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"When the ira bombed Briton, we didn't all suddenly think all catholics are terrorist. When Christians murdered and expelled the Jews from Spain. Did the world call it Christian terrorism. Ok what about when ultra white power christan supremist in Germany killed millions of Jews m gypsies, was that not Christian terrorism. What about what the buddists are doing in Burma right now. is that not terrorism. America in Afghanistan and Pakistan Israel in Palestine. Russian in chechenya china in uygar Only seems to be terrorism if a muslim does it. Or some might call it payback. " Are you trying to justify what the terrorist scum have done in Paris? | |||
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"When the ira bombed Briton, we didn't all suddenly think all catholics are terrorist. When Christians murdered and expelled the Jews from Spain. Did the world call it Christian terrorism. Ok what about when ultra white power christan supremist in Germany killed millions of Jews m gypsies, was that not Christian terrorism. What about what the buddists are doing in Burma right now. is that not terrorism. America in Afghanistan and Pakistan Israel in Palestine. Russian in chechenya china in uygar Only seems to be terrorism if a muslim does it. Or some might call it payback. " speaking as someone of Irish decent with an Irish surname I can certainly tell you that Irish people in general were seen as suspicious during the 70s and early 80s during the bombing! Most of us expected it to be brutally honest... We just didn't expect to be framed for various crimes by some of the police. I say some as some were quite understanding but most were neither.... A bit like today with Muslims, there'll be some that are suspicious, some who are sympathetic but the majority won't be either just the same as it was yesterday. | |||
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"Could you please explain payback. " It is where some one does something, and then another does something in retaliation, also known as payback Happy to help  | |||
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"I kind of agreed with the OP. Until I read the last line. Some might call payback? What the absolute fuck does that mean?" I did think like you they had a logical post until the very last line the I  my eyes and thought here we go... | |||
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"When the ira bombed Briton, we didn't all suddenly think all catholics are terrorist. When Christians murdered and expelled the Jews from Spain. Did the world call it Christian terrorism. Ok what about when ultra white power christan supremist in Germany killed millions of Jews m gypsies, was that not Christian terrorism. What about what the buddists are doing in Burma right now. is that not terrorism. America in Afghanistan and Pakistan Israel in Palestine. Russian in chechenya china in uygar Only seems to be terrorism if a muslim does it. Or some might call it payback. speaking as someone of Irish decent with an Irish surname I can certainly tell you that Irish people in general were seen as suspicious during the 70s and early 80s during the bombing! Most of us expected it to be brutally honest... We just didn't expect to be framed for various crimes by some of the police. I say some as some were quite understanding but most were neither.... A bit like today with Muslims, there'll be some that are suspicious, some who are sympathetic but the majority won't be either just the same as it was yesterday." As a brummie, I can tell you that that suspicion, distrust and in some cases total contempt remained in some quarters until a lot more recent than the early 80's. I'm only 43 and I can remember it quite clearly. | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change." Spot on | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change." I remember getting married in Denmark at the time when the cartoon thing happened. My ex husband who was in the US army was in his dress suit. He had to get changed in the toilet to avoid bringing attention to himself. | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change." In the name of Islam by criminals | |||
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"When the ira bombed Briton, we didn't all suddenly think all catholics are terrorist. When Christians murdered and expelled the Jews from Spain. Did the world call it Christian terrorism. Ok what about when ultra white power christan supremist in Germany killed millions of Jews m gypsies, was that not Christian terrorism. What about what the buddists are doing in Burma right now. is that not terrorism. America in Afghanistan and Pakistan Israel in Palestine. Russian in chechenya china in uygar Only seems to be terrorism if a muslim does it. Or some might call it payback. speaking as someone of Irish decent with an Irish surname I can certainly tell you that Irish people in general were seen as suspicious during the 70s and early 80s during the bombing! Most of us expected it to be brutally honest... We just didn't expect to be framed for various crimes by some of the police. I say some as some were quite understanding but most were neither.... A bit like today with Muslims, there'll be some that are suspicious, some who are sympathetic but the majority won't be either just the same as it was yesterday. As a brummie, I can tell you that that suspicion, distrust and in some cases total contempt remained in some quarters until a lot more recent than the early 80's. I'm only 43 and I can remember it quite clearly." .Yes I would agree I think it sort of peaked in the early 80s although the effects went on alot longer. | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change." well said | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change." The condemnation happens it just isn't reported. As the link isn't allowed google "46 examples of muslim outrage that fox news can;t find". Or for a more UK specific reference point google the universal condemnation of the beheading of Alan Hemming by literally 100's of UK mosques and islamic organisations | |||
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"It may be a damned hippy thing to say. But I will say it anyway. Peace. Hatred breeds hatred." . I don't think it's inhuman to hate a guy chasing you with a Kalashnikov and a grenade!. | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. The condemnation happens it just isn't reported. As the link isn't allowed google "46 examples of muslim outrage that fox news can;t find". Or for a more UK specific reference point google the universal condemnation of the beheading of Alan Hemming by literally 100's of UK mosques and islamic organisations" All very nice. Whilst this afternoons killings were happening, choudreys twitter followers grew by 1400 people. Its time for people to be proactive and a lip service internet link will no longer suffice. I know your heart is in the right place here but now is the time for the MAJORITY to take a stand. It has been done before, it is desperately needed now. | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change." This post is so true ! | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. The condemnation happens it just isn't reported. As the link isn't allowed google "46 examples of muslim outrage that fox news can;t find". Or for a more UK specific reference point google the universal condemnation of the beheading of Alan Hemming by literally 100's of UK mosques and islamic organisations All very nice. Whilst this afternoons killings were happening, choudreys twitter followers grew by 1400 people. Its time for people to be proactive and a lip service internet link will no longer suffice. I know your heart is in the right place here but now is the time for the MAJORITY to take a stand. It has been done before, it is desperately needed now. " So the condemnation that you seek and say is needed a few posts ago is dismissed as "very nice" when it is demonstrated as happening. And your argument changes completely
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. The condemnation happens it just isn't reported. As the link isn't allowed google "46 examples of muslim outrage that fox news can;t find". Or for a more UK specific reference point google the universal condemnation of the beheading of Alan Hemming by literally 100's of UK mosques and islamic organisations All very nice. Whilst this afternoons killings were happening, choudreys twitter followers grew by 1400 people. Its time for people to be proactive and a lip service internet link will no longer suffice. I know your heart is in the right place here but now is the time for the MAJORITY to take a stand. It has been done before, it is desperately needed now. So the condemnation that you seek and say is needed a few posts ago is dismissed as "very nice" when it is demonstrated as happening. And your argument changes completely
So what form should this 'desperately needed stand' take?
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"If you define a terrorist as someone who kills innocent people destroy buildings trying to cause fear and using violence as a means to de stastabilising a county ..town..or a group of people ....then ask yourself who started to terrorize who first..?" . Understanding how terrorism gets started is a very good place to start. However the blame game doesn't solve the current problem we face. And when I say we I don't mean middle class white people I mean we, there quite happy killing brown Muslim police officers, brown Muslim children, white red cross workers, black African children, gay people, straight people journalists, teachers, health workers, women....... If your not in their clique they just want you dead!. | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. The condemnation happens it just isn't reported. As the link isn't allowed google "46 examples of muslim outrage that fox news can;t find". Or for a more UK specific reference point google the universal condemnation of the beheading of Alan Hemming by literally 100's of UK mosques and islamic organisations All very nice. Whilst this afternoons killings were happening, choudreys twitter followers grew by 1400 people. Its time for people to be proactive and a lip service internet link will no longer suffice. I know your heart is in the right place here but now is the time for the MAJORITY to take a stand. It has been done before, it is desperately needed now. So the condemnation that you seek and say is needed a few posts ago is dismissed as "very nice" when it is demonstrated as happening. And your argument changes completely
So what form should this 'desperately needed stand' take?
"Mass rallies and demonstrations, marches in the street by muslims in the thousands is what i'd like to see condemning these terrorists. When someone draws a cartoon about Mohammed in Denmark or France we see muslims organise marches and demonstrations against it, so why not against these acts of terrorism in their name? Or is it only the extremists who are able to organise a march or a protest? | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. The condemnation happens it just isn't reported. As the link isn't allowed google "46 examples of muslim outrage that fox news can;t find". Or for a more UK specific reference point google the universal condemnation of the beheading of Alan Hemming by literally 100's of UK mosques and islamic organisations All very nice. Whilst this afternoons killings were happening, choudreys twitter followers grew by 1400 people. Its time for people to be proactive and a lip service internet link will no longer suffice. I know your heart is in the right place here but now is the time for the MAJORITY to take a stand. It has been done before, it is desperately needed now. So the condemnation that you seek and say is needed a few posts ago is dismissed as "very nice" when it is demonstrated as happening. And your argument changes completely
So what form should this 'desperately needed stand' take?
"We have a lot in common. I have no idea what you are talking about and neither do you. I know you are happiest when trying to create an argument but i wont be engaging in your ego trip. I have stated what i believe to be the first step on the path to unity, for some reason you (again)want to argue over trivialities. Enjoy. I wont be indulging you. Im sorry to have to tell you this but you are not nearly as clever as you like to think you are. If you were, you would give solutions not pathetic ego massages. | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. The condemnation happens it just isn't reported. As the link isn't allowed google "46 examples of muslim outrage that fox news can;t find". Or for a more UK specific reference point google the universal condemnation of the beheading of Alan Hemming by literally 100's of UK mosques and islamic organisations All very nice. Whilst this afternoons killings were happening, choudreys twitter followers grew by 1400 people. Its time for people to be proactive and a lip service internet link will no longer suffice. I know your heart is in the right place here but now is the time for the MAJORITY to take a stand. It has been done before, it is desperately needed now. So the condemnation that you seek and say is needed a few posts ago is dismissed as "very nice" when it is demonstrated as happening. And your argument changes completely
So what form should this 'desperately needed stand' take?
