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"I knew there was something happening at the beginning of May. Couldn't remember what it was "Two days later we'll party like it's the end of the world. | |||
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"Will be one of the most interesting general elections for ages, anyone's guess really what the results will be? With all the different parties in the mix now, chances of one party getting a healthy majority are looking slim. " There won't be a healthy majority but after the experience of coalition I think the Conservatives will take the slim win and go it alone. | |||
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"I fear that if the conservatives win a majority, then the full impact of their budget cuts will mean an end to non statutory local government services. Ones that the poor, disabled and most vulnerable need. " It will certainly mean an end to the NHS. | |||
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"I better see what country I can move to if UKIP win "I have told J, if they do get in, as soon as he's graduated, we're off ... Incidentally, this time, I don't think they will, but whoever does had better get their arses into shape pretty quickly Or ... maybe next time ? | |||
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"It's a shame that governments don't have to do what they say they will in their manifestos. " you live in "green party" heartland.... i am a wavering Lib Dem voter.... are they any good locally.... I don't think I can bring myself to vote Labour or Lib Dem this time..... I don't agree with all Green Party policies but enough where i am seriously thinking about it..... | |||
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"I can see a con/ukip coalition..? if so..get ready for hell.. "Not sure about hell, but get ready for a EU referendum in 2017. | |||
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"Bugs and I were discussing this yesterday. I really do not feel any true connection to any of the parties of today. Having been bought up with the importance of voting and voting wisely based on my own deductions, that concerns me. I would truly love to see a party made up of 'joe publics' with sensible skill sets to offer a real viable alternative rather than extremist (on either side of the spectrum) taking votes simply because the three main parties have alienated the ordinary voter who feels like their voice is not being heard."
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"i am wondering how many people who voted lib dem in the last election are wavering this time round..... i am leaning voting "green"" .Go greens whooohoo .
We are the most progressive, fairest party that has ever been in politics we've got the best solutions to today's problems were anti nuclear, anti casino banking anti animal cruelty anti inequality pro nhs schools and universities and it's all funded!
But all somebody has to do is mention that fuel escalator, vat and duty on aviation fuel and the increase of fags and booze by a minimum of 50%. And nobody votes for us  | |||
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"SNP will win a huge number of seats in Scotland and will, I suspect, hold the balance of power. Lib Dems will get wiped out, less than 10 MPs would be my guess, UKIP may get into double figures. I predict a Labour SNP coalition as I can't see the Tories doing enough for an outright majority. Save this post so you can all laugh at me for being hopelessly wrong come May! " I reckon this is probably about right unless there is some massive political bombshell between now and then. The UKIP vote will give us a socialist government and the result will be economic stagnation and higher taxes. Probably my exit signal as I have no intention of paying even more tax than I already do when the state is so massively bloated and wasteful. | |||
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"I can see a con/ukip coalition..? if so..get ready for hell..
Not sure about hell, but get ready for a EU referendum in 2017."It would be hell. I certainly won't have a job if they both win | |||
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"SNP will win a huge number of seats in Scotland and will, I suspect, hold the balance of power. Lib Dems will get wiped out, less than 10 MPs would be my guess, UKIP may get into double figures. I predict a Labour SNP coalition as I can't see the Tories doing enough for an outright majority. Save this post so you can all laugh at me for being hopelessly wrong come May! I reckon this is probably about right unless there is some massive political bombshell between now and then. The UKIP vote will give us a socialist government and the result will be economic stagnation and higher taxes. Probably my exit signal as I have no intention of paying even more tax than I already do when the state is so massively bloated and wasteful. " In all probability an incoming Labour Governemnt will follow the existing spending plans. Interestingly which part of the 'state' is bloated and wasteful? | |||
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"It's a shame that governments don't have to do what they say they will in their manifestos. you live in "green party" heartland.... i am a wavering Lib Dem voter.... are they any good locally.... I don't think I can bring myself to vote Labour or Lib Dem this time..... I don't agree with all Green Party policies but enough where i am seriously thinking about it....." We have the only green MP, Caroline Lucas and a green majority in the local council. It's not been good. Greens vote according to each individuals own agenda, not an overall agenda. £20m on a 20mph across the city which no one sticks to, bin strikes, £999 pee day for a finance consultant guaranteed for a year.....and (you can google this) A FUCKING PILE OF RUBBISH INSTEAD OF AN XMAS TREE in the council offices which they paid £150 for. Green = Disaster | |||
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"It's a shame that governments don't have to do what they say they will in their manifestos. you live in "green party" heartland.... i am a wavering Lib Dem voter.... are they any good locally.... I don't think I can bring myself to vote Labour or Lib Dem this time..... I don't agree with all Green Party policies but enough where i am seriously thinking about it....." Green! Really? More ridiculous Green taxes that impact the very roots of the economy. Tax on the use of energy affects the cost of everything no the reality is that the entire Green concept is just that - an ever changing concept that has religious connotations in the way it wants to make humans, fearful, ashamed and unworthy of our place on this planet. | |||
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"actually i think it will go one of two ways.... a minority conservative govt where they go it along being the biggest single party but not having a majority or a grand rainbow coalition.... Labour/Lib Dem/SNP/PC......" Think you're right there buddy, do struggle to see any other option. Can't see a situation where general public would tolerate a Lab/Lib coalition if they could even muster the votes | |||
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"actually i think it will go one of two ways.... a minority conservative govt where they go it along being the biggest single party but not having a majority or a grand rainbow coalition.... Labour/Lib Dem/SNP/PC...... Think you're right there buddy, do struggle to see any other option. Can't see a situation where general public would tolerate a Lab/Lib coalition if they could even muster the votes " 'Not tolerate a Lab/Lib coalition'? D'ye expect a revolution? | |||
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"SNP will win a huge number of seats in Scotland and will, I suspect, hold the balance of power. Lib Dems will get wiped out, less than 10 MPs would be my guess, UKIP may get into double figures. I predict a Labour SNP coalition as I can't see the Tories doing enough for an outright majority. Save this post so you can all laugh at me for being hopelessly wrong come May! I reckon this is probably about right unless there is some massive political bombshell between now and then. The UKIP vote will give us a socialist government and the result will be economic stagnation and higher taxes. Probably my exit signal as I have no intention of paying even more tax than I already do when the state is so massively bloated and wasteful. In all probability an incoming Labour Governemnt will follow the existing spending plans. Interestingly which part of the 'state' is bloated and wasteful?" You joking? ......? All of it. The size of the UK government spend is totally unsustainable and the UK cannot afford to continue as it is. We can all see and we are told it on a daily basis but of course it is socialist ideology to have a BIG and bloated government that sticks its nose into every aspect of our life. Who will pay for our future NHS and pension liabilities ? The maths is clear, it can't be done without massive tax hikes or cuts in other expenditure. The NHS is wasteful, government and local authority procurement is inefficient, the armed forces are top heavy with unnecessary brass, MOD procurement is wasteful and inefficient.... But having said that, the entire model of caring for our ever ageing population has to be addressed because it is pensions and the ZnHS that is bankrupting the country. | |||
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"SNP will win a huge number of seats in Scotland and will, I suspect, hold the balance of power. Lib Dems will get wiped out, less than 10 MPs would be my guess, UKIP may get into double figures. I predict a Labour SNP coalition as I can't see the Tories doing enough for an outright majority. Save this post so you can all laugh at me for being hopelessly wrong come May! I reckon this is probably about right unless there is some massive political bombshell between now and then. The UKIP vote will give us a socialist government and the result will be economic stagnation and higher taxes. Probably my exit signal as I have no intention of paying even more tax than I already do when the state is so massively bloated and wasteful. In all probability an incoming Labour Governemnt will follow the existing spending plans. Interestingly which part of the 'state' is bloated and wasteful? You joking? ......? All of it. The size of the UK government spend is totally unsustainable and the UK cannot afford to continue as it is. We can all see and we are told it on a daily basis but of course it is socialist ideology to have a BIG and bloated government that sticks its nose into every aspect of our life. Who will pay for our future NHS and pension liabilities ? The maths is clear, it can't be done without massive tax hikes or cuts in other expenditure. The NHS is wasteful, government and local authority procurement is inefficient, the armed forces are top heavy with unnecessary brass, MOD procurement is wasteful and inefficient.... But having said that, the entire model of caring for our ever ageing population has to be addressed because it is pensions and the ZnHS that is bankrupting the country." No, wasn't joking, just wanted you to clarify your sweeping statement. So which public services, exactly, would you do away with? Should we have 'cull' of old people? How would you 'modernise' it all? Thing is with all 'public goods'. No one wants to pay for them but we all need them. As with all these things, there's a balance to be struck. | |||
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"i am wondering how many people who voted lib dem in the last election are wavering this time round..... i am leaning voting "green".Go greens whooohoo .
