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"Only if you remove teeth and hair first ... we watched lock stock and two smoking barrels too." It was Snatch , the finest British film ever made.  | |||
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"The Only policy - Shoot to kill - We do Not negotiate with terrorists ever. " Ever heard of Margaret Thatcher starting talks with the IRA. (Started in the 1980s) | |||
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"Yes, lived through the eighties under Margaret Thatcher, endorsed her policy then and still do today. The Irainian Embassy 1982 symbolized our commitment to terrorists." Actually, it was 1980. | |||
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"The Only policy - Shoot to kill - We do Not negotiate with terrorists ever. Ever heard of Margaret Thatcher starting talks with the IRA. (Started in the 1980s)" She opened secret talks with the provos the day after the Brighton hotel bombing! Seems she was not such a hard woman when she found herself and her cronies being targeted! LoL | |||
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"Had it been me, i'd have had a very greasy bacon sandwich before loading up my magazine....fuckers "I'm sure that would have made them think twice before messing with you  | |||
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"I hope they bury them in pigskin sacks after filling them with rendered pig fat and pickling them in alcohol. " why? they are dead, just flesh and bone.. | |||
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"I hope they bury them in pigskin sacks after filling them with rendered pig fat and pickling them in alcohol. why? they are dead, just flesh and bone.." They are both 'harem' and as I understand Islam things harem are harem both in life and death. So the only thing that could be done to their carcases that would be more disrespectful would be to feed them to pigs and if that was done the pig could not then enter the human food chain and that would be a waste of good bacon.  | |||
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"I hope they bury them in pigskin sacks after filling them with rendered pig fat and pickling them in alcohol. why? they are dead, just flesh and bone.. They are both 'harem' and as I understand Islam things harem are harem both in life and death. So the only thing that could be done to their carcases that would be more disrespectful would be to feed them to pigs and if that was done the pig could not then enter the human food chain and that would be a waste of good bacon. " way to go. | |||
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"I hope they bury them in pigskin sacks after filling them with rendered pig fat and pickling them in alcohol. why? they are dead, just flesh and bone.. They are both 'harem' and as I understand Islam things harem are harem both in life and death. So the only thing that could be done to their carcases that would be more disrespectful would be to feed them to pigs and if that was done the pig could not then enter the human food chain and that would be a waste of good bacon. "do 'we' in doing something so disrespectful to their faith not just cause offence to all muslims.. even the ones who revile their actions.. | |||
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"I hope they bury them in pigskin sacks after filling them with rendered pig fat and pickling them in alcohol. why? they are dead, just flesh and bone.. They are both 'harem' and as I understand Islam things harem are harem both in life and death. So the only thing that could be done to their carcases that would be more disrespectful would be to feed them to pigs and if that was done the pig could not then enter the human food chain and that would be a waste of good bacon.
do 'we' in doing something so disrespectful to their faith not just cause offence to all muslims..
even the ones who revile their actions..
"I was thinking the same but couldn't put it into words.... The perpetrators are dead like you said they are now just flesh and bone | |||
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"today i have seen coverage of the final moments at the jewish deli when the gun men made a run towards the door , this coverage has not been show in this country i think, wow the french police were never going to take prisoners " It seems the French don't pussy foot around they get the job done | |||
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"I'd rather have caught them alive and tried them under the laws of the land instead of creating martyrs. " this.. lock them up like common criminals and let them live a long life of reflection as they die inside a bit more each day.. | |||
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"today i have seen coverage of the final moments at the jewish deli when the gun men made a run towards the door , this coverage has not been show in this country i think, wow the french police were never going to take prisoners It seems the French don't pussy foot around they get the job done " From the coverage I've seen it seems the French police have done an excellent job. | |||
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"I'd rather have caught them alive and tried them under the laws of the land instead of creating martyrs. " Totally agree. They are dead and cannot pay for their actions. | |||
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"today i have seen coverage of the final moments at the jewish deli when the gun men made a run towards the door , this coverage has not been show in this country i think, wow the french police were never going to take prisoners It seems the French don't pussy foot around they get the job done From the coverage I've seen it seems the French police have done an excellent job. " | |||
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"I'd rather have caught them alive and tried them under the laws of the land instead of creating martyrs. Totally agree. They are dead and cannot pay for their actions." To be fair I don't think the police had no other choice but to kill them. The brothers were shooting at police and they reacted at the time. | |||
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"today i have seen coverage of the final moments at the jewish deli when the gun men made a run towards the door , this coverage has not been show in this country i think, wow the french police were never going to take prisoners It seems the French don't pussy foot around they get the job done From the coverage I've seen it seems the French police have done an excellent job. " once they had them located they were very professional, suspect it was military special forces who were involved with the 2 in the printers.. | |||
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"I'd rather have caught them alive and tried them under the laws of the land instead of creating martyrs. Totally agree. They are dead and cannot pay for their actions."
