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By *erbyDalesCpl OP Couple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Unless it involves teeth, eyes or any pills, obviously

So, in order to provide more funding, is it time to extend charging to another random part of the body?

How about toes? Do we really need 10 of them?

Mr ddc

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I have paid NI every week for 23 years and yet I still have to pay to see the dentist and Im on a stupid low wage.

Its a piss take. If I didnt pay NI I would get it for free.

We do however get our prescriptions for free over here

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

It is time for us all to be big girls and boys and pay a fee to see the GP or go into hospital A&E.

They do this in most civilised countries and it had not resulted in sudden onset civil mayhem.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

We do pay a fee. It's called National Insurance.

Many of us pay it even when we don't use the service.

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over a year ago

"It is time for us all to be big girls and boys and pay a fee to see the GP or go into hospital A&E.

They do this in most civilised countries and it had not resulted in sudden onset civil mayhem.

I've a medical issue which requires treatment two or three times a week. If I had to pay each time I saw a doctor, I'd be severely in debt. I don't see how it would help.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"It is time for us all to be big girls and boys and pay a fee to see the GP or go into hospital A&E.

They do this in most civilised countries and it had not resulted in sudden onset civil mayhem.

I've a medical issue which requires treatment two or three times a week. If I had to pay each time I saw a doctor, I'd be severely in debt. I don't see how it would help. "

It would help the ones who can afford to pay and bugger the rest of us, just like in the US.

After all, the poor are quite literally worthless and don't deserve treatment.

And we already pay!

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"We do pay a fee. It's called National Insurance.

Many of us pay it even when we don't use the service."

Unfortunately it is not ring and even if it was, it would not pay for the NHS. I think that in mist of the rest of Europe, health care contributions are ring fenced and there is a mandatory cost of access as well. This simply reflects the realities of the cost of modern healthcare.

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By *erbyDalesCpl OP Couple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"We do pay a fee. It's called National Insurance.

Many of us pay it even when we don't use the service."

No, NI is a tax, and if we were honest about that, and combined it with income tax, think of the savings that could be made in civil servants...

I meant new fees, we already have them for teeth, eyesight and pills, in addition to our taxes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is time for us all to be big girls and boys and pay a fee to see the GP or go into hospital A&E.

They do this in most civilised countries and it had not resulted in sudden onset civil mayhem.

I've a medical issue which requires treatment two or three times a week. If I had to pay each time I saw a doctor, I'd be severely in debt. I don't see how it would help.

It would help the ones who can afford to pay and bugger the rest of us, just like in the US.

After all, the poor are quite literally worthless and don't deserve treatment.

And we already pay!"

It just is so far removed from the initial NHS mission. It's unkind to reserve treatment for just the absurdly rich.

I'm not claiming poverty or anything, but for ongoing acute health problems it's just unreasonable to expect people to pay more. The NHS is meant to save lives, not pick and choose who deserves treatment.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"It is time for us all to be big girls and boys and pay a fee to see the GP or go into hospital A&E.

They do this in most civilised countries and it had not resulted in sudden onset civil mayhem.

I've a medical issue which requires treatment two or three times a week. If I had to pay each time I saw a doctor, I'd be severely in debt. I don't see how it would help.

It would help the ones who can afford to pay and bugger the rest of us, just like in the US.

After all, the poor are quite literally worthless and don't deserve treatment.

And we already pay!"

Like many others you are comparing one extreme ours, with another extreme in the USA. Why not compare to France or Germany?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"We do pay a fee. It's called National Insurance.

Many of us pay it even when we don't use the service.

No, NI is a tax, and if we were honest about that, and combined it with income tax, think of the savings that could be made in civil servants...

I meant new fees, we already have them for teeth, eyesight and pills, in addition to our taxes.

It seems to have become a tax, to pave the way for charging us but it didn't used to be and wasn't supposed to be.

