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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Who or what created the universe and how was it created ...... I was looking at the film about Noah s Ark over christmas made me think .

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

No idea. Lots of theories based on what we know so far of astrophysics with Hawkings Theory being most widely accepted, so I'd go along with that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who or what created the universe and how was it created ...... I was looking at the film about Noah s Ark over christmas made me think ."
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Yeah that film made me think too..

Made me think what an earth he's doing after all those great films!

Ahh the Fickleness of acting

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Who or what created the universe and how was it created ...... I was looking at the film about Noah s Ark over christmas made me think ..

Yeah that film made me think too..

Made me think what an earth he's doing after all those great films!

Ahh the Fickleness of acting"
Yes it did take some getting into ... But made me think .. so good in a strange way .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

BANG

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who or what created the universe and how was it created ...... I was looking at the film about Noah s Ark over christmas made me think ..

Yeah that film made me think too..

Made me think what an earth he's doing after all those great films!

Ahh the Fickleness of actingYes it did take some getting into ... But made me think .. so good in a strange way ."
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Made you think what!.

I watched Ben hur yesterday but it didn't make me think that's how Cambridge always lose... Ramming speed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In a word, Physics!

If you want a good analysis of the Noah's Ark conundrum, check out Ricky Gervais' Science.

He begins the section by talking about the number of different species of Spider alone and that right now, there are approximately 5 million different species of animal on Earth - and that is just 1% of ALL the species that have ever existed.

You can actually find the section on YouTube - look up Ricky Gervais Noahs Ark

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who or what created the universe and how was it created ...... I was looking at the film about Noah s Ark over christmas made me think ."

You can believe in the religious view or the scientific view.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You know what animal never gets mentioned in the bible or Qur'an or the Torah or noahs ark.......

Kangaroos

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You know what animal never gets mentioned in the bible or Qur'an or the Torah or noahs ark.......

Kangaroos

That's cause they're vicious feckers.

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By *lshere77Man
over a year ago

Wigan

Think it was Ronald Mcdonald

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"BANG

A very big one!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You know what animal never gets mentioned in the bible or Qur'an or the Torah or noahs ark.......

Kangaroos

Only coz aus hadn't bern discovered....not sure sloths were in there either?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You know what animal never gets mentioned in the bible or Qur'an or the Torah or noahs ark.......

Kangaroos

Only coz aus hadn't bern discovered....not sure sloths were in there either?"

Or Haggis.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Who or what created the universe and how was it created ...... I was looking at the film about Noah s Ark over christmas made me think .

You can believe in the religious view or the scientific view.

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I am not sure what to think ... But lovely to hear what others think so I have more choices .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You know what animal never gets mentioned in the bible or Qur'an or the Torah or noahs ark.......

Kangaroos

That's cause they're vicious feckers."
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Yep that and the fact nobody knew they existed till 1610

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You know what animal never gets mentioned in the bible or Qur'an or the Torah or noahs ark.......

Kangaroos

That's cause they're vicious feckers..

Yep that and the fact nobody knew they existed till 1610

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Good to know.

They would have been atheists then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You know what animal never gets mentioned in the bible or Qur'an or the Torah or noahs ark.......

Kangaroos

That's cause they're vicious feckers..

Yep that and the fact nobody knew they existed till 1610

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Good to know.

They would have been atheists then. "
.Turns out he wasn't as all knowing as people thought!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"BANG

A very big one!

Meh...now it's not all about size.

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By *coutin4girlzMan
over a year ago

Moo-Moo land :-)

Stardust....It's what everything is....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There wouldn't have been a bang

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Although apparently it smells like raspberries

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There wouldn't have been a bang"

Because......." In space no one can here you scream!"

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By *lligator3Man
over a year ago

Dundee

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's like a bad party.

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By *lligator3Man
over a year ago

Dundee

I'm comfortable with the fact us humans with our limited time on earth haven't found the reason but we gave it a bloody good guess. (Big Bang)

The thing I could never get my head around no matter how many times it was explained to me was- if you were able to get to the edge of the universe what is there?

Not in the sense of aliens etc, but more what is the boundary line if you like and what is the other side of it? (Sounds a silly question at first but interesting when you stop an think about it I reckon)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's like a bad party.

No kitchen to hide in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's like a bad party.