Shooting them is to easy, but to ensure the safety of the hostages it has to be done. | |||
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"today i have seen coverage of the final moments at the jewish deli when the gun men made a run towards the door , this coverage has not been show in this country i think, wow the french police were never going to take prisoners It seems the French don't pussy foot around they get the job done From the coverage I've seen it seems the French police have done an excellent job. once they had them located they were very professional, suspect it was military special forces who were involved with the 2 in the printers.. " I think they kept the civilian casualties down because of their professionalism. Well played to them. | |||
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"today i have seen coverage of the final moments at the jewish deli when the gun men made a run towards the door , this coverage has not been show in this country i think, wow the french police were never going to take prisoners " But why should they? The problem with prisons is how much they cost to run. Keeping the prison population down. | |||
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"I hope they bury them in pigskin sacks after filling them with rendered pig fat and pickling them in alcohol. why? they are dead, just flesh and bone.. They are both 'harem' and as I understand Islam things harem are harem both in life and death. So the only thing that could be done to their carcases that would be more disrespectful would be to feed them to pigs and if that was done the pig could not then enter the human food chain and that would be a waste of good bacon.
do 'we' in doing something so disrespectful to their faith not just cause offence to all muslims..
even the ones who revile their actions..
"Again as I understand Islam to gain entry into paradise your remains must not be disposed of in a harem way. As part of the appeal of jihad and martyrdom is entry to paradise and 40 or 72 virgins then it strikes me that disposing of the carcases in a manner that it stops the Muslim getting his or her rewards for killing innocents in the name of Islam would not be found insulting by the vast majority of Muslims who claim to be peace loving and opposed to these radical jihadists. In fact I would very surprised if any but those who secretly support these killers would not be wholly in favour of my idea. | |||
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"I hope they bury them in pigskin sacks after filling them with rendered pig fat and pickling them in alcohol. why? they are dead, just flesh and bone.. They are both 'harem' and as I understand Islam things harem are harem both in life and death. So the only thing that could be done to their carcases that would be more disrespectful would be to feed them to pigs and if that was done the pig could not then enter the human food chain and that would be a waste of good bacon.
do 'we' in doing something so disrespectful to their faith not just cause offence to all muslims..
even the ones who revile their actions..
Again as I understand Islam to gain entry into paradise your remains must not be disposed of in a harem way. As part of the appeal of jihad and martyrdom is entry to paradise and 40 or 72 virgins then it strikes me that disposing of the carcases in a manner that it stops the Muslim getting his or her rewards for killing innocents in the name of Islam would not be found insulting by the vast majority of Muslims who claim to be peace loving and opposed to these radical jihadists. In fact I would very surprised if any but those who secretly support these killers would not be wholly in favour of my idea."i think you have given it too much thought, just bury them in an unmarked grave.. they will be seen by some as martyrs for their actions, fannying about with pig fat etc just prolongs things.. | |||
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"I hope they bury them in pigskin sacks after filling them with rendered pig fat and pickling them in alcohol. why? they are dead, just flesh and bone.. They are both 'harem' and as I understand Islam things harem are harem both in life and death. So the only thing that could be done to their carcases that would be more disrespectful would be to feed them to pigs and if that was done the pig could not then enter the human food chain and that would be a waste of good bacon.
do 'we' in doing something so disrespectful to their faith not just cause offence to all muslims..
even the ones who revile their actions..