We are the most progressive, fairest party that has ever been in politics we've got the best solutions to today's problems were anti nuclear, anti casino banking anti animal cruelty anti inequality pro nhs schools and universities and it's all funded!
But all somebody has to do is mention that fuel escalator, vat and duty on aviation fuel and the increase of fags and booze by a minimum of 50%. And nobody votes for us "Maybe because they are too anti? | |||
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"SNP will win a huge number of seats in Scotland and will, I suspect, hold the balance of power. Lib Dems will get wiped out, less than 10 MPs would be my guess, UKIP may get into double figures. I predict a Labour SNP coalition as I can't see the Tories doing enough for an outright majority. Save this post so you can all laugh at me for being hopelessly wrong come May! I reckon this is probably about right unless there is some massive political bombshell between now and then. The UKIP vote will give us a socialist government and the result will be economic stagnation and higher taxes. Probably my exit signal as I have no intention of paying even more tax than I already do when the state is so massively bloated and wasteful. In all probability an incoming Labour Governemnt will follow the existing spending plans. Interestingly which part of the 'state' is bloated and wasteful? You joking? ......? All of it. The size of the UK government spend is totally unsustainable and the UK cannot afford to continue as it is. We can all see and we are told it on a daily basis but of course it is socialist ideology to have a BIG and bloated government that sticks its nose into every aspect of our life. Who will pay for our future NHS and pension liabilities ? The maths is clear, it can't be done without massive tax hikes or cuts in other expenditure. The NHS is wasteful, government and local authority procurement is inefficient, the armed forces are top heavy with unnecessary brass, MOD procurement is wasteful and inefficient.... But having said that, the entire model of caring for our ever ageing population has to be addressed because it is pensions and the ZnHS that is bankrupting the country. No, wasn't joking, just wanted you to clarify your sweeping statement. So which public services, exactly, would you do away with? Should we have 'cull' of old people? How would you 'modernise' it all? Thing is with all 'public goods'. No one wants to pay for them but we all need them. As with all these things, there's a balance to be struck." No question that there should be balance. Those in most need should get the help that they deserve, but those of able bodied and working age need to start helping themselves. I gave examples of bloatedness and inefficiency and they are good place to start, but really these are just penny savings in the greater scheme of things. Even getting rid of tax credits (the great socialist equaliser) will not save that much. Personally, I wait with anticipation for the first politician to have the guts to tell us the truth about our future NHS and Pension time bomb. All the evidence is there, it is like a massive elephant in the room but everyone is pretending to ignore it because to mention it first will be political suicide. But that debate has to start sooner or later. | |||
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"i am wondering how many people who voted lib dem in the last election are wavering this time round..... i am leaning voting "green"" | |||
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"SNP will win a huge number of seats in Scotland and will, I suspect, hold the balance of power. Lib Dems will get wiped out, less than 10 MPs would be my guess, UKIP may get into double figures. I predict a Labour SNP coalition as I can't see the Tories doing enough for an outright majority. Save this post so you can all laugh at me for being hopelessly wrong come May! I reckon this is probably about right unless there is some massive political bombshell between now and then. The UKIP vote will give us a socialist government and the result will be economic stagnation and higher taxes. Probably my exit signal as I have no intention of paying even more tax than I already do when the state is so massively bloated and wasteful. In all probability an incoming Labour Governemnt will follow the existing spending plans. Interestingly which part of the 'state' is bloated and wasteful? You joking? ......? All of it. The size of the UK government spend is totally unsustainable and the UK cannot afford to continue as it is. We can all see and we are told it on a daily basis but of course it is socialist ideology to have a BIG and bloated government that sticks its nose into every aspect of our life. Who will pay for our future NHS and pension liabilities ? The maths is clear, it can't be done without massive tax hikes or cuts in other expenditure. The NHS is wasteful, government and local authority procurement is inefficient, the armed forces are top heavy with unnecessary brass, MOD procurement is wasteful and inefficient.... But having said that, the entire model of caring for our ever ageing population has to be addressed because it is pensions and the ZnHS that is bankrupting the country. No, wasn't joking, just wanted you to clarify your sweeping statement. So which public services, exactly, would you do away with? Should we have 'cull' of old people? How would you 'modernise' it all? Thing is with all 'public goods'. No one wants to pay for them but we all need them. As with all these things, there's a balance to be struck. No question that there should be balance. Those in most need should get the help that they deserve, but those of able bodied and working age need to start helping themselves. I gave examples of bloatedness and inefficiency and they are good place to start, but really these are just penny savings in the greater scheme of things. Even getting rid of tax credits (the great socialist equaliser) will not save that much. Personally, I wait with anticipation for the first politician to have the guts to tell us the truth about our future NHS and Pension time bomb. All the evidence is there, it is like a massive elephant in the room but everyone is pretending to ignore it because to mention it first will be political suicide. But that debate has to start sooner or later." The last few years it seems the bankers have been neglected which is shameful. Scrap the pensions and plow the savings back into the city payoffs.  | |||
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"Ha, ha. Don't need Armed Forces, don't need Police, don't need NHS. All costs too much and is part of a socialists agenda. What we need is 'wealth creators' and more bankers. " We need all of those things but you surely cannot help but have noticed that the last labour government overspent? This is the reason that deficit cuts are happening and why they will have to continue. We are already a hugely taxed nation and just how much more can be taken? Ordinary working people are paying out almost 50% of what they earn in taxes when they spend (I.T. And N.I. Plus 20% VAT). They get taxed if they save, taxed if they Invest, taxed more if there investments are successful and taxed when they die. Taking more and more and more off an ever decreasing percentage of the working population in order to maintain an NHS and welfare (Pension) system that is exponentially ever more expensive is just economically unsustainable. | |||
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"SNP will win a huge number of seats in Scotland and will, I suspect, hold the balance of power. Lib Dems will get wiped out, less than 10 MPs would be my guess, UKIP may get into double figures. I predict a Labour SNP coalition as I can't see the Tories doing enough for an outright majority. Save this post so you can all laugh at me for being hopelessly wrong come May! I reckon this is probably about right unless there is some massive political bombshell between now and then. The UKIP vote will give us a socialist government and the result will be economic stagnation and higher taxes. Probably my exit signal as I have no intention of paying even more tax than I already do when the state is so massively bloated and wasteful. In all probability an incoming Labour Governemnt will follow the existing spending plans. Interestingly which part of the 'state' is bloated and wasteful? You joking? ......? All of it. The size of the UK government spend is totally unsustainable and the UK cannot afford to continue as it is. We can all see and we are told it on a daily basis but of course it is socialist ideology to have a BIG and bloated government that sticks its nose into every aspect of our life. Who will pay for our future NHS and pension liabilities ? The maths is clear, it can't be done without massive tax hikes or cuts in other expenditure. The NHS is wasteful, government and local authority procurement is inefficient, the armed forces are top heavy with unnecessary brass, MOD procurement is wasteful and inefficient.... But having said that, the entire model of caring for our ever ageing population has to be addressed because it is pensions and the ZnHS that is bankrupting the country. No, wasn't joking, just wanted you to clarify your sweeping statement. So which public services, exactly, would you do away with? Should we have 'cull' of old people? How would you 'modernise' it all? Thing is with all 'public goods'. No one wants to pay for them but we all need them. As with all these things, there's a balance to be struck. No question that there should be balance. Those in most need should get the help that they deserve, but those of able bodied and working age need to start helping themselves. I gave examples of bloatedness and inefficiency and they are good place to start, but really these are just penny savings in the greater scheme of things. Even getting rid of tax credits (the great socialist equaliser) will not save that much. Personally, I wait with anticipation for the first politician to have the guts to tell us the truth about our future NHS and Pension time bomb. All the evidence is there, it is like a massive elephant in the room but everyone is pretending to ignore it because to mention it first will be political suicide. But that debate has to start sooner or later." From the breakdown provided by HMRC the welfare bill appeared to be the biggest percentage take of public money. Scope there perhaps. Pension reform in both public sector and private sector has been undertaken and been implemented. Tax credits? Depends if you need them or not but if they supplement working household wages better that than pay for not getting out of bed all day. | |||