No kitchen to hide in. "
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That's why you'll always find me in the kitchen at parties as I like a party with an atmosphere

black is black but not as sexy as blue, so Mr bluesy please tell me why you have to hideaway in kitchens.

Anyhow all this Adam and eve stuff and it turns out were all descendants of Noah... Talk about keeping it in the family

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It's like a bad party.

No kitchen to hide in. .

That's why you'll always find me in the kitchen at parties as I like a party with an atmosphere

black is black but not as sexy as blue, so Mr bluesy please tell me why you have to hideaway in kitchens.

Anyhow all this Adam and eve stuff and it turns out were all descendants of Noah... Talk about keeping it in the family

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weird you say this ... I was thinking how it would work ... yes maybe years ago they did this keep it in the family god know ..

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

no idea but it could all go so appreciate it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's like a bad party.

No kitchen to hide in. .

That's why you'll always find me in the kitchen at parties as I like a party with an atmosphere

black is black but not as sexy as blue, so Mr bluesy please tell me why you have to hideaway in kitchens.

Anyhow all this Adam and eve stuff and it turns out were all descendants of Noah... Talk about keeping it in the family

Tut.

I'm the center of attention in the kitchen.

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By *nJ_NW_cplCouple
over a year ago

wirral

Not so much a where we came from more a where are we. Came across this a few weeks ago and it blew my mind. https://uk.screen.yahoo.com/space-playlist/209-seconds-entire-existence-025213384.html?soc_src=default

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am an Atheist - I was raised as a Christian, but I have come to my own decisions about life, the universe and everything (42, lol)

Take the Bible for instance, particularly the Old Testament.

We know that the planet is 4.5 billion years old, was a bi-product of the creation of our Sun and that the Universe is almost 14 billion years old - This is a matter of scientific fact

But the Old Testament would have us believe that it took 6 days to create (and THEN created the light) and that the first species to exist on Earth was, yep you guessed it, mankind.

No mention of dinosaurs then - who just happen to have been the most successful species on this planet to date.

Dinosaurs - over 150 million years in existence.

Mankind, around 100,000 years.

So when 'God' was telling all his follows about how he made the Earth etc, did he just forget about the dinosaurs (and Kangaroos), or didn't he think we'd be interested?

Just imagine it 'Well, yes, I did have a go at other forms of life, but after 150 million years I thought i'd wipe them out and start from scratch with you lot'

Also, if there is some all powerful being that looks out for us etc then please explain....

Disease (Ebola, for one, leaps to mind)

Famine

War (most of which are caused by religion incidentally)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not so much a where we came from more a where are we. Came across this a few weeks ago and it blew my mind. https://uk.screen.yahoo.com/space-playlist/209-seconds-entire-existence-025213384.html?soc_src=default

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Ha I liked that kinda made me think of the old Monty python song.

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving

And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,

That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,

A sun that is the source of all our power.

The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see

Are moving at a million miles a day

In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,

Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.

It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.

It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,

But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.

We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.

We go 'round every two hundred million years,

And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions

In this amazing and expanding universe.

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding

In all of the directions it can whizz

As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,

Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.

So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,

How amazingly unlikely is your birth,

And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,

'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think its the big bang theory .makes sense

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"You know what animal never gets mentioned in the bible or Qur'an or the Torah or noahs ark.......

Kangaroos

That's cause they're vicious feckers..

Yep that and the fact nobody knew they existed till 1610

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Good to know.

They would have been atheists then. .Turns out he wasn't as all knowing as people thought!"

Ok, I'm not going to be an apologist for the bible, especially for a story that I believe to have more metaphorical meaning than literal but it only specifically names some of the animals that went on the ark but quite clearly says that all of them were on there. The fact that we didn't know them till much later is totally irrelevant to the story.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"BANG

A very big one!

Meh...now it's not all about size. "

Yer but a 15,000,000,0000 year long one is definitely worth talking about.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I am an Atheist - I was raised as a Christian, but I have come to my own decisions about life, the universe and everything (42, lol)

Take the Bible for instance, particularly the Old Testament.

We know that the planet is 4.5 billion years old, was a bi-product of the creation of our Sun and that the Universe is almost 14 billion years old - This is a matter of scientific fact

But the Old Testament would have us believe that it took 6 days to create (and THEN created the light) and that the first species to exist on Earth was, yep you guessed it, mankind.