The name is a clue.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"It is time for us all to be big girls and boys and pay a fee to see the GP or go into hospital A&E.

They do this in most civilised countries and it had not resulted in sudden onset civil mayhem.

I've a medical issue which requires treatment two or three times a week. If I had to pay each time I saw a doctor, I'd be severely in debt. I don't see how it would help.

It would help the ones who can afford to pay and bugger the rest of us, just like in the US.

After all, the poor are quite literally worthless and don't deserve treatment.

And we already pay!

Like many others you are comparing one extreme ours, with another extreme in the USA. Why not compare to France or Germany? "

Because it's a real risk that's what we'll end up with!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is time for us all to be big girls and boys and pay a fee to see the GP or go into hospital A&E.

They do this in most civilised countries and it had not resulted in sudden onset civil mayhem.

I've a medical issue which requires treatment two or three times a week. If I had to pay each time I saw a doctor, I'd be severely in debt. I don't see how it would help.

It would help the ones who can afford to pay and bugger the rest of us, just like in the US.

After all, the poor are quite literally worthless and don't deserve treatment.

And we already pay!

Like many others you are comparing one extreme ours, with another extreme in the USA. Why not compare to France or Germany? "

Hold on - you missed my point. Do you seriously expect me to pay each time I'm receiving treatment/see a doctor?

I contribute quite a large amount in tax as it is, in comparison to the general population, but I know I'd struggle if your idea was introduced. Why would you want to make life harder for people who are already ill?

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"It is time for us all to be big girls and boys and pay a fee to see the GP or go into hospital A&E.

They do this in most civilised countries and it had not resulted in sudden onset civil mayhem.

I've a medical issue which requires treatment two or three times a week. If I had to pay each time I saw a doctor, I'd be severely in debt. I don't see how it would help.

It would help the ones who can afford to pay and bugger the rest of us, just like in the US.

After all, the poor are quite literally worthless and don't deserve treatment.

And we already pay!

It just is so far removed from the initial NHS mission. It's unkind to reserve treatment for just the absurdly rich.

You are not wrong. But the world has changed considerably since the NHS mission was identified. Nothing can cope with the progression of time without change. The NHS has to cope with people living twenty more years and with paying for medical treatments that could never gave beeb envisaged. All of these things cost more and more money and successive governments gave not addressed the problem.

Labour, Conservative, Liberal, Green or UKIP - the NHS will not exist as we know it in ten years time because we are all living longer and healthcare is more and more expensive.

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By *erbyDalesCpl OP Couple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

It seems to have become a tax, to pave the way for charging us but it didn't used to be and wasn't supposed to be.

The name is a clue."

The name is a left-wing fallacy, because they were too dishonest to call it a tax.

If you don't pay for you car insurance, your car won't be mended. Regardless of whether or not you pay NI, the tax-payer will fund your treatment.

(Which is as it should be)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is time for us all to be big girls and boys and pay a fee to see the GP or go into hospital A&E.

They do this in most civilised countries and it had not resulted in sudden onset civil mayhem.

I've a medical issue which requires treatment two or three times a week. If I had to pay each time I saw a doctor, I'd be severely in debt. I don't see how it would help. "

I have a similar problem to you, i need to see my doctor frequently at times to monitor my health, if i have to pay each time i see the doc then i simply won't be able to afford it so wouldn't be checked and then would end up in a hospital ward wasting more NHS money and time !

I earn just above minimum wage but get no help at all in the form of benefits, i pay my own way for everything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unless it involves teeth, eyes or any pills, obviously

So, in order to provide more funding, is it time to extend charging to another random part of the body?

How about toes? Do we really need 10 of them?

Mr ddc"

Why not,

Sexual health should be charged for.

Some never use this service whilst others take the piss and use it monthly depending whether they have been gangbanged or not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is time for us all to be big girls and boys and pay a fee to see the GP or go into hospital A&E.

They do this in most civilised countries and it had not resulted in sudden onset civil mayhem.