Mass rallies and demonstrations, marches in the street by muslims in the thousands is what i'd like to see condemning these terrorists. When someone draws a cartoon about Mohammed in Denmark or France we see muslims organise marches and demonstrations against it, so why not against these acts of terrorism in their name? Or is it only the extremists who are able to organise a march or a protest? "You are requiring a majority of innocent people to apologise and make a stand against a tiny minority. Your reason is that they are all Muslims. This is the very definition of bigotry. | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. The condemnation happens it just isn't reported. As the link isn't allowed google "46 examples of muslim outrage that fox news can;t find". Or for a more UK specific reference point google the universal condemnation of the beheading of Alan Hemming by literally 100's of UK mosques and islamic organisations All very nice. Whilst this afternoons killings were happening, choudreys twitter followers grew by 1400 people. Its time for people to be proactive and a lip service internet link will no longer suffice. I know your heart is in the right place here but now is the time for the MAJORITY to take a stand. It has been done before, it is desperately needed now. So the condemnation that you seek and say is needed a few posts ago is dismissed as "very nice" when it is demonstrated as happening. And your argument changes completely
So what form should this 'desperately needed stand' take?
Mass rallies and demonstrations, marches in the street by muslims in the thousands is what i'd like to see condemning these terrorists. When someone draws a cartoon about Mohammed in Denmark or France we see muslims organise marches and demonstrations against it, so why not against these acts of terrorism in their name? Or is it only the extremists who are able to organise a march or a protest?
You are requiring a majority of innocent people to apologise and make a stand against a tiny minority. Your reason is that they are all Muslims. This is the very definition of bigotry."Was it bigotry when people marched against the iraq war? People were marching and saying "not in my name" please explain the difference. | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. The condemnation happens it just isn't reported. As the link isn't allowed google "46 examples of muslim outrage that fox news can;t find". Or for a more UK specific reference point google the universal condemnation of the beheading of Alan Hemming by literally 100's of UK mosques and islamic organisations All very nice. Whilst this afternoons killings were happening, choudreys twitter followers grew by 1400 people. Its time for people to be proactive and a lip service internet link will no longer suffice. I know your heart is in the right place here but now is the time for the MAJORITY to take a stand. It has been done before, it is desperately needed now. So the condemnation that you seek and say is needed a few posts ago is dismissed as "very nice" when it is demonstrated as happening. And your argument changes completely
So what form should this 'desperately needed stand' take?
Mass rallies and demonstrations, marches in the street by muslims in the thousands is what i'd like to see condemning these terrorists. When someone draws a cartoon about Mohammed in Denmark or France we see muslims organise marches and demonstrations against it, so why not against these acts of terrorism in their name? Or is it only the extremists who are able to organise a march or a protest?
You are requiring a majority of innocent people to apologise and make a stand against a tiny minority. Your reason is that they are all Muslims. This is the very definition of bigotry.
Was it bigotry when people marched against the iraq war?
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"When the ira bombed Briton, we didn't all suddenly think all catholics are terrorist. When Christians murdered and expelled the Jews from Spain. Did the world call it Christian terrorism. Ok what about when ultra white power christan supremist in Germany killed millions of Jews m gypsies, was that not Christian terrorism. What about what the buddists are doing in Burma right now. is that not terrorism. America in Afghanistan and Pakistan Israel in Palestine. Russian in chechenya china in uygar Only seems to be terrorism if a muslim does it. Or some might call it payback. " . A very broad generalisation. I don't see anyone implying that all Muslims are terrorists . A highly inappropriate comment mentioning payback. We should be mourning for the deceased. | |||
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"The Muslim and Christian wars have been ongoing for thousands of years albeit we in Europe have been spared the excesses for the last few hundred of those years. The issue really does revolve around the Koran and its interpretation by followers of the faith. After the Crusades, Christianity went through a period of enlightenment and in most European (Western) countries, religious beliefs were secondary to the day to day living of society at large. Excesses in the Bible were reviewed in a more modern context and Christianity effectively modernised. A consequence of this was the evolution of radical scientific theories that eventually came to light and put the biblical theories well and truly into the box of fairy tale books. Teachings and following of the Koran has not reached the period of enlightenment because much of the Muslim world has no concept of the modern world that we take for granted. Many people in that world propose and even mandate a very strict following of religious beliefs that have not changed for thousands of years. A consequence of this is that the Muslim world has fallen behind in scholarly and scientific achievement - particularly where the science contradicts powerful and iconic religious anchors. The world of Islam needs modern leaders to bring the religion forward through their own period of enlightenment." ..By jove I really would have liked to have said your wrong but your so right about this one. | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. The condemnation happens it just isn't reported. As the link isn't allowed google "46 examples of muslim outrage that fox news can;t find". Or for a more UK specific reference point google the universal condemnation of the beheading of Alan Hemming by literally 100's of UK mosques and islamic organisations All very nice. Whilst this afternoons killings were happening, choudreys twitter followers grew by 1400 people. Its time for people to be proactive and a lip service internet link will no longer suffice. I know your heart is in the right place here but now is the time for the MAJORITY to take a stand. It has been done before, it is desperately needed now. So the condemnation that you seek and say is needed a few posts ago is dismissed as "very nice" when it is demonstrated as happening. And your argument changes completely
So what form should this 'desperately needed stand' take?
Mass rallies and demonstrations, marches in the street by muslims in the thousands is what i'd like to see condemning these terrorists. When someone draws a cartoon about Mohammed in Denmark or France we see muslims organise marches and demonstrations against it, so why not against these acts of terrorism in their name? Or is it only the extremists who are able to organise a march or a protest?
You are requiring a majority of innocent people to apologise and make a stand against a tiny minority. Your reason is that they are all Muslims. This is the very definition of bigotry."Not bigotry at all, the trouble is the tiny minority of extremists think they are acting in the interests of and possibly being supported by the majority, they are deluded and a clear message needs to be sent to them by the majority who oppose their views. | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. The condemnation happens it just isn't reported. As the link isn't allowed google "46 examples of muslim outrage that fox news can;t find". Or for a more UK specific reference point google the universal condemnation of the beheading of Alan Hemming by literally 100's of UK mosques and islamic organisations All very nice. Whilst this afternoons killings were happening, choudreys twitter followers grew by 1400 people. Its time for people to be proactive and a lip service internet link will no longer suffice. I know your heart is in the right place here but now is the time for the MAJORITY to take a stand. It has been done before, it is desperately needed now. So the condemnation that you seek and say is needed a few posts ago is dismissed as "very nice" when it is demonstrated as happening. And your argument changes completely
So what form should this 'desperately needed stand' take?
We have a lot in common.
I have no idea what you are talking about and neither do you.
I know you are happiest when trying to create an argument but i wont be engaging in your ego trip.
I have stated what i believe to be the first step on the path to unity, for some reason you (again)want to argue over trivialities. Enjoy. I wont be indulging you. Im sorry to have to tell you this but you are not nearly as clever as you like to think you are. If you were, you would give solutions not pathetic ego massages.
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. The condemnation happens it just isn't reported. As the link isn't allowed google "46 examples of muslim outrage that fox news can;t find". Or for a more UK specific reference point google the universal condemnation of the beheading of Alan Hemming by literally 100's of UK mosques and islamic organisations All very nice. Whilst this afternoons killings were happening, choudreys twitter followers grew by 1400 people. Its time for people to be proactive and a lip service internet link will no longer suffice. I know your heart is in the right place here but now is the time for the MAJORITY to take a stand. It has been done before, it is desperately needed now. So the condemnation that you seek and say is needed a few posts ago is dismissed as "very nice" when it is demonstrated as happening. And your argument changes completely
So what form should this 'desperately needed stand' take?
Mass rallies and demonstrations, marches in the street by muslims in the thousands is what i'd like to see condemning these terrorists. When someone draws a cartoon about Mohammed in Denmark or France we see muslims organise marches and demonstrations against it, so why not against these acts of terrorism in their name? Or is it only the extremists who are able to organise a march or a protest?
You are requiring a majority of innocent people to apologise and make a stand against a tiny minority. Your reason is that they are all Muslims. This is the very definition of bigotry.
Was it bigotry when people marched against the iraq war?
People were marching and saying "not in my name" please explain the difference."Who asked you to March and say "not in my name?" Force people to do something and they will resist. Encourage them, stand by them shoulder to shoulder and you will have a much better chance. | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. The condemnation happens it just isn't reported. As the link isn't allowed google "46 examples of muslim outrage that fox news can;t find". Or for a more UK specific reference point google the universal condemnation of the beheading of Alan Hemming by literally 100's of UK mosques and islamic organisations All very nice. Whilst this afternoons killings were happening, choudreys twitter followers grew by 1400 people. Its time for people to be proactive and a lip service internet link will no longer suffice. I know your heart is in the right place here but now is the time for the MAJORITY to take a stand. It has been done before, it is desperately needed now. So the condemnation that you seek and say is needed a few posts ago is dismissed as "very nice" when it is demonstrated as happening. And your argument changes completely
So what form should this 'desperately needed stand' take?
We have a lot in common.
I have no idea what you are talking about and neither do you.
I know you are happiest when trying to create an argument but i wont be engaging in your ego trip.
I have stated what i believe to be the first step on the path to unity, for some reason you (again)want to argue over trivialities. Enjoy. I wont be indulging you. Im sorry to have to tell you this but you are not nearly as clever as you like to think you are. If you were, you would give solutions not pathetic ego massages.
You said that the muslim community need to condemn extremists. I pointed out that they already do. How is that discussing trivialities?
So I repeat this stand that we desperately need - what form do you think it should take?". I think all religious people should boycott all church's,synagogues and mosques for six months and pray at home, send a message to the people at the top that the people at the bottom aren't happy. Reform of the religions themselves are our only hope. | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. The condemnation happens it just isn't reported. As the link isn't allowed google "46 examples of muslim outrage that fox news can;t find". Or for a more UK specific reference point google the universal condemnation of the beheading of Alan Hemming by literally 100's of UK mosques and islamic organisations All very nice. Whilst this afternoons killings were happening, choudreys twitter followers grew by 1400 people. Its time for people to be proactive and a lip service internet link will no longer suffice. I know your heart is in the right place here but now is the time for the MAJORITY to take a stand. It has been done before, it is desperately needed now. So the condemnation that you seek and say is needed a few posts ago is dismissed as "very nice" when it is demonstrated as happening. And your argument changes completely
So what form should this 'desperately needed stand' take?