No mention of dinosaurs then - who just happen to have been the most successful species on this planet to date.

Dinosaurs - over 150 million years in existence.

Mankind, around 100,000 years.

So when 'God' was telling all his follows about how he made the Earth etc, did he just forget about the dinosaurs (and Kangaroos), or didn't he think we'd be interested?

Just imagine it 'Well, yes, I did have a go at other forms of life, but after 150 million years I thought i'd wipe them out and start from scratch with you lot'

Also, if there is some all powerful being that looks out for us etc then please explain....

Disease (Ebola, for one, leaps to mind)

Famine

War (most of which are caused by religion incidentally)

Except that most wars are not incidentally caused by religion but by creed for other peoples land, wealth or power. You should look more closely at what causes war before making such a rash statement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The film Dogma has all the answers....God is Alanis Morissette and she created everything!

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By *ornyHunk80Man
over a year ago

Watford

Americans?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surprised no one has pointed out that it clearly wasn't a woman.....would have done a better/tidier job!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You know what animal never gets mentioned in the bible or Qur'an or the Torah or noahs ark.......

Kangaroos

That's cause they're vicious feckers..

Yep that and the fact nobody knew they existed till 1610

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God knew. He forgot share that information with the writer of the great flood that killed everyone on Earth except the contents of the Ark

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You did.

As soon as you became aware that the universe exists it existed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Simple answer - we don't know - and religion and science just illustrate how conceited mankind is.

One thing is for sure - who or whatever created it - mankind WILL destroy it - just look around you to see what a disgusting species we are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was always there, scientist have manipulated us to think we came from the big bang lol what did they smoke when they came up with that idea. Basically we have always existed, humans alwais have to some kind of idea how everything works and things, not me tho

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You did.

As soon as you became aware that the universe exists it existed."

Profound!! I like your thinking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Believe what your comfortable with

Its not worth the worry either way

Your born and you die it's the time between the two that matters spreading the joy lol happy 2015

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By *lligator3Man
over a year ago

Dundee

"It was always there, scientist have manipulated us to think we came from the big bang lol what did they smoke when they came up with that idea. Basically we have always existed, humans alwais have to some kind of idea how everything works and things, not me tho

Laid back attitude but understanding how things work enlightens us surely...otherwise diseases would still be seen as possessed by the devil/ gods will etc....just you enjoy the bright flashy light box in your living room tho lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Simple answer - we don't know - and religion and science just illustrate how conceited mankind is.

One thing is for sure - who or whatever created it - mankind WILL destroy it - just look around you to see what a disgusting species we are"

We do know though, or at least we have the best answer that science can come up with at this moment in time!, if one chooses to disbelieve this that's your business but please don't mention science with religion there's no beliefs in science just facts and there's no facts in religion just beliefs..

One things for sure, this planet will still be spinning long after humans have gone, it could be the only trace we'll leave in a billion years time is our pollution!.

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By *hrissiTV/TS
over a year ago

West Wirral

No one/ no entity created the universe, my explanation is going to be slightly simplified but the basic concept is correct....

The universe is made of 'stuff' and stuff can be either matter or its opposite, antimatter.

In much the same way as -1 plus 1 = 0, if matter and antimattter meet, they annihilate each other, releasing energy and leaving nothing behind.

The reverse is also true, ie. nothing can spontaneously explode to create equal amounts of matter and antimatter.

The most stupidly named event in the history of the universe is The Big Bang. It wasn't very big at all and made no noise but did fling out matter and antimatter.

It expanded pretty rapidly as there was nothing in its way, and is still expanding today. One of 3 things may happen in the future:

1: The pull of gravity will grow to cancel out the force expanding the universe, and so it will just sit there forever, being very large indeed

2: It will continue expanding forever, becoming even bigger than in no. 1

3: (The most likely) gravity will overcome the expansion causing the universe to collapse back in on itself at an ever increasing rate until the entire thing becomes infinitely hot and infinitely small at which point it simulataneously disappears and explodes into a totally new universe that appears to have come from nowhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You know what animal never gets mentioned in the bible or Qur'an or the Torah or noahs ark.......

Kangaroos

That's cause they're vicious feckers..

Yep that and the fact nobody knew they existed till 1610

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Apart from the thousands of people who lived in Australis before then!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"BANG

A very big one!

Meh...now it's not all about size.

