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By *abio OP   Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

apparently there is to be a press conference tomorrow at a "league 1" club with PFA leader Gordon Taylor to announce that ched evans has signed with the club....

since my 2nd team is the O's... I was worried.... but have heard 3 different League 1 teams mentioned in the last 2 hrs

so without going into the "appeal process" that may be coming (we have had that in various other threads in the last couple of months!) my question is this:

"At this point in time, would you support your football club signing him?"

for me, I think I would feel so strongly as to not go, and give back my season ticket!

I know that no one person is bigger than the club I love... but that would be too unpalatable for me....

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By *rladytoyMan
over a year ago

bournemouth


"apparently there is to be a press conference tomorrow at a "league 1" club with PFA leader Gordon Taylor to announce that ched evans has signed with the club....

since my 2nd team is the O's... I was worried.... but have heard 3 different League 1 teams mentioned in the last 2 hrs

so without going into the "appeal process" that may be coming (we have had that in various other threads in the last couple of months!) my question is this:

"At this point in time, would you support your football club signing him?"

for me, I think I would feel so strongly as to not go, and give back my season ticket!

I know that no one person is bigger than the club I love... but that would be too unpalatable for me...."

I would yes, sorry but he served his time like everyone else who leaves prison and gets back into work its up to a parent to teach a child right from wrong not a 'football idol'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely true support transcends withdrawing patronage from a team simply because of an issue caused by the inclusion of one individual within that team.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its rumored to be oldham,barnsley or port vale...

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Yes, he's done his time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely not. There are some crimes which are too serious to allow the perpetrator to return to a public role or a position of responsibility. Would they also sign a convicted murderer? An armed robber? A paedophile?

Beggars belief that they'd sign a convicted rapist!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm in two minds about this one. Like it or not, he is a public figure, albeit a minor one. Perhaps he should try to fade out of the limelight for a while. The thing that makes me think is how much he is still protesting his innocence after spending time in prison. Let's see what happens after the appeal hearing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"apparently there is to be a press conference tomorrow at a "league 1" club with PFA leader Gordon Taylor to announce that ched evans has signed with the club....

since my 2nd team is the O's... I was worried.... but have heard 3 different League 1 teams mentioned in the last 2 hrs

so without going into the "appeal process" that may be coming (we have had that in various other threads in the last couple of months!) my question is this:

"At this point in time, would you support your football club signing him?"

for me, I think I would feel so strongly as to not go, and give back my season ticket!

I know that no one person is bigger than the club I love... but that would be too unpalatable for me....

I would yes, sorry but he served his time like everyone else who leaves prison and gets back into work its up to a parent to teach a child right from wrong not a 'football idol'"

How would you feel if you had a daughter and she was a mascot and had to walk onto a pitch holding hands with a convicted rapist? Those on the sex offenders list are precluded from a lot of professions and I believe that professional sport should be added to that list. But I am sure many will disagree.

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By *abio OP   Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"its rumored to be oldham, barnsley or port vale... "

those are the 3 teams i have heard...... its now leaning towards it being oldham

the Vale chairman in the last hour has come up to say it definately isn't them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definitely not barnsley

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Absolutely not. There are some crimes which are too serious to allow the perpetrator to return to a public role or a position of responsibility. Would they also sign a convicted murderer? An armed robber? A paedophile?

Beggars belief that they'd sign a convicted rapist!"

Yes they would would and have signed them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"its rumored to be oldham, barnsley or port vale...

those are the 3 teams i have heard...... its now leaning towards it being oldham

the Vale chairman in the last hour has come up to say it definately isn't them"

we,oldham, signed lee hughes after he killed someone and served time....so the club has previous

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By *rladytoyMan
over a year ago

bournemouth


"apparently there is to be a press conference tomorrow at a "league 1" club with PFA leader Gordon Taylor to announce that ched evans has signed with the club....

since my 2nd team is the O's... I was worried.... but have heard 3 different League 1 teams mentioned in the last 2 hrs

so without going into the "appeal process" that may be coming (we have had that in various other threads in the last couple of months!) my question is this:

"At this point in time, would you support your football club signing him?"

for me, I think I would feel so strongly as to not go, and give back my season ticket!

I know that no one person is bigger than the club I love... but that would be too unpalatable for me....

I would yes, sorry but he served his time like everyone else who leaves prison and gets back into work its up to a parent to teach a child right from wrong not a 'football idol'

How would you feel if you had a daughter and she was a mascot and had to walk onto a pitch holding hands with a convicted rapist? Those on the sex offenders list are precluded from a lot of professions and I believe that professional sport should be added to that list. But I am sure many will disagree."

Yes I most definitely take your point, however, i am meant to conform to what laws and rules the government set for me and they give him what they deemed an acceptable sentence which he has served. Not saying I like it but that's the way it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He has been offered a contract overseas (Malta I think) but the terms of his license meant it didn't happen.

I think it's only a matter of time, be interested to see how he handkes tge inevitable abuse from opposition fans at every match

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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How would you feel if you had a daughter and she was a mascot and had to walk onto a pitch holding hands with a convicted rapist? "

I don't disagree..... that would certainty would be an objectionable if not unacceptable situation....

But in reality its just football ,,,,,, and no child will be forced into that situation and no parents will forced to allow that situation to happen...

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"apparently there is to be a press conference tomorrow at a "league 1" club with PFA leader Gordon Taylor to announce that ched evans has signed with the club....

since my 2nd team is the O's... I was worried.... but have heard 3 different League 1 teams mentioned in the last 2 hrs

so without going into the "appeal process" that may be coming (we have had that in various other threads in the last couple of months!) my question is this:

"At this point in time, would you support your football club signing him?"

for me, I think I would feel so strongly as to not go, and give back my season ticket!

I know that no one person is bigger than the club I love... but that would be too unpalatable for me...."

There are a number of footballers who have served time for incidents that have resulted in the death of innocent people and they are still playing.

The pursuing of Ched Evans beyond the rule of law of this country is just another example of mob rule and we are supposed to be a civilised country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"its rumored to be oldham, barnsley or port vale...

those are the 3 teams i have heard...... its now leaning towards it being oldham

the Vale chairman in the last hour has come up to say it definately isn't them

we,oldham, signed lee hughes after he killed someone and served time....so the club has previous "

Lol is the team sponsored by G4S by any chance????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Before I give my opinion and someone accuses me of this and that I'd just like to say I'm a very liberal person, I consider things, I'm no reactionary. With that said I wouldn't want him at my club and if I owned one I wouldn't employ him, simple as. The law says he's served his time but I find rape abhorrent, I can't think of many more disgusting crimes so I've no time for him. You may have your views but that's mine, I have no time for rapists in any walk of life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who calls their child ched what is it short for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"apparently there is to be a press conference tomorrow at a "league 1" club with PFA leader Gordon Taylor to announce that ched evans has signed with the club....

since my 2nd team is the O's... I was worried.... but have heard 3 different League 1 teams mentioned in the last 2 hrs

so without going into the "appeal process" that may be coming (we have had that in various other threads in the last couple of months!) my question is this:

"At this point in time, would you support your football club signing him?"

for me, I think I would feel so strongly as to not go, and give back my season ticket!

I know that no one person is bigger than the club I love... but that would be too unpalatable for me....

There are a number of footballers who have served time for incidents that have resulted in the death of innocent people and they are still playing.

The pursuing of Ched Evans beyond the rule of law of this country is just another example of mob rule and we are supposed to be a civilised country."

It's uncivilised to put him back into the game. If he was a nurse, a police officer, a lawyer, a doctor, a schoolteacher etc etc he'd have lost his job permanently as convicted criminals are not welcome in those professions. Why should sports (especially those wanting to clean up their act) be any different?!

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

Having seen the video of the incident id sign him.

Footballs still rubbish though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Real tough one isn't it. He's committed a crime that is not nice at all, but has served his time. I'd argue there are worse criminals who have returned to professional football - Lee Hughes potentially - and I'm sure plenty more who have done similar acts that have never been caught. There's no getting away from it though - he's awaiting a second appeal but it's not looking good.

I follow a Championship club, I'm just happy it's not a dilemma for me as a supporter.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"Who calls their child ched what is it short for"

It is a Welsh name. Chedwyn.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I remember rightly she was d*unk and he took advantage. This happens every weekend in every town or city countless times. For me he's served his time, been publicly humiliated and has paid his price much more than anyone has for the same thing. Not saying it's right what he did but in relation to others he's more than paid the price. But what he did is in the past. He's out of prison, he has every right to work and earn a living. Believe me he will get some massive stick in every game he plays. He would be better of playing abroad but he can't due to his conviction so we are stuck with him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"apparently there is to be a press conference tomorrow at a "league 1" club with PFA leader Gordon Taylor to announce that ched evans has signed with the club....

since my 2nd team is the O's... I was worried.... but have heard 3 different League 1 teams mentioned in the last 2 hrs

so without going into the "appeal process" that may be coming (we have had that in various other threads in the last couple of months!) my question is this:

"At this point in time, would you support your football club signing him?"

for me, I think I would feel so strongly as to not go, and give back my season ticket!

I know that no one person is bigger than the club I love... but that would be too unpalatable for me...."

I would consider handing your season ticket back, Fabio ... Gateshead were thrashed. Mind you, the Magpies are on another bad turn, too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"apparently there is to be a press conference tomorrow at a "league 1" club with PFA leader Gordon Taylor to announce that ched evans has signed with the club....

since my 2nd team is the O's... I was worried.... but have heard 3 different League 1 teams mentioned in the last 2 hrs

so without going into the "appeal process" that may be coming (we have had that in various other threads in the last couple of months!) my question is this:

"At this point in time, would you support your football club signing him?"

for me, I think I would feel so strongly as to not go, and give back my season ticket!

I know that no one person is bigger than the club I love... but that would be too unpalatable for me....

There are a number of footballers who have served time for incidents that have resulted in the death of innocent people and they are still playing.

The pursuing of Ched Evans beyond the rule of law of this country is just another example of mob rule and we are supposed to be a civilised country."

I agree .... he has served his time and surely should now be encouraged to work ?

I am a season ticket holder for Leicester City and i would carry on being one !

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"Real tough one isn't it. He's committed a crime that is not nice at all, but has served his time. I'd argue there are worse criminals who have returned to professional football - Lee Hughes potentially - and I'm sure plenty more who have done similar acts that have never been caught. There's no getting away from it though - he's awaiting a second appeal but it's not looking good.

I follow a Championship club, I'm just happy it's not a dilemma for me as a supporter. "

What is not looking good? The CCRC are reviewing the case and the sentiment on the law forums is that his conviction will be overturned. It is just about the most unsafe conviction in modern times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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It's uncivilised to put him back into the game. If he was a nurse, a police officer, a lawyer, a doctor, a schoolteacher etc etc he'd have lost his job permanently as convicted criminals are not welcome in those professions. Why should sports (especially those wanting to clean up their act) be any different?!"

They're very different jobs though, but I know footballers are probably bigger role models.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Such a hard one.

I agree with the concept of rehabilitation and second chances, but I also know that to many boys, footballers are almost their only male role-model, and as such they do hold extra responsibility.

In this specific case, I thought there was much talk about a mis-carriage, as certain information was withheld from the jury, and he was certain to be found innocent during the review. However, if he truly believes this to be the case, why sign now, when surely he would get a better deal if he was able to clear his name?

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who calls their child ched what is it short for

It is a Welsh name. Chedwyn."

Thanks for that been trying to work that out for weeks !! Actually thats quite a nice name

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think were all presuming he did this, remember the Birmingham six and the Guildford Four, the girl was in his room for a reason, and theres been lots of occasions when girls have cried rape, resulting in the person being jailed then found innocent on appeal

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

He has served his time but that doesn't mean he automatically gets to play football again. I wouldn't want to cheer a rapist on my football team.

There are plenty of other jobs he could do, he's not being denied work.

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By *lassyandadventurousMan
over a year ago

England and Wales

I bet hes not the only rapist playing football..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a problem for me because he showed no remorse. He has taught his fans that *even if a woman is too d*unk to say yes or no, you'll get out in two years anyway*.

It's a problem for me because many women who play for the club, work for the club and train with the club (on youth camps and so forth) may well now feel that they can't be in that place anymore. I would certainly be scared of finding myself alone with a man *who doesn't understand the concept of consent*.

I don't see how signing him to a team will do any good for that team. It will sully the reputation of their men's team, it will make their ladies team and youth programmes less desirable and it'll make some female staff uncomfortable in their workplace.

