study into the possibility of building a Hydro electric barrage across the river Wyre just up river from Fleetwood. The objections came in thick and fast and were mostly based on the fact that a low lying area with a very high water table (as are nearly all river estuaries in Britain) would be subject to terrible flooding should any restriction be put on the flow of the river. For another example, the Severn basin has had massive problems with flooding in the last few years and building a dam (because that is what you would have to do) would only make matters a thousand times worse.
The myths of free clean energy are mostly exactly that. Myths.
Tidal power does not have to be done using dams. The open sea is subject to tides. What your talking about is hydroelectric power from the rivers.
As for the expense, so what? Clean electricity or poisoned water tables, radioactive leaks and increased CO2 levels. The choice is yours.
Tidal power from the open sea?
Engineering and tidal flows are obviously not your strong points.
A strong current at sea is around 3 knots at mid tide on a spring, much less on a neap, and that is from Morecambe bay that has one of the largest tide flows in northern Europe (a patch of water I know very very well BTW) Have you any idea how big the turbines and general construction would have to be to harness any meaningful electricity from that?
The reason nobody has done it is simple and nothing to do with "some peoples interests" It wont bloody well work."Wouldnt work? Any idea of the amount of energy in that body of water? It might be slow, but there is a HELL of a lot of it. Yes it would need big turbines? But they wouldnt leak radioactive waste into the sea like Sellafield et al. | |||
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"I don't carry a list of sites in my head. I've read a LOT of sources on this subject. I do know that I don't take any governments word or the fracking companies word as gospel. There is a reason they don't publicise the list of chemicals used. And it isnt because they don't want their competitors to know. You may be right or you maybe wrong but not wanting your competitors to know would seem a pretty good reason to me. Unless you can come up with something else that you can substantiate I'll go with that." The list of chemicals is not a secret. You just have to know where to look. They are not allowed to keep it a secret. But they are not going to want it common knowledge as many of the chemicals are very highly toxic, and can have mutagenic effects as well. All the frackers use the same basic mixture, you cant get around it. | |||
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"I'd sooner go nuclear than frack. I can't believe I've said that!
Nuclear, fracking, burning imported gas, oil, coal, all have an environmental impact. Wind and wave cannot (and never will) produce anything like the amount of power Britain (or any other country) needs. Solar power technology is still way off being advanced enough to fill the gap so it is either nuclear or fossil fuels for the foreseeable future.
So Britain has a decision to make. Import oil and gas and constantly live with the volatility of world markets and supplies threatened by political instability, or frack it and have a chance of being self sufficient.
The nuclear option isn't really on the table for the next few years because of the time involved building new stations.
Fracking isn't perfect, but neither was coal mining or drilling for oil, but like it or not Britain needs it as the only way to guarantee keeping the lights on.
Tidal power. Constant (as near as dammit), and as an island we have a huge untapped resource. The energy from the Bristol channel alone is enormous. Then there are the tidal flows through the highlands if Scotland, Morecambe, menai. Its ignored, and its massive. It is not beyond our capabilities to harness it. It just isn't in some peoples interests.
And it's not that simple either. Using tidal flows will have a very large effect on the local environment disturbing fishing grounds, bird sanctuaries, marshes and flood plane plateaus. If not oden very carefully (read every expensively) it could be an environmental disaster.
Fair comment.
In the 80's Lancashire county council commissioned a feasibility study into the possibility of building a Hydro electric barrage across the river Wyre just up river from Fleetwood. The objections came in thick and fast and were mostly based on the fact that a low lying area with a very high water table (as are nearly all river estuaries in Britain) would be subject to terrible flooding should any restriction be put on the flow of the river. For another example, the Severn basin has had massive problems with flooding in the last few years and building a dam (because that is what you would have to do) would only make matters a thousand times worse.
The myths of free clean energy are mostly exactly that. Myths.
Tidal power does not have to be done using dams. The open sea is subject to tides. What your talking about is hydroelectric power from the rivers.