Mass rallies and demonstrations, marches in the street by muslims in the thousands is what i'd like to see condemning these terrorists. When someone draws a cartoon about Mohammed in Denmark or France we see muslims organise marches and demonstrations against it, so why not against these acts of terrorism in their name? Or is it only the extremists who are able to organise a march or a protest?
You are requiring a majority of innocent people to apologise and make a stand against a tiny minority. Your reason is that they are all Muslims. This is the very definition of bigotry.
Not bigotry at all, the trouble is the tiny minority of extremists think they are acting in the interests of and possibly being supported by the majority, they are deluded and a clear message needs to be sent to them by the majority who oppose their views. "Encouragement and standing by them will work a lot better than requiring/demanding that they do so. Forcing people to do something because you (we) think it is the right thing to do will rarely work. In NI, the peace process was started by women across the divide joining together and saying enough is enough. No one forced them to do that, though I would like to think that there may have been some creative special ops work beavering away in the background. | |||
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"When the ira bombed Briton, we didn't all suddenly think all catholics are terrorist. When Christians murdered and expelled the Jews from Spain. Did the world call it Christian terrorism. Ok what about when ultra white power christan supremist in Germany killed millions of Jews m gypsies, was that not Christian terrorism. What about what the buddists are doing in Burma right now. is that not terrorism. America in Afghanistan and Pakistan Israel in Palestine. Russian in chechenya china in uygar Only seems to be terrorism if a muslim does it. Or some might call it payback. speaking as someone of Irish decent with an Irish surname I can certainly tell you that Irish people in general were seen as suspicious during the 70s and early 80s during the bombing! Most of us expected it to be brutally honest... We just didn't expect to be framed for various crimes by some of the police. I say some as some were quite understanding but most were neither.... A bit like today with Muslims, there'll be some that are suspicious, some who are sympathetic but the majority won't be either just the same as it was yesterday." Some places in the north west the Irish are still looked on with caution. | |||
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" Force people to do something and they will resist. Encourage them, stand by them shoulder to shoulder and you will have a much better chance." Indeed.
Unity is the biggest threat to extremists. Not just terrorists claiming to act in the name of Islam but also far right groups. They both need fear and hatred to prosper. If communities unite then extremism fails. Hatred towards all muslims as a result of this weeks events in Paris, or &/& or 9/11 just creates more terrorists as a new generation feel unfairly persecuted and become disenfranchised
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"Muslim shooter = entire religion guilty Black shooter = entire race guilty White shooter = mentally troubled lone wolf Snm" Seeing as you seem to know about this stuff - the Paris "murderers" were heard to shout "Allahu Akbar". What's all that about then? | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. The condemnation happens it just isn't reported. As the link isn't allowed google "46 examples of muslim outrage that fox news can;t find". Or for a more UK specific reference point google the universal condemnation of the beheading of Alan Hemming by literally 100's of UK mosques and islamic organisations All very nice. Whilst this afternoons killings were happening, choudreys twitter followers grew by 1400 people. Its time for people to be proactive and a lip service internet link will no longer suffice. I know your heart is in the right place here but now is the time for the MAJORITY to take a stand. It has been done before, it is desperately needed now. So the condemnation that you seek and say is needed a few posts ago is dismissed as "very nice" when it is demonstrated as happening. And your argument changes completely
So what form should this 'desperately needed stand' take?
Mass rallies and demonstrations, marches in the street by muslims in the thousands is what i'd like to see condemning these terrorists. When someone draws a cartoon about Mohammed in Denmark or France we see muslims organise marches and demonstrations against it, so why not against these acts of terrorism in their name? Or is it only the extremists who are able to organise a march or a protest?
You are requiring a majority of innocent people to apologise and make a stand against a tiny minority. Your reason is that they are all Muslims. This is the very definition of bigotry.
Not bigotry at all, the trouble is the tiny minority of extremists think they are acting in the interests of and possibly being supported by the majority, they are deluded and a clear message needs to be sent to them by the majority who oppose their views.
Encouragement and standing by them will work a lot better than requiring/demanding that they do so. Forcing people to do something because you (we) think it is the right thing to do will rarely work.
In NI, the peace process was started by women across the divide joining together and saying enough is enough. No one forced them to do that, though I would like to think that there may have been some creative special ops work beavering away in the background.".Actually what stopped most of the trouble in Ireland in my opinion was timing, they had just started the cease fire in 96/97? Which was pretty shit as the ira detonated a bomb on the same day and was patchy at best for a few years but 911 came along and the mood changed especially in America and the ira or at least most of them knew the game was up and Blair grabbed the right people at the right time and forced them into power sharing and somewhat to a lesser degree the north saw a big rise in wealth which definitely helped. | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. The condemnation happens it just isn't reported. As the link isn't allowed google "46 examples of muslim outrage that fox news can;t find". Or for a more UK specific reference point google the universal condemnation of the beheading of Alan Hemming by literally 100's of UK mosques and islamic organisations All very nice. Whilst this afternoons killings were happening, choudreys twitter followers grew by 1400 people. Its time for people to be proactive and a lip service internet link will no longer suffice. I know your heart is in the right place here but now is the time for the MAJORITY to take a stand. It has been done before, it is desperately needed now. So the condemnation that you seek and say is needed a few posts ago is dismissed as "very nice" when it is demonstrated as happening. And your argument changes completely
So what form should this 'desperately needed stand' take?
We have a lot in common.
I have no idea what you are talking about and neither do you.
I know you are happiest when trying to create an argument but i wont be engaging in your ego trip.
I have stated what i believe to be the first step on the path to unity, for some reason you (again)want to argue over trivialities. Enjoy. I wont be indulging you. Im sorry to have to tell you this but you are not nearly as clever as you like to think you are. If you were, you would give solutions not pathetic ego massages.
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Unity is the biggest threat to extremists. Not just terrorists claiming to act in the name of Islam but also far right groups. They both need fear and hatred to prosper. If communities unite then extremism fails. Hatred towards all muslims as a result of this weeks events in Paris, or &/& or 9/11 just creates more terrorists as a new generation feel unfairly persecuted and become disenfranchised
".It's hard not to be feared while being beheaded with a penknife though isn't or assassinated in your office or shot in your playground!!!. I don't think people are afraid of Muslims there afraid of those nutjob ones and I think most people make the distinction quite easily. | |||
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"I kind of agreed with the OP. Until I read the last line. Some might call payback? What the absolute fuck does that mean?" actually i was nodding with the post right up until that last line.... which really mad me mad a prefect decent post ruined..... | |||
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" Seeing as you seem to know about this stuff - the Paris "murderers" were heard to shout "Allahu Akbar". What's all that about then?" Allah is greater than good I believe but willing to be corrected | |||
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"Does anyone remember when Norway's and the world's Christians were all blamed for Anders Brievik? And other Christians were told they should march and protest? No nor me "He was a 1 man crusade, that's why, he wasn't a religion or group acting on behalf of religion? It's a massive difference! If however there became a "brevik society" which trained and brainwashed young men and women to commit terrorist attackes in the name of god I am almost certain genuine Christians in their masses would be hanging from the trees to stop it | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. Spot on" British Muslims are condemning it. I believe there is going to a rally in Manchester, tomorrow I think but not sure, to show their solidarity with the French people. A number of leading Muslims in Britain have condemned it, and on the NBBc1 North West new all the Muslims interviewed condemned it and many used the phrase 'not in our name' | |||
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"I kind of agreed with the OP. Until I read the last line. Some might call payback? What the absolute fuck does that mean? actually i was nodding with the post right up until that last line.... which really mad me mad a prefect decent post ruined..... " .Not one bit of it is accurate though. Catholics were denounced as terrorists for years after guy Fawkes. Millions of people marched all over the world denouncing the West's involvement in the Iraq war. Russia was roundly condemned for Chechnya... Sometimes I really think people(not you i personally think your posts are usually somewhere in the ball park but others have posted the exact same remark) look for some mass racist homophobic xenophobic public and yes it's there in minority just like Muslim extremists but most people are genuinely not and know who's bad and what's bad. | |||
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"Does anyone remember when Norway's and the world's Christians were all blamed for Anders Brievik? And other Christians were told they should march and protest? No nor me "But his motives were ones of racial purity, not religious zealotry. So the parallel would have been if all racist bigots were encouraged to march against the slaughter of innocents as a means of advancing racists ideology | |||
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" Seeing as you seem to know about this stuff - the Paris "murderers" were heard to shout "Allahu Akbar". What's all that about then? Allah is greater than good I believe but willing to be corrected" It means God is great | |||
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" Mass rallies and demonstrations, marches in the street by muslims in the thousands is what i'd like to see condemning these terrorists. Force people to do something and they will resist. Encourage them, stand by them shoulder to shoulder and you will have a much better chance." personally i don't need to see just muslims standing alone and condemning this, its tokenistic and its gesture politics.. it would also be used by the far right as an excuse to kick off.. i know that the vast majority of muslims abhor the actions that a few extremists are carrying out using their faith as an excuse.. the point above about standing together is by far the best way to send a united message that all are opposed to extremism.. | |||
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"I agree, why call them jihadists when what they actually are, are a couple of pricks." I disagree. They were islamic jihadi commandos, well trained and practised. The operation was well planned from a military perspective - even to the point of knowing when the one female employee would be returning with her toddler. They used military tactics, advancing in bounds, overlapping arcs of fire, double tap firing. They were highly trained, look at the bullet groupings, not random sprays, but tight groupings showing high accuracy, even when firing on the move. | |||
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" Seeing as you seem to know about this stuff - the Paris "murderers" were heard to shout "Allahu Akbar". What's all that about then? Allah is greater than good I believe but willing to be corrected It means God is great" Allah is greater than god mine should have said......not greater than good lol, damn autocorrect | |||
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"It may be a damned hippy thing to say. But I will say it anyway. Peace. Hatred breeds hatred.. I don't think it's inhuman to hate a guy chasing you with a Kalashnikov and a grenade!. " No but it's pretty illogical and inhumane to hate, blame and punish his brother, mother, farther, sister, daughter, son, friend and neighbour just because they come from the same community. | |||
