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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So the private compny brought in to run the hospital has pulled out. Not making a profit apparently. What a shock! No profits in running a private service eh!

The unions said this would happen and have been proved right.

So the public will have to step in and take over, at great cost no doubt.

It is time for the government to realise that public services should remain public and not be given to private investors who value profit above service.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

This was obvious a year ago when they started complain the care standards they had to meet were too high. Everyone said they would need to be bailed out and couldn't make a profit.

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By *olly RogererMan
over a year ago

Braintree

No shocker really, the writing was on the wall from day 1.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The crime is they knew it before they did it, but did it anyway, it's just another attempt by constant governments to destabilise the system.

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

not knowing much about this area - but is this a large company jumping on the back of recent poor publicity about the NHS and trying to raise its profile - or am I too cynical

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By *eforfuncplCouple
over a year ago

Morecambe


"So the private compny brought in to run the hospital has pulled out. Not making a profit apparently. What a shock! No profits in running a private service eh!

The unions said this would happen and have been proved right.

So the public will have to step in and take over, at great cost no doubt.

It is time for the government to realise that public services should remain public and not be given to private investors who value profit above service. "

Prisons come to mind !!!!!!

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By *ratty_DamselWoman
over a year ago

London.

Started years ago.....

That hospital in Cumbria that was not fit for purpose to start with, then the list goes on.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"So the private compny brought in to run the hospital has pulled out. Not making a profit apparently. What a shock! No profits in running a private service eh!

The unions said this would happen and have been proved right.

So the public will have to step in and take over, at great cost no doubt.

It is time for the government to realise that public services should remain public and not be given to private investors who value profit above service.

Prisons come to mind !!!!!! "

I agree re keeping public services in public ownership but most folk don't care too much about the standard of care, catering etc in the prison estate.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The NHS should not primarily be encroached upon by these private companies, seeking to make profit, whilst all money should be spent on patient care.

There should be massive fines for this outfit who are moving out, in part as their care record was the lowest ever in recorded history, based on inspections.

We should be repaid for all of the money they have taken, extra costs in reinstating it into public ownership as well as penalty charges for low standards and cancelling their contract. Scum.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"The NHS should not primarily be encroached upon by these private companies, seeking to make profit, whilst all money should be spent on patient care.

There should be massive fines for this outfit who are moving out, in part as their care record was the lowest ever in recorded history, based on inspections.

We should be repaid for all of the money they have taken, extra costs in reinstating it into public ownership as well as penalty charges for low standards and cancelling their contract. Scum."

The Conservatives intend to do this with the entire health service. Those that can pay get care, anyone else will be lucky to make it out alive with fewer health problems than they had when they went in.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Not just the NHS, and not just the Tories.

Allthe other parties (including UKIP who are very in favour of it), to varying degrees, have local Goverment services, prisons, probation, benefits agency,highways, in the target zone for privatisation.

Time for the people to stand up and say no. These services are ours. They are not for profit.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Not just the NHS, and not just the Tories.

Allthe other parties (including UKIP who are very in favour of it), to varying degrees, have local Goverment services, prisons, probation, benefits agency,highways, in the target zone for privatisation.

Time for the people to stand up and say no. These services are ours. They are not for profit."

After all, look how well privatisation worked (for those who use the services) with the services they've already sold off.

Better service? More efficient?

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By *cankeepMan
over a year ago

Norwich

If the NHS had not reduced funding by 10% at this hospital (and the reported swamping of A&E by those who should not be (ab)using it had not been a recent trend), it might have been able to have been kept running under the arrangement. I gather things were running rather well there, apart from the financials for Circle. One example of running a hospital in this was is not enough to work out the best way to run hospitals. Perhaps a different company might have been able to do it differently, better and make a profit.

I don't care if anyone makes a profit if the care / service is improved (as long as still 'free' at point of use / within reasonable funding).

Interesting how 'progressives' shout "Dogma" (or heavily hint at it) when something other than 100% state-owned and state-run is mooted. Often these progressives are the most dogmatic and conservative (with a small c), and want no change in the status quo no matter how awful state run / provided services are (see Stoke hospitals scandal, Alder Hey, Bristol Heart).

One trial is not enough - more trials should be conducted like this.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Why do you suppose so many are now "swamping" emergency care services across the country?

Because other care services have been cut beyond the bone.

Of course emergency services, the buck stops here line of treatment, is going to suffer when so much is cut from so many other care services!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Mental health care for anyone not in crisis is virtually non-existent now.

And lo:

"Failures in giving people with mental health problems the treatment they need are a significant factor in the growing pressure on accident and emergency departments, a minister has said."