As for the expense, so what? Clean electricity or poisoned water tables, radioactive leaks and increased CO2 levels. The choice is yours.
But that's not the choice really, is it. The real choice is between expensive electricity or jobs, experience electricity or a new hospital, expensive electricity or providing clean water to millions around the world. They are the real choices. If we spend the money on expensive electricity we can't spend it on something else."Err...where are we going to get OUR clean water from when we have fucked it up? The initial costs are high. They don't have to remain so. Thats the thing with green energy sources though, eventually the cost of the energy becomes very cheap. Businesses then pay less for their energy and guess what? Businesses start to make more money! | |||
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"Why am I wasting my time arguing with a green. Any one ever likely to fall for there ideas is only likely to go back to Labour. And lets face it, there's not going to a green party government in may. Leave them to vote green, it's better for the country than them voting red." I havent voted labour for the last four general elections. If they ever make Dennis Skinner leader, I might change my mind. | |||
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"I don't think anyone here is suggesting a 100% public sector economy. However, when it comes to 'we are all in it together' some are more 'in it' than others." That's true. Just look how Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, John Prescot and the rest of the champagne socialists are suffering now. It's shocking. | |||
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"I don't think anyone here is suggesting a 100% public sector economy. However, when it comes to 'we are all in it together' some are more 'in it' than others. That's true. Just look how Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, John Prescot and the rest of the champagne socialists are suffering now. It's shocking. " I don't think you know anything about Gordon Brown or his life. | |||
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"I don't think anyone here is suggesting a 100% public sector economy. However, when it comes to 'we are all in it together' some are more 'in it' than others. And the 'it' the poor are is the 'shit'." That's probably the result of good old Uncle Gordon doubling there tax rate from 10% to 20% so he could keep is rich friends in the city on the lowest top rated of tax in modern history. That's how much good old Uncle Gordon Brown cared out the poor. | |||
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"I don't think anyone here is suggesting a 100% public sector economy. However, when it comes to 'we are all in it together' some are more 'in it' than others. That's true. Just look how Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, John Prescot and the rest of the champagne socialists are suffering now. It's shocking. I don't think you know anything about Gordon Brown or his life." I think I probably know a lot more than you think about all of them but so what. What more do I need to know any of their lives? | |||
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"I don't think anyone here is suggesting a 100% public sector economy. However, when it comes to 'we are all in it together' some are more 'in it' than others. That's true. Just look how Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, John Prescot and the rest of the champagne socialists are suffering now. It's shocking. I don't think you know anything about Gordon Brown or his life. I think I probably know a lot more than you think about all of them but so what. What more do I need to know any of their lives? " Your post re how much Gordon cares for the poor shows just how little you know, regardless of how much you think you know. | |||
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"I don't think anyone here is suggesting a 100% public sector economy. However, when it comes to 'we are all in it together' some are more 'in it' than others. That's true. Just look how Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, John Prescot and the rest of the champagne socialists are suffering now. It's shocking. " The political classes, regardless of party, will never suffer. Having said that, the cause of the crisis, the banking classes, aren't suffering and never did. In fact, it's back to business as usual for them. | |||
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"I'd sooner go nuclear than frack. I can't believe I've said that!
Nuclear, fracking, burning imported gas, oil, coal, all have an environmental impact. Wind and wave cannot (and never will) produce anything like the amount of power Britain (or any other country) needs. Solar power technology is still way off being advanced enough to fill the gap so it is either nuclear or fossil fuels for the foreseeable future.
So Britain has a decision to make. Import oil and gas and constantly live with the volatility of world markets and supplies threatened by political instability, or frack it and have a chance of being self sufficient.
The nuclear option isn't really on the table for the next few years because of the time involved building new stations.
Fracking isn't perfect, but neither was coal mining or drilling for oil, but like it or not Britain needs it as the only way to guarantee keeping the lights on.
