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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Sorry but this a rant.

I'm in the pub and went outside for a cig. A group of people are talking and a guy they obviously know walks over to them and they ask him how he is. He says "I'm not good, not good at all. " So they ask him wants wrong. He's gutted cos his mrs wants him to get a job!!! He's whats the point in that. She earns enough and job seekers pays for my beer!! And before anybody says anything he was beind deadly serious.

Sorry but it boils my piss.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Completely agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry but this a rant.

I'm in the pub and went outside for a cig. A group of people are talking and a guy they obviously know walks over to them and they ask him how he is. He says "I'm not good, not good at all. " So they ask him wants wrong. He's gutted cos his mrs wants him to get a job!!! He's whats the point in that. She earns enough and job seekers pays for my beer!! And before anybody says anything he was beind deadly serious.

Sorry but it boils my piss."
me too mate .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My local post office was advertising for staff, a man I know said 'why don't you go for it, you could do it' and I said 'why don't you go for it, you don't work' whereas I do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Eavesdropper!

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

Lost me after went outside for a cig,lol.

Make them sit in a hall all day for their dole money. Soon find a job. And now off for I pint with nige

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"My local post office was advertising for staff, a man I know said 'why don't you go for it, you could do it' and I said 'why don't you go for it, you don't work' whereas I do "

Jeez. Then I go back to my table which has my pint and my paper on but my chair has gone. A guy tells me a woman took it despite there being 10 other empty tables and about 30 chairs!!! FML. How do these people not fall over more?

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By *oconut2Woman
over a year ago

Nether regions of the back of beyond


"Sorry but this a rant.

I'm in the pub and went outside for a cig. A group of people are talking and a guy they obviously know walks over to them and they ask him how he is. He says "I'm not good, not good at all. " So they ask him wants wrong. He's gutted cos his mrs wants him to get a job!!! He's whats the point in that. She earns enough and job seekers pays for my beer!! And before anybody says anything he was beind deadly serious.

Sorry but it boils my piss."

I wouldn't have been able to keep my mouth shut lol I would've gave him a mouthful the lazy twat !!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Eavesdropper!"

Well they said it loud enough!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My local post office was advertising for staff, a man I know said 'why don't you go for it, you could do it' and I said 'why don't you go for it, you don't work' whereas I do

Jeez. Then I go back to my table which has my pint and my paper on but my chair has gone. A guy tells me a woman took it despite there being 10 other empty tables and about 30 chairs!!! FML. How do these people not fall over more?"

Reasons why I don't go to my local. I'm far too opinionated to be around people who loudly share their stories.

Also... Have you ever noticed that said dolers and such are usually really loud. Unintelligence is usually the loudest, why is that??!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

plenty of other men keep their wives though don't they, its her choice though she doesn't have too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"plenty of other men keep their wives though don't they, its her choice though she doesn't have too."

He's on jobseekers allowance.. The clue should be in the name, its meant to be a temporary fix whilst looking to employment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"plenty of other men keep their wives though don't they, its her choice though she doesn't have too.

He's on jobseekers allowance.. The clue should be in the name, its meant to be a temporary fix whilst looking to employment "

well at least one of them is working.

and there aren't that many jobs about these days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought that being on the dole was passed down from generation to generation? It's a right to not have to work to survive isn't it?

You ever noticed how the doctors are always full of these scroungers too? Gotta maintain an illness for the disability benefit too....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My local post office was advertising for staff, a man I know said 'why don't you go for it, you could do it' and I said 'why don't you go for it, you don't work' whereas I do

Jeez. Then I go back to my table which has my pint and my paper on but my chair has gone. A guy tells me a woman took it despite there being 10 other empty tables and about 30 chairs!!! FML. How do these people not fall over more?

Reasons why I don't go to my local. I'm far too opinionated to be around people who loudly share their stories.

Also... Have you ever noticed that said dolers and such are usually really loud. Unintelligence is usually the loudest, why is that??!!

"

I can't remember who said it, but the quote was to the effect of

'The problem with the world is that the stupid are full of confidence and the intelligent are full of doubt'

I also like

'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt'

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Yes plenty of men do. And its their choice. However she quite clearly needs him to work and he quite clearly doesnt want to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My local post office was advertising for staff, a man I know said 'why don't you go for it, you could do it' and I said 'why don't you go for it, you don't work' whereas I do

Jeez. Then I go back to my table which has my pint and my paper on but my chair has gone. A guy tells me a woman took it despite there being 10 other empty tables and about 30 chairs!!! FML. How do these people not fall over more?

Reasons why I don't go to my local. I'm far too opinionated to be around people who loudly share their stories.

Also... Have you ever noticed that said dolers and such are usually really loud. Unintelligence is usually the loudest, why is that??!!

I can't remember who said it, but the quote was to the effect of

'The problem with the world is that the stupid are full of confidence and the intelligent are full of doubt'

I also like

'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt' "

Never a truer word!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I can't remember who said it, but the quote was to the effect of

'The problem with the world is that the stupid are full of confidence and the intelligent are full of doubt'

I also like

'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt' "

Also: intelligence is not knowing everything but questioning everything you know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry but this a rant.

I'm in the pub and went outside for a cig. A group of people are talking and a guy they obviously know walks over to them and they ask him how he is. He says "I'm not good, not good at all. " So they ask him wants wrong. He's gutted cos his mrs wants him to get a job!!! He's whats the point in that. She earns enough and job seekers pays for my beer!! And before anybody says anything he was beind deadly serious.

Sorry but it boils my piss."

I would have smiled at how he was winding people up pretty much as it has some have been here.

Surely everyone knows co-habiting couples have to claim means-tested benefits such as Income-Based Job Seekers Allowance together as the government expects co-habiting couple to support each other financially, even if one of the couple is not working.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Sorry but this a rant.

I'm in the pub and went outside for a cig. A group of people are talking and a guy they obviously know walks over to them and they ask him how he is. He says "I'm not good, not good at all. " So they ask him wants wrong. He's gutted cos his mrs wants him to get a job!!! He's whats the point in that. She earns enough and job seekers pays for my beer!! And before anybody says anything he was beind deadly serious.

Sorry but it boils my piss.

I would have smiled at how he was winding people up pretty much as it has some have been here.

Surely everyone knows co-habiting couples have to claim means-tested benefits such as Income-Based Job Seekers Allowance together as the government expects co-habiting couple to support each other financially, even if one of the couple is not working."

Good Lord! Not those pesky facts again.

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By *adyGardenWoman
over a year ago

LONDON (se)

Didn't think you coukd claim job seekers if one half was working.

I know I couldn't when my maternity leave ended and I chose to be a stay at home mum.

Like someone else said if I over heard such a thing there is no way I could keep quiet. The first thing out of my mouth would be oh my god you are kidding right.

The guy will be divorced before he knows it

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

It does go on means testing but she may work less than say 16 hours a week and she is fed up. I dont profess to know their circumstances. Just the words he came out with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds like she's the stupid one, I'd never support someone who just wasn't working because they couldn't be arsed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The OP's overheard conversation is a terrible indictment. But to all of you jumping on the bandwagon, please stop and think. We contribute to a safety net for the right reasons. Should you become unemployed and seeking work, it might help you avoid starvation.

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

As if they tell the dole they live together? Aww my little innocent s

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

Disgraceful ... Smoking ... Terrible habit

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

This thread is making me laugh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As if they tell the dole they live together? Aww my little innocent s "

The innocent ones are the ones who believe such a tall tail. If you really think the benefit office don't check an address to see if someone else lives there, is attached to the claimant you are a little naive.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

what the man said might be true, he might have been winding listening people up, who knows, certainly not us from an overheard conversation reported to us second hand.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Sorry for posting this. It just annoyed me.

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington


"As if they tell the dole they live together? Aww my little innocent s

The innocent ones are the ones who believe such a tall tail. If you really think the benefit office don't check an address to see if someone else lives there, is attached to the claimant you are a little naive. "

what is it they check if the girls registeted at a family members adresse?

You actually think nobody in the country actualy falsely claims benefits? Lol

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"As if they tell the dole they live together? Aww my little innocent s

The innocent ones are the ones who believe such a tall tail. If you really think the benefit office don't check an address to see if someone else lives there, is attached to the claimant you are a little naive.

what is it they check if the girls registeted at a family members adresse?

You actually think nobody in the country actualy falsely claims benefits? Lol"

of course they do but it isn't as easy or as common as a lot of people imagine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sounds like she's the stupid one, I'd never support someone who just wasn't working because they couldn't be arsed. "

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

as I get older, I become less interested in the goings on of other people. It just wastes so much energy.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

boils my piss when all these folks who drink and smoke are a burden on our already hard pressed nhs..

actually it doesn't bother me a lot but one could see how it might..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"boils my piss when all these folks who drink and smoke are a burden on our already hard pressed nhs..

actually it doesn't bother me a lot but one could see how it might.."

Not forgeting overweight people too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"plenty of other men keep their wives though don't they, its her choice though she doesn't have too.

He's on jobseekers allowance.. The clue should be in the name, its meant to be a temporary fix whilst looking to employment

well at least one of them is working.

and there aren't that many jobs about these days."

The point of job seekers is you actively look for work.. The man admitted he doesnt want to get a job or look so he should not be getting that benefit! Its pretty bloody simple

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"plenty of other men keep their wives though don't they, its her choice though she doesn't have too.

He's on jobseekers allowance.. The clue should be in the name, its meant to be a temporary fix whilst looking to employment

well at least one of them is working.

and there aren't that many jobs about these days.

The point of job seekers is you actively look for work.. The man admitted he doesnt want to get a job or look so he should not be getting that benefit! Its pretty bloody simple "

Says you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"plenty of other men keep their wives though don't they, its her choice though she doesn't have too.

He's on jobseekers allowance.. The clue should be in the name, its meant to be a temporary fix whilst looking to employment

well at least one of them is working.

and there aren't that many jobs about these days."

this soooo pissed me off!! There are loads of jobs out there if people are.prepared to actually work and don't expect to get fantastic wages right away!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"plenty of other men keep their wives though don't they, its her choice though she doesn't have too.

He's on jobseekers allowance.. The clue should be in the name, its meant to be a temporary fix whilst looking to employment

well at least one of them is working.

and there aren't that many jobs about these days.

The point of job seekers is you actively look for work.. The man admitted he doesnt want to get a job or look so he should not be getting that benefit! Its pretty bloody simple

Says you. "

Is he looking for a job... No.. So he should not be getting JOB SEEKERS!

I dont know if you are playing dumb got a reaction or honestly just cant understand what the concept even is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"plenty of other men keep their wives though don't they, its her choice though she doesn't have too.

He's on jobseekers allowance.. The clue should be in the name, its meant to be a temporary fix whilst looking to employment

well at least one of them is working.

and there aren't that many jobs about these days.

this soooo pissed me off!! There are loads of jobs out there if people are.prepared to actually work and don't expect to get fantastic wages right away!!! "

There are loads of jobs going! I am actively looking for work (not claiming any benefits) and if I was fully able I could have applied for over 100 shop and bar work jobs but due to a problem with my leg im unable to... But for anyone to say the jobs arent out there is just silly!!

Im a senior admin/PA level but if a job on min wage as a receptionist came up I wouldnt be too proud too take it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How can 1 claim job seekers if the other has a job/good wage? Somethin ain't right there. Obviously not lajit! That boils my piss too!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"plenty of other men keep their wives though don't they, its her choice though she doesn't have too.

He's on jobseekers allowance.. The clue should be in the name, its meant to be a temporary fix whilst looking to employment

well at least one of them is working.

and there aren't that many jobs about these days.

The point of job seekers is you actively look for work.. The man admitted he doesnt want to get a job or look so he should not be getting that benefit! Its pretty bloody simple

Says you.

Is he looking for a job... No.. So he should not be getting JOB SEEKERS!

I dont know if you are playing dumb got a reaction or honestly just cant understand what the concept even is"

Why worry about it though, lots of people are getting money for nothing not just him.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"boils my piss when all these folks who drink and smoke are a burden on our already hard pressed nhs..

actually it doesn't bother me a lot but one could see how it might..