Any club that signs him is putting their marker in the sand that they don't really care about women, or sex crimes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My understanding of the story is that the woman was too d*unk to remember consenting to it all.

If I go out and get d*unk, then sleep with a woman and phone the police he next morning stating I was raped because I don't remember consenting to the sex I would be laughed at.

It's still debated that he shouldn't even have been convicted, give the man his job back and let him got on with his life.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

I work with ex-offenders and these are the barriers they come up against time and time again, regardless of their offenses.

Whether you like it or not we have a Criminal Justice System that deems that once you have served your sentence, you have paid your debt to society and can continue your life (albeit with the caveat of restrictions such as the Sex Offenders Register).

Why should Evans be any different just because he's in the public eye?

In my mind, it's actually highlighting the problems that a lot of ex-offenders, who genuinely want to leave their previous lives behind them and move on, face.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Absolutely not. There are some crimes which are too serious to allow the perpetrator to return to a public role or a position of responsibility. Would they also sign a convicted murderer? An armed robber? A paedophile?

Beggars belief that they'd sign a convicted rapist!"

If they have served their time and conform to their license conditions then why not a convicted murderer ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think were all presuming he did this, remember the Birmingham six and the Guildford Four, the girl was in his room for a reason, and theres been lots of occasions when girls have cried rape, resulting in the person being jailed then found innocent on appeal "

She went to the room with Mr McDonald and had no awareness that another person was going to be there. Doesn't sound like you're actually familiar with the case!

Anyway wth?! Being in the same room as a man and consent to sexual activity are not the same thing!!!

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over a year ago

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"My understanding of the story is that the woman was too d*unk to remember consenting to it all.

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If that was all there was to it, then it would be a simple, clear-cut case of rape. No questions asked.

However this case wasn't. Doubt we can go into details on here, but the videos, tweets and facebook posts are all on the internet to be found, and form the basis of his appeal. As I understand it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If I remember rightly she was d*unk and he took advantage. This happens every weekend in every town or city countless times. For me he's served his time, been publicly humiliated and has paid his price much more than anyone has for the same thing. Not saying it's right what he did but in relation to others he's more than paid the price. But what he did is in the past. He's out of prison, he has every right to work and earn a living. Believe me he will get some massive stick in every game he plays. He would be better of playing abroad but he can't due to his conviction so we are stuck with him."

I'm a female blades fan and had no problem with him training and hopefully eventually playing for us once again ..I've read the full court report and I'm sickened that this "woman" is being deemed as a victim as she has previous ...

What happened wasn't rape it was a d*unken night out that she decided to cash in on

I just hope his retrail is soon and she's named and shamed as she puts real rape victim at risk of not being believed

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By *onbons_xxMan
over a year ago

Bolton

It's not something that I would be comfortable. I understands the rehabilitation into society process, but doing time without any contrition or remorse just means that doing the time/sentence is enough. I don't think it is.

If Oldham were not arsed about the background of it and the negative impact then they wouldn't be so hesitant in announcing it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think were all presuming he did this, remember the Birmingham six and the Guildford Four, the girl was in his room for a reason, and theres been lots of occasions when girls have cried rape, resulting in the person being jailed then found innocent on appeal

She went to the room with Mr McDonald and had no awareness that another person was going to be there. Doesn't sound like you're actually familiar with the case!

Anyway wth?! Being in the same room as a man and consent to sexual activity are not the same thing!!! "

I agree, and your presuming she didnt know he was there... and yes your right in my eyes a no's a no...but was the report an afterthought when she awoke in the morning, theres only 3 people that know that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm in two minds about this one. Like it or not, he is a public figure, albeit a minor one. Perhaps he should try to fade out of the limelight for a while. The thing that makes me think is how much he is still protesting his innocence after spending time in prison. Let's see what happens after the appeal hearing."

This.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"If I remember rightly she was d*unk and he took advantage. This happens every weekend in every town or city countless times. For me he's served his time, been publicly humiliated and has paid his price much more than anyone has for the same thing. Not saying it's right what he did but in relation to others he's more than paid the price. But what he did is in the past. He's out of prison, he has every right to work and earn a living. Believe me he will get some massive stick in every game he plays. He would be better of playing abroad but he can't due to his conviction so we are stuck with him.

I'm a female blades fan and had no problem with him training and hopefully eventually playing for us once again ..I've read the full court report and I'm sickened that this "woman" is being deemed as a victim as she has previous ...

What happened wasn't rape it was a d*unken night out that she decided to cash in on

I just hope his retrail is soon and she's named and shamed as she puts real rape victim at risk of not being believed "

This is why I hate these Ched Evans posts. Doesn't take long until the victim is vilified and called names, even though he was the one convicted for rape.

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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago

East Lancashire

Just to point out...he has not yet served his time, he is on parole.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My understanding of the story is that the woman was too d*unk to remember consenting to it all.

If that was all there was to it, then it would be a simple, clear-cut case of rape. No questions asked.

However this case wasn't. Doubt we can go into details on here, but the videos, tweets and facebook posts are all on the internet to be found, and form the basis of his appeal. As I understand it."

I know there's more to the story than that but to summarise - she was too d*unk to remember consenting to it. My points are that had the sexs' of the people involved be reversed then chances are it wouldn't have even left that hotel room and that regardless of that debate, he should be allowed to continue living his life once he's done his time...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's a problem for me because he showed no remorse. He has taught his fans that *even if a woman is too d*unk to say yes or no, you'll get out in two years anyway*.

It's a problem for me because many women who play for the club, work for the club and train with the club (on youth camps and so forth) may well now feel that they can't be in that place anymore. I would certainly be scared of finding myself alone with a man *who doesn't understand the concept of consent*.

I don't see how signing him to a team will do any good for that team. It will sully the reputation of their men's team, it will make their ladies team and youth programmes less desirable and it'll make some female staff uncomfortable in their workplace.

Any club that signs him is putting their marker in the sand that they don't really care about women, or sex crimes."

I am a woman who supports a football team and i wouldnt feel they were saying they dont care about women if they signed him, i would feel they cared about rehabilitation for offenders.

Plus he hasnt shown remorse cus he said he didnt rape the woman and as far as i understand, the case is being looked at again.

I wouldnt show remorse for something i know i didnt do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think were all presuming he did this, remember the Birmingham six and the Guildford Four, the girl was in his room for a reason, and theres been lots of occasions when girls have cried rape, resulting in the person being jailed then found innocent on appeal

She went to the room with Mr McDonald and had no awareness that another person was going to be there. Doesn't sound like you're actually familiar with the case!

Anyway wth?! Being in the same room as a man and consent to sexual activity are not the same thing!!! "

It wasn't just that she had no knowledge, he lied to hotel staff to get in having somehow interpreted a text saying "I've pulled a bird" as an invite to join. An act that can only be described as predatory

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And there is no appealhearing at ppresent. He has already had 1 appeal turned down as he had no grounds for appeal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He shouldn't be allowed to play football again for a professional side and whoever he signs for the fans wont like even if he popped in 30 goals a season the guys a nance should of had his balls chopped off if i was on the picth i would want to end his career has hes a scumbag yes few footballers have been jail but for what he did no the guys a idiot and don't deserve the right to earning silly amounts of money that's what i say

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"I think were all presuming he did this, remember the Birmingham six and the Guildford Four, the girl was in his room for a reason, and theres been lots of occasions when girls have cried rape, resulting in the person being jailed then found innocent on appeal

She went to the room with Mr McDonald and had no awareness that another person was going to be there. Doesn't sound like you're actually familiar with the case!

Anyway wth?! Being in the same room as a man and consent to sexual activity are not the same thing!!! "

Therein is the paradox and the reason why this is being touted as the biggest miscarriage of justice in modern times. If you yourself should decide to read the trial transcript you will see that he was found guilty on the basis that she was too d*unk to consent. The review will be that she could not possibly have been more d*unk after she had already been with the co-accused. Human physiology would mean that she would have to have been less d*unk after the passage of time - not more d*unk. These are not debatable issues, they are medical facts, the liver breaks down alcohol and this is how you sober up with time.

The argument is not about their odious behaviour but about the fact that scientifically, she cannot have been incapable of giving consent after she had previously given consent especially as the Judge had specifically omitted the fact that d*unken consent, is consent.

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By *eavensent78Couple
over a year ago

west mids


"I think were all presuming he did this, remember the Birmingham six and the Guildford Four, the girl was in his room for a reason, and theres been lots of occasions when girls have cried rape, resulting in the person being jailed then found innocent on appeal

She went to the room with Mr McDonald and had no awareness that another person was going to be there. Doesn't sound like you're actually familiar with the case!

Anyway wth?! Being in the same room as a man and consent to sexual activity are not the same thing!!!

Therein is the paradox and the reason why this is being touted as the biggest miscarriage of justice in modern times. If you yourself should decide to read the trial transcript you will see that he was found guilty on the basis that she was too d*unk to consent. The review will be that she could not possibly have been more d*unk after she had already been with the co-accused. Human physiology would mean that she would have to have been less d*unk after the passage of time - not more d*unk. These are not debatable issues, they are medical facts, the liver breaks down alcohol and this is how you sober up with time.

The argument is not about their odious behaviour but about the fact that scientifically, she cannot have been incapable of giving consent after she had previously given consent especially as the Judge had specifically omitted the fact that d*unken consent, is consent."

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By *imon_hydeMan
over a year ago

Stockport

Just to reiterate there is no appeal, He was found guilty, there is no new evidence and no hint of a mis trial. He's guilty of rape and is unrepentant, Im amazed that any employer would consider looking at such a man. Its his complete denial of guilt and utter disrespect for his victim that make me feel this, if he'd had served his time and reflected on what he'd done, apologised then I'd say fair enough second chance but the mans scum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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If I go out and get d*unk, then sleep with a woman and phone the police he next morning stating I was raped because I don't remember consenting to the sex I would be laughed at. "

And we need to work towards ending a culture that laughs at the idea of men being raped. Because men do get raped and it's every bit as awful as it is for women.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who calls their child ched what is it short for

It is a Welsh name. Chedwyn.

Thanks for that been trying to work that out for weeks !! Actually thats quite a nice name "

like keith... chegwin..

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"Just to reiterate there is no appeal, He was found guilty, there is no new evidence and no hint of a mis trial. He's guilty of rape and is unrepentant, Im amazed that any employer would consider looking at such a man. Its his complete denial of guilt and utter disrespect for his victim that make me feel this, if he'd had served his time and reflected on what he'd done, apologised then I'd say fair enough second chance but the mans scum. "

This is not correct. His case has been referred to to the CCRC (criminal case review committee) on the grounds that the conviction is unsafe. The CCRC have agreed to fast track the case albeit they have gone out of their way to say that there is no reason for his particular case to be fast tracked ( yeh, right).

Take a peek at the law and legal forums if you want an idea as to what those in the legal profession think.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

I here what you're saying Too-hot, but presumably if she had a large amount of alcohol still in her stomach, rather than her blood-stream, she could still become more d*unk over time?

I don't know, just trying to be devil's advocate, and work out the judge's logic. It's one of those cases I just wish the legal system could hurry up and finalise once and for all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting though, be it wrong or right but if a Guy pulled and was having sex, then the girls friend came and joined in, would he cry rape? Chances are he would be over the moon.

In all seriousness though I do feel pitty on Ched mostly because what happened with him happens pretty often, but he's going to be considered a rapist for the rest of his life, where a lesser known person would probably have got away with it. Not justice in my eyes regardless of if what he did is wrong or not.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"I here what you're saying Too-hot, but presumably if she had a large amount of alcohol still in her stomach, rather than her blood-stream, she could still become more d*unk over time?

I don't know, just trying to be devil's advocate, and work out the judge's logic. It's one of those cases I just wish the legal system could hurry up and finalise once and for all."

The amount of alcohol that she had consumed and when she had her last drink is not in question. Read the transcript.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think were all presuming he did this, remember the Birmingham six and the Guildford Four, the girl was in his room for a reason, and theres been lots of occasions when girls have cried rape, resulting in the person being jailed then found innocent on appeal

She went to the room with Mr McDonald and had no awareness that another person was going to be there. Doesn't sound like you're actually familiar with the case!

Anyway wth?! Being in the same room as a man and consent to sexual activity are not the same thing!!!

Therein is the paradox and the reason why this is being touted as the biggest miscarriage of justice in modern times. If you yourself should decide to read the trial transcript you will see that he was found guilty on the basis that she was too d*unk to consent. The review will be that she could not possibly have been more d*unk after she had already been with the co-accused. Human physiology would mean that she would have to have been less d*unk after the passage of time - not more d*unk. These are not debatable issues, they are medical facts, the liver breaks down alcohol and this is how you sober up with time.