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/dec/25/mental-health-treatment-failings-adding-to-casualty-strain

You have to be seriously ill to get any real help and by that point you're too ill to get the appropriate help for yourself so you end up at A&E, and possibly are a burden on the police or other emergency services on the way!

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By *cankeepMan
over a year ago

Norwich

True. Although there are many other reasons for A&E being swamped. Not an argument to not try something different though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why do you suppose so many are now "swamping" emergency care services across the country?

Because other care services have been cut beyond the bone.

Of course emergency services, the buck stops here line of treatment, is going to suffer when so much is cut from so many other care services!"

Main reason was Labour (Andy Burnham) changed GP contracts so they got paid average of £100k for basically working part time. People who would normally have gone to GPs are now forced to go to AnE because there is no other service available.

Many hospital trusts are in serious financial trouble because of Labours disastrous PFIZER initiatives in the previous term of government. Hospitals built at 3 times the true cost with the trust permanently in debt to the private companies who actually own the building.

It doesn't matter which party is in control....the cock-ups just pile in one on top of the other.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*PFI Initiative ....sorry Pfizer.....though I bet you make a good profit from NHS!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Why do you suppose so many are now "swamping" emergency care services across the country?

Because other care services have been cut beyond the bone.

Of course emergency services, the buck stops here line of treatment, is going to suffer when so much is cut from so many other care services!

Main reason was Labour (Andy Burnham) changed GP contracts so they got paid average of £100k for basically working part time. People who would normally have gone to GPs are now forced to go to AnE because there is no other service available.

Many hospital trusts are in serious financial trouble because of Labours disastrous PFIZER initiatives in the previous term of government. Hospitals built at 3 times the true cost with the trust permanently in debt to the private companies who actually own the building.

It doesn't matter which party is in control....the cock-ups just pile in one on top of the other.

"

Ah but they gave us walk-in centres. And then closed them all again

Piss up. Brewery.

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By *cankeepMan
over a year ago

Norwich

"It doesn't matter which party is in control....the cock-ups just pile in one on top of the other."

And that's the problem - government thinks it can do so much and often get's it wrong. So does private, but at least there the failures (generally) get ed out and something better can replace it. Don't get a chance with state-owned monoliths.

Perhaps Private can't improve service and outcomes, but we won't know unless there is a fair trial.

Of course, dogmatic types won't allow it because "private is evil" or something.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Unfortunately private often means out of reach, financially, to many.

How many adopted a new approach instead of sending Christmas cards this year because it's become too expensive?

How cost effective is train travel for many now, unless you book ages in advance and go at whatever time is actually affordable?

Health care is not a service that only the wealthy should be able to access.

Trains and the postal service are not usually matters of life or death.

Health care is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not just the NHS, and not just the Tories.

Allthe other parties (including UKIP who are very in favour of it), to varying degrees, have local Goverment services, prisons, probation, benefits agency,highways, in the target zone for privatisation.

Time for the people to stand up and say no. These services are ours. They are not for profit."

But ukip ARE conservatives, - just even further to the right!

IMHO, cuntycam & co will be 'highly delighted' to see them taking the ignorant labour vote as it would pull the forties even further to the 'delight-right'; be warned!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not just the NHS, and not just the Tories.

Allthe other parties (including UKIP who are very in favour of it), to varying degrees, have local Goverment services, prisons, probation, benefits agency,highways, in the target zone for privatisation.

Time for the people to stand up and say no. These services are ours. They are not for profit.

But ukip ARE conservatives, - just even further to the right!

IMHO, cuntycam & co will be 'highly delighted' to see them taking the ignorant labour vote as it would pull the forties even further to the 'delight-right'; be warned!!"

*Tory's. ........... forties? ..........bunch of winkers, maybe!!

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By *cankeepMan
over a year ago

Norwich

"Unfortunately private often means out of reach, financially, to many."

No, this is twisting the meaning of private in the context of what is being done in the NHS.

It is still free at the point of use (funded by the tax payer). So you turn up ill, you get treated, you get better (if you get the right hospital / consultant / treatment) and go home. Services are provided by a private provider (Circle) funded from the NHS. It does not mean you pay when you go to that hospital.

What was being trialled at Hinchingbrook is not equivalent to "Private Health Care" which you pay for in addition to NHS funding through your taxed. They are quite different.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


""It doesn't matter which party is in control....the cock-ups just pile in one on top of the other."

And that's the problem - government thinks it can do so much and often get's it wrong. So does private, but at least there the failures (generally) get ed out and something better can replace it. Don't get a chance with state-owned monoliths.

Perhaps Private can't improve service and outcomes, but we won't know unless there is a fair trial.

Of course, dogmatic types won't allow it because "private is evil" or something."

Show me one service in this country that works better and is just as widely accessible as it was before (in terms of access AND affordability) since it was privatised.