Not forgeting overweight people too."

and the elderly too..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So in short a man talks crap in the pub to impress his mates?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"plenty of other men keep their wives though don't they, its her choice though she doesn't have too.

He's on jobseekers allowance.. The clue should be in the name, its meant to be a temporary fix whilst looking to employment

well at least one of them is working.

and there aren't that many jobs about these days.

The point of job seekers is you actively look for work.. The man admitted he doesnt want to get a job or look so he should not be getting that benefit! Its pretty bloody simple

Says you.

Is he looking for a job... No.. So he should not be getting JOB SEEKERS!

I dont know if you are playing dumb got a reaction or honestly just cant understand what the concept even is

Why worry about it though, lots of people are getting money for nothing not just him."

And the people who do work and pay taxes pay for these people so i dont worry im pissed off that its claimed falsely!

Honestly sounds like you are doing the same thing how defensive you are

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"So in short a man talks crap in the pub to impress his mates?"

yep..

and someone cops the ump..

suppose it makes a change from my mates friend read it in the daily hell..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Also: intelligence is not knowing everything but questioning everything you know "

Also knowing that you don't know everything.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"

Also: intelligence is not knowing everything but questioning everything you know

Also knowing that you don't know everything."

my dad always says

"knowledge is knowing what you know, wisdom is knowing what you don't know"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He may have been pulling your pisser. Sense of humour thing. If he was quite happy with his life why interfere

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You've had a good day op remind me not to go to the pub with you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He may have been pulling your pisser. Sense of humour thing. If he was quite happy with his life why interfere "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You've had a good day op remind me not to go to the pub with you "

I thought that too. It sounds a shithole doesn;t it? Full of benefit scroungers who steal his chair as soon as his back is turned...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Now I really regret posting this. I was in a Weatherspoons as it was the nearest. I apologise for starting this thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You've had a good day op remind me not to go to the pub with you

I thought that too. It sounds a shithole doesn;t it? Full of benefit scroungers who steal his chair as soon as his back is turned..."

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

Seemed a perfectly reasonable story to me. Not much of a tall tale, see it daily.

Doesnt really matter if it was true good talking point op

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"boils my piss when all these folks who drink and smoke are a burden on our already hard pressed nhs..

actually it doesn't bother me a lot but one could see how it might..

Not forgeting overweight people too.

and the elderly too..

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The elderly cant help getting old though can they.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Seemed a perfectly reasonable story to me. Not much of a tall tale, see it daily.

Doesnt really matter if it was true good talking point op "

Thanks but wish I hadnt mentioned it tbh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"boils my piss when all these folks who drink and smoke are a burden on our already hard pressed nhs..

actually it doesn't bother me a lot but one could see how it might..

Not forgeting overweight people too.

and the elderly too..

The elderly cant help getting old though can they."

Single biggest burden on the welfare system and therefore on our society though

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"Seemed a perfectly reasonable story to me. Not much of a tall tale, see it daily.

Doesnt really matter if it was true good talking point op

Thanks but wish I hadnt mentioned it tbh."

No, its fine. These posts are extremely educational.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Didn't think you coukd claim job seekers if one half was working.

I know I couldn't when my maternity leave ended and I chose to be a stay at home mum.

Like someone else said if I over heard such a thing there is no way I could keep quiet. The first thing out of my mouth would be oh my god you are kidding right.

The guy will be divorced before he knows it"
You can claim it for 6 months if you have paid national ins contributions,then after 6 months they are means tested......most of the fuckers we know getting sick and dole are working ..window cleaners mainly and so easy to find them out but the dole dosent ever latch on,one bloke we know of gets that many different pills from the doc for his illnesses its unreal...he bins them and claims everything , gets that much he has given one of his fiddle jobs up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"boils my piss when all these folks who drink and smoke are a burden on our already hard pressed nhs..

actually it doesn't bother me a lot but one could see how it might..

Not forgeting overweight people too.

and the elderly too..

The elderly cant help getting old though can they.

Single biggest burden on the welfare system and therefore on our society though"

You will be old sooner than you think, I used to think that way about old people too.

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By *eorge17Man
over a year ago

Leven

I'm with OP on this, it makes me angry when there are genuine people in need of state help and can put the money to good use - just like millionaire celebrities who rent out their second homes to their parents and receive £15,000 per year in housing benefit

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

The tone of this thread has swung around since this morning. People getting home from work? seems the ops go at a bum was seen as a genaral attack on benefits claimants by alot of people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"boils my piss when all these folks who drink and smoke are a burden on our already hard pressed nhs..

actually it doesn't bother me a lot but one could see how it might..

Not forgeting overweight people too.

and the elderly too..

The elderly cant help getting old though can they.

Single biggest burden on the welfare system and therefore on our society though

You will be old sooner than you think, I used to think that way about old people too."

I didn't say what i think about old people, I just made an observation. Not least because you appeared to show them some compassion, though that post explains why

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Didn't think you coukd claim job seekers if one half was working.

I know I couldn't when my maternity leave ended and I chose to be a stay at home mum.

Like someone else said if I over heard such a thing there is no way I could keep quiet. The first thing out of my mouth would be oh my god you are kidding right.

The guy will be divorced before he knows itYou can claim it for 6 months if you have paid national ins contributions,then after 6 months they are means tested......most of the fuckers we know getting sick and dole are working ..window cleaners mainly and so easy to find them out but the dole dosent ever latch on,one bloke we know of gets that many different pills from the doc for his illnesses its unreal...he bins them and claims everything , gets that much he has given one of his fiddle jobs up."

And how do you know that about him? Do you think his doctor continually prescribes drugs for non-existent illnesses?

And you could always shop them? It's theft. Unless you condone it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"boils my piss when all these folks who drink and smoke are a burden on our already hard pressed nhs..

actually it doesn't bother me a lot but one could see how it might..

Not forgeting overweight people too.

and the elderly too..

The elderly cant help getting old though can they.

Single biggest burden on the welfare system and therefore on our society though

You will be old sooner than you think, I used to think that way about old people too.

I didn't say what i think about old people, I just made an observation. Not least because you appeared to show them some compassion, though that post explains why"

When I was a bit younger I didn't get on with my parents I guess that's what makes you not care about old people so much, you change as you get older though, some do anyway.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"boils my piss when all these folks who drink and smoke are a burden on our already hard pressed nhs..

actually it doesn't bother me a lot but one could see how it might..

Not forgeting overweight people too.

and the elderly too..

The elderly cant help getting old though can they.

Single biggest burden on the welfare system and therefore on our society though

You will be old sooner than you think, I used to think that way about old people too.

I didn't say what i think about old people, I just made an observation. Not least because you appeared to show them some compassion, though that post explains why

When I was a bit younger I didn't get on with my parents I guess that's what makes you not care about old people so much, you change as you get older though, some do anyway."

I don't think anyone is saying old people are terrible. The observation (which is true by the way) is that pensions make up the largest proportion of the benefits state by a long way. Don't take things so personally.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

Man in pub in "talks some bollocks" shocker.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"boils my piss when all these folks who drink and smoke are a burden on our already hard pressed nhs..

actually it doesn't bother me a lot but one could see how it might..

Not forgeting overweight people too.

and the elderly too..

The elderly cant help getting old though can they.

Single biggest burden on the welfare system and therefore on our society though

You will be old sooner than you think, I used to think that way about old people too.

I didn't say what i think about old people, I just made an observation. Not least because you appeared to show them some compassion, though that post explains why

When I was a bit younger I didn't get on with my parents I guess that's what makes you not care about old people so much, you change as you get older though, some do anyway.

I don't think anyone is saying old people are terrible. The observation (which is true by the way) is that pensions make up the largest proportion of the benefits state by a long way. Don't take things so personally."

No, don't take things so personaly.

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By *arkedMan
over a year ago

Trim


"My local post office was advertising for staff, a man I know said 'why don't you go for it, you could do it' and I said 'why don't you go for it, you don't work' whereas I do "

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over a year ago


"My local post office was advertising for staff, a man I know said 'why don't you go for it, you could do it' and I said 'why don't you go for it, you don't work' whereas I do

Jeez. Then I go back to my table which has my pint and my paper on but my chair has gone. A guy tells me a woman took it despite there being 10 other empty tables and about 30 chairs!!! FML. How do these people not fall over more?

Reasons why I don't go to my local. I'm far too opinionated to be around people who loudly share their stories.

Also... Have you ever noticed that said dolers and such are usually really loud. Unintelligence is usually the loudest, why is that??!!

I can't remember who said it, but the quote was to the effect of

'The problem with the world is that the stupid are full of confidence and the intelligent are full of doubt'

I also like

'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt' "

All wise words!! I'm a pretty confident person - so I need to ponder that first phrase! Ooops! xx

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Sorry but this a rant.

I'm in the pub and went outside for a cig. A group of people are talking and a guy they obviously know walks over to them and they ask him how he is. He says "I'm not good, not good at all. " So they ask him wants wrong. He's gutted cos his mrs wants him to get a job!!! He's whats the point in that. She earns enough and job seekers pays for my beer!! And before anybody says anything he was beind deadly serious.

Sorry but it boils my piss."
We should deport people like that,they are a drain on the country.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Sorry but this a rant.

I'm in the pub and went outside for a cig. A group of people are talking and a guy they obviously know walks over to them and they ask him how he is. He says "I'm not good, not good at all. " So they ask him wants wrong. He's gutted cos his mrs wants him to get a job!!! He's whats the point in that. She earns enough and job seekers pays for my beer!! And before anybody says anything he was beind deadly serious.

Sorry but it boils my piss.We should deport people like that,they are a drain on the country."

where to?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Didn't think you coukd claim job seekers if one half was working.

I know I couldn't when my maternity leave ended and I chose to be a stay at home mum.

Like someone else said if I over heard such a thing there is no way I could keep quiet. The first thing out of my mouth would be oh my god you are kidding right.

The guy will be divorced before he knows itYou can claim it for 6 months if you have paid national ins contributions,then after 6 months they are means tested......most of the fuckers we know getting sick and dole are working ..window cleaners mainly and so easy to find them out but the dole dosent ever latch on,one bloke we know of gets that many different pills from the doc for his illnesses its unreal...he bins them and claims everything , gets that much he has given one of his fiddle jobs up.

And how do you know that about him? Do you think his doctor continually prescribes drugs for non-existent illnesses?

And you could always shop them? It's theft. Unless you condone it?"
Yes the doctors do keep handing out medicines that have been wrongly prescribed and repeat prescriptions are easily obtainable and handed out regardless by lazy doctors who prescribe on peoples word.

Why should we "shop"a dole cheat,the government tax us to death and make it hard for any builder to get a complimentary scratch on the arse if the snow falls and hard times hit,why would i do the job centres job? In our area your not brought up to "snitch" on others and if you were found out your life would not be worth living.

Do not question my ethics as we have both worked full time our whole lives

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

just to point out that even if your partner works then you would still have to go through the process of signing on for jsa (even though you wouldn't get any money) every fortnight to get your £2.70 a week stamp paid .... some circumstances may differ (e.gif you recieve child benefit etc)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry but this a rant.

I'm in the pub and went outside for a cig. A group of people are talking and a guy they obviously know walks over to them and they ask him how he is. He says "I'm not good, not good at all. " So they ask him wants wrong. He's gutted cos his mrs wants him to get a job!!! He's whats the point in that. She earns enough and job seekers pays for my beer!! And before anybody says anything he was beind deadly serious.

Sorry but it boils my piss.We should deport people like that,they are a drain on the country.

where to?"
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Glasgow ....failing that let's try some good forsaken shithole island like the Falklands or... The isle of Mann or Angelsey.. No I kid obviously I mean the isle of Wight

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"Sorry but this a rant.

I'm in the pub and went outside for a cig. A group of people are talking and a guy they obviously know walks over to them and they ask him how he is. He says "I'm not good, not good at all. " So they ask him wants wrong. He's gutted cos his mrs wants him to get a job!!! He's whats the point in that. She earns enough and job seekers pays for my beer!! And before anybody says anything he was beind deadly serious.

Sorry but it boils my piss.We should deport people like that,they are a drain on the country."

First let's tackle all the tax evaders, corrupt MPs and rich con men.