Tidal power. Constant (as near as dammit), and as an island we have a huge untapped resource. The energy from the Bristol channel alone is enormous. Then there are the tidal flows through the highlands if Scotland, Morecambe, menai. Its ignored, and its massive. It is not beyond our capabilities to harness it. It just isn't in some peoples interests.
And it's not that simple either. Using tidal flows will have a very large effect on the local environment disturbing fishing grounds, bird sanctuaries, marshes and flood plane plateaus. If not oden very carefully (read every expensively) it could be an environmental disaster.
Fair comment.
In the 80's Lancashire county council commissioned a feasibility study into the possibility of building a Hydro electric barrage across the river Wyre just up river from Fleetwood. The objections came in thick and fast and were mostly based on the fact that a low lying area with a very high water table (as are nearly all river estuaries in Britain) would be subject to terrible flooding should any restriction be put on the flow of the river. For another example, the Severn basin has had massive problems with flooding in the last few years and building a dam (because that is what you would have to do) would only make matters a thousand times worse.
The myths of free clean energy are mostly exactly that. Myths.
Tidal power does not have to be done using dams. The open sea is subject to tides. What your talking about is hydroelectric power from the rivers.
As for the expense, so what? Clean electricity or poisoned water tables, radioactive leaks and increased CO2 levels. The choice is yours.
Tidal power from the open sea?
Engineering and tidal flows are obviously not your strong points.
A strong current at sea is around 3 knots at mid tide on a spring, much less on a neap, and that is from Morecambe bay that has one of the largest tide flows in northern Europe (a patch of water I know very very well BTW) Have you any idea how big the turbines and general construction would have to be to harness any meaningful electricity from that?
The reason nobody has done it is simple and nothing to do with "some peoples interests" It wont bloody well work.
Wouldnt work? Any idea of the amount of energy in that body of water? It might be slow, but there is a HELL of a lot of it. Yes it would need big turbines? But they wouldnt leak radioactive waste into the sea like Sellafield et al. "It is slow, and there is a hell of a lot of it. That statement is exactly why it wont work. I will make it as simple as possible. Think of it like this. Look at a modern windmill and the size of the blades. got it? Now they produce electricity by the blade turning slowly and then through gearing turn a generator at a much faster speed. Average wind speed in the UK is something like 12/15 knots (when it's blowing of course) So if thousands of huge windmills with huge blades working in a medium that is four or five times faster than the tidal currents can only produce around 10% of Britain's electricity, what makes you think that tidal power could produce any significant amount? Build something big enough in the Irish sea and you would be able to walk to Ireland, and it still wouldn't produce enough. But tidal power is more constant than wind you may say. No it isn't, look up tidal flows and pay particular attention to "the rule of twelve" then remember that it changes direction every six hours (engineer that on the sea bed) and the 3 knots I quoted was for Morecambe bay on a spring (big) tide. Other parts of the coast can barely get half a knot. The theory of harnessing tidal power is a wonderful thought. But trust me It wont work. So I think it is much better to put thinking, planning, and resources into something that will. | |||
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"The force created by moving tides, is far greater than anything wind produces. Its virtually unstoppable. Nothing to do with speed, you can gear up a wind turbine so high that it will stop. The wind cannot turn it. You can get up a water turbine in the sea to a far higher extent. It might not give us all our power. But its a sizeable amount. And it doesn't poison us." You really don't get the physics of it do you? You are right that tidal movement is pretty much unstoppable, but that is part of the problem. Water will take the least line of resistance so if you plonk a turbine on the seabed the water will just go around or over it, very little will go through unless you restrict the flow and force it through, the same way as a modern hydro electric dam works. But you can't dam the sea. That is why hydro electric dams are on rivers, and as I said earlier the geography of Britain doesn't allow for it. If it could be done it would have been, and I don't know of anywhere in the world that produces hydro electric power from the open sea. There are some prototype gadgets around such as the sea snake which harnesses wave rather than tidal power but it is very unreliable, produces very little, and is beset with major problems. Not