I've a medical issue which requires treatment two or three times a week. If I had to pay each time I saw a doctor, I'd be severely in debt. I don't see how it would help.

It would help the ones who can afford to pay and bugger the rest of us, just like in the US.

After all, the poor are quite literally worthless and don't deserve treatment.

And we already pay!

It just is so far removed from the initial NHS mission. It's unkind to reserve treatment for just the absurdly rich.

Labour, Conservative, Liberal, Green or UKIP - the NHS will not exist as we know it in ten years time because we are all living longer and healthcare is more and more expensive."

I think you're looking at privatisation then, instead of enforcing double charges. However, even other countries provide free healthcare for acute illnesses so it's a little barbaric/draconian to suggest people pay each time or not receive care.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

if I had to pay and didn't have any spare I just wouldn't be able to go to see a gp

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"It is time for us all to be big girls and boys and pay a fee to see the GP or go into hospital A&E.

They do this in most civilised countries and it had not resulted in sudden onset civil mayhem.

I've a medical issue which requires treatment two or three times a week. If I had to pay each time I saw a doctor, I'd be severely in debt. I don't see how it would help.

It would help the ones who can afford to pay and bugger the rest of us, just like in the US.

After all, the poor are quite literally worthless and don't deserve treatment.

And we already pay!

Like many others you are comparing one extreme ours, with another extreme in the USA. Why not compare to France or Germany?

Hold on - you missed my point. Do you seriously expect me to pay each time I'm receiving treatment/see a doctor?

But you have an identified illness and you have an ongoing treatment plan. I am not trying to rewrite the NHS business plan, just stating the obvious. We can't afford the NHS as it stands and unless the model is changed it will eventually bankrupt the nation.

It is about funding the NHS, not persecuting people and I am sure there are people elsewhere in Europe who gave the same condition that you have and who do not feel persecuted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if I had to pay and didn't have any spare I just wouldn't be able to go to see a gp"

This is my point. For some people, it's a life or death choice. To enforce charges is too harsh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if I had to pay and didn't have any spare I just wouldn't be able to go to see a gp"

Same for me ..... then my health would get so bad i could end up in hospital which would cost the NHS far more.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"if I had to pay and didn't have any spare I just wouldn't be able to go to see a gp

This is my point. For some people, it's a life or death choice. To enforce charges is too harsh."

Change is inevitable. Remember what Darwin said about change?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

It seems to have become a tax, to pave the way for charging us but it didn't used to be and wasn't supposed to be.

The name is a clue.

The name is a left-wing fallacy, because they were too dishonest to call it a tax.

If you don't pay for you car insurance, your car won't be mended. Regardless of whether or not you pay NI, the tax-payer will fund your treatment.

(Which is as it should be)

National Insurance cannot be spent on general government expenditure. It funds some types of welfare expenditure.

It was introduced as a form of insurance against sickness and unemployment and is still used to pay for welfare.

It's not just a tax.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is time for us all to be big girls and boys and pay a fee to see the GP or go into hospital A&E.

They do this in most civilised countries and it had not resulted in sudden onset civil mayhem.

I've a medical issue which requires treatment two or three times a week. If I had to pay each time I saw a doctor, I'd be severely in debt. I don't see how it would help.

It would help the ones who can afford to pay and bugger the rest of us, just like in the US.

After all, the poor are quite literally worthless and don't deserve treatment.

And we already pay!

Like many others you are comparing one extreme ours, with another extreme in the USA. Why not compare to France or Germany?

Hold on - you missed my point. Do you seriously expect me to pay each time I'm receiving treatment/see a doctor?

It is about funding the NHS, not persecuting people and I am sure there are people elsewhere in Europe who gave the same condition that you have and who do not feel persecuted."