The argument is not about their odious behaviour but about the fact that scientifically, she cannot have been incapable of giving consent after she had previously given consent especially as the Judge had specifically omitted the fact that d*unken consent, is consent."

Not true. The enzyme responsible for breaking down alcohol will do so at a rate of approx 1 unit per hour, slightly less in females. The rate of absorption in the gut can dramatically exceed the rate of breakdown in the liver. If very large volumes of alcohol have been claimed and this is the case, what will happen to the person? They get more d*unk, even when they've ceased drinking.

I've seen people lose consciousness two or three hours after arrival in A&E as a result of alcohol already present in their GI tracts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has everyone forgot about Luke McCormick, who was jailed in 2008 for killing two brothers while twice over the legal drink-drive limit, he went back to playing football after being released from prison

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think were all presuming he did this, remember the Birmingham six and the Guildford Four, the girl was in his room for a reason, and theres been lots of occasions when girls have cried rape, resulting in the person being jailed then found innocent on appeal

She went to the room with Mr McDonald and had no awareness that another person was going to be there. Doesn't sound like you're actually familiar with the case!

Anyway wth?! Being in the same room as a man and consent to sexual activity are not the same thing!!!

Therein is the paradox and the reason why this is being touted as the biggest miscarriage of justice in modern times. If you yourself should decide to read the trial transcript you will see that he was found guilty on the basis that she was too d*unk to consent. The review will be that she could not possibly have been more d*unk after she had already been with the co-accused. Human physiology would mean that she would have to have been less d*unk after the passage of time - not more d*unk. These are not debatable issues, they are medical facts, the liver breaks down alcohol and this is how you sober up with time.

The argument is not about their odious behaviour but about the fact that scientifically, she cannot have been incapable of giving consent after she had previously given consent especially as the Judge had specifically omitted the fact that d*unken consent, is consent."

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"Has everyone forgot about Luke McCormick, who was jailed in 2008 for killing two brothers while twice over the legal drink-drive limit, he went back to playing football after being released from prison"

I remember when that happened. I think the difference is that he had no choice but to plead guilty and take his punishment. He hasn't kept bleating about being innocent afterwards.

Having said that, the punishment for death by dangerous/d*unk driving should be a lot higher than it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well if hadn't done the crime I'd been accused of I certainly wouldn't plead guilty either.

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over a year ago


"Well if hadn't done the crime I'd been accused of I certainly wouldn't plead guilty either."

Nor would i.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The victim claims she was blind d*unk, I suggest people go to the Ched Evans website and watch the video of this supposedly blind d*unk girl walking quite normally of her own free will into the hotel

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over a year ago


"The victim claims she was blind d*unk, I suggest people go to the Ched Evans website and watch the video of this supposedly blind d*unk girl walking quite normally of her own free will into the hotel"

Yet when Evans abd his co-accused left the hotel they told the staff to keep an eye on her because of the state she was in. Evans' apologists like to focus in the CCTV rather than that fact

Nobody seems to be able to explain how Evans obtained the footage either

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over a year ago


"The victim claims she was blind d*unk, I suggest people go to the Ched Evans website and watch the video of this supposedly blind d*unk girl walking quite normally of her own free will into the hotel"

Funny how they haven't included all the video shown to the jury though? Like the CCTV from the kebab shop where she was all over the place. His website is a crock.

Proves nothing anyway. Lots of people lose awareness while d*unk. I'd imagine most of us have woken up the next day asking ourselves 'how did I get home?', yet we clearly did. Motor skills, memory and cognition are all controlled in different parts of the brain. It's entirely possible that they could be affected to varying degrees.

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By *layer oneMan
over a year ago

mirfield

He should go out and get a normal job like the rest of us.. He raped a woman his football time is over. Kids used to look up to him and in court he could not give a shit .. What a wanker

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"I think were all presuming he did this, remember the Birmingham six and the Guildford Four, the girl was in his room for a reason, and theres been lots of occasions when girls have cried rape, resulting in the person being jailed then found innocent on appeal

She went to the room with Mr McDonald and had no awareness that another person was going to be there. Doesn't sound like you're actually familiar with the case!

Anyway wth?! Being in the same room as a man and consent to sexual activity are not the same thing!!!

Therein is the paradox and the reason why this is being touted as the biggest miscarriage of justice in modern times. If you yourself should decide to read the trial transcript you will see that he was found guilty on the basis that she was too d*unk to consent. The review will be that she could not possibly have been more d*unk after she had already been with the co-accused. Human physiology would mean that she would have to have been less d*unk after the passage of time - not more d*unk. These are not debatable issues, they are medical facts, the liver breaks down alcohol and this is how you sober up with time.

The argument is not about their odious behaviour but about the fact that scientifically, she cannot have been incapable of giving consent after she had previously given consent especially as the Judge had specifically omitted the fact that d*unken consent, is consent.

Not true. The enzyme responsible for breaking down alcohol will do so at a rate of approx 1 unit per hour, slightly less in females. The rate of absorption in the gut can dramatically exceed the rate of breakdown in the liver. If very large volumes of alcohol have been claimed and this is the case, what will happen to the person? They get more d*unk, even when they've ceased drinking.

I've seen people lose consciousness two or three hours after arrival in A&E as a result of alcohol already present in their GI tracts. "

But you have not read the transcript have you? No one is questioning how much she had to drink, when she had the last drink and the assessment (albeit by a defence expert, but not disputed) was that she had the equivalent of five or six pints of lager in her system at the time of Evans offence.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"The victim claims she was blind d*unk, I suggest people go to the Ched Evans website and watch the video of this supposedly blind d*unk girl walking quite normally of her own free will into the hotel

Yet when Evans abd his co-accused left the hotel they told the staff to keep an eye on her because of the state she was in. Evans' apologists like to focus in the CCTV rather than that fact

Nobody seems to be able to explain how Evans obtained the footage either"

What does it matter where the CCTV came from? Also with regard to a previous point you allege that he was guilty because of his predatory behaviour? .... Predatory behaviour is not a criminal offence and indeed it is such a necessary attribute to the male species of the human race that without this trait we would still be living in caves.

I think that you are having difficulty separating what is unquestionably pugnacious, odious and despicable behaviour and whether or not Ched Evans did actually commit an offence punishable by law.

On the legal and law forums there is an overwhelming sentiment that this conviction will be overturned.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

A football team who knowingly and willingly employs a rapist won't get my support. I'm of the opinion that his low opinion of women will prevail and that his prison sentence won't change his behaviours or attitudes. I'd send him to fucking Antartica.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"apparently there is to be a press conference tomorrow at a "league 1" club with PFA leader Gordon Taylor to announce that ched evans has signed with the club....

since my 2nd team is the O's... I was worried.... but have heard 3 different League 1 teams mentioned in the last 2 hrs

so without going into the "appeal process" that may be coming (we have had that in various other threads in the last couple of months!) my question is this:

"At this point in time, would you support your football club signing him?"

for me, I think I would feel so strongly as to not go, and give back my season ticket!

I know that no one person is bigger than the club I love... but that would be too unpalatable for me....

I would yes, sorry but he served his time like everyone else who leaves prison and gets back into work its up to a parent to teach a child right from wrong not a 'football idol'"
so a teacher goes to jail for messing with kids is it ok for him to go back teaching when he gets out?

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over a year ago


"apparently there is to be a press conference tomorrow at a "league 1" club with PFA leader Gordon Taylor to announce that ched evans has signed with the club....

since my 2nd team is the O's... I was worried.... but have heard 3 different League 1 teams mentioned in the last 2 hrs

so without going into the "appeal process" that may be coming (we have had that in various other threads in the last couple of months!) my question is this:

"At this point in time, would you support your football club signing him?"

for me, I think I would feel so strongly as to not go, and give back my season ticket!

I know that no one person is bigger than the club I love... but that would be too unpalatable for me....

I would yes, sorry but he served his time like everyone else who leaves prison and gets back into work its up to a parent to teach a child right from wrong not a 'football idol' so a teacher goes to jail for messing with kids is it ok for him to go back teaching when he gets out? "

Whats that gpt to do with it ?

Are you saying that anyone who served time for rape of a woman cant go into a job where there are women ?

Hows that gonna work out ?

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"apparently there is to be a press conference tomorrow at a "league 1" club with PFA leader Gordon Taylor to announce that ched evans has signed with the club....

since my 2nd team is the O's... I was worried.... but have heard 3 different League 1 teams mentioned in the last 2 hrs

so without going into the "appeal process" that may be coming (we have had that in various other threads in the last couple of months!) my question is this:

"At this point in time, would you support your football club signing him?"

for me, I think I would feel so strongly as to not go, and give back my season ticket!

I know that no one person is bigger than the club I love... but that would be too unpalatable for me....

I would yes, sorry but he served his time like everyone else who leaves prison and gets back into work its up to a parent to teach a child right from wrong not a 'football idol' so a teacher goes to jail for messing with kids is it ok for him to go back teaching when he gets out?

Whats that gpt to do with it ?

Are you saying that anyone who served time for rape of a woman cant go into a job where there are women ?

Hows that gonna work out ?"
i think if you have done that sort of crime you shouldnt be out full stop they should have there fucking heads cut off and put on a pole for all to see

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

On the legal and law forums there is an overwhelming sentiment that this conviction will be overturned."

Sounds like personal opinion rather than legal argument, particularly as his appeal was refused and his website is scrambling around for more 'evidence'. The evidence as it stands upholds his conviction.

Not sure how anyone with legal training could believe it'll be overturned. She obviously lacked capacity. People who lack capacity cannot give consent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The victim claims she was blind d*unk, I suggest people go to the Ched Evans website and watch the video of this supposedly blind d*unk girl walking quite normally of her own free will into the hotel

Yet when Evans abd his co-accused left the hotel they told the staff to keep an eye on her because of the state she was in. Evans' apologists like to focus in the CCTV rather than that fact

Nobody seems to be able to explain how Evans obtained the footage either

What does it matter where the CCTV came from? Also with regard to a previous point you allege that he was guilty because of his predatory behaviour? .... Predatory behaviour is not a criminal offence and indeed it is such a necessary attribute to the male species of the human race that without this trait we would still be living in caves.

I think that you are having difficulty separating what is unquestionably pugnacious, odious and despicable behaviour and whether or not Ched Evans did actually commit an offence punishable by law.

On the legal and law forums there is an overwhelming sentiment that this conviction will be overturned."

What does it matter where tge CCTV came from? Maybe think about it?

Also you probably need to think about 'beyond reasonable doubt' as to why his co-accused was acquited? Which is alao why Evans' predatory behaviour is so damming.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

On the legal and law forums there is an overwhelming sentiment that this conviction will be overturned.

Sounds like personal opinion rather than legal argument, particularly as his appeal was refused and his website is scrambling around for more 'evidence'. The evidence as it stands upholds his conviction.

Not sure how anyone with legal training could believe it'll be overturned. She obviously lacked capacity. People who lack capacity cannot give consent."

I'm interested to know who posts on those forums. I can't believe many in the legal profession would publucally make such claims about this or any other case

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"

On the legal and law forums there is an overwhelming sentiment that this conviction will be overturned.

Sounds like personal opinion rather than legal argument, particularly as his appeal was refused and his website is scrambling around for more 'evidence'. The evidence as it stands upholds his conviction.

Not sure how anyone with legal training could believe it'll be overturned. She obviously lacked capacity. People who lack capacity cannot give consent.

I'm interested to know who posts on those forums. I can't believe many in the legal profession would publucally make such claims about this or any other case"

Aviation forums talk and speculate about aviation.

Boating forums talk and speculate about boating.

Petrol heads forums talk and speculate about cars

Law and legal forums talk and speculate about matters of law.

There is no reason for anyone not to talk or speculate about the Evans case because it is not sub justice and restrictions do not apply when a case is under CCRC review. On the contrary, there are plenty of brownie points and much Kudos for a contributor on a law forum to predict the outcome of a review.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"

On the legal and law forums there is an overwhelming sentiment that this conviction will be overturned.

Sounds like personal opinion rather than legal argument, particularly as his appeal was refused and his website is scrambling around for more 'evidence'. The evidence as it stands upholds his conviction.

Not sure how anyone with legal training could believe it'll be overturned. She obviously lacked capacity. People who lack capacity cannot give consent."

You have been told why, but your mind is closed to the suggestion that he can be anything but guilty.

