FabSwingers.com forum: French journalists murdered

By *ratty_Damsel OP Woman
over a year ago

London.

Fucking outrageous......

Hope they catch the cowardly scumbags who did this!

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

2 police officers too

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By *awty MaxWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

So sad and so unnecessary.

My heart goes to the families.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sadly it is looking increasingly like free speech and Islam are totally incompatible..... Journalists in Jail in Egypt too.

Where does it go from here?

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

I wonder which group will claim responsibility?

Terrible, terrible tragedy.

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By *ratty_Damsel OP Woman
over a year ago

London.

The number of deaths will go up unfortunately, at least 4 critical.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Sadly it is looking increasingly like free speech and Islam are totally incompatible..... Journalists in Jail in Egypt too.

Where does it go from here?"

I remember as a kid they put a 'fatwa' on 'Salmon Rushdies' head didnt they?

Its not a new thing, plus there was that Danish magazine or newspaper thingy.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

Barbaric cowardly attack on freedom of speech...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Either Islam is not the peace loving religion that many on here would let you believe or there just really unlucky in attracting the idiot minority!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Either Islam is not the peace loving religion that many on here would let you believe or there just really unlucky in attracting the idiot minority!."

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

this is basically the french version of "private eye" they hit..... they take the piss out of everyone, not just muslims...

seeing the footage is frightening because it looks like it is professional.... the stuff being shown of french tv is a lot worse than the stuff being shown on skynews and bbc news24

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By *ratty_Damsel OP Woman
over a year ago

London.

The concept of Free Speech is laughable in relation to some religions, which in themselves are ridiculas concepts of social control.

Woe betide those who dare make fun!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The concept of Free Speech is laughable in relation to some religions, which in themselves are ridiculas concepts of social control.

Woe betide those who dare make fun!!

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By *ittleMissHottyTottyWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

Death toll is up to 12. This is an horrendous and cowardly action carried out by people using religion as their excuse. I truly hope the French authorities manage to track these animals down.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Don't know it's an Islamic Terrorist group yet.

But the odds on it not being wouldn't be very favourable.

Just shows how we are ALL very vulnerable to atrocity.

The French are active participants in the military action against ISIS. The extremists would consider the attack in France to be part of a wider campaign.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

A very unpleasant and tragic event. I hope Hislop locks the door behind him, following this.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Don't know it's an Islamic Terrorist group yet.

But the odds on it not being wouldn't be very favourable.

Just shows how we are ALL very vulnerable to atrocity.

The French are active participants in the military action against ISIS. The extremists would consider the attack in France to be part of a wider campaign. "

This is a copy/paste from bbc

The radical Islamic State group threatened to attack France minutes before Hebdo tweeted a satirical cartoon of the extremist group's leader giving New Year's wishes, AP says.

Plus they were shouting the Allah Akbar thing

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

The publication named the Prophet Muhammed as it's editor in Chief as a spoof comment in 2011.

Recently they have published articles critical of Islam.

Freedom of speech is a fundamental freedom in the West. Similarly, no one has the right not to be offended of their beliefs questioned.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

This is facism, with an Islamic face.

All moderate Muslims in the UK and the world over should be shouting from the rooftops 'not in my name'!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

12 dead... 10 journalists plus 2 policeman... the policeman who was "executed" is gruesome....

french tv saying 4 attackers... 3 plus a driver... 2 had AK's and 1 had a Rocket Launcher... god only knows what the carnage would have been if they had managed to use that.....

on the escape, they managed to hijack an innocent public members car and that where the police lost them....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tragic. I hope these extremists are caught and brought to justice.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"The publication named the Prophet Muhammed as it's editor in Chief as a spoof comment in 2011.

Recently they have published articles critical of Islam.

Freedom of speech is a fundamental freedom in the West. Similarly, no one has the right not to be offended of their beliefs questioned."

the ironic thing is that the magazine probably went after Catholicism and Judeaism as much as it did Islam and IS.....

the fact they were going after people by name and asking who and where there were is as chilling....

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"This is facism, with an Islamic face.

All moderate Muslims in the UK and the world over should be shouting from the rooftops 'not in my name'!"

They are. A 5 second search of google found a lot against it.

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By *ratty_Damsel OP Woman
over a year ago

London.

"This is facism, with an Islamic face.

All moderate Muslims in the UK and the world over should be shouting from the rooftops 'not in my name'!

They are. A 5 second search of google found a lot against it. "

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By *ratty_Damsel OP Woman
over a year ago

London.

I think the cowards will get away with it.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

The muslim community needs root of those that espouse violence or any form of Jihad.

Turn them over to the police and security services.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is facism, with an Islamic face.

All moderate Muslims in the UK and the world over should be shouting from the rooftops 'not in my name'!"

Moderate Muslims must surely find a way of doing more.

All non Muslim's should also not accept that these murdering extremists represent Islam.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

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By *iscomanMan
over a year ago

Solihull

How long b4 those bastards attac us

It is not religion that sanctions this

They hide behind religion,

SCUMBAGS ALL OF THEM

Hope the police them in cold blood

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I see it like football hoolies.

They have nothing to do with football even though its in the name.

These fucking mongs have nothing to do with Islam or religion. They just attach themselves to the name.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Tragic. I hope these extremists are caught and brought to justice. "

this..

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"How long b4 those bastards attac us

It is not religion that sanctions this

They hide behind religion,

SCUMBAGS ALL OF THEM

Hope the police them in cold blood"

All of them????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The muslim community needs root of those that espouse violence or any form of Jihad.

Turn them over to the police and security services."

And the chances of this happening are........?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The muslim community needs root of those that espouse violence or any form of Jihad.

Turn them over to the police and security services.

And the chances of this happening are........?"

They aren't part of the everday Muslim community just as serial killers aren't everyday people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is not religion that sanctions this

They hide behind religion,

I completely agree with this part of your post.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"The muslim community needs root of those that espouse violence or any form of Jihad.

Turn them over to the police and security services.

And the chances of this happening are........?

They aren't part of the everday Muslim community just as serial killers aren't everyday people."

Not so, they're not completely separate . At some stage they will have been in mainstream mosques, if they're not currently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The muslim community needs root of those that espouse violence or any form of Jihad.

Turn them over to the police and security services.

And the chances of this happening are........?"

It is happening. Parents have informed on their children.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The muslim community needs root of those that espouse violence or any form of Jihad.

Turn them over to the police and security services.

And the chances of this happening are........?"

its happened over her already, not sure on the numbers etc..

agree that more needs to be done to prevent people becoming radicalised where such action are deemed acceptable..

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"The muslim community needs root of those that espouse violence or any form of Jihad.

Turn them over to the police and security services.

And the chances of this happening are........?

It is happening. Parents have informed on their children. "

Think back to early DEC with that court case in the uk.

