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Green renewable energy, it could not be simpler

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By *ushroom7 OP   Man
over a year ago

Bradford

A solution to stop all those people who find offshore wind farms unappealing.

Hands up, how may of you, as toddlers have begged your mum or dad for 1/3d to purchase a stick windmill at the seaside and then marvelled at how the thing whizzes round in the breeze? Lots.

Ok, maybe not the 1/3d bit.

So, planning department, just change the design slightly and paint the fookers pretty pastel colours.

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By *etillanteWoman
over a year ago

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Crumbs where they really so much, no wonder me dad wouldn;t buy me one, he was too tight to spend that much money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

aww i loved them!!

there a few wind farms near me out in the country and i dont mind them i think they nice but would look better in nice colours! x

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By *ushroom7 OP   Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"Crumbs where they really so much, no wonder me dad wouldn;t buy me one, he was too tight to spend that much money "

May i remind you there are ages on each profile and have you heard of inflation.

Sorry, with huge grin

xx

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

I think all wind farms should be bright and sparkly

They look spooky as they are at the moment

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By *etillanteWoman
over a year ago

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"Crumbs where they really so much, no wonder me dad wouldn;t buy me one, he was too tight to spend that much money

May i remind you there are ages on each profile and have you heard of inflation.

Sorry, with huge grin

xx"

Hey you're only 12 month younger than me young man

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ooh we could sponsor one and pick colours appropriately!! mine bright pink and black!! x

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

I would like red and silver for mine

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By *etillanteWoman
over a year ago

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Can I be patriotic and have red, white and blue

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By *ushroom7 OP   Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"ooh we could sponsor one and pick colours appropriately!! mine bright pink and black!! x"

It's an excellent idea, to a point. Red ones like tulips, yellow for daffodils. Would have to be careful on sponsors logo's.

And no goths. There'd be too many crashes at night.

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By *uton_coupleCouple
over a year ago

luton

theres only one problem with green renewable energy , and those ugly windmills , and solar panels on roofs etc

we have those , AND there still pumping as much oil as they can

we are all told to turn our pc off at night , and dont leave the mobile on charge too long , and to drive 5 miles a week less

the problem is that for all these farthings worth of energy we save , countries like africa , china , india etc are using more and more energy by the day ( and good luck to them )

the only point i am making is that we can paint the ugly windmills pink with yellow spots , but we will still choke to death on CO2 fumes , or fry to death due to global warming

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

But they will look purty

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By *andcCouple
over a year ago

London and Cheshire


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the problem is that for all these farthings worth of energy we save , countries like africa , china , india etc are using more and more energy by the day ( and good luck to them )

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Yes they are using loads of energy to make things for us in the west, all we have done to reduce our carbon footprint is to make in in another country, so that we meet our CO2 targets!

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By *etillanteWoman
over a year ago

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Or put shoes on then we don't leave footprints

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By *ushroom7 OP   Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"theres only one problem with green renewable energy , and those ugly windmills , and solar panels on roofs etc

we have those , AND there still pumping as much oil as they can

we are all told to turn our pc off at night , and dont leave the mobile on charge too long , and to drive 5 miles a week less

the problem is that for all these farthings worth of energy we save , countries like africa , china , india etc are using more and more energy by the day ( and good luck to them )

the only point i am making is that we can paint the ugly windmills pink with yellow spots , but we will still choke to death on CO2 fumes , or fry to death due to global warming "

would it not be better to utilise all the hot air expended by some people, we could then put a stop to all windmills.

wouldn't you be more likely to choke on CO? Me, my garden and trees do very well on CO2 thank you kindly. You've expelled it all your life, why stop now?

And when you take you regular trips to Spain, do you get your feet wet when you're walking across the Channel?

Just a thought, number of british cars on the road approx 30million

Population of India approx 1.2 billion, China approx 1.45 billion. get ready to say goodbye to cheap fuel.

I'm gonna go on e-bay and start buying second hand chinese bicycles before the rush starts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im always in Shockunawe of turbines... close up - like a bunny in headlights.

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By *ushroom7 OP   Man
over a year ago

Bradford

And i will make no further comment other that you're more likely to be fried to death by bacon, eggs, sausages, black pudding and fried bread than ever you are by global warming. Swimming lessons may be more beneficial

you do like black pudding, don't you?

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

Eccy thump

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By *ushroom7 OP   Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"Can I be patriotic and have red, white and blue"

oooh la la mesdames, voulez vous votre soixante neuf a c'est moment, a la carte or cul de sac?

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By *etillanteWoman
over a year ago

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By *etillanteWoman
over a year ago

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"Can I be patriotic and have red, white and blue

oooh la la mesdames, voulez vous votre soixante neuf a c'est moment, a la carte or cul de sac?"

Monsieur, c'est blue, blanc et rouge, et je prefere pret a porter

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By *ushroom7 OP   Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"Can I be patriotic and have red, white and blue

oooh la la mesdames, voulez vous votre soixante neuf a c'est moment, a la carte or cul de sac?