Then let's worry about people getting £50 a week unfairly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Didn't think you coukd claim job seekers if one half was working.

I know I couldn't when my maternity leave ended and I chose to be a stay at home mum.

Like someone else said if I over heard such a thing there is no way I could keep quiet. The first thing out of my mouth would be oh my god you are kidding right.

The guy will be divorced before he knows itYou can claim it for 6 months if you have paid national ins contributions,then after 6 months they are means tested......most of the fuckers we know getting sick and dole are working ..window cleaners mainly and so easy to find them out but the dole dosent ever latch on,one bloke we know of gets that many different pills from the doc for his illnesses its unreal...he bins them and claims everything , gets that much he has given one of his fiddle jobs up.

And how do you know that about him? Do you think his doctor continually prescribes drugs for non-existent illnesses?

And you could always shop them? It's theft. Unless you condone it?Yes the doctors do keep handing out medicines that have been wrongly prescribed and repeat prescriptions are easily obtainable and handed out regardless by lazy doctors who prescribe on peoples word.

Why should we "shop"a dole cheat,the government tax us to death and make it hard for any builder to get a complimentary scratch on the arse if the snow falls and hard times hit,why would i do the job centres job? In our area your not brought up to "snitch" on others and if you were found out your life would not be worth living.

Do not question my ethics as we have both worked full time our whole lives "
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You've got the best idea... Concern yourselves with your own life and let others get on with theirs. I'm thinking a life of humdrumness is one that looked back on will be one that looks wasted but hindsight is in short supply these days

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry but this a rant.

I'm in the pub and went outside for a cig. A group of people are talking and a guy they obviously know walks over to them and they ask him how he is. He says "I'm not good, not good at all. " So they ask him wants wrong. He's gutted cos his mrs wants him to get a job!!! He's whats the point in that. She earns enough and job seekers pays for my beer!! And before anybody says anything he was beind deadly serious.

Sorry but it boils my piss.We should deport people like that,they are a drain on the country.

First let's tackle all the tax evaders, corrupt MPs and rich con men.

Then let's worry about people getting £50 a week unfairly."

They're rich though, so entitled to money by default. You only get rich by working hard and being clever, never by fraud or theft of taxes (and never by your ancestors doing that either).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm with OP on this, it makes me angry when there are genuine people in need of state help and can put the money to good use - just like millionaire celebrities who rent out their second homes to their parents and receive £15,000 per year in housing benefit "
. Can't get housing benefit for home owned by a family member

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The replies on here have really wound me up. I am on Dla and ESA and they make my life hell!! You have to jump through circles to get your money and then if your ill and can't make something you get sanctioned x I'm still not straight from October!! My Drs/ consultant doesn't want me to work but the government do. It's people like the man in the op that give us a bad name and make everything ten times harder. I'd love to work but can't so I'm penalised yet the Alcy down the road gets everything handed on a plate!!!

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By *ilmisseCouple
over a year ago

leicestershire


"The replies on here have really wound me up. I am on Dla and ESA and they make my life hell!! You have to jump through circles to get your money"

And so they should otherwise it would be treated as a free ride by the dishonest claimers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Didn't think you coukd claim job seekers if one half was working.

I know I couldn't when my maternity leave ended and I chose to be a stay at home mum.

Like someone else said if I over heard such a thing there is no way I could keep quiet. The first thing out of my mouth would be oh my god you are kidding right.

The guy will be divorced before he knows itYou can claim it for 6 months if you have paid national ins contributions,then after 6 months they are means tested......most of the fuckers we know getting sick and dole are working ..window cleaners mainly and so easy to find them out but the dole dosent ever latch on,one bloke we know of gets that many different pills from the doc for his illnesses its unreal...he bins them and claims everything , gets that much he has given one of his fiddle jobs up.

And how do you know that about him? Do you think his doctor continually prescribes drugs for non-existent illnesses?

And you could always shop them? It's theft. Unless you condone it?Yes the doctors do keep handing out medicines that have been wrongly prescribed and repeat prescriptions are easily obtainable and handed out regardless by lazy doctors who prescribe on peoples word.

Why should we "shop"a dole cheat,the government tax us to death and make it hard for any builder to get a complimentary scratch on the arse if the snow falls and hard times hit,why would i do the job centres job? In our area your not brought up to "snitch" on others and if you were found out your life would not be worth living.

Do not question my ethics as we have both worked full time our whole lives .

You've got the best idea... Concern yourselves with your own life and let others get on with theirs. I'm thinking a life of humdrumness is one that looked back on will be one that looks wasted but hindsight is in short supply these days "

But they clearly aren't concerning themselves with their own life and letting others get on with theirs? Else they wouldn't be calling people 'fuckers' and postibg about benefit cheats...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry but this a rant.

I'm in the pub and went outside for a cig. A group of people are talking and a guy they obviously know walks over to them and they ask him how he is. He says "I'm not good, not good at all. " So they ask him wants wrong. He's gutted cos his mrs wants him to get a job!!! He's whats the point in that. She earns enough and job seekers pays for my beer!! And before anybody says anything he was beind deadly serious.

Sorry but it boils my piss."

Sounds like he already has a job - village idiot !

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"Completely agree "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The replies on here have really wound me up. I am on Dla and ESA and they make my life hell!! You have to jump through circles to get your money

And so they should otherwise it would be treated as a free ride by the dishonest claimers. "

The Alcy down the road doesn't. Where I hVe to attend meetings n courses etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes the attitude of it, i have heard woman say they will have another baby rather than work.

Now that really winds me up.

Her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow some of the comments on here remind me why I don't read the daily mail! The people drinking and smoking are probably the reason why we still have an NHS considering the tax on cigs & alcohol. This country is in a far bigger mess than "benefit scroungers." Working families finding themselves having to rely on using food banks to feed themselves? Tories said that we were all in austerity together which for most of us hasn't lifted but Mp's recently got a 10% pay rise. Meanwhile the minimum wage is still £1.20 ph below cost of living rate. 3.5million children in the UK are living under the poverty line yet 66% of families living under that line have at least 1 working parent. Charities like oxfam & save the children who you would associate with their work abroad actually having to do work here to help with poverty. We both work for a living but we don't judge people less well off as ourselves and look down our noses at them because we don't know the circumstances that put them there in the first place.

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over a year ago


" Wow some of the comments on here remind me why I don't read the daily mail! The people drinking and smoking are probably the reason why we still have an NHS considering the tax on cigs & alcohol. This country is in a far bigger mess than "benefit scroungers." Working families finding themselves having to rely on using food banks to feed themselves? Tories said that we were all in austerity together which for most of us hasn't lifted but Mp's recently got a 10% pay rise. Meanwhile the minimum wage is still £1.20 ph below cost of living rate. 3.5million children in the UK are living under the poverty line yet 66% of families living under that line have at least 1 working parent. Charities like oxfam & save the children who you would associate with their work abroad actually having to do work here to help with poverty. We both work for a living but we don't judge people less well off as ourselves and look down our noses at them because we don't know the circumstances that put them there i GBn the first place."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

thing is its all very well people saying there are plenty of low paid jobs about, trouble is how can you pay all the bills and live on such low wages?

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago


" Can't get housing benefit for home owned by a family member "

this statement is utterly wrong ... you can claim housing benefit if the family member you are renting the property from does not live there

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


" Wow some of the comments on here remind me why I don't read the daily mail! The people drinking and smoking are probably the reason why we still have an NHS considering the tax on cigs & alcohol. This country is in a far bigger mess than "benefit scroungers." Working families finding themselves having to rely on using food banks to feed themselves? Tories said that we were all in austerity together which for most of us hasn't lifted but Mp's recently got a 10% pay rise. Meanwhile the minimum wage is still £1.20 ph below cost of living rate. 3.5million children in the UK are living under the poverty line yet 66% of families living under that line have at least 1 working parent. Charities like oxfam & save the children who you would associate with their work abroad actually having to do work here to help with poverty. We both work for a living but we don't judge people less well off as ourselves and look down our noses at them because we don't know the circumstances that put them there in the first place."

What a brilliant post

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


" Wow some of the comments on here remind me why I don't read the daily mail! The people drinking and smoking are probably the reason why we still have an NHS considering the tax on cigs & alcohol. This country is in a far bigger mess than "benefit scroungers." Working families finding themselves having to rely on using food banks to feed themselves? Tories said that we were all in austerity together which for most of us hasn't lifted but Mp's recently got a 10% pay rise. Meanwhile the minimum wage is still £1.20 ph below cost of living rate. 3.5million children in the UK are living under the poverty line yet 66% of families living under that line have at least 1 working parent. Charities like oxfam & save the children who you would associate with their work abroad actually having to do work here to help with poverty. We both work for a living but we don't judge people less well off as ourselves and look down our noses at them because we don't know the circumstances that put them there in the first place.

What a brilliant post "

Great post with a lot to think on but the opening post was about someone complaining that he was being told ge should get a job when his oh earns enough for his keep and jsa pays for his beer.

I agree things in this country are bad for a lot of people and people are having to work hard to male ends meet but not evweyone on benefits are like that as the op shows.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Yes the attitude of it, i have heard woman say they will have another baby rather than work.

Now that really winds me up.

Her"

I would say that having a baby and bringing it up is work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes the attitude of it, i have heard woman say they will have another baby rather than work.

Now that really winds me up.

Her

I would say that having a baby and bringing it up is work."

Agree, its not the sort of work I would choose to do having done it once.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


" Wow some of the comments on here remind me why I don't read the daily mail! The people drinking and smoking are probably the reason why we still have an NHS considering the tax on cigs & alcohol. This country is in a far bigger mess than "benefit scroungers." Working families finding themselves having to rely on using food banks to feed themselves? Tories said that we were all in austerity together which for most of us hasn't lifted but Mp's recently got a 10% pay rise. Meanwhile the minimum wage is still £1.20 ph below cost of living rate. 3.5million children in the UK are living under the poverty line yet 66% of families living under that line have at least 1 working parent. Charities like oxfam & save the children who you would associate with their work abroad actually having to do work here to help with poverty. We both work for a living but we don't judge people less well off as ourselves and look down our noses at them because we don't know the circumstances that put them there in the first place.

What a brilliant post

Great post with a lot to think on but the opening post was about someone complaining that he was being told ge should get a job when his oh earns enough for his keep and jsa pays for his beer.

I agree things in this country are bad for a lot of people and people are having to work hard to male ends meet but not evweyone on benefits are like that as the op shows. "

I agree there people do take the piss out of the benefits system but it's the minority rather than the majority.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Didn't think you coukd claim job seekers if one half was working.

I know I couldn't when my maternity leave ended and I chose to be a stay at home mum.

Like someone else said if I over heard such a thing there is no way I could keep quiet. The first thing out of my mouth would be oh my god you are kidding right.

The guy will be divorced before he knows itYou can claim it for 6 months if you have paid national ins contributions,then after 6 months they are means tested......most of the fuckers we know getting sick and dole are working ..window cleaners mainly and so easy to find them out but the dole dosent ever latch on,one bloke we know of gets that many different pills from the doc for his illnesses its unreal...he bins them and claims everything , gets that much he has given one of his fiddle jobs up.

And how do you know that about him? Do you think his doctor continually prescribes drugs for non-existent illnesses?

And you could always shop them? It's theft. Unless you condone it?Yes the doctors do keep handing out medicines that have been wrongly prescribed and repeat prescriptions are easily obtainable and handed out regardless by lazy doctors who prescribe on peoples word.

Why should we "shop"a dole cheat,the government tax us to death and make it hard for any builder to get a complimentary scratch on the arse if the snow falls and hard times hit,why would i do the job centres job? In our area your not brought up to "snitch" on others and if you were found out your life would not be worth living.

Do not question my ethics as we have both worked full time our whole lives .

You've got the best idea... Concern yourselves with your own life and let others get on with theirs. I'm thinking a life of humdrumness is one that looked back on will be one that looks wasted but hindsight is in short supply these days

But they clearly aren't concerning themselves with their own life and letting others get on with theirs? Else they wouldn't be calling people 'fuckers' and postibg about benefit cheats...