Yer but a 15,000,000,0000 year long one is definitely worth talking about."

Meh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one created the universe it was created by by nothing and everything in the space it is now..

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire

"Basically we have always existed"

How is that possible ? There has to have been a start point

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

it wasn't me. i was busy doing other things

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I got arrested for worrying sheep over Xmas. I sat down in a field and told the sheep that God did not exist - and they got very worried.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Universe has always been in existence - because there was no time until there was the Universe, so there has never been a time when the Universe did not exist....

Either that, or is was a Vogon Constructor Fleet wot done it....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Woman

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To assume that all this universe was created for some nobody on this tiny spec of rolled up space dust is just so typically human

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Basically we have always existed

How is that possible ? There has to have been a start point"
Yes that's a hart nut to solve.

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

Was it created , or is it just a continuation of something we don't fully understand , like quantum physics , or perhaps God did a huge bottom burp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

universe or multiverse? who knows? I think it's more important to think where it is going. a gigantic crunch or a fading away to an overdiluted soup.

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By *SweetVioletxWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"BANG

BIG BANG

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One thing I do know is that, we are causing our own death cos in few decades, the earth will be overpopulated, so make sure you live it to the max lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I cant believe the universe and all the miracles of life just started from a big bang that came from nowere..I do believe some higher superpower that is well beyond human intellect gave a nudge and a push for this supposed big bang to happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I cant believe the universe and all the miracles of life just started from a big bang that came from nowere..I do believe some higher superpower that is well beyond human intellect gave a nudge and a push for this supposed big bang to happen."
.You know it's just as likely statistically that your just a computer simulation and none of this exists than it is that you were made by a "higher power" through a miracle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't believe it's not butter or that utd can't buy bale, sometimes I can't believe how bad the traffic is or how it can rain just when I don't want it to... What you believe has no bearing on facts!

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Anyhow all this Adam and eve stuff and it turns out were all descendants of Noah... Talk about keeping it in the family

There's a 'Lot' of that sort of thing in the bible. (See what I did there?

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I read the Universe was created when the previous universe stopped expanding and collapsed back in on itself, creating the massive explosion that was the big bang. They never explained who created the previous one though!

I'm relatively laid-back about the concept of a supreme being, setting up all the laws of physics, fate, etc. I'm just not sure, given the size of the universe, they're really that fussed about that little white lie I told. (Or who gets to live on some barren bit of land in the Middle East)

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stephen Hawking lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't believe it's not butter or that utd can't buy bale, sometimes I can't believe how bad the traffic is or how it can rain just when I don't want it to... What you believe has no bearing on facts!"

there is no real tangible facts about how the universe came about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyhow all this Adam and eve stuff and it turns out were all descendants of Noah... Talk about keeping it in the family

There's a 'Lot' of that sort of thing in the bible. (See what I did there?

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Mr ddc

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..Ha I was thinking the same myself but then noticed father Xmas getting noshed off by an elf and thought ohhhhh.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

..Ha I was thinking the same myself but then noticed father Xmas getting noshed off by an elf and thought ohhhhh.

Lol, so long as Santa believes in blow-jobs, all is well with the world!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"universe or multiverse? who knows? I think it's more important to think where it is going. a gigantic crunch or a fading away to an overdiluted soup."

True we could be one of many universes in a multiverse in different dimensions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nobody and nothing

It's all a dream haha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Or we could all be living in a computer programme like the Matrix film.

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By *uppy ConquerorMan
over a year ago

dundee

I like the multiverse idea! I find it quite comforting!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there is no real tangible facts about how the universe came about"
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Well there's slightly more tangible evidence to point towards a big bang theory, than a God creating it in 6 days or some guy loading all the animals on one boat, or the fact he couldn't even get round to fecking making humans for 500 million years and before that making hundreds of thousands of other species before wiping them out with a big rock. Before thinking you know what these dinosaurs are fun but really what I should be doing is making some creatures that look just like me giving them a totally meaningless existence for 3 score and ten before deciding whether I let them into my kingdom or send them below to toil and burn and suffer for all eternity.... But he loves us

all seeing all knowing all powerful but he crap with money, as he always needs money!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My own take is we as puny humans can not cope with the concept of eternity or that the cosmos has always existed....