Again as I understand Islam to gain entry into paradise your remains must not be disposed of in a harem way. As part of the appeal of jihad and martyrdom is entry to paradise and 40 or 72 virgins then it strikes me that disposing of the carcases in a manner that it stops the Muslim getting his or her rewards for killing innocents in the name of Islam would not be found insulting by the vast majority of Muslims who claim to be peace loving and opposed to these radical jihadists. In fact I would very surprised if any but those who secretly support these killers would not be wholly in favour of my idea."I some how think killing people would automatically ban you from heaven in any religion. | |||
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"I'd rather have caught them alive and tried them under the laws of the land instead of creating martyrs. Totally agree. They are dead and cannot pay for their actions. To be fair I don't think the police had no other choice but to kill them. The brothers were shooting at police and they reacted at the time. " If there was a risk to life and they could not be subdued any other way, a clean kill is entirely justified. To those that are suggesting they are subsequently stuffed with gammon and fed to pigs is where I draw the line. While their actions are abhorrent, treating their bodies without dignity (irrespective of if anyone thinks they deserve it) will just prove to extremists that we are animals that deserve what we get. | |||
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"I still hope they were shot in the taters before they were killed" | |||
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" If there was a risk to life and they could not be subdued any other way, a clean kill is entirely justified. To those that are suggesting they are subsequently stuffed with gammon and fed to pigs is where I draw the line. While their actions are abhorrent, treating their bodies without dignity (irrespective of if anyone thinks they deserve it) will just prove to extremists that we are animals that deserve what we get." this.. by lowering ourselves we only narrow the gap between who we actually are and nearer to how they would wish us to be seen to be.. | |||
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"I'd rather have caught them alive and tried them under the laws of the land instead of creating martyrs. Totally agree. They are dead and cannot pay for their actions. To be fair I don't think the police had no other choice but to kill them. The brothers were shooting at police and they reacted at the time. If there was a risk to life and they could not be subdued any other way, a clean kill is entirely justified. To those that are suggesting they are subsequently stuffed with gammon and fed to pigs is where I draw the line. While their actions are abhorrent, treating their bodies without dignity (irrespective of if anyone thinks they deserve it) will just prove to extremists that we are animals that deserve what we get." So bloody true if we fed them to the pigs or stuffed we gammon are we not setting ourself up for more revenge attacks...if we act with dignity and our heads held high then more fool them. They will be the cunts not us | |||
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These men were understandably doing wrong, but glorifying their deaths as if they were sub human is really not the civilised thing to do... | |||
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"Christ, there's a lot of vitriol on these forums
These men were understandably doing wrong, but glorifying their deaths as if they were sub human is really not the civilised thing to do..."What they did wasn't exactly civilised either | |||
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"Christ, there's a lot of vitriol on these forums
These men were understandably doing wrong, but glorifying their deaths as if they were sub human is really not the civilised thing to do...
What they did wasn't exactly civilised either"Doesn't justify stooping to their level. That escalates to tit for tat and ends up radicalising moderates. | |||
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"Christ, there's a lot of vitriol on these forums
These men were understandably doing wrong, but glorifying their deaths as if they were sub human is really not the civilised thing to do...
What they did wasn't exactly civilised either"No, but we should rise above that and stick to civilised values. | |||
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"Christ, there's a lot of vitriol on these forums
These men were understandably doing wrong, but glorifying their deaths as if they were sub human is really not the civilised thing to do...
What they did wasn't exactly civilised either"not in dispute.. the speech that Tim Collins gave is a good example of how things should be done.. | |||
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"Christ, there's a lot of vitriol on these forums
These men were understandably doing wrong, but glorifying their deaths as if they were sub human is really not the civilised thing to do...
What they did wasn't exactly civilised either
Doesn't justify stooping to their level. That escalates to tit for tat and ends up radicalising moderates."Hey, I don't care whether they were shot in the tits or the tats, as long as it fucking hurt. lets not forget they killed innocent journalists, innocent shoppers, innocent street cleaners, as well a shooting a wounded police officer who was only doing his duty in the back of the head as he lay on the pavement  | |||
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"Christ, there's a lot of vitriol on these forums
These men were understandably doing wrong, but glorifying their deaths as if they were sub human is really not the civilised thing to do...
