FabSwingers.com forum: Ched Evans

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Has anyone actually looked at the evidence in the case? I think he will be found not guilty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone actually looked at the evidence in the case? I think he will be found not guilty"

But he was found guilty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone actually looked at the evidence in the case? I think he will be found not guilty

But he was found guilty. "

Indeed, and has served time for the crime.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yeah but read the facts, the girl claimed to be too d*unk to remember but cctv shows her perfectly fine and not stumbling, think she was just embarrassed that she let them both sleep with her. And once she had lied the lie went too far, can't go back on it cus she would get done then

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

Not again. More spurious arguments about why the jury system doesn't work and why can't poor Ched be allowed to ply his humble trade. Life's not fair especially to convicted rapists. Get over it people !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah but read the facts, the girl claimed to be too d*unk to remember but cctv shows her perfectly fine and not stumbling, think she was just embarrassed that she let them both sleep with her. And once she had lied the lie went too far, can't go back on it cus she would get done then "

I am really worried with opinions like that you are on a sex site

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just saying Google the evidence, I feel sorry for him

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By *layer oneMan
over a year ago

mirfield

If a teacher was found guilty in did half his time , would he/her be allowed back to carry on teaching?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Man was found guilty by a jury of his peers and has served time.

Unless your on the jury for his retrial, Googling the facts will serve as much use as looking for Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He should be allowed to play football because that's his professional industry but perhaps he should keep his head down and work in other fields of football. He shouldn't be considered as professional footballer to fuel his ego, nobody will want to be associated with a rapist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just saying Google the evidence, I feel sorry for him "

You feel sorry for a man who had sex with someone without there consent

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By *entkpl69Couple
over a year ago

WELLING

"If a teacher was found guilty in did half his time , would he/her be allowed back to carry on teaching?"
Exactly !! Plus he hasn't served his time ! Football players are role models for our younger generation

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

She said she didn't give either of them consent yet 1 got away with it and the other didn't. Just a dodgy case. Trust me read the facts. Can ruin someone's life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She said she didn't give either of them consent yet 1 got away with it and the other didn't. Just a dodgy case. Trust me read the facts. Can ruin someone's life"

It has ruined her life. She has had to move and change her identity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When did the football industry become some sort of moral guardian for the nation? It is not the job of anyone but the courts to punish him. If he was a plumber/candlestick maker/draughtsman/pilot/cobbler, would we be so bothered? Why the fuss because its football? A footballers job is to play football to the best of his ability. Its other people that claim that footballers are role models, not footballers.

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By *earboynottinghamMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

"Has anyone actually looked at the evidence in the case? I think he will be found not guilty"

It certainly isn't cut n dry.

The incident itself is far from clear and it's likely very few people will ever know what really happened.

Rape is a disgusting crime, as is intimidating a witness to a different degree.

I do find it quite disturbing that the mob have targeted ched evans and succeeded though, footballers who have ended lives and committed violent acts against women and men have been permitted to work in the past.

Lee hughes

Marlon king

Luke McCormack

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Was he not found guilty so now convicted!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As he would be on the sex offenders register, then he wouldnt be allowed to teach. Football, as far as I am aware, is not subject to the same rules. But neither is bricklaying, farming, mortuary technicians.....

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By *ir_domMan
over a year ago

Manc

I think its the fact there seems to be a lack of an apology ( though there was an attempt today ) which seems to be riling people . But if he apologises, he admits guilt , would the public then castrate him furthermore ? At the moment hes been convicted, but its up in the air due to his claim of innocence . It seems that until that parts decided definitively( outcome of appeal process) - he's career will be at a standstill .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone actually looked at the evidence in the case? I think he will be found not guilty

It certainly isn't cut n dry.

The incident itself is far from clear and it's likely very few people will ever know what really happened.

Rape is a disgusting crime, as is intimidating a witness to a different degree.

Lee hughes

Marlon king

Luke McCormack

Is it not more disturbing that the victim was hounded out of her home and has had to start a new life with a new identity. Evans is not the victim here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think its the fact there seems to be a lack of an apology ( though there was an attempt today ) which seems to be riling people . But if he apologises, he admits guilt , would the public then castrate him furthermore ? At the moment hes been convicted, but its up in the air due to his claim of innocence . It seems that until that parts decided definitively( outcome of appeal process) - he's career will be at a standstill . "

He has been denied an appeal.

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

And at the moment he's still on license so still not a free agent. Other crimes such as fraud also mean you can't return to your former job. Just saying

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By *ir_domMan
over a year ago

Manc

He has been denied an appeal. "

Oh i wasnt aware of this ! Im sure i read somewhere there was an outcome of something but it will be in around nine months...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A london black taxi drivers criminal record is checked every three years. You wouldn't be able to work with an assault conviction let alone rape.

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By *ir_domMan
over a year ago

Manc

He has been denied an appeal. "

It seems your correct folks - i stand corrected !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He has been denied an appeal.

Oh i wasnt aware of this ! Im sure i read somewhere there was an outcome of something but it will be in around nine months... "

He is asking for a review of the case. This won't prove his innocence or guilt. An appeal was turned down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Look at it from his side for a moment. If you knew you were innocent, would you apologise for something you didnt do? I dont know if he did or didnt do anything wrong. I dont particularly care, he just wants to play football. When was it made law that a person cannot get a high paying job because they went to prison?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

He has been denied an appeal.

Oh i wasnt aware of this ! Im sure i read somewhere there was an outcome of something but it will be in around nine months... "

"Ched Evans, professional footballer, continues his fight to clear his name after his 2012 conviction for rape with the submission of an application to the Criminal Cases Review Commission to send his case back to the Court of Appeal."

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By *ir_domMan
over a year ago

Manc

I agree thats definitely not the law , we may never know the truth of course, however one thing that is certain from all of this in my opinion, is that the generalling footballing public , i.e the supporters etc can and are heavily influential in this instance

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think it's a bad thing that supporters don't want a convicted rapist playing for their club. Football fans get a lot of bad press but surely this is a good thing. They don't want their money going to a rapists wages.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When did the football industry become some sort of moral guardian for the nation? It is not the job of anyone but the courts to punish him. If he was a plumber/candlestick maker/draughtsman/pilot/cobbler, would we be so bothered? Why the fuss because its football? A footballers job is to play football to the best of his ability. Its other people that claim that footballers are role models, not footballers. "

By no means do we suppose footballers to be moral guardians, but young kids idolise them and in so doing will assume that if you do something as disgusting as rape someone, then once you have served time everything is hunky dory and life can be just as it was. I'm Not saying he should be punished for life, but as someone in the public eye and high profile then I'm sorry but that's it your time in the limelight is over. Like someone else mentioned if football is his only calling then something low profile behind the scenes. How unfeeling would it be to flaunt it in that poor girls face that he is back earning his nice 6 figure salary and she has had to uproot her life all because of him? Just my opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Donkeys! Please discuss?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am really worried with opinions like that you are on a sex site "

Me too!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But thats not for you or I to decide. Thats for a court. The football clubs (quite rightly) won't touch him with a bargepole, but lets not kid ourselves that they are doing that out of any sense of morals. They just dont want to upset their fans. Its very bad PR, and thats bad for business. Football couldnt give a fuck about morals, its all about the money. If they thought they would make an increased amount more money by allowing him to play, then they wouldnt stop to think about it.

Dont be so sure that kids idolise footballers. By the time they are teenagers, they see them for what they are, greedy buggers with a shit taste in clothes. Kids certainly dont idolise 3rd rate footballers like this goon.

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

Rape is bad PR. Can't argue that. Maybe because it's a crime ?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Has anyone actually looked at the evidence in the case? I think he will be found not guilty

It certainly isn't cut n dry.

The incident itself is far from clear and it's likely very few people will ever know what really happened.

Rape is a disgusting crime, as is intimidating a witness to a different degree.

Lee hughes

Marlon king

Luke McCormack

Is it not more disturbing that the victim was hounded out of her home and has had to start a new life with a new identity. Evans is not the victim here. "

Yes it is disgusting that the victim has been hounded out of her house. No one is saying that is right. And, until a review or appeal says otherwise, Evens is a convicted rapist and is guilty in the eyes of the law and should be treated as such. But that does not justify a witch hunt against him. His punishment was 5 years with release under licence after 2.5.

He's doing that punishment and he should not have to do any more. If more had been justified the court could have given him more. The maximum penalty for rape is LIFE, the court clearly felt that his punishment should be much less than that. Who are any of us to disagree.

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By *cMohawk_AdventureGirlCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

Really glad this thread exists as a self-selecting block list of people who shouldn't be even remotely trusted with any sort of sexual contact. Cool.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

But the same court that convicted him decided that his punishment should be 5 years with release on licence after 2.5. It could have given him a much tougher sentence if it felt a tougher punishment was justified by crime but it didn't. So why should he receive a tougher punishment than what court has ruled is the right punishment. This is the same court that your praising for finding him guilty. Or do you only agree with the court and jury system when it says exactly what you want but the rest of the time it should just be ignored?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Really glad this thread exists as a self-selecting block list of people who shouldn't be even remotely trusted with any sort of sexual contact. Cool."