"
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1 fuckers could be an accurate description for the people he knows!, I've not met them so I couldn't say whether it's accurate or not.

2 their upset at people they know getting something for nothing! But have refused to join in, I would say this is evidence they are concerning themselves with their own way of life.

3 there are clearly a % of the population cheating on benefits this comes from numerous reasons from not having the chance to earn more to just being out and out lazy bastards.

4 the money were losing to benefit cheats is a drop in the ocean to the amout that is avoided/evaded in taxs by the top 1%

5 if we can't change the culture in the banking system from systemic frauds, lies, thefts, drug use and the get rich at all costs culture......I hold out little hope of curing the same culture from some bints on a council estate doing it at a much smaller scale.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I just think in this country the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago


"I would say that having a baby and bringing it up is work."

yeah right ... try spending 15 hours a day bringing in the rice harvest with it strapped to you in a papoose

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By *et a roomCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

At least some of the deluded and mistaken comments on threads like this act as an extra filter. I wouldn't want to have an encounter with those who believe everything they read in the papers or hear on the grapevine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There a guy gets in my local is always saying stuff along the same lines - opening statements in the bar - a twist usually on the latest media shit storm.

He works off shore so is often about during the day when home.

He does it to get a bite - usually works best when there's folk around who don't know him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would say that having a baby and bringing it up is work.

yeah right ... try spending 15 hours a day bringing in the rice harvest with it strapped to you in a papoose "

I dunno, sounds like fun. Housework, shitty nappies, not to mention how tedious and boring it can be.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago


"There a guy gets in my local is always saying stuff along the same lines - opening statements in the bar - a twist usually on the latest media shit storm.

He works off shore so is often about during the day when home.

He does it to get a bite - usually works best when there's folk around who don't know him

"

there's plenty of agent provocateurs when it comes to igniting the politics of jealousy as demonstrated on this very thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I just think in this country the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. "
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I think it works that way in all counties.... We just excel in it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just watch the TV program called Skint, it's like a different world completely, a proper eye opener.

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By *et a roomCouple
over a year ago

Leeds


"There a guy gets in my local is always saying stuff along the same lines - opening statements in the bar - a twist usually on the latest media shit storm.

He works off shore so is often about during the day when home.

He does it to get a bite - usually works best when there's folk around who don't know him

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"I just think in this country the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. .

I think it works that way in all counties.... We just excel in it "

Lol too true

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By *ancadamMan
over a year ago

Stockport


"Sorry but this a rant.

I'm in the pub and went outside for a cig. A group of people are talking and a guy they obviously know walks over to them and they ask him how he is. He says "I'm not good, not good at all. " So they ask him wants wrong. He's gutted cos his mrs wants him to get a job!!! He's whats the point in that. She earns enough and job seekers pays for my beer!! And before anybody says anything he was beind deadly serious.

Sorry but it boils my piss.We should deport people like that,they are a drain on the country.

First let's tackle all the tax evaders, corrupt MPs and rich con men.

Then let's worry about people getting £50 a week unfairly."
could not agree more .the trend of attacking any benefits claimants merely supports this governments aim to dismantle our welfare system.the wealthy cheats will never be tackled.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've read this exact thread before!

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I was once involved in an argument with a bloke in a bar, many moons ago. His parting shot was "get back to your work and earn my dole money, I want to go out next Saturday night"

Blood still boils at that one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Didn't think you coukd claim job seekers if one half was working.

I know I couldn't when my maternity leave ended and I chose to be a stay at home mum.

Like someone else said if I over heard such a thing there is no way I could keep quiet. The first thing out of my mouth would be oh my god you are kidding right.

The guy will be divorced before he knows itYou can claim it for 6 months if you have paid national ins contributions,then after 6 months they are means tested......most of the fuckers we know getting sick and dole are working ..window cleaners mainly and so easy to find them out but the dole dosent ever latch on,one bloke we know of gets that many different pills from the doc for his illnesses its unreal...he bins them and claims everything , gets that much he has given one of his fiddle jobs up.

And how do you know that about him? Do you think his doctor continually prescribes drugs for non-existent illnesses?

And you could always shop them? It's theft. Unless you condone it?Yes the doctors do keep handing out medicines that have been wrongly prescribed and repeat prescriptions are easily obtainable and handed out regardless by lazy doctors who prescribe on peoples word.

Why should we "shop"a dole cheat,the government tax us to death and make it hard for any builder to get a complimentary scratch on the arse if the snow falls and hard times hit,why would i do the job centres job? In our area your not brought up to "snitch" on others and if you were found out your life would not be worth living.

Do not question my ethics as we have both worked full time our whole lives .

You've got the best idea... Concern yourselves with your own life and let others get on with theirs. I'm thinking a life of humdrumness is one that looked back on will be one that looks wasted but hindsight is in short supply these days

But they clearly aren't concerning themselves with their own life and letting others get on with theirs? Else they wouldn't be calling people 'fuckers' and postibg about benefit cheats...

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We used that as an example on a public forum ...you just carry on being you , we all have the picture .You on the other hand would prefer to prompt someones life 200 miles away!!! thats the only response your getting as know your game...move on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Wow some of the comments on here remind me why I don't read the daily mail! The people drinking and smoking are probably the reason why we still have an NHS considering the tax on cigs & alcohol. This country is in a far bigger mess than "benefit scroungers." Working families finding themselves having to rely on using food banks to feed themselves? Tories said that we were all in austerity together which for most of us hasn't lifted but Mp's recently got a 10% pay rise. Meanwhile the minimum wage is still £1.20 ph below cost of living rate. 3.5million children in the UK are living under the poverty line yet 66% of families living under that line have at least 1 working parent. Charities like oxfam & save the children who you would associate with their work abroad actually having to do work here to help with poverty. We both work for a living but we don't judge people less well off as ourselves and look down our noses at them because we don't know the circumstances that put them there in the first place."
This will sound terrible we know but most of the child poverty we see is because of the parents,they were pregnant at an early age with no qualifications or future and decided to knock out a few kids to gain better benefits and a bigger council house.....should it be rewarded?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Sorry but this a rant.

I'm in the pub and went outside for a cig. A group of people are talking and a guy they obviously know walks over to them and they ask him how he is. He says "I'm not good, not good at all. " So they ask him wants wrong. He's gutted cos his mrs wants him to get a job!!! He's whats the point in that. She earns enough and job seekers pays for my beer!! And before anybody says anything he was beind deadly serious.

Sorry but it boils my piss."

Why does this make him stupid ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who is the more stupid ?

Those that construct the system ?

Those that work within the system ?

Those that support the system ?

Those that pay into the system ?

or

Those that use the system to their best advantage ?

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over a year ago


"This will sound terrible we know but most of the child poverty we see is because of the parents,they were pregnant at an early age with no qualifications or future and decided to knock out a few kids to gain better benefits and a bigger council house.....should it be rewarded? "

More and more working families are being dragged into poverty while successive governments do nothing to curb higher energy and transportation costs. Only the other day a report was made that said childcare was also rising above what alot of families could afford.

Both charities I named in my previous post are doing things that our government should be doing to help kids and adults in poverty improve school results or skills so that they can get the better paid jobs.

The minimum wage instead of making things better for those who work has done the opposite as it gives companies an excuse to pay badly.

The whole benefit culture is a scandal but not just from those minority who abuse this system but also from those who have targeted the weak and vulnerable with their scaremongering as a lot of disabled or disadvantaged have had benefits cut by jobcentre's in a push to meet targets often unfairly. More should be done to help people into work that pays fairly and in proportion with today's cost of living then forcing them into the first job that comes up.

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over a year ago


"This will sound terrible we know but most of the child poverty we see is because of the parents,they were pregnant at an early age with no qualifications or future and decided to knock out a few kids to gain better benefits and a bigger council house.....should it be rewarded?

More and more working families are being dragged into poverty while successive governments do nothing to curb higher energy and transportation costs. Only the other day a report was made that said childcare was also rising above what alot of families could afford.

Both charities I named in my previous post are doing things that our government should be doing to help kids and adults in poverty improve school results or skills so that they can get the better paid jobs.

The minimum wage instead of making things better for those who work has done the opposite as it gives companies an excuse to pay badly.

The whole benefit culture is a scandal but not just from those minority who abuse this system but also from those who have targeted the weak and vulnerable with their scaremongering as a lot of disabled or disadvantaged have had benefits cut by jobcentre's in a push to meet targets often unfairly. More should be done to help people into work that pays fairly and in proportion with today's cost of living then forcing them into the first job that comes up."
We agree with you in most respects but your talking about folk that want to help themselves.....its the other half that are the issue,once they have got into a hole that they engineered they bleat constantly as the money is not there to keep them in the benefit life they have become accustomed too....the only way to break the cycle is to make things harder ,were not referring to all here

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago


"We agree with you in most respects but your talking about folk that want to help themselves.....its the other half that are the issue,once they have got into a hole that they engineered they bleat constantly as the money is not there to keep them in the benefit life they have become accustomed too....the only way to break the cycle is to make things harder ,were not referring to all here "

with respect ..... the only ones bleating on this thread are the ones who aren't on benefit ..... the politics of jealousy is being spoken as i pointed out earlier .... go live your life and enjoy it

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over a year ago


" This will sound terrible we know but most of the child poverty we see is because of the parents,they were pregnant at an early age with no qualifications or future and decided to knock out a few kids to gain better benefits and a bigger council house.....should it be rewarded? "

You aren't entitled to anything but more money if you have more kids. And the kids cost you money so it pans out.

If you have more kids than the housing can house you for (and they rarely build a house especially for people, unless they have special needs children and social services are involved with them), then you miss out on having a home big enough for your children. I have 4 kids, my best mate has 5 and no you don't get given a bigger house at all. Also this government has already capped benefits, which is why so many children were homeless this christmas.

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over a year ago


"with respect ..... the only ones bleating on this thread are the ones who aren't on benefit ..... the politics of jealousy is being spoken as i pointed out earlier .... go live your life and enjoy it"

Peopele on beenfits just get on with it. When i was on benefits i didn't have internet or time to spare because being poor takes up a lot of your time and is not easy at all. No way did i even have time to moan about being poor, was really depressing as well so i wouldn't have had the confidence to even ask for my right to live a decent life where all my basic needs were met.

So glad i am not too poor to afford the basics in life any more. They are my right and i know better now and will fight for them when i'm an old biddy and on a pension (if pensions even still exist then). Brought my kids up to be entitled to heating, food and wearable clothes so they will know it's their right too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He will be lost when they stop paying out the cash soon they will only be paid on a card that states no booze or cigarettes bring it on this will piss some of the work shy lazy bastards off but i feel for the genuine people who try and get work but cant.

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over a year ago


"with respect ..... the only ones bleating on this thread are the ones who aren't on benefit ..... the politics of jealousy is being spoken as i pointed out earlier .... go live your life and enjoy it

Peopele on beenfits just get on with it. When i was on benefits i didn't have internet or time to spare because being poor takes up a lot of your time and is not easy at all. No way did i even have time to moan about being poor, was really depressing as well so i wouldn't have had the confidence to even ask for my right to live a decent life where all my basic needs were met.

So glad i am not too poor to afford the basics in life any more. They are my right and i know better now and will fight for them when i'm an old biddy and on a pension (if pensions even still exist then). Brought my kids up to be entitled to heating, food and wearable clothes so they will know it's their right too."
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You have no right to anything, if you were born in a tribe in the Amazon rain forest, you would be dependent on somebody finding your food, shelter, heat.

The beauty of life is your entitled to nothing except death, everything else you want you have to work for or rely on the generosity of others.

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over a year ago


"with respect ..... the only ones bleating on this thread are the ones who aren't on benefit ..... the politics of jealousy is being spoken as i pointed out earlier .... go live your life and enjoy it

Peopele on beenfits just get on with it. When i was on benefits i didn't have internet or time to spare because being poor takes up a lot of your time and is not easy at all. No way did i even have time to moan about being poor, was really depressing as well so i wouldn't have had the confidence to even ask for my right to live a decent life where all my basic needs were met.

So glad i am not too poor to afford the basics in life any more. They are my right and i know better now and will fight for them when i'm an old biddy and on a pension (if pensions even still exist then). Brought my kids up to be entitled to heating, food and wearable clothes so they will know it's their right too..