A few lads returned from Syria thinking 'Oh shit, this isnt what we thought' the parents shipped them to the police, taken to court, 8 years. The parents of one said 'they wished they kept their mouths shut'.

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

Need to know basis

I've been following this assidiously for many personal reasons. One very important one being...is my relative alive!!! Still waiting to hear!!

Amongst the people I talked to one young person said....this madness will not end in my lifetime....

I am saddened to know this

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The muslim community needs root of those that espouse violence or any form of Jihad.

Turn them over to the police and security services.

And the chances of this happening are........?

They aren't part of the everyday Muslim community just as serial killers aren't everyday people.

Not so, they're not completely separate . At some stage they will have been in mainstream mosques, if they're not currently."

which if they're intent on hiding their extremist beliefs means they will just be one of the congregation..

like sitting on a packed tube train and looking at the other normal folks and trying to suss which one is abusing their child or something..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The muslim community needs root of those that espouse violence or any form of Jihad.

Turn them over to the police and security services.

And the chances of this happening are........?

They aren't part of the everday Muslim community just as serial killers aren't everyday people.

Not so, they're not completely separate . At some stage they will have been in mainstream mosques, if they're not currently."

Just as burglars,conmen,kilkers,rapists went to schools in your area....people don't "grass" them ? Those who have knowledge of them condone the actions and they are the minority.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is not religion that sanctions this

They hide behind religion,

I completely agree with this part of your post."
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Yes but do you not think Muslims must look at Islam and wonder why there attracting so many crazy twats?...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I see it like football hoolies.

They have nothing to do with football even though its in the name.

These fucking mongs have nothing to do with Islam or religion. They just attach themselves to the name."

A good analogy.

The problem with extremists is that they believe that their _iew on whatever they follow is valid.

It is not until the actual validity of their _iew is questioned and then dismantled by more moderate versions of their own beliefs that extremism is conquered.

If a complete outsider tries to do it, it is seen as an attack on their whole belief system. It can perversely have the opposite effect by driving moderates towards extremism.

Moderates hold the key to dismantling the validity that is the core for these extremists to justify their criminal acts.

Moderates are proactively trying, but they must do more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is not religion that sanctions this

They hide behind religion,

I completely agree with this part of your post..

Yes but do you not think Muslims must look at Islam and wonder why there attracting so many crazy twats?..."

Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Barbaric cowardly attack on freedom of speech..."

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"I've been following this assidiously for many personal reasons. One very important one being...is my relative alive!!! Still waiting to hear!!

Amongst the people I talked to one young person said....this madness will not end in my lifetime....

I am saddened to know this"

Bambi, my thoughts are with you I hope you hear good news of your relative. x

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Dreadful business

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes but do you not think Muslims must look at Islam and wonder why there attracting so many crazy twats?..."

The American abortion physician George Tiller, who performed late-term abortions, was murdered by Scott Roeder. Tiller was shot dead during a Sunday morning service at his church where he was serving as an usher. Roeder, a Christian extremist, went on to fully admit this atrocity.

Do you think Christians must look at Christianity and wonder why their attracting so many crazy people?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.

I don't think any religion, organisation or belief has a monopoly on causing nastiness.

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By *awty MaxWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"I've been following this assidiously for many personal reasons. One very important one being...is my relative alive!!! Still waiting to hear!!

Amongst the people I talked to one young person said....this madness will not end in my lifetime....

I am saddened to know this"

Bon courage Bambi, j'espere que tu auras vite de bonnes nouvelles.

C'est une triste affaire x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes but do you not think Muslims must look at Islam and wonder why there attracting so many crazy twats?...

Do you think Christians must look at Christianity and wonder why their attracting so many crazy people?"
.Your obviously correct all religions attract nutters(personally I see their attraction).... But there's no getting away from the fact that Islam seems to attract the vast majority of extremists.. Just wondered why you thought they were attracted to such a peaceful religion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes but do you not think Muslims must look at Islam and wonder why there attracting so many crazy twats?...

Do you think Christians must look at Christianity and wonder why their attracting so many crazy people?"

Very rare compared to muslims though isn't it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes but do you not think Muslims must look at Islam and wonder why there attracting so many crazy twats?...

Do you think Christians must look at Christianity and wonder why their attracting so many crazy people?.Your obviously correct all religions attract nutters(personally I see their attraction).... But there's no getting away from the fact that Islam seems to attract the vast majority of extremists.. Just wondered why you thought they were attracted to such a peaceful religion."

Yes it does make you wonder doesn't it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.

I don't think any religion, organisation or belief has a monopoly on causing nastiness. "

Depends what you mean by nastiness though doesn't it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Remember that Christians were just as bad in the 16th century

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.

Buddhist monks have reportedly been murdering Muslims in Myanmar.

Buddhist mobs have been murdering muslims in sectarian attacks in Burma.

Open your eyes. The problem is extremists not Islam, Christianity, Buddhists or any other religion.

Religions just provide extremists with an excuse.

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By *adgodCouple
over a year ago

Greensburg

Extremism sucks in all forms, regardless of its origins or rationale. Tragic and sad. Like hate and lack of compassion.

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By *adgodCouple
over a year ago

Greensburg

Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.

Buddhist monks have reportedly been murdering Muslims in Myanmar.

Buddhist mobs have been murdering muslims in sectarian attacks in Burma.

Open your eyes. The problem is extremists not Islam, Christianity, Buddhists or any other religion.

Religions just provide extremists with an excuse."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.

Buddhist monks have reportedly been murdering Muslims in Myanmar.

Buddhist mobs have been murdering muslims in sectarian attacks in Burma.

Open your eyes. The problem is extremists not Islam, Christianity, Buddhists or any other religion.

Religions just provide extremists with an excuse."

And why do you think they have been murdering muslims.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bambi, my thoughts are with you I hope you hear good news of your relative. x"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Remember that Christians were just as bad in the 16th century"

Oh that makes it all right then.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Remember that Christians were just as bad in the 16th century"

....... and the old testament isn't really a book of "sweetness and light"..... its actually rather vengeful....

so as blackspice says, every religion has its nuts that take it beyond the pale....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Remember that Christians were just as bad in the 16th century"

And the Romans were real fuckers 2000 years ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Remember that Christians were just as bad in the 16th century

....... and the old testament isn't really a book of "sweetness and light"..... its actually rather vengeful....

so as blackspice says, every religion has its nuts that take it beyond the pale...."
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Oh exactly which religion uses the old testament these days again!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Remember that Christians were just as bad in the 16th century

And the Romans were real fuckers 2000 years ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Remember that Christians were just as bad in the 16th century

....... and the old testament isn't really a book of "sweetness and light"..... its actually rather vengeful....

so as blackspice says, every religion has its nuts that take it beyond the pale.....