Time is simply an invention created by humans and it has no relevance as a measurement as there is no beginning and there is no end,,,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there is no real tangible facts about how the universe came about.

all seeing all knowing all powerful but he crap with money, as he always needs money!"

you don't seem to be making much sense..? but there is still no real evidence that the big bang started from nothing..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You did.

As soon as you became aware that the universe exists it existed.

Profound!! I like your thinking.

Thanks. I know it doesn't answer OP but it's the only answer i need.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

a big bang baby yeahh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Universe has always been in existence - because there was no time until there was the Universe, so there has never been a time when the Universe did not exist....

Either that, or is was a Vogon Constructor Fleet wot done it....

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just don't let them read you a poem

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You did.

As soon as you became aware that the universe exists it existed.

Profound!! I like your thinking.

Thanks. I know it doesn't answer OP but it's the only answer i need."
This post have even me a lot to think about and will for years to come I am sure.

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By *ittenwantstoplayWoman
over a year ago

Kent

(Mr or Mrs Mod if this is not allowed please remove).

Ha I liked that kinda made me think of the old Monty python song.

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving

And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,

That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,

A sun that is the source of all our power.

The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see

Are moving at a million miles a day

In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,

Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.

It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.

It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,

But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.

We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.

We go 'round every two hundred million years,

And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions

In this amazing and expanding universe.

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding

In all of the directions it can whizz

As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,

Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.

So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,

How amazingly unlikely is your birth,

And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,

'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

LOVE this song!! Always cheers me up. Thankyou x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is a certain arrogance in assuming we're capable of establishing or understanding absolutely everything. We live on a planet where other animals know barely anything of the world around them but we, and our mahoosive brains, will be able to work it all out. Where was that guarantee given?

We're very clever animals who can do incredible things and all with a massive amount of self awareness. Can't we just enjoy those skills and see where they take us? There is no masterplan and absolutely no indication of a god beyond the need for humans to have an 'answer'. The trick is not in getting the answer it is in constantly trying to find it.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Yep that and the fact nobody knew they existed till 1610

... "

I think there are a lot of Aboriginal Australians who would be very offended with your assertion that they do not count as people...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there is no real tangible facts about how the universe came about.

all seeing all knowing all powerful but he crap with money, as he always needs money!

you don't seem to be making much sense..? but there is still no real evidence that the big bang started from nothing..?"
..

You know how hard it is to Google search.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/aqa_pre_2011/radiation/originsrev2.shtml

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yep that and the fact nobody knew they existed till 1610

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I think there are a lot of Aboriginal Australians who would be very offended with your assertion that they do not count as people...

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..No they wouldn't, they didn't even know the rest of the world existed 2000 years ago, just as we didn't know they existed nor kangaroos.

If your speaking in past tense it's perfectly acceptable to say no people knew they existed until 1610.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there is no real tangible facts about how the universe came about.

all seeing all knowing all powerful but he crap with money, as he always needs money!

you don't seem to be making much sense..? but there is still no real evidence that the big bang started from nothing..?..

You know how hard it is to Google search.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/aqa_pre_2011/radiation/originsrev2.shtml

I have no need to read that shit as it is all speculation written by humans with very limited intellect..and that includes Stephen hawkings as well..lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there is no real tangible facts about how the universe came about.

all seeing all knowing all powerful but he crap with money, as he always needs money!

you don't seem to be making much sense..? but there is still no real evidence that the big bang started from nothing..?..

You know how hard it is to Google search.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/aqa_pre_2011/radiation/originsrev2.shtml

I have no need to read that shit as it is all speculation written by humans with very limited intellect..and that includes Stephen hawkings as well..lol

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I particularly picked the BBC gcse just for you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there is no real tangible facts about how the universe came about.

all seeing all knowing all powerful but he crap with money, as he always needs money!

you don't seem to be making much sense..? but there is still no real evidence that the big bang started from nothing..?..

You know how hard it is to Google search.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/aqa_pre_2011/radiation/originsrev2.shtml

I have no need to read that shit as it is all speculation written by humans with very limited intellect..and that includes Stephen hawkings as well..lol

I particularly picked the BBC gcse just for you!

thanks but no thanks..i don't need it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there is no real tangible facts about how the universe came about.

all seeing all knowing all powerful but he crap with money, as he always needs money!

you don't seem to be making much sense..? but there is still no real evidence that the big bang started from nothing..?..