Fortunately the professions in science and law are generally populated by people who have an open mind because the cost to them of being wrong is so great.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If I remember rightly she was d*unk and he took advantage. This happens every weekend in every town or city countless times. "

Oh so thats OK then .. she deserved to be raped. Outstanding! And because others have the same lack of respect and attitude to women that this rapist had that makes it OK as well?

The man is a convicted rapist. PERIOD! He gave up any rights to a public life of any sort when he forced his cock into that girl against her will. He brutally took advantage because his football ego said he could do whatever he liked and it was was 'OK'. Like you just said. But its NOT 'OK'.

But then this is football. So all decency and honesty goes right out the window. And why I despise everything about football.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago


"He should go out and get a normal job like the rest of us.. He raped a woman his football time is over. Kids used to look up to him and in court he could not give a shit .. What a wanker "

Back of the net mate ... (excuse the pun)

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Absolutely not. There are some crimes which are too serious to allow the perpetrator to return to a public role or a position of responsibility. Would they also sign a convicted murderer? An armed robber? A paedophile?

Beggars belief that they'd sign a convicted rapist!"

How is being a footballer being a position of responsibility?!

Like others have said he served the time deemed relevant for the crime he committed. Why should society impose further punishment on him by not allowing him a job? If he wasn't a footballer you would have no idea what job he was given. Hundreds of ex prisoners are employed after leaving prison every year under the rehabilitation of convicts act (or something similar I cant remember!)

If he was to never have amother job and someone revealed he's been on the dole for years you'd all be outraged about that as well!

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over a year ago


" Very selective opinion. The issue at hand is that in future, d*unken consent (which is currently consent) can be ignored and d*unken sex prosecuted as rape.

This has significant connotations for most of the nations youth."

It an opinion on one fact. It is by definition 'selective'...

However the issue here is not about some technical minutiae of a definition of d*unkenness. with respect the issue is about 'CONSENT'. If a woman syas 'No' and you carry on its Rape.

If a woman cannot say 'Yes' let alone 'No' and you carry on its Rape.

If you don't even bother to ask and do it its Rape.

And yes it DOES have ramifications for the d*unken minority. It says a) don't get d*unk and b) don't Rape women. Or men come to that. Two good lessons for these morons to learn.

So with respect my 'opinion' is you are trying to excuse the inexcusable because you are either blind to the seriousness of Rape, you think Rape is OK or you are trying to blow a smokescreen. I don't care which it is. I think you are wrong.

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" Very selective opinion. The issue at hand is that in future, d*unken consent (which is currently consent) can be ignored and d*unken sex prosecuted as rape.

This has significant connotations for most of the nations youth.

It an opinion on one fact. It is by definition 'selective'...

However the issue here is not about some technical minutiae of a definition of d*unkenness. with respect the issue is about 'CONSENT'. If a woman syas 'No' and you carry on its Rape.

If a woman cannot say 'Yes' let alone 'No' and you carry on its Rape.

If you don't even bother to ask and do it its Rape.

And yes it DOES have ramifications for the d*unken minority. It says a) don't get d*unk and b) don't Rape women. Or men come to that. Two good lessons for these morons to learn.

So with respect my 'opinion' is you are trying to excuse the inexcusable because you are either blind to the seriousness of Rape, you think Rape is OK or you are trying to blow a smokescreen. I don't care which it is. I think you are wrong."

ok so the girl in question never accused him of rape but in response

Two people have a drink the girl says yes but is d*unk forgets the next day cant remember is that rape....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

^^ id so half the clubbing scene are rapists

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over a year ago


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How is being a footballer being a position of responsibility?!

Like others have said he served the time deemed relevant for the crime he committed. Why should society impose further punishment on him by not allowing him a job? If he wasn't a footballer you would have no idea what job he was given. Hundreds of ex prisoners are employed after leaving prison every year under the rehabilitation of convicts act (or something similar I cant remember!)

If he was to never have amother job and someone revealed he's been on the dole for years you'd all be outraged about that as well! "

Well the FA thinks players have more than the normal responsibility of a normal job. there is the offence of 'Bringing the game into disrepute'. And this twat certainly did that.

Footballers are public figures. They are role models to young children and especially to young men. They are paid outrageous sums of money because they are not 'normal jobs'. Therefore the footballer should behave accordingly and take responsibility for his actions. (And before anyone gets sexist we are talking here about a male footballer OK?)

To allow this Rapist to return to the world of football sends the wrong messages. And sorry but no one is denying him the right to a job. Its just he should never play football again. He is a fit young man and we need labourers. He can do that ...

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" Very selective opinion. The issue at hand is that in future, d*unken consent (which is currently consent) can be ignored and d*unken sex prosecuted as rape.

This has significant connotations for most of the nations youth.

It an opinion on one fact. It is by definition 'selective'...

However the issue here is not about some technical minutiae of a definition of d*unkenness. with respect the issue is about 'CONSENT'. If a woman syas 'No' and you carry on its Rape.

If a woman cannot say 'Yes' let alone 'No' and you carry on its Rape.

If you don't even bother to ask and do it its Rape.

And yes it DOES have ramifications for the d*unken minority. It says a) don't get d*unk and b) don't Rape women. Or men come to that. Two good lessons for these morons to learn.

So with respect my 'opinion' is you are trying to excuse the inexcusable because you are either blind to the seriousness of Rape, you think Rape is OK or you are trying to blow a smokescreen. I don't care which it is. I think you are wrong.

ok so the girl in question never accused him of rape but in response

Two people have a drink the girl says yes but is d*unk forgets the next day cant remember is that rape.... "

As the co-accused was acquiited in those circumstances what do you think the answer is?

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield


"I think were all presuming he did this, remember the Birmingham six and the Guildford Four, the girl was in his room for a reason, and theres been lots of occasions when girls have cried rape, resulting in the person being jailed then found innocent on appeal "

To be fair on the girl, she did not cry rape. I may be wrong but I don't believe she made any allegations of that nature.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Two people have a drink the girl says yes but is d*unk forgets the next day cant remember is that rape.... "

In a word yes. I am amazed you even need to ask. If she is THAT d*unk then any respectful guy would get her a cab and send her home. But maybe if you are so desperate for a shag then taking advantage of a d*unken girl will do. Oh wait ... thats Rape isn't it?

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over a year ago

... and no one has mentioned this fine upstanding moral pillar of the footballing community had a girlfriend at the time.

But I guess cheating on a loved one is just as OK as Rape in the football world ...

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over a year ago

He may have served prison sentence but his victim will have this with her for the rest of her life. She gets no parole.

Why should he be rewarded with footballer mega pay while she gets abuse and has to deal with the emotional effects

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so how come one got a rape charge and the other guy didnt.. presuming no further alcohol was consumed after they left the club (or where ever they were)

thinking also it takes the body 1 hour to eliminate 1 unit.. if ched went 2nd,, wasnt she more sober at that point?

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over a year ago


"He may have served prison sentence but his victim will have this with her for the rest of her life. She gets no parole.

Why should he be rewarded with footballer mega pay while she gets abuse and has to deal with the emotional effects"

Have what for the rest of her life??? She cant remember..

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


" Very selective opinion. The issue at hand is that in future, d*unken consent (which is currently consent) can be ignored and d*unken sex prosecuted as rape.

This has significant connotations for most of the nations youth.

It an opinion on one fact. It is by definition 'selective'...

However the issue here is not about some technical minutiae of a definition of d*unkenness. with respect the issue is about 'CONSENT'. If a woman syas 'No' and you carry on its Rape.

If a woman cannot say 'Yes' let alone 'No' and you carry on its Rape.

If you don't even bother to ask and do it its Rape.

And yes it DOES have ramifications for the d*unken minority. It says a) don't get d*unk and b) don't Rape women. Or men come to that. Two good lessons for these morons to learn.

So with respect my 'opinion' is you are trying to excuse the inexcusable because you are either blind to the seriousness of Rape, you think Rape is OK or you are trying to blow a smokescreen. I don't care which it is. I think you are wrong."

You have clearly not read the transcript and this is why you have set yourself in a position of being absolutely right. There are more questions than answers and as has been said countless times over his guilt is based on her inability to give consent. The amount of alcohol that she drank and when she had her last drink has not been argued by anyone.

The point of law is that based on when she has her last drink, she cannot have been more d*unk at the time of Evans offence than when the co-defendant had sex with her. She cannot therefore have given consent when she was more d*unk and be unable to give consent when she was less d*unk.

As was stated earlier, take a look at the CCTV footage in the take away, she was clearly more d*unk then than when she entered the hotel and this is physiologically because of the amount of time that had passed since she had her last drink.

In respect of the two accused, they must both be guilty, or both be innocent. She simply cannot have been more d*unk with Evans and the Judge rather seriously omitted to mention that the victim could have given d*unken consent to the co accused.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"... and no one has mentioned this fine upstanding moral pillar of the footballing community had a girlfriend at the time.

But I guess cheating on a loved one is just as OK as Rape in the football world ... "

You are giving away your prejudices here. This is not about repugnant behaviour no matter how much it might offend.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"He may have served prison sentence but his victim will have this with her for the rest of her life. She gets no parole.

Why should he be rewarded with footballer mega pay while she gets abuse and has to deal with the emotional effects"

Because he is a footballer and she isn't?

No matter what career he went back into her situation won't change. It's a horrible ordeal for her to deal with but it is for her to deal with through support and counselling etc.

I dint know much about the different leagues etc in football so can't comment on his potential pay and career etc. I'm sure someone will enlighten me.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"He may have served prison sentence but his victim will have this with her for the rest of her life. She gets no parole.

Why should he be rewarded with footballer mega pay while she gets abuse and has to deal with the emotional effects"

Actually I have some sympathy for her as I don't think that she would have pursued this had it not been for NW Police and The CPS being so determined to pursue this case.

My personal opinion is the the CCRC will overturn the conviction and Evans will get a huge payout. The victim will also get compensation for what she has been through and I just hope that those responsible at NW Police and the CPS get appropriate punishment for pursuing this.

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over a year ago


"He may have served prison sentence but his victim will have this with her for the rest of her life. She gets no parole.

Why should he be rewarded with footballer mega pay while she gets abuse and has to deal with the emotional effects

Actually I have some sympathy for her as I don't think that she would have pursued this had it not been for NW Police and The CPS being so determined to pursue this case.

My personal opinion is the the CCRC will overturn the conviction and Evans will get a huge payout. The victim will also get compensation for what she has been through and I just hope that those responsible at NW Police and the CPS get appropriate punishment for pursuing this."

Can't agree more with this post ( and their prvious posts) except that :

the Police, The CPS and the Jurors will get away scott free from any repercussions.

See also the "Tiger Sex Cartoon" issue for the real CPS agenda in such matters.

Good luck to the bloke, hope he perfoms well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One could also mention that if a "supporter" would dump his/her season ticket over such a single issue/event, one could also expect that supporter to dump the entirety of the whole of the NFL over their shenanigans.

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By *kin BohnerMan
over a year ago

derby

He may well have served his time so should be allowed to resume his career but... He continues to accept any guilt and refuses to apologise or show any contrition. Rape is a heinous crime and until he accepts his guilt he should not be able to resume a normal life.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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as it stands now and until his appeal his heard he is still under the law a convicted rapist and any club who signs him is in my opinion totally lacking in any sort of empathy for victims of rape..

after the appeal is a different matter..

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over a year ago


"as it stands now and until his appeal his heard he is still under the law a convicted rapist and any club who signs him is in my opinion totally lacking in any sort of empathy for victims of rape..

after the appeal is a different matter..

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Kinda what I think about it as well.

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over a year ago


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On the legal and law forums there is an overwhelming sentiment that this conviction will be overturned.

Sounds like personal opinion rather than legal argument, particularly as his appeal was refused and his website is scrambling around for more 'evidence'. The evidence as it stands upholds his conviction.

Not sure how anyone with legal training could believe it'll be overturned. She obviously lacked capacity. People who lack capacity cannot give consent.

You have been told why, but your mind is closed to the suggestion that he can be anything but guilty.

Fortunately the professions in science and law are generally populated by people who have an open mind because the cost to them of being wrong is so great."

D*unken consent is invalid if the person lacks capacity. So d*unken consent does not always constitute consent. On the contrary, d*unken consent is more likely to be invalid and the onus on the recipient to check its validity.

You said she can't have been more d*unk upon Evans arrival than when she agreed to go to the room with Mr McDonald - not true for reasons I've stated.

So what on what grounds can it be overturned?