Nobody said rape or sexual assault was acceptable. The nub of the argument is whether a football club should be allowed to employ him as a footballer. The law doesnt say that they cannot. People might want the law changing. I hardly think that is going to happen because of this case.

It is up to the courts to decide what punishments fit a crime. It is up to the Upper and Lower houses to decide what the laws are. I don't want laws making up because of kneejerk reactions to specific cases. Due process is a lot more rational, measured and more likely to work.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Really glad this thread exists as a self-selecting block list of people who shouldn't be even remotely trusted with any sort of sexual contact. Cool."

Well if you want to filter me out for standing up for the rule of law as opposed to the rule of the mob then please do. I wouldn't want it any other way

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Really glad this thread exists as a self-selecting block list of people who shouldn't be even remotely trusted with any sort of sexual contact. Cool.

My thoughts exactly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Rape is bad PR. Can't argue that. Maybe because it's a crime ?"

The point of the comment was that, as a business, football couldnt give a fuck if he raped, murdered, pushed drugs or traded in weapons of mass destruction. As long as they make a profit out of him then he can do what he wants in their eyes.

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By *coutin4girlzMan
over a year ago

Moo-Moo land :-)

"Has anyone actually looked at the evidence in the case? I think he will be found not guilty

But he was found guilty. "
Lots of people get found Guilty guys but that don't mean that they're Guilty forever. Ever heard of the Birmingham six,the Guildford four,the Cardiff three,Barry George n lots of cases just in my Police Force Area that have been Condemned, but as new evidence presents itself or if the Conviction was less than Secure in the first place then the 'Then' Convict gets Leave to Appeal. Its like a Safeguard in our Judicial system so people that turn out to be innocent in the first place are not Wrongfully jailed for too long n dont have to rot in the slammer if they've got a lenghty sentence tho in a lot of cases they might of been in n out by the time the appeal is successful see folks....

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Has anyone actually looked at the evidence in the case? I think he will be found not guilty

But he was found guilty. Lots of people get found Guilty guys but that don't mean that they're Guilty forever. Ever heard of the Birmingham six,the Guildford four,the Cardiff three,Barry George n lots of cases just in my Police Force Area that have been Condemned, but as new evidence presents itself or if the Conviction was less than Secure in the first place then the 'Then' Convict gets Leave to Appeal. Its like a Safeguard in our Judicial system so people that turn out to be innocent in the first place are not Wrongfully jailed for too long n dont have to rot in the slammer if they've got a lenghty sentence tho in a lot of cases they might of been in n out by the time the appeal is successful see folks....

All this may be true but until a court says otherwise he is guilty in the eyes of the law and should be treated as such.

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

"Rape is bad PR. Can't argue that. Maybe because it's a crime ?

Not too clever choosing football as a business to make a profit.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

I wonder if those who threatened to rape and murder Oldham staff and members of their families will be hunted down for what they have done?

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By *coutin4girlzMan
over a year ago

Moo-Moo land :-)

"If a teacher was found guilty in did half his time , would he/her be allowed back to carry on teaching?"
Hes a lower league footballer hes not a teacher see dude...

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I wonder if those who threatened to rape and murder Oldham staff and members of their families will be hunted down for what they have done?"

The police are already looking into it. And rightly so

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"If a teacher was found guilty in did half his time , would he/her be allowed back to carry on teaching?Hes a lower league footballer hes not a teacher see dude..."

And the law say that you can not teach if you are on the sexual offenders register; so it's part of the punishment issued by the court. The law does not say you can not play professional football. Maybe it should, maybe it shouldn't but currently it does not so it is not part of the punishment handed down by the court; it is mob justice and nothing more, however you try to dress it up

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By *coutin4girlzMan
over a year ago

Moo-Moo land :-)

"If a teacher was found guilty in did half his time , would he/her be allowed back to carry on teaching? Exactly !! Plus he hasn't served his time ! Football players are role models for our younger generation "
What George Best, Paul Gascoigne, Tony Adams, Charlie Nicholas, Robin Friday, Vinnie Jones, Roy Keane are role models for your kids are they?? They certainly aint for mine lol my kids role model is me n since when did all footballers volunteer to be role models for other peoples kids???

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Has anyone actually looked at the evidence in the case? I think he will be found not guilty"

Why is he now apologising to her?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This case is easily sorted if the football authorities take a position similar to other industries.

I work in finance, I am regulated, I have to pass a fit and proper test which is very clearly articulated and set out. If I am convicted of a criminal offence I lose the right to work in my chosen industry. As an example, the guy who was found to be travelling to London each day and not paying the full fare was first fired by his company for being in breach of his contract and subsequently banned by the regulator from ever working in his chosen industry again. A classic case of cause and effect and he can have no complaints because he knew the consequence of his actions.

FIFA should establish a code of conduct onto all professional players and make it clear that a criminal conviction will mean that an individual will no longer be able to be paid to play football in any country.

What it would do is make young men realise that they are in highly paid, high profile positions and that they should respect this by behaving in a way off the pitch that sets an example and allows them to fulfill their obligations to their clubs in the most professional way.

I hope that this case leads to a fundamental change in how professional sportsmen conduct themselves.

For those who argue that kicking a football has nothing to do with morals etc I say you are wrong. Footballers by the nature of their profession do set an example to our children and are also the vehicles for huge amounts of advertising. Should they fall short of standards of the highest order they should lose the right to participate in a highly privileged and lucrative industry.

We can all argue the rights and wrongs of the conviction in this particular case, and others where players have served prison sentences (for the record and having read the case notes I believe the conviction against Evans to be sound and I also believe the website registered to his address to be unequivocally a contempt of court for which he should also be investigated), but if a clear code of conduct existed it would certainly act as a deterrent for appalling behaviour.

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By *rsIdiotWoman
over a year ago

Bedworth

As someone posted on one of the other threads about him......would you want a convicted rapist holding your daughters hand to walk out onto the pitch?

As you say, there are many roles where returning to work would not be a problem. But, there are a great many where returning would not be permitted. Any role which involves a crb check is now off limits to him. He cannot now work as a postman, a taxi driver or an elderly care home worker for example. He would even be excluded from doing my job of selling glasses in an optician. All of these roles, along with playing football, involve interaction with children and/or vulnerable people

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

A football club can employ or decline to employ whoever they like. The fact that this person is as welcome as a turd in a swimming pool makes him unemployable. It's not just the public pressure. ...I personally would not want to employ any such sex offender in a business that looks to spread it's customer base across families, men and women.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A football club can employ or decline to employ whoever they like. The fact that this person is as welcome as a turd in a swimming pool makes him unemployable. It's not just the public pressure. ...I personally would not want to employ any such sex offender in a business that looks to spread it's customer base across families, men and women. "

To my contribution above, take the decision away from clubs, put the onus on the players and put in place proper regulation, it would solve a lot of problems and would go some way towards cleaning up the games tarnished reputation.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"This case is easily sorted if the football authorities take a position similar to other industries.

I hope that this case leads to a fundamental change in how professional sportsmen conduct themselves.

of court for which he sould also be investigated), but if a clear code of conduct existed it would certainly act as a deterrent for appalling behaviour."

Wholeheartedly agree. If either of us were convicted of a crime we would struggle to return to our chosen professions. We would certainly not be able to walk back in to our old job. Why should this man be different.

The op asks if anyone has looked at the evidence, I believe the evidence was looked at by a judge who was much better placed than us, had access to all of it and listened to witnesses on both sides along with legal representation from both sides.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He was found guilty , yes there may be a judicial review, but at the moment he still stands as being found guilty. None of us know, whether this review will over turn his conviction. I'm no legal expert but I have a feeling his conviction will not change.

What I fail to understand is, he seems to court publicity now. Every time the case is on TV, newspaper or the radio, his victim gets the whole horror of that night brought back. So I have little sympathy for him. He can't expect to take up where he left off. There are ramifications in life from doing bad things , rape is one of the most appalling. Certain jobs , he shouldn't be allowed to do. To be honest though , I'd find it difficult to decide what jobs he can do. Would I want him round my house as a plumber / no as I wouldn't want him alone in my house. And I think that's where I get back to every time. Would I trust him around a female member of my loved ones and friends , well based on his record - no!

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By *icefellatwoMan
over a year ago

hastings

"This case is easily sorted if the football authorities take a position similar to other industries.

I hope that this case leads to a fundamental change in how professional sportsmen conduct themselves.

of court for which he sould also be investigated), but if a clear code of conduct existed it would certainly act as a deterrent for appalling behaviour.

The main problem with the case was alcohol and drugs were involved which

she admitted to drinking 2 glasses of wine 4 double vodkas and a sambuca.

we all underestimate what we drink .

she tested positive for coccaine and cannabis which she denies taking.

in my opinion a good girl has been found to be taking drugs which her family did not know about and the rest is history .

A very dodgy case either way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This case is easily sorted if the football authorities take a position similar to other industries.