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"SNP will win a huge number of seats in Scotland and will, I suspect, hold the balance of power. Lib Dems will get wiped out, less than 10 MPs would be my guess, UKIP may get into double figures. I predict a Labour SNP coalition as I can't see the Tories doing enough for an outright majority. Save this post so you can all laugh at me for being hopelessly wrong come May! I reckon this is probably about right unless there is some massive political bombshell between now and then. The UKIP vote will give us a socialist government and the result will be economic stagnation and higher taxes. Probably my exit signal as I have no intention of paying even more tax than I already do when the state is so massively bloated and wasteful. In all probability an incoming Labour Governemnt will follow the existing spending plans. Interestingly which part of the 'state' is bloated and wasteful? You joking? ......? All of it. The size of the UK government spend is totally unsustainable and the UK cannot afford to continue as it is. We can all see and we are told it on a daily basis but of course it is socialist ideology to have a BIG and bloated government that sticks its nose into every aspect of our life. Who will pay for our future NHS and pension liabilities ? The maths is clear, it can't be done without massive tax hikes or cuts in other expenditure. The NHS is wasteful, government and local authority procurement is inefficient, the armed forces are top heavy with unnecessary brass, MOD procurement is wasteful and inefficient.... But having said that, the entire model of caring for our ever ageing population has to be addressed because it is pensions and the ZnHS that is bankrupting the country. No, wasn't joking, just wanted you to clarify your sweeping statement. So which public services, exactly, would you do away with? Should we have 'cull' of old people? How would you 'modernise' it all? Thing is with all 'public goods'. No one wants to pay for them but we all need them. As with all these things, there's a balance to be struck. No question that there should be balance. Those in most need should get the help that they deserve, but those of able bodied and working age need to start helping themselves. I gave examples of bloatedness and inefficiency and they are good place to start, but really these are just penny savings in the greater scheme of things. Even getting rid of tax credits (the great socialist equaliser) will not save that much. Personally, I wait with anticipation for the first politician to have the guts to tell us the truth about our future NHS and Pension time bomb. All the evidence is there, it is like a massive elephant in the room but everyone is pretending to ignore it because to mention it first will be political suicide. But that debate has to start sooner or later. The last few years it seems the bankers have been neglected which is shameful. Scrap the pensions and plow the savings back into the city payoffs. "Suggest you look at the banks contributions to the Treasury coffers. You can find it easily if you google UK tax take by sector. I don't have too many good things to say about Labour, but Remember also that the Labour government made an investment into Lloyds and RBS and the UK taxpayer will win in the end. One persons bail out is another persons investment! | |||
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"Think the point Too Hot was making was that the demands on the NHS are ever increasing. Population ageing, new treatments. Further 'reform' is perhaps inevitable" Indeed, thank you. The comment a bit above just shows how incendiary it will be for the first politician to mention NHS reform. | |||
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"Think the point Too Hot was making was that the demands on the NHS are ever increasing. Population ageing, new treatments. Further 'reform' is perhaps inevitable" The issue will keep getting kicked down the road until someone has to deal with it. In the meantime we will keep spending and borrowing beyond our means. | |||
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"SNP will win a huge number of seats in Scotland and will, I suspect, hold the balance of power. Lib Dems will get wiped out, less than 10 MPs would be my guess, UKIP may get into double figures. I predict a Labour SNP coalition as I can't see the Tories doing enough for an outright majority. Save this post so you can all laugh at me for being hopelessly wrong come May! I reckon this is probably about right unless there is some massive political bombshell between now and then. The UKIP vote will give us a socialist government and the result will be economic stagnation and higher taxes. Probably my exit signal as I have no intention of paying even more tax than I already do when the state is so massively bloated and wasteful. In all probability an incoming Labour Governemnt will follow the existing spending plans. Interestingly which part of the 'state' is bloated and wasteful? You joking? ......? All of it. The size of the UK government spend is totally unsustainable and the UK cannot afford to continue as it is. We can all see and we are told it on a daily basis but of course it is socialist ideology to have a BIG and bloated government that sticks its nose into every aspect of our life. Who will pay for our future NHS and pension liabilities ? The maths is clear, it can't be done without massive tax hikes or cuts in other expenditure. The NHS is wasteful, government and local authority procurement is inefficient, the armed forces are top heavy with unnecessary brass, MOD procurement is wasteful and inefficient.... But having said that, the entire model of caring for our ever ageing population has to be addressed because it is pensions and the ZnHS that is bankrupting the country. No, wasn't joking, just wanted you to clarify your sweeping statement. So which public services, exactly, would you do away with? Should we have 'cull' of old people? How would you 'modernise' it all? Thing is with all 'public goods'. No one wants to pay for them but we all need them. As with all these things, there's a balance to be struck. No question that there should be balance. Those in most need should get the help that they deserve, but those of able bodied and working age need to start helping themselves. I gave examples of bloatedness and inefficiency and they are good place to start, but really these are just penny savings in the greater scheme of things. Even getting rid of tax credits (the great socialist equaliser) will not save that much. Personally, I wait with anticipation for the first politician to have the guts to tell us the truth about our future NHS and Pension time bomb. All the evidence is there, it is like a massive elephant in the room but everyone is pretending to ignore it because to mention it first will be political suicide. But that debate has to start sooner or later. The last few years it seems the bankers have been neglected which is shameful. Scrap the pensions and plow the savings back into the city payoffs.
Suggest you look at the banks contributions to the Treasury coffers. You can find it easily if you google UK tax take by sector.
I don't have too many good things to say about Labour, but Remember also that the Labour government made an investment into Lloyds and RBS and the UK taxpayer will win in the end. One persons bail out is another persons investment!"with investment advice like that I have some swamp land that might interest you | |||
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"Think the point Too Hot was making was that the demands on the NHS are ever increasing. Population ageing, new treatments. Further 'reform' is perhaps inevitable Indeed, thank you. The comment a bit above just shows how incendiary it will be for the first politician to mention NHS reform. " I thought Lansley sorted it ? | |||
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"Think the point Too Hot was making was that the demands on the NHS are ever increasing. Population ageing, new treatments. Further 'reform' is perhaps inevitable Indeed, thank you. The comment a bit above just shows how incendiary it will be for the first politician to mention NHS reform. " Perhaps a bit of 'expectation management' is what the NHS needs. There's a _iew that if a treatment exists, it ought to be made available, regardless of cost - even if it only gives Granny a few extra days | |||
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"SNP will win a huge number of seats in Scotland and will, I suspect, hold the balance of power. Lib Dems will get wiped out, less than 10 MPs would be my guess, UKIP may get into double figures. I predict a Labour SNP coalition as I can't see the Tories doing enough for an outright majority. Save this post so you can all laugh at me for being hopelessly wrong come May! I reckon this is probably about right unless there is some massive political bombshell between now and then. The UKIP vote will give us a socialist government and the result will be economic stagnation and higher taxes. Probably my exit signal as I have no intention of paying even more tax than I already do when the state is so massively bloated and wasteful. In all probability an incoming Labour Governemnt will follow the existing spending plans. Interestingly which part of the 'state' is bloated and wasteful? You joking? ......? All of it. The size of the UK government spend is totally unsustainable and the UK cannot afford to continue as it is. We can all see and we are told it on a daily basis but of course it is socialist ideology to have a BIG and bloated government that sticks its nose into every aspect of our life. Who will pay for our future NHS and pension liabilities ? The maths is clear, it can't be done without massive tax hikes or cuts in other expenditure. The NHS is wasteful, government and local authority procurement is inefficient, the armed forces are top heavy with unnecessary brass, MOD procurement is wasteful and inefficient.... But having said that, the entire model of caring for our ever ageing population has to be addressed because it is pensions and the ZnHS that is bankrupting the country. No, wasn't joking, just wanted you to clarify your sweeping statement. So which public services, exactly, would you do away with? Should we have 'cull' of old people? How would you 'modernise' it all? Thing is with all 'public goods'. No one wants to pay for them but we all need them. As with all these things, there's a balance to be struck. No question that there should be balance. Those in most need should get the help that they deserve, but those of able bodied and working age need to start helping themselves. I gave examples of bloatedness and inefficiency and they are good place to start, but really these are just penny savings in the greater scheme of things. Even getting rid of tax credits (the great socialist equaliser) will not save that much. Personally, I wait with anticipation for the first politician to have the guts to tell us the truth about our future NHS and Pension time bomb. All the evidence is there, it is like a massive elephant in the room but everyone is pretending to ignore it because to mention it first will be political suicide. But that debate has to start sooner or later. The last few years it seems the bankers have been neglected which is shameful. Scrap the pensions and plow the savings back into the city payoffs.
Suggest you look at the banks contributions to the Treasury coffers. You can find it easily if you google UK tax take by sector.