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" Seeing as you seem to know about this stuff - the Paris "murderers" were heard to shout "Allahu Akbar". What's all that about then? Allah is greater than good I believe but willing to be corrected It means God is great" Thanks, I knew what it meant. I was making a point. This is what was being shouted by the cowardly fucks who murdered unarmed, defenceless people who were begging for their lives. This is what they believe. Let's not forget that.  | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. The condemnation happens it just isn't reported. As the link isn't allowed google "46 examples of muslim outrage that fox news can;t find". Or for a more UK specific reference point google the universal condemnation of the beheading of Alan Hemming by literally 100's of UK mosques and islamic organisations All very nice. Whilst this afternoons killings were happening, choudreys twitter followers grew by 1400 people. Its time for people to be proactive and a lip service internet link will no longer suffice. I know your heart is in the right place here but now is the time for the MAJORITY to take a stand. It has been done before, it is desperately needed now. " If you want the MAJORITY to take a stance and stand together then it should be to condemn extremism. I think you'd get pretty much everyone's support for that, except the extremists of course | |||
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"If you define a terrorist as someone who kills innocent people destroy buildings trying to cause fear and using violence as a means to de stastabilising a county ..town..or a group of people ....then ask yourself who started to terrorize who first..?" I know what you are trying to say but in most peoples minds the current terrorism threat started after 9/11. And we know who claimed responsibility for that. | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. This post is so true ! " But Muslims on mass are condemning it, both in Britain and France and many other places to. | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. This post is so true ! But Muslims on mass are condemning it, both in Britain and France and many other places to." Apparently mentioning that is 'arguing over trivilaities' | |||
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"Ive removed posts. There is no problem discussing this in the forums. There IS a problem in being abusive to other members, so please keep it to a discussion rather than personal attacks. Thanks. This is why not. I didn't see the deleted posts but totally disagree. We should be able to discuss contentious issues. Posts that break the rules are a reflection on the poster concerned not the topic being discussed. Nu not discussing it terrorism wins" I totally agree with this | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. The condemnation happens it just isn't reported. As the link isn't allowed google "46 examples of muslim outrage that fox news can;t find". Or for a more UK specific reference point google the universal condemnation of the beheading of Alan Hemming by literally 100's of UK mosques and islamic organisations All very nice. Whilst this afternoons killings were happening, choudreys twitter followers grew by 1400 people. Its time for people to be proactive and a lip service internet link will no longer suffice. I know your heart is in the right place here but now is the time for the MAJORITY to take a stand. It has been done before, it is desperately needed now. So the condemnation that you seek and say is needed a few posts ago is dismissed as "very nice" when it is demonstrated as happening. And your argument changes completely
So what form should this 'desperately needed stand' take?
We have a lot in common.
I have no idea what you are talking about and neither do you.
I know you are happiest when trying to create an argument but i wont be engaging in your ego trip.
I have stated what i believe to be the first step on the path to unity, for some reason you (again)want to argue over trivialities. Enjoy. I wont be indulging you. Im sorry to have to tell you this but you are not nearly as clever as you like to think you are. If you were, you would give solutions not pathetic ego massages.
You said that the muslim community need to condemn extremists. I pointed out that they already do. How is that discussing trivialities?
So I repeat this stand that we desperately need - what form do you think it should take?"And, while I've sort of agreed with what you've said so far, just above this she has actually said that what she wants is mass rallies by Muslims coming out on the streets saying 'not in my name' | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. The condemnation happens it just isn't reported. As the link isn't allowed google "46 examples of muslim outrage that fox news can;t find". Or for a more UK specific reference point google the universal condemnation of the beheading of Alan Hemming by literally 100's of UK mosques and islamic organisations All very nice. Whilst this afternoons killings were happening, choudreys twitter followers grew by 1400 people. Its time for people to be proactive and a lip service internet link will no longer suffice. I know your heart is in the right place here but now is the time for the MAJORITY to take a stand. It has been done before, it is desperately needed now. So the condemnation that you seek and say is needed a few posts ago is dismissed as "very nice" when it is demonstrated as happening. And your argument changes completely
So what form should this 'desperately needed stand' take?
We have a lot in common.
I have no idea what you are talking about and neither do you.
I know you are happiest when trying to create an argument but i wont be engaging in your ego trip.
I have stated what i believe to be the first step on the path to unity, for some reason you (again)want to argue over trivialities. Enjoy. I wont be indulging you. Im sorry to have to tell you this but you are not nearly as clever as you like to think you are. If you were, you would give solutions not pathetic ego massages.
You said that the muslim community need to condemn extremists. I pointed out that they already do. How is that discussing trivialities?
So I repeat this stand that we desperately need - what form do you think it should take?
And, while I've sort of agreed with what you've said so far, just above this she has actually said that what she wants is mass rallies by Muslims coming out on the streets saying 'not in my name'"No that was a different poster | |||
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"It may be a damned hippy thing to say. But I will say it anyway. Peace. Hatred breeds hatred.. I don't think it's inhuman to hate a guy chasing you with a Kalashnikov and a grenade!. No but it's pretty illogical and inhumane to hate, blame and punish his brother, mother, farther, sister, daughter, son, friend and neighbour just because they come from the same community." . Find me somebody who wants to do that?... Where is this nonsense coming from, I've read nowhere in any paper or tv station that concept... I hate to point this out to you but when people get scared, really scared and it's coming, then the bad shit will start. What we've got right now as Churchill said is the end of the beginning. Were not going to hug or love our way out of this current shit were in, you can't talk sense into them, you can't reasonably debate your claim to liking your head. Just because the left wing was right when we said we'll reap the whirlwind we sowed in the middle East doesn't mean they think your a nice guy and will leave you be. When you put a condom on your considering fucking. When you train 50,000 crazed religious maniacs with a death wish and arm them with Kalashnikov's and rocket launchers you intend murdering people. And yes your right we know because we did it for years! | |||
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"Muslim shooter = entire religion guilty Black shooter = entire race guilty White shooter = mentally troubled lone wolf Snm Seeing as you seem to know about this stuff - the Paris "murderers" were heard to shout "Allahu Akbar". What's all that about then?" No one is saying that the shooters were not Muslim Terrorist. What we are saying is that all Muslims are not terrorists. | |||
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"When the ira bombed Briton, we didn't all suddenly think all catholics are terrorist. When Christians murdered and expelled the Jews from Spain. Did the world call it Christian terrorism. Ok what about when ultra white power christan supremist in Germany killed millions of Jews m gypsies, was that not Christian terrorism. What about what the buddists are doing in Burma right now. is that not terrorism. America in Afghanistan and Pakistan Israel in Palestine. Russian in chechenya china in uygar Only seems to be terrorism if a muslim does it. Or some might call it payback. speaking as someone of Irish decent with an Irish surname I can certainly tell you that Irish people in general were seen as suspicious during the 70s and early 80s during the bombing! Most of us expected it to be brutally honest... We just didn't expect to be framed for various crimes by some of the police. I say some as some were quite understanding but most were neither.... A bit like today with Muslims, there'll be some that are suspicious, some who are sympathetic but the majority won't be either just the same as it was yesterday." Irish here too. Never felt involved with it because I was not old enough but knew people who were targeted for being Irish.  | |||
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"Muslim shooter = entire religion guilty Black shooter = entire race guilty White shooter = mentally troubled lone wolf Snm Seeing as you seem to know about this stuff - the Paris "murderers" were heard to shout "Allahu Akbar". What's all that about then? No one is saying that the shooters were not Muslim Terrorist. What we are saying is that all Muslims are not terrorists." But isn't he also saying that all terrorists are Muslims? Any other "terrorist act" outlined in his post have not been categorised as a terrorist act? Or have I read it wrong | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. This post is so true ! But Muslims on mass are condemning it, both in Britain and France and many other places to." Excellent. Why do you not think that taking to the streets in their thousands and protesting at the door of the likes of choudray would not be a unifying way forward? It happened with the Iraq war, with the Danish cartoons, with the google video clips. Do you really not think that right now that would be the best way to unite the entire country? I'm sorry but a relatively few qualified condemnations just don't cut it. No one is forcing anyone to do anything but I believe this is the best course of action. As I said, I will be there with them showing my support and I believe many others would be there also. I've not heard many other constructive ideas, only negativity and ego massaging. That helps no one. | |||
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"When the ira bombed Briton, we didn't all suddenly think all catholics are terrorist. When Christians murdered and expelled the Jews from Spain. Did the world call it Christian terrorism. Ok what about when ultra white power christan supremist in Germany killed millions of Jews m gypsies, was that not Christian terrorism. What about what the buddists are doing in Burma right now. is that not terrorism. America in Afghanistan and Pakistan Israel in Palestine. Russian in chechenya china in uygar Only seems to be terrorism if a muslim does it. Or some might call it payback. speaking as someone of Irish decent with an Irish surname I can certainly tell you that Irish people in general were seen as suspicious during the 70s and early 80s during the bombing! Most of us expected it to be brutally honest... We just didn't expect to be framed for various crimes by some of the police. I say some as some were quite understanding but most were neither.... A bit like today with Muslims, there'll be some that are suspicious, some who are sympathetic but the majority won't be either just the same as it was yesterday. Irish here too. Never felt involved with it because I was not old enough but knew people who were targeted for being Irish. ". My brother was arrested and held for three days for his surname when he was 21. My cousin was constantly being investigated after Birmingham because he worked close by and had access. His neighbours suspected him because of his Irish accent. My brother didn't have an accent(we were born here) just a surname that matched. It bugged us but we also understood it and expected it! | |||
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" Seeing as you seem to know about this stuff - the Paris "murderers" were heard to shout "Allahu Akbar". What's all that about then? Allah is greater than good I believe but willing to be corrected It means God is great Allah is greater than god mine should have said......not greater than good lol, damn autocorrect" Allah could not be greater than God and God could not be greater than Allah. God and Allah are one and the same thing. Allah is just the Arabic word for God. | |||
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" Seeing as you seem to know about this stuff - the Paris "murderers" were heard to shout "Allahu Akbar". What's all that about then? Allah is greater than good I believe but willing to be corrected It means God is great Thanks, I knew what it meant. I was making a point. This is what was being shouted by the cowardly fucks who murdered unarmed, defenceless people who were begging for their lives. This is what they believe. Let's not forget that. "A lot of people, myself included, believe that God/Allah is great. It does not mean we are going to go round murdering any one in anyone's name. Only an extremist would want to do that. | |||
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" Seeing as you seem to know about this stuff - the Paris "murderers" were heard to shout "Allahu Akbar". What's all that about then? Allah is greater than good I believe but willing to be corrected It means God is great Thanks, I knew what it meant. I was making a point. This is what was being shouted by the cowardly fucks who murdered unarmed, defenceless people who were begging for their lives. This is what they believe. Let's not forget that.