What they did wasn't exactly civilised either
Doesn't justify stooping to their level. That escalates to tit for tat and ends up radicalising moderates.
Hey, I don't care whether they were shot in the tits or the tats, as long as it fucking hurt. lets not forget they killed innocent journalists, innocent shoppers, innocent street cleaners, as well a shooting a wounded police officer who was only doing his duty in the back of the head as he lay on the pavement ": Yes but if we stoop to their level in their heads it would justify more killings | |||
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"I'd rather have caught them alive and tried them under the laws of the land instead of creating martyrs. Totally agree. They are dead and cannot pay for their actions. To be fair I don't think the police had no other choice but to kill them. The brothers were shooting at police and they reacted at the time. If there was a risk to life and they could not be subdued any other way, a clean kill is entirely justified. To those that are suggesting they are subsequently stuffed with gammon and fed to pigs is where I draw the line. While their actions are abhorrent, treating their bodies without dignity (irrespective of if anyone thinks they deserve it) will just prove to extremists that we are animals that deserve what we get. So bloody true if we fed them to the pigs or stuffed we gammon are we not setting ourself up for more revenge attacks...if we act with dignity and our heads held high then more fool them. They will be the cunts not us " I notice that every time these rabid religious or political fanatics commit an atrocity the shout that immediately goes out 'dont overreact, we must not descend to their level and our reactions must be proportional'. And that when this is how react those who would kill us all for their twisted ideas see our failure to respond in kind as a green light to continue and expand their actions. Maybe it is time for us to try a different tack, maybe if every time these fanatics attack our communities we attacked their communities maybe their communities would start controlling and policing those who ferment this hatred. Its just an idea, maybe it wont work, but what we are doing now definitely isn't working. | |||
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"Who said they are terrorist, They're mentally retarded murders. This was not a terrorist attack just a mafia style hit. " I will agree with the mentally retarded bit. But enlighten me on how its a mafia style hit, who put them up to it, oh no don't tell me. Private Eye!!!!!! | |||
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"I'd rather have caught them alive and tried them under the laws of the land instead of creating martyrs. Totally agree. They are dead and cannot pay for their actions. To be fair I don't think the police had no other choice but to kill them. The brothers were shooting at police and they reacted at the time. If there was a risk to life and they could not be subdued any other way, a clean kill is entirely justified. To those that are suggesting they are subsequently stuffed with gammon and fed to pigs is where I draw the line. While their actions are abhorrent, treating their bodies without dignity (irrespective of if anyone thinks they deserve it) will just prove to extremists that we are animals that deserve what we get. So bloody true if we fed them to the pigs or stuffed we gammon are we not setting ourself up for more revenge attacks...if we act with dignity and our heads held high then more fool them. They will be the cunts not us I notice that every time these rabid religious or political fanatics commit an atrocity the shout that immediately goes out 'dont overreact, we must not descend to their level and our reactions must be proportional'. And that when this is how react those who would kill us all for their twisted ideas see our failure to respond in kind as a green light to continue and expand their actions. Maybe it is time for us to try a different tack, maybe if every time these fanatics attack our communities we attacked their communities maybe their communities would start controlling and policing those who ferment this hatred. Its just an idea, maybe it wont work, but what we are doing now definitely isn't working." Sorry fella, but that's just plain daft. Yes take the terrorist out with bullets, but what you are proposing is absolutely fucking stupid | |||
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" I notice that every time these rabid religious or political fanatics commit an atrocity the shout that immediately goes out 'dont overreact, we must not descend to their level and our reactions must be proportional'. And that when this is how react those who would kill us all for their twisted ideas see our failure to respond in kind as a green light to continue and expand their actions. Maybe it is time for us to try a different tack, maybe if every time these fanatics attack our communities we attacked their communities maybe their communities would start controlling and policing those who ferment this hatred. Its just an idea, maybe it wont work, but what we are doing now definitely isn't working." the response was that they were killed and rightly so.. as for your 'idea' its nonsense.. most of the people in their communities have in all likelihood not the foggiest of what they are intending.. so you would suggest we target innocent people to treat the terrorist a lesson..? and of course they would not use that to recruit more to their twisted cause..? you haven't thought it through very well have you..? | |||