I don't have too many good things to say about Labour, but Remember also that the Labour government made an investment into Lloyds and RBS and the UK taxpayer will win in the end. One persons bail out is another persons investment!
with investment advice like that I have some swamp land that might interest you
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"Think the point Too Hot was making was that the demands on the NHS are ever increasing. Population ageing, new treatments. Further 'reform' is perhaps inevitable Indeed, thank you. The comment a bit above just shows how incendiary it will be for the first politician to mention NHS reform. " Oh sorry  | |||
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"Think the point Too Hot was making was that the demands on the NHS are ever increasing. Population ageing, new treatments. Further 'reform' is perhaps inevitable Indeed, thank you. The comment a bit above just shows how incendiary it will be for the first politician to mention NHS reform. Perhaps a bit of 'expectation management' is what the NHS needs. There's a _iew that if a treatment exists, it ought to be made available, regardless of cost - even if it only gives Granny a few extra days" This is absolutely part of it. Don't forget also that through the successes of medical research and development we pay more to keep people alive longer AND we keep paying their pensions. This is of course how we should do things but we also have to accept and plan for this double whammy of cost. Of course we don't want most people dying before retirement age and those that reached retirement dying just a few years later - but that was the business plan when the NHS and welfare system was formed. Society has changed and so the funding arrangements and expectations have to change accordingly. | |||
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"Mmm, voting, how pointless." Not so. Voters truly have the power to affect change. It's just a sorry state of affairs that those in politics increasingly are disconnected from the realities of their choices. I wonder how often you bemoan or have opinion on something the government has had a hand in... More than you'd care to admit Id be inclined to think. You should consider yourself lucky to have the freedom to chose, even if you chose not to use your vote. | |||
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"Mmm, voting, how pointless. Not so. Voters truly have the power to affect change. It's just a sorry state of affairs that those in politics increasingly are disconnected from the realities of their choices. I wonder how often you bemoan or have opinion on something the government has had a hand in... More than you'd care to admit Id be inclined to think. You should consider yourself lucky to have the freedom to chose, even if you chose not to use your vote." This is such a great comment. In many parts of the world people are literally dying in their own fight to be politically represented whilst so many in the UK are complacent about our form of democracy that in fact is the envy of the world. | |||
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"Mmm, voting, how pointless. Not so. Voters truly have the power to affect change. It's just a sorry state of affairs that those in politics increasingly are disconnected from the realities of their choices. I wonder how often you bemoan or have opinion on something the government has had a hand in... More than you'd care to admit Id be inclined to think. You should consider yourself lucky to have the freedom to chose, even if you chose not to use your vote. This is such a great comment. In many parts of the world people are literally dying in their own fight to be politically represented whilst so many in the UK are complacent about our form of democracy that in fact is the envy of the world." so envious that the minute somebody votes for something you don't like you threaten to fuck off... Bye bye! | |||
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" From the breakdown provided by HMRC the welfare bill appeared to be the biggest percentage take of public money. Scope there perhaps." Hahaha! You didn't actually believe that breakdown?! Take a bit more of a look into it and you'll find the figures were manipulated rather a lot. For example things that wouldn't normally be considered as welfare expenditure were included in the welfare category because it was supposed to look as bloated as it was possible to fudge it to look. They counted expenditure on the fire service in the crime category. That pie chart was created to show exactly what they wanted it to show, rather than to represent the actual situation. It was just another government propaganda tool. | |||
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" From the breakdown provided by HMRC the welfare bill appeared to be the biggest percentage take of public money. Scope there perhaps. Hahaha! You didn't actually believe that breakdown?! Take a bit more of a look into it and you'll find the figures were manipulated rather a lot. For example things that wouldn't normally be considered as welfare expenditure were included in the welfare category because it was supposed to look as bloated as it was possible to fudge it to look. They counted expenditure on the fire service in the crime category. That pie chart was created to show exactly what they wanted it to show, rather than to represent the actual situation. It was just another government propaganda tool." this is what really fuckin annoys me about politicians... I can forgive incompetence in anyone, but not out and out liars.. Especially those in power really... Really Fucking pisses me off no end! | |||
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"I think the cons and lobs did really try for a couple of years then got bored of it and went back to normal !" Really? The Lib Dems U-turned and backed down on practically every promise they made from day one. The Conservatives were out to help themselves and their mates to as much as they could, at the expense of the poorest, from the start. From what I can see, the Conservatives have been true to form and the Lib Dems have been spineless in the hope of clinging to this chance at power. | |||
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"Keep Calm and Vote UKIP!" I'd rather poke my own eyes out with red hot skewers. If we end up with a conservative/UKIP coalition, I will seriously consider shooting myself. | |||
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"Keep Calm and Vote UKIP! I'd rather poke my own eyes out with red hot skewers. If we end up with a conservative/UKIP coalition, I will seriously consider shooting myself." if you really must could you please do it before you vote, it would help the country immensely. .... | |||
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Two days later we'll party like it's the end of the world.
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"Keep Calm and Vote UKIP! I'd rather poke my own eyes out with red hot skewers. If we end up with a conservative/UKIP coalition, I will seriously consider shooting myself." . I will vote Ukip but I fear Thier vote will fade to the Cons as people will be afraid a Ukip vote would let in semi Red Ed ! | |||
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"Keep Calm and Vote UKIP! I'd rather poke my own eyes out with red hot skewers. If we end up with a conservative/UKIP coalition, I will seriously consider shooting myself. if you really must could you please do it before you vote, it would help the country immensely. .... "That's a hugely weird thing to say. | |||
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"Keep Calm and Vote UKIP! I'd rather poke my own eyes out with red hot skewers. If we end up with a conservative/UKIP coalition, I will seriously consider shooting myself. if you really must could you please do it before you vote, it would help the country immensely. .... "I very much doubt that. | |||
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"I feel a bit sorry for the LibDems: without them we would have either had harsher cuts(Tory) or unbelievable debt(Labour). If they really are wiped out, who will hold the balance of power? The far-right Ukipers? The Scottish Nationists? Or the Ulster Unionists? Not sure which is more scary, wish I could vote for another middle-of-the-road coalition! Mr ddc" | |||
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" That leads me onto benefits. The whole system needs a shake up. There should never be a person on benefits that is better off than a working person. There is no incentive to get off benefits. Cut/slash benefits... " Great sentiment but you have it backwards. The level of benefits is already very low and is a struggle for most to survive on. It's difficult to move on and make changes in one's life when one is struggling to survive and thinking more about how to find the money for the next bill or meal, living in shitty surroundings and constantly cold because one can't afford to put the heating on. Stress and worry are exhausting and lead to poor health, making people less likely to be able to work. The solution to getting people back to work is to create jobs, full time jobs not the zero hours crap companies are exploiting, that pay a living wage. Provide help with training. Give people options rather than forcing them into working for nothing with no hope of work at the end. Slavery was abolished a long time ago and it only benefits the slave master. Why are big companies going to employ people when they are paid to take free workfare staff? It increases their profits and doesn't benefit the job market at all. The welfare system currently treats people like dirt, running them down, breaking their self esteem and ruining their confidence. It should be working on actually helping people get new skills and build confidence, empowering people to work, not grinding them into more poverty in low paid, zero hours "jobs" or slavery by bully tactics. I'm deeply saddened by the number of people who believe government and media rhetoric about the benefit situation. | |||
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" We have pensioners that have lived and paid taxes all their life yet cannot afford to heat their homes. They should be the ones reaping the benefits system, not work shy 20-somethings that are knocking out child after child." A huge proportion of benefits are paid to people in work but not earning a living wage! The work shy 20-somethings are in the minority. And the biggest chunk of the welfare bill, by far, goes on pensions. | |||
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"i am wondering how many people who voted lib dem in the last election are wavering this time round..... i am leaning voting "green"" I voted for them it won't happen again for sure they betrayed us and I've voted liberal democrats for many years . Who to vote for now , not a clue | |||