A lot of people, myself included, believe that God/Allah is great. It does not mean we are going to go round murdering any one in anyone's name. Only an extremist would want to do that.". I think if a Muslim walks into mcdonalds and orders a and fries most people won't give a shit although yes I'm sure there's a few scared people who may stare or even leave(it's a human trait not a racist one) however if you are running into a building waving a Kalashnikov wearing a bullet vest and shooting people in the head while wearing a balaclava and... Shouting Allah Akbar then I think it's save to presume your not a good Muslim and can roundly beat him with a chair leg.... It's not fucking rocket science | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. This post is so true ! But Muslims on mass are condemning it, both in Britain and France and many other places to. Excellent. Why do you not think that taking to the streets in their thousands and protesting at the door of the likes of choudray would not be a unifying way forward? It happened with the Iraq war, with the Danish cartoons, with the google video clips. Do you really not think that right now that would be the best way to unite the entire country? I'm sorry but a relatively few qualified condemnations just don't cut it. No one is forcing anyone to do anything but I believe this is the best course of action. As I said, I will be there with them showing my support and I believe many others would be there also. I've not heard many other constructive ideas, only negativity and ego massaging. That helps no one." I'm not against this as an idea and my ego is big enough already. It really does not need any massaging | |||
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" Seeing as you seem to know about this stuff - the Paris "murderers" were heard to shout "Allahu Akbar". What's all that about then? Allahu is greater than good I believe but willing to be corrected It means God is great Thanks, I knew what it meant. I was making a point. This is what was being shouted by the cowardly fucks who murdered unarmed, defenceless people who were begging for their lives. This is what they believe. Let's not forget that.
A lot of people, myself included, believe that God/Allah is great. It does not mean we are going to go round murdering any one in anyone's name. Only an extremist would want to do that..
I think if a Muslim walks into mcdonalds and orders a and fries most people won't give a shit although yes I'm sure there's a few scared people who may stare or even leave(it's a human trait not a racist one) however if you are running into a building waving a Kalashnikov wearing a bullet vest and shooting people in the head while wearing a balaclava and... Shouting Allah Akbar then I think it's save to presume your not a good Muslim and can roundly beat him with a chair leg.... It's not fucking rocket science"I would not disagree with that. Why have you added it as a comment to my post about the meaning of Allah Akbar? | |||
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"I'll tell you what is wrong. Just ten minutes ago on a bbc satire comedy show the host said he wouldn't show the cartoons as although he believes in free speech he didn't want to upset nice Muslims. Ahhh sounds nice.. Five minutes later he took the piss out of prince Andrew for being a paedo and said his mum was proud of him... Glad to see there's no bigotry or discrimination against rich white women then..FFS " The self censorship has already started. | |||
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"The 'Muslim community' is not one cohesive unit... In terms of many fundamental beliefs, one group can differ majorly to another. They can't even agree on a day for Eid. They differ on the nature of God, on how to pray, even on whether you can eat at Nandos! Some scholars feel the Palestinians should leave Palestine to avoid further bloodshed - countries such as Algeria have welcome those that choose to do this - others feel they should fight for what is theirs. Some individuals refuse to pray in certain mosques due to the relative differences between themselves. Point being....it's not a big organised community. There are lots of small groups who agree on some things and completely oppose each other on some matters. Up and down the country, you are likely to have heard a Friday Sermon condemning the attacks, highlighting how completely unislamic they are and perhaps likening the criminals as the Khawarij. Some muslims will fear retaliation - most will go about their business like everyone else - sickened by another unjustifiable criminal act against humanity. I'm not sure mosques or community leaders could organise massive or even medium sized rallies anyway. The Muslim 'community' in the UK isn't noted for taking such action - unless, perhaps, when individuals who happen to be muslim are also affiliated with certain left wing groups such as the Socialist Worker Party etc I personally don't feel I ought to apologise for what these criminals have done - it's for the perpetrators to do - it is for them to feel the full force of the law and pay for their crimes as individuals and/or organised groups. Their motivations and beliefs aren't mine. Their Islam is far removed from mine. They don't represent me. I represent me. I can understand people's anger though - it is an emotional time whenever innocent people die in such a way. " | |||
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"When the ira bombed Briton, we didn't all suddenly think all catholics are terrorist. When Christians murdered and expelled the Jews from Spain. Did the world call it Christian terrorism. Ok what about when ultra white power christan supremist in Germany killed millions of Jews m gypsies, was that not Christian terrorism. What about what the buddists are doing in Burma right now. is that not terrorism. America in Afghanistan and Pakistan Israel in Palestine. Russian in chechenya china in uygar Only seems to be terrorism if a muslim does it. Or some might call it payback. " You forgot the Indians in Kashmir *yawns* You'll be saying that Muslims should get what they want in these conflicts then the world will be at peace! I don't think so, give these extremists what they want then they'll want more. Personally I think it's world domination. | |||
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"I'll tell you what is wrong. Just ten minutes ago on a bbc satire comedy show the host said he wouldn't show the cartoons as although he believes in free speech he didn't want to upset nice Muslims. Ahhh sounds nice.. Five minutes later he took the piss out of prince Andrew for being a paedo and said his mum was proud of him... Glad to see there's no bigotry or discrimination against rich white women then..FFS The self censorship has already started. " the last leg is not in the bbc. | |||
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"I'll tell you what is wrong. Just ten minutes ago on a bbc satire comedy show the host said he wouldn't show the cartoons as although he believes in free speech he didn't want to upset nice Muslims. Ahhh sounds nice.. Five minutes later he took the piss out of prince Andrew for being a paedo and said his mum was proud of him... Glad to see there's no bigotry or discrimination against rich white women then..FFS The self censorship has already started. " . That's not self censorship it's fear, do you think the old bird doesn't have any feelings for her biological son that she raised that she feels no pain or anguish no of course she does she just ain't going to chop no ones head off for being offended!.. I'm offended that people find being offended worse than decapitation... I can't take the piss out of a prophet that some guy never met and probably never existed anyhow because it might offend him but I can take the piss out of an old womans son that she actually has met and got feelings for..... It's mass madness | |||
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" Seeing as you seem to know about this stuff - the Paris "murderers" were heard to shout "Allahu Akbar". What's all that about then? Allahu is greater than good I believe but willing to be corrected It means God is great Thanks, I knew what it meant. I was making a point. This is what was being shouted by the cowardly fucks who murdered unarmed, defenceless people who were begging for their lives. This is what they believe. Let's not forget that.
A lot of people, myself included, believe that God/Allah is great. It does not mean we are going to go round murdering any one in anyone's name. Only an extremist would want to do that..
I think if a Muslim walks into mcdonalds and orders a and fries most people won't give a shit although yes I'm sure there's a few scared people who may stare or even leave(it's a human trait not a racist one) however if you are running into a building waving a Kalashnikov wearing a bullet vest and shooting people in the head while wearing a balaclava and... Shouting Allah Akbar then I think it's save to presume your not a good Muslim and can roundly beat him with a chair leg.... It's not fucking rocket science
I would not disagree with that. Why have you added it as a comment to my post about the meaning of Allah Akbar?"because I like you | |||
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"When the ira bombed Briton, we didn't all suddenly think all catholics are terrorist. When Christians murdered and expelled the Jews from Spain. Did the world call it Christian terrorism. Ok what about when ultra white power christan supremist in Germany killed millions of Jews m gypsies, was that not Christian terrorism. What about what the buddists are doing in Burma right now. is that not terrorism. America in Afghanistan and Pakistan Israel in Palestine. Russian in chechenya china in uygar Only seems to be terrorism if a muslim does it. Or some might call it payback. " Great point there truly is a double standard. | |||
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"I think we are all missing the point here. These men, be it one colour, creed or faith, took arms against other men. They commited Murder. A criminal act. They shot and killed a French Police officer, who was guarding men who poked fun at his God. While he guarded those men....he watched over something far more important, free speach. We all enjoy this site, the sexual freedom we take for granted. Be thankful we don't live in Russia. Today people died in the name of their god, killed in the name of their God. No God I have ever read about asked that of us. They are criminals, and I am sure most "God's" would hashtag "not in my name". As a final note to this post, I would like to say the families of those who died today are in my thoughts and prayers." | |||
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"I agree, why call them jihadists when what they actually are, are a couple of pricks. I disagree. They were islamic jihadi commandos, well trained and practised. The operation was well planned from a military perspective - even to the point of knowing when the one female employee would be returning with her toddler. They used military tactics, advancing in bounds, overlapping arcs of fire, double tap firing. They were highly trained, look at the bullet groupings, not random sprays, but tight groupings showing high accuracy, even when firing on the move. " The real term for jihad means personal fight or hardship within ones self . | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. Spot on" Sad that there has been such events but respect this view | |||
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"I agree, why call them jihadists when what they actually are, are a couple of pricks. I disagree. They were islamic jihadi commandos, well trained and practised. The operation was well planned from a military perspective - even to the point of knowing when the one female employee would be returning with her toddler. They used military tactics, advancing in bounds, overlapping arcs of fire, double tap firing. They were highly trained, look at the bullet groupings, not random sprays, but tight groupings showing high accuracy, even when firing on the move. The real term for jihad means personal fight or hardship within ones self . " . Actual it means exerted effort.. A religious jihad is the expending of utmost effort in upholding and defending justice. I'm no Muslim but that is from the Islamic website! | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. The condemnation happens it just isn't reported. As the link isn't allowed google "46 examples of muslim outrage that fox news can;t find". Or for a more UK specific reference point google the universal condemnation of the beheading of Alan Hemming by literally 100's of UK mosques and islamic organisations All very nice. Whilst this afternoons killings were happening, choudreys twitter followers grew by 1400 people. Its time for people to be proactive and a lip service internet link will no longer suffice. I know your heart is in the right place here but now is the time for the MAJORITY to take a stand. It has been done before, it is desperately needed now. So the condemnation that you seek and say is needed a few posts ago is dismissed as "very nice" when it is demonstrated as happening. And your argument changes completely
So what form should this 'desperately needed stand' take?