Oh exactly which religion uses the old testament these days again!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive just seen on liveleak the uncensored video clip where they execute a police officer lying injured in the street.

absolute scum I hope they die an extremely slow and painful death

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course it doesn't

You gotta remember that moslems, Christians and Jews all have the same God.... And all prone to crazy violence in the name of this God

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.

Buddhist monks have reportedly been murdering Muslims in Myanmar.

Buddhist mobs have been murdering muslims in sectarian attacks in Burma.

Open your eyes. The problem is extremists not Islam, Christianity, Buddhists or any other religion.

Religions just provide extremists with an excuse.

And why do you think they have been murdering muslims.

The struggling economy leading to some looking for scapegoats, racism and that some Buddhists see Rohingya Muslims as being illegal immigrants.

Just some of the reasons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.

Buddhist monks have reportedly been murdering Muslims in Myanmar.

Buddhist mobs have been murdering muslims in sectarian attacks in Burma.

Open your eyes. The problem is extremists not Islam, Christianity, Buddhists or any other religion.

Religions just provide extremists with an excuse."
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The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get stuck in that rut and fail to see the facts in front of you (I've been there myself).

No other religion attracts the volume of extremists willing to go to any lengths like Islam does.

It's a fundamentally trouble one dating back longer than Christianity without there modernists revisions... It has the chinks that extremists love to get their finger nails into and pull!.

The Qur'an needs a re-right just like the old testament had to.

Until Islam examines itself and lays to bed some fundamental prejudices of their own we will be here slagging them off/apologising (depending on your personal tendencies) forever.

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By *ratty_Damsel OP Woman
over a year ago

London.

Don't mix murderers with religion however farcical ALL the religions are.

ALL religions are a total joke to control the masses and ALL religions have and still use this method as a way to keep a grip of control.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.

Buddhist monks have reportedly been murdering Muslims in Myanmar.

Buddhist mobs have been murdering muslims in sectarian attacks in Burma.

Open your eyes. The problem is extremists not Islam, Christianity, Buddhists or any other religion.

Religions just provide extremists with an excuse..

The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get stuck in that rut and fail to see the facts in front of you (I've been there myself).

No other religion attracts the volume of extremists willing to go to any lengths like Islam does.

It's a fundamentally trouble one dating back longer than Christianity without there modernists revisions... It has the chinks that extremists love to get their finger nails into and pull!.

The Qur'an needs a re-right just like the old testament had to.

Until Islam examines itself and lays to bed some fundamental prejudices of their own we will be here slagging them off/apologising (depending on your personal tendencies) forever."

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By *roy9Man
over a year ago

London

This outrage is really an attack on us all. For all of us on Fab, don't think our freedoms to live as we see fit are not under threat, (ok maybe somewhere down the line) if we allow the erosion of free speech.

We should all buy the next copy of Charlie Hebdo, if there is one, and I really hope there is, even if we don't speak French!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This outrage is really an attack on us all. For all of us on Fab, don't think our freedoms to live as we see fit are not under threat, (ok maybe somewhere down the line) if we allow the erosion of free speech.

We should all buy the next copy of Charlie Hebdo, if there is one, and I really hope there is, even if we don't speak French!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Enoch Powell, it's no consolation to you now, but you were correct all along. Just shit timing i suppose.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We should all buy the next copy of Charlie Hebdo, if there is one, and I really hope there is, even if we don't speak French!"
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Altogether now.

The prophet Mohammed is a tit!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I prefer, sadly, the Prophet Dylan (Bob).

"There are any here amongst us."

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

" Ive just seen on liveleak the uncensored video clip where they execute a police officer lying injured in the street.

absolute scum I hope they die an extremely slow and painful death"

The dirty fucking bastards, didnt even think twice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.

Buddhist monks have reportedly been murdering Muslims in Myanmar.

Buddhist mobs have been murdering muslims in sectarian attacks in Burma.

Open your eyes. The problem is extremists not Islam, Christianity, Buddhists or any other religion.

Religions just provide extremists with an excuse."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get..... "

Sexy-bum, please explain this statement if you in any way are referring to me. You've written it in response to one of my posts.

On face value I find it offensive.

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By *layfull pairingCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

the french far right parties are already popular in many regions ....just watch their popularity rise even more now .... U gotta feel for the normal muslims who merely want to live a decent life in france, minding their own business.... Seems to me these nutjobs hurt their own people in the name of their own religion.... I just dont get it....maybe im just a bit thick....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your obviously correct all religions attract nutters(personally I see their attraction).... But there's no getting away from the fact that Islam seems to attract the vast majority of extremists.. Just wondered why you thought they were attracted to such a peaceful religion."

"Gott Mit Uns" means God With Us and was on Nazi soldiers belt buckles in WW2. Most members of the German Nazis Party were Christian. There were loads of them and they were linked to 'such a peaceful religion'.

People with extreme ideology use religion as an excuse, tragically it's always been the way.

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By *roy9Man
over a year ago

London

" the french far right parties are already popular in many regions ....just watch their popularity rise even more now .... U gotta feel for the normal muslims who merely want to live a decent life in france, minding their own business.... Seems to me these nutjobs hurt their own people in the name of their own religion.... I just dont get it....maybe im just a bit thick....

The Moderate Muslims are the first victims of what is after all really a Muslim civil war

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you think Christians must look at Christianity and wonder why their attracting so many crazy people?

Very rare compared to muslims though isn't it.

President George Bush, a born again Christian, said that God had told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

How do you think Muslims feel when they hear a Christian World leader saying things like that?

Do you have any idea of how many Muslims have died as a result of his decision?

Attacking, invading or killing in the name of one's 'God' is not unique to Islam.

We must isolate the extremists not the religion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.

Buddhist monks have reportedly been murdering Muslims in Myanmar.

Buddhist mobs have been murdering muslims in sectarian attacks in Burma.

Open your eyes. The problem is extremists not Islam, Christianity, Buddhists or any other religion.

Religions just provide extremists with an excuse."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree completely

The tragedy is that God/Allah does not exist and is just a product of humankind's imagination

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By *ratty_Damsel OP Woman
over a year ago

London.

"Agree completely

The tragedy is that God/Allah does not exist and is just a product of humankind's imagination"

For social control....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely.... Do this cos God is watching and, if you don't, I will cut off your balls

Amazing, humans can't see through the con

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By *ibbyhunterCouple
over a year ago

keighley

don't think the french will be as tolerant and forgiving as the brits , there could be reprisals

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Agree completely

The tragedy is that God/Allah does not exist and is just a product of humankind's imagination

For social control...."

Some folk are easily led .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The West has stirred up a hell of a hornets' nest by the actions taken post 9/11. Sadly we continue to see the effects to this day.

It is unclear where the madness will end.

Are we locked into a Christian v Muslim war? Nostradamus predicted such. A 27 year war, culminating in nuclear armageddon. I could never believe it possible. Since 9/11 though, I can see it growing an ever more real possibility

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By *adgodCouple
over a year ago

Greensburg

People with extreme ideology use religion as an excuse, tragically it's always been the way."