So I pay just the once, and that's fine? So I don't pay each time I see a doctor? What about when I'm referred to different specialists due to complications? The NHS still has a duty of care and enforcing this kind of thing will only reduce the level of care poor people receive. It's surely better to look at our NHS contributions than to expect lump sum payments before individual treatments.

I don't really care about other people in Europe though as their situation is irrelevant when it comes to treatment within the NHS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is time for us all to be big girls and boys and pay a fee to see the GP or go into hospital A&E.

They do this in most civilised countries and it had not resulted in sudden onset civil mayhem.

I've a medical issue which requires treatment two or three times a week. If I had to pay each time I saw a doctor, I'd be severely in debt. I don't see how it would help.

It would help the ones who can afford to pay and bugger the rest of us, just like in the US.

After all, the poor are quite literally worthless and don't deserve treatment.

And we already pay!

Like many others you are comparing one extreme ours, with another extreme in the USA. Why not compare to France or Germany? "

Because we tend to follow suit with the US rather than our EU associates

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if I had to pay and didn't have any spare I just wouldn't be able to go to see a gp

This is my point. For some people, it's a life or death choice. To enforce charges is too harsh.

Change is inevitable. Remember what Darwin said about change? "

Now it seems like you're encouraging segregation of the classes. People deserve health care and it's vital.

In my opinion, you're looking at the NHS in the wrong light. You've not commented on the funding or salaries of specialists or unnecessary research. You've just said the end user is responsible, which isn't really fair.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is time for us all to be big girls and boys and pay a fee to see the GP or go into hospital A&E.

They do this in most civilised countries and it had not resulted in sudden onset civil mayhem.

I've a medical issue which requires treatment two or three times a week. If I had to pay each time I saw a doctor, I'd be severely in debt. I don't see how it would help.

It would help the ones who can afford to pay and bugger the rest of us, just like in the US.

After all, the poor are quite literally worthless and don't deserve treatment.

And we already pay!

Like many others you are comparing one extreme ours, with another extreme in the USA. Why not compare to France or Germany?

Hold on - you missed my point. Do you seriously expect me to pay each time I'm receiving treatment/see a doctor?

It is about funding the NHS, not persecuting people and I am sure there are people elsewhere in Europe who gave the same condition that you have and who do not feel persecuted.

I don't really care about other people in Europe though as their situation is irrelevant when it comes to treatment within the NHS. "

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By *erbyDalesCpl OP Couple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Sorry, Virago, if it looks like a tax, smells like a tax, is used as a tax (no government expenditure is ring-fenced),and is taken out of my wages, it is a tax. By no definition of 'insurance scheme' is it an insurance scheme.

Sorry everyone, this was meant to be a more light-hearted thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if I had to pay and didn't have any spare I just wouldn't be able to go to see a gp

This is my point. For some people, it's a life or death choice. To enforce charges is too harsh.

Change is inevitable. Remember what Darwin said about change? "
..No, is it possible you could tell us what Darwin said about change!

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By *erbyDalesCpl OP Couple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

".No, is it possible you could tell us what Darwin said about change!"

Wasn't it something about little fish getting gobbled up by bigger fish?

Maybe a reference to the cost to the NHS of treating obesity?

Stomachs, I choose Stomachs!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well we payed taxes for years. And feel we should get things free at times.. But 9/10 we will pay if need something done as cant stand to weight and if we can we will . Not everything just Some things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We do pay a fee. It's called National Insurance.

Many of us pay it even when we don't use the service."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if I had to pay and didn't have any spare I just wouldn't be able to go to see a gp

This is my point. For some people, it's a life or death choice. To enforce charges is too harsh.

Change is inevitable. Remember what Darwin said about change? ..No, is it possible you could tell us what Darwin said about change!"

I think they're misusing a quote about being more successful by adapting to change.

Having a fascist regime as a government would be a change, too. Not all changes are good.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Perhaps rather than the essential premise of the NHS, as in free at the point of need, being changed could what the NHS is for be looked at?