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"I agree with some of the posts that there are no stand-out candidates/winners. It would be great if it was somehow run by regular people with expertise in certain fields; I mean some sort of parliament including people from all walks of life. People that work in the NHS, education, transport, finance experts etc. Politicians can be moved around to head up various policies with little knowledge. The whole UKIP debate is interesting. Farage is shouting about Europe and immigration and that is all some people hear or want to hear. Would you really want them incharge of our education? Whilst I am not 100% convinced they are a racist party, the undertones are certainly there with many know BNP members jumping ship at the sniff of a genuine crack at parliament. Everybody has different hopes/wishes from a governmemt. I would like the following: A crack down on immigrants coming here and not working. No benefits until you have paid in atleast 5 years NI/taxes. Also claiming child support for children abroard. We are far too soft. I think immigration is great as it makes the UK so diverse. I just do not like spongers. That leads me onto benefits. The whole system needs a shake up. There should never be a person on benefits that is better off than a working person. There is no incentive to get off benefits. Cut/slash benefits and pay the majority in coupons for major supermarkets. That way a person can still feed and clothe themselves. It grates on me when I see people outside jobcentres on "pay day" with their designer clothes and fancy phones. If a person that is fit and healthy is claiming, then I would force them to do voluntary work, be it helping tidying up towns/cities. I woukd also introduce charges to see GPs for immigrants that have not paid taxes for 5 years. Only a £5 per visit but just enough to put people off abusing it. I would like us to pull all of our forces out of the countries we are in. We have no need to go as a UK military side by side with the USA. Sure, help NATO but not under the UK umbrella. We could use the billions far better at home. I also believe it could ease tensions. Also why are we sending just over half a billion to India to help their space programme? We have poverty here. I am all for oversea aid in a crisis situation but not to fund sonething not needed. We have pensioners that have lived and paid taxes all their life yet cannot afford to heat their homes. They should be the ones reaping the benefits system, not work shy 20-somethings that are knocking out child after child. Hopefully people will turn out on mass for the election but I doubt it. In this day and age they should be able to do an online secure voting system. It would see the turnout improve greatly." You have identified and hit on the very conundrums that make real politics such a difficult issue. Despite what UKIP might say, there are no easy answers to any of these questions and not one particular party is going to get everything right or do everything in the way that everyone agrees. So far the coalition have done a good job in steering what was a basket case economy. Whether the answer from May is more of the same or a more socialist led economy is open to debate. My concern is that if you look across the channel at how a socialist government in France has handled their downtown, it just has not worked and France is in worse shape now than when the socialists came to power. | |||
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"i am wondering how many people who voted lib dem in the last election are wavering this time round..... i am leaning voting "green" I voted for them it won't happen again for sure they betrayed us and I've voted liberal democrats for many years . Who to vote for now , not a clue " The behaviour of Norman Lamb, one of our local MPs, since he became a Minister means I'll never vote Lib Dem. He abandoned his principles and turned his back on his constituents in order to protect his nice cushy ministerial position. Sadly, most MPs seem to do the same if they get a ministerial role. I'm totally against the concept of whips and of parties pressing their MPs to vote a particular way. The job of an MP is to represent the voting public, their constituents and they should be free to vote and work so as to do that. | |||
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"Keep Calm and Vote UKIP!" I will be..as will a majority of family,friend's,workmates and ex-serving army pal's. | |||
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"Keep Calm and Vote UKIP!I will be..as will a majority of family,friend's,workmates and ex-serving army pal's." Good stuff! I also know many people who are voting UKIP. Many of whom have either not voted before or have previously voted for another party and are sick of their lies and incompetence. People are not just voting but getting actively involved, I am and will be pushing ideas to candidates where I think they need to develop policies. Despite the racist/neanderthal allegations of a desperate and sinking odious left wing , the truth is much of UKIP support is from ordinary families and the silent majority. Many hard working men and women who previously may have been too busy and disillusioned to bother with politics are not only prepared to give real alternative a chance but are actually instrumental in the development and direction of the party. The peoples army thunders on.... | |||
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"Keep Calm and Vote UKIP!I will be..as will a majority of family,friend's,workmates and ex-serving army pal's. Good stuff! I also know many people who are voting UKIP. Many of whom have either not voted before or have previously voted for another party and are sick of their lies and incompetence. People are not just voting but getting actively involved, I am and will be pushing ideas to candidates where I think they need to develop policies. Despite the racist/neanderthal allegations of a desperate and sinking odious left wing , the truth is much of UKIP support is from ordinary families and the silent majority. Many hard working men and women who previously may have been too busy and disillusioned to bother with politics are not only prepared to give real alternative a chance but are actually instrumental in the development and direction of the party. The peoples army thunders on...." | |||
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"Keep Calm and Vote UKIP!I will be..as will a majority of family,friend's,workmates and ex-serving army pal's. Good stuff! I also know many people who are voting UKIP. Many of whom have either not voted before or have previously voted for another party and are sick of their lies and incompetence. People are not just voting but getting actively involved, I am and will be pushing ideas to candidates where I think they need to develop policies. Despite the racist/neanderthal allegations of a desperate and sinking odious left wing , the truth is much of UKIP support is from ordinary families and the silent majority. Many hard working men and women who previously may have been too busy and disillusioned to bother with politics are not only prepared to give real alternative a chance but are actually instrumental in the development and direction of the party. The peoples army thunders on...." "the peoples army"? It's not a war. Sadly, most of the support for UKIP comes from people who are ill informed and can't recite UKIP policies. I'd rather vote for a party that supports females and cares for humanity than one that doesn't. | |||
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"Keep Calm and Vote UKIP!I will be..as will a majority of family,friend's,workmates and ex-serving army pal's. Good stuff! I also know many people who are voting UKIP. Many of whom have either not voted before or have previously voted for another party and are sick of their lies and incompetence. People are not just voting but getting actively involved, I am and will be pushing ideas to candidates where I think they need to develop policies. Despite the racist/neanderthal allegations of a desperate and sinking odious left wing , the truth is much of UKIP support is from ordinary families and the silent majority. Many hard working men and women who previously may have been too busy and disillusioned to bother with politics are not only prepared to give real alternative a chance but are actually instrumental in the development and direction of the party. The peoples army thunders on.... "the peoples army"? It's not a war. Sadly, most of the support for UKIP comes from people who are ill informed and can't recite UKIP policies. I'd rather vote for a party that supports females and cares for humanity than one that doesn't. " You vote for whoever you want to...just as i will..happy voting. | |||
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"...and what will UKIP be doing to improve our education, health, transport, welfare, overseas aid, sport, uk industry growth etc etc? I have yet to find a UKIP supporter that has answered fundamental questions about policies without Google. " Even Google's not much help. UKIP policies, such as they are, are changed by the day. | |||
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"In Scotland, SNP have already won, before and after election anyone want to place a bet that in Scotland any other party will beat the SNP on votes "A one policy party which got humped on Sept 18th? | |||
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"Ha, ha. Don't need Armed Forces, don't need Police, don't need NHS. All costs too much and is part of a socialists agenda. What we need is 'wealth creators' and more bankers. We need all of those things but you surely cannot help but have noticed that the last labour government overspent? This is the reason that deficit cuts are happening and why they will have to continue. We are already a hugely taxed nation and just how much more can be taken? Ordinary working people are paying out almost 50% of what they earn in taxes when they spend (I.T. And N.I. Plus 20% VAT). They get taxed if they save, taxed if they Invest, taxed more if there investments are successful and taxed when they die. Taking more and more and more off an ever decreasing percentage of the working population in order to maintain an NHS and welfare (Pension) system that is exponentially ever more expensive is just economically unsustainable. " So what do you suigest is the cure scrap the NHS and pay extortionate private healthcare fees which like insurance policies they will look for every and any loophole not to pay out, yep im sure thats the fairest option so instead of paying more taxes we will pay high insurance premiums but this time the few directors will have even bigger bonuses sounds like you got it cracked lol | |||
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"Ha, ha. Don't need Armed Forces, don't need Police, don't need NHS. All costs too much and is part of a socialists agenda. What we need is 'wealth creators' and more bankers. We need all of those things but you surely cannot help but have noticed that the last labour government overspent? This is the reason that deficit cuts are happening and why they will have to continue. We are already a hugely taxed nation and just how much more can be taken? Ordinary working people are paying out almost 50% of what they earn in taxes when they spend (I.T. And N.I. Plus 20% VAT). They get taxed if they save, taxed if they Invest, taxed more if there investments are successful and taxed when they die. Taking more and more and more off an ever decreasing percentage of the working population in order to maintain an NHS and welfare (Pension) system that is exponentially ever more expensive is just economically unsustainable. So what do you suigest is the cure scrap the NHS and pay extortionate private healthcare fees which like insurance policies they will look for every and any loophole not to pay out, yep im sure thats the fairest option so instead of paying more taxes we will pay high insurance premiums but this time the few directors will have even bigger bonuses sounds like you got it cracked lol "As usual, someone crops up with the argument that only the US system is an alternative to the NHS. This is not the case. Many countries in the world have efficient health services that are not as under pressure as ours because so many people believe that any change is only going to be bad change. Look around Europe and Asia, there are some exceptional health services. | |||
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"In Scotland, SNP have already won, before and after election anyone want to place a bet that in Scotland any other party will beat the SNP on votes
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"Ha, ha. Don't need Armed Forces, don't need Police, don't need NHS. All costs too much and is part of a socialists agenda. What we need is 'wealth creators' and more bankers. We need all of those things but you surely cannot help but have noticed that the last labour government overspent? This is the reason that deficit cuts are happening and why they will have to continue. We are already a hugely taxed nation and just how much more can be taken? Ordinary working people are paying out almost 50% of what they earn in taxes when they spend (I.T. And N.I. Plus 20% VAT). They get taxed if they save, taxed if they Invest, taxed more if there investments are successful and taxed when they die. Taking more and more and more off an ever decreasing percentage of the working population in order to maintain an NHS and welfare (Pension) system that is exponentially ever more expensive is just economically unsustainable. So what do you suigest is the cure scrap the NHS and pay extortionate private healthcare fees which like insurance policies they will look for every and any loophole not to pay out, yep im sure thats the fairest option so instead of paying more taxes we will pay high insurance premiums but this time the few directors will have even bigger bonuses sounds like you got it cracked lol
As usual, someone crops up with the argument that only the US system is an alternative to the NHS. This is not the case. Many countries in the world have efficient health services that are not as under pressure as ours because so many people believe that any change is only going to be bad change.