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"as it stands now and until his appeal his heard he is still under the law a convicted rapist and any club who signs him is in my opinion totally lacking in any sort of empathy for victims of rape..

after the appeal is a different matter..

"

It is not an appeal. It is a whole case review by the criminal case review board. This is different to an appeal as it reviews the ethics of the case including the Judge, prosecution and defence submissions.

He has already tried to appeal twice and failed because no new evidence was submitted. The review is not about new evidence, just about the safety of the trial and conviction.

The issues at hand are about d*unken consent and why the Judge did not advise the jury of the meaning of d*unken consent and also the issue of the first defendant being found innocent and the second being found guilty despite her being less d*unk at the time of the second offence.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"as it stands now and until his appeal his heard he is still under the law a convicted rapist and any club who signs him is in my opinion totally lacking in any sort of empathy for victims of rape..

after the appeal is a different matter..

It is not an appeal. It is a whole case review by the criminal case review board. This is different to an appeal as it reviews the ethics of the case including the Judge, prosecution and defence submissions.

He has already tried to appeal twice and failed because no new evidence was submitted. The review is not about new evidence, just about the safety of the trial and conviction.

The issues at hand are about d*unken consent and why the Judge did not advise the jury of the meaning of d*unken consent and also the issue of the first defendant being found innocent and the second being found guilty despite her being less d*unk at the time of the second offence."

Thanks for the clarification, however regardless of whatever the case review is based on it still stands that at this moment he is still a convicted rapist and until that changes {if indeed it does} he should be not signed by any club..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pretty sure it is Oldham !

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over a year ago


"He may well have served his time so should be allowed to resume his career but... He continues to accept any guilt and refuses to apologise or show any contrition. Rape is a heinous crime and until he accepts his guilt he should not be able to resume a normal life. "

why on earth would he accept guilt if he never did anything in his eyes wrong?

if he admits guilt and shows remorse he would stand no chance of getting the sentence changed as people would say 'well he's done it'

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over a year ago


"as it stands now and until his appeal his heard he is still under the law a convicted rapist and any club who signs him is in my opinion totally lacking in any sort of empathy for victims of rape..

after the appeal is a different matter..

It is not an appeal. It is a whole case review by the criminal case review board. This is different to an appeal as it reviews the ethics of the case including the Judge, prosecution and defence submissions.

He has already tried to appeal twice and failed because no new evidence was submitted. The review is not about new evidence, just about the safety of the trial and conviction.

The issues at hand are about d*unken consent and why the Judge did not advise the jury of the meaning of d*unken consent and also the issue of the first defendant being found innocent and the second being found guilty despite her being less d*unk at the time of the second offence.

Thanks for the clarification, however regardless of whatever the case review is based on it still stands that at this moment he is still a convicted rapist and until that changes {if indeed it does} he should be not signed by any club..

"

That's right a convicted rapist who has served the sentence he was given and is now free to restart his footballing career.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"as it stands now and until his appeal his heard he is still under the law a convicted rapist and any club who signs him is in my opinion totally lacking in any sort of empathy for victims of rape..

after the appeal is a different matter..

It is not an appeal. It is a whole case review by the criminal case review board. This is different to an appeal as it reviews the ethics of the case including the Judge, prosecution and defence submissions.

He has already tried to appeal twice and failed because no new evidence was submitted. The review is not about new evidence, just about the safety of the trial and conviction.

The issues at hand are about d*unken consent and why the Judge did not advise the jury of the meaning of d*unken consent and also the issue of the first defendant being found innocent and the second being found guilty despite her being less d*unk at the time of the second offence.

Thanks for the clarification, however regardless of whatever the case review is based on it still stands that at this moment he is still a convicted rapist and until that changes {if indeed it does} he should be not signed by any club..

"

This is the point that I made earlier. He is being made a special case outside of the laws of this land. Being a sportsman is not on the list of employment activities that would preclude a person on the sex offenders register.

Just because you and many other people think that he should be subject of mob rule as opposed to the law of the land is not in my opinion right.

If he was found guilty and did not serve any sentence at all, we would all be quite rightly up in arms that the law had been changed to benefit him. By the same token, we should not now be trying to enact mob law to persecute him when the Courts and Justice system say that he has been rehabilitated, is out on licence and free to secure employment.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"as it stands now and until his appeal his heard he is still under the law a convicted rapist and any club who signs him is in my opinion totally lacking in any sort of empathy for victims of rape..

after the appeal is a different matter..

It is not an appeal. It is a whole case review by the criminal case review board. This is different to an appeal as it reviews the ethics of the case including the Judge, prosecution and defence submissions.

He has already tried to appeal twice and failed because no new evidence was submitted. The review is not about new evidence, just about the safety of the trial and conviction.

The issues at hand are about d*unken consent and why the Judge did not advise the jury of the meaning of d*unken consent and also the issue of the first defendant being found innocent and the second being found guilty despite her being less d*unk at the time of the second offence.

Thanks for the clarification, however regardless of whatever the case review is based on it still stands that at this moment he is still a convicted rapist and until that changes {if indeed it does} he should be not signed by any club..

That's right a convicted rapist who has served the sentence he was given and is now free to restart his footballing career."

And just watch the tabloids and media change their tune if/when the conviction is overturned. One day he will be the unrepentant rapist footballer and the next day he will be the footballer who always maintained his innocence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If, and hopefully when, his conviction is overturned, i wonder if the 150,000+ people who've since stuck the knife into him will consider a minute's applause the very next time he runs onto the pitch to continue his profession. I doubt many will.

I wish him well.

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over a year ago


"as it stands now and until his appeal his heard he is still under the law a convicted rapist and any club who signs him is in my opinion totally lacking in any sort of empathy for victims of rape..

after the appeal is a different matter..

It is not an appeal. It is a whole case review by the criminal case review board. This is different to an appeal as it reviews the ethics of the case including the Judge, prosecution and defence submissions.

He has already tried to appeal twice and failed because no new evidence was submitted. The review is not about new evidence, just about the safety of the trial and conviction.

The issues at hand are about d*unken consent and why the Judge did not advise the jury of the meaning of d*unken consent and also the issue of the first defendant being found innocent and the second being found guilty despite her being less d*unk at the time of the second offence.

Thanks for the clarification, however regardless of whatever the case review is based on it still stands that at this moment he is still a convicted rapist and until that changes {if indeed it does} he should be not signed by any club..

That's right a convicted rapist who has served the sentence he was given and is now free to restart his footballing career.

And just watch the tabloids and media change their tune if/when the conviction is overturned. One day he will be the unrepentant rapist footballer and the next day he will be the footballer who always maintained his innocence."

I'd love to see how the rent-a-mob on here would react to that outcome as well

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"

If, and hopefully when, his conviction is overturned, i wonder if the 150,000+ people who've since stuck the knife into him will consider a minute's applause the very next time he runs onto the pitch to continue his profession. I doubt many will.

I wish him well. "

Clearly they won't because their assessment of his guilt is based on an emotional reaction to what was unquestionably quite odious behaviour on his part.

Fortunately in this country, the law disregards personality and character and looks only at evidence. I guess the song will go something like... " Ched Evans, we know what you are..." No matter what happens.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"

This is the point that I made earlier. He is being made a special case outside of the laws of this land. Being a sportsman is not on the list of employment activities that would preclude a person on the sex offenders register.

Just because you and many other people think that he should be subject of mob rule as opposed to the law of the land is not in my opinion right.

If he was found guilty and did not serve any sentence at all, we would all be quite rightly up in arms that the law had been changed to benefit him. By the same token, we should not now be trying to enact mob law to persecute him when the Courts and Justice system say that he has been rehabilitated, is out on licence and free to secure employment. "

then perhaps those in society who think that 'sportsmen' should be added to the list of exclusion from being employed in such a profession should raise the issue with whomever..

as for 'mob rule', you are wrong if you assume i am of that mindset..

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over a year ago


"

He has already tried to appeal twice and failed because no new evidence was submitted. The review is not about new evidence, just about the safety of the trial and conviction.

The issues at hand are about d*unken consent and why the Judge did not advise the jury of the meaning of d*unken consent and also the issue of the first defendant being found innocent and the second being found guilty despite her being less d*unk at the time of the second offence. "

Where does it say this?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"

That's right a convicted rapist who has served the sentence he was given and is now free to restart his footballing career."

why is it that some appear to excuse the act of rape because of the rapists profession..?

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By *kin BohnerMan
over a year ago

derby


"He may well have served his time so should be allowed to resume his career but... He continues to accept any guilt and refuses to apologise or show any contrition. Rape is a heinous crime and until he accepts his guilt he should not be able to resume a normal life.

why on earth would he accept guilt if he never did anything in his eyes wrong?

if he admits guilt and shows remorse he would stand no chance of getting the sentence changed as people would say 'well he's done it'"

He was found guilty in a court of law and went to prison. On his release he put out a video statement practically blaming the woman for the rape! He is a despicable low life and should not be in a position to be role model for young lads.

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"He may well have served his time so should be allowed to resume his career but... He continues to accept any guilt and refuses to apologise or show any contrition. Rape is a heinous crime and until he accepts his guilt he should not be able to resume a normal life.

why on earth would he accept guilt if he never did anything in his eyes wrong?

if he admits guilt and shows remorse he would stand no chance of getting the sentence changed as people would say 'well he's done it'

He was found guilty in a court of law and went to prison. On his release he put out a video statement practically blaming the woman for the rape! He is a despicable low life and should not be in a position to be role model for young lads. "

Would you be more correct if you stated that he blamed the woman for giving consent?

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"He may well have served his time so should be allowed to resume his career but... He continues to accept any guilt and refuses to apologise or show any contrition. Rape is a heinous crime and until he accepts his guilt he should not be able to resume a normal life.

why on earth would he accept guilt if he never did anything in his eyes wrong?

if he admits guilt and shows remorse he would stand no chance of getting the sentence changed as people would say 'well he's done it'

He was found guilty in a court of law and went to prison. On his release he put out a video statement practically blaming the woman for the rape! He is a despicable low life and should not be in a position to be role model for young lads.

Would you be more correct if you stated that he blamed the woman for giving consent? "

This is where education of other young men is vital and why he believes, incorrectly, that he is innocent. Legally a d*unk, incapacitated woman cannot give consent.

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"

That's right a convicted rapist who has served the sentence he was given and is now free to restart his footballing career.

why is it that some appear to excuse the act of rape because of the rapists profession..?

"

How has he been excused? He was convicted and served a prison sentence.

You would appear to want to further punishment simply because of his chosen profession. Ok for a bank manager to be a rapist but not a footballer in your world?

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"He may well have served his time so should be allowed to resume his career but... He continues to accept any guilt and refuses to apologise or show any contrition. Rape is a heinous crime and until he accepts his guilt he should not be able to resume a normal life.

why on earth would he accept guilt if he never did anything in his eyes wrong?

if he admits guilt and shows remorse he would stand no chance of getting the sentence changed as people would say 'well he's done it'

He was found guilty in a court of law and went to prison. On his release he put out a video statement practically blaming the woman for the rape! He is a despicable low life and should not be in a position to be role model for young lads.

Would you be more correct if you stated that he blamed the woman for giving consent?

This is where education of other young men is vital and why he believes, incorrectly, that he is innocent. Legally a d*unk, incapacitated woman cannot give consent. "

So the other footballer raped her?

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By (user no longer on site)
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"

That's right a convicted rapist who has served the sentence he was given and is now free to restart his footballing career.

why is it that some appear to excuse the act of rape because of the rapists profession..?

How has he been excused? He was convicted and served a prison sentence.

You would appear to want to further punishment simply because of his chosen profession. Ok for a bank manager to be a rapist but not a footballer in your world?"

Which banks hire convicted rapists?!

Councils, corporations, public sector bodies and professions all refrain from hiring those with serious convictions.

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By (user no longer on site)
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"

That's right a convicted rapist who has served the sentence he was given and is now free to restart his footballing career.

why is it that some appear to excuse the act of rape because of the rapists profession..?

How has he been excused? He was convicted and served a prison sentence.

You would appear to want to further punishment simply because of his chosen profession. Ok for a bank manager to be a rapist but not a footballer in your world?

Which banks hire convicted rapists?!

Councils, corporations, public sector bodies and professions all refrain from hiring those with serious convictions. "

That may have a little to do with the matter that those in public bodies responsible for serious abuse rarely if ever face any consequences, more likley to be paid off under secretive agreements.

Rotherham anyone? Many others no doubt.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"

He has already tried to appeal twice and failed because no new evidence was submitted. The review is not about new evidence, just about the safety of the trial and conviction.