Well said. We couldn't agree more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everytime I hear about one of these horrific attacks, a little piece of my heart dies.

I despair for the future of humanity.

Rip

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Very sad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get.....

Sexy-bum, please explain this statement if you in any way are referring to me. You've written it in response to one of my posts.

On face value I find it offensive.

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Simple your stand against Islam extremism is always to apologise for the tiny minority and to always and rightly point out that it's not the majority of Muslims, it's a noble stance against the voices of the right wing that would take us down a dark path. But at the same time it just stops you seeing the facts for what they are.

without being racist or prejudiced Islam needs to confront it's own prejudices it's own attitude to women, children, marriages the little whiffs of bigotry that let the extremism take hold, the simple fact is Islam is generating an exorbitant amount of extremists, way more than other religions and this stems from its own lack of moving with the times.

So it's either sheer bad luck Islam attracts nut jobs or its generating them, either way it's intolerable and something has to change.

It was in no way meant to offend you. But if it does it does!

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over a year ago

The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get.....

Sexy-bum, please explain this statement if you in any way are referring to me. You've written it in response to one of my posts.

On face value I find it offensive.

So it's either sheer bad luck Islam attracts nut jobs or its generating them, either way it's intolerable and something has to change.

It was in no way meant to offend you. But if it does it does!

Very well put.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Considering the actions of certain states of the West in the Middle East during the last 15 years or so, I don't think it is any surprise that some Muslims have become radicalised.

Perhaps if the boot had been on the other foot and the West had been turned upside down, losing family members and friends, then the reaction of some would also have been violent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Je Suis Charlie........

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over a year ago

"Je Suis Charlie........"

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get.....

Sexy-bum, please explain this statement if you in any way are referring to me. You've written it in response to one of my posts.

On face value I find it offensive.

So it's either sheer bad luck Islam attracts nut jobs or its generating them, either way it's intolerable and something has to change.

It was in no way meant to offend you. But if it does it does!

in all the debates on here i have never seen anyone apologise for any extremist whenever an atrocity is carried out..

despite ones perspective on what the answers are to such issue's the common thing is everyone has consistently condemned such things..

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By *awty MaxWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

From my French news:

10.000 people in Lyon and 5.000 in Paris are in the streets tonight to show their respect to the victims.

They still have not caught the attackers

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By *coutin4girlzMan
over a year ago

Moo-Moo land :-)

"Considering the actions of certain states of the West in the Middle East during the last 15 years or so, I don't think it is any surprise that some Muslims have become radicalised.

Perhaps if the boot had been on the other foot and the West had been turned upside down, losing family members and friends, then the reaction of some would also have been violent."
They got no problem at all killing their own women n children tho n led to a pit by your own father n family coz you was deemed to have looked at a man in the 'wrong' way n being stoned to death n I woukdn't fancy being in your shoes either if you was to visit some of the muslim states that we are friends with let alone the ones we aren't lol its not compatible with our own free western society,simple as n I blame the politicians for allowing Europe to be invaded by the followers of such a backward,barbaric religion n thats not being racist just stating the facts the way I and many other people are forced to see and endure it...

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over a year ago

"Considering the actions of certain states of the West in the Middle East during the last 15 years or so, I don't think it is any surprise that some Muslims have become radicalised.

Perhaps if the boot had been on the other foot and the West had been turned upside down, losing family members and friends, then the reaction of some would also have been violent. They got no problem at all killing their own women n children tho n led to a pit by your own father n family coz you was deemed to have looked at a man in the 'wrong' way n being stoned to death n I woukdn't fancy being in your shoes either if you was to visit some of the muslim states that we are friends with let alone the ones we aren't lol its not compatible with our own free western society,simple as n I blame the politicians for allowing Europe to be invaded by the followers of such a backward,barbaric religion n thats not being racist just stating the facts the way I and many other people are forced to see and endure it...

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"Considering the actions of certain states of the West in the Middle East during the last 15 years or so, I don't think it is any surprise that some Muslims have become radicalised.

Perhaps if the boot had been on the other foot and the West had been turned upside down, losing family members and friends, then the reaction of some would also have been violent."

Oh here we go. Regardless of the actions of the 'West' in the 'Middle East' there are a significant number of Muslims that want a world wide Islamic State - a Caliphate. Some even want Sharia Law here.

The values of the west is what they [the gunmen] hate'. To put it in a phrase, it's not what Western liberals don't like and can't defend about their own system, but what they do like about it and must defend: its emancipated women, its scientific inquiry, its separation of religion from the state. Loose talk about chickens coming home to roost is garbage.

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over a year ago

"Considering the actions of certain states of the West in the Middle East during the last 15 years or so, I don't think it is any surprise that some Muslims have become radicalised.

Perhaps if the boot had been on the other foot and the West had been turned upside down, losing family members and friends, then the reaction of some would also have been violent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Je Suis Charlie........"

Je suis Charlie.

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By *adgodCouple
over a year ago

Greensburg

"Considering the actions of certain states of the West in the Middle East during the last 15 years or so, I don't think it is any surprise that some Muslims have become radicalised.

Perhaps if the boot had been on the other foot and the West had been turned upside down, losing family members and friends, then the reaction of some would also have been violent.

The fact that you later refer to Muslims as "the gunmen" says it all. Small mindedness and prejudice are where these ideas come from. Extremists represent nothing but extremism. It doesnt matter what religion or part of the world they hail from, and they are present in every faith, political party and nation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Considering the actions of certain states of the West in the Middle East during the last 15 years or so, I don't think it is any surprise that some Muslims have become radicalised.

Perhaps if the boot had been on the other foot and the West had been turned upside down, losing family members and friends, then the reaction of some would also have been violent.

That's great but solves fuck all.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

so sad that this sort of thing happens no matter what the reason they have no respect for human life

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Je Suis Charlie........

Je suis Charlie."

Je suis Charlie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Considering the actions of certain states of the West in the Middle East during the last 15 years or so, I don't think it is any surprise that some Muslims have become radicalised.

Perhaps if the boot had been on the other foot and the West had been turned upside down, losing family members and friends, then the reaction of some would also have been violent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get.....

Sexy-bum, please explain this statement if you in any way are referring to me. You've written it in response to one of my posts.

On face value I find it offensive.

So it's either sheer bad luck Islam attracts nut jobs or its generating them, either way it's intolerable and something has to change.

It was in no way meant to offend you. But if it does it does!

I have NEVER apologised for any minority of Islam extremists, I have ALWAYS completely condemned them. To state or suggest otherwise is a lie.

I have NEVER been an apologist for the right wing. To suggest or state otherwise is a lie.

You either lack the intelligence to comprehend and counter with reasoned debate what has been clearly written or you are choosing to mislead.

It may be the former but I suspect it to be the latter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you think Christians must look at Christianity and wonder why their attracting so many crazy people?