Look around Europe and Asia, there are some exceptional health services."Really and if thats the case why do so many people from asia expose our loopholes and come to the uk for treatment....wouldnt be because its free would it? | |||
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A one policy party which got humped on Sept 18th?
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"I do like the way the Tory supporters here like to lay the blame of the recession on the last labour government, how can that be the case when it was a world wide problem and was actuaaly caused by crooked bankers playing financial russian roulette buying bad debt and providing huge loans to people who obviously would not be able to repay. This is a tory issue to the core obtaing as much profit as possible by any means possible. Profit is king at any cost and if the tories have their way the minimum wage will disappear as will the NHS and pensions all that will happen is financial institutions and a few privileged people will be making vast amounts of money at the working mans expence. I dont think any party has the answers but the tories are the last party i would trust as a working man" Arguably the actions taken by Darling and Brown in the middle of the crisis were amongst the best of any leaders in the Western World. Labour cannot be blamed for the global recession although Brown and others have admitted that through deregulation they failed to understand properly the systemic risk associated with banks interdependence. Where Labour can perhaps be criticised is for failing to build a proper surplus during the good times, instead building up a state infrastructure which is utterly unaffordable while times are a bit tougher. | |||
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"I agree with some of the posts that there are no stand-out candidates/winners. It would be great if it was somehow run by regular people with expertise in certain fields; I mean some sort of parliament including people from all walks of life. People that work in the NHS, education, transport, finance experts etc. Politicians can be moved around to head up various policies with little knowledge. The whole UKIP debate is interesting. Farage is shouting about Europe and immigration and that is all some people hear or want to hear. Would you really want them incharge of our education? Whilst I am not 100% convinced they are a racist party, the undertones are certainly there with many know BNP members jumping ship at the sniff of a genuine crack at parliament. Everybody has different hopes/wishes from a governmemt. I would like the following: A crack down on immigrants coming here and not working. No benefits until you have paid in atleast 5 years NI/taxes. Also claiming child support for children abroard. We are far too soft. I think immigration is great as it makes the UK so diverse. I just do not like spongers. That leads me onto benefits. The whole system needs a shake up. There should never be a person on benefits that is better off than a working person. There is no incentive to get off benefits. Cut/slash benefits and pay the majority in coupons for major supermarkets. That way a person can still feed and clothe themselves. It grates on me when I see people outside jobcentres on "pay day" with their designer clothes and fancy phones. If a person that is fit and healthy is claiming, then I would force them to do voluntary work, be it helping tidying up towns/cities. I woukd also introduce charges to see GPs for immigrants that have not paid taxes for 5 years. Only a £5 per visit but just enough to put people off abusing it. I would like us to pull all of our forces out of the countries we are in. We have no need to go as a UK military side by side with the USA. Sure, help NATO but not under the UK umbrella. We could use the billions far better at home. I also believe it could ease tensions. Also why are we sending just over half a billion to India to help their space programme? We have poverty here. I am all for oversea aid in a crisis situation but not to fund sonething not needed. We have pensioners that have lived and paid taxes all their life yet cannot afford to heat their homes. They should be the ones reaping the benefits system, not work shy 20-somethings that are knocking out child after child. Hopefully people will turn out on mass for the election but I doubt it. In this day and age they should be able to do an online secure voting system. It would see the turnout improve greatly." I agree with you about cutting overseas aid, and as Mark Reckless UKIP MP pointed out in this youtube clip to the house of commons a recent yougov poll showed 66% of the british public want a cut in overseas aid and only 7% of the public want an increase. Mark Reckless was jeered and heckled for saying this in the commons but it just proves how out of touch Lib/Lab/Con MP's are with the majority of the British public. Here's the link..... www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkN-YzVwAYQ | |||
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"I do like the way the Tory supporters here like to lay the blame of the recession on the last labour government, how can that be the case when it was a world wide problem and was actuaaly caused by crooked bankers playing financial russian roulette buying bad debt and providing huge loans to people who obviously would not be able to repay. This is a tory issue to the core obtaing as much profit as possible by any means possible. Profit is king at any cost and if the tories have their way the minimum wage will disappear as will the NHS and pensions all that will happen is financial institutions and a few privileged people will be making vast amounts of money at the working mans expence. I dont think any party has the answers but the tories are the last party i would trust as a working man Arguably the actions taken by Darling and Brown in the middle of the crisis were amongst the best of any leaders in the Western World. Labour cannot be blamed for the global recession although Brown and others have admitted that through deregulation they failed to understand properly the systemic risk associated with banks interdependence. Where Labour can perhaps be criticised is for failing to build a proper surplus during the good times, instead building up a state infrastructure which is utterly unaffordable while times are a bit tougher. " No argument about it. Brown and Darling saved many UK citizens from penury or worse. When the history is written and the relevant papers have been released their contribution to the rescue will become clear. | |||
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"I do like the way the Tory supporters here like to lay the blame of the recession on the last labour government, how can that be the case when it was a world wide problem and was actuaaly caused by crooked bankers playing financial russian roulette buying bad debt and providing huge loans to people who obviously would not be able to repay. This is a tory issue to the core obtaing as much profit as possible by any means possible. Profit is king at any cost and if the tories have their way the minimum wage will disappear as will the NHS and pensions all that will happen is financial institutions and a few privileged people will be making vast amounts of money at the working mans expence. I dont think any party has the answers but the tories are the last party i would trust as a working man Arguably the actions taken by Darling and Brown in the middle of the crisis were amongst the best of any leaders in the Western World. Labour cannot be blamed for the global recession although Brown and others have admitted that through deregulation they failed to understand properly the systemic risk associated with banks interdependence. Where Labour can perhaps be criticised is for failing to build a proper surplus during the good times, instead building up a state infrastructure which is utterly unaffordable while times are a bit tougher. " both very good and more to the point objective too.. | |||
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"I do like the way the Tory supporters here like to lay the blame of the recession on the last labour government, how can that be the case when it was a world wide problem and was actuaaly caused by crooked bankers playing financial russian roulette buying bad debt and providing huge loans to people who obviously would not be able to repay. This is a tory issue to the core obtaing as much profit as possible by any means possible. Profit is king at any cost and if the tories have their way the minimum wage will disappear as will the NHS and pensions all that will happen is financial institutions and a few privileged people will be making vast amounts of money at the working mans expence. I dont think any party has the answers but the tories are the last party i would trust as a working man Arguably the actions taken by Darling and Brown in the middle of the crisis were amongst the best of any leaders in the Western World. Labour cannot be blamed for the global recession although Brown and others have admitted that through deregulation they failed to understand properly the systemic risk associated with banks interdependence. Where Labour can perhaps be criticised is for failing to build a proper surplus during the good times, instead building up a state infrastructure which is utterly unaffordable while times are a bit tougher. No argument about it. Brown and Darling saved many UK citizens from penury or worse. When the history is written and the relevant papers have been released their contribution to the rescue will become clear." Was'nt it Gordon Brown who de-regulated the banks when he became chancellor in 1997/98. That de-regulation that he and the Labour party did led to our situation being much worse in the UK than many other parts of the world when the global collapse happened. Not to mention the years of overspending the Labour party did before the banking crisis happened aswel, selling off our gold on the cheap and not keeping any money aside for a rainy day? | |||
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"I do like the way the Tory supporters here like to lay the blame of the recession on the last labour government, how can that be the case when it was a world wide problem and was actuaaly caused by crooked bankers playing financial russian roulette buying bad debt and providing huge loans to people who obviously would not be able to repay. This is a tory issue to the core obtaing as much profit as possible by any means possible. Profit is king at any cost and if the tories have their way the minimum wage will disappear as will the NHS and pensions all that will happen is financial institutions and a few privileged people will be making vast amounts of money at the working mans expence. I dont think any party has the answers but the tories are the last party i would trust as a working man Arguably the actions taken by Darling and Brown in the middle of the crisis were amongst the best of any leaders in the Western World. Labour cannot be blamed for the global recession although Brown and others have admitted that through deregulation they failed to understand properly the systemic risk associated with banks interdependence. Where Labour can perhaps be criticised is for failing to build a proper surplus during the good times, instead building up a state infrastructure which is utterly unaffordable while times are a bit tougher. No argument about it. Brown and Darling saved many UK citizens from penury or worse. When the history is written and the relevant papers have been released their contribution to the rescue will become clear. Was'nt it Gordon Brown who de-regulated the banks when he became chancellor in 1997/98. That de-regulation that he and the Labour party did led to our situation being much worse in the UK than many other parts of the world when the global collapse happened. Not to mention the years of overspending the Labour party did before the banking crisis happened aswel, selling off our gold on the cheap and not keeping any money aside for a rainy day?" Repeating the same nonsense over and over again won't make it any truer. | |||
