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"And?" Should you ever need professional advice on how to appeal and grounds of appeal against a criminal conviction, you know who to approach....the self appointed Lord Chief Justice Bruce.  | |||
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"So.....? What's your point or view on it? " Just like Steve Bruce, I have not been privy to all of the evidence and jury deliberations in the Ched Evans trial so, for my part, I cannot say whether there are grounds for appeal and, just like Steve Bruce, I am no legal expert. Just saying | |||
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"And I was airing my opinion, I'd hoped in a joke type manner. I thought that's what public forums were for. Apparently not "YOu won't be the first Liverpool based person to dislike Steve Bruce, the hitherto very successful Man Utd Premier League winning centre-back. | |||
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"So if a man is convicted of rape who worked as a butcher went to jail came out then went to work back as a butcher would it bother people in the country or on fab" Ever been in the butchers and started singing his name? Theres only one local butcher, oooonnneeee local butcher, one local butcher. Thats what seems to be a lot of people objections, the fact he will be a hero to some. League 1 footballer and even though we are desperate for a striker, I dont think wales would pick him | |||
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"So if a man is convicted of rape who worked as a butcher went to jail came out then went to work back as a butcher would it bother people in the country or on fab Ever been in the butchers and started singing his name? Theres only one local butcher, oooonnneeee local butcher, one local butcher. Thats what seems to be a lot of people objections, the fact he will be a hero to some. League 1 footballer and even though we are desperate for a striker, I dont think wales would pick him" I don't sing in the butchers lol you need to get out more  | |||
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"I think he's hard face trying to get back in the public face and I defo don't want him in my team but if it was a job not in the public eye , it's my guess people wouldn't bother as much" Well they dont do they. My guess is there has been countless rape sentances/prosecutions handed out this week, I couldnt tell you about one of them. | |||
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"So if a man is convicted of rape who worked as a butcher went to jail came out then went to work back as a butcher would it bother people in the country or on fab Ever been in the butchers and started singing his name? Theres only one local butcher, oooonnneeee local butcher, one local butcher. Thats what seems to be a lot of people objections, the fact he will be a hero to some. League 1 footballer and even though we are desperate for a striker, I dont think wales would pick him I don't sing in the butchers lol you need to get out more "Haha I dont sing at football. Get ya steaks out for the boys, get ya steaks out for the boys. | |||
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"I think he's hard face trying to get back in the public face and I defo don't want him in my team but if it was a job not in the public eye , it's my guess people wouldn't bother as much Well they dont do they. My guess is there has been countless rape sentances/prosecutions handed out this week, I couldnt tell you about one of them." Me neither so let him play football | |||
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"I thought it was a bloody stupid thing for a man in his position to say and I'm generally a supporter of him, one of the few genuine blokes left in football !" I very much doubt we would want to have talked about the subject, but I'm sure he would have been hijacked at his press conference for Hull's weekend game, to comment on the Ched Evans story even though it is not relevant to his club. That's how the press works. | |||
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"Its not about being rape apologists nor about supporting him. He was convicted, whether it be right on not, he served his sentence. His sentence is spent. Can he not get on with his life without being chased around by a hate mob? " | |||
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"Marlon harewood, Lee Hughes, Cherly Cole Fernandez something and so on. All differnt crimes. All carried on with their careers. " You forgot major , Blair , brown and now clegg all are criminals robbing the poor and giving it to themselves but they continued with there career | |||
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"sorrry to be slightly pedantic... or not as your views mnaybe but he hasnt served his sentence, he is out on license big difference " And entitled to be rehabilitated back into any form of employment that is non regulated. Football is currently a form of employment that the law (if not the lynch mob) is available to him. It seems that in modern Britain however, the mob knows better than the law. It even means that in the UK, bastion of democracy, justice and free speech, some people can be punished more than others if the lynch mob targets them. | |||