The claim is that privatisation increases efficiency and provides a better service. I don't see that as having happened in any service privatised so far. Generally the service quality has suffered and the cost has rocketed.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


""Unfortunately private often means out of reach, financially, to many."

No, this is twisting the meaning of private in the context of what is being done in the NHS.

It is still free at the point of use (funded by the tax payer). So you turn up ill, you get treated, you get better (if you get the right hospital / consultant / treatment) and go home. Services are provided by a private provider (Circle) funded from the NHS. It does not mean you pay when you go to that hospital.

What was being trialled at Hinchingbrook is not equivalent to "Private Health Care" which you pay for in addition to NHS funding through your taxed. They are quite different."

And how long before we do have to pay to be seen in hospital or by our GP on the basis that it's not possible to run the service otherwise.

This "we can't run it profitably" thing is leading right up to that.

The fuss about people using A&E inappropriately? A perfect reason to charge, so only those who really have an emergency use the service.

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By *cankeepMan
over a year ago

Norwich

"Show me one service in this country that works better and is just as widely accessible as it was before (in terms of access AND affordability) since it was privatised."

Telephones

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

About four times of the NHS bill is lost due to Tax 'Avoidance' - but what do you know, the Tory's seem to be dragging their feet ever so slightly on that matter, - I wonder why????????

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By *cankeepMan
over a year ago

Norwich

Right, I'm going to get back to the sex side of this site and leave the blinkered and dogmatic to only stare at what they already 'know' and resist any attempts to improve anything.

Don't get ill now!

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA


""Show me one service in this country that works better and is just as widely accessible as it was before (in terms of access AND affordability) since it was privatised."

Telephones"

I worked for one of the utilities pre and post privatisation and lokking back although it was tough at the time it was the right thing to do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Right, I'm going to get back to the sex side of this site and leave the blinkered and dogmatic to only stare at what they already 'know' and resist any attempts to improve anything.

Don't get ill now!"

Seeing as this is a very Westminster orientated thread, - I hope that isn't underage sex that you're getting back to!!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Right, I'm going to get back to the sex side of this site and leave the blinkered and dogmatic to only stare at what they already 'know' and resist any attempts to improve anything.

Don't get ill now!"

Yeah right, because it'll be different this time from the dozens of times before.

Optimistic, at best, or just gullible.

Of course the major parties, all heavily allied with big corporations and the banks, won't fuck over the little people to make the rich richer.

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By *cankeepMan
over a year ago

Norwich


"Right, I'm going to get back to the sex side of this site and leave the blinkered and dogmatic to only stare at what they already 'know' and resist any attempts to improve anything.

Don't get ill now!

Seeing as this is a very Westminster orientated thread, - I hope that isn't underage sex that you're getting back to!! "

Interesting - I would say your quote probably tells us more about your thought processes than mine, but there you go.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


""Show me one service in this country that works better and is just as widely accessible as it was before (in terms of access AND affordability) since it was privatised."

Telephones

I worked for one of the utilities pre and post privatisation and lokking back although it was tough at the time it was the right thing to do. "

Yes, privatising utilities was a great plan. Now pensioners freeze to death every winter because they can't afford to put the heating on.

It cuts the pension bill Brilliant! Huge profits and fewer old people requiring care and pensions. Result!

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By *cankeepMan
over a year ago

Norwich

"Now pensioners freeze to death every winter because they can't afford to put the heating on."

Exaggeration and hyperbole - the last resort of those whose arguments are based on rather shaky ground.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


""Now pensioners freeze to death every winter because they can't afford to put the heating on."

Exaggeration and hyperbole - the last resort of those whose arguments are based on rather shaky ground."

And of course private fuel companies are well known for reducing prices to consumers.

Prices at the pumps are crawling down whilstcrude plummets. The utility companies havent even had the decency to slowly reduce their prices. Cartels? No evidence is ever found but lets face it we all suspect they are. ..

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


""Now pensioners freeze to death every winter because they can't afford to put the heating on."

Exaggeration and hyperbole - the last resort of those whose arguments are based on rather shaky ground."

Exaggeration?

Truth!

Get your head out of the sand!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

As an opponent of mass privatisation (not dogma on my part, I believe in systems working, whichever wat they are to be run), and a supporter of efficiency, I have this one question that no-one has answered. How is it better to save money on a service then pay that money to shareholders of a private company instead of ploughing it back into the service to improve whats on offer or at least pay it back into the public purse for use elsewhere? If a service can be run more efficiently, why are we not employing the people to do that directly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


""Now pensioners freeze to death every winter because they can't afford to put the heating on."

Exaggeration and hyperbole - the last resort of those whose arguments are based on rather shaky ground."

I'm afraid it's true during harsh winters,even with the cold weather payments

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