I hope that this case leads to a fundamental change in how professional sportsmen conduct themselves.

of court for which he sould also be investigated), but if a clear code of conduct existed it would certainly act as a deterrent for appalling behaviour.

The main problem with the case was alcohol and drugs were involved which

she admitted to drinking 2 glasses of wine 4 double vodkas and a sambuca.

we all underestimate what we drink .

she tested positive for coccaine and cannabis which she denies taking.

in my opinion a good girl has been found to be taking drugs which her family did not know about and the rest is history .

A very dodgy case either way. "

Ignore the specifics of the case for just a moment, a jury has reviewed all of the facts and found the individual guilty, if the sentence is reviewed to be found unsafe and is over turned it is the courts that will do that.

But imagine for a second that Ched Evans had signed his code of conduct, knew that a conviction for anything (fighting, drink driving, shoplfiting) would mean that he would never be able to play professional football, do you think he would have thought twice to engaging in the events of that night and this whole situation would have been avoided? Knowing that my behaviour could lead to me losing my profession I am incredibly careful about the situations into which I put myself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've followed this case from the start and reading the facts it does beg the question why were both men not convicted.

Point 1 I'd raise is the girls own testimony stated she felt tipsy but felt she was in full control. The judge directed the jury to the fact that she was in no fit state to consent. How does he decide this ?

Point 2 how can you be consent to one person then 20 mins later be in no fit state to consent to the other.

There are serious flaws in this case.

I'd also question why ched Evans wasn't allowed to appeal his conviction at the outset. Surely if one person is not guilty and the other is there must be a case for this.

As for the mob justice being handed out now where he is being stopped from plying his trade this is disgusting. We as British citizens fight for freedom and democracy all over the world and live by the law and democratic nature if society. By our law he has paid the price for his crime.

Let us not be like the people we fight daily and allow mob justice and personal opinion persecute people. If you don't like the law become a lawyers judge politican and get the systems changed don't be a social media troll and stir up trouble or we will end up like all the countries where democracy is non existant and the bully's get their way

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By *icefellatwoMan
over a year ago

hastings

"This case is easily sorted if the football authorities take a position similar to other industries.

I hope that this case leads to a fundamental change in how professional sportsmen conduct themselves.

of court for which he sould also be investigated), but if a clear code of conduct existed it would certainly act as a deterrent for appalling behaviour.

The main problem with the case was alcohol and drugs were involved which

she admitted to drinking 2 glasses of wine 4 double vodkas and a sambuca.

we all underestimate what we drink .

she tested positive for coccaine and cannabis which she denies taking.

in my opinion a good girl has been found to be taking drugs which her family did not know about and the rest is history .

A very dodgy case either way.

But we all know the brain is in the rampant prick

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Has anyone actually looked at the evidence in the case? I think he will be found not guilty

All this may be true but until a court says otherwise he is guilty in the eyes of the law and should be treated as such. "

He has been. But some people now want arbitrary extra measures taken against him which are not part of our legal system. Football us not a regulated activity and yet buying lynch mobs have effectively pressurised two football clubs from doing exactly what the law in this country requires - rehabilitating offenders.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

The jury had all the facts and were unanimous in their verdict.

We, even those of us who have Googled, do not have all the facts.

The full story in these cases is never reported because they are telling the story, not providing the entire case to allow people to judge.

He has been found guilty at a trial, overseen by a qualified, experienced judge by the unanimous verdict of a jury.

Bear in mind that the jury, in addition to hearing all the evidence, also got to see and hear how it was presented, so got much more from it than just reading words from a website or newspaper.

Ok, there are aspects some don't understand, or agree with, but there's no need for them to. Evans has been tried and convicted by the due process of the law. The Court of Public Opinion, with access to only some of what the jury had, has no say here.

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

Ched Evans turned up at a hotel where his friend was staying uninvited and unknown to that friend and persuaded staff to let him have the key. He let himself into the room while two other friends were positioned outside the window watching and filming.

As far as his friend who had gone to the room with the woman was aware Ched had gone home to bed.

This is why the other guy was not convicted of rape and Evans was. Evans did not pull the woman, he did not take her back to his hotel, he turned up uninvited and unannounced and lied his way into the room and took advantage of the situation. Ched Evans does not deny any of this.

Ched Evans whole case for being innocent is based on the woman's behaviour, her level of intoxication and the fact that she went back to someone's hotel room in that state.

Question to all of you who are doubting the conviction: if you were in a hotel room having sex with a fab meet and a friend of one of you turned up with no invitation or warning and expected to get some action would that be ok? Would it be ok if that friend had brought other friends who without your or your fab partners knowledge were outside the window looking in and filming?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Ched Evans turned up at a hotel where his friend was staying uninvited and unknown to that friend and persuaded staff to let him have the key. He let himself into the room while two other friends were positioned outside the window watching and filming.

As far as his friend who had gone to the room with the woman was aware Ched had gone home to bed.

Ched Evans whole case for being innocent is based on the woman's behaviour, her level of intoxication and the fact that she went back to someone's hotel room in that state.

Very well put. It would be interesting to see what the reaction in the forum would be if a woman posted that this had happened.

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

"Just saying Google the evidence, I feel sorry for him "

The all the evidence is not available, we were not in court.

We did not hear or see what the jury heard or saw. We were not in the jury room when the discussed the evidence.

Therefore we cannot make an informed decision.

The jury decided he was guilty and he was sentenced. Until a court finds otherwise he is a convicted rapist.

As such it is not appropriate for him to be in a position to be a role model for young men or indeed young women.

I know he did not ask to be a role model and some would argue there are better role models than footballers, but like it or not some young men will look on him as a role model.

If his appeal is successful then there would be no bar against him continuing as a footballer but until then I feel it is wrong.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Just saying Google the evidence, I feel sorry for him

The all the evidence is not available, we were not in court.

We did not hear or see what the jury heard or saw. We were not in the jury room when the discussed the evidence.

Therefore we cannot make an informed decision.

The jury decided he was guilty and he was sentenced. Until a court finds otherwise he is a convicted rapist.

As such it is not appropriate for him to be in a position to be a role model for young men or indeed young women.

I know he did not ask to be a role model and some would argue there are better role models than footballers, but like it or not some young men will look on him as a role model.

If his appeal is successful then there would be no bar against him continuing as a footballer but until then I feel it is wrong.

With respect. You are using the rule of law to state that he has been convicted by a Court of Law as a means to close down any possible suggestion that the man could be innocent. In the next sentance you do not want to abide by the Court decision that has allowed him out after half of his sentance to rehabilitate. Nothing in law prevents him rehabilitating into society as a football player.

If you want to argue that he should not be allowed to play football despite it being a lawful thing for him to do, then you cannot also try to restrict or contain other people from discussing the possibility that this was a sham trial.

You either have to accept the law 100% or be prepared to discuss it and accept that others have that right as well, despite the fact that they may hold a different view to you.

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over a year ago

"Just saying Google the evidence, I feel sorry for him

The all the evidence is not available, we were not in court.

We did not hear or see what the jury heard or saw. We were not in the jury room when the discussed the evidence.

Therefore we cannot make an informed decision.

The jury decided he was guilty and he was sentenced. Until a court finds otherwise he is a convicted rapist.

As such it is not appropriate for him to be in a position to be a role model for young men or indeed young women.

I know he did not ask to be a role model and some would argue there are better role models than footballers, but like it or not some young men will look on him as a role model.

If his appeal is successful then there would be no bar against him continuing as a footballer but until then I feel it is wrong.

You either have to accept the law 100% or be prepared to discuss it and accept that others have that right as well, despite the fact that they may hold a different view to you."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whether it actually happened or not is completely irrelevant. The facts of the case also not important. He is a convicted rapist! Full stop, end of story.

I don't think it's his conviction that is preventing him from going back to work. It is his actions since. He has shown he has no respect to anyone involved in the trial and a complete lack of remorse for his actions.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Of course Ched Evans should be able to go right back to his privileged life without any further repercussions.

After all, it's not like the woman has had to deal with repercussions or will have to live with what happened and the ongoing repercussions for the rest of her life.

Oh, wait...

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

As far as his friend who had gone to the room with the woman was aware Ched had gone home to bed.

Ched Evans whole case for being innocent is based on the woman's behaviour, her level of intoxication and the fact that she went back to someone's hotel room in that state.

This is complete speculation. You do not know that Macdonald thought that a Evans had gone to bed. Macdonald was in no hurry to throw Evans out and indeed they both agreed that they asked the victim if Evans could join in and both stated separately (and independently under oath) that she asked Evans to perform oral sex on her. We have no idea whatsoever what went on in that room other than the witness testimony that was given open and freely by Macdonald and Evans whilst being interviewed separately.

Despite your assertions, you do not know why Macdonald was found not guilty but it cannot be because of the reasons that you stated based on the charges that Macdonald faced.

As for your scenario .... Let's change it a little.