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" And entitled to be rehabilitated back into any form of employment that is non regulated. Football is currently a form of employment that the law (if not the lynch mob) is available to him. It seems that in modern Britain however, the mob knows better than the law. It even means that in the UK, bastion of democracy, justice and free speech, some people can be punished more than others if the lynch mob targets them." please don't paint ched to be the victim here... the true victim is the woman who is legally suppose to have witness protection because Ched Evan's Mob keep outing her change of name (5 times so far) and forcing her to change her address (5 times so far) so far 9 of his "supporters/mob" have been found guilty of this (contempt of court) i always end it my posts of this the same way... at christmas... he got to spend it in his own house, in his own bed..... she was having to change hers after being outed again... she never got to see her family, she can't go home! I know where my sympathies lie..... | |||
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" And entitled to be rehabilitated back into any form of employment that is non regulated. Football is currently a form of employment that the law (if not the lynch mob) is available to him. It seems that in modern Britain however, the mob knows better than the law. It even means that in the UK, bastion of democracy, justice and free speech, some people can be punished more than others if the lynch mob targets them. please don't paint ched to be the victim here... the true victim is the woman who is legally suppose to have witness protection because Ched Evan's Mob keep outing her change of name (5 times so far) and forcing her to change her address (5 times so far) so far 9 of his "supporters/mob" have been found guilty of this (contempt of court) i always end it my posts of this the same way... at christmas... he got to spend it in his own house, in his own bed..... she was having to change hers after being outed again... she never got to see her family, she can't go home! I know where my sympathies lie....." None of which has anything to do with Ched Evans. | |||
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"The law is not stopping him playing football. The mob are not stopping him playing football. Oldham and Sheffield United have made an informed decision not to employ him because they would lose money if they did. Sponsors would no longer wish to be associated with the club and some supporters would no longer turn up. The death and rape threats to the Oldham board shouldn't be ignored and are abhorrent but ultimately if Oldham would have benefited from employing Evans they would have. Supporters and sponsors have threatened to withdraw their money. Oldham listened. Money talks. " Not that any external pressure was applied? | |||
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"The law is not stopping him playing football. The mob are not stopping him playing football. Oldham and Sheffield United have made an informed decision not to employ him because they would lose money if they did. Sponsors would no longer wish to be associated with the club and some supporters would no longer turn up. The death and rape threats to the Oldham board shouldn't be ignored and are abhorrent but ultimately if Oldham would have benefited from employing Evans they would have. Supporters and sponsors have threatened to withdraw their money. Oldham listened. Money talks. Not that any external pressure was applied?" Would you pay to go and see a convicted rapist in a theatre production ? The fans expressed their wish that their money wouldn't go to this players wages. That's fair enough isn't it ? | |||
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"Out of interest, what do people think Evans should be able to do for a living? What jobs would be acceptable to be done by a convicted rapist? " One where his wages are not paid for by paying customers perhaps. | |||
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"Out of interest, what do people think Evans should be able to do for a living? What jobs would be acceptable to be done by a convicted rapist? One where his wages are not paid for by paying customers perhaps. " What jobs are left then? Even a litter picker is in some way paid for by customers via Council Tax? At what point has someone 'done their time'? Not supporting the guy. Just playing Devil's Advocate Personally, I have very mixed feelings Just not sure what he's supposed to do. Can't see a job where someone might not object | |||
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"The law is not stopping him playing football. The mob are not stopping him playing football. Oldham and Sheffield United have made an informed decision not to employ him because they would lose money if they did. Sponsors would no longer wish to be associated with the club and some supporters would no longer turn up. The death and rape threats to the Oldham board shouldn't be ignored and are abhorrent but ultimately if Oldham would have benefited from employing Evans they would have. Supporters and sponsors have threatened to withdraw their money. Oldham listened. Money talks. Not that any external pressure was applied? Would you pay to go and see a convicted rapist in a theatre production ? The fans expressed their wish that their money wouldn't go to this players wages. That's fair enough isn't it ? " I am really not sure that the Oldham fans did express their wishes or even had a chance to. The baying mob made sure that pressure was applied relentlessly before any decision could be made. | |||