I mean, there are people that have gender reassignment paid for on it for goodness sake. As mentioned earlier or in a previous thread, health tourism must be cracked down on.

The largest percentage of new HIV cases are from people who have been resident in the UK less than 2 years. Their treatment will costs tens of thousands if not more over the course of their lifetime.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if I had to pay and didn't have any spare I just wouldn't be able to go to see a gp

This is my point. For some people, it's a life or death choice. To enforce charges is too harsh.

Change is inevitable. Remember what Darwin said about change? ..No, is it possible you could tell us what Darwin said about change!

I think they're misusing a quote about being more successful by adapting to change.

Having a fascist regime as a government would be a change, too. Not all changes are good. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We do pay a fee. It's called National Insurance.

Many of us pay it even when we don't use the service.

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yes .

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

I think everyone should pay something towards the NHS apart from pensioners...

Even if it is some sort of sliding scale...

I pay my NI, then I pay for the prescription, dental work and the opticians.

Then you get others who pay nothing... That is wrong!!!

Miliband admires the French system...

They can get a taxi to and from the Dr/hospital and claim the money back, same with non prescription medicines...

Even the French say their system is up shit creek without a canoe...and they don't know how long it can last. It should have collapsed years ago...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It seems to have become a tax, to pave the way for charging us but it didn't used to be and wasn't supposed to be.

The name is a clue.

The name is a left-wing fallacy, because they were too dishonest to call it a tax.

If you don't pay for you car insurance, your car won't be mended. Regardless of whether or not you pay NI, the tax-payer will fund your treatment.

(Which is as it should be)

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right analogy but wrong thought process.

Car insurance is compulsory like ni , pedestrians and bicycle riders who don't have insurance get paid out by the car insurance pool! We paid in a little bit to cover those without.

Nobody gets paid out by the tax payer, the gov put your ni contributions in when you can't/be arsed afford to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is time for us all to be big girls and boys and pay a fee to see the GP or go into hospital A&E.

They do this in most civilised countries and it had not resulted in sudden onset civil mayhem.

Absolute rubbish! Sorry, but we all pay NI and the NHS is one of the most amazing things about the UK. Try asking an American.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It seems to have become a tax, to pave the way for charging us but it didn't used to be and wasn't supposed to be.

The name is a clue.

The name is a left-wing fallacy, because they were too dishonest to call it a tax.

If you don't pay for you car insurance, your car won't be mended. Regardless of whether or not you pay NI, the tax-payer will fund your treatment.

(Which is as it should be)I believe that is true but also the government can barrow from the NI fund which if is the case do they ever repay those loans

There have been times when there was a surplus in NI contributions

National Insurance cannot be spent on general government expenditure. It funds some types of welfare expenditure.

It was introduced as a form of insurance against sickness and unemployment and is still used to pay for welfare.

It's not just a tax."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also, I have no desire to live in a society that excludes people based on wealth - the UK does not do this, and rightly so.

Have you ever been to places where they have no health care and seen the devastation it does to peoples lives? We all pay into the NHS, FOR EACH OTHER. It's not about the individual, it's about looking out for each other and looking after society as a whole

Ggrrrrr.

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By *erbyDalesCpl OP Couple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Grrrrr?

To moi?

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

We already pay for the NHS not only in the form of National Insurance but also as part of our taxes.

Why should we pay a third time?

If anyone wants to privatise the NHS go for it but in that case remove the charge on taxes and NI and let it stand on payments and private insurance.

In reality the UK can afford to pay for the NHS, the problem is not the NHS but the huge amounts of money wasted by successive governments over decades and councils over decades.

For instance vast amounts of money are being spent on green initiatives yet in the 1950s we recycled and reused far more items than we do today.

People used electric lights as part of the heating of a home, now we are forced to use one source to light our homes and a second to heat our homes. This is not being green it is wasting energy.

Sending bin wagons round on different days to collect different forms of waste is not being green it wastes energy, it creates pollution and it wastes money.