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"I do like the way the Tory supporters here like to lay the blame of the recession on the last labour government, how can that be the case when it was a world wide problem and was actuaaly caused by crooked bankers playing financial russian roulette buying bad debt and providing huge loans to people who obviously would not be able to repay. This is a tory issue to the core obtaing as much profit as possible by any means possible. Profit is king at any cost and if the tories have their way the minimum wage will disappear as will the NHS and pensions all that will happen is financial institutions and a few privileged people will be making vast amounts of money at the working mans expence. I dont think any party has the answers but the tories are the last party i would trust as a working man Arguably the actions taken by Darling and Brown in the middle of the crisis were amongst the best of any leaders in the Western World. Labour cannot be blamed for the global recession although Brown and others have admitted that through deregulation they failed to understand properly the systemic risk associated with banks interdependence. Where Labour can perhaps be criticised is for failing to build a proper surplus during the good times, instead building up a state infrastructure which is utterly unaffordable while times are a bit tougher. No argument about it. Brown and Darling saved many UK citizens from penury or worse. When the history is written and the relevant papers have been released their contribution to the rescue will become clear. Was'nt it Gordon Brown who de-regulated the banks when he became chancellor in 1997/98. That de-regulation that he and the Labour party did led to our situation being much worse in the UK than many other parts of the world when the global collapse happened. Not to mention the years of overspending the Labour party did before the banking crisis happened aswel, selling off our gold on the cheap and not keeping any money aside for a rainy day? Repeating the same nonsense over and over again won't make it any truer." I was just repeating what Sajid Javid Tory MP said on Question time a few weeks ago, so guess he must be a liar then? | |||
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"I do like the way the Tory supporters here like to lay the blame of the recession on the last labour government, how can that be the case when it was a world wide problem and was actuaaly caused by crooked bankers playing financial russian roulette buying bad debt and providing huge loans to people who obviously would not be able to repay. This is a tory issue to the core obtaing as much profit as possible by any means possible. Profit is king at any cost and if the tories have their way the minimum wage will disappear as will the NHS and pensions all that will happen is financial institutions and a few privileged people will be making vast amounts of money at the working mans expence. I dont think any party has the answers but the tories are the last party i would trust as a working man Arguably the actions taken by Darling and Brown in the middle of the crisis were amongst the best of any leaders in the Western World. Labour cannot be blamed for the global recession although Brown and others have admitted that through deregulation they failed to understand properly the systemic risk associated with banks interdependence. Where Labour can perhaps be criticised is for failing to build a proper surplus during the good times, instead building up a state infrastructure which is utterly unaffordable while times are a bit tougher. No argument about it. Brown and Darling saved many UK citizens from penury or worse. When the history is written and the relevant papers have been released their contribution to the rescue will become clear. Was'nt it Gordon Brown who de-regulated the banks when he became chancellor in 1997/98. That de-regulation that he and the Labour party did led to our situation being much worse in the UK than many other parts of the world when the global collapse happened. Not to mention the years of overspending the Labour party did before the banking crisis happened aswel, selling off our gold on the cheap and not keeping any money aside for a rainy day? Repeating the same nonsense over and over again won't make it any truer. I was just repeating what Sajid Javid Tory MP said on Question time a few weeks ago, so guess he must be a liar then? " He's a Tory. Of course he's a liar. | |||
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"I do like the way the Tory supporters here like to lay the blame of the recession on the last labour government, how can that be the case when it was a world wide problem and was actuaaly caused by crooked bankers playing financial russian roulette buying bad debt and providing huge loans to people who obviously would not be able to repay. This is a tory issue to the core obtaing as much profit as possible by any means possible. Profit is king at any cost and if the tories have their way the minimum wage will disappear as will the NHS and pensions all that will happen is financial institutions and a few privileged people will be making vast amounts of money at the working mans expence. I dont think any party has the answers but the tories are the last party i would trust as a working man Arguably the actions taken by Darling and Brown in the middle of the crisis were amongst the best of any leaders in the Western World. Labour cannot be blamed for the global recession although Brown and others have admitted that through deregulation they failed to understand properly the systemic risk associated with banks interdependence. Where Labour can perhaps be criticised is for failing to build a proper surplus during the good times, instead building up a state infrastructure which is utterly unaffordable while times are a bit tougher. No argument about it. Brown and Darling saved many UK citizens from penury or worse. When the history is written and the relevant papers have been released their contribution to the rescue will become clear. Was'nt it Gordon Brown who de-regulated the banks when he became chancellor in 1997/98. That de-regulation that he and the Labour party did led to our situation being much worse in the UK than many other parts of the world when the global collapse happened. Not to mention the years of overspending the Labour party did before the banking crisis happened aswel, selling off our gold on the cheap and not keeping any money aside for a rainy day? Repeating the same nonsense over and over again won't make it any truer. I was just repeating what Sajid Javid Tory MP said on Question time a few weeks ago, so guess he must be a liar then? " he is a tory mouthpiece.. did he mention about northern rock or the national debt at all..? | |||
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"I do like the way the Tory supporters here like to lay the blame of the recession on the last labour government, how can that be the case when it was a world wide problem and was actuaaly caused by crooked bankers playing financial russian roulette buying bad debt and providing huge loans to people who obviously would not be able to repay. This is a tory issue to the core obtaing as much profit as possible by any means possible. Profit is king at any cost and if the tories have their way the minimum wage will disappear as will the NHS and pensions all that will happen is financial institutions and a few privileged people will be making vast amounts of money at the working mans expence. I dont think any party has the answers but the tories are the last party i would trust as a working man Arguably the actions taken by Darling and Brown in the middle of the crisis were amongst the best of any leaders in the Western World. Labour cannot be blamed for the global recession although Brown and others have admitted that through deregulation they failed to understand properly the systemic risk associated with banks interdependence. Where Labour can perhaps be criticised is for failing to build a proper surplus during the good times, instead building up a state infrastructure which is utterly unaffordable while times are a bit tougher. No argument about it. Brown and Darling saved many UK citizens from penury or worse. When the history is written and the relevant papers have been released their contribution to the rescue will become clear. Was'nt it Gordon Brown who de-regulated the banks when he became chancellor in 1997/98. That de-regulation that he and the Labour party did led to our situation being much worse in the UK than many other parts of the world when the global collapse happened. Not to mention the years of overspending the Labour party did before the banking crisis happened aswel, selling off our gold on the cheap and not keeping any money aside for a rainy day? Repeating the same nonsense over and over again won't make it any truer. I was just repeating what Sajid Javid Tory MP said on Question time a few weeks ago, so guess he must be a liar then? He's a Tory. Of course he's a liar." and he forgot to mention the fuck up by osborne in selling off too cheaply royal mail.. | |||
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"I do like the way the Tory supporters here like to lay the blame of the recession on the last labour government, how can that be the case when it was a world wide problem and was actuaaly caused by crooked bankers playing financial russian roulette buying bad debt and providing huge loans to people who obviously would not be able to repay. This is a tory issue to the core obtaing as much profit as possible by any means possible. Profit is king at any cost and if the tories have their way the minimum wage will disappear as will the NHS and pensions all that will happen is financial institutions and a few privileged people will be making vast amounts of money at the working mans expence. I dont think any party has the answers but the tories are the last party i would trust as a working man Arguably the actions taken by Darling and Brown in the middle of the crisis were amongst the best of any leaders in the Western World. Labour cannot be blamed for the global recession although Brown and others have admitted that through deregulation they failed to understand properly the systemic risk associated with banks interdependence. Where Labour can perhaps be criticised is for failing to build a proper surplus during the good times, instead building up a state infrastructure which is utterly unaffordable while times are a bit tougher. No argument about it. Brown and Darling saved many UK citizens from penury or worse. When the history is written and the relevant papers have been released their contribution to the rescue will become clear. Was'nt it Gordon Brown who de-regulated the banks when he became chancellor in 1997/98. That de-regulation that he and the Labour party did led to our situation being much worse in the UK than many other parts of the world when the global collapse happened. Not to mention the years of overspending the Labour party did before the banking crisis happened aswel, selling off our gold on the cheap and not keeping any money aside for a rainy day? Repeating the same nonsense over and over again won't make it any truer. I was just repeating what Sajid Javid Tory MP said on Question time a few weeks ago, so guess he must be a liar then? He's a Tory. Of course he's a liar. and he forgot to mention the fuck up by osborne in selling off too cheaply royal mail.." I think the Lib dems and Vince Cable had a big hand in that sell off, and yes you are right that was a fuck up aswel. | |||