least that in a storm the whole lot could finish up smashed to pieces on the beach. Even it's most enthusiastic supporters now doubt its viability. There is also the "Salter Duck" invented by Stephen Salter and while he waxes lyrical about the benefits of tidal power and how he was allegedly screwed by the nuclear industry. Even he admits (way down at the bottom of his page) "We don’t always understand how strong the seabed rock is. We need to know that (how) to design seabed attachments to withstand storms" and "We also need much better ways of deploying these devices. Our installation is very cumbersome and expensive" and when asked about cost. "It is really too early to tell and I don’t trust any claims of accurate cost projections" All very whimsical to say the least. | |||
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"The force created by moving tides, is far greater than anything wind produces. Its virtually unstoppable. Nothing to do with speed, you can gear up a wind turbine so high that it will stop. The wind cannot turn it. You can get up a water turbine in the sea to a far higher extent. It might not give us all our power. But its a sizeable amount. And it doesn't poison us. You really don't get the physics of it do you? You are right that tidal movement is pretty much unstoppable, but that is part of the problem. Water will take the least line of resistance so if you plonk a turbine on the seabed the water will just go around or over it, very little will go through unless you restrict the flow and force it through, the same way as a modern hydro electric dam works. But you can't dam the sea. That is why hydro electric dams are on rivers, and as I said earlier the geography of Britain doesn't allow for it. If it could be done it would have been, and I don't know of anywhere in the world that produces hydro electric power from the open sea. There are some prototype gadgets around such as the sea snake which harnesses wave rather than tidal power but it is very unreliable, produces very little, and is beset with major problems. Not least that in a storm the whole lot could finish up smashed to pieces on the beach. Even it's most enthusiastic supporters now doubt its viability. There is also the "Salter Duck" invented by Stephen Salter and while he waxes lyrical about the benefits of tidal power and how he was allegedly screwed by the nuclear industry. Even he admits (way down at the bottom of his page) "We don’t always understand how strong the seabed rock is. We need to know that (how) to design seabed attachments to withstand storms" and "We also need much better ways of deploying these devices. Our installation is very cumbersome and expensive" and when asked about cost. "It is really too early to tell and I don’t trust any claims of accurate cost projections" All very whimsical to say the least. " . The Dutch and the Chinese have been working on it for a couple of years. http://www.powerdtp.nl/DTP/default.aspx | |||
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"I must be losing track again, I thought the boundary changes were the first act of this government about the same time as the lost vote on changing the voting system. Though the biggest boundary change also failed so Scotland will still be part of the UK
Yes I think you are losing track.
The much needed boundary changes were part of the coalition deal thrashed out in 2010. Problem is that the Limp Dims promised to support it in exchange for the referendum on PR. They got, then lost the referendum then in a fit of pique ratted on the boundary changes."the referendum wasn't for PR | |||
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"OK crystal ball time. As I look into the ball it is May 2015 and I see a smiling Ed Milliband waving to the crowds outside No 10. He didn't get an overall majority but a deal with the SNP and the 6 surviving Lib Dem MP's just gave him a small majority. Nick Clegg lost his seat in Sheffield and new party leader Danny Alexander gets the job of deputy PM. Fast forward to December and a red faced Len McCluskey storms out of the door of Downing St promising to bring the country to a standstill because Ed has ratted on his secret pre election promise to give the public sector a 6% pay rise. January and February see strikes right across the board, rubbish piles up in the streets, hospital appointments are cancelled, green goddesses are back on the streets, and dead bodies are stored in freezer trucks because the grave diggers are on strike and the mortuaries are full. By the beginning of March a deal is done and McCluskey settles for 4%. Meanwhile the immigration figures for 2014 are published showing over 400,000 net new arrivals. In the summer Nicola Sturgeon threatens to bring down the government because Milliband has broken his promise to transfer all the money from the mansion tax into the Scottish NHS. He eventually backs down and pays up in full. Scottish hospital waiting lists now average less than a week but in England 40 A&E departments are closed due to lack of funding. October 