You have no right to anything, if you were born in a tribe in the Amazon rain forest, you would be dependent on somebody finding your food, shelter, heat.

The beauty of life is your entitled to nothing except death, everything else you want you have to work for or rely on the generosity of others."

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over a year ago


"with respect ..... the only ones bleating on this thread are the ones who aren't on benefit ..... the politics of jealousy is being spoken as i pointed out earlier .... go live your life and enjoy it

Peopele on beenfits just get on with it. When i was on benefits i didn't have internet or time to spare because being poor takes up a lot of your time and is not easy at all. No way did i even have time to moan about being poor, was really depressing as well so i wouldn't have had the confidence to even ask for my right to live a decent life where all my basic needs were met.

So glad i am not too poor to afford the basics in life any more. They are my right and i know better now and will fight for them when i'm an old biddy and on a pension (if pensions even still exist then). Brought my kids up to be entitled to heating, food and wearable clothes so they will know it's their right too..

You have no right to anything, if you were born in a tribe in the Amazon rain forest, you would be dependent on somebody finding your food, shelter, heat.

The beauty of life is your entitled to nothing except death, everything else you want you have to work for or rely on the generosity of others."

Really? Don't act like you know anything about me or my life or what i'm capable of and do already.

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By *iss_Samantha_LovecockTV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford

blame the government ..they make the rules ..but i agree . lazy twats like this need to be doing community work a few days a week ..

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over a year ago


"with respect ..... the only ones bleating on this thread are the ones who aren't on benefit ..... the politics of jealousy is being spoken as i pointed out earlier .... go live your life and enjoy it

Peopele on beenfits just get on with it. When i was on benefits i didn't have internet or time to spare because being poor takes up a lot of your time and is not easy at all. No way did i even have time to moan about being poor, was really depressing as well so i wouldn't have had the confidence to even ask for my right to live a decent life where all my basic needs were met.

So glad i am not too poor to afford the basics in life any more. They are my right and i know better now and will fight for them when i'm an old biddy and on a pension (if pensions even still exist then). Brought my kids up to be entitled to heating, food and wearable clothes so they will know it's their right too..

You have no right to anything, if you were born in a tribe in the Amazon rain forest, you would be dependent on somebody finding your food, shelter, heat.

The beauty of life is your entitled to nothing except death, everything else you want you have to work for or rely on the generosity of others.

Really? Don't act like you know anything about me or my life or what i'm capable of and do already."
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I've no idea who you are I was replying to your assumption that people are entitled to stuff.

There not, no one is entitled to anything except death or what they've worked for, everything else is by agreement with society

I certainly wasn't trying to act like I know you, unless you were born in the Amazon rain forest!.

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"with respect ..... the only ones bleating on this thread are the ones who aren't on benefit ..... the politics of jealousy is being spoken as i pointed out earlier .... go live your life and enjoy it

Peopele on beenfits just get on with it. When i was on benefits i didn't have internet or time to spare because being poor takes up a lot of your time and is not easy at all. No way did i even have time to moan about being poor, was really depressing as well so i wouldn't have had the confidence to even ask for my right to live a decent life where all my basic needs were met.

So glad i am not too poor to afford the basics in life any more. They are my right and i know better now and will fight for them when i'm an old biddy and on a pension (if pensions even still exist then). Brought my kids up to be entitled to heating, food and wearable clothes so they will know it's their right too..

You have no right to anything, if you were born in a tribe in the Amazon rain forest, you would be dependent on somebody finding your food, shelter, heat.

The beauty of life is your entitled to nothing except death, everything else you want you have to work for or rely on the generosity of others.

Really? Don't act like you know anything about me or my life or what i'm capable of and do already...

I've no idea who you are I was replying to your assumption that people are entitled to stuff.

There not, no one is entitled to anything except death or what they've worked for, everything else is by agreement with society

I certainly wasn't trying to act like I know you, unless you were born in the Amazon rain forest!."

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over a year ago


"with respect ..... the only ones bleating on this thread are the ones who aren't on benefit ..... the politics of jealousy is being spoken as i pointed out earlier .... go live your life and enjoy it

Peopele on beenfits just get on with it. When i was on benefits i didn't have internet or time to spare because being poor takes up a lot of your time and is not easy at all. No way did i even have time to moan about being poor, was really depressing as well so i wouldn't have had the confidence to even ask for my right to live a decent life where all my basic needs were met.

So glad i am not too poor to afford the basics in life any more. They are my right and i know better now and will fight for them when i'm an old biddy and on a pension (if pensions even still exist then). Brought my kids up to be entitled to heating, food and wearable clothes so they will know it's their right too..

You have no right to anything, if you were born in a tribe in the Amazon rain forest, you would be dependent on somebody finding your food, shelter, heat.

The beauty of life is your entitled to nothing except death, everything else you want you have to work for or rely on the generosity of others.

Really? Don't act like you know anything about me or my life or what i'm capable of and do already...

I've no idea who you are I was replying to your assumption that people are entitled to stuff.

There not, no one is entitled to anything except death or what they've worked for, everything else is by agreement with society

I certainly wasn't trying to act like I know you, unless you were born in the Amazon rain forest!."

Perfect reply. So therefore i am entitled to heating, and all the basics in life by default. Apology accepted.

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over a year ago


"with respect ..... the only ones bleating on this thread are the ones who aren't on benefit ..... the politics of jealousy is being spoken as i pointed out earlier .... go live your life and enjoy it

Peopele on beenfits just get on with it. When i was on benefits i didn't have internet or time to spare because being poor takes up a lot of your time and is not easy at all. No way did i even have time to moan about being poor, was really depressing as well so i wouldn't have had the confidence to even ask for my right to live a decent life where all my basic needs were met.

So glad i am not too poor to afford the basics in life any more. They are my right and i know better now and will fight for them when i'm an old biddy and on a pension (if pensions even still exist then). Brought my kids up to be entitled to heating, food and wearable clothes so they will know it's their right too..

You have no right to anything, if you were born in a tribe in the Amazon rain forest, you would be dependent on somebody finding your food, shelter, heat.

The beauty of life is your entitled to nothing except death, everything else you want you have to work for or rely on the generosity of others.

Really? Don't act like you know anything about me or my life or what i'm capable of and do already."
no one is having a go at anyone in need of help...they are talking about the ones that abuse the system , if you do not do that then no need to bite We brought up 4 kids no benefits others need help we were lucky we didnt

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"plenty of other men keep their wives though don't they, its her choice though she doesn't have too."

I think it's the fact that he's claiming Job Seekers Allowance and not actually seeking a job that is annoying people, not that his mrs is working and keeping him

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over a year ago


"plenty of other men keep their wives though don't they, its her choice though she doesn't have too.

I think it's the fact that he's claiming Job Seekers Allowance and not actually seeking a job that is annoying people, not that his mrs is working and keeping him"

Yes as has been mentioned.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"plenty of other men keep their wives though don't they, its her choice though she doesn't have too.

He's on jobseekers allowance.. The clue should be in the name, its meant to be a temporary fix whilst looking to employment

well at least one of them is working.

and there aren't that many jobs about these days.

The point of job seekers is you actively look for work.. The man admitted he doesnt want to get a job or look so he should not be getting that benefit! Its pretty bloody simple

Says you. "

Well actually it is that simple. If he's on Job Seekers Allowance and he's not actively seeking work his benefit can be suspended.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"How can 1 claim job seekers if the other has a job/good wage? Somethin ain't right there. Obviously not lajit! That boils my piss too!"

It's possible that his partner is not on a good wage and the benefit is not actually JSA, or, he has worked, payed his NI stamp, as is entitled to 26 weeks JSA un means tested, provided he is actively seeking work, or, he and his 'partner' do not actually live together, ot, there is an element of fraud involved beyond the fraud of claiming Job Seekers Allowance when not actually seeking a job.

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"with respect ..... the only ones bleating on this thread are the ones who aren't on benefit ..... the politics of jealousy is being spoken as i pointed out earlier .... go live your life and enjoy it

Peopele on beenfits just get on with it. When i was on benefits i didn't have internet or time to spare because being poor takes up a lot of your time and is not easy at all. No way did i even have time to moan about being poor, was really depressing as well so i wouldn't have had the confidence to even ask for my right to live a decent life where all my basic needs were met.

So glad i am not too poor to afford the basics in life any more. They are my right and i know better now and will fight for them when i'm an old biddy and on a pension (if pensions even still exist then). Brought my kids up to be entitled to heating, food and wearable clothes so they will know it's their right too..

You have no right to anything, if you were born in a tribe in the Amazon rain forest, you would be dependent on somebody finding your food, shelter, heat.

The beauty of life is your entitled to nothing except death, everything else you want you have to work for or rely on the generosity of others.

Really? Don't act like you know anything about me or my life or what i'm capable of and do already.no one is having a go at anyone in need of help...they are talking about the ones that abuse the system , if you do not do that then no need to bite We brought up 4 kids no benefits others need help we were lucky we didnt"

it's ok they apologised.

society even treats those who are ostracised forom it as human, so why not everyone else?

we all deserve to be warm, not go hungry, and to have all the basics and necessities that everyone else has. when i'm old i've no doubt i'll be relying on family to keep my in comfort and not any government because that's how it was for previous generations of my family and i don't see any changes really to the system since (apart from nhs, which might be gone some time in the future also).

in liberal countries we have advanced so well in looking after people, this could be worldwide if those over abusing the system paid their way instead of using us (think multi millions avioded in taxes not small amounts of pilfering that don't help but don't really affect the pot as much).

every time we focus on those taking more (and it's one of our own who often takes the least to survive because they can't get the basics any other way) there is a big fuss about it. some people have pointed out the politicians, the wealthy who do not do their bit to be part of society and get away with it and yet nothing is ever done or hardly anyone discusses how this system is designed to produce poverty (be it here or other countries) and focuses on the tiny few who are our own and trying to survive it.

employment is another word for using, i have noticed how the word use is a negative word but applies to other things and not employment any more. a lot of people are being used and sick of it, taxpayers who aren't being paid as much as well as the unemployed being forced into work that pays them nothing, and the tax payers are paying their wages not the companies employing them.

get mad at all this shit too.

bad spelling and that, i type faster than i think.

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over a year ago


"plenty of other men keep their wives though don't they, its her choice though she doesn't have too.

He's on jobseekers allowance.. The clue should be in the name, its meant to be a temporary fix whilst looking to employment

well at least one of them is working.

and there aren't that many jobs about these days.

The point of job seekers is you actively look for work.. The man admitted he doesnt want to get a job or look so he should not be getting that benefit! Its pretty bloody simple

Says you.

Well actually it is that simple. If he's on Job Seekers Allowance and he's not actively seeking work his benefit can be suspended."

Yes, I had worked that one out.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"He may have been pulling your pisser. Sense of humour thing. If he was quite happy with his life why interfere "

Because, if he's claiming benefits, those of us working are paying for him and we'd rather spend that money on something useful.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"boils my piss when all these folks who drink and smoke are a burden on our already hard pressed nhs..

actually it doesn't bother me a lot but one could see how it might..

Not forgeting overweight people too.

and the elderly too..

The elderly cant help getting old though can they."

They could always jump of a tall building when they reach 55

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Hang on, that's a lot closer now than it used to be. Let's make it 75 LOL

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over a year ago


"with respect ..... the only ones bleating on this thread are the ones who aren't on benefit ..... the politics of jealousy is being spoken as i pointed out earlier .... go live your life and enjoy it

Peopele on beenfits just get on with it. When i was on benefits i didn't have internet or time to spare because being poor takes up a lot of your time and is not easy at all. No way did i even have time to moan about being poor, was really depressing as well so i wouldn't have had the confidence to even ask for my right to live a decent life where all my basic needs were met.

So glad i am not too poor to afford the basics in life any more. They are my right and i know better now and will fight for them when i'm an old biddy and on a pension (if pensions even still exist then). Brought my kids up to be entitled to heating, food and wearable clothes so they will know it's their right too..

You have no right to anything, if you were born in a tribe in the Amazon rain forest, you would be dependent on somebody finding your food, shelter, heat.