The issues at hand are about d*unken consent and why the Judge did not advise the jury of the meaning of d*unken consent and also the issue of the first defendant being found innocent and the second being found guilty despite her being less d*unk at the time of the second offence.

Where does it say this?

"

Tell you what. Rather than arguing with you why don't you go to the website that has all the trial evidence and there you will find some things that are not in question. For example, how much alcohol she consumed, when she had her last drink and the time elapsed between her last drink, meeting the co-accused co-defendant and had sex with him. This moment was the time that it could be argued that she was incapable of giving consent albeit the CCTV footage of her entering the Premier Inn showed her to be much steadier than she had been earlier in the takeaway. In summing up the Judge did not indicate that the victim could have given d*unken consent to the co-defendant, had he done so and the Jury still found one guilty and one innocent then the CCRC review would be a more difficult battle for the defence. As it is, d*unken consent guidance was not issued because the prosecution alleged that both defendants were guilty of rape on the basis that she was too d*unk to consent.

From the case notes it was stated when and how much she had to drink and at the time of the offence with Evans that she had consumed four double vodka and a shot of Sambuca in the run up to approximately 3.30am when she lost her friends and went to a take away. She met the co-defendant at just after 4am outside the take away and Evans turned up In the room around 45 mins later. She was estimated to be two and a half times above the dink drive limit and clearly did not have a belly full of alcohol by 4.45am.

The defence will argue that the victim could not have been more d*unk when she met Evans than when she met the co-defendant. In the very worst case, she could have been as d*unk and therefore inability to consent should apply to both defendants.

You ask where is all this written. I can't tell you or show you how the defence will present its case to the CCRC but I have followed this since 2012 and I am aware of the thrust of the argument.

Please do yourself a favour and read both the case notes and the Evans website. The case notes are impartial but you will need to read between the lines of the Evans website as it is clearly prejudiced.

Notwithstanding the prejudice, the Evans website accurately reflects the issues that are not in question. In my mind, as a non Sheffield United football supporter and interested observer I would say that at the very least the conviction is questionable, but we will see in the end.

Happy reading

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"He may well have served his time so should be allowed to resume his career but... He continues to accept any guilt and refuses to apologise or show any contrition. Rape is a heinous crime and until he accepts his guilt he should not be able to resume a normal life.

why on earth would he accept guilt if he never did anything in his eyes wrong?

if he admits guilt and shows remorse he would stand no chance of getting the sentence changed as people would say 'well he's done it'

He was found guilty in a court of law and went to prison. On his release he put out a video statement practically blaming the woman for the rape! He is a despicable low life and should not be in a position to be role model for young lads.

Would you be more correct if you stated that he blamed the woman for giving consent?

This is where education of other young men is vital and why he believes, incorrectly, that he is innocent. Legally a d*unk, incapacitated woman cannot give consent.

So the other footballer raped her?

"

Just because there was insufficient evidence to prove he did, doesn't mean he didn't. Clearly she went with him to the hotel room, which makes it harder to prove rape obviously, which is why he was acquitted.

As far as Ched Evans goes, she didn't go with him or invite him there. Where is the consent to him specifically, explicit or implied?

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over a year ago


"

Councils, corporations, public sector bodies and professions all refrain from hiring those with serious convictions. "

Seriously? How about the Barrister who was convicted of the Serious Crime of Perverting the Course of Justice, "stiking at the heart of justice itself (CPS) and sentenced to 5 months imprisonment.

IIRC was released from jail early as unfit to serve his time and yet was WORKING in that very profession again within days.

One would think that such a person would never be able to work in that profession again. Ever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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That's right a convicted rapist who has served the sentence he was given and is now free to restart his footballing career.

why is it that some appear to excuse the act of rape because of the rapists profession..?

How has he been excused? He was convicted and served a prison sentence.

You would appear to want to further punishment simply because of his chosen profession. Ok for a bank manager to be a rapist but not a footballer in your world?

Which banks hire convicted rapists?!

Councils, corporations, public sector bodies and professions all refrain from hiring those with serious convictions. "

Accountants, solicitors, vets to name but some professionals are not barred, it is up to the employer's discretion

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"

He has already tried to appeal twice and failed because no new evidence was submitted. The review is not about new evidence, just about the safety of the trial and conviction.

The issues at hand are about d*unken consent and why the Judge did not advise the jury of the meaning of d*unken consent and also the issue of the first defendant being found innocent and the second being found guilty despite her being less d*unk at the time of the second offence.

Where does it say this?

Tell you what. Rather than arguing with you why don't you go to the website that has all the trial evidence and there you will find some things that are not in question. For example, how much alcohol she consumed, when she had her last drink and the time elapsed between her last drink, meeting the co-accused co-defendant and had sex with him. This moment was the time that it could be argued that she was incapable of giving consent albeit the CCTV footage of her entering the Premier Inn showed her to be much steadier than she had been earlier in the takeaway. In summing up the Judge did not indicate that the victim could have given d*unken consent to the co-defendant, had he done so and the Jury still found one guilty and one innocent then the CCRC review would be a more difficult battle for the defence. As it is, d*unken consent guidance was not issued because the prosecution alleged that both defendants were guilty of rape on the basis that she was too d*unk to consent.

From the case notes it was stated when and how much she had to drink and at the time of the offence with Evans that she had consumed four double vodka and a shot of Sambuca in the run up to approximately 3.30am when she lost her friends and went to a take away. She met the co-defendant at just after 4am outside the take away and Evans turned up In the room around 45 mins later. She was estimated to be two and a half times above the dink drive limit and clearly did not have a belly full of alcohol by 4.45am.

The defence will argue that the victim could not have been more d*unk when she met Evans than when she met the co-defendant. In the very worst case, she could have been as d*unk and therefore inability to consent should apply to both defendants.

You ask where is all this written. I can't tell you or show you how the defence will present its case to the CCRC but I have followed this since 2012 and I am aware of the thrust of the argument.

Please do yourself a favour and read both the case notes and the Evans website. The case notes are impartial but you will need to read between the lines of the Evans website as it is clearly prejudiced.

Notwithstanding the prejudice, the Evans website accurately reflects the issues that are not in question. In my mind, as a non Sheffield United football supporter and interested observer I would say that at the very least the conviction is questionable, but we will see in the end.

Happy reading "

I've read the case notes on crimeline, the case transcript and Ched Evans website many times before today thanks.

She was sick from alcohol at 4.45 am when Mr McDonald told the night watchman to look out for her as she was sick. So at that point lacked capacity. So at what time do you hypothesise that she lost her ability to consent (capacity)?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"apparently there is to be a press conference tomorrow at a "league 1" club with PFA leader Gordon Taylor to announce that ched evans has signed with the club....

since my 2nd team is the O's... I was worried.... but have heard 3 different League 1 teams mentioned in the last 2 hrs

so without going into the "appeal process" that may be coming (we have had that in various other threads in the last couple of months!) my question is this:

"At this point in time, would you support your football club signing him?"

for me, I think I would feel so strongly as to not go, and give back my season ticket!

I know that no one person is bigger than the club I love... but that would be too unpalatable for me....

I would yes, sorry but he served his time like everyone else who leaves prison and gets back into work its up to a parent to teach a child right from wrong not a 'football idol'"

And would you employ him or treat him like a good honest bloke if he worked alongside you? Its all personal views. But if someone says he is reformed and wipe the slate clean on rape to go on to say give him a role model job which affords a luxury lifestyle needs to think about all sex offenders. Have you bought gary glitters greatest hits recently or waiting for the lost prophets to regroup?

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By *kin BohnerMan
over a year ago

derby


"He may well have served his time so should be allowed to resume his career but... He continues to accept any guilt and refuses to apologise or show any contrition. Rape is a heinous crime and until he accepts his guilt he should not be able to resume a normal life.

why on earth would he accept guilt if he never did anything in his eyes wrong?

if he admits guilt and shows remorse he would stand no chance of getting the sentence changed as people would say 'well he's done it'

He was found guilty in a court of law and went to prison. On his release he put out a video statement practically blaming the woman for the rape! He is a despicable low life and should not be in a position to be role model for young lads.

Would you be more correct if you stated that he blamed the woman for giving consent? "

Wrong, the woman was incapable of giving consent. No consent is rape no if buts or maybe.

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"He may well have served his time so should be allowed to resume his career but... He continues to accept any guilt and refuses to apologise or show any contrition. Rape is a heinous crime and until he accepts his guilt he should not be able to resume a normal life.

why on earth would he accept guilt if he never did anything in his eyes wrong?

if he admits guilt and shows remorse he would stand no chance of getting the sentence changed as people would say 'well he's done it'

He was found guilty in a court of law and went to prison. On his release he put out a video statement practically blaming the woman for the rape! He is a despicable low life and should not be in a position to be role model for young lads.

Would you be more correct if you stated that he blamed the woman for giving consent?

Wrong, the woman was incapable of giving consent. No consent is rape no if buts or maybe. "

Wrong, the Judge gave judgement that the woman was "incapicated", incapable of giving consent.

So the other footballer raped this incapacitated woman too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

He has already tried to appeal twice and failed because no new evidence was submitted. The review is not about new evidence, just about the safety of the trial and conviction.

The issues at hand are about d*unken consent and why the Judge did not advise the jury of the meaning of d*unken consent and also the issue of the first defendant being found innocent and the second being found guilty despite her being less d*unk at the time of the second offence.

Where does it say this?

Tell you what. Rather than arguing with you why don't you go to the website that has all the trial evidence and there you will find some things that are not in question. For example, how much alcohol she consumed, when she had her last drink and the time elapsed between her last drink, meeting the co-accused co-defendant and had sex with him. This moment was the time that it could be argued that she was incapable of giving consent albeit the CCTV footage of her entering the Premier Inn showed her to be much steadier than she had been earlier in the takeaway. In summing up the Judge did not indicate that the victim could have given d*unken consent to the co-defendant, had he done so and the Jury still found one guilty and one innocent then the CCRC review would be a more difficult battle for the defence. As it is, d*unken consent guidance was not issued because the prosecution alleged that both defendants were guilty of rape on the basis that she was too d*unk to consent.

From the case notes it was stated when and how much she had to drink and at the time of the offence with Evans that she had consumed four double vodka and a shot of Sambuca in the run up to approximately 3.30am when she lost her friends and went to a take away. She met the co-defendant at just after 4am outside the take away and Evans turned up In the room around 45 mins later. She was estimated to be two and a half times above the dink drive limit and clearly did not have a belly full of alcohol by 4.45am.

The defence will argue that the victim could not have been more d*unk when she met Evans than when she met the co-defendant. In the very worst case, she could have been as d*unk and therefore inability to consent should apply to both defendants.

You ask where is all this written. I can't tell you or show you how the defence will present its case to the CCRC but I have followed this since 2012 and I am aware of the thrust of the argument.

Please do yourself a favour and read both the case notes and the Evans website. The case notes are impartial but you will need to read between the lines of the Evans website as it is clearly prejudiced.

Notwithstanding the prejudice, the Evans website accurately reflects the issues that are not in question. In my mind, as a non Sheffield United football supporter and interested observer I would say that at the very least the conviction is questionable, but we will see in the end.

Happy reading "

You honestly think that a website set up by Ched Evans to convince people of his innocence offers an accurate reflection of the events? You don't think it might be just a tiny bit biased in his favour?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Councils, corporations, public sector bodies and professions all refrain from hiring those with serious convictions.

Seriously? How about the Barrister who was convicted of the Serious Crime of Perverting the Course of Justice, "stiking at the heart of justice itself (CPS) and sentenced to 5 months imprisonment.

IIRC was released from jail early as unfit to serve his time and yet was WORKING in that very profession again within days.

One would think that such a person would never be able to work in that profession again. Ever.

"

You're likening perverting the course of justice to raping a woman?! That has to be one of the most mysogynistic things I've ever read!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He may well have served his time so should be allowed to resume his career but... He continues to accept any guilt and refuses to apologise or show any contrition. Rape is a heinous crime and until he accepts his guilt he should not be able to resume a normal life.

why on earth would he accept guilt if he never did anything in his eyes wrong?

if he admits guilt and shows remorse he would stand no chance of getting the sentence changed as people would say 'well he's done it'

He was found guilty in a court of law and went to prison. On his release he put out a video statement practically blaming the woman for the rape! He is a despicable low life and should not be in a position to be role model for young lads.

Would you be more correct if you stated that he blamed the woman for giving consent?