2016. Milliband is quickly running out of money, increased taxes have only produced a fraction of the cash he expected and he has way overspent, so he extends quantitative easing to print another 500 billion and the pound goes into free fall on the currency markets and Britain's credit rating is slashed. Brussels then demands another 2 billion from Britain because it has overspent (again) 2017 and 2018 see the economy drifting back into recession as tax increases and Brussels regulation force more and more British businesses into either bankruptcy or to move abroad. NHS waiting lists in England now average 18 months and walk in patients are banned from all A&E's. Immigration hits 1 million net per year. 2019 follows a similar pattern but in the autumn the English NHS finally goes goes bust and is bailed out by a Chinese hedge fund. March 2020 The Tories pull out of the up coming general election quoting that they don't want to win and have to sort out Labour's shit AGAIN. All written with tongue only slightly in cheek. " This jairmany calling, this is jairmany calling .... | |||
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"The force created by moving tides, is far greater than anything wind produces. Its virtually unstoppable. Nothing to do with speed, you can gear up a wind turbine so high that it will stop. The wind cannot turn it. You can get up a water turbine in the sea to a far higher extent. It might not give us all our power. But its a sizeable amount. And it doesn't poison us. You really don't get the physics of it do you? You are right that tidal movement is pretty much unstoppable, but that is part of the problem. Water will take the least line of resistance so if you plonk a turbine on the seabed the water will just go around or over it, very little will go through unless you restrict the flow and force it through, the same way as a modern hydro electric dam works. But you can't dam the sea. That is why hydro electric dams are on rivers, and as I said earlier the geography of Britain doesn't allow for it. If it could be done it would have been, and I don't know of anywhere in the world that produces hydro electric power from the open sea. There are some prototype gadgets around such as the sea snake which harnesses wave rather than tidal power but it is very unreliable, produces very little, and is beset with major problems. Not least that in a storm the whole lot could finish up smashed to pieces on the beach. Even it's most enthusiastic supporters now doubt its viability. There is also the "Salter Duck" invented by Stephen Salter and while he waxes lyrical about the benefits of tidal power and how he was allegedly screwed by the nuclear industry. Even he admits (way down at the bottom of his page) "We don’t always understand how strong the seabed rock is. We need to know that (how) to design seabed attachments to withstand storms" and "We also need much better ways of deploying these devices. Our installation is very cumbersome and expensive" and when asked about cost. "It is really too early to tell and I don’t trust any claims of accurate cost projections" All very whimsical to say the least. . The Dutch and the Chinese have been working on it for a couple of years. http://www.powerdtp.nl/DTP/default.aspx " I'd not seen that one, but just reading the page a couple of things caught my eye. The very first sentence says that DTP is "new and untested" It would involve building a dam of 30-60 kms long and would then only supply enough power for just over 3 million people. I can't think of many places off the UK coast where you could build a 60 km (37.5 mile) dam. Even using the lower figure of 30 kms would be a monumental feat of engineering. It would mean digging under water foundations to support a (minimum) 100 ft solid structure that has to be strong enough to withstand at least a force 10 gale and the tidal battering it would get in those conditions. I think that would be the reason why it is still "new and untested" even though the idea was patented in 1997. | |||
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"The force created by moving tides, is far greater than anything wind produces. Its virtually unstoppable. Nothing to do with speed, you can gear up a wind turbine so high that it will stop. The wind cannot turn it. You can get up a water turbine in the sea to a far higher extent. It might not give us all our power. But its a sizeable amount. And it doesn't poison us. You really don't get the physics of it do you? You are right that tidal movement is pretty much unstoppable, but that is part of the problem. Water will take the least line of resistance so if you plonk a turbine on the seabed the water will just go around or over it, very little will go through unless you restrict the flow and force it through, the same way as a modern hydro electric dam works. But you can't dam the sea. That is why hydro electric dams are on rivers, and as I said earlier the geography of Britain doesn't allow for it. If it could be done it would have been, and I don't know of