You go to a Swingers Club on a night out and it it is a quiet night, not much going on and nobody you really fancy and unfortunately you have a bit too much to drink. Late on as you are ready to go a young, hot and fit guy arrives and it is like all your Christmases arrive at once. You are feeling extra playful and aching for some action especially after such a dull night. You take him off to a room and get straight down to it and you really get into it as you were feeling horny anyway and the alcohol loosened your inhibitions. You talk dirty to the guy and next minute the door opens and in walks hot, fit and athletic guy number two. Number one guy asks if he can join and you say sure thing... Come and lick this.

This is just as valid a scenario as the one you have made and none of us know what really went on. The bottom line here is that the victim had said that an hour and a half before the incidents took place that she was a little tipsy but not out of control. There was no evidence that she consumed any more alcohol afterwards but there is evidence that she ate food and urinated (in a shop doorway) so she should have been a little more sober. Despite the fact that she had said that she was only tipsy, the Judge told Evans in his summing up that he should have known that she was in no state to have sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Of course Ched Evans should be able to go right back to his privileged life without any further repercussions.

After all, it's not like the woman has had to deal with repercussions or will have to live with what happened and the ongoing repercussions for the rest of her life.

Oh, wait..."

Just a perspective but I think he'd suffer more going back into football rather than dropping out of the public eye.

How much shit is he gonna get from the crowds? How many objects thrown, How many threats? How many fans jumping on the pitch to get at him?

Also is he really that naive to think players won't try and take him out on the pitch? Does he actually believe that referees won't turn a blind eye?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is appealing the verdict and the case is under review. If he were to apolagise then he would be admitting guilt. As he believes himself to be innocent of raping this girl then he cannot apolagise to her without admitting he did it.

I find it hard to believe that a jury would find him guilty of rape unless there was physical evidence to support the girls claim. Very very rarely does a rape case get a conviction when its one persons word against another.

What doesn't make sense to me is that the other footballer that was there (can't remember his name) got a not guilty verdict.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As far as his friend who had gone to the room with the woman was aware Ched had gone home to bed.

Ched Evans whole case for being innocent is based on the woman's behaviour, her level of intoxication and the fact that she went back to someone's hotel room in that state.

Despite your assertions, you do not know why Macdonald was found not guilty but it cannot be because of the reasons that you stated based on the charges that Macdonald faced.

As for your scenario .... Let's change it a little.

That sober the hotel staff were asked to keep an eye on her

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By *icefellatwoMan
over a year ago

hastings

"Of course Ched Evans should be able to go right back to his privileged life without any further repercussions.

After all, it's not like the woman has had to deal with repercussions or will have to live with what happened and the ongoing repercussions for the rest of her life.

Oh, wait..."

It will be interesting to see peoples reactions should the conviction be overturned

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By *laineabdneilCouple
over a year ago

Liverpool

Only 1 thing I disagree with .. Footballers are footballers not role models ...role models are parents are carers....

Just because some earn big money we should never use them as role models ...

Gazza ... Rooney ... Cantona .... Role models ??? No chance and nor should they be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just saying Google the evidence, I feel sorry for him "

like googles truthful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Of course Ched Evans should be able to go right back to his privileged life without any further repercussions.

After all, it's not like the woman has had to deal with repercussions or will have to live with what happened and the ongoing repercussions for the rest of her life.

Oh, wait...

It will be interesting to see peoples reactions should the conviction be overturned"

The same as it always is. Some will believe it and some won't.

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By *icefellatwoMan
over a year ago

hastings

The Criminal Cases Review Commission announced that they were fast-tracking a review into his conviction.

There must be doubt about the conviction for them to do this !

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Of course Ched Evans should be able to go right back to his privileged life without any further repercussions.

After all, it's not like the woman has had to deal with repercussions or will have to live with what happened and the ongoing repercussions for the rest of her life.

Oh, wait..."

Again, this is complete speculation. However.... I do happen to believe also that the woman has had a thought time of it. Especially as she did not make a rape complaint and was coached into doing so by North Wales Police.

My opinion is that this case will turn out to to be watershed case in British legal history because it will get overturned and the consequences of it being overturned will rock the legal establishment.

Evans will rightfully be entitled to significant compensation, but what of the Oman who would no longer be a victim of rape but be an unwitting victim of vexatious litigation pursued by North Wales Police and the CPS. She will have gone through so much despite never, ever complaint of being raped. Will she also be entitled to compensation? I would certainly hope so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" The Criminal Cases Review Commission announced that they were fast-tracking a review into his conviction.

There must be doubt about the conviction for them to do this !"

I think it's more to do with the media attention and Evans being very much in the Public eye.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only 1 thing I disagree with .. Footballers are footballers not role models ...role models are parents are carers....

Just because some earn big money we should never use them as role models ...

Gazza ... Rooney ... Cantona .... Role models ??? No chance and nor should they be "

As a mother I cannot control who my son idolises at any given time. Some days he thinks Spiderman is the best person in the world others he will think it's good to copy Monsters Inc and scare everyone. The point is they may not chose to be a role model but they will have an influence on the children who want to be like their favourite footballers.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Whether it actually happened or not is completely irrelevant. The facts of the case also not important. He is a convicted rapist! Full stop, end of story.

Our judicial history is full of people who were incorrectly convicted for crimes that they did not commit. A very few of these are high profile, thousands are not.

Please feel relieved that there are people in society who will look for inconsistencies, flaws and errors in the law so that innocent people do not get imprisoned for crimes they did not commit.

Surely we all want to know that justice has been fairly served or do we just want to put people in prison who we don't like or because they behaved in a way that we didn't like?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As far as his friend who had gone to the room with the woman was aware Ched had gone home to bed.

Ched Evans whole case for being innocent is based on the woman's behaviour, her level of intoxication and the fact that she went back to someone's hotel room in that state.

Thank you, unbelievable that this person should expect anything other than contempt.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

" The Criminal Cases Review Commission announced that they were fast-tracking a review into his conviction.

There must be doubt about the conviction for them to do this !

I think it's more to do with the media attention and Evans being very much in the Public eye."

Evans defence team missed some very important points of law and fired all of their bullets in the original trial. The reason that the appeal failed is because they could not supply new evidence having used it all in the trial.

The CCRC review is an entirely different matter and this is being handled by a new defence team whose expertise is in correcting miscarriages of justice. They took it on because it fits their case profile.

I will be amazed if the CCRC do not overturn this conviction. OK technically they can't but if they then refer it back, then it will be as good as overturned - then watch the mayhem unfold!

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By *laineabdneilCouple
over a year ago

Liverpool

Idolising someone and being a role model are 2 different things ...

A footballers has a job to do ..On the pitch

Off the pitch ....

Like anyone else if he breaks the law he faces the consequences ...

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Just saying Google the evidence, I feel sorry for him

The all the evidence is not available, we were not in court.

We did not hear or see what the jury heard or saw. We were not in the jury room when the discussed the evidence.

Therefore we cannot make an informed decision.

The jury decided he was guilty and he was sentenced. Until a court finds otherwise he is a convicted rapist.

As such it is not appropriate for him to be in a position to be a role model for young men or indeed young women.

I know he did not ask to be a role model and some would argue there are better role models than footballers, but like it or not some young men will look on him as a role model.

If his appeal is successful then there would be no bar against him continuing as a footballer but until then I feel it is wrong.

You either have to accept the law 100% or be prepared to discuss it and accept that others have that right as well, despite the fact that they may hold a different view to you."

This is pretty much what I said further up.

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By *SweetVioletxWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Just saying Google the evidence, I feel sorry for him

The all the evidence is not available, we were not in court.

We did not hear or see what the jury heard or saw. We were not in the jury room when the discussed the evidence.

Therefore we cannot make an informed decision.

The jury decided he was guilty and he was sentenced. Until a court finds otherwise he is a convicted rapist.

As such it is not appropriate for him to be in a position to be a role model for young men or indeed young women.

I know he did not ask to be a role model and some would argue there are better role models than footballers, but like it or not some young men will look on him as a role model.

If his appeal is successful then there would be no bar against him continuing as a footballer but until then I feel it is wrong.

All very well put. I personally find the discussions on the forums of this matter quite disturbing and uncomfortable. In particular due to the nature of the site. It does continue to confirm my views of many of the males on this site who see women in a derogatory, here for our sexual use light.

The neediness for many to find justification for defending a convicted rapist is amazing. Had this guy not been a footballer, had the girl been underage, had there been any violence all the views expressed would be quite different.

Throw a bit of alcohol in the mix, a bit of stranger sex and an anonymous hotel room and maybe it all comes a bit too close to home for many.

Now I will state that I am NOT I repeat NOT labeling anyone on here of being a potential rapist. But having sex whilst very d*unk and maybe not in full control of our faculties will have happened to a large percentage of the adult population and maybe just maybe it's a reason why many find the need to defend this man.

It's a familiar situation to many across the country and a position many would have found themselves in.

Rather than discussing this man/ case it would be better use of time and mental effort for us all to discuss whether it is possible to change the attitudes of men where the sexual exploitation, abuse and violence towards girls and women becomes so unthinkable that we never have to have this discussion again.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Of course Ched Evans should be able to go right back to his privileged life without any further repercussions.