You know how hard it is to Google search.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/aqa_pre_2011/radiation/originsrev2.shtml

I have no need to read that shit as it is all speculation written by humans with very limited intellect..and that includes Stephen hawkings as well..lol

I particularly picked the BBC gcse just for you!

thanks but no thanks..i don't need it.

"
but you keep saying there's no evidence!.. I figured if a 15 year old could grasp it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fabulous conversation for a swingers site

hehe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there is no real tangible facts about how the universe came about.

all seeing all knowing all powerful but he crap with money, as he always needs money!

you don't seem to be making much sense..? but there is still no real evidence that the big bang started from nothing..?..

You know how hard it is to Google search.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/aqa_pre_2011/radiation/originsrev2.shtml

I have no need to read that shit as it is all speculation written by humans with very limited intellect..and that includes Stephen hawkings as well..lol

I particularly picked the BBC gcse just for you!

thanks but no thanks..i don't need it.

but you keep saying there's no evidence!.. I figured if a 15 year old could grasp it

there is realy nothing to grasp but speculation..

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Who or what created the universe and how was it created ...... I was looking at the film about Noah s Ark over christmas made me think ."

You make a presumption it had a beginning

No evidence yet to suggest matter energy to a fundamental degree has not always existed

No evidence to suggest all we see is all there is

Lots of data illustrating what we see was once closer however to date no convincing data to lead me to belief of a singularity

Logic will always negate any prime mover argument at its most fundamental

Honestly , I find understanding evolution through the eyes of Attenborough far more time rewarding than wild speculation without any real data to feed upon x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there is no real tangible facts about how the universe came about.

all seeing all knowing all powerful but he crap with money, as he always needs money!"

The Big Bang sits well with my gods, but then I'm a polytheist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the big bang - yep we were all fucked into existence

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Basically we have always existed

How is that possible ? There has to have been a start point"

No there does not have to a start or and end in either time or space. A ball is a simple example of something that has no start or end in space.

While current scientific theory suggests that the observable universe is finite in time most philosophical thinking leans towards something infinite in time and space that the observable universe is either created from or buy.

For those who choose to believe that infinite thing is an ever present all powerful God. As yet science has not determined what the infinite thing is or even if anything outside the observable universe even exists.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"The Universe has always been in existence - because there was no time until there was the Universe, so there has never been a time when the Universe did not exist....

That was the official scientific answer up until recently. But really that's just as much of a cop out as saying 'Gog created it because God said he did'

Now science is trying to address what, if anything, existed "before" time and space started. And yes I know you can't have a "before" time in any sensible way but there is no other word to use.

Either that, or is was a Vogon Constructor Fleet wot done it....

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Then that just begs the question where does this 'higher superpower' come from or what created it.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I cant believe the universe and all the miracles of life just started from a big bang that came from nowere..I do believe some higher superpower that is well beyond human intellect gave a nudge and a push for this supposed big bang to happen..You know it's just as likely statistically that your just a computer simulation and none of this exists than it is that you were made by a "higher power" through a miracle.

He never said it was a miracle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we're all just one big alien experiment...Men in Black!

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Yep that and the fact nobody knew they existed till 1610

...

I think there are a lot of Aboriginal Australians who would be very offended with your assertion that they do not count as people...

..No they wouldn't, they didn't even know the rest of the world existed 2000 years ago, just as we didn't know they existed nor kangaroos.

If your speaking in past tense it's perfectly acceptable to say no people knew they existed until 1610."

Right, I am put in my place...

Only we are people, and that's OK provided Its all in the past tense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You know what animal never gets mentioned in the bible or Qur'an or the Torah or noahs ark.......

Kangaroos

That's cause they're vicious feckers..

Yep that and the fact nobody knew they existed till 1610

...

Good to know.

They would have been atheists then. "

And the aborigines.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

But it does have an effect on how you look for the facts and how you interpret the evidence to get to the facts.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Or we could all be living in a computer programme like the Matrix film. "

But just kicks the ball down the road. Who's written the simulation, where is the computer, who created them and the universe they live in. We are back to the original question.

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

Been researching the big bang but cant workout how penny and sheldon would of started it all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You know what animal never gets mentioned in the bible or Qur'an or the Torah or noahs ark.......

Kangaroos

That's cause they're vicious feckers..