anywhere in the world that produces hydro electric power from the open sea. There are some prototype gadgets around such as the sea snake which harnesses wave rather than tidal power but it is very unreliable, produces very little, and is beset with major problems. Not least that in a storm the whole lot could finish up smashed to pieces on the beach. Even it's most enthusiastic supporters now doubt its viability. There is also the "Salter Duck" invented by Stephen Salter and while he waxes lyrical about the benefits of tidal power and how he was allegedly screwed by the nuclear industry. Even he admits (way down at the bottom of his page) "We don’t always understand how strong the seabed rock is. We need to know that (how) to design seabed attachments to withstand storms" and "We also need much better ways of deploying these devices. Our installation is very cumbersome and expensive" and when asked about cost. "It is really too early to tell and I don’t trust any claims of accurate cost projections" All very whimsical to say the least. . The Dutch and the Chinese have been working on it for a couple of years. http://www.powerdtp.nl/DTP/default.aspx I'd not seen that one, but just reading the page a couple of things caught my eye. The very first sentence says that DTP is "new and untested" It would involve building a dam of 30-60 kms long and would then only supply enough power for just over 3 million people. I can't think of many places off the UK coast where you could build a 60 km (37.5 mile) dam. Even using the lower figure of 30 kms would be a monumental feat of engineering. It would mean digging under water foundations to support a (minimum) 100 ft solid structure that has to be strong enough to withstand at least a force 10 gale and the tidal battering it would get in those conditions. I think that would be the reason why it is still "new and untested" even though the idea was patented in 1997. " . True the Dutch are giants with hydraulic engineering and they do spend considerable amounts of their GDP building it, but they have shown over the last 30 years. Where there's a will, there's a way.  | |||
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"Not that any of that has anything to do with tory sleaze?" Guido reporting Sam Cameron's father receiving £3.5m in tax payers subsidies for the wind farm on his estate.. | |||
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"Not that any of that has anything to do with tory sleaze? Guido reporting Sam Cameron's father receiving £3.5m in tax payers subsidies for the wind farm on his estate.." Also nothing to do with sleaze. Who was it that set the feed in tariff so high that land and property owners could earn money from wind and solar? | |||
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"Look at the cracking sites in the states. Look at the tremors caused by mere exploratory drilling on the fylde hinterland. Look at the actual chemicals used in the water that's pumped under the ground. The frackers never openly admit what they use, but the lists are there if you look. I don't want our prehistoric water tables contaminated forever, to make a needlessly quick buck. There are better ways to harness energy. Fracking is short term madness. But that's always been our policy in this country. Make hay while the sun shines, and fuck the future generations. Hope you can afford evian, as that's the only drinkable water you will get. Because they will fuck up. They always do. The method being used here is not the same as in many places in the US but either way give the site references so we can see for ourselves. The method involves pumping water under high pressure under the ground. That water contains "some chemicals" (quadrillas phrase, not mine). Look up the chemicals used. Its a very long list. Look up the msds and toxicological data for those chemicals. Then tell me its safe to pump into the ground. And I'll tell you, you either fail to see the danger or your prepared to take the chance. Its my drinking water. I'm not taking that chance. If you want to fuck up your water source, fine. Go and play up your own end. Don't come running to me to fill your kettle. You poison your water table and youve fucked it up forever. No second chance, no way to clean it. Live with it." Yes we want oil and gas. But we are all fucked without clean water. We could have a pipeline from Scotland, but oh dear now they are independent they can screw us on water prices. | |||