Mass rallies and demonstrations, marches in the street by muslims in the thousands is what i'd like to see condemning these terrorists. When someone draws a cartoon about Mohammed in Denmark or France we see muslims organise marches and demonstrations against it, so why not against these acts of terrorism in their name? Or is it only the extremists who are able to organise a march or a protest?
You are requiring a majority of innocent people to apologise and make a stand against a tiny minority. Your reason is that they are all Muslims. This is the very definition of bigotry.
Not bigotry at all, the trouble is the tiny minority of extremists think they are acting in the interests of and possibly being supported by the majority, they are deluded and a clear message needs to be sent to them by the majority who oppose their views.
Encouragement and standing by them will work a lot better than requiring/demanding that they do so. Forcing people to do something because you (we) think it is the right thing to do will rarely work.
In NI, the peace process was started by women across the divide joining together and saying enough is enough. No one forced them to do that, though I would like to think that there may have been some creative special ops work beavering away in the background."You have a selective and rose tinted view of a failing NI peace process. As did those optimists that awarded Nobel peace prizes. | |||
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I would say that has to be nearly one of the most stupid remarks I've ever read, what if you define a terrorist as someone who just thumbs liberal shite on any thread... I'm terrorised by what you might thumb next!"I feel sorry for you if you look closely at what's happening then you would see that Saddam and gadaffi didn't actually do anything wrong then only wanted to change how oil is paid for and for that they got killed and there countries invaded also if you look closely you would see that wars are not started on merit or right and wrong but the greed of mainly one American family who owns more than half of the world's wealth inculding the bank of England and the federal reserve plus he central banks of France Germany and Italy ....in fact there's only 5 countries in the world that this said family dosent own the central bank or the currency .... If you want to talk about terrorism and the war on terror ..maybe the real terrorist is the people of generate money from thin air and then charge you interest money | |||
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"I'll tell you what is wrong. Just ten minutes ago on a bbc satire comedy show the host said he wouldn't show the cartoons as although he believes in free speech he didn't want to upset nice Muslims. Ahhh sounds nice.. Five minutes later he took the piss out of prince Andrew for being a paedo and said his mum was proud of him... Glad to see there's no bigotry or discrimination against rich white women then..FFS " So what he really meant was , I don't want to get shot or bombed ! Off with his head ! I didn't see it , who was it ? It sounds typical of our comics tho , take the pee out of Christians no probs , Islam ? Er better not ! | |||
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"When the ira bombed Briton, we didn't all suddenly think all catholics are terrorist. When Christians murdered and expelled the Jews from Spain. Did the world call it Christian terrorism. Ok what about when ultra white power christan supremist in Germany killed millions of Jews m gypsies, was that not Christian terrorism. What about what the buddists are doing in Burma right now. is that not terrorism. America in Afghanistan and Pakistan Israel in Palestine. Russian in chechenya china in uygar Only seems to be terrorism if a muslim does it. Or some might call it payback. " And likewise, referring to your original comment; The Irish didn't really believe that all British were terrorists when their shores were terrorised by the British Army, ............ people on the whole are not so stupid!! I reiterate; 'on the whole' !!  !! | |||
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"When the ira bombed Briton, we didn't all suddenly think all catholics are terrorist. When Christians murdered and expelled the Jews from Spain. Did the world call it Christian terrorism. Ok what about when ultra white power christan supremist in Germany killed millions of Jews m gypsies, was that not Christian terrorism. What about what the buddists are doing in Burma right now. is that not terrorism. America in Afghanistan and Pakistan Israel in Palestine. Russian in chechenya china in uygar Only seems to be terrorism if a muslim does it. Or some might call it payback. speaking as someone of Irish decent with an Irish surname I can certainly tell you that Irish people in general were seen as suspicious during the 70s and early 80s during the bombing! Most of us expected it to be brutally honest... We just didn't expect to be framed for various crimes by some of the police. I say some as some were quite understanding but most were neither.... A bit like today with Muslims, there'll be some that are suspicious, some who are sympathetic but the majority won't be either just the same as it was yesterday. Irish here too. Never felt involved with it because I was not old enough but knew people who were targeted for being Irish. .
My brother was arrested and held for three days for his surname when he was 21.
My cousin was constantly being investigated after Birmingham because he worked close by and had access. His neighbours suspected him because of his Irish accent.
My brother didn't have an accent(we were born here) just a surname that matched.
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"When the ira bombed Briton, we didn't all suddenly think all catholics are terrorist. When Christians murdered and expelled the Jews from Spain. Did the world call it Christian terrorism. Ok what about when ultra white power christan supremist in Germany killed millions of Jews m gypsies, was that not Christian terrorism. What about what the buddists are doing in Burma right now. is that not terrorism. America in Afghanistan and Pakistan Israel in Palestine. Russian in chechenya china in uygar Only seems to be terrorism if a muslim does it. Or some might call it payback. " I notice there that those you mentioned first, mostly have uniforms and have a set of rules, the second part, they seem to be those who kill others, namely people who are going about their business, becouse they have an agenda and their way is to kill, destroy and turn the population into scared and subservient people for what, a false interpretation of a belief. ... Yes I mostly did, especially if the rest of the "comunity" didn't condone it... | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. Spot on Sad that there has been such events but respect this view That bastard lives in my community. I bawled out some German media blokes for interviewing him in a public space. He was ranting about homosexuality being wrong but had legged it before I got there so I had a pop at them. .....it was interesting how they reacted. " Its also interesting to see choudray using the press to tell the world " muslims don't believe in freedom of speech"...oh the irony | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. Spot on Sad that there has been such events but respect this view That bastard lives in my community. I bawled out some German media blokes for interviewing him in a public space. He was ranting about homosexuality being wrong but had legged it before I got there so I had a pop at them. .....it was interesting how they reacted. Its also interesting to see choudray using the press to tell the world " muslims don't believe in freedom of speech"...oh the irony " He's a wanker. | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. Spot on Sad that there has been such events but respect this view That bastard lives in my community. I bawled out some German media blokes for interviewing him in a public space. He was ranting about homosexuality being wrong but had legged it before I got there so I had a pop at them. .....it was interesting how they reacted. "
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. Spot on Sad that there has been such events but respect this view That bastard lives in my community. I bawled out some German media blokes for interviewing him in a public space. He was ranting about homosexuality being wrong but had legged it before I got there so I had a pop at them. .....it was interesting how they reacted.
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. Spot on Sad that there has been such events but respect this view That bastard lives in my community. I bawled out some German media blokes for interviewing him in a public space. He was ranting about homosexuality being wrong but had legged it before I got there so I had a pop at them. .....it was interesting how they reacted. " How did they react ? You said it was interesting ? | |||
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"If you define a terrorist as someone who kills innocent people destroy buildings trying to cause fear and using violence as a means to de stastabilising a county ..town..or a group of people ....then ask yourself who started to terrorize who first..? .
I would say that has to be nearly one of the most stupid remarks I've ever read, what if you define a terrorist as someone who just thumbs liberal shite on any thread... I'm terrorised by what you might thumb next! I feel sorry for you if you look closely at what's happening then you would see that Saddam and gadaffi didn't actually do anything wrong then only wanted to change how oil is paid for and for that they got killed and there countries invaded also if you look closely you would see that wars are not started on merit or right and wrong but the greed of mainly one American family who owns more than half of the world's wealth inculding the bank of England and the federal reserve plus he central banks of France Germany and Italy ....in fact there's only 5 countries in the world that this said family dosent own the central bank or the currency .... If you want to talk about terrorism and the war on terror ..maybe the real terrorist is the people of generate money from thin air and then charge you interest money". I don't know where to begin but I'll start with Saddam butchered more of his own people than anyone, if that's "not doing anything wrong" I honestly can't help you, I've read every conspiracy theory there is, there's a little bit of truth I'm most of them , your right the wealthy do manipulate situations for their own benefit (I actually wrote on another thread six months ago where I suspect isis get there funding from). It's not actually cloak and dagger newsnight did a whole 20 minute report on it!. So yes I know where the crazed geo political manoeuvring gets us , there a bit like Frankenstein they create monsters in an effort to get what they want!, unfortunately they never read Frankenstein or there'd have known that Frankenstein's monster once it had got a life of its own became uncontrollable and ran amok killing his friends and bride until it left him alone and bitter like the monster he'd created!. You don't need to tell me where the bad shit in life comes from!, I've preached about it for fucking 20 years, I know the wealthy twats cause the problems, but knowing that doesn't solve are current problem of the monsters hand round our throats!!. This monster is alive, it's committed, has a goal and has real strength, it's shed its financial shackles and is self financing though belief,just like the catholic ira was financed by "nice but devout believers" in the states a far away country from people actually seeing the shit that goes on, Islamic nutjobs are financed by devout non extremists, like you they've read to many conspiracy theories and not actually thought it through. | |||
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I would say that has to be nearly one of the most stupid remarks I've ever read, what if you define a terrorist as someone who just thumbs liberal shite on any thread... I'm terrorised by what you might thumb next! I feel sorry for you if you look closely at what's happening then you would see that Saddam and gadaffi didn't actually do anything wrong then only wanted to change how oil is paid for and for that they got killed and there countries invaded also if you look closely you would see that wars are not started on merit or right and wrong but the greed of mainly one American family who owns more than half of the world's wealth inculding the bank of England and the federal reserve plus he central banks of France Germany and Italy ....in fact there's only 5 countries in the world that this said family dosent own the central bank or the currency .... If you want to talk about terrorism and the war on terror ..maybe the real terrorist is the people of generate money from thin air and then charge you interest money.