Yep that and the fact nobody knew they existed till 1610

...

Good to know.

They would have been atheists then. .Turns out he wasn't as all knowing as people thought!

When are the bible belivers going to come up with a definitive guide of what is literal, and what is metaphorical? If you believe in the bible you have to believe EVERYTHING, not just the bits you think fit. Its gods word. Honest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Physics, surely?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

there is no real tangible facts about how the universe came about.

all seeing all knowing all powerful but he crap with money, as he always needs money!

you don't seem to be making much sense..? but there is still no real evidence that the big bang started from nothing..?"

There is no evidence that the big bang started from anything. Science only suggest that the big bang happened. Currently it says nothing about what caused it, whether it's part of something that existed before it or around it. Anything said about what was 'before' the observable universe or what the observable universe is 'surrounded' by is either believe or speculation.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

there is no real tangible facts about how the universe came about.

all seeing all knowing all powerful but he crap with money, as he always needs money!

The Big Bang sits well with my gods, but then I'm a polytheist

It sits fine with my God to and I'm a monotheist.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"You know what animal never gets mentioned in the bible or Qur'an or the Torah or noahs ark.......

Kangaroos

That's cause they're vicious feckers..

Yep that and the fact nobody knew they existed till 1610

...

Good to know.

They would have been atheists then. .Turns out he wasn't as all knowing as people thought!

No don't have to believe in EVERYTHING or anything. What I choose to believe and not believe is my own choice not yours. And what parts of the bible I choose to believe are literal and which parts I choose to believe are metaphorical is also my choice not yours.

I'm not here to tell you what you should believe; please don't try and tell me what I have to believe or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The universe is a schoolboy's science project, left in the pocket of a coat he outgrew years ago, which hangs forgotten in a wardrobe. The stars are gaps in the fabric of the pocket, and galaxies are small tears. The planets are marbles, no longer played with, and the universe will end when the coat is donated to Oxfam.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"You know what animal never gets mentioned in the bible or Qur'an or the Torah or noahs ark.......

Kangaroos

That's cause they're vicious feckers..

Yep that and the fact nobody knew they existed till 1610

...

Good to know.

They would have been atheists then. .Turns out he wasn't as all knowing as people thought!

I'm not here to tell you what you should believe; please don't try and tell me what I have to believe or not."

Of course as the forum has illustrated god is a useless and meaningless word

So using such logic I'm happy with the fact that God is smegma

Of course there is zero reason to reason smegma has any part in the occurance of any of the possible universal developments

To my observance nothing that is unique to any of the human invented god concepts especially the monotheistic ones that can be rationalised to any observed, observable or logically inferred data

It's perfectly reasonable for us all to imagine our origins , however there are an infinite number of nonsense ideas and within debate it's not unreasonable to request a logical reasoning behind a vocalised conclusion ?

Surely no one really wants to throw an idea out there contains so little validation ? And expect to be viewed as credible ?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

You struggle to reason or understand the plausibility of exceptionally simple elements compounding to form exceptionally simple replicating compounds

Yet find it easy to see plausibility in something complex beyond comprehension has always existed then retrospectively making finitely simple life ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The universe is a schoolboy's science project, left in the pocket of a coat he outgrew years ago, which hangs forgotten in a wardrobe. The stars are gaps in the fabric of the pocket, and galaxies are small tears. The planets are marbles, no longer played with, and the universe will end when the coat is donated to Oxfam."

Nice nips x

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Who or what created the universe and how was it created ...... I was looking at the film about Noah s Ark over christmas made me think ."

Then I consider that film worth every penny of it's budget.

What was it that you thought Jo ?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I'm comfortable with the fact us humans with our limited time on earth haven't found the reason but we gave it a bloody good guess. (Big Bang)

The thing I could never get my head around no matter how many times it was explained to me was- if you were able to get to the edge of the universe what is there?

Why would there be an edge ? Why think topographically ?

What if the universe were sayyyy a sugar ring doughnut shape ? Or on the surface of some rubbery substance like a balloon ..... Do spheres have edges ? How vast ? How many dimensions ?

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

not sure about the universe but ask me about Uranus lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Then that just begs the question where does this 'higher superpower' come from or what created it."

as I said..it is well beyond human intellect and I guess we are made to never know..?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I'm comfortable with the fact us humans with our limited time on earth haven't found the reason but we gave it a bloody good guess. (Big Bang)

The thing I could never get my head around no matter how many times it was explained to me was- if you were able to get to the edge of the universe what is there?

