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By *ensualtouch15 OP Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

I think they should be included in the TV debates ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think they should be included in the TV debates ?"

Totally agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I voted for them last elections but didn't have a clue what their policies were. I do know they're environmentalists and think it's really important we stop all the damage being caused to our planet and it's beings so figured they'd be for that. First time i ever voted too, to keep the tories out rather than i felt anyone was worth voting for.

Yeah would be good to find out what they represent, i don't think they lie.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

i agree..

own goal for 'our Dave' in not attending..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Delusional idiots

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By *ensualtouch15 OP Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"i agree..

own goal for 'our Dave' in not attending.."

Interesting ? I thought Dave , was wanting the greens to join in ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree

(shel)

Unfortunately Paul is in support of the conservatives.... But being a nurse I bloody hate the lot of them

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"i agree..

own goal for 'our Dave' in not attending..

Interesting ? I thought Dave , was wanting the greens to join in ?"

oops yes..

meant if he doesn't if they are not invited..

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

I think all parties should be included, now I would deffo tune in for that.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i think there is a fair arguement that if ukip got an invite then the greens should have done.....

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"i think there is a fair arguement that if ukip got an invite then the greens should have done..... "

totally..

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"i think there is a fair arguement that if ukip got an invite then the greens should have done..... "
But Green isn't as contentious.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"i think there is a fair arguement that if ukip got an invite then the greens should have done..... "

The same argument would stand for the SNP, especially following the referendum and public engagement in that debate. Where would Plaid Cymru fit in the markers for inclusion?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"i think there is a fair arguement that if ukip got an invite then the greens should have done.....

The same argument would stand for the SNP, especially following the referendum and public engagement in that debate. Where would Plaid Cymru fit in the markers for inclusion?

they do get invited to debates in those parts of the country to which they have representatives....

the arguement is that the greens are a uk wide party... so should be included in the uk wide debate

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By *ibbyhunterCouple
over a year ago

keighley

"i think there is a fair arguement that if ukip got an invite then the greens should have done..... "

in the 2010 election out of 310 candidates only 6 managed to keep their deposits so i think their share of the vote compared to what ukip's share is expected to be makes them irrelevant.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Camaron only wants Green in debate because they are nutters.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"i think there is a fair arguement that if ukip got an invite then the greens should have done.....

The same argument would stand for the SNP, especially following the referendum and public engagement in that debate. Where would Plaid Cymru fit in the markers for inclusion?

they do get invited to debates in those parts of the country to which they have representatives....

the arguement is that the greens are a uk wide party... so should be included in the uk wide debate

But they argue they should be included in the UK-wide debates as their parliamentary share is bigger than other parties, such as the Greens.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Camaron only wants Green in debate because they are nutters."

would that be a cunning plan to have one lot of nutters be balanced out by ukip..

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"i think there is a fair arguement that if ukip got an invite then the greens should have done.....

in the 2010 election out of 310 candidates only 6 managed to keep their deposits so i think their share of the vote compared to what ukip's share is expected to be makes them irrelevant."

But if we go on what it's expected to be and all parties have been losing votes where does that leave any debate? UKIP have a lot of press, not all of it about politics, does that equate to voter share? So far they have two MPs who retained their existing seats but have changed party and caused by-elections. How many constituencies did they fail to secure enough to keep their deposit in 2010?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think there is a fair arguement that if ukip got an invite then the greens should have done..... "

Absolutely and then I'm sure the greens will come under scrutiny and be criticised and their policy's picked apart just like ukip since there uprising.

People seem to portray the greens as knights in shining armour

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By *ratty_DamselWoman
over a year ago

London

Whoever appears, it will be a farce anyway. Just hope they have a good argument rather than mere point scoring which is boring.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think they lie!!.(that's why we don't get voted for)

There not contentious!(you do know we want to put back the fuel escalator and increase flight prices).

Were right about everything, people just don't like hearing the truth.

The public gets what the public deserve.

Absolutely we should be in the debates, even if we are 'nutters' we have a share of the vote that could be bigger than the liberals come may!!

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

Thought this thread was about getting together and having a smoke

I'll leave you to it

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By *ike4362ukMan
over a year ago

Cheshunt

I think all realistic NATIONAL parties should be included in debates. The Greens have some good polices (some fucking stupid ones too though).

I wouldn't want to see a nationalist party involved (yes SNP, I'm meaning you, even as a Scot!). I don't believe Nationalist parties that don't put candidates up elsewhere should be included from the debates and they should be barred from forming coalition governments.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"i think there is a fair arguement that if ukip got an invite then the greens should have done.....