Wrong, the woman was incapable of giving consent. No consent is rape no if buts or maybe.

Wrong, the Judge gave judgement that the woman was "incapicated", incapable of giving consent.

So the other footballer raped this incapacitated woman too?

"

I don't agree with it but they've clearly accepted that getting into a taxi with him, going for pizza etc etc as a possible implied consent. Or at least a lack of evidence to convict.

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over a year ago


"

He has already tried to appeal twice and failed because no new evidence was submitted. The review is not about new evidence, just about the safety of the trial and conviction.

The issues at hand are about d*unken consent and why the Judge did not advise the jury of the meaning of d*unken consent and also the issue of the first defendant being found innocent and the second being found guilty despite her being less d*unk at the time of the second offence.

Where does it say this?

Tell you what. Rather than arguing with you why don't you go to the website that has all the trial evidence and there you will find some things that are not in question. For example, how much alcohol she consumed, when she had her last drink and the time elapsed between her last drink, meeting the co-accused co-defendant and had sex with him. This moment was the time that it could be argued that she was incapable of giving consent albeit the CCTV footage of her entering the Premier Inn showed her to be much steadier than she had been earlier in the takeaway. In summing up the Judge did not indicate that the victim could have given d*unken consent to the co-defendant, had he done so and the Jury still found one guilty and one innocent then the CCRC review would be a more difficult battle for the defence. As it is, d*unken consent guidance was not issued because the prosecution alleged that both defendants were guilty of rape on the basis that she was too d*unk to consent.

From the case notes it was stated when and how much she had to drink and at the time of the offence with Evans that she had consumed four double vodka and a shot of Sambuca in the run up to approximately 3.30am when she lost her friends and went to a take away. She met the co-defendant at just after 4am outside the take away and Evans turned up In the room around 45 mins later. She was estimated to be two and a half times above the dink drive limit and clearly did not have a belly full of alcohol by 4.45am.

The defence will argue that the victim could not have been more d*unk when she met Evans than when she met the co-defendant. In the very worst case, she could have been as d*unk and therefore inability to consent should apply to both defendants.

You ask where is all this written. I can't tell you or show you how the defence will present its case to the CCRC but I have followed this since 2012 and I am aware of the thrust of the argument.

Please do yourself a favour and read both the case notes and the Evans website. The case notes are impartial but you will need to read between the lines of the Evans website as it is clearly prejudiced.

Notwithstanding the prejudice, the Evans website accurately reflects the issues that are not in question. In my mind, as a non Sheffield United football supporter and interested observer I would say that at the very least the conviction is questionable, but we will see in the end.

Happy reading

I've read the case notes on crimeline, the case transcript and Ched Evans website many times before today thanks.

She was sick from alcohol at 4.45 am when Mr McDonald told the night watchman to look out for her as she was sick. So at that point lacked capacity. So at what time do you hypothesise that she lost her ability to consent (capacity)?"

So everyone who has ever been sick from alcohol becomes incapacitated?

Amazing then how many, though not in this case, are so incapacitated they go on to buy even more alcohol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Since when did footballers become role models? They're no more a role model than any rock star is. It's quite frankly ludicrous to expect them to behave as such. They never have been and they never will be.

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By *imon_hydeMan
over a year ago

Stockport


"Since when did footballers become role models? They're no more a role model than any rock star is. It's quite frankly ludicrous to expect them to behave as such. They never have been and they never will be."

You're incredibly nieve

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over a year ago


"Since when did footballers become role models? They're no more a role model than any rock star is. It's quite frankly ludicrous to expect them to behave as such. They never have been and they never will be.

You're incredibly nieve"

But I can spell naive. Anyway help me understand, please explain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Councils, corporations, public sector bodies and professions all refrain from hiring those with serious convictions.

Seriously? How about the Barrister who was convicted of the Serious Crime of Perverting the Course of Justice, "stiking at the heart of justice itself (CPS) and sentenced to 5 months imprisonment.

IIRC was released from jail early as unfit to serve his time and yet was WORKING in that very profession again within days.

One would think that such a person would never be able to work in that profession again. Ever.

You're likening perverting the course of justice to raping a woman?! That has to be one of the most mysogynistic things I've ever read!"

I'm simply stating factual evidence of a Barrister quite blatantly and deliberatly lying at Court to achieve a false outcome and being convicted, on wholly unambiuous evidence, of doing so.

I suspect not in Ched Evans's case but who knows how many other Barristers' have lied to Court?

All is not what it seems.

Where does the misogyny come in to it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Councils, corporations, public sector bodies and professions all refrain from hiring those with serious convictions.

Seriously? How about the Barrister who was convicted of the Serious Crime of Perverting the Course of Justice, "stiking at the heart of justice itself (CPS) and sentenced to 5 months imprisonment.

IIRC was released from jail early as unfit to serve his time and yet was WORKING in that very profession again within days.

One would think that such a person would never be able to work in that profession again. Ever.

You're likening perverting the course of justice to raping a woman?! That has to be one of the most mysogynistic things I've ever read!

I'm simply stating factual evidence of a Barrister quite blatantly and deliberatly lying at Court to achieve a false outcome and being convicted, on wholly unambiuous evidence, of doing so.

I suspect not in Ched Evans's case but who knows how many other Barristers' have lied to Court?

All is not what it seems.

Where does the misogyny come in to it?"

ps in case it isn't clear, that Barister was a he.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He may well have served his time so should be allowed to resume his career but... He continues to accept any guilt and refuses to apologise or show any contrition. Rape is a heinous crime and until he accepts his guilt he should not be able to resume a normal life.

why on earth would he accept guilt if he never did anything in his eyes wrong?

if he admits guilt and shows remorse he would stand no chance of getting the sentence changed as people would say 'well he's done it'

He was found guilty in a court of law and went to prison. On his release he put out a video statement practically blaming the woman for the rape! He is a despicable low life and should not be in a position to be role model for young lads.

Would you be more correct if you stated that he blamed the woman for giving consent?

This is where education of other young men is vital and why he believes, incorrectly, that he is innocent. Legally a d*unk, incapacitated woman cannot give consent.

So the other footballer raped her?

Just because there was insufficient evidence to prove he did, doesn't mean he didn't. Clearly she went with him to the hotel room, which makes it harder to prove rape obviously, which is why he was acquitted.

As far as Ched Evans goes, she didn't go with him or invite him there. Where is the consent to him specifically, explicit or implied?

"

Oh so because theres insufficient evidence, this doesnt mean the other guy didnt rape her? But because evans was convicted, that must mean he did rape her then?

So basically youre happy for a decision to be taken as gospel on one case, but not the other? Or do u just want them both to be convicted rapists because it would make u feel better...

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By *kin BohnerMan
over a year ago

derby


"Since when did footballers become role models? They're no more a role model than any rock star is. It's quite frankly ludicrous to expect them to behave as such. They never have been and they never will be.

You're incredibly nieve

But I can spell naive. Anyway help me understand, please explain."

Hundreds of thousands of young kids kicking a ball about wearing their favourite players name on their back or playing in youth leagues pretending they are their idols copying their moves etc. Of course footballers are role models.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"

That's right a convicted rapist who has served the sentence he was given and is now free to restart his footballing career.

why is it that some appear to excuse the act of rape because of the rapists profession..?

How has he been excused? He was convicted and served a prison sentence.

You would appear to want to further punishment simply because of his chosen profession. Ok for a bank manager to be a rapist but not a footballer in your world?"

you appear to be sensitive, did i say you have excused him..?

perhaps you do..?

and if you can show me just where i have said anything about 'further punishment' then please do so or be quiet..

your bank manager comment is pathetic..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

He has already tried to appeal twice and failed because no new evidence was submitted. The review is not about new evidence, just about the safety of the trial and conviction.

The issues at hand are about d*unken consent and why the Judge did not advise the jury of the meaning of d*unken consent and also the issue of the first defendant being found innocent and the second being found guilty despite her being less d*unk at the time of the second offence.

Where does it say this?

Tell you what. Rather than arguing with you why don't you go to the website that has all the trial evidence and there you will find some things that are not in question. For example, how much alcohol she consumed, when she had her last drink and the time elapsed between her last drink, meeting the co-accused co-defendant and had sex with him. This moment was the time that it could be argued that she was incapable of giving consent albeit the CCTV footage of her entering the Premier Inn showed her to be much steadier than she had been earlier in the takeaway. In summing up the Judge did not indicate that the victim could have given d*unken consent to the co-defendant, had he done so and the Jury still found one guilty and one innocent then the CCRC review would be a more difficult battle for the defence. As it is, d*unken consent guidance was not issued because the prosecution alleged that both defendants were guilty of rape on the basis that she was too d*unk to consent.

From the case notes it was stated when and how much she had to drink and at the time of the offence with Evans that she had consumed four double vodka and a shot of Sambuca in the run up to approximately 3.30am when she lost her friends and went to a take away. She met the co-defendant at just after 4am outside the take away and Evans turned up In the room around 45 mins later. She was estimated to be two and a half times above the dink drive limit and clearly did not have a belly full of alcohol by 4.45am.

The defence will argue that the victim could not have been more d*unk when she met Evans than when she met the co-defendant. In the very worst case, she could have been as d*unk and therefore inability to consent should apply to both defendants.

You ask where is all this written. I can't tell you or show you how the defence will present its case to the CCRC but I have followed this since 2012 and I am aware of the thrust of the argument.

Please do yourself a favour and read both the case notes and the Evans website. The case notes are impartial but you will need to read between the lines of the Evans website as it is clearly prejudiced.

Notwithstanding the prejudice, the Evans website accurately reflects the issues that are not in question. In my mind, as a non Sheffield United football supporter and interested observer I would say that at the very least the conviction is questionable, but we will see in the end.

Happy reading

I've read the case notes on crimeline, the case transcript and Ched Evans website many times before today thanks.

She was sick from alcohol at 4.45 am when Mr McDonald told the night watchman to look out for her as she was sick. So at that point lacked capacity. So at what time do you hypothesise that she lost her ability to consent (capacity)?

So everyone who has ever been sick from alcohol becomes incapacitated?

Amazing then how many, though not in this case, are so incapacitated they go on to buy even more alcohol. "

Not everyone of course and 'sick' is a very ambiguous term. But we know she lost her memory. We know she urinated in the bed. We know she didn't get up and leave. Doesn't seem like she was coherent to me.

So what more signs must a d*unk woman exhibit to demonstrate to show she is lacking capacity?

Lack of consent may be demonstrated by:

Evidence that by reason of drink, drugs, sleep, age or mental disability the complainant was unaware of what was occurring and/ or incapable of giving valid consent;

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"

so without going into the "appeal process" that may be coming (we have had that in various other threads in the last couple of months!) my question is this:

"At this point in time, would you support your football club signing him?"

.."

Oooh, Fabio, you are naughty!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has Nigel Farage been mentioned yet ?

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"Has Nigel Farage been mentioned yet ? "

No, but if Chelsea sign Farage, I'm gonna start supportin Fulham

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He may well have served his time so should be allowed to resume his career but... He continues to accept any guilt and refuses to apologise or show any contrition. Rape is a heinous crime and until he accepts his guilt he should not be able to resume a normal life.

why on earth would he accept guilt if he never did anything in his eyes wrong?

if he admits guilt and shows remorse he would stand no chance of getting the sentence changed as people would say 'well he's done it'

He was found guilty in a court of law and went to prison. On his release he put out a video statement practically blaming the woman for the rape! He is a despicable low life and should not be in a position to be role model for young lads.

Would you be more correct if you stated that he blamed the woman for giving consent?

This is where education of other young men is vital and why he believes, incorrectly, that he is innocent. Legally a d*unk, incapacitated woman cannot give consent.

So the other footballer raped her?

Just because there was insufficient evidence to prove he did, doesn't mean he didn't. Clearly she went with him to the hotel room, which makes it harder to prove rape obviously, which is why he was acquitted.

As far as Ched Evans goes, she didn't go with him or invite him there. Where is the consent to him specifically, explicit or implied?

Oh so because theres insufficient evidence, this doesnt mean the other guy didnt rape her? But because evans was convicted, that must mean he did rape her then?

So basically youre happy for a decision to be taken as gospel on one case, but not the other? Or do u just want them both to be convicted rapists because it would make u feel better..."

The law doesn't work on feelings, it works on evidence. Evans was convicted on the basis of the evidence. Where does the evidence show she consented to him?!

My feelings on the other defendant are irrelevant. He was acquitted based on the evidence.