Very rare compared to muslims though isn't it.

President George Bush, a born again Christian, said that God had told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

How do you think Muslims feel when they hear a Christian World leader saying things like that?

Do you have any idea of how many Muslims have died as a result of his decision?

Attacking, invading or killing in the name of one's 'God' is not unique to Islam.

We must isolate the extremists not the religion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

in all the debates on here i have never seen anyone apologise for any extremist whenever an atrocity is carried out..

despite ones perspective on what the answers are to such issue's the common thing is everyone has consistently condemned such things.."

Clearly some actually have the ability to read what is said and retain the facts of what is said.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Je Suis Charlie........

Je suis Charlie.

Je suis Charlie"

Je Suis Charlie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Speaking French and watching French TV just now the voice from the police carries the undertone ~we will find and resolve the problem~ - Having lived in France, Switzerland and Germany to kill a police officer means you just signed your own death warrant...

These guys are misusing a religion to murder and oppress majorities (including their own) and call it in Name of God....

This gives now Mde Le Pen the Presidency of France on a golden plate and will mean for many, many French citizens with foreign roots a hard and stressful time in future...

Je suis Charlie !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get.....

Sexy-bum, please explain this statement if you in any way are referring to me. You've written it in response to one of my posts.

On face value I find it offensive.

So it's either sheer bad luck Islam attracts nut jobs or its generating them, either way it's intolerable and something has to change.

It was in no way meant to offend you. But if it does it does!

I have NEVER apologised for any minority of Islam extremists, I have ALWAYS completely condemned them. To state or suggest otherwise is a lie.

I have NEVER been an apologist for the right wing. To suggest or state otherwise is a lie.

You either lack the intelligence to comprehend and counter with reasoned debate what has been clearly written or you are choosing to mislead.

It may be the former but I suspect it to be the latter.

"
..As they say whatever!.

I've asked you three times why it is that Islam attracts the vast amount of extremists but you never seem to want to answer but merely to apologise for the vast majority of non extremist Muslims.

I don't want an apology I want an explanation on why Islam produces so many fundamental nutjobs, don't comeback with the right wing Christian burning down an abortion clinic in Missouri or some African Christian dictator. There are nutjob Christians we all know that but right now at this moment nobody in Paris is feared for going for an abortion, there feared for writing about freedoms we've had for a few hundred years, Muslims in Syria are feared for being genocidaly wiped from the earth, journalists in Iraq and Egypt are feared for years of internment or beheadings and it's no good saying there not Muslims or islamists because they are.. They run into buildings shouting Allah Akbar, they want an Islamic state, they want sharia law.... Islam is turning out alot of right whackos who are murdering people over free speech, cartoons and blasphemy and I want to know why and how we best fix it because I don't want to be having this argument when they've nuked London.

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow

I hope the French bring back the gulleoutine for these bastards....

Everyone has a freedom os speech

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It has nothing to do with Islam, the religion. It is the outgrowth of a radical militant political anti-American anti-Isreal movement that started in the 70's as a reaction against the occupation of Palestine by Isreal and America (the Isreali military is basically a wing of the American military) and as a reaction to the frustration of trying to liberate the people of the middle east from dictators who were put in place by CIA backed coups and kept in place by western funding. At least that's my understanding of it.

The bible is at least as bloody, immoral, and war mongering as the koran imo

"Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, who had come from service in the war. And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, spare for yourselves" Numbers 31:15 - 19

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get.....

Sexy-bum, please explain this statement if you in any way are referring to me. You've written it in response to one of my posts.

On face value I find it offensive.

So it's either sheer bad luck Islam attracts nut jobs or its generating them, either way it's intolerable and something has to change.

It was in no way meant to offend you. But if it does it does!

I have NEVER apologised for any minority of Islam extremists, I have ALWAYS completely condemned them. To state or suggest otherwise is a lie.

I have NEVER been an apologist for the right wing. To suggest or state otherwise is a lie.

You either lack the intelligence to comprehend and counter with reasoned debate what has been clearly written or you are choosing to mislead.

It may be the former but I suspect it to be the latter.

..As they say whatever!.

I've asked you three times why it is that Islam attracts the vast amount of extremists but you never seem to want to answer but merely to apologise for the vast majority of non extremist Muslims.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I AM CHARLIE

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I hope the French bring back the gulleoutine for these bastards....

Everyone has a freedom os speech "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just down in Trafalgar square with my muslim french friend ... rest assure that they value their freedom of speech and that they are going to stand for it ...

The great Iman of Mosquee Paris is already talking like he has never ..

The power of writting and drawing and expressing ourself is not going to be put down by some minorities incult ...

The team of Charly Hebdo ... knew it ... their cartoons were always raising discussion and debate .

They have become today martyr of our freedom .... RIP , Cabus , Wollinsky and all their friend...

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

Following the tragic events in Paris today, I feel compelled to provide a few thoughts.

The free expression of what we believe in or what we feel is central to any civilised society. To attack any opinion verbally either with argument or with satire is and must remain a central tenet of a free society. However, to react to that criticism with an act of savage violence is an attack on all of our freedoms, both as civilised human beings and as western Europeans. We do not ask for violence for our thoughts. We do not deserve violence for our society’s _iews. It is easy to hide behind the barriers of what we consider our national borders. Such evil does not recognise borders, nor can our borders hold back such evil. We therefore must share the grief and the responsibility to defend ourselves with our European partners.

My thoughts and prayers are with those who have died, their families and the injured.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Je suis Charlie.

I think we can all agree that what happened in Paris today is inexcusable

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over a year ago

I have NEVER apologised for any minority of Islam extremists, I have ALWAYS completely condemned them. To state or suggest otherwise is a lie.

I have NEVER been an apologist for the right wing. To suggest or state otherwise is a lie.

You either lack the intelligence to comprehend and counter with reasoned debate what has been clearly written or you are choosing to mislead.

It may be the former but I suspect it to be the latter.

..As they say whatever!.

I've asked you three times why it is that Islam attracts the vast amount of extremists but you never seem to want to answer but merely to apologise for the vast majority of non extremist Muslims.

First you suggest I'm an apologist for the right wing then for Islamic extremists and now for islam.

Let me spell it out to you.

The main difference between me and you is that you want to blame the whole of Islam whereas I want to blame the extremists.

Islam is made up of over 1.5 billion people. ISIS doesn't have enough extremists fighters to fill your average premier league football stadium!

I grew up Christian and would probably describe myself if pushed as agnostic. I have never had any links to Islam.

Logic and reason are enough for me to understand that a very small number of people (relatively) with extreme _iews who happen to be Muslim do not represent 1.5 Billion mainly happy normal peace loving individuals who just want to raise their kids in a safe world.

If you're argument has merit why aren't all 1.5 Billion radicalised?