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"I'd rather have caught them alive and tried them under the laws of the land instead of creating martyrs. Totally agree. They are dead and cannot pay for their actions. To be fair I don't think the police had no other choice but to kill them. The brothers were shooting at police and they reacted at the time. If there was a risk to life and they could not be subdued any other way, a clean kill is entirely justified. To those that are suggesting they are subsequently stuffed with gammon and fed to pigs is where I draw the line. While their actions are abhorrent, treating their bodies without dignity (irrespective of if anyone thinks they deserve it) will just prove to extremists that we are animals that deserve what we get. So bloody true if we fed them to the pigs or stuffed we gammon are we not setting ourself up for more revenge attacks...if we act with dignity and our heads held high then more fool them. They will be the cunts not us I notice that every time these rabid religious or political fanatics commit an atrocity the shout that immediately goes out 'dont overreact, we must not descend to their level and our reactions must be proportional'. And that when this is how react those who would kill us all for their twisted ideas see our failure to respond in kind as a green light to continue and expand their actions. Maybe it is time for us to try a different tack, maybe if every time these fanatics attack our communities we attacked their communities maybe their communities would start controlling and policing those who ferment this hatred. Its just an idea, maybe it wont work, but what we are doing now definitely isn't working. Sorry fella, but that's just plain daft. Yes take the terrorist out with bullets, but what you are proposing is absolutely fucking stupid" Really? I seem to remember a guy called Gaddafi, he trained terrorists and exported terror all over the world in the 80's and 90's then the Yanks bombed his house killing one of his sons and coming close to getting him. Shortly after that he was out of the terror business and looking to be our friend. I think what we are doing now is not working so we need to try something different. | |||
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"I'd rather have caught them alive and tried them under the laws of the land instead of creating martyrs. Totally agree. They are dead and cannot pay for their actions. To be fair I don't think the police had no other choice but to kill them. The brothers were shooting at police and they reacted at the time. If there was a risk to life and they could not be subdued any other way, a clean kill is entirely justified. To those that are suggesting they are subsequently stuffed with gammon and fed to pigs is where I draw the line. While their actions are abhorrent, treating their bodies without dignity (irrespective of if anyone thinks they deserve it) will just prove to extremists that we are animals that deserve what we get. So bloody true if we fed them to the pigs or stuffed we gammon are we not setting ourself up for more revenge attacks...if we act with dignity and our heads held high then more fool them. They will be the cunts not us I notice that every time these rabid religious or political fanatics commit an atrocity the shout that immediately goes out 'dont overreact, we must not descend to their level and our reactions must be proportional'. And that when this is how react those who would kill us all for their twisted ideas see our failure to respond in kind as a green light to continue and expand their actions. Maybe it is time for us to try a different tack, maybe if every time these fanatics attack our communities we attacked their communities maybe their communities would start controlling and policing those who ferment this hatred. Its just an idea, maybe it wont work, but what we are doing now definitely isn't working. Sorry fella, but that's just plain daft. Yes take the terrorist out with bullets, but what you are proposing is absolutely fucking stupid Really? I seem to remember a guy called Gaddafi, he trained terrorists and exported terror all over the world in the 80's and 90's then the Yanks bombed his house killing one of his sons and coming close to getting him. Shortly after that he was out of the terror business and looking to be our friend. I think what we are doing now is not working so we need to try something different." He was looking to be our friend because he knew his time was up, trying to save his sorry arse. Here's my plan, get all the heads of the worlds intelligence agencies working together as one. Find the intel, then get all the worlds special forces together and work on combined operations to take out the leaders of ALL terrorist organisations out. the WORLD needs to tell the WORLD terrorism wont work | |||
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"Individuals that are radicalised and choose to plan independant are difficult to prevent. The only hope we have is for members of their community to stop them or shop them. If we alienate their community, they might not support the extremists, but will not act against them. If the french police had been tipped off that these guys were going to shoot up the place, they may have been able to prevent it. Doing anything outside of the rule of law and common decency just plays into their hands. The police will have moved in to arrest them, they opened fire so were killed to preserve life. Killing them for revenge is completely unjustified and illegal. Terms like terrorists are emotive. Murderers, yes they were. Extremists, no doubt. It is not apologising for them or being lily livered to say the rule of law must prevail." I do not disagree with any of that fella. I would rather prevent it before it happens, but some sometimes the terrorists / extremists terrorise the locals so much they are afraid to speak up | |||