After all, it's not like the woman has had to deal with repercussions or will have to live with what happened and the ongoing repercussions for the rest of her life.

Oh, wait..."

The affect on the woman involved would have been taken into account when the sentence was passed. The maximum sentence for rape is life. The court passed down a sentence of 5 years with release on license after 2.5.

Maybe this isn't enough, maybe it is. Maybe football should be a restricted profession, maybe it shouldn't be. It's just the same as saying maybe he's not guilty maybe he's guilty.

But, as it stands now, in law he is guilty and his punishment is 5 years with release on license after 2.5.

Any other punishment is simply the rule of the mob and is totally wrong and immoral. Any one threatening to harm or distress those going about their lawful business, which might include employing Evans as a footballer, is committing an offence under law and could very well end up in a similar situation to Evans themselves. The law IS the law.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just saying Google the evidence, I feel sorry for him

The all the evidence is not available, we were not in court.

We did not hear or see what the jury heard or saw. We were not in the jury room when the discussed the evidence.

Therefore we cannot make an informed decision.

The jury decided he was guilty and he was sentenced. Until a court finds otherwise he is a convicted rapist.

As such it is not appropriate for him to be in a position to be a role model for young men or indeed young women.

I know he did not ask to be a role model and some would argue there are better role models than footballers, but like it or not some young men will look on him as a role model.

If his appeal is successful then there would be no bar against him continuing as a footballer but until then I feel it is wrong.

Throw a bit of alcohol in the mix, a bit of stranger sex and an anonymous hotel room and maybe it all comes a bit too close to home for many.

It's a familiar situation to many across the country and a position many would have found themselves in.

These are my thoughts. And a reply to a similar post on another Evans thread confirmed my believe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Point 2 how can you be consent to one person then 20 mins later be in no fit state to consent to the other. "

The woman in question willingly went back to the hotel room with the first man. That's why he was considered to not be guilty.

But Ched Evans broke into her hotel room - by getting a key from a member of staff - and then had sex with her.

If you were d*unk in a hotel room and someone has to break in to have sex with you - what's the likelihood that you consented?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Has anyone else pondered the wisdom of calling your kid Chedwyn?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone else pondered the wisdom of calling your kid Chedwyn?

Tina you bring light to the darkest of subject matter.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Point 2 how can you be consent to one person then 20 mins later be in no fit state to consent to the other.

The woman in question willingly went back to the hotel room with the first man. That's why he was considered to not be guilty.

But Ched Evans broke into her hotel room - by getting a key from a member of staff - and then had sex with her.

If you were d*unk in a hotel room and someone has to break in to have sex with you - what's the likelihood that you consented?"

Let's say that she was not in a fit state to consent when a Evans came in to the room. What does it make Macdonald if Macdonald made no attempt whatsoever to stop him? I would say that he would be an accessory to the crime.

As has been stated previously the only evidence as to what really happened was given willingly, freely and independently by Evans and Macdonald. The woman did not allege or complain of rape and stated that she had been tipsy, but in control an hour and a half earlier and had no further drink.

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By *SweetVioletxWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

Point 2 how can you be consent to one person then 20 mins later be in no fit state to consent to the other.

The woman in question willingly went back to the hotel room with the first man. That's why he was considered to not be guilty.

But Ched Evans broke into her hotel room - by getting a key from a member of staff - and then had sex with her.

If you were d*unk in a hotel room and someone has to break in to have sex with you - what's the likelihood that you consented?

It takes time for alcohol from 20 minutes to 2 hours for the body to absorb what you have consumed. So you could stop drinking and continue to get further inebriated over the following 2 hours.

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

Bored

BORED

B O R E D

Are there any jokes about overpaid rapist footballers and their overated status in our society??

Lucky the girl wasn't from a non Christian religion.

We wouldn't be having this debate.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Point 2 how can you be consent to one person then 20 mins later be in no fit state to consent to the other.

The woman in question willingly went back to the hotel room with the first man. That's why he was considered to not be guilty.

But Ched Evans broke into her hotel room - by getting a key from a member of staff - and then had sex with her.

If you were d*unk in a hotel room and someone has to break in to have sex with you - what's the likelihood that you consented?

It takes time for alcohol from 20 minutes to 2 hours for the body to absorb what you have consumed. So you could stop drinking and continue to get further inebriated over the following 2 hours."

Except that there is uncontested testimony that in the two hours or so up to 3am, she consumed four double vodka and sprite and one Sambuca. There is also recorded evidence that she urinated before going to the hotel which indicates that at least some of the alcohol had passed through her liver. Also uncontested expert witness put her alcohol level at 2.5 times the drink drive limit (around tour pints of lager for a woman).

As she had not been drinking high volume drinks (pints of beer) the alcohol in shorts and shots would be in the blood stream quite quickly - and by default passing through the liver.

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By *punkloverCouple
over a year ago

hatfield

Whatever happens in the future with all of this, there is nobody that wins anything, lives have been destroyed. Some club somewhere will employ him, that's just the fact, it will probably take him to complete his release conditions then a foreign club will sign him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one is saying he can't carry on with his life just maybe not in the public eye earning shit loads of cash for doing very little. Let him rehabilitate quitely off the grid somewhere. Go and play in middle east maybe. Doubt they'll be bothered lol.

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By *SweetVioletxWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

Point 2 how can you be consent to one person then 20 mins later be in no fit state to consent to the other.

The woman in question willingly went back to the hotel room with the first man. That's why he was considered to not be guilty.

But Ched Evans broke into her hotel room - by getting a key from a member of staff - and then had sex with her.

If you were d*unk in a hotel room and someone has to break in to have sex with you - what's the likelihood that you consented?

It takes time for alcohol from 20 minutes to 2 hours for the body to absorb what you have consumed. So you could stop drinking and continue to get further inebriated over the following 2 hours.

As she had not been drinking high volume drinks (pints of beer) the alcohol in shorts and shots would be in the blood stream quite quickly - and by default passing through the liver."

Oh well as long as you say so. Clearly she deserved all she got. Case over. It's ok folks we've got all the answers now - stand down legal system.

None of what you say in regards to the absorption of alcohol makes a difference. After one glass of wine my friend is incapable of making any valid decisions.

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By *olly RogererMan
over a year ago

Braintree

Evans should be allowed to return to work as a footballer! In fact he has been allowed to return to work as a footballer by all the powers that be F.A

In fact the only people who are not allowing him to return to work are people like you and I, normal people with a view point, signing petitions and vigilantism, which in my opinion is wrong.

People in much higher profile sports and higher profile people have done so, and whatever the rights and wrongs of the case are he should be allowed to do whatever he chooses with in legal reasons.

I believe that once he signs for a team, there will be a hoo har for a few weeks then all will be forgotten whin the next media subject becomes a target

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have read about the case and it's open and shut. He is guilty.

I think his colleague was found innocent because she consented to having sex with him. CCTV shows she willingly went to the hotel. His colleague had texted Ched to say he had "found a bird". She did not consent to sex with CE. She was too d*unk to consent.

He won't apologise for raping the girl because he thinks he is innocent in his own mind. I'm surprised he hasn't been brought up by his gf for cheating on her either! Her dad is funding the chef is innocent website.

He can play football again but football relies a lot on supporters and public opinion, and a lot of clubs have families, women and right thinking men who go to games.

Rape is one if those crimes which is hard to come back from. Not as bad as, but in the same ball park as pedophilia.

Ched can always get a job doing something which is under the radar - shop, cleaner, catering etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just saying Google the evidence, I feel sorry for him "

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"This case is easily sorted if the football authorities take a position similar to other industries.

I hope that this case leads to a fundamental change in how professional sportsmen conduct themselves.

this..

part of the solution lies in our own hands as consumers of the products that sponsor this industry..

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Just saying Google the evidence, I feel sorry for him

I don't feel sorry for him. He gas been found guilty by a legally constituted, fair court. He is guilty in law and until such time as another court says he is not guilty, if one ever does, he should be treated as guilty.

However being treated as guilty means just that and no more. His punishment, handed down by the same court that found him guilty, is 5 years with release on licence after 2.5. It is not that he should never be aloud to play football ever again. Either you support and agree with the rule of law or you don't. Those who are saying he is not guilty or may not be guilty are just as bad as those who want him punished beyond what the law, through the court, has already decided his punishment should be. You both sides seem to think that there judgment and opinion should have higher regard than the law of the land. Just think for a few moments what that would actually mean. Mod justice, people being let of crimes by popular vote whilst others are excessively punished for the same offence. Is that really what you all want?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Just saying Google the evidence, I feel sorry for him

by his own actions he deserves no sympathy, his victim however is deserving of compassion..

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Just saying Google the evidence, I feel sorry for him

by his own actions he deserves no sympathy, his victim however is deserving of compassion.."

I think a thread on the way she has been treated might be very appropriate. Yet again, another case of mob law but, while relevant to this thread, it is not what this thread is about. This thread is about C Evans and his treatment.

You may well find if you start that thread I'd be saying pretty similar things there as here about the rule of law

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Just saying Google the evidence, I feel sorry for him

by his own actions he deserves no sympathy, his victim however is deserving of compassion..