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" That leads me onto benefits. The whole system needs a shake up. There should never be a person on benefits that is better off than a working person. There is no incentive to get off benefits. Cut/slash benefits... Great sentiment but you have it backwards. The level of benefits is already very low and is a struggle for most to survive on. It's difficult to move on and make changes in one's life when one is struggling to survive and thinking more about how to find the money for the next bill or meal, living in shitty surroundings and constantly cold because one can't afford to put the heating on. Stress and worry are exhausting and lead to poor health, making people less likely to be able to work. The solution to getting people back to work is to create jobs, full time jobs not the zero hours crap companies are exploiting, that pay a living wage. Provide help with training. Give people options rather than forcing them into working for nothing with no hope of work at the end. Slavery was abolished a long time ago and it only benefits the slave master. Why are big companies going to employ people when they are paid to take free workfare staff? It increases their profits and doesn't benefit the job market at all. The welfare system currently treats people like dirt, running them down, breaking their self esteem and ruining their confidence. It should be working on actually helping people get new skills and build confidence, empowering people to work, not grinding them into more poverty in low paid, zero hours "jobs" or slavery by bully tactics. I'm deeply saddened by the number of people who believe government and media rhetoric about the benefit situation." To a degree that is right but why should a healthyperson on benefits be living comfortably? Where is the incentive to get a job? I work and if I ever had to go on benefits I would expect to change my lifestyle. I would HATE to live off other peoples taxes. I would look across Europe for work. Sadly Brits in general are bone idle and would not look as far or as hard. There are plenty of jobs for people. Too many people are choosy and won't take a job that they deem to be below them. Drop the benefits and force people to get out working. | |||
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"I do like the way the Tory supporters here like to lay the blame of the recession on the last labour government, how can that be the case when it was a world wide problem and was actuaaly caused by crooked bankers playing financial russian roulette buying bad debt and providing huge loans to people who obviously would not be able to repay. This is a tory issue to the core obtaing as much profit as possible by any means possible. Profit is king at any cost and if the tories have their way the minimum wage will disappear as will the NHS and pensions all that will happen is financial institutions and a few privileged people will be making vast amounts of money at the working mans expence. I dont think any party has the answers but the tories are the last party i would trust as a working man Arguably the actions taken by Darling and Brown in the middle of the crisis were amongst the best of any leaders in the Western World. Labour cannot be blamed for the global recession although Brown and others have admitted that through deregulation they failed to understand properly the systemic risk associated with banks interdependence. Where Labour can perhaps be criticised is for failing to build a proper surplus during the good times, instead building up a state infrastructure which is utterly unaffordable while times are a bit tougher. No argument about it. Brown and Darling saved many UK citizens from penury or worse. When the history is written and the relevant papers have been released their contribution to the rescue will become clear." Investing tax payer money into failing banks will, in the end prove to be a good decision and the tax payer will earn from it. As a nation though we have to collectively understand that the bail out was an investment. Labour can and should be held account for growing the state budget to such a degree that it was unsustainable in good times, let alone bad times. Austerity today is not because of the financial meltdown but because UK PLC is spending more than it earns and despite cutting that deficit massively over the last four years, the debt has to increase as long as there is a deficit. This burden of unsustainable deficit lies fairly and squarely at the feet of the last labour government and nobody can dispute that. | |||
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"I agree with some of the posts that there are no stand-out candidates/winners. It would be great if it was somehow run by regular people with expertise in certain fields; I mean some sort of parliament including people from all walks of life. People that work in the NHS, education, transport, finance experts etc. Politicians can be moved around to head up various policies with little knowledge. The whole UKIP debate is interesting. Farage is shouting about Europe and immigration and that is all some people hear or want to hear. Would you really want them incharge of our education? Whilst I am not 100% convinced they are a racist party, the undertones are certainly there with many know BNP members jumping ship at the sniff of a genuine crack at parliament. Everybody has different hopes/wishes from a governmemt. I would like the following: A crack down on immigrants coming here and not working. No benefits until you have paid in atleast 5 years NI/taxes. Also claiming child support for children abroard. We are far too soft. I think immigration is great as it makes the UK so diverse. I just do not like spongers. That leads me onto benefits. The whole system needs a shake up. There should never be a person on benefits that is better off than a working person. There is no incentive to get off benefits. Cut/slash benefits and pay the majority in coupons for major supermarkets. That way a person can still feed and clothe themselves. It grates on me when I see people outside jobcentres on "pay day" with their designer clothes and fancy phones. If a person that is fit and healthy is claiming, then I would force them to do voluntary work, be it helping tidying up towns/cities. I woukd also introduce charges to see GPs for immigrants that have not paid taxes for 5 years. Only a £5 per visit but just enough to put people off abusing it. I would like us to pull all of our forces out of the countries we are in. We have no need to go as a UK military side by side with the USA. Sure, help NATO but not under the UK umbrella. We could use the billions far better at home. I also believe it could ease tensions. Also why are we sending just over half a billion to India to help their space programme? We have poverty here. I am all for oversea aid in a crisis situation but not to fund sonething not needed. We have pensioners that have lived and paid taxes all their life yet cannot afford to heat their homes. They should be the ones reaping the benefits system, not work shy 20-somethings that are knocking out child after child. Hopefully people will turn out on mass for the election but I doubt it. In this day and age they should be able to do an online secure voting system. It would see the turnout improve greatly. I agree with you about cutting overseas aid, and as Mark Reckless UKIP MP pointed out in this youtube clip to the house of commons a recent yougov poll showed 66% of the british public want a cut in overseas aid and only 7% of the public want an increase. Mark Reckless was jeered and heckled for saying this in the commons but it just proves how out of touch Lib/Lab/Con MP's are with the majority of the British public. Here's the link..... www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkN-YzVwAYQ" Overseas Aid is peanuts in the greater scheme of things. It is a negligible amount of money of which only a fraction goes to questionable projects. Unfortunately, a great deal of overseas aid also goes to people whose idea of real luxury is to have clean drinking water and to extend life expectancy in malaria and Aids ravaged countries. This countries problems are not caused by Europe and are not caused by foreign aid. The problems are also not caused by immigrants who, contrary to popular belief - invariably end up benefiting the country rather than costing it. No, our problems are 100% home grown and brought about by successive governments not planning for a population that is going to live longer and be an ever increasing burden on the welfare state (pensions) and the NHS. When the NHS and welfare system was conceived, there were 9 people working supporting just 1 who was not. Most people died, before, at or just after retirement age as a result of sudden onset illness and incurable disease. Today the percentage of people not working exceeds 50% of the population and we are all living longer and taking advantage of fantastic but expensive treatments that now cure disease and prolong life. This has never been in the NHS and Welfare plan - life has changed and these two institutions have the very real ability to bankrupt the country unless something is done about the way they are used and funded. Think about it.... More expense from more people by prolonging their lives and more expense by paying their pensions for longer. Of course it is reasonable for anyone who has paid tax and NI all of their working life to expect to be looked after in their old age but the problem is that the money they paid whilst they were working was never and is still not ring fenced - and even if it were, the cost to the country to keep a 95 year old for the last 30 years in NHS and pension cost will be considerably more than that person contributed in their 45 year working life. | |||
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"Bugs and I were discussing this yesterday. I really do not feel any true connection to any of the parties of today. Having been bought up with the importance of voting and voting wisely based on my own deductions, that concerns me. I would truly love to see a party made up of 'joe publics' with sensible skill sets to offer a real viable alternative rather than extremist (on either side of the spectrum) taking votes simply because the three main parties have alienated the ordinary voter who feels like their voice is not being heard." I do agree, and have seen no Improvements over a period of time but have seen extremism Getting stronger all the time waiting For the right time to strike their Added extra weight of grief will do no One any extra favours except their own long term and I feel most folk realise This in the country today. | |||
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