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"Individuals that are radicalised and choose to plan independant are difficult to prevent. The only hope we have is for members of their community to stop them or shop them. If we alienate their community, they might not support the extremists, but will not act against them. If the french police had been tipped off that these guys were going to shoot up the place, they may have been able to prevent it. Doing anything outside of the rule of law and common decency just plays into their hands. The police will have moved in to arrest them, they opened fire so were killed to preserve life. Killing them for revenge is completely unjustified and illegal. Terms like terrorists are emotive. Murderers, yes they were. Extremists, no doubt. It is not apologising for them or being lily livered to say the rule of law must prevail. I do not disagree with any of that fella. I would rather prevent it before it happens, but some sometimes the terrorists / extremists terrorise the locals so much they are afraid to speak up" Absolutely! We need to show these communities it is worth speaking out. | |||
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"I'd rather have caught them alive and tried them under the laws of the land instead of creating martyrs. " I agree with the idea but for a different reason. It's important to treat them as criminals rather than soldiers and to try and sentence them according to the law | |||
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"Whether there dead or alive is irrelevant, they were treated no different than anyone else, that's important. Martyrdom is there problem not mine!. The important thing is not to budge a fucking inch. All you people that think free speech comes with a but are wrong there is no but, it's not for me to change its for them. This country and it's population has proven for many years that it is the most inclusive encompassing tolerant country in the world bar none. Is there bigotry yes, is there racism yes... It's few and far between compared to any other country in the world. Je suis Charlie, I am Charlie. Ask yourself are you!" Nous sommes Charlie. | |||
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"I do hope that the last things that went through their tiny, savage brains(well, before the bullets) was the realisation that their murderous actions achieved no benefit to their cause, and they died for absolutely nothing." Sadly that thought will not have been there. They have gained a vast amount of publicity and, if this form is a sample of popular thinking, have further polarised islamic/christian opinions. | |||
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"I do hope that the last things that went through their tiny, savage brains(well, before the bullets) was the realisation that their murderous actions achieved no benefit to their cause, and they died for absolutely nothing. Sadly that thought will not have been there. They have gained a vast amount of publicity and, if this form is a sample of popular thinking, have further polarised islamic/christian opinions." . The point of publicity is a very good and exactly why I'd have liked to have seen every newspaper to have printed those cartoons with no exceptions, there primary objective was to shut our freedom of speech up mouths.... And they seem to have done that from some quarters | |||
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"Had it been me, i'd have had a very greasy bacon sandwich before loading up my magazine....fuckers
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"Had it been me, i'd have had a very greasy bacon sandwich before loading up my magazine....fuckers
I'm sure that would have made them think twice before messing with you
maybe, if it were advertised "Maybe the anti terror squads should start an advertising campaign. All our bullets are bacon tipped and our stun grenades are coated in pork pie.  | |||
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"Whether there dead or alive is irrelevant, they were treated no different than anyone else, that's important. Martyrdom is there problem not mine!. The important thing is not to budge a fucking inch. All you people that think free speech comes with a but are wrong there is no but, it's not for me to change its for them. This country and it's population has proven for many years that it is the most inclusive encompassing tolerant country in the world bar none. Is there bigotry yes, is there racism yes... It's few and far between compared to any other country in the world. Je suis Charlie, I am Charlie. Ask yourself are you!" Excellent post. | |||
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The killer in the supermarket had already killed four people, was armed to the teeth, and could have started spraying bullets at any moment.Somehow I don't think reading him his rights would have had much effect.
Apart from all that the French government is skint and an expensive trial then keeping them under lock and key for 3 or 4 decades wouldn't have been very high on Hollande's priority list.
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"I find it hard to believe how many people think they should have been captured, arrested Etc. Firstly by being banged up in a French jail would have left France wide open to another hostage situation to try and get them released. Don't forget the French have got form for doing deals for hostages. More importantly, how the hell could they have ever been arrested? By all accounts the two in the print works charged out like Butch and Sundance, what were the police supposed to do? walk up to them with a pair of handcuffs?