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"Look at the cracking sites in the states. Look at the tremors caused by mere exploratory drilling on the fylde hinterland. Look at the actual chemicals used in the water that's pumped under the ground. The frackers never openly admit what they use, but the lists are there if you look. I don't want our prehistoric water tables contaminated forever, to make a needlessly quick buck. There are better ways to harness energy. Fracking is short term madness. But that's always been our policy in this country. Make hay while the sun shines, and fuck the future generations. Hope you can afford evian, as that's the only drinkable water you will get. Because they will fuck up. They always do. The method being used here is not the same as in many places in the US but either way give the site references so we can see for ourselves. The method involves pumping water under high pressure under the ground. That water contains "some chemicals" (quadrillas phrase, not mine). Look up the chemicals used. Its a very long list. Look up the msds and toxicological data for those chemicals. Then tell me its safe to pump into the ground. And I'll tell you, you either fail to see the danger or your prepared to take the chance. Its my drinking water. I'm not taking that chance. If you want to fuck up your water source, fine. Go and play up your own end. Don't come running to me to fill your kettle. You poison your water table and youve fucked it up forever. No second chance, no way to clean it. Live with it. Yes we want oil and gas. But we are all fucked without clean water. We could have a pipeline from Scotland, but oh dear now they are independent they can screw us on water prices." Think you will find kielder water which could supply the whole of the uk for 10 years is in England  | |||
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"Look at the cracking sites in the states. Look at the tremors caused by mere exploratory drilling on the fylde hinterland. Look at the actual chemicals used in the water that's pumped under the ground. The frackers never openly admit what they use, but the lists are there if you look. I don't want our prehistoric water tables contaminated forever, to make a needlessly quick buck. There are better ways to harness energy. Fracking is short term madness. But that's always been our policy in this country. Make hay while the sun shines, and fuck the future generations. Hope you can afford evian, as that's the only drinkable water you will get. Because they will fuck up. They always do. The method being used here is not the same as in many places in the US but either way give the site references so we can see for ourselves. The method involves pumping water under high pressure under the ground. That water contains "some chemicals" (quadrillas phrase, not mine). Look up the chemicals used. Its a very long list. Look up the msds and toxicological data for those chemicals. Then tell me its safe to pump into the ground. And I'll tell you, you either fail to see the danger or your prepared to take the chance. Its my drinking water. I'm not taking that chance. If you want to fuck up your water source, fine. Go and play up your own end. Don't come running to me to fill your kettle. You poison your water table and youve fucked it up forever. No second chance, no way to clean it. Live with it. Yes we want oil and gas. But we are all fucked without clean water. We could have a pipeline from Scotland, but oh dear now they are independent they can screw us on water prices." scotland isnt independent. | |||
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"Look at the cracking sites in the states. Look at the tremors caused by mere exploratory drilling on the fylde hinterland. Look at the actual chemicals used in the water that's pumped under the ground. The frackers never openly admit what they use, but the lists are there if you look. I don't want our prehistoric water tables contaminated forever, to make a needlessly quick buck. There are better ways to harness energy. Fracking is short term madness. But that's always been our policy in this country. Make hay while the sun shines, and fuck the future generations. Hope you can afford evian, as that's the only drinkable water you will get. Because they will fuck up. They always do. The method being used here is not the same as in many places in the US but either way give the site references so we can see for ourselves. The method involves pumping water under high pressure under the ground. That water contains "some chemicals" (quadrillas phrase, not mine). Look up the chemicals used. Its a very long list. Look up the msds and toxicological data for those chemicals. Then tell me its safe to pump into the ground. And I'll tell you, you either fail to see the danger or your prepared to take the chance. Its my drinking water. I'm not taking that chance. If you want to fuck up your water source, fine. Go and play up your own end. Don't come running to me to fill your kettle. You poison your water table and youve fucked it up forever. No second chance, no way to clean it. Live with it. Yes we want oil and gas. But we are all fucked without clean water. We could have a pipeline from Scotland, but oh dear now they are independent they can screw us on water prices. scotland isnt independent. " I was looking into the future hypothetically. | |||
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"what we are failing to take into consideration is the simple fact that statistically, 6 out of 7 dwarves aren't happy." But only in Wigan. | |||
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