Maybe it's a little more complex than 'let's blame the Koran'.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Je Suis Charlie........

Je suis Charlie.

Je suis Charlie

Je Suis Charlie"

Je Suis Charlie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Je Suis Charlie........

Je suis Charlie.

Je suis Charlie

Je Suis Charlie

Je Suis Charlie"

Moi je suis Charlie nous tous somme Charlie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem lies with the God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Mohamed etc

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get.....

Sexy-bum, please explain this statement if you in any way are referring to me. You've written it in response to one of my posts.

On face value I find it offensive.

So it's either sheer bad luck Islam attracts nut jobs or its generating them, either way it's intolerable and something has to change.

It was in no way meant to offend you. But if it does it does!

I have NEVER apologised for any minority of Islam extremists, I have ALWAYS completely condemned them. To state or suggest otherwise is a lie.

I have NEVER been an apologist for the right wing. To suggest or state otherwise is a lie.

You either lack the intelligence to comprehend and counter with reasoned debate what has been clearly written or you are choosing to mislead.

It may be the former but I suspect it to be the latter.

..As they say whatever!.

I've asked you three times why it is that Islam attracts the vast amount of extremists but you never seem to want to answer but merely to apologise for the vast majority of non extremist Muslims.

Fair point.

Of course Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, and lots of other religions have a few nutters, but these days Islam seems to have the monopoly on world class nutters.

Islamic nutters now hold the world records and gold medals for crashing planes into buildings, shooting teenage girls, kidnapping teenage girls, blowing up trains, blowing up buses, beheadings, crucifixions, butchering schoolkids, and now seem to be moving on into such team events as taking over countries and the genocide of all opposing religions.

They also have a brilliant propaganda machine stacked high with gullible brainless liberals who will try to justify everything they do in the name of diversity and because the western powers bumped off a handfull of their nutters in chief.

It's time to wake up and smell the coffee. There are hundreds of thousands of active nutters in the world and for every active nutter there are ten passive nutters, and many of them are among us. SCARY!!!!!

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By *exyFrenchVixenWoman
over a year ago

South East

A sad day indeed....

Je suis Charlie.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

scary is people who think that the way to deal with such extremists is to burn down mosque's..

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over a year ago

I have NEVER apologised for any minority of Islam extremists, I have ALWAYS completely condemned them. To state or suggest otherwise is a lie.

I have NEVER been an apologist for the right wing. To suggest or state otherwise is a lie.

You either lack the intelligence to comprehend and counter with reasoned debate what has been clearly written or you are choosing to mislead.

It may be the former but I suspect it to be the latter.

..As they say whatever!.

I've asked you three times why it is that Islam attracts the vast amount of extremists but you never seem to want to answer but merely to apologise for the vast majority of non extremist Muslims.

First you suggest I'm an apologist for the right wing then for Islamic extremists and now for islam.

Let me spell it out to you.

The main difference between me and you is that you want to blame the whole of Islam whereas I want to blame the extremists.

Islam is made up of over 1.5 billion people. ISIS doesn't have enough extremists fighters to fill your average premier league football stadium!

I grew up Christian and would probably describe myself if pushed as agnostic. I have never had any links to Islam.

If you're argument has merit why aren't all 1.5 Billion radicalised?

Maybe it's a little more complex than 'let's blame the Koran'.

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over a year ago

"scary is people who think that the way to deal with such extremists is to burn down mosque's..

Extremism breeds extremism. Moderates need to break that cycle.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

I have NEVER apologised for any minority of Islam extremists, I have ALWAYS completely condemned them. To state or suggest otherwise is a lie.

I have NEVER been an apologist for the right wing. To suggest or state otherwise is a lie.

You either lack the intelligence to comprehend and counter with reasoned debate what has been clearly written or you are choosing to mislead.

It may be the former but I suspect it to be the latter.

..As they say whatever!.

I've asked you three times why it is that Islam attracts the vast amount of extremists but you never seem to want to answer but merely to apologise for the vast majority of non extremist Muslims.

First you suggest I'm an apologist for the right wing then for Islamic extremists and now for islam.

Let me spell it out to you.

The main difference between me and you is that you want to blame the whole of Islam whereas I want to blame the extremists.

Islam is made up of over 1.5 billion people. ISIS doesn't have enough extremists fighters to fill your average premier league football stadium!

I grew up Christian and would probably describe myself if pushed as agnostic. I have never had any links to Islam.

If you're argument has merit why aren't all 1.5 Billion radicalised?

Maybe it's a little more complex than 'let's blame the Koran'.

You always appear to respond with a measured, considered, appropriate and correct response. We agree, the world is a very big place and people of Muslim faith make up a sizeable chunk of the worlds population. The extremists are a tiny minority but a minority that achieve maximum publicity.

The radicalisation of this tiny minority of nut cases needs to be tackled carefully because an all out attack on everything Islam will only benefit the extremists whose very cause is to create division.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Fair point, but this is a great opportunity for the Muslim community to stand up and nail their colours to the mast.

Say 'not in our name' and that they will root out these individuals.

Interestingly, on Sky news just now, following on from the Danish cartoon incident where the prophet was depicted pictorially a survey of British Muslims found that 65% of them felt that it should be a criminal offence to 'insult' Islam or the Prophet.

Is there an elephant in the room?

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

Someone is funding these scum-bags. One doesn't pick up assault rifles and rocket launchers in the Pound Shop

So for every one of these Muslim terrorist, there must be a hundred, or even a thousand Muslims funding. I can't see non-Muslims donating to their 'cause'

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Fair point, but this is a great opportunity for the Muslim community to stand up and nail their colours to the mast.

Say 'not in our name' and that they will root out these individuals.

Is there an elephant in the room?"

Ofcourse there is. The Israeli government would have sorted this out by now. They are not constrained by stupid Political Correctness

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By *hunderstarCouple
over a year ago

hereford

In December we went to The Gambia - third world African country ( no Ebola there ).

What I found was a country where they are 75% Muslim - 20% Christian and 5% "other"

What I found interesting is how that country all gets on together - black - white - bird watchers - all inclusive cheapie people - rich - poor etc - they all just get on with life. Together - peacefully.

To be honest - I learnt more about that religion from the locals - talking about Islam - seeing them pray - hearing the call to prayer - and learning that Allah ackbah is not "scary" or threatening - just simply - god is great.

What's happened today is the extrem end of their religious followers - bit like us Christians and the kkk.

If The Gambia can all get on together respectful of each others culture and beliefs - why can't we in "the first world"?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Islam do have more nutters than any other religions. Look at all African countries with Moslems, they don't have peace. Nigeria, Mali, Sudan, Somalia, Kenya, Central African Republic, Lybia etc. Islam is a devilish religion, that's how I see it.