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By *kin BohnerMan
over a year ago

derby


"He may well have served his time so should be allowed to resume his career but... He continues to accept any guilt and refuses to apologise or show any contrition. Rape is a heinous crime and until he accepts his guilt he should not be able to resume a normal life.

why on earth would he accept guilt if he never did anything in his eyes wrong?

if he admits guilt and shows remorse he would stand no chance of getting the sentence changed as people would say 'well he's done it'

He was found guilty in a court of law and went to prison. On his release he put out a video statement practically blaming the woman for the rape! He is a despicable low life and should not be in a position to be role model for young lads.

Would you be more correct if you stated that he blamed the woman for giving consent?

Wrong, the woman was incapable of giving consent. No consent is rape no if buts or maybe.

Wrong, the Judge gave judgement that the woman was "incapicated", incapable of giving consent.

So the other footballer raped this incapacitated woman too?

"

Exactly, " incapacitated " or incapable of giving consent, its not difficult to understand. And yes maybe if the other guy had sex with her he should be up for rape as well. The law is an ass, I don't know why the second guy got away with it, how or why does anyone get away with a crime that others have done time for... I wish I knew but it happens all the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You honestly think that a website set up by Ched Evans to convince people of his innocence offers an accurate reflection of the events? You don't think it might be just a tiny bit biased in his favour?"

What?? You mean convicted rapist Ched Evans might have a less than objective view of events that night? Surely not! Still enough to convince a lot of rape apologists that everything that night was ok though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

That's right a convicted rapist who has served the sentence he was given and is now free to restart his footballing career.

why is it that some appear to excuse the act of rape because of the rapists profession..?

How has he been excused? He was convicted and served a prison sentence.

You would appear to want to further punishment simply because of his chosen profession. Ok for a bank manager to be a rapist but not a footballer in your world?

you appear to be sensitive, did i say you have excused him..?

perhaps you do..?

and if you can show me just where i have said anything about 'further punishment' then please do so or be quiet..

your bank manager comment is pathetic.. "

"he is still a convicted rapist and until that changes {if indeed it does} he should be not signed by any club"

Maybe I've misunderstood you but it seems to me you wish to prevent him resuming his career. Feel free to call me sensitive again but that seems like further punishment to me.

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over a year ago

My final thoughts after seeing the Fabswingers legal experts spouting forth...

There seems to be an element of approval for a bloke taking sexual advantage of a clearly very d*unk young lady. That saddens me.

The man was tried and convicted. He remains Guilty. He remains a Rapist. He has no place in public sport or life.

The two accused were charged separately so one can quite easily be guilty while another isn't depending on the evidence.

The jurors can only decide on the evidence presented. To make out they should consider anything else shows people haven't a clue how 'a jury of your peers' works.

Why should a Juror be prosecuted for his / her decision if a later Court decides some evidence he / she was asked to consider was faulty (if it does)?

What really offends me is his sense of entitlement to act as he did. No remorse. No apology. The epitome of a 21st Century footballer's big ego attitude. "It was her fault Guv!"

This twat clearly studied the Marlon King theory of sexual conquest. Or did he have a word with his Sheffield team mate Callum McFadzean. Or maybe Ulrika Jonsson can inform us about how footballers behave ...

And finally lets put this in a Swinging context:

If this guy is so blameless would anyone on here be happy to invite him over to play with your wife or girlfriend and trust him to stop if she said 'No'?

Would any ladies here be happy to play with this guy knowing he is a convicted rapist?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

None of which has the slightest relevance to kicking a ball around a park

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

... And now the classic of all time:

M'lud I never raped her, even if she was paralytic d*unk, it was that Barrister over there lying...

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over a year ago


"apparently there is to be a press conference tomorrow at a "league 1" club with PFA leader Gordon Taylor to announce that ched evans has signed with the club....

since my 2nd team is the O's... I was worried.... but have heard 3 different League 1 teams mentioned in the last 2 hrs

so without going into the "appeal process" that may be coming (we have had that in various other threads in the last couple of months!) my question is this:

"At this point in time, would you support your football club signing him?"

for me, I think I would feel so strongly as to not go, and give back my season ticket!

I know that no one person is bigger than the club I love... but that would be too unpalatable for me....

There are a number of footballers who have served time for incidents that have resulted in the death of innocent people and they are still playing.

The pursuing of Ched Evans beyond the rule of law of this country is just another example of mob rule and we are supposed to be a civilised country."

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over a year ago


"None of which has the slightest relevance to kicking a ball around a park"

Unless you happen to be a sponsor who doesn't want their brand associated with a convicted rapist, or a mascot who doesn't want to hold hand with a convicted rapist, or a parent who doesn't want their child to cheer a goal scored by a convicted rapist. As I said earlier, being on the sex offenders register precludes people from doing many jobs and I would like to see the FA and other professional sports organisations included on that list.

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over a year ago


"He may well have served his time so should be allowed to resume his career but... He continues to accept any guilt and refuses to apologise or show any contrition. Rape is a heinous crime and until he accepts his guilt he should not be able to resume a normal life.

why on earth would he accept guilt if he never did anything in his eyes wrong?

if he admits guilt and shows remorse he would stand no chance of getting the sentence changed as people would say 'well he's done it'

He was found guilty in a court of law and went to prison. On his release he put out a video statement practically blaming the woman for the rape! He is a despicable low life and should not be in a position to be role model for young lads.

Would you be more correct if you stated that he blamed the woman for giving consent?

This is where education of other young men is vital and why he believes, incorrectly, that he is innocent. Legally a d*unk, incapacitated woman cannot give consent.

So the other footballer raped her?

Just because there was insufficient evidence to prove he did, doesn't mean he didn't. Clearly she went with him to the hotel room, which makes it harder to prove rape obviously, which is why he was acquitted.

As far as Ched Evans goes, she didn't go with him or invite him there. Where is the consent to him specifically, explicit or implied?

Oh so because theres insufficient evidence, this doesnt mean the other guy didnt rape her? But because evans was convicted, that must mean he did rape her then?

So basically youre happy for a decision to be taken as gospel on one case, but not the other? Or do u just want them both to be convicted rapists because it would make u feel better...

The law doesn't work on feelings, it works on evidence. Evans was convicted on the basis of the evidence. Where does the evidence show she consented to him?!

My feelings on the other defendant are irrelevant. He was acquitted based on the evidence. "

Im fully aware it doesnt work on feelings, however you are quite happy to acknowledge evans DID rape the girl because of the decision of the magistrate, however it would appear you are not equally happy to acknowledge the other guy DIDNT rape her even though the same magistrate decided such.

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over a year ago


"... And now the classic of all time:

M'lud I never raped her, even if she was paralytic d*unk, it was that Barrister over there lying... "

The Guildford Four, the Birmingham Six and others disapprove. Thumbs down icon.

You may also find my original post refers to professions not taking on persons convicted of serious crime.

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By *abio OP   Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


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The pursuing of Ched Evans beyond the rule of law of this country is just another example of mob rule and we are supposed to be a civilised country."

you mean like the mob that have made the victims life hell as well....

not saying two wrongs make a right.... but it is a interesting read...

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/28/ched-evans-rape-victim-change-name-move-house-father

as i always point out in these threads.... remember the victim of ched evans is the only person in uk legal history to be allow a name change under witness protection on the grounds of rape...

he got to go home and sleep in his own bed..... she has had to move house and change name 5 times.....and cant get in contact with family in her home town for fear of being outed again

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over a year ago


"None of which has the slightest relevance to kicking a ball around a park"

I am absolutely astounded you can make such a comment. So raping a woman is perfectly acceptable in, and of NO concern to, the game of football then?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

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over a year ago


"

The pursuing of Ched Evans beyond the rule of law of this country is just another example of mob rule and we are supposed to be a civilised country.

you mean like the mob that have made the victims life hell as well....

not saying two wrongs make a right.... but it is a interesting read...

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/28/ched-evans-rape-victim-change-name-move-house-father

as i always point out in these threads.... remember the victim of ched evans is the only person in uk legal history to be allow a name change under witness protection on the grounds of rape...

he got to go home and sleep in his own bed..... she has had to move house and change name 5 times.....and cant get in contact with family in her home town for fear of being outed again "

Well apparently according to many on here 'she asked for it .. innit'. You just described the sordid and judgmental mentality of 21st Century Britain. Facebook and Twitter have a lot to answer for ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".

The Guildford Four, the Birmingham Six and others disapprove. Thumbs down icon."

You overlooked the key part of the sentence "even if she was paralytic d*unk"

And even in the cases you mentioned no one accused any Barristers. It was the evidence, or source of evidence, that was shown to be faulty.

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over a year ago

Just been on the news it's Oldham and he's going to announce it tomorrow!

Imagine the stick he's going to get on the terraces!! Takes some balls to come back in the UK why didn't he just go play abroad!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


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That's right a convicted rapist who has served the sentence he was given and is now free to restart his footballing career.

why is it that some appear to excuse the act of rape because of the rapists profession..?

How has he been excused? He was convicted and served a prison sentence.

You would appear to want to further punishment simply because of his chosen profession. Ok for a bank manager to be a rapist but not a footballer in your world?

you appear to be sensitive, did i say you have excused him..?

perhaps you do..?

and if you can show me just where i have said anything about 'further punishment' then please do so or be quiet..

your bank manager comment is pathetic..

"he is still a convicted rapist and until that changes {if indeed it does} he should be not signed by any club"

Maybe I've misunderstood you but it seems to me you wish to prevent him resuming his career. Feel free to call me sensitive again but that seems like further punishment to me."

as he is still convicted then yes..

given the nature of the profession..

if after the review the conviction is overturned then crack on..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because he is a convicted sex offender on licence and is forbidden from working abroad

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over a year ago


"Just been on the news it's Oldham and he's going to announce it tomorrow!

Imagine the stick he's going to get on the terraces!! Takes some balls to come back in the UK why didn't he just go play abroad!"

Hope he scores on his first date.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

maybe he should have thought a bit more about his girlfriend, reputation, job etc before he went to the hotel room uninvited and had sex with a woman incapable of giving consent..

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over a year ago


".

The Guildford Four, the Birmingham Six and others disapprove. Thumbs down icon.

You overlooked the key part of the sentence "even if she was paralytic d*unk"

And even in the cases you mentioned no one accused any Barristers. It was the evidence, or source of evidence, that was shown to be faulty."

"faulty"

a nice euphemism. In the same way that the "Tiger" was only faulty at the point of time the Judge commented. lol.

Trust me, in the case i mentionned where the Barrister was convicted and subsequently imprisoned the evidence was clear and unambiguous.

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over a year ago


"maybe he should have thought a bit more about his girlfriend, reputation, job etc before he went to the hotel room uninvited and had sex with a woman incapable of giving consent..

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But he didn't and that's why he got punished and ended up in prison

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull


"Just been on the news it's Oldham and he's going to announce it tomorrow!

Imagine the stick he's going to get on the terraces!! Takes some balls to come back in the UK why didn't he just go play abroad!"

Under the terms of his conviction, he cannot work abroad.

As for the fans, 13000 people have signed a petition, against his signing!

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By *abio OP   Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


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Lol is the team sponsored by G4S by any chance????"

no... but one of the quirks of this is they are sponsored by sports direct.... which is the company owned by a certain Mike Ashley....

Mike Ashley owns newcastle united..... like he doesn't have enough issues at the moment....

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over a year ago


"Just been on the news it's Oldham and he's going to announce it tomorrow!

Imagine the stick he's going to get on the terraces!! Takes some balls to come back in the UK why didn't he just go play abroad!

Under the terms of his conviction, he cannot work abroad.

As for the fans, 13000 people have signed a petition, against his signing!"

What fans? Not 13000 Oldham fans since their avg gate last season was 4,415 and that includes away fans.

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over a year ago


"If I remember rightly she was d*unk and he took advantage. This happens every weekend in every town or city countless times.

Oh so thats OK then .. she deserved to be raped. Outstanding! And because others have the same lack of respect and attitude to women that this rapist had that makes it OK as well?

The man is a convicted rapist. PERIOD! He gave up any rights to a public life of any sort when he forced his cock into that girl against her will. He brutally took advantage because his football ego said he could do whatever he liked and it was was 'OK'. Like you just said. But its NOT 'OK'.

But then this is football. So all decency and honesty goes right out the window. And why I despise everything about football."
The one bad egg Here we are talking about does not give you the excuse to slag off football in general and your attitude Will offend a lot of people who love And have a passion for the game just Because you don,t like football thats Your problem, the game is loved in this Country and I find your remarks Offensive to say the least..

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