The same argument would stand for the SNP, especially following the referendum and public engagement in that debate. Where would Plaid Cymru fit in the markers for inclusion?

they do get invited to debates in those parts of the country to which they have representatives....

the arguement is that the greens are a uk wide party... so should be included in the uk wide debate

But they argue they should be included in the UK-wide debates as their parliamentary share is bigger than other parties, such as the Greens.

but the greens did better in the locals and europeans than the lib dems..... and greens are polling higher than the lib dems.....

the problem is conservatives fear ukip....

labour fear losing some to ukip in some places (essex) , and left leaning to greens ... and the lib dems fear losing more voters to the greens.....

the greens will do well in places with huge university populations IF they can get them out and persuade them to vote... Norwich, Bristol, Liverpool and Sheffield are going to in interesting places to watch

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

This one is tricky. If the Greens are invited, then Ukip have a credible cause for an invite. SNP may be able to claim a right due to their large following, but as that is limited geographically, they may be better off with a place on a show North of the wall.

Arguments could be made on number of votes, number of seat, number of members for various permutations party's. The more party's the more like a free for all it will become. I think that Cameron has more to lose than Milliband (leader of Labour), as Milliband doesn't have that high a profile. Clegg has a lot to gain, as his stock is very low, having upset almost everyone it seems.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

I just did this http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ based on their latest Immigration, Welfare, Crime and Democracy policies and came out 50% Green and 50% Tory...which came as a massive surprise to me (and probably anyone that knows me).

The interesting thing was how similar the Immigration policies were...the majority taking their cues from UKIP in an obviously populist sea change to preserve votes.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

" Clegg has a lot to gain, as his stock is very low, having upset almost everyone it seems. "

Clegg and the Lib Dems are dead in the water, if they have more than 8 MP's after the next election, I'll be very surprised.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually the debates aren't anything like last time and I think that it's being badly arranged by the tv companies and the parties!!

Three debates being considered

1. Just labour and Tory

2. Labour Tory and Libs

3. All three and UKIP. This is where dopey Dave is asking the greens to be involved and why he has pulled out!!

Question is why aren't all three debates including all the parties?? with extra debates to cover each of the Union member parties, Wales, Scotland abd Ireland

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"I just did this http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ based on their latest Immigration, Welfare, Crime and Democracy policies "

A very interesting survey. I was a bit shocked at the amount of support for the far right, but pleased about the Greens.

I came out at 2/3 greens, 1/5 labour and 1/10 Liberal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Agree

(shel)

Unfortunately Paul is in support of the conservatives.... But being a nurse I bloody hate the lot of them

Cool. What hospital do I need to be near in case I'm run over

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Delusional idiots"

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By *allipygousMan
over a year ago

Leicester

"I just did this http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ based on their latest Immigration, Welfare, Crime and Democracy policies and came out 50% Green and 50% Tory...which came as a massive surprise to me (and probably anyone that knows me).

The interesting thing was how similar the Immigration policies were...the majority taking their cues from UKIP in an obviously populist sea change to preserve votes."

I was 50% UKIP, 25% BNP, 25% Lib Dems. An interesting result for a man of Afro-Caribbean heritage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The snp are predicted to win over 40 seats at next election and their membership has trebled since the vote making them the third largest party in uk but are being side lined despite being the most likely party labour or Tories would have to kiss up to in event of another hung parliament

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I just did this http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ based on their latest Immigration, Welfare, Crime and Democracy policies

A very interesting survey. I was a bit shocked at the amount of support for the far right, but pleased about the Greens.

I came out at 2/3 greens, 1/5 labour and 1/10 Liberal."

i shocked myself 4/9 labour, 1/3 green and 1/9 for conservative and lib dem...

left wing guardian reading hippy!!!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

The interesting thing was how similar the Immigration policies were...the majority taking their cues from UKIP in an obviously populist sea change to preserve votes.

I was 50% UKIP, 25% BNP, 25% Lib Dems. An interesting result for a man of Afro-Caribbean heritage."

Very interesting!

It goes to show what policies as they're written (though without any costing attached) and how they pan out in real terms, differ.

Did you use the same four criteria as me?

I may do it again including economic, rather than the purely social, policies as well, which should sort out the men from the boys!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"I just did this http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ based on their latest Immigration, Welfare, Crime and Democracy policies

A very interesting survey. I was a bit shocked at the amount of support for the far right, but pleased about the Greens.

I came out at 2/3 greens, 1/5 labour and 1/10 Liberal.

i shocked myself 4/9 labour, 1/3 green and 1/9 for conservative and lib dem...

left wing guardian reading hippy!!!

That's roughly what I would have expected, hence the shock at my actual results!

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Did you use the same four criteria as me?

I may do it again including economic, rather than the purely social, policies as well, which should sort out the men from the boys!"

I chose all, as I thought it gave a better choice.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Did you use the same four criteria as me?