The killer in the supermarket had already killed four people, was armed to the teeth, and could have started spraying bullets at any moment.Somehow I don't think reading him his rights would have had much effect.
Apart from all that the French government is skint and an expensive trial then keeping them under lock and key for 3 or 4 decades wouldn't have been very high on Hollande's priority list.
"These killers were heavily armed and holding hostages and we're clearly wanting to martyr themselves so capturing them alive was always going to be extremely low probability, but that would have been the best option and if you ask the French authorities they would confirm that. | |||
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"I hope they bury them in pigskin sacks after filling them with rendered pig fat and pickling them in alcohol. why? they are dead, just flesh and bone.." As is demonstrated throughout this thread the need fir vengeance is strong in some people. Hatred and intolerance takes many forms  | |||
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"Individuals that are radicalised and choose to plan independant are difficult to prevent. The only hope we have is for members of their community to stop them or shop them. If we alienate their community, they might not support the extremists, but will not act against them. If the french police had been tipped off that these guys were going to shoot up the place, they may have been able to prevent it. Doing anything outside of the rule of law and common decency just plays into their hands. The police will have moved in to arrest them, they opened fire so were killed to preserve life. Killing them for revenge is completely unjustified and illegal. Terms like terrorists are emotive. Murderers, yes they were. Extremists, no doubt. It is not apologising for them or being lily livered to say the rule of law must prevail. I do not disagree with any of that fella. I would rather prevent it before it happens, but some sometimes the terrorists / extremists terrorise the locals so much they are afraid to speak up Absolutely! We need to show these communities it is worth speaking out. " | |||
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"I'd rather have caught them alive and tried them under the laws of the land instead of creating martyrs. Totally agree. They are dead and cannot pay for their actions. To be fair I don't think the police had no other choice but to kill them. The brothers were shooting at police and they reacted at the time. If there was a risk to life and they could not be subdued any other way, a clean kill is entirely justified. To those that are suggesting they are subsequently stuffed with gammon and fed to pigs is where I draw the line. While their actions are abhorrent, treating their bodies without dignity (irrespective of if anyone thinks they deserve it) will just prove to extremists that we are animals that deserve what we get. So bloody true if we fed them to the pigs or stuffed we gammon are we not setting ourself up for more revenge attacks...if we act with dignity and our heads held high then more fool them. They will be the cunts not us I notice that every time these rabid religious or political fanatics commit an atrocity the shout that immediately goes out 'dont overreact, we must not descend to their level and our reactions must be proportional'. And that when this is how react those who would kill us all for their twisted ideas see our failure to respond in kind as a green light to continue and expand their actions. Maybe it is time for us to try a different tack, maybe if every time these fanatics attack our communities we attacked their communities maybe their communities would start controlling and policing those who ferment this hatred. Its just an idea, maybe it wont work, but what we are doing now definitely isn't working." So basically civil war then? What an utterly moronic suggestion | |||
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"I think the terrorists are doing a fine job of defeating themselves. 700,000 people marching in a peace vigil of all faiths and ethnicity, identifying that crazy murderous people don't represent any religion, flag or belief system other than heinous acts. They have to be stopped yes, but death doesn't bring much feeling of victory. "
And let's not forget survivors of the initial attack are working to ensure that the next issue of Charlie Hebdu is published and there will be a million copies printed. That's how you tell terrorists that it's not working | |||
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"Could the French police not have shot the guns out of their hands?(I am joking)" Or give then the option of visiting schools and colleges so they may tell of the error of their ways ? | |||