I don't know where to begin but I'll start with Saddam butchered more of his own people than anyone, if that's "not doing anything wrong" I honestly can't help you, I've read every conspiracy theory there is, there's a little bit of truth I'm most of them , your right the wealthy do manipulate situations for their own benefit (I actually wrote on another thread six months ago where I suspect isis get there funding from). It's not actually cloak and dagger newsnight did a whole 20 minute report on it!. So yes I know where the crazed geo political manoeuvring gets us , there a bit like Frankenstein they create monsters in an effort to get what they want!, unfortunately they never read Frankenstein or there'd have known that Frankenstein's monster once it had got a life of its own became uncontrollable and ran amok killing his friends and bride until it left him alone and bitter like the monster he'd created!.
You don't need to tell me where the bad shit in life comes from!, I've preached about it for fucking 20 years, I know the wealthy twats cause the problems, but knowing that doesn't solve are current problem of the monsters hand round our throats!!.
This monster is alive, it's committed, has a goal and has real strength, it's shed its financial shackles and is self financing though belief,just like the catholic ira was financed by "nice but devout believers" in the states a far away country from people actually seeing the shit that goes on, Islamic nutjobs are financed by devout non extremists, like you they've read to many conspiracy theories and not actually thought it through."Well said And Gadaffi supported terrorism around the world, both financially, by providing training and by giving arms and explosives | |||
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I would say that has to be nearly one of the most stupid remarks I've ever read, what if you define a terrorist as someone who just thumbs liberal shite on any thread... I'm terrorised by what you might thumb next! I feel sorry for you if you look closely at what's happening then you would see that Saddam and gadaffi didn't actually do anything wrong then only wanted to change how oil is paid for and for that they got killed and there countries invaded also if you look closely you would see that wars are not started on merit or right and wrong but the greed of mainly one American family who owns more than half of the world's wealth inculding the bank of England and the federal reserve plus he central banks of France Germany and Italy ....in fact there's only 5 countries in the world that this said family dosent own the central bank or the currency .... If you want to talk about terrorism and the war on terror ..maybe the real terrorist is the people of generate money from thin air and then charge you interest money"Who's this American family then? I'm lost! | |||
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I would say that has to be nearly one of the most stupid remarks I've ever read, what if you define a terrorist as someone who just thumbs liberal shite on any thread... I'm terrorised by what you might thumb next! I feel sorry for you if you look closely at what's happening then you would see that Saddam and gadaffi didn't actually do anything wrong then only wanted to change how oil is paid for and for that they got killed and there countries invaded also if you look closely you would see that wars are not started on merit or right and wrong but the greed of mainly one American family who owns more than half of the world's wealth inculding the bank of England and the federal reserve plus he central banks of France Germany and Italy ....in fact there's only 5 countries in the world that this said family dosent own the central bank or the currency .... If you want to talk about terrorism and the war on terror ..maybe the real terrorist is the people of generate money from thin air and then charge you interest money"Saddam and Gaddafi did nothing wrong ? How about torturing and Murdering their own family members, How about torturing and murdering anybody who dared to disagree with them, How about the gassing of thousands, How about Genocide..No hold on it was the Rothschilds wasnt it
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I would say that has to be nearly one of the most stupid remarks I've ever read, what if you define a terrorist as someone who just thumbs liberal shite on any thread... I'm terrorised by what you might thumb next! I feel sorry for you if you look closely at what's happening then you would see that Saddam and gadaffi didn't actually do anything wrong then only wanted to change how oil is paid for and for that they got killed and there countries invaded also if you look closely you would see that wars are not started on merit or right and wrong but the greed of mainly one American family who owns more than half of the world's wealth inculding the bank of England and the federal reserve plus he central banks of France Germany and Italy ....in fact there's only 5 countries in the world that this said family dosent own the central bank or the currency .... If you want to talk about terrorism and the war on terror ..maybe the real terrorist is the people of generate money from thin air and then charge you interest money
Saddam and Gaddafi did nothing wrong ?
How about torturing and Murdering their own family members, How about torturing and murdering anybody who dared to disagree with them, How about the gassing of thousands, How about Genocide..No hold on it was the Rothschilds wasnt it
Call to Arms Brothers and Sisters lets take over the banking system and give it to the people to run
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"When the ira bombed Briton, we didn't all suddenly think all catholics are terrorist. When Christians murdered and expelled the Jews from Spain. Did the world call it Christian terrorism. Ok what about when ultra white power christan supremist in Germany killed millions of Jews m gypsies, was that not Christian terrorism. What about what the buddists are doing in Burma right now. is that not terrorism. America in Afghanistan and Pakistan Israel in Palestine. Russian in chechenya china in uygar Only seems to be terrorism if a muslim does it. Or some might call it payback. " I think it's a good opening post and unlike some other posters on here I agree with the last sentence. Some might indeed call it payback, but anyone who does can be described at best as a sympathiser, at worst as an extremist. These people offer the 'fuel and validation' that violent extremists thrive on. They are part of the radicalisation process because they readily offer or accept excuses for murder. The whole 'eye for an eye' or revenge brigade will always be able to find justification for the worst of atrocities. What evolved people need to do is realise that 'payback' is a cycle that needs to be broken. To use a less popular ideology that many of these religions have as a core part of their doctrine....'forgiveness' is key to progress. Forgiveness and payback don't mix. Forgiveness is a step too far for most, but 'drawing a line' is the minimum requirement to breaking the cycle. | |||
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"Ffs this is a swing site keep politics and terrorism out of a site that is meant for happy people to connect with happy people. If you have a gripe over terrorism and dictatorship go and complain yo your MP or the GOVT this is not the place to discuss issues of the world, Why isn't it? Who are you to tell people what topics can abd can't be discussed? Some of us prefer these sort of threads and a decent debate" Agree but I'm beginning to wonder whether it's worth the candle. The number of unpleasant messages I've received in my inbox since posting on this thread would have to seen to be believed. I'm quite shocked really. | |||
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"Ffs this is a swing site keep politics and terrorism out of a site that is meant for happy people to connect with happy people. If you have a gripe over terrorism and dictatorship go and complain yo your MP or the GOVT this is not the place to discuss issues of the world, Why isn't it? Who are you to tell people what topics can abd can't be discussed? Some of us prefer these sort of threads and a decent debate Agree but I'm beginning to wonder whether it's worth the candle. The number of unpleasant messages I've received in my inbox since posting on this thread would have to seen to be believed. I'm quite shocked really." sad and not necessary.. | |||
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"Ffs this is a swing site keep politics and terrorism out of a site that is meant for happy people to connect with happy people. If you have a gripe over terrorism and dictatorship go and complain yo your MP or the GOVT this is not the place to discuss issues of the world, Why isn't it? Who are you to tell people what topics can abd can't be discussed? Some of us prefer these sort of threads and a decent debate Agree but I'm beginning to wonder whether it's worth the candle. The number of unpleasant messages I've received in my inbox since posting on this thread would have to seen to be believed. I'm quite shocked really." I wouldn't bother to send unpleasant messages I just block people. | |||
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"Ffs this is a swing site keep politics and terrorism out of a site that is meant for happy people to connect with happy people. If you have a gripe over terrorism and dictatorship go and complain yo your MP or the GOVT this is not the place to discuss issues of the world, Why isn't it? Who are you to tell people what topics can abd can't be discussed? Some of us prefer these sort of threads and a decent debate Agree but I'm beginning to wonder whether it's worth the candle. The number of unpleasant messages I've received in my inbox since posting on this thread would have to seen to be believed. I'm quite shocked really. I wouldn't bother to send unpleasant messages I just block people." which is ones personal choice, though maybe as equally sad.. | |||
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"Ffs this is a swing site keep politics and terrorism out of a site that is meant for happy people to connect with happy people. If you have a gripe over terrorism and dictatorship go and complain yo your MP or the GOVT this is not the place to discuss issues of the world, Why isn't it? Who are you to tell people what topics can abd can't be discussed? Some of us prefer these sort of threads and a decent debate Agree but I'm beginning to wonder whether it's worth the candle. The number of unpleasant messages I've received in my inbox since posting on this thread would have to seen to be believed. I'm quite shocked really. I wouldn't bother to send unpleasant messages I just block people. which is ones personal choice, though maybe as equally sad.." oh and whys that. | |||
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"Ffs this is a swing site keep politics and terrorism out of a site that is meant for happy people to connect with happy people. If you have a gripe over terrorism and dictatorship go and complain yo your MP or the GOVT this is not the place to discuss issues of the world, Why isn't it? Who are you to tell people what topics can abd can't be discussed? Some of us prefer these sort of threads and a decent debate Agree but I'm beginning to wonder whether it's worth the candle. The number of unpleasant messages I've received in my inbox since posting on this thread would have to seen to be believed. I'm quite shocked really. I wouldn't bother to send unpleasant messages I just block people. which is ones personal choice, though maybe as equally sad.. oh and whys that." blocking people who would never meet you in a million years because of the possibility they may send unpleasant messages or perhaps their opinion/view is a bit bizarre when one may still converse in an open forum.. imo respect others will differ.. | |||
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"Ffs this is a swing site keep politics and terrorism out of a site that is meant for happy people to connect with happy people. If you have a gripe over terrorism and dictatorship go and complain yo your MP or the GOVT this is not the place to discuss issues of the world, Why isn't it? Who are you to tell people what topics can abd can't be discussed? Some of us prefer these sort of threads and a decent debate Agree but I'm beginning to wonder whether it's worth the candle. The number of unpleasant messages I've received in my inbox since posting on this thread would have to seen to be believed. I'm quite shocked really. I wouldn't bother to send unpleasant messages I just block people. which is ones personal choice, though maybe as equally sad.. oh and whys that. blocking people who would never meet you in a million years because of the possibility they may send unpleasant messages or perhaps their opinion/view is a bit bizarre when one may still converse in an open forum.. imo respect others will differ.. " I block people just so as to remind me of what type of people they are so I don't forget, not because im expecting or would want to meet them. | |||