I may do it again including economic, rather than the purely social, policies as well, which should sort out the men from the boys!

I chose all, as I thought it gave a better choice. "

I went for broadly what we're covering at University in the first year but will do it again...and hopefully lose some of the Tory tendencies

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By *heOwlMan
over a year ago

Altrincham

Yes the Green Party should be included. The problem is not that they are not being invited, but that OFCOM has (thus far) declared them to not be a 'major' party which effectively blocks them from taking part in the debates. OFCOM have decided that UKIP are a 'major' party and therefore should be allowed to take part.

The problem is that in terms of support there isnt that much difference between UKIP and the Green Party. UKIP have done better in polls but have yet to win a seat in a general ellection, whereas the Green Party have at least won a seat in a general election (2010).

Personally I feel that if UKIP are permitter to take part then so should the Green Party, conversely if the Green Party are barred then so should UKIP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think all parties should be included,"

so do I. All parties are represented at Westminster and have candidates standing in the General Election.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All of the minor parties - Greens, Ukip and the like can say whatever they like as they know they won't get elected, and therefore cannot be accused of not putting in place what they said they would do. Look how Nick Clegg capitulated over university fees.

The two main parties get the chance to say anything and then prove that they were lying just to get our votes.

I think the TV debates are pretty pointless as it is all political point scoring and negative campaigning - nobody says what they will do or have the balls to alienate a certain part of society because it doesn't want to appeal to them. They only say why you shouldn't adopt the other parties policies. No wonder we are disillusioned?...or at the very least disappointed?

It doesn't matter much whose in power as they are all trying to be all things to all men...it's just about trying to beat the system and playing the game.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with a few provisos :

1, They stand in a dark spot, no light no heat.

2, they travel to and from home to the venue using nothing other than their own motive power.

2. No sex for two weeks before or after, if they don't like it they can go fuck themselves.

Isn't democracy wonderful?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hello all,

I have little interest in these televised debates because they do very little to help us to judge what policies should work, it is just showmanship.

I had a quick look at the Green Party website and it is fairly obvious , if they are not communist then they are not far from it, and must surely be the most left wing political party in the U.K.? That and their unrealistic views about sustainable energy energy make them an unattractive proposition in my eyes.

Alec

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

Well, I tried this... and I'm shocked, saddened and ashamed at the results!

Normally I wouldn't be too worried about owning up to my results on these sort of surveys, but this time round I'm so saddened and shocked that I cant!

I need to go away and take a good hard look at what is going on here.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The snp are predicted to win over 40 seats at next election "

Only by themselves.

" and their membership has trebled since the vote ..... "

Only at £1.00 a year.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"I just did this http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ based on their latest Immigration, Welfare, Crime and Democracy policies

A very interesting survey. I was a bit shocked at the amount of support for the far right, but pleased about the Greens.

I came out at 2/3 greens, 1/5 labour and 1/10 Liberal.

i shocked myself 4/9 labour, 1/3 green and 1/9 for conservative and lib dem...

left wing guardian reading hippy!!!

That's roughly what I would have expected, hence the shock at my actual results!"

I did the whole list, spent time reading all of the full policy points, and my results disgust me, it's time I had a good hard look at what I believe in.

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By *ensualtouch15 OP Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Hello all,

I have little interest in these televised debates because they do very little to help us to judge what policies should work, it is just showmanship.

Alec"

And ukip ?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I just did this http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ based on their latest Immigration, Welfare, Crime and Democracy policies

A very interesting survey. I was a bit shocked at the amount of support for the far right, but pleased about the Greens.

I came out at 2/3 greens, 1/5 labour and 1/10 Liberal.

i shocked myself 4/9 labour, 1/3 green and 1/9 for conservative and lib dem...

left wing guardian reading hippy!!!

That's roughly what I would have expected, hence the shock at my actual results!

I did the whole list, spent time reading all of the full policy points, and my results disgust me, it's time I had a good hard look at what I believe in.

after going thru all that you have to give us a clue.... wide left or wide right?????

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"I just did this http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ based on their latest Immigration, Welfare, Crime and Democracy policies

A very interesting survey. I was a bit shocked at the amount of support for the far right, but pleased about the Greens.

I came out at 2/3 greens, 1/5 labour and 1/10 Liberal.

i shocked myself 4/9 labour, 1/3 green and 1/9 for conservative and lib dem...

left wing guardian reading hippy!!!

That's roughly what I would have expected, hence the shock at my actual results!

I did the whole list, spent time reading all of the full policy points, and my results disgust me, it's time I had a good hard look at what I believe in.

after going thru all that you have to give us a clue.... wide left or wide right?????

Ummmm.... ok, just don't judge me!