Cut out the waste and the money can go towards funding the NHS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I really don't get the whole argument of people getting older and costs going up being unaffordable.

The cost is the cost, it doesn't matter how you pay, the amount remains the same.

You can either pay more! Or

Live less or die from cancers you currently live from.

If as is stated by some! That the future cost will bankrupt the country, it will bankrupt it whether it's nationalised or privatised, you can either afford something or you can't!.

So the argument should not be private or national, but deciding who we decide dies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unless it involves teeth, eyes or any pills, obviously

So, in order to provide more funding, is it time to extend charging to another random part of the body?

How about toes? Do we really need 10 of them?

Mr ddc"

Eyes should be free - can't help being bound as a bat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unless it involves teeth, eyes or any pills, obviously

So, in order to provide more funding, is it time to extend charging to another random part of the body?

How about toes? Do we really need 10 of them?

Mr ddc

Eyes should be free - can't help being bound as a bat "

*blind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Grrrrr?

To moi?

No! Just Gggrrrr at the concept.

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By *erbyDalesCpl OP Couple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Unless it involves teeth, eyes or any pills, obviously

So, in order to provide more funding, is it time to extend charging to another random part of the body?

How about toes? Do we really need 10 of them?

Mr ddc

Eyes should be free - can't help being bound as a bat

*blind"

That's okay, we'd already made allowances for your poor eyesight

£10 opticians voucher in the post

Thank god they still treat fat thumbs for free!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Leave it free, anyone who says otherwise is stupid

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"Also, I have no desire to live in a society that excludes people based on wealth - the UK does not do this, and rightly so.

Ggrrrrr. "

Absolutely. Do you also think there's a case for better education for obesity, alcohol and smoking related matters? Just a thought since due to lifestyle choices some people take out disproportionately more from the NHS than they should be entitled to.

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By *atietvsheffTV/TS
over a year ago

Sheffield

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also, I have no desire to live in a society that excludes people based on wealth - the UK does not do this, and rightly so.

Ggrrrrr.

Absolutely. Education surrounding health is a huge problem, and people need much more of it. Obesity rates are sky high, and being massively overweight is not something people should promote or celebrate (plenty do).

Lifestyle I believe is being taught in schools in some places now, which is a great thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

stop hiring contractors

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By *atietvsheffTV/TS
over a year ago

Sheffield

We don't all pay NI, if you earn below a certain amount you don't pay,if you don't work you don't pay if you are retired you don't pay, only people working and earning above a certain amount pay NI, it's a tax on jobs. A fairer way is to roll the NI into income tax and everyone pays if they earn over nil rate tax band.

It's a simple fact that we have a world class health service that gets better every year at curing things that used to kill us earlier in life, if we want that to continue and get better we have a choice, 1) pay more in tax to keep pace with the increase in health standards and life expectancy 2) see a reduction in the services and treatments available 3) Pay for additional services yourself through insurance or at the point of care. Before you board a plane you have a choice which service you have pay and turn left or go right don't moan if you have to wait .

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

The NHS will have to change, and I'm not sure what the answer is but charging to see your GP will be just one of them. What I do know is we will all have to start taking more responsibly for our own health and our children's health and lifestyle's.It would also be good for people to be made aware how much their treatment is costing,because I truly believe people have no idea how expenses even minor treatments cost and how brilliant the NHS is and how lucky we are to have it,and people must stop abusing it. I see the NHS as a privilege not as a right. People must see that however much tax you pay that treatment you are having,some of the cost of it, if not all of it is been met by other taxpayers. As a society we have now come to relied on the government to look after us and blame them for everything that goes wrong and expect them to fix everything by throwing money at it and I'm afraid that the NHS can not be fixed by money alone because there is not enough money in the world to do that.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"stop hiring contractors

I remember the NHS laid off loads of nurses about 10 years ago, less than 18 months later held a recruitment drive in Singapore, Thailand etc

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over a year ago

In my professional field, contractors are only there to fill in gaps until they find permanent staff. Its the other way round unfortunately in the healthcare.