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"Ffs this is a swing site keep politics and terrorism out of a site that is meant for happy people to connect with happy people. If you have a gripe over terrorism and dictatorship go and complain yo your MP or the GOVT this is not the place to discuss issues of the world, Why isn't it? Who are you to tell people what topics can abd can't be discussed? Some of us prefer these sort of threads and a decent debate Agree but I'm beginning to wonder whether it's worth the candle. The number of unpleasant messages I've received in my inbox since posting on this thread would have to seen to be believed. I'm quite shocked really." Single male complains he gets too much mail!?!?!?!?! Now there's a thread. I for one hope you stick with it. I may not agree with you in some instances but the informed way you debate points could be a lesson worth learning for quite a few people. | |||
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"Ffs this is a swing site keep politics and terrorism out of a site that is meant for happy people to connect with happy people. If you have a gripe over terrorism and dictatorship go and complain yo your MP or the GOVT this is not the place to discuss issues of the world, Why isn't it? Who are you to tell people what topics can abd can't be discussed? Some of us prefer these sort of threads and a decent debate Agree but I'm beginning to wonder whether it's worth the candle. The number of unpleasant messages I've received in my inbox since posting on this thread would have to seen to be believed. I'm quite shocked really. Single male complains he gets too much mail!?!?!?!?! Now there's a thread. I for one hope you stick with it. I may not agree with you in some instances but the informed way you debate points could be a lesson worth learning for quite a few people. "
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" I block people just so as to remind me of what type of people they are so I don't forget, not because im expecting or would want to meet them. I suppose it works out well for all concerned since the people you've blocked will also be able to remind themselves of what you're are like too - lest they forget - or a profile pic/name is changed. " Yes quite, and people who don't like my posts block me too, why should it bother me, or anyone else that's what its there for. | |||
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"Could you please explain payback. " The crusades .....he is going back a bit and it hasnt stopped millions of muslims moving to Britain | |||
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" I block people just so as to remind me of what type of people they are so I don't forget, not because im expecting or would want to meet them." I suppose it works out well for all concerned since the people you've blocked will also be able to remind themselves of what you're are like too - lest they forget - particularly if a profile pic/name is changed. Mr Cracken - I hope you don't let the negativity get to you... It's a shame when some people take freedom of expression to mean freedom to insult. There are decent ways to disagree and for me, a debate ought to be an means to learn from each other - and not a point scoring exercise. Stick with your principles and report those that fail to show respectful behaviour. | |||
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"Ffs this is a swing site keep politics and terrorism out of a site that is meant for happy people to connect with happy people. If you have a gripe over terrorism and dictatorship go and complain yo your MP or the GOVT this is not the place to discuss issues of the world, Why isn't it? Who are you to tell people what topics can abd can't be discussed? Some of us prefer these sort of threads and a decent debate Agree but I'm beginning to wonder whether it's worth the candle. The number of unpleasant messages I've received in my inbox since posting on this thread would have to seen to be believed. I'm quite shocked really." sorry to hear that Moriarty but remember for every idiot there's hopefully somebody sensible! Hopefully | |||
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"When the ira bombed Briton, we didn't all suddenly think all catholics are terrorist. When Christians murdered and expelled the Jews from Spain. Did the world call it Christian terrorism. Ok what about when ultra white power christan supremist in Germany killed millions of Jews m gypsies, was that not Christian terrorism. What about what the buddists are doing in Burma right now. is that not terrorism. America in Afghanistan and Pakistan Israel in Palestine. Russian in chechenya china in uygar Only seems to be terrorism if a muslim does it. Or some might call it payback. "
Sound observations.
It's 'freedom fighting' and 'peace keeping' if it's us or our allies.
It's 'terrorism' and 'murder' if it's not us but our foes.
It's usually a break off extremist minority/nonentity but it suits governments to keep the populace in a controlled state of believing otherwise.
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" I block people just so as to remind me of what type of people they are so I don't forget." fair point, does make one wonder just how we make assumptions about type's of people based on what they write when in fact they may be different in reality..? | |||
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"Could you please explain payback. The crusades .....he is going back a bit and it hasnt stopped millions of muslims moving to Britain "I suppose Richard the Lion Heart was French but I doubt if he drew many cartoons | |||
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"well this is a forum for voicing peoples opinions personally i think a more drastic stance should be taken over the people that we have treated well and given the chance to become millionaires and a good standard of living leaving our country to become terrorist and allowed to walk back into this country with no repercussions ,when one person came back and was given a prison sentence mummy and daddy thought he should have a slap on the wrist ,,,,i dont think so also do the family's of the pore people they beheaded out in there country trying to help them " I totally understand how you feel on this. My only concern is that the lad came back here because he was disillusioned with what he found out there. It might have been better to use in to go round schools and colleges with a high numbers of Muslims so he could tell them and educate them about what it's really like out there and what is really happening. Throwing him in prison could well just re-radicalise him. | |||
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" I totally understand how you feel on this. My only concern is that the lad came back here because he was disillusioned with what he found out there. It might have been better to use in to go round schools and colleges with a high numbers of Muslims so he could tell them and educate them about what it's really like out there and what is really happening. Throwing him in prison could well just re-radicalise him."
I agree. Some of these fighters were motivated to go and fight against Assad because they believed he was gassing innocents, they then got caught up in the ISIS mess.
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" I totally understand how you feel on this. My only concern is that the lad came back here because he was disillusioned with what he found out there. It might have been better to use in to go round schools and colleges with a high numbers of Muslims so he could tell them and educate them about what it's really like out there and what is really happening. Throwing him in prison could well just re-radicalise him.
I agree. Some of these fighters were motivated to go and fight against Assad because they believed he was gassing innocents, they then got caught up in the ISIS mess.
I'm not condoning it, but maybe we could have used these individuals in a more productive way to reduce radicalisation. "you know the only two counties that stuck up for Assad who was fighting isis were Russia and Iran and who funded Isis in the beginning? Who's crippling Russia and Iran with oil prices now? Who's lost control of the monster they created and released the monster upon us? Last time I looked Saudi Arabia is a friendly allied of the west...I beg to differ Why when I as a white guy say the problem is the Qur'an and the hardliners attitude to the rest of the devout Muslims do i get slated, there not going to put that genie back in that bottle once they've achieved their goal you know! | |||
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"I don't feel the need to stand up and denounce terrorism. I despise all killings and value all human life as equal. If a person from a Muslim background commits a killing then it's not my job to stand up and condemn. There not my cousins and it's actually quite warming to see that there are plenty of people on here who actually undetatsnd that all Muslims does not equal terrorists. Did the French public condemn Cantona's karate kick on that crystal palace supporter? As for the original post then yes there is clearly an empaphis made when a Muslim commits a crime and in a way it unites the terrorists more to their cause. Just arrest them and punish them but don't give the terrorism Al Qaeda label notoriety as deep down they want the fame to commit atrocities. This is more blame of politicians and media but has happened for many a year. " Totally agree, well said. | |||
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"I dont think anybody thinks all muslims are terrorists but, like it or not, there is a massive amount of terrorism being carried out worldwide in the name of islam. I want to see mass protests by british muslims, on the streets of london, denouncing this shit! March on anjem choudrays house or office and,as one,tell him and idiots like him that they dont speak for uk muslims. Until we get that huge muslim majorty and protests we will not be able to move on together. Muslims were able to protest en mass at googles offices and against the danish cartoons, we now need them to say with one voice that this is not done in the name of british muslims. When it is organised i will be there marching with them. Until it is done, the door is left ajar for critscism of the whole muslim community simply because the only condemnation heard is always qualified and never absolute. In the meantime, anjem choudray milks the publicity. Its time for change. This post is so true ! But Muslims on mass are condemning it, both in Britain and France and many other places to. Excellent. Why do you not think that taking to the streets in their thousands and protesting at the door of the likes of choudray would not be a unifying way forward? It happened with the Iraq war, with the Danish cartoons, with the google video clips. Do you really not think that right now that would be the best way to unite the entire country? I'm sorry but a relatively few qualified condemnations just don't cut it. No one is forcing anyone to do anything but I believe this is the best course of action. As I said, I will be there with them showing my support and I believe many others would be there also. I've not heard many other constructive ideas, only negativity and ego massaging. That helps no one." So you are waiting for someone else to decide to do 'something', before you follow them. Have you considered that everyone else might hold the same attitude as you? It's very easy to criticise the inaction of others, but rather hypocritical when you justify your own inaction in such a transparent way. | |||
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"Abu hamsa Going by the logic that he incited terrorism. Every Pope that Christianity has made a saint is a terrorist. All they preached was religious hatred towards muslims n Jews for centuries. How quickly you white people forget, when it's you doing the terrorism." .Well seem as your posts are always racist loaded.... What would you like me to do.. Invent a time machine go back in history and arrest him!. Last time I looked the pope gets slagged of plenty for withholding condoms from Africa, there was a satirical play about Christianity and jerry springer that really poked fun at it, in fact Charlie hebdo did satirical cartoons about Jewish Christian Buddhist and Islamic faith.... Remind me again which faith shot them in cold blood for it!. Hypocrisy like free speech flows both ways. | |||
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