Apparently I'm so far-right that Nick Griffin is a fekkin Green/Liberal in comparison!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The snp are predicted to win over 40 seats at next election

Only by themselves.

and their membership has trebled since the vote .....

Only at £1.00 a year."
£12 a year minimum and 40 seats predicted by the pollsters bbc use not themselves well actually it was 47 seats the 45 will not be denied labour will be quashed in scotland

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just did this http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ based on their latest Immigration, Welfare, Crime and Democracy policies

A very interesting survey. I was a bit shocked at the amount of support for the far right, but pleased about the Greens.

I came out at 2/3 greens, 1/5 labour and 1/10 Liberal.

i shocked myself 4/9 labour, 1/3 green and 1/9 for conservative and lib dem...

left wing guardian reading hippy!!!

That's roughly what I would have expected, hence the shock at my actual results!

I did the whole list, spent time reading all of the full policy points, and my results disgust me, it's time I had a good hard look at what I believe in.

after going thru all that you have to give us a clue.... wide left or wide right?????

Ummmm.... ok, just don't judge me!

Apparently I'm so far-right that Nick Griffin is a fekkin Green/Liberal in comparison!

"
.I got

5 green

2 BNP

2 ukip

1 con

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By *ike4362ukMan
over a year ago

Cheshunt

"i think there is a fair arguement that if ukip got an invite then the greens should have done.....

The same argument would stand for the SNP, especially following the referendum and public engagement in that debate. Where would Plaid Cymru fit in the markers for inclusion?

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Except the SNP and Plaid Cymru aren't national parties.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Definitely should be included- they've been in parliament a lot longer than other parties and have a huge, long standing number of members.

I agree with many of their policies but unsure who I'm voting for. But they should be included in the debates!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well, if the powers that be don't want to include minority parties, then based on the last major election, why the fuck do the Liberal Democrats get a say?

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"Except the SNP and Plaid Cymru aren't national parties."

they are if you're scottish or welsh respectively

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Except the SNP and Plaid Cymru aren't national parties.

they are if you're scottish or welsh respectively"

The SNP has spent the last two and a half years trying to convince people they're NOT a national party and since they only stand in 59 out of 650 seats (less than 10%), they're right.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Delusional idiots"

Care to elucidate further, if you havent?

Global experts agree on man made climate change catastrophe and its forecast devastation. Politicians who ignore this may be better fitted recipients of your comment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree. But then I also see the argument that if you allow the Greens then SNP, Plaid Cymru and Northern Irish parties should be allowed to take part.

The other thing I have an issue with is about the Broadcasters deciding who takes part.

Hang on. They don't run the country - the PM does - and he works for us

We live in a democracy and if there are to be such debates, then it is only democratic to allow the leaders of ALL parties to take part.

Oh, and on the subject of the debate between the PM and Ed Milliband - whose to say that Ed is the only other candidate for PM.

What if 95% of the country decided to vote for Farrage in May and he won a majority.

If it wasn't for the Media, we'd probably all make up our own minds about who we want to vote for based on policies etc, rather than thinking that it might be a wasted vote due to the numbers voting for the other guy.

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By *allipygousMan
over a year ago

Leicester

The interesting thing was how similar the Immigration policies were...the majority taking their cues from UKIP in an obviously populist sea change to preserve votes.

I was 50% UKIP, 25% BNP, 25% Lib Dems. An interesting result for a man of Afro-Caribbean heritage.

Very interesting!

It goes to show what policies as they're written (though without any costing attached) and how they pan out in real terms, differ.

Did you use the same four criteria as me?

I may do it again including economic, rather than the purely social, policies as well, which should sort out the men from the boys!"

I initially used crime, welfare, Europe and immigration and then did all nine categories out of curiosity.

The result was 55.56% BNP, 22.22% Lib Dems, 11.11% UKIP and 11.11% Conservative. If I'd answered the crime question the second time around as I did the first BNP would drop to 44.45% and UKIP rise to 22.22%.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"Except the SNP and Plaid Cymru aren't national parties.

they are if you're scottish or welsh respectively

The SNP has spent the last two and a half years trying to convince people they're NOT a national party and since they only stand in 59 out of 650 seats (less than 10%), they're right."

you're confusing nationhood with the union now which is an entirely different matter

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think they should be , I don't vote for th but they do have a credible alternative view and I think they are genuine and sincere ! Also it may make people realise we need P R ! They have one seat now and probably will stay at one or Zero , but as they are polling at about six to seven percent at the moment , under P R they would get about Thirty Seats ! It shows how unfair our system is ! And il be voting U Kip !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They shouldn't be involved. The Greens are a marginal party which has no chance of forming any part of a future government so it would be a waste of time having them on the debate. Cameron only wants them there so they can take away time from the other main parties.

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