You may well find if you start that thread I'd be saying pretty similar things there as here about the rule of law"

its a fair point..

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By *quirrelMan
over a year ago

East Manchester

Some facts abut the Evans rape case which are conveniently forgotten by his supporters.

As everyone who has been out drinking knows, alcohol is great at reducing your inhibitions, this girl had been out with friends and had a bit to drink and got chatted up by a mate of Evans, she agreed to sex and they went to a hotel room for fun.

This "gentleman" who had obviously not d*unken enough to get really d*unk then has the idea to get his mate laid as well, so he texted him with details of the hotel and the room (this implies that there was forward planning and not impulsive actions, and also that it was not by choice that the lady wanted a 3 sum, because all 3 were not present when going to a hotel was agreed)

Evans finds the hotel and room, and is let in by his friend, who asks him to film him having sex, by this time the woman was nearly unconscious as the full effects of her night on the booze had taken effect.

Evans then strips the woman naked and has sex with her which is filmed by his mate, they both get cleaned up and Evans leaves by a window which was then locked by his friend who goes out by the main entrance,

If it was consensual sex, how did she make it clear she wanted it if she was unconscious? why did Evans leave by a window if he wasn't doing anything wrong?

His sentence hasn't been completed, he is out on licence after serving half of the 5 years, his lack of remorse and admission of guilt has compounded his misery, because his victim is being stalked by the Fans who believe his story despite the evidence.

His victim is still serving her sentence, as she is hounded from city to city and had to change jobs, friends and names to try to escape the hate filled vile scum who think footballers should be immune from the rules.

The company I worked for was an Oldham club sponsor, they were told that either they revise their sponsorship or there will be trouble, the ultimatum came.......... from their own workers, many who had daughters or held specific views on rapists and what should be done with them.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Some facts abut the Evans rape case which are conveniently forgotten by his supporters.

If it was consensual sex, how did she make it clear she wanted it if she was unconscious? why did Evans leave by a window if he wasn't doing anything wrong?

Interested to know where you got the above facts from? Perhaps you can post a link to them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just saying Google the evidence, I feel sorry for him

You keep saying mob justice. But football is an entertainment industry and the players wages are funded in the large part by fans. If the fans of this particular club don't want there money going towards his wages then they are quite within there rights to say so. The club then have to make an informed decision as to whether to employ him or not.

If a stand up comedian was found guilty of a crime and a theatre booked him for some shows if the public felt they didn't want to support him because of those crimes then the shows would be cancelled. When Jerry Lewis married his 14 year old cousin people stopped turning up to his concerts so he stopped performing.

This isn't mob rule , this is people voting with their pocket. If Oldham thought they could make money from Evans they would have employed him. But a sufficient number of fans and sponsors expressed a view that they didn't want their money lining this individuals pockets. That is fair enough. Not mob rule just fans expressing their concerns.

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By *olly RogererMan
over a year ago

Braintree

Whilst I don't disagree with you, you use the term evidence and fact strongly.

All I would say is that especially on sights like this there are May many horny buggers into all sorts of kinky stuff,

How many of you have pulled a bird in a night club and thought "hmmmm she's pissed as a fart, I will invite my mate over, she will never know"?

I'd hazard a guess at none!

So therefore (and I am not stating facts) I believe there is still more to the story than meets the eye, not defending him what so ever but simply put, the facts are only known by a handful of people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If a teacher was found guilty in did half his time , would he/her be allowed back to carry on teaching? Exactly !! Plus he hasn't served his time ! Football players are role models for our younger generation What George Best, Paul Gascoigne, Tony Adams, Charlie Nicholas, Robin Friday, Vinnie Jones, Roy Keane are role models for your kids are they?? They certainly aint for mine lol my kids role model is me n since when did all footballers volunteer to be role models for other peoples kids???"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very emotive subject, Chad has been found guilty . Rape is a terrible crime, I don't think Chad fully understands what rape means, when I say that I think in his mind rape is waiting in an alley with a knife and scarf around his face..... Rape is no simple as. He needs to understand his crime and leave the public eye. It's not that he can't work it's he can't work being a football that represents a city ,town,community

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Some facts abut the Evans rape case which are conveniently forgotten by his supporters.

If it was consensual sex, how did she make it clear she wanted it if she was unconscious? why did Evans leave by a window if he wasn't doing anything wrong?

I'm currently not interested in the evidence any longer. I've not argued that he is not guilty at any point on this thread. As far as I am concerned he IS guilty in law until a court says otherwise, if one ever does.

This may also sound harsh but what is happening to the victim, whilst wrong, is not relevant to how Evans is now treated. The victims anguish would have been taken into consideration when the sentence was passed and that sentence was 5 years with release on licence after 2.5. It was not that he should never be allowed to play football ever again.

I don't think there is anything commendable with either Oldham, its sponsors or its supporters in either inciting mob rule or caving in to it. How can you possibly believe that that is any form of justice.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Whilst I don't disagree with you, you use the term evidence and fact strongly.

All I would say is that especially on sights like this there are May many horny buggers into all sorts of kinky stuff,

How many of you have pulled a bird in a night club and thought "hmmmm she's pissed as a fart, I will invite my mate over, she will never know"?

I'd hazard a guess at none!

And, if the review sends the case back to the appeal court, all that might well be relevant but unless or until it does he IS guilty in law and should be treated as such but no more.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

I am really worried with opinions like that you are on a sex site "

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Just saying Google the evidence, I feel sorry for him

If that was all that was happening you might have a valid point but when people are threatening to rape members of the Oldham boards family if they don't do as they say; that is intimidation and assault. That to me is mob rule.

And, in case you're going to say the same thing has happened to the victim that's no excuse. Both are wrong, both are mob rule and any on either side who are trying to force their judgments over the law are equally at fault.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone actually looked at the evidence in the case? I think he will be found not guilty

It certainly isn't cut n dry.

The incident itself is far from clear and it's likely very few people will ever know what really happened.

Rape is a disgusting crime, as is intimidating a witness to a different degree.

Lee hughes

Marlon king

Luke McCormack

Is it not more disturbing that the victim was hounded out of her home and has had to start a new life with a new identity. Evans is not the victim here. "

He is the victim if he is, as he says, innocent!

We all know he was convicted by a jury - but we also know that, on occasion, jury's get it wrong! The only people who really know what happened, unfortunately, are the people who were in the room at that time. I only hope that the real truth, whatever that is, comes out soon! Xx

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By *olly RogererMan
over a year ago

Braintree

"Has anyone actually looked at the evidence in the case? I think he will be found not guilty

It certainly isn't cut n dry.

The incident itself is far from clear and it's likely very few people will ever know what really happened.

Rape is a disgusting crime, as is intimidating a witness to a different degree.

Lee hughes

Marlon king

Luke McCormack

Is it not more disturbing that the victim was hounded out of her home and has had to start a new life with a new identity. Evans is not the victim here.

He is the victim if he is, as he says, innocent!

There are so many flaws to the justice system it deserves it's own thread lol. So people are blinded by the fact that innocent and guilty verdicts are absolutely correct

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gone are the days of innocent until proven guilty. Now you're guilty as soon as you're arrested or innocent no matter what, even when convicted by a court. Guess it depends how good your story is.

The most worrying thing I have read are those basically saying she asked for it because she was d*unk!

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"Has anyone else pondered the wisdom of calling your kid Chedwyn?

Tina you bring light to the darkest of subject matter.

I think it might have been chosen in the spirit of 'A boy named Sue' by Johnny Cash

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By *orseydaveMan
over a year ago

Norwich NR5

trouble is he did appeal and 3 high court judges found the guilty verdict was right.

What's wrong is no one says shit all about Bramble (ex Newcastle/Ipswich)... he was done for gang raping a woman whilst at Ipswich, then was arrested again for similar offence whilst at Newcastle... but played on with no backlash.... ah but he is black, I don't suppose that had anything to do with it did it ????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lets hope a team in saudi arabia wish to sign him

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Has anyone actually looked at the evidence in the case? I think he will be found not guilty

It certainly isn't cut n dry.

The incident itself is far from clear and it's likely very few people will ever know what really happened.

Rape is a disgusting crime, as is intimidating a witness to a different degree.

Lee hughes

Marlon king

Luke McCormack

Is it not more disturbing that the victim was hounded out of her home and has had to start a new life with a new identity. Evans is not the victim here.

He is the victim if he is, as he says, innocent!

There are so many flaws to the justice system it deserves it's own thread lol. So people are blinded by the fact that innocent and guilty verdicts are absolutely correct"

No, I'm not blind to the fact that a jury can get it wrong but until another court says so the person IS guilty in law and has to be treated as guilty, as found by the only court that has looked at all the evidence available at the time.

And as a point of information a criminal court does decide between guilty or innocent but between guilty or not guilty, a suttle but impotent difference.

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London

"lets hope a team in saudi arabia wish to sign him"

His on licence and can't leave the country

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

important*. grrrr. auto text

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

Could somebody explain why professional footballers are thought to be in a 'privileged' profession.