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"Out of interest, what do people think Evans should be able to do for a living? What jobs would be acceptable to be done by a convicted rapist? " Ched'll will fix it. A new BBC programme staring: Ched Stuart Hall Hairy Cornflake And the one and only Rolf Harris. All sex offenders I believe. | |||
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"The law is not stopping him playing football. The mob are not stopping him playing football. Oldham and Sheffield United have made an informed decision not to employ him because they would lose money if they did. Sponsors would no longer wish to be associated with the club and some supporters would no longer turn up. The death and rape threats to the Oldham board shouldn't be ignored and are abhorrent but ultimately if Oldham would have benefited from employing Evans they would have. Supporters and sponsors have threatened to withdraw their money. Oldham listened. Money talks. Not that any external pressure was applied? Would you pay to go and see a convicted rapist in a theatre production ? The fans expressed their wish that their money wouldn't go to this players wages. That's fair enough isn't it ? I am really not sure that the Oldham fans did express their wishes or even had a chance to. The baying mob made sure that pressure was applied relentlessly before any decision could be made." I listen to talk sport all day and occasionally have sky sports news on. Many Oldham fans said they would stop going and not renew their season tickets. Oldham would have lost a lot of money if they employed Evans. That was probably the most important part of the decision making. | |||
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"Out of interest, what do people think Evans should be able to do for a living? What jobs would be acceptable to be done by a convicted rapist? One where his wages are not paid for by paying customers perhaps. What jobs are left then? Even a litter picker is in some way paid for by customers via Council Tax? At what point has someone 'done their time'? Not supporting the guy. Just playing Devil's Advocate Personally, I have very mixed feelings Just not sure what he's supposed to do. Can't see a job where someone might not object " I know what your saying but the entertainment industry is different as customers can vote with their feet and not turn, therefore Oldham lose money. | |||
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" Just not sure what he's supposed to do. Can't see a job where someone might not object " Or maybe his father in law can employ him in the family business. | |||
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"Out of interest, what do people think Evans should be able to do for a living? What jobs would be acceptable to be done by a convicted rapist? One where his wages are not paid for by paying customers perhaps. What jobs are left then? Even a litter picker is in some way paid for by customers via Council Tax? At what point has someone 'done their time'? Not supporting the guy. Just playing Devil's Advocate Personally, I have very mixed feelings Just not sure what he's supposed to do. Can't see a job where someone might not object I know what your saying but the entertainment industry is different as customers can vote with their feet and not turn, therefore Oldham lose money. " Of course. Not only the loss of revenue from fans but sponsors too, I'm sure. Certainly Oldham read public opinion very badly when they made the announcement: I'm just curious what people who are very anti Evans think he should do for a living. I assume they wouldn't want him as a plumber, taxi driver etc etc? There is a very disturbing part to this case: if Evans does wrong again, he will go back inside for a very long time. What if he doesn't? What if he turns into a model member of society? Can society ever forgive him? If not, then what else does society want from him? Further, what if a man is falsely convicted of something like rape? (Only an idiot would suggest that such a thing never happens). At what point do you stop penalising someone for something? Is rehabilitation not part of the legal process? And how much worse if someone who is innocent has to serve time AND suffer further problems after release? Again, not supporting Evans. Just playing Devil's Advocate. I do think, however, that this case throws up lots of dilemmas | |||
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" Or maybe his father in law can employ him in the family business. " well the rumour doing the rounds if that it was the father in law bankrolling the move... until oldham realised they would lose more in sponsorship than would come in father money... so if it comes down to money... is it then mob rule or capitalism??? | |||
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"I thought it was a bloody stupid thing for a man in his position to say and I'm generally a supporter of him, one of the few genuine blokes left in football !" I think this is what the OP was trying to say. She did not express a view on Ched Evans but, it appears to me, that she's saying rather than reply "no comment" and not rise to his questioner, Steve Bruce made an ill informed and rather daft comment instead. | |||
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