Why would there be an edge ? Why think topographically ?

What if the universe were sayyyy a sugar ring doughnut shape ? Or on the surface of some rubbery substance like a balloon ..... Do spheres have edges ? How vast ? How many dimensions ? "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You struggle to reason or understand the plausibility of exceptionally simple elements compounding to form exceptionally simple replicating compounds

Yet find it easy to see plausibility in something complex beyond comprehension has always existed then retrospectively making finitely simple life ?

lol

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Nice nips x"

Was that to me ?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"I'm comfortable with the fact us humans with our limited time on earth haven't found the reason but we gave it a bloody good guess. (Big Bang)

The thing I could never get my head around no matter how many times it was explained to me was- if you were able to get to the edge of the universe what is there?

Why would there be an edge ? Why think topographically ?

What if the universe were sayyyy a sugar ring doughnut shape ? Or on the surface of some rubbery substance like a balloon ..... Do spheres have edges ? How vast ? How many dimensions ? "

Or contained dimensionless ether ( not alcohol) partials traveling way beyond the speed of light occasionally spontaneously forming bubbles or pockets humans perceive as spacetime x

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

You struggle to reason or understand the plausibility of exceptionally simple elements compounding to form exceptionally simple replicating compounds

I don't see how a believe in a supper being means you can't accept the plausibility of some evolutionary process.

Yet find it easy to see plausibility in something complex beyond comprehension has always existed then retrospectively making finitely simple life ?

Anything to do with what existed before time itself started is by definition beyond any human comprehension.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

You struggle to reason or understand the plausibility of exceptionally simple elements compounding to form exceptionally simple replicating compounds

I don't see how a believe in a supper being means you can't accept the plausibility of some evolutionary process.

Yet find it easy to see plausibility in something complex beyond comprehension has always existed then retrospectively making finitely simple life ?

Anything to do with what existed before time itself started is by definition beyond any human comprehension. "

My comment had nothing to do with super being and evolution not being compatible ? It was a direct comment regarding his statement that could not grasp an evolutionary beginning yet could accept the most ultimate thing ever conceived could just exist

It's always the creator regression id if you need greatness to design complexity you alwayp logically require a designer of your designer

As for comprehension of the unknown ? Comprehension means understanding not knowledge

As yet we have no knowledge this does not mean the future discoveries will be beyond our understanding

It is quite plausible light or energy from beyond what we are currently aware can eventually stumble accross earth giving new insight into time beyond 14 billion ish years , it maybe traveling so far we will have to wait 278627 billion years to see it . The concept is not beyond comprehension xx

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over a year ago

You struggle to reason or understand the plausibility of exceptionally simple elements compounding to form exceptionally simple replicating compounds

I don't see how a believe in a supper being means you can't accept the plausibility of some evolutionary process.

Yet find it easy to see plausibility in something complex beyond comprehension has always existed then retrospectively making finitely simple life ?

Anything to do with what existed before time itself started is by definition beyond any human comprehension.

It's always the creator regression id if you need greatness to design complexity you alwayp logically require a designer of your designer

As for comprehension of the unknown ? Comprehension means understanding not knowledge

As yet we have no knowledge this does not mean the future discoveries will be beyond our understanding

yes..but it still doesn't explain who or what created this big bang that in turn created the universe and the miracle of life..?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

You struggle to reason or understand the plausibility of exceptionally simple elements compounding to form exceptionally simple replicating compounds

I don't see how a believe in a supper being means you can't accept the plausibility of some evolutionary process.

Yet find it easy to see plausibility in something complex beyond comprehension has always existed then retrospectively making finitely simple life ?

Anything to do with what existed before time itself started is by definition beyond any human comprehension.

It's always the creator regression id if you need greatness to design complexity you alwayp logically require a designer of your designer

As for comprehension of the unknown ? Comprehension means understanding not knowledge

As yet we have no knowledge this does not mean the future discoveries will be beyond our understanding

yes..but it still doesn't explain who or what created this big bang that in turn created the universe and the miracle of life..?"

No it explains that way of thinking is a logical circular fallacy xx it negates the use of the word create as that word can only ever be a logical infinite regression causing a larger question than it does not even need to solve