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By *hunderstarCouple
over a year ago

hereford

"Islam do have more nutters than any other religions. Look at all African countries with Moslems, they don't have peace. Nigeria, Mali, Sudan, Somalia, Kenya, Central African Republic, Lybia etc. Islam is a devilish religion, that's how I see it. "

You may want to re look at some of them countries.

The Somalians have an issue with the Kenyans because they sent troops into Somalia - so have we by the way - that's "uoset" the Somalis so they retaliated by hitting the tourist areas thus hurting Kenya financially.

Kenyans are pretty good people and on the whole welcoming to "us".

I would also suggest lybria is friendly to "us" too but I'm not as sure of my footing there

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By *adgodCouple
over a year ago

Greensburg

I have NEVER apologised for any minority of Islam extremists, I have ALWAYS completely condemned them. To state or suggest otherwise is a lie.

I have NEVER been an apologist for the right wing. To suggest or state otherwise is a lie.

You either lack the intelligence to comprehend and counter with reasoned debate what has been clearly written or you are choosing to mislead.

It may be the former but I suspect it to be the latter.

..As they say whatever!.

I've asked you three times why it is that Islam attracts the vast amount of extremists but you never seem to want to answer but merely to apologise for the vast majority of non extremist Muslims.

First you suggest I'm an apologist for the right wing then for Islamic extremists and now for islam.

Let me spell it out to you.

The main difference between me and you is that you want to blame the whole of Islam whereas I want to blame the extremists.

Islam is made up of over 1.5 billion people. ISIS doesn't have enough extremists fighters to fill your average premier league football stadium!

I grew up Christian and would probably describe myself if pushed as agnostic. I have never had any links to Islam.

If you're argument has merit why aren't all 1.5 Billion radicalised?

Maybe it's a little more complex than 'let's blame the Koran'.

Perfectly sums up our _iew as well. Well said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The trouble with being an apologist for the right wing is you get.....

Sexy-bum, please explain this statement if you in any way are referring to me. You've written it in response to one of my posts.

On face value I find it offensive.

So it's either sheer bad luck Islam attracts nut jobs or its generating them, either way it's intolerable and something has to change.

It was in no way meant to offend you. But if it does it does!

I have NEVER apologised for any minority of Islam extremists, I have ALWAYS completely condemned them. To state or suggest otherwise is a lie.

I have NEVER been an apologist for the right wing. To suggest or state otherwise is a lie.

You either lack the intelligence to comprehend and counter with reasoned debate what has been clearly written or you are choosing to mislead.

It may be the former but I suspect it to be the latter.

..As they say whatever!.

I've asked you three times why it is that Islam attracts the vast amount of extremists but you never seem to want to answer but merely to apologise for the vast majority of non extremist Muslims.

Fair point.

Of course Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, and lots of other religions have a few nutters, but these days Islam seems to have the monopoly on world class nutters.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is facism, with an Islamic face.

All moderate Muslims in the UK and the world over should be shouting from the rooftops 'not in my name'!"

So will that mean ever time a non muslim did somthing you would say not in your name ?? Just asking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems a great way to take attention off the sex scandals of royals and war crimes of presidents and ex prime ministers , very professional killings stinks of CIA , also who ever let this so called anger invoking comic strips get published need there head read talk about playing into hands

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the French aren't as soft as we are in this country.they wont fuck about with human rights when they catch these offenders like we do,hopefuly it will be a bullet in the head for all of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tell that to the 100million native Americans wiped out was that Muslims ?

What about heroshima ablitaration was that Muslims too ?

Was poll pot a muslim ?

The list will go on and on

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"Seems a great way to take attention off the sex scandals of royals and war crimes of presidents and ex prime ministers , very professional killings stinks of CIA , also who ever let this so called anger invoking comic strips get published need there head read talk about playing into hands "

Well, it was only a matter of time before the conspiracy theorist pricks turned up!

Oh yes, re the second part of your drivel, shame on the French free press.

Idiot

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"This is facism, with an Islamic face.

All moderate Muslims in the UK and the world over should be shouting from the rooftops 'not in my name'!

So will that mean ever time a non muslim did somthing you would say not in your name ?? Just asking "

Um, I think you'll find that the killers motive was to 'avenge' the prophet. Therefore, the killings were in the name of Islam - there's the link.

What other crimes did you have in mind that I should say 'not in my name' for?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

R.I.P to those that lost their lives

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"Respect for religion has become code for fear of religion. Religions, like all other ideas, deserve criticism, satire, and yes, our fearless disrespect"

Salman Rushdie

Good speech I thought

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

There should be an International

Take the Piss out of Muslims Day.

They can't kill us all.

JE SUIS CHARLIE

Heard about two Muslims throwing bread into a toilet.

When asked why?

They replied

We're feeding the toilet duck.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Apparently most of the mainstream European press, especially the German and Italian press, has published the cartoons themselves as they were shown in the French satire paper.

What a great show of solidarity and shame on our press for not doing so.

Respect or fear?

Where are the protests for the killings from George Galloway? He's loud and vocal? And at times suspiciously absent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wish Dave Allen was still alive ! He'd take the mickey but at the same time he would still be doing it to all religions ! As the great man said : may Your god be with you : R I P the the people murderd yesterday .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently most of the mainstream European press, especially the German and Italian press, has published the cartoons themselves as they were shown in the French satire paper.

What a great show of solidarity and shame on our press for not doing so.

Respect or fear?

Where are the protests for the killings from George Galloway? He's loud and vocal? And at times suspiciously absent."

Agreed shameful display from our press , only to be expected though I guess , they have no spine these days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The BBC news has been displaying cartoons dedicated to the 12 people and a finger to the murderers.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"The muslim community needs root of those that espouse violence or any form of Jihad.

Turn them over to the police and security services.

And the chances of this happening are........?

They aren't part of the everday Muslim community just as serial killers aren't everyday people.

Not so, they're not completely separate . At some stage they will have been in mainstream mosques, if they're not currently."

Only in the same way some members of the IRA may have gone to Catholic churches. Didn't make all Catholics terrorists did it?

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By *eforfuncplCouple
over a year ago

Morecambe

Apparently 2 further police officers shot this morning and an explosion in eastern France !!! What's these crazy bastards thinking of ! Lunacy pure lunacy !!!

God look after those injured x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The muslim community needs root of those that espouse violence or any form of Jihad.

Turn them over to the police and security services.

And the chances of this happening are........?

They aren't part of the everday Muslim community just as serial killers aren't everyday people.

Not so, they're not completely separate . At some stage they will have been in mainstream mosques, if they're not currently.

Only in the same way some members of the IRA may have gone to Catholic churches. Didn't make all Catholics terrorists did it?"

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

It is not religion that sanctions this

They hide behind religion,

I completely agree with this part of your post..

Yes but do you not think Muslims must look at Islam and wonder why there attracting so many crazy twats?...

Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.

Christians have been know to do similar things as well. Before 9/11 the biggest terrorist attach in the US was the Oklahoma bombing. The guy who did that was Christian with strong links to extreme right wing fundamentalist Christian groups.