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London

"Could somebody explain why professional footballers are thought to be in a 'privileged' profession."

Simply put Because of the salary

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"Could somebody explain why professional footballers are thought to be in a 'privileged' profession.

Simply put Because of the salary "

All professional footballers?

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By *olly RogererMan
over a year ago

Braintree

I'm not saying you are blinded chicken, I think we are in absolute agreement on this topic, maybe you have misread my meaning or thought it was aimed at you when in fact it isn't.

What my view point is that when a person is found guilty, a huge portion of the time it is absolutely clear cut, be it a plead of guilt or overwhelming evidence, but in chess case (as we have found on this topic alone) there is more to meet the eye.

So my point is that however guilty he is (and in the eyes of the law he is guilty) there are reasonable grounds for an appeal or review, that in its self leads me to think that something doesn't stack up!,

And on that basis alone I think people (like us) should wait a little longer before stringing him up and banishing him from football

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not saying you are blinded chicken, I think we are in absolute agreement on this topic, maybe you have misread my meaning or thought it was aimed at you when in fact it isn't.

And on that basis alone I think people (like us) should wait a little longer before stringing him up and banishing him from football"

More than one judge thinks there is no grounds for appeal.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I'm not saying you are blinded chicken, I think we are in absolute agreement on this topic, maybe you have misread my meaning or thought it was aimed at you when in fact it isn't.

And on that basis alone I think people (like us) should wait a little longer before stringing him up and banishing him from football"

Ok, except to add that I would not agree to stringing him up whether he be guilty or not guilty

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By *olly RogererMan
over a year ago

Braintree

"I'm not saying you are blinded chicken, I think we are in absolute agreement on this topic, maybe you have misread my meaning or thought it was aimed at you when in fact it isn't.

And on that basis alone I think people (like us) should wait a little longer before stringing him up and banishing him from football

More than one judge thinks there is no grounds for appeal. "

I'm sorry I'm missing your point in that post?

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By *olly RogererMan
over a year ago

Braintree

"I'm not saying you are blinded chicken, I think we are in absolute agreement on this topic, maybe you have misread my meaning or thought it was aimed at you when in fact it isn't.

And on that basis alone I think people (like us) should wait a little longer before stringing him up and banishing him from football

Ok, except to add that I would not agree to stringing him up whether he be guilty or not guilty"

No me neither, but you some on here would

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Rape is one if those crimes which is hard to come back from. Not as bad as, but in the same ball park as pedophilia.

Just a request - could we try and avoid saying 'this crime is worse than that crime' please. For the vicitms it's all terrible and it's impossible to measure in such a blanket way the affects that it has on people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see Steve Bruce has stuck his head above the parapet.

He is quite brave to say what he thinks about it in public. Anyone who is in the public eye is liable to get it cut off by the mob.

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

Perfect solution.

He should play for Blackpool.

Wasn't Owner/Chairman

OWEN OYSTON convicted of either rape or having sex with am underage girl??

Please correct me on this Seasiders. .

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Rape is one if those crimes which is hard to come back from. Not as bad as, but in the same ball park as pedophilia.

WOW. I finally agree with you on something. !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I haven't read the whole thread so not sure if this has been touched on but tge Attorney General is reviewing Ched Evans' website. It may be taken down. He could also be in conempt of court and face charges.

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

"Perfect solution.

He should play for Blackpool.

Wasn't Owner/Chairman

OWEN OYSTON convicted of either rape or having sex with am underage girl??

Please correct me on this Seasiders. ."

I've just looked it up

Rape and indecent assault of one girl, not underage.

Cases against Three other girls were dropped.

He served three and a half years imprisonment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At least Ched Evans has issued an apology for the "effects" the case has had on the wider public. Other parties to the matter haven't and most likely won;t do so.

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London

"Could somebody explain why professional footballers are thought to be in a 'privileged' profession.

Simply put Because of the salary

All professional footballers?"

Yes even in the lower leagues you earn a very good salary a lot more then the average 9-5 that's for sure

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

As far as his friend who had gone to the room with the woman was aware Ched had gone home to bed.

Ched Evans whole case for being innocent is based on the woman's behaviour, her level of intoxication and the fact that she went back to someone's hotel room in that state.

Despite your assertions, you do not know why Macdonald was found not guilty but it cannot be because of the reasons that you stated based on the charges that Macdonald faced.

As for your scenario .... Let's change it a little.

Point one: Though Ched Evans booked the room at no point was he going to be staying in it. He booked it for Mcdonald and the understanding was that it was for Mcdonald and another male friend to stay in at the end of a 'lads night out'.

Point two: Ched Evans returned to the hotel after receiving a text from Mcdonald saying he'd 'got a bird'. Evans returned with two other friends who went outside to the window where they watched and filmed on their phones.

This is information from the trial transcripts, not from any other website.

As to your question about how I'd feel? I don't drink at swingers clubs or events if I think there is a possibility of play. I have turned men down before because I was intoxicated and I don't play when d*unk. I also know men who turn down women in swingers clubs when the women have been drinking because they don't want to ever be in a position whereby the woman starts to regret a d*unken impulse.

"hot, fit and athletic" are not the only reason to have sex with someone. And if a door opened and someone uninvited walked in I'd be out of there like a shot. I can say that with certainty because it has happened to me, I met a guy to play and it turned out he'd been bragging to his (yes, hot, fit, goodlooking friend) and had suggested that if he walk in during that I was so "up for it" that I would just agree. I didn't.

I have also turned up for meets to discover another friend there when I arrive where they think that a swinger female won't turn down more sex. I turned it down and left. My selection process is now more rigorous, so much so that I get accused of being picky and snotty and with too many rules.

Agreeing to random, nameless sex with one person does not mean I, or anyone else, will simply agree to their friends joining in too.

It's a minefield when sober so I don't drink and play.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think they maybe making more of this because he is a famous footballer, its partly jealousy and envy, if it was an ordinary bloke then most people wouldn't be that bothered. I for one am not convinced he is guilty, don't think he is as bad as they make him out to be.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"Could somebody explain why professional footballers are thought to be in a 'privileged' profession.

Simply put Because of the salary

All professional footballers?

Yes even in the lower leagues you earn a very good salary a lot more then the average 9-5 that's for sure"

A short career that could end prematurely, would you call a train driver or police man privileged.

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London

"Could somebody explain why professional footballers are thought to be in a 'privileged' profession.

Simply put Because of the salary

All professional footballers?

Yes even in the lower leagues you earn a very good salary a lot more then the average 9-5 that's for sure

A short career that could end prematurely, would you call a train driver or police man privileged."

Yes a short career but very lucrative career long gone are the days when footballers retire and become an electrician or own a pub for Some sort income,

Personally I wouldn't call a Train driver a privileged job but others would and you don't wanna know what I call police officers lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This case is easily sorted if the football authorities take a position similar to other industries.

I hope that this case leads to a fundamental change in how professional sportsmen conduct themselves.

Can you provide a list of criminal acts that this should cover? I think you might find a lot of footballers out of work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As someone posted on one of the other threads about him......would you want a convicted rapist holding your daughters hand to walk out onto the pitch?

Where is his interaction with children? Footballers are not crb checked, precisely because their job doesn't require it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think they maybe making more of this because he is a famous footballer, its partly jealousy and envy, if it was an ordinary bloke then most people wouldn't be that bothered. I for one am not convinced he is guilty, don't think he is as bad as they make him out to be."

It's definitely a bigger issue because he is famous and thus considered by many as a role model.

Things are a little complicated because of the appeal - which I presume is why he is refusing to accept guilt.

Hopefully the appeal will clear things up once and for all. Presently though, as far as the judicial system is concerned, Mr Evans is guilty of rape.

A sensible course of action may be for him/interested clubs to wait till all the legal stuff is out of the way.

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

It's definitely a bigger issue because he is famous and thus considered by many as a role model.

Things are a little complicated because of the appeal - which I presume is why he is refusing to accept guilt.

Hopefully the appeal will clear things up once and for all. Presently though, as far as the judicial system is concerned, Mr Evans is guilty of rape.

A sensible course of action may be for him/interested clubs to wait till all the legal stuff is out of the way."

There will be no appeal, the case and his new evidence has been examined and the verdict stands and his new evidence is not sufficient.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This case is easily sorted if the football authorities take a position similar to other industries.

I hope that this case leads to a fundamental change in how professional sportsmen conduct themselves.

of court for which he sould also be investigated), but if a clear code of conduct existed it would certainly act as a deterrent for appalling behaviour.

Does that mean a bin man cannot return to his previous job when he gets out? I fail to see how being a footballer means that if convicted of a crime (or is it just rape and sexual assault), it follows that you cannot, in theory, legally return to playing football. Its just football, he isn't teaching, running a childrens home, caring for the elderly or mentally handicapped. Stop expecting other people to set your children good examples. He's just a footballer, he signed up to play football. That is all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He was found guilty , yes there may be a judicial review, but at the moment he still stands as being found guilty. None of us know, whether this review will over turn his conviction. I'm no legal expert but I have a feeling his conviction will not change.