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"I'd rather have caught them alive and tried them under the laws of the land instead of creating martyrs. Totally agree. They are dead and cannot pay for their actions. To be fair I don't think the police had no other choice but to kill them. The brothers were shooting at police and they reacted at the time. If there was a risk to life and they could not be subdued any other way, a clean kill is entirely justified. To those that are suggesting they are subsequently stuffed with gammon and fed to pigs is where I draw the line. While their actions are abhorrent, treating their bodies without dignity (irrespective of if anyone thinks they deserve it) will just prove to extremists that we are animals that deserve what we get. So bloody true if we fed them to the pigs or stuffed we gammon are we not setting ourself up for more revenge attacks...if we act with dignity and our heads held high then more fool them. They will be the cunts not us I notice that every time these rabid religious or political fanatics commit an atrocity the shout that immediately goes out 'dont overreact, we must not descend to their level and our reactions must be proportional'. And that when this is how react those who would kill us all for their twisted ideas see our failure to respond in kind as a green light to continue and expand their actions. Maybe it is time for us to try a different tack, maybe if every time these fanatics attack our communities we attacked their communities maybe their communities would start controlling and policing those who ferment this hatred. Its just an idea, maybe it wont work, but what we are doing now definitely isn't working." and then they have won as it's exactly the thing they are after they do not want Muslims and Christians to inter grate and be tolerant they want division and strife then they can continue to keep people ignorant and controlled pretty much like Christianity before mass education in the late 17/1800 freed the populace to question and resist religious leaders | |||
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"Individuals that are radicalised and choose to plan independant are difficult to prevent. The only hope we have is for members of their community to stop them or shop them. If we alienate their community, they might not support the extremists, but will not act against them. If the french police had been tipped off that these guys were going to shoot up the place, they may have been able to prevent it. Doing anything outside of the rule of law and common decency just plays into their hands. The police will have moved in to arrest them, they opened fire so were killed to preserve life. Killing them for revenge is completely unjustified and illegal. Terms like terrorists are emotive. Murderers, yes they were. Extremists, no doubt. It is not apologising for them or being lily livered to say the rule of law must prevail. I do not disagree with any of that fella. I would rather prevent it before it happens, but some sometimes the terrorists / extremists terrorise the locals so much they are afraid to speak up Absolutely! We need to show these communities it is worth speaking out. " I can't see that happening anytime soon. We can not get people to speak out against our own home grown yobs/thugs in this country through fear their homes may be targeted. | |||
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" Martyrdom is intrinsic to devoutly religious people and part of the problem, but it's their problem and not ours. Rule of law under a free and open society that's not in fear for itself, but that bit is up to us, they can't take that away from us with Kalashnikov's and grenades, but we can do it ourselves if we're not careful. " agree, we only serve to help them achieve their aims if we live in fear or react in anger without thinking.. | |||
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" Martyrdom is intrinsic to devoutly religious people and part of the problem, but it's their problem and not ours. Rule of law under a free and open society that's not in fear for itself, but that bit is up to us, they can't take that away from us with Kalashnikov's and grenades, but we can do it ourselves if we're not careful. agree, we only serve to help them achieve their aims if we live in fear or react in anger without thinking.." | |||
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"I'd rather have caught them alive and tried them under the laws of the land instead of creating martyrs. Totally agree. They are dead and cannot pay for their actions. To be fair I don't think the police had no other choice but to kill them. The brothers were shooting at police and they reacted at the time. If there was a risk to life and they could not be subdued any other way, a clean kill is entirely justified. To those that are suggesting they are subsequently stuffed with gammon and fed to pigs is where I draw the line. While their actions are abhorrent, treating their bodies without dignity (irrespective of if anyone thinks they deserve it) will just prove to extremists that we are animals that deserve what we get. So bloody true if we fed them to the pigs or stuffed we gammon are we not setting ourself up for more revenge attacks...if we act with dignity and our heads held high then more fool them. They will be the cunts not us I notice that every time these rabid religious or political fanatics commit an atrocity the shout that immediately goes out 'dont overreact, we must not descend to their level and our reactions must be proportional'. And that when this is how react those who would kill us all for their twisted ideas see our failure to respond in kind as a green light to continue and expand their actions. Maybe it is time for us to try a different tack, maybe if every time these fanatics attack our communities we attacked their communities maybe their communities would start controlling and policing those who ferment this hatred. Its just an idea, maybe it wont work, but what we are doing now definitely isn't working. So basically civil war then? What an utterly moronic suggestion" This! Collective punishment does not, nor will it ever work. Never mind the fact that you are punishing numerous innocents for the actions of the few. To engage in such action would simply serve to foster discontent and in turn create further extremism. | |||
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