There are fundamentalist Hindu groups in India that repeatedly attack both Christians and Muslims.

There are even extreme atheist groups that call for the violent over through of all religions.

What all these groups have in common is that they are extremist and intolerant of other belief systems.

Fundamental extremism in any form is the real danger to peace and freadom

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Yes but do you not think Muslims must look at Islam and wonder why there attracting so many crazy twats?...

Do you think Christians must look at Christianity and wonder why their attracting so many crazy people?"

Good point well made

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

I do not blame Catholics for the IRA bombings.

I do not blame Protestants for the thugs lining the street, spitting at little girls to stop them going to school.

I do not blame Muslims for 9/11 et al.

I don't even believe the neo-con Zionist conspiracy, trying to whip up hatred.

I just believe there are nut-jobs in the world, and I thank God, Allah, Jehovah, Buddha, my lucky stars, and that one with all the arms, or whoever it may be, that Je suis libre de penser, libre d'aimer and libre de prendre le piss.

Mr ddc

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Ps, some years ago Private Eye published a cartoon involving a page 3 model and a burka. My sister, who converted to Islam many years ago, still thinks it is one of the funniest ones ever, but when I referenced it on the sister site.....

well, let's just say nous sommes not as libre as we like to make out

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Yes but do you not think Muslims must look at Islam and wonder why there attracting so many crazy twats?...

Do you think Christians must look at Christianity and wonder why their attracting so many crazy people?

Very rare compared to muslims though isn't it.

You clearly haven't spent much time in the US talking to some of the more radical extremist Christians there.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Yes and you don't get buhdists doing this sort of thing, its just muslims.

Buddhist monks have reportedly been murdering Muslims in Myanmar.

Buddhist mobs have been murdering muslims in sectarian attacks in Burma.

Open your eyes. The problem is extremists not Islam, Christianity, Buddhists or any other religion.

Religions just provide extremists with an excuse.

And why do you think they have been murdering muslims.

Does it matter why? Are you going to excuse it because some other Muslim has done some wrong somewhere else in the world. What kind of morality is that?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Remember that Christians were just as bad in the 16th century

....... and the old testament isn't really a book of "sweetness and light"..... its actually rather vengeful....

so as blackspice says, every religion has its nuts that take it beyond the pale.....

Oh exactly which religion uses the old testament these days again!

Judaism and Christianity. Muslims use the Koran.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

We should all buy the next copy of Charlie Hebdo, if there is one, and I really hope there is, even if we don't speak French!.

Altogether now.

The prophet Mohammed is a tit!"

Although I'm tempted to join you on this occasion to prove the point that free speech can not be killed by fear I'm not going to. I don't believe in belittling peoples beliefs, I've never done it in the past and I don't believe now is the time to start.

However I absolutely will defend YOUR right to say it.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

That's part of the plan. The more they can get normal people to be islamophobic the more isolated the Muslim community will feel and the more open they are to being influenced by extremist _iews.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"[Removed by poster at 08/01/15 09:36:36]"

I know, turbo boost, hence the relevance of my PS.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Considering the actions of certain states of the West in the Middle East during the last 15 years or so, I don't think it is any surprise that some Muslims have become radicalised.

Perhaps if the boot had been on the other foot and the West had been turned upside down, losing family members and friends, then the reaction of some would also have been violent."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I disagree with your conspiracy theory and find it equally distasteful to those who want to blame the whole of Islam.

Radical extremists are the problem here. They should not be helped by us validating their cause by blaming their wider religion or by blaming someone else.

The responsibility lies solely with these despicable individuals who are murderers.

The sooner everybody else isolates them, their backers and dismantles any validation that they feel they have from a cause the better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We should all buy the next copy of Charlie Hebdo, if there is one, and I really hope there is, even if we don't speak French!.

Altogether now.

The prophet Mohammed is a tit!

However I absolutely will defend YOUR right to say it."
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Good being offended is not like being beheaded with a penknife or shot with a Kalashnikov or burnt alive in your building after a planes been flown into it.

Timothy McVeigh certainly didn't blow up the Oklahoma building for god or Christianity he was against federal government, although he always denied it was him anyhow.

My point about the old and new testament was that the new one with all the revisions of it since that the CofE use certainly don't contain anything like the strangulating repressive language of the new or the Qur'an and it's just my opinion that when you look at the Qur'an and new testaments and see how it holds the Jews and the Muslims you can see where the extremism comes from and it isn't some cia fucking plot, it's plane old control of the masses and while they continue to push 3 times a day payer, kosher meat, burkas, non abortion, creationism and every other myth that must be followed absolutely to be a good "whatever" you will always have extremism and why you don't get CofE extremists decapitating journalists in the name of York minster!.

To keep denying the problem with the Qur'an and Islam and the new testament! and allow driving force of extremism will only end one way. And let's cut the bullshit with the ira it's main driving force was republicanism they had highly committed members to but they certainly didn't take the extremes of islamists with suicide missions and mass slaughter of children and at the end of the day there was a reasonable resolution with self determination that didn't involve returning the population back 700 years... Can you say the same for islamists!.

You keep up your non offending persona and see how far it gets you. Me I'll keep on offending as its not my God given right! but one given to me legally by mandate of the people.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Muslim Public Affairs Committee spokesperson Asghar Bukhari on Sly News now saying the cartoons should not be shown and although he doesn't support the murder of the journalists they shouldn't have shown the cartoon.

He says free speech, when it comes to Islam, should have limits.

Poll suggests majority of British Muslims think graphical detection of the prophet, and/or satire of Islam should be a criminal offence. Poll conducted after Danish cartoon fiasco so historic.

So yes, the gunmen are an extreme minority, however, there is a sliding scale or spectrum of sympathy or justification for what they did.

There should be a without conditions condemnation. We live in the west, here we have freedom of speech. If you don't like it there are countries where there isn't freedom of expression and moreover Sharia courts. If that is more compatible with your belief system up sticks and go. Good luck with no benefits system and no NHS though.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

We should all buy the next copy of Charlie Hebdo, if there is one, and I really hope there is, even if we don't speak French!.

Altogether now.

The prophet Mohammed is a tit!

However I absolutely will defend YOUR right to say it..

Good being offended is not like being beheaded with a penknife or shot with a Kalashnikov or burnt alive in your building after a planes been flown into it.

Timothy McVeigh certainly didn't blow up the Oklahoma building for god or Christianity he was against federal government, although he always denied it was him anyhow.

You keep up your non offending persona and see how far it gets you. Me I'll keep on offending as its not my God given right! but one given to me legally by mandate of the people.

I'm not here to argue today. I think all who believe in freedom and the right to free speech should speak as one today and say that this sort of action is unacceptable. Nothing more and nothing less is appropriate at this time. That's all I'm going to say.

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