The beauty of life is your entitled to nothing except death, everything else you want you have to work for or rely on the generosity of others.

Really? Don't act like you know anything about me or my life or what i'm capable of and do already...

I've no idea who you are I was replying to your assumption that people are entitled to stuff.

There not, no one is entitled to anything except death or what they've worked for, everything else is by agreement with society

I certainly wasn't trying to act like I know you, unless you were born in the Amazon rain forest!.

Perfect reply. So therefore i am entitled to heating, and all the basics in life by default. Apology accepted."
. The default of life is death.

The basics of life? Let's break it down to basics so it's easier for you to get your head round.

Your entitled to get off your arse and create heat for your own comfort, that is true but your presumption is that, somebody else should get up of their arse and create heat for your comfort because you can't/won't, that isn't true and your not strictly speaking entitled to that person doing it but if you ask nicely and stop being a demanding bugger,I might.

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"with respect ..... the only ones bleating on this thread are the ones who aren't on benefit ..... the politics of jealousy is being spoken as i pointed out earlier .... go live your life and enjoy it

Peopele on beenfits just get on with it. When i was on benefits i didn't have internet or time to spare because being poor takes up a lot of your time and is not easy at all. No way did i even have time to moan about being poor, was really depressing as well so i wouldn't have had the confidence to even ask for my right to live a decent life where all my basic needs were met.

So glad i am not too poor to afford the basics in life any more. They are my right and i know better now and will fight for them when i'm an old biddy and on a pension (if pensions even still exist then). Brought my kids up to be entitled to heating, food and wearable clothes so they will know it's their right too..

You have no right to anything, if you were born in a tribe in the Amazon rain forest, you would be dependent on somebody finding your food, shelter, heat.

The beauty of life is your entitled to nothing except death, everything else you want you have to work for or rely on the generosity of others.

Really? Don't act like you know anything about me or my life or what i'm capable of and do already...

I've no idea who you are I was replying to your assumption that people are entitled to stuff.

There not, no one is entitled to anything except death or what they've worked for, everything else is by agreement with society

I certainly wasn't trying to act like I know you, unless you were born in the Amazon rain forest!.

Perfect reply. So therefore i am entitled to heating, and all the basics in life by default. Apology accepted.. The default of life is death.

The basics of life? Let's break it down to basics so it's easier for you to get your head round.

Your entitled to get off your arse and create heat for your own comfort, that is true but your presumption is that, somebody else should get up of their arse and create heat for your comfort because you can't/won't, that isn't true and your not strictly speaking entitled to that person doing it but if you ask nicely and stop being a demanding bugger,I might. "

That's the way it is.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Didn't think you coukd claim job seekers if one half was working.

I know I couldn't when my maternity leave ended and I chose to be a stay at home mum.

Like someone else said if I over heard such a thing there is no way I could keep quiet. The first thing out of my mouth would be oh my god you are kidding right.

The guy will be divorced before he knows itYou can claim it for 6 months if you have paid national ins contributions,then after 6 months they are means tested......most of the fuckers we know getting sick and dole are working ..window cleaners mainly and so easy to find them out but the dole dosent ever latch on,one bloke we know of gets that many different pills from the doc for his illnesses its unreal...he bins them and claims everything , gets that much he has given one of his fiddle jobs up.

And how do you know that about him? Do you think his doctor continually prescribes drugs for non-existent illnesses?

"

I don't think they do I KNOW they do


"

And you could always shop them? It's theft. Unless you condone it?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"boils my piss when all these folks who drink and smoke are a burden on our already hard pressed nhs..

actually it doesn't bother me a lot but one could see how it might..

Not forgeting overweight people too.

and the elderly too..

The elderly cant help getting old though can they.

They could always jump of a tall building when they reach 55

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Yep that wouldn't be such a bad idea, in some cases.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Sorry but this a rant.

I'm in the pub and went outside for a cig. A group of people are talking and a guy they obviously know walks over to them and they ask him how he is. He says "I'm not good, not good at all. " So they ask him wants wrong. He's gutted cos his mrs wants him to get a job!!! He's whats the point in that. She earns enough and job seekers pays for my beer!! And before anybody says anything he was beind deadly serious.

Sorry but it boils my piss.We should deport people like that,they are a drain on the country.

First let's tackle all the tax evaders, corrupt MPs and rich con men.

Then let's worry about people getting £50 a week unfairly."

NO. Let's tackle them all. It's not OK to fiddle your benefits just because you believe someone else is fiddling their tax any more than it's OK to fiddle your tax just because you believe someone one else is fiddling their benefits.

It's not an either/or thing. Both are wrong and both should be sorted.

HOWEVER, this thread is about benefits not tax evasion. That's a different subject altogether.

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over a year ago

a lot of people quick to slag of the dole but if i or YOU lost our job for whatever reason you'd all soon b lookin for the dole to tide u over till u find a nxt 1!! nothing worse than judgemental fucktards hu think there above others just because (FOR NOW)there in a better position i know people on dole hu would kill for a job.

when ur lifes fully perfect then speak......am done!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry but this a rant.

I'm in the pub and went outside for a cig. A group of people are talking and a guy they obviously know walks over to them and they ask him how he is. He says "I'm not good, not good at all. " So they ask him wants wrong. He's gutted cos his mrs wants him to get a job!!! He's whats the point in that. She earns enough and job seekers pays for my beer!! And before anybody says anything he was beind deadly serious.

Sorry but it boils my piss.We should deport people like that,they are a drain on the country.

First let's tackle all the tax evaders, corrupt MPs and rich con men.

Then let's worry about people getting £50 a week unfairly.

NO. Let's tackle them all. It's not OK to fiddle your benefits just because you believe someone else is fiddling their tax any more than it's OK to fiddle your tax just because you believe someone one else is fiddling their benefits.

It's not an either/or thing. Both are wrong and both should be sorted.

HOWEVER, this thread is about benefits not tax evasion. That's a different subject altogether."
..aha we concur at last oracle

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"a lot of people quick to slag of the dole but if i or YOU lost our job for whatever reason you'd all soon b lookin for the dole to tide u over till u find a nxt 1!! nothing worse than judgemental fucktards hu think there above others just because (FOR NOW)there in a better position i know people on dole hu would kill for a job.

when ur lifes fully perfect then speak......am done!"

i have got close to signing on once in my adult life but luckily got some agency work before i went for my first week signing on.

I have no issue with people who use it for what it is meant to be used for but even you cannot deny that some people do treat it like a career choice in itself.

Its alright coming on here being all righteous and defending people on benefits but as with all walks of life some people on benefits are not worthy of your defense.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


" Wow some of the comments on here remind me why I don't read the daily mail! The people drinking and smoking are probably the reason why we still have an NHS considering the tax on cigs & alcohol. This country is in a far bigger mess than "benefit scroungers." Working families finding themselves having to rely on using food banks to feed themselves? Tories said that we were all in austerity together which for most of us hasn't lifted but Mp's recently got a 10% pay rise. Meanwhile the minimum wage is still £1.20 ph below cost of living rate. 3.5million children in the UK are living under the poverty line yet 66% of families living under that line have at least 1 working parent. Charities like oxfam & save the children who you would associate with their work abroad actually having to do work here to help with poverty. We both work for a living but we don't judge people less well off as ourselves and look down our noses at them because we don't know the circumstances that put them there in the first place.

What a brilliant post

Great post with a lot to think on but the opening post was about someone complaining that he was being told ge should get a job when his oh earns enough for his keep and jsa pays for his beer.

I agree things in this country are bad for a lot of people and people are having to work hard to male ends meet but not evweyone on benefits are like that as the op shows.

I agree there people do take the piss out of the benefits system but it's the minority rather than the majority.

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It probably is a minority but it still should be addressed.

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over a year ago


"Sorry but this a rant.

I'm in the pub and went outside for a cig. A group of people are talking and a guy they obviously know walks over to them and they ask him how he is. He says "I'm not good, not good at all. " So they ask him wants wrong. He's gutted cos his mrs wants him to get a job!!! He's whats the point in that. She earns enough and job seekers pays for my beer!! And before anybody says anything he was beind deadly serious.

Sorry but it boils my piss.We should deport people like that,they are a drain on the country.

First let's tackle all the tax evaders, corrupt MPs and rich con men.

Then let's worry about people getting £50 a week unfairly.

NO. Let's tackle them all. It's not OK to fiddle your benefits just because you believe someone else is fiddling their tax any more than it's OK to fiddle your tax just because you believe someone one else is fiddling their benefits.

It's not an either/or thing. Both are wrong and both should be sorted.

HOWEVER, this thread is about benefits not tax evasion. That's a different subject altogether."

It's about someone managing their finances a certain and not wanting to work and then talking about that, someone heard them decided it pissed them off. Then all the people who like to prejudice benefit claimants came in and others decided hold on a minute, why does no-one make topics about tax evasion and brought it up. JSA there are requirements to claiming it, if the job centre give him that money then he is entitled to it, end of. No benefit fraud mentioned in the OP at all.

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over a year ago


"with respect ..... the only ones bleating on this thread are the ones who aren't on benefit ..... the politics of jealousy is being spoken as i pointed out earlier .... go live your life and enjoy it

Peopele on beenfits just get on with it. When i was on benefits i didn't have internet or time to spare because being poor takes up a lot of your time and is not easy at all. No way did i even have time to moan about being poor, was really depressing as well so i wouldn't have had the confidence to even ask for my right to live a decent life where all my basic needs were met.

So glad i am not too poor to afford the basics in life any more. They are my right and i know better now and will fight for them when i'm an old biddy and on a pension (if pensions even still exist then). Brought my kids up to be entitled to heating, food and wearable clothes so they will know it's their right too..

You have no right to anything, if you were born in a tribe in the Amazon rain forest, you would be dependent on somebody finding your food, shelter, heat.

The beauty of life is your entitled to nothing except death, everything else you want you have to work for or rely on the generosity of others.

Really? Don't act like you know anything about me or my life or what i'm capable of and do already.no one is having a go at anyone in need of help...they are talking about the ones that abuse the system , if you do not do that then no need to bite We brought up 4 kids no benefits others need help we were lucky we didnt

it's ok they apologised.

society even treats those who are ostracised forom it as human, so why not everyone else?

we all deserve to be warm, not go hungry, and to have all the basics and necessities that everyone else has. when i'm old i've no doubt i'll be relying on family to keep my in comfort and not any government because that's how it was for previous generations of my family and i don't see any changes really to the system since (apart from nhs, which might be gone some time in the future also).

in liberal countries we have advanced so well in looking after people, this could be worldwide if those over abusing the system paid their way instead of using us (think multi millions avioded in taxes not small amounts of pilfering that don't help but don't really affect the pot as much).

every time we focus on those taking more (and it's one of our own who often takes the least to survive because they can't get the basics any other way) there is a big fuss about it. some people have pointed out the politicians, the wealthy who do not do their bit to be part of society and get away with it and yet nothing is ever done or hardly anyone discusses how this system is designed to produce poverty (be it here or other countries) and focuses on the tiny few who are our own and trying to survive it.

employment is another word for using, i have noticed how the word use is a negative word but applies to other things and not employment any more. a lot of people are being used and sick of it, taxpayers who aren't being paid as much as well as the unemployed being forced into work that pays them nothing, and the tax payers are paying their wages not the companies employing them.

get mad at all this shit too.

bad spelling and that, i type faster than i think."

No, they didn't apologise.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

The only thing to be pissed off about is the single individual posted about.

To extrapolate from that to bolster unpleasant prejudices makes no sense to me. I'd rather save my energies for more important pursuits than trying to justify hatred against a whole group of people.

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over a year ago


"with respect ..... the only ones bleating on this thread are the ones who aren't on benefit ..... the politics of jealousy is being spoken as i pointed out earlier .... go live your life and enjoy it

Peopele on beenfits just get on with it. When i was on benefits i didn't have internet or time to spare because being poor takes up a lot of your time and is not easy at all. No way did i even have time to moan about being poor, was really depressing as well so i wouldn't have had the confidence to even ask for my right to live a decent life where all my basic needs were met.