So maybe in a field with twenty odd other men and a crowd of thousands is the best place for him. At least you can see what he's up to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This case is easily sorted if the football authorities take a position similar to other industries.

I hope that this case leads to a fundamental change in how professional sportsmen conduct themselves.

of court for which he sould also be investigated), but if a clear code of conduct existed it would certainly act as a deterrent for appalling behaviour.

The main problem with the case was alcohol and drugs were involved which

she admitted to drinking 2 glasses of wine 4 double vodkas and a sambuca.

we all underestimate what we drink .

she tested positive for coccaine and cannabis which she denies taking.

in my opinion a good girl has been found to be taking drugs which her family did not know about and the rest is history .

A very dodgy case either way.

I agree, perhaps there should be a code of conduct to sign, but it can't be applied retrospectively.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There will be no appeal, the case and his new evidence has been examined and the verdict stands and his new evidence is not sufficient."

Ah - I hadn't realised. Fankoo x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This case is easily sorted if the football authorities take a position similar to other industries.

I hope that this case leads to a fundamental change in how professional sportsmen conduct themselves.

of court for which he sould also be investigated), but if a clear code of conduct existed it would certainly act as a deterrent for appalling behaviour.

The main problem with the case was alcohol and drugs were involved which

she admitted to drinking 2 glasses of wine 4 double vodkas and a sambuca.

we all underestimate what we drink .

she tested positive for coccaine and cannabis which she denies taking.

in my opinion a good girl has been found to be taking drugs which her family did not know about and the rest is history .

A very dodgy case either way.

I agree, perhaps there should be a code of conduct to sign, but it can't be applied retrospectively."

That's gonna be fun to watch. Politician's bringing in laws to introduce and uphold a code of conduct.

Wasn't there recently a Conservative peer who served time for not doing so? Amongst a few other MP's.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whether it actually happened or not is completely irrelevant. The facts of the case also not important. He is a convicted rapist! Full stop, end of story.

Because he believes he was innocent. If I was innocent I would do the same, wouldn't you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's definitely a bigger issue because he is famous and thus considered by many as a role model.

Things are a little complicated because of the appeal - which I presume is why he is refusing to accept guilt.

Hopefully the appeal will clear things up once and for all. Presently though, as far as the judicial system is concerned, Mr Evans is guilty of rape.

A sensible course of action may be for him/interested clubs to wait till all the legal stuff is out of the way.

There will be no appeal, the case and his new evidence has been examined and the verdict stands and his new evidence is not sufficient."

That may well be but the Criminal Case Review Board are not only loooking into it but have made it a priority (Even if it takes some nine months).

They must have a strong reason for doing so.

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

It seems to me that Ched Evans has attempted to use the (so called) court of public opinion to sway things in his favour.

Personally I think he has done us a favour, he has provoked a lot of debate and discussion not only about this case but also about what actually constitutes rape and what constitutes consent.

But I deplore the faction who named the woman in the case and who used social media to hound and persecute her under aegis of defending Evans even after a court had reached a verdict.

Fame carries responsibility, few here would deny that in the recent cases of historical sex abuse that the abusers used their fame and influence to perpetuate their crimes and also to conceal them and to cause allegations to be laughed off at the time.

Che Evans is doing something similar by trying to manipulate the public perception of this woman. Her life has been utterly destroyed and there is a faction in society who, if they recognise her, will pillory and abuse her again.

His conviction stands. At no point has he attempted to apologise meaningfully for the damage to this woman's life. At no point has he ever suggested that he behaved in an ill-advised or ill thought out manner. At no point has he suggested that his judgement was poor.

It's this continued arrogance which offends so much.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sadly it's a fact of life that many children look up to famous footballers. With the amount of public exposure they receive it's inevitable that they are role models. Shirt sales contribute to the financial structure of a club. Fans wear the colours and names with pride - and defend their heroes to ridiculous extents. Even adults can be seen verbally jousting at the pub following a match or whatever.

While that's the case - the dilemma remains. If footballers of a certain calibre are considered role models by many people, young and old - should one who is guilty of a serious crime + and does not yet recognise his crime - continue to ply his trade in the public eye?

Difficult.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whether it actually happened or not is completely irrelevant. The facts of the case also not important. He is a convicted rapist! Full stop, end of story.

Because he believes he was innocent. If I was innocent I would do the same, wouldn't you?"

Maybe because at the time he actually received consent. How was he to know it would be removed several days after the event?

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By *adja_lazloCouple
over a year ago

Solihull

"Has anyone actually looked at the evidence in the case? I think he will be found not guilty

But he was found guilty.

Indeed, and has served time for the crime."

Ian Huntley is going to be the new bus driver at your childs school, well he done his time!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If he say was to successfully appeal the conviction and have the conviction overturned how would people feel then about both partys

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone actually looked at the evidence in the case? I think he will be found not guilty"
We haven't seen the all the evidence. We've seen some cctv and some people have drawn their own uninformed conclusions. The judge and jury saw everything and made their decisions based on all evidence. Fyi, if you met a great lady on fab and she ended up steaming d*unk on your amazing date and she told you she wanted to have sex with you which you did, then she passed out and you called your friend and asked him if he wanted to come over and have sex with an unconscious woman who could not now give consent, which he then did, your friend would also be guilty of rape. That's what rape is. Sex without consent. God I hope people understand that given we're on FAB....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps Ched Evans should start his own football team in the lower leagues BINGO UTD FC.

The Lags eleven.

Even then he'd upset and offend someone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone actually looked at the evidence in the case? I think he will be found not guilty We haven't seen the all the evidence. We've seen some cctv and some people have drawn their own uninformed conclusions. The judge and jury saw everything and made their decisions based on all evidence. Fyi, if you met a great lady on fab and she ended up steaming d*unk on your amazing date and she told you she wanted to have sex with you which you did, then she passed out and you called your friend and asked him if he wanted to come over and have sex with an unconscious woman who could not now give consent, which he then did, your friend would also be guilty of rape. That's what rape is. Sex without consent. God I hope people understand that given we're on FAB.... "

Do you know for fact that the woman was unconscious both before and during the sex she had with Evans?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

......"It is up to the courts to decide what punishments fit a crime. It is up to the Upper and Lower houses to decide what the laws are. I don't want laws making up because of kneejerk reactions to specific cases. Due process is a lot more rational, measured and more likely to work....

Not all laws are passed by Parliament. Those that are, are statutory laws. Higher courts can decide if a crime is unlawful by case law, such as murder. Murder is not on the statute books as illegal but is by case law.

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

Do you know for fact that the woman was unconscious both before and during the sex she had with Evans?"

She wasn't, but she has no memory of intercourse.

But Mcdonald simply sent a bragging text saying he'd pulled. He did not invite Evans overy, Evans had to lie to the hotel staff to gain entry to the room.

If you were going to join a friend for what you genuinely thought was going to consensual sex with a third party why wouldn't you simply knock on the room door? Why lie to get a copy of the key and walk in?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone actually looked at the evidence in the case? I think he will be found not guilty

But he was found guilty.

Indeed, and has served time for the crime.

Ian Huntley is going to be the new bus driver at your childs school, well he done his time!!!"

Not quite the same is it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Could somebody explain why professional footballers are thought to be in a 'privileged' profession.

Simply put Because of the salary

All professional footballers?

Yes even in the lower leagues you earn a very good salary a lot more then the average 9-5 that's for sure"

Is it a prviledge to utilise your skills for maximum profit?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This case is easily sorted if the football authorities take a position similar to other industries.

I hope that this case leads to a fundamental change in how professional sportsmen conduct themselves.

of court for which he sould also be investigated), but if a clear code of conduct existed it would certainly act as a deterrent for appalling behaviour.

I suspect most bin men would find they had breached their contract and would be unable to return to their job, it then follows that they would seek employment elsewhere with potential employers having the knowledge of their crimes.

Where many other industries are different, the law, finance, medicine etc is that an offender surrenders their right to participate in that industry if convicted of a criminal offence. While you may view footballers as just kicking a ball, you miss the point that footballers are looked up to, are expected to hold hands with mascots, are expected to work with junior teams, are expected to advertise their sponsors goods and are generally handsomely rewarded for doing so. I stand by my post that someone convicted of a crime (any crime) should not be allowed to play professional sport in the same way that me as a finance professional would be unable to work in my sector if convicted of the same crime.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Difficult. "

Then perhaps parents should be responsible for their childrens upbringing and certain adults need to grow up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone actually looked at the evidence in the case? I think he will be found not guilty

But he was found guilty.

Indeed, and has served time for the crime.

Ian Huntley is going to be the new bus driver at your childs school, well he done his time!!!"

He wouldn't pass a crb check. The job requires it. Football players don't need one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"......"It is up to the courts to decide what punishments fit a crime. It is up to the Upper and Lower houses to decide what the laws are. I don't want laws making up because of kneejerk reactions to specific cases. Due process is a lot more rational, measured and more likely to work....

But my point stands, it wasntbcreated as a kneejerk reaction to a high profile case was it?

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