And you should all know contractors are a rip off for what they charge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The NHS should be free and stay free. Stop selling off chunks of it to private companies who are going to be looking to do things cheaper and make a profit... Which ultimately means less care to the patient.

Search for "Keep our NHS public" if you want to have a more in depth look into some of the issues about privatisation of the National Health Service.

People before profit!

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

"In my professional field, contractors are only there to fill in gaps until they find permanent staff. Its the other way round unfortunately in the healthcare.

And you should all know contractors are a rip off for what they charge."

Is that Contractors in general or just in the NHS

If so its bollocks, Contractors bid for a contract, and usually the lowest bid that wins.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

permanent nhs contractors

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

"permanent nhs contractors"

There is no such thing

A contract is a fixed term thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"permanent nhs contractors

There is no such thing

A contract is a fixed term thing"

There are people on rolling contracts being paid a contract rate. I think that's what he means.

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

NHS should be free.

But not a free for all.

If you're a foreign tourist,outdoor of the EU you should pay.

As should all the pissed up idiots who drink too much.

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over a year ago

"if I had to pay and didn't have any spare I just wouldn't be able to go to see a gp

This is my point. For some people, it's a life or death choice. To enforce charges is too harsh.

Change is inevitable. Remember what Darwin said about change? ..No, is it possible you could tell us what Darwin said about change!"

He said species that adapt to their environment are most likely to survive.

I kind of like the idea of going back to the old days of of plagues and things like that though to test the human race and how it would survive now...ebola epidemic anyone?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"NHS should be free.

But not a free for all.

If you're a foreign tourist,outdoor of the EU you should pay.

As should all the pissed up idiots who drink too much.

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..Surely people who get pisssed all the time pay the most and therefore should get better and quicker treatment!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if I had to pay and didn't have any spare I just wouldn't be able to go to see a gp

This is my point. For some people, it's a life or death choice. To enforce charges is too harsh.

Change is inevitable. Remember what Darwin said about change? ..No, is it possible you could tell us what Darwin said about change!

He said species that adapt to their environment are most likely to survive.

I kind of like the idea of going back to the old days of of plagues and things like that though to test the human race and how it would survive now...ebola epidemic anyone?

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Darwin and his book the origin of the species is widely misquoted.

He wrote one paragraph on survival of the fittest! but several chapters on species that band together usually outperform others that like to go it alone!.

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By *ipswingCouple
over a year ago

portrush

of course we need to pay ... sure the government has to pay for its excursions into iraq.. personal expenses etc ... and schooling for children should also be privatised... as we all know you dont need to have a heart these days... it costs too much ...

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over a year ago

"if I had to pay and didn't have any spare I just wouldn't be able to go to see a gp

This is my point. For some people, it's a life or death choice. To enforce charges is too harsh.

Change is inevitable. Remember what Darwin said about change? ..No, is it possible you could tell us what Darwin said about change!

He said species that adapt to their environment are most likely to survive.

I kind of like the idea of going back to the old days of of plagues and things like that though to test the human race and how it would survive now...ebola epidemic anyone?

Darwin and his book the origin of the species is widely misquoted.

He wrote one paragraph on survival of the fittest! but several chapters on species that band together usually outperform others that like to go it alone!."

Not read that much about him tbh. Think he had some messed up ideas and i didn't wanna pollute my head any more so stopped looking into him, and instead research the latest stuff in science.

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

The NHS is NOT free...

The sooner people rember this the better.

It gets paid for by us, not the government, an other mistake people make...

If the cost of the NHS can not be covered by surplus money collected by the government, it should be covered by the people using it.

I pay NI, taxes and then as I pay them I have to pay for many services and prescriptions as well.

If someone is on benefits they should pay a % of prescriptions etc...

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