So glad i am not too poor to afford the basics in life any more. They are my right and i know better now and will fight for them when i'm an old biddy and on a pension (if pensions even still exist then). Brought my kids up to be entitled to heating, food and wearable clothes so they will know it's their right too..

You have no right to anything, if you were born in a tribe in the Amazon rain forest, you would be dependent on somebody finding your food, shelter, heat.

The beauty of life is your entitled to nothing except death, everything else you want you have to work for or rely on the generosity of others.

Really? Don't act like you know anything about me or my life or what i'm capable of and do already.no one is having a go at anyone in need of help...they are talking about the ones that abuse the system , if you do not do that then no need to bite We brought up 4 kids no benefits others need help we were lucky we didnt

it's ok they apologised.

society even treats those who are ostracised forom it as human, so why not everyone else?

we all deserve to be warm, not go hungry, and to have all the basics and necessities that everyone else has. when i'm old i've no doubt i'll be relying on family to keep my in comfort and not any government because that's how it was for previous generations of my family and i don't see any changes really to the system since (apart from nhs, which might be gone some time in the future also).

in liberal countries we have advanced so well in looking after people, this could be worldwide if those over abusing the system paid their way instead of using us (think multi millions avioded in taxes not small amounts of pilfering that don't help but don't really affect the pot as much).

every time we focus on those taking more (and it's one of our own who often takes the least to survive because they can't get the basics any other way) there is a big fuss about it. some people have pointed out the politicians, the wealthy who do not do their bit to be part of society and get away with it and yet nothing is ever done or hardly anyone discusses how this system is designed to produce poverty (be it here or other countries) and focuses on the tiny few who are our own and trying to survive it.

employment is another word for using, i have noticed how the word use is a negative word but applies to other things and not employment any more. a lot of people are being used and sick of it, taxpayers who aren't being paid as much as well as the unemployed being forced into work that pays them nothing, and the tax payers are paying their wages not the companies employing them.

get mad at all this shit too.

bad spelling and that, i type faster than i think.

No, they didn't apologise.

"

They said they were wrong to deny me my rights. i accept that as their initial statement was wrong and therefore an apology.

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over a year ago


"a lot of people quick to slag of the dole but if i or YOU lost our job for whatever reason you'd all soon b lookin for the dole to tide u over till u find a nxt 1!! nothing worse than judgemental fucktards hu think there above others just because (FOR NOW)there in a better position i know people on dole hu would kill for a job.

when ur lifes fully perfect then speak......am done!

i have got close to signing on once in my adult life but luckily got some agency work before i went for my first week signing on.

I have no issue with people who use it for what it is meant to be used for but even you cannot deny that some people do treat it like a career choice in itself.

yeahh that is true n them people are sick hu like being onit n wont find a job suppose its yin n yang in a way u have people who genuinly need the help n others hu think there owed it n abuse it unfortunatly theres no way of filtering them out but for some people its a lifeline n they have no option was just saying its 50/50

Its alright coming on here being all righteous and defending people on benefits but as with all walks of life some people on benefits are not worthy of your defense."

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Didn't think you coukd claim job seekers if one half was working.

I know I couldn't when my maternity leave ended and I chose to be a stay at home mum.

Like someone else said if I over heard such a thing there is no way I could keep quiet. The first thing out of my mouth would be oh my god you are kidding right.

The guy will be divorced before he knows itYou can claim it for 6 months if you have paid national ins contributions,then after 6 months they are means tested......most of the fuckers we know getting sick and dole are working ..window cleaners mainly and so easy to find them out but the dole dosent ever latch on,one bloke we know of gets that many different pills from the doc for his illnesses its unreal...he bins them and claims everything , gets that much he has given one of his fiddle jobs up.

And how do you know that about him? Do you think his doctor continually prescribes drugs for non-existent illnesses?

And you could always shop them? It's theft. Unless you condone it?Yes the doctors do keep handing out medicines that have been wrongly prescribed and repeat prescriptions are easily obtainable and handed out regardless by lazy doctors who prescribe on peoples word.

Why should we "shop"a dole cheat,the government tax us to death and make it hard for any builder to get a complimentary scratch on the arse if the snow falls and hard times hit,why would i do the job centres job? In our area your not brought up to "snitch" on others and if you were found out your life would not be worth living.

Do not question my ethics as we have both worked full time our whole lives .

You've got the best idea... Concern yourselves with your own life and let others get on with theirs. I'm thinking a life of humdrumness is one that looked back on will be one that looks wasted but hindsight is in short supply these days

But they clearly aren't concerning themselves with their own life and letting others get on with theirs? Else they wouldn't be calling people 'fuckers' and postibg about benefit cheats...

.

1 fuckers could be an accurate description for the people he knows!, I've not met them so I couldn't say whether it's accurate or not.

2 their upset at people they know getting something for nothing! But have refused to join in, I would say this is evidence they are concerning themselves with their own way of life.

3 there are clearly a % of the population cheating on benefits this comes from numerous reasons from not having the chance to earn more to just being out and out lazy bastards.

4 the money were losing to benefit cheats is a drop in the ocean to the amout that is avoided/evaded in taxs by the top 1%

"

You can not compare Tax avoidance with either tax evasion or benefits fraud. Benefits fraud and tax evasion are illegal, tax avoidance is completely legal.

The top 1% of the 'rich' actually pay between 25% to 30% of all personal taxes collected. They are also extremely unlikely to risk any form of tax evasion.

Most tax avoidance, which, to remind you, is legal, is not done by individuals but by corporations.


"

5 if we can't change the culture in the banking system from systemic frauds, lies, thefts, drug use and the get rich at all costs culture......I hold out little hope of curing the same culture from some bints on a council estate doing it at a much smaller scale. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Didn't think you coukd claim job seekers if one half was working.

I know I couldn't when my maternity leave ended and I chose to be a stay at home mum.

Like someone else said if I over heard such a thing there is no way I could keep quiet. The first thing out of my mouth would be oh my god you are kidding right.

The guy will be divorced before he knows itYou can claim it for 6 months if you have paid national ins contributions,then after 6 months they are means tested......most of the fuckers we know getting sick and dole are working ..window cleaners mainly and so easy to find them out but the dole dosent ever latch on,one bloke we know of gets that many different pills from the doc for his illnesses its unreal...he bins them and claims everything , gets that much he has given one of his fiddle jobs up.

And how do you know that about him? Do you think his doctor continually prescribes drugs for non-existent illnesses?

And you could always shop them? It's theft. Unless you condone it?Yes the doctors do keep handing out medicines that have been wrongly prescribed and repeat prescriptions are easily obtainable and handed out regardless by lazy doctors who prescribe on peoples word.

Why should we "shop"a dole cheat,the government tax us to death and make it hard for any builder to get a complimentary scratch on the arse if the snow falls and hard times hit,why would i do the job centres job? In our area your not brought up to "snitch" on others and if you were found out your life would not be worth living.

Do not question my ethics as we have both worked full time our whole lives .

You've got the best idea... Concern yourselves with your own life and let others get on with theirs. I'm thinking a life of humdrumness is one that looked back on will be one that looks wasted but hindsight is in short supply these days

But they clearly aren't concerning themselves with their own life and letting others get on with theirs? Else they wouldn't be calling people 'fuckers' and postibg about benefit cheats...

.

1 fuckers could be an accurate description for the people he knows!, I've not met them so I couldn't say whether it's accurate or not.

2 their upset at people they know getting something for nothing! But have refused to join in, I would say this is evidence they are concerning themselves with their own way of life.

3 there are clearly a % of the population cheating on benefits this comes from numerous reasons from not having the chance to earn more to just being out and out lazy bastards.

4 the money were losing to benefit cheats is a drop in the ocean to the amout that is avoided/evaded in taxs by the top 1%

You can not compare Tax avoidance with either tax evasion or benefits fraud. Benefits fraud and tax evasion are illegal, tax avoidance is completely legal.

The top 1% of the 'rich' actually pay between 25% to 30% of all personal taxes collected. They are also extremely unlikely to risk any form of tax evasion.

Most tax avoidance, which, to remind you, is legal, is not done by individuals but by corporations.

5 if we can't change the culture in the banking system from systemic frauds, lies, thefts, drug use and the get rich at all costs culture......I hold out little hope of curing the same culture from some bints on a council estate doing it at a much smaller scale. "
.

It's only avoidance because they write the laws, I think you'd find if the majority has actual rule 99% of avoidance would be evasion!.

The top 1% have 93% of the wealth by your own figures there evading tax or there'd be paying alot more than your claimed 25-30%.

Jimmy Carr personally avoided income tax through his company!.

Is it individual or corporation, it's a fine line.

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over a year ago


"with respect ..... the only ones bleating on this thread are the ones who aren't on benefit ..... the politics of jealousy is being spoken as i pointed out earlier .... go live your life and enjoy it

Peopele on beenfits just get on with it. When i was on benefits i didn't have internet or time to spare because being poor takes up a lot of your time and is not easy at all. No way did i even have time to moan about being poor, was really depressing as well so i wouldn't have had the confidence to even ask for my right to live a decent life where all my basic needs were met.

So glad i am not too poor to afford the basics in life any more. They are my right and i know better now and will fight for them when i'm an old biddy and on a pension (if pensions even still exist then). Brought my kids up to be entitled to heating, food and wearable clothes so they will know it's their right too..

You have no right to anything, if you were born in a tribe in the Amazon rain forest, you would be dependent on somebody finding your food, shelter, heat.

The beauty of life is your entitled to nothing except death, everything else you want you have to work for or rely on the generosity of others.

Really? Don't act like you know anything about me or my life or what i'm capable of and do already.no one is having a go at anyone in need of help...they are talking about the ones that abuse the system , if you do not do that then no need to bite We brought up 4 kids no benefits others need help we were lucky we didnt

it's ok they apologised.

society even treats those who are ostracised forom it as human, so why not everyone else?

we all deserve to be warm, not go hungry, and to have all the basics and necessities that everyone else has. when i'm old i've no doubt i'll be relying on family to keep my in comfort and not any government because that's how it was for previous generations of my family and i don't see any changes really to the system since (apart from nhs, which might be gone some time in the future also).

in liberal countries we have advanced so well in looking after people, this could be worldwide if those over abusing the system paid their way instead of using us (think multi millions avioded in taxes not small amounts of pilfering that don't help but don't really affect the pot as much).

every time we focus on those taking more (and it's one of our own who often takes the least to survive because they can't get the basics any other way) there is a big fuss about it. some people have pointed out the politicians, the wealthy who do not do their bit to be part of society and get away with it and yet nothing is ever done or hardly anyone discusses how this system is designed to produce poverty (be it here or other countries) and focuses on the tiny few who are our own and trying to survive it.

employment is another word for using, i have noticed how the word use is a negative word but applies to other things and not employment any more. a lot of people are being used and sick of it, taxpayers who aren't being paid as much as well as the unemployed being forced into work that pays them nothing, and the tax payers are paying their wages not the companies employing them.

get mad at all this shit too.

bad spelling and that, i type faster than i think.

No, they didn't apologise.

They said they were wrong to deny me my rights. i accept that as their initial statement was wrong and therefore an apology."

You may have interpretated it that way, I don't.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"I just think in this country the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. .

I think it works that way in all counties.... We just excel in it "

You've clearly not been to many countries out side of North Western Europe. If you have you must have had your eyes shut.

The fact that we even talk about it would surprise many other countries.

But the reality is that, taking the last 100 years, the rich have got richer but the poor have got richer even faster. The gap between the rich and the poor is less now than it was 100 years ago.

However, in the last 20 years or so the gap between the rich and the poor has started to grow again. This wasn't too much of a problem at first because the poor were still getting richer. We are now in the situation were most are actually getting poorer so, although the rich are getting richer, the poor, along with most of the rest of us, are actually getting poorer. But, oddly enough, the rate the gap is increasing between the very rich and very poor is actually lower now than it was 5 to 10 years ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"with respect ..... the only ones bleating on this thread are the ones who aren't on benefit ..... the politics of jealousy is being spoken as i pointed out earlier .... go live your life and enjoy it

Peopele on beenfits just get on with it. When i was on benefits i didn't have internet or time to spare because being poor takes up a lot of your time and is not easy at all. No way did i even have time to moan about being poor, was really depressing as well so i wouldn't have had the confidence to even ask for my right to live a decent life where all my basic needs were met.

So glad i am not too poor to afford the basics in life any more. They are my right and i know better now and will fight for them when i'm an old biddy and on a pension (if pensions even still exist then). Brought my kids up to be entitled to heating, food and wearable clothes so they will know it's their right too..

You have no right to anything, if you were born in a tribe in the Amazon rain forest, you would be dependent on somebody finding your food, shelter, heat.

The beauty of life is your entitled to nothing except death, everything else you want you have to work for or rely on the generosity of others.

Really? Don't act like you know anything about me or my life or what i'm capable of and do already.no one is having a go at anyone in need of help...they are talking about the ones that abuse the system , if you do not do that then no need to bite We brought up 4 kids no benefits others need help we were lucky we didnt

it's ok they apologised.

society even treats those who are ostracised forom it as human, so why not everyone else?

we all deserve to be warm, not go hungry, and to have all the basics and necessities that everyone else has. when i'm old i've no doubt i'll be relying on family to keep my in comfort and not any government because that's how it was for previous generations of my family and i don't see any changes really to the system since (apart from nhs, which might be gone some time in the future also).

in liberal countries we have advanced so well in looking after people, this could be worldwide if those over abusing the system paid their way instead of using us (think multi millions avioded in taxes not small amounts of pilfering that don't help but don't really affect the pot as much).

every time we focus on those taking more (and it's one of our own who often takes the least to survive because they can't get the basics any other way) there is a big fuss about it. some people have pointed out the politicians, the wealthy who do not do their bit to be part of society and get away with it and yet nothing is ever done or hardly anyone discusses how this system is designed to produce poverty (be it here or other countries) and focuses on the tiny few who are our own and trying to survive it.

employment is another word for using, i have noticed how the word use is a negative word but applies to other things and not employment any more. a lot of people are being used and sick of it, taxpayers who aren't being paid as much as well as the unemployed being forced into work that pays them nothing, and the tax payers are paying their wages not the companies employing them.

get mad at all this shit too.

bad spelling and that, i type faster than i think.

No, they didn't apologise.

They said they were wrong to deny me my rights. i accept that as their initial statement was wrong and therefore an apology.

You may have interpretated it that way, I don't. "
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I said she didn't have any rights not that I wanted to deny them to her.

Bankers really get on my tits the whole fucking system is corrupt and one long scam for rich twats to scive off working people, they have a culture of doing fuck all, taking drugs, they have a perverse sense of meaning, they pay nothing towards society and take as much as they can get..... Unfortunately

SOME people on benefits are exactly the same, they just cost us less.

The morality of the story is that no one should be seen to get away with being beyond the law or it spreads like wildfire to every part of society, the result will always be ordinary decent people suffer first and most because of two reasons, the scumbags at the lower end have no repercussions as they live with nothing to take away except there dole, fines and prisons are away of life to most of them and their third or fourth generation work shy bums.

The higher end though would respond to fines and prisons as they have an awful lot to lose, the only reason they "get away" with it, is because they run government by the backdoor.

So moral ambiguity a side I really don't see a solution only a downward spiral.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Sorry but this a rant.

I'm in the pub and went outside for a cig. A group of people are talking and a guy they obviously know walks over to them and they ask him how he is. He says "I'm not good, not good at all. " So they ask him wants wrong. He's gutted cos his mrs wants him to get a job!!! He's whats the point in that. She earns enough and job seekers pays for my beer!! And before anybody says anything he was beind deadly serious.

Sorry but it boils my piss.We should deport people like that,they are a drain on the country.

First let's tackle all the tax evaders, corrupt MPs and rich con men.

Then let's worry about people getting £50 a week unfairly.

NO. Let's tackle them all. It's not OK to fiddle your benefits just because you believe someone else is fiddling their tax any more than it's OK to fiddle your tax just because you believe someone one else is fiddling their benefits.

It's not an either/or thing. Both are wrong and both should be sorted.

HOWEVER, this thread is about benefits not tax evasion. That's a different subject altogether.

It's about someone managing their finances a certain and not wanting to work and then talking about that, someone heard them decided it pissed them off. Then all the people who like to prejudice benefit claimants came in and others decided hold on a minute, why does no-one make topics about tax evasion and brought it up. JSA there are requirements to claiming it, if the job centre give him that money then he is entitled to it, end of. No benefit fraud mentioned in the OP at all."

I never said the thread was about benefits fraud, I said it was about benefits. But I agree, if he is legally entitled to the benefit then he should be given it. However, if he's not actively seeking work then he's not legally entitled to claim Job Seekers Allowance and if he is that is a fraud.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They said they were wrong to deny me my rights. i accept that as their initial statement was wrong and therefore an apology.

You may have interpretated it that way, I don't. .

I said she didn't have any rights not that I wanted to deny them to her.

Bankers really get on my tits the whole fucking system is corrupt and one long scam for rich twats to scive off working people, they have a culture of doing fuck all, taking drugs, they have a perverse sense of meaning, they pay nothing towards society and take as much as they can get..... Unfortunately

SOME people on benefits are exactly the same, they just cost us less.

The morality of the story is that no one should be seen to get away with being beyond the law or it spreads like wildfire to every part of society, the result will always be ordinary decent people suffer first and most because of two reasons, the scumbags at the lower end have no repercussions as they live with nothing to take away except there dole, fines and prisons are away of life to most of them and their third or fourth generation work shy bums.

The higher end though would respond to fines and prisons as they have an awful lot to lose, the only reason they "get away" with it, is because they run government by the backdoor.

So moral ambiguity a side I really don't see a solution only a downward spiral."

By saying i don't have rights is denying them. I do have rights, and society says i do.

We don't partake in their system and that's how the system loses it's power.

Thing is, so many rely on the system it would be impossible to be rid of it, or at least not have it a ruling force that the majority approve of.

And it is for this reason why those not partaking in the system are looked down on, because we have a system that says partake in me or be looked on as wrong and then the system can continue to rule over you and make the rules and tell anyone outside of it they are wrong and their lifestyle is wrong. All the rich, the queen, the government, they want you to act like this, to serve them and their country, not our country but theirs.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

and so the politics of jealousy continues to be spoken until the magic number 175 is reached .... then the cycle will no doubt repeat itself ad infinitum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There sure is some fucked up thinking on these threads

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

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"and so the politics of jealousy continues to be spoken until the magic number 175 is reached .... then the cycle will no doubt repeat itself ad infinitum "

I genuinely don't understand what you mean by the politics of jealousy. Can you expand a little for me?

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago


"and so the politics of jealousy continues to be spoken until the magic number 175 is reached .... then the cycle will no doubt repeat itself ad infinitum

I genuinely don't understand what you mean by the politics of jealousy. Can you expand a little for me? "

hmmmm ..... now from what i read of your posts on the forums i believe you to be pretty clued up ..... are you sure you don't understand what i mean by "the politics of jealousy" when it comes to this kind of thread? or are you just trying to wrong foot me by getting me to expand and then pick holes. i'll let you work it out as i know that you already know what i mean.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

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"and so the politics of jealousy continues to be spoken until the magic number 175 is reached .... then the cycle will no doubt repeat itself ad infinitum

I genuinely don't understand what you mean by the politics of jealousy. Can you expand a little for me?

hmmmm ..... now from what i read of your posts on the forums i believe you to be pretty clued up ..... are you sure you don't understand what i mean by "the politics of jealousy" when it comes to this kind of thread? or are you just trying to wrong foot me by getting me to expand and then pick holes. i'll let you work it out as i know that you already know what i mean."

I'm sorry you feel that way but I genuinely don't understand that phrase. I'll Google it I'll get a straightforward answer.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"and so the politics of jealousy continues to be spoken until the magic number 175 is reached .... then the cycle will no doubt repeat itself ad infinitum "

So people who moan about those abusing the benefit system that the work in amongst us pay into are jealous, have I got that right?

I have no problem with these who use the system for what its meant to be used for but why should I work and pay my taxes for someone who has no inclination or intention to get a job to sit around and mugg me off for it? That's not jealousy, its incredulation! I would hate to be that person. I like going to work and earning money to buy the things I want and need. I can think of nothing worse than wasting my days away on the dole. Some peoples sense of entitlement from others is disgusting. I'll work to keep you in basics but not luxury.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago


" I'll work to keep you in basics but not luxury. "

no need for you to do either .... i'm quite capable of looking after myself without your help or the governments thanks all the same

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

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Googled it. It seems the politics of envy or jealousy are about certain politicians wanting the wealthy to contribute more.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago


"Googled it. It seems the politics of envy or jealousy are about certain politicians wanting the wealthy to contribute more."

you need to do more research then .... i'm guessing that the soundbite you found is probably from a daily mail report in the last 3-4 years that tried to hi-jack the term ... no one political party or ideology can lay claim to the phrase even though, ironically enough, many have attempted to do so in order to further their own agenda

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

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"Googled it. It seems the politics of envy or jealousy are about certain politicians wanting the wealthy to contribute more.

you need to do more research then .... i'm guessing that the soundbite you found is probably from a daily mail report in the last 3-4 years that tried to hi-jack the term ... no one political party or ideology can lay claim to the phrase even though, ironically enough, many have attempted to do so in order to further their own agenda "

It was from the Telegraph.

I had hoped you would tell me but you just seem to want to point out my lack of knowledge rather than help me out on it. I'll read up on it when I have more time

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

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"Googled it. It seems the politics of envy or jealousy are about certain politicians wanting the wealthy to contribute more.

you need to do more research then .... i'm guessing that the soundbite you found is probably from a daily mail report in the last 3-4 years that tried to hi-jack the term ... no one political party or ideology can lay claim to the phrase even though, ironically enough, many have attempted to do so in order to further their own agenda "

It was from the Telegraph.

I had hoped you would tell me but you just seem to want to point out my lack of knowledge rather than help me out on it. I'll read up on it when I have more time

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

Glad thats over

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago


"Googled it. It seems the politics of envy or jealousy are about certain politicians wanting the wealthy to contribute more.

you need to do more research then .... i'm guessing that the soundbite you found is probably from a daily mail report in the last 3-4 years that tried to hi-jack the term ... no one political party or ideology can lay claim to the phrase even though, ironically enough, many have attempted to do so in order to further their own agenda

It was from the Telegraph.

I had hoped you would tell me but you just seem to want to point out my lack of knowledge rather than help me out on it. I'll read up on it when I have more time"

some folks are jealous of those that they think are getting a free ride from society while others are jealous that society is holding them back by keeping them "down" .... they expend their energy by bickering and arguing with each other going round and round in ever decreasing circles, it is no fault of either party for the circumstance of the other but they both fail to see that it is the fault of the society in which they are both forced to live in..... this is a concise definition of course but i hope it helps you to see what the phrase means

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's human nature, we know for a fact there's shirkers and parasites at the higher end of the scale we've seen it in the banking industry.

Why would anyone think it's any different at the lower end of the scale or for that matter in the middle bit..... Nobody pays taxs voluntary that's why we have laws forcing you to pay and that's why we have laws to stop people abusing benefits or they would do.

We just need the laws enforcing more.

There's a bloody good reason they don't though and that's because division is always better than unity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In not jealous of anyone (well maybe John Holmes but without the death).

I dislike lazy cunts, be they poor or wealthy or something in between its the worst of human traits.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

i don't care if people chose to be lazy or if they chose to work themselves to death really ..... both ideas seem to be be pointless and don't really affect me to be fair

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Humans were a bunch of scumbags when times are good and curiously we seem to be a lot better when times are hard.

If things didn't effect us what would be the point of life,I get sad because things effect me if I didn't get sad I wouldn't know what joy was. All superheroes need an arch enemy just like love needs hate or calm needs anger, if I wanted one long harmonious cotton wool feeling of tranquility sat on my arse feeling nothing I'd take heroin.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

i feel stuff ... but i chose only to feel the stuff that matters to me .... please feel free to feel about the stuff that matters to you ..... anyway, what happens when this thread gets to 200 .... does the forum reach critical mass and implode or do we just get taken out and shot by admin?

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