Monsieur, c'est blue, blanc et rouge, est je prefere pret a porter"

i trust that Madam will find this a suitable hotel, we have a wide range of porters at your service.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lol the phrases 'green energy' and 'land wind turbines' don't really go together!

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By *etillanteWoman
over a year ago

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Gobsmacked lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Down near us there's a Holiday Village,it's a great little place full of small shacks and bungalows.

Nearly all of them have a windmill generator in the garden or on the side of the building.

Why not have them on all houses,even if it just powers the T.V,surely every little helps.

XXXX

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Farmers in Holland where wind farms are prevalent claim that thier soil is being ruined and eroded by the wind, in other areas of Holland farmers claim that the reduction of the wind, redirected by wind farms has changed the enviornment around thier crops so much that they are unable to produce as much as they used to

You can't please all of the people all of the time

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By *uton_coupleCouple
over a year ago

luton


"theres only one problem with green renewable energy , and those ugly windmills , and solar panels on roofs etc

we have those , AND there still pumping as much oil as they can

we are all told to turn our pc off at night , and dont leave the mobile on charge too long , and to drive 5 miles a week less

the problem is that for all these farthings worth of energy we save , countries like africa , china , india etc are using more and more energy by the day ( and good luck to them )

the only point i am making is that we can paint the ugly windmills pink with yellow spots , but we will still choke to death on CO2 fumes , or fry to death due to global warming

would it not be better to utilise all the hot air expended by some people, we could then put a stop to all windmills.

wouldn't you be more likely to choke on CO? Me, my garden and trees do very well on CO2 thank you kindly. You've expelled it all your life, why stop now?

And when you take you regular trips to Spain, do you get your feet wet when you're walking across the Channel?

Just a thought, number of british cars on the road approx 30million

Population of India approx 1.2 billion, China approx 1.45 billion. get ready to say goodbye to cheap fuel.

I'm gonna go on e-bay and start buying second hand chinese bicycles before the rush starts."

if i was like prince charles i would fly to spain in a private jet , so i could stretch my legs on the flight

you seem to like the exess CO2 in the atmosphere cos its good for your trees

so it seems we have something in common as i like CO2 aswell ,cos when the sea rises 8 feet my house in spain will be right near the beach

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon


"Eccy thump "

Steady, I've got a plaid cap (similar to a black belt in karate) in "Eccy thump".

I trained under those three noteable masters, Senseis Gardener, Brooke-Taylor and Oddie.

Started off as a nipper by learning "the way of the eccles cake", and moved on from there.

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By *etillanteWoman
over a year ago

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"Eccy thump

Steady, I've got a plaid cap (similar to a black belt in karate) in "Eccy thump".

I trained under those three noteable masters, Senseis Gardener, Brooke-Taylor and Oddie.

Started off as a nipper by learning "the way of the eccles cake", and moved on from there. "

So you must know Black Pudding Bertha?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The RAF gave my 16mos old son a windmill thingy at Hartlepool Tall Ships last weekend. He'd destroyed it by the end of the day.

Back to Design Dept for new green energy source methinks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Piss.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-11023725

In a future energy crisis just give out free beer to the unemployed and hey presto.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Meanwhile, bad news for the renewables sector in Scotland

"The deadline to table offers for the collapsed wave power company Pelamis has passed.

The firm went into administration last month after failing to secure enough funding to develop its technology.

Last week administrators at KPMG said they had been encouraged by the amount of initial interest shown in the Edinburgh-based company.

They said it could "take some time" after the deadline to select a preferred bidder.

Pelamis Wave Power employs more than 50 staff in the design, manufacture and operation of wave energy converters which it has been testing at the European Marine Energy Centre (EMEC) in Orkney.

Meanwhile, Aquamarine Power - also based in Edinburgh - is in the process of making most of its workforce redundant.

The company is the developer of the Oyster 800 wave energy device."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-30391102

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Meanwhile, bad news for the renewables sector in Scotland

"The deadline to table offers for the collapsed wave power company Pelamis has passed.

The firm went into administration last month after failing to secure enough funding to develop its technology.

Last week administrators at KPMG said they had been encouraged by the amount of initial interest shown in the Edinburgh-based company.

They said it could "take some time" after the deadline to select a preferred bidder.

Pelamis Wave Power employs more than 50 staff in the design, manufacture and operation of wave energy converters which it has been testing at the European Marine Energy Centre (EMEC) in Orkney.

Meanwhile, Aquamarine Power - also based in Edinburgh - is in the process of making most of its workforce redundant.

The company is the developer of the Oyster 800 wave energy device."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-30391102"

The sad thing is, wave power is the only renewable energy that works all the time. The cost is prohibitive at the moment, but hopefully someone will be able to design a cost efficient one before the countryside is full of useless wind turbines and fields of PV panels.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

A rock bottom oil price can only push the cost effectiveness of renewables further away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Saudis are deliberately pumping oil at full output despite a slow down on world consumption for a number of reasons.

1 they hate the Iranians and Iran's budget is 50% oil and was set on 100$barrels.

2 they and the west don't like the closer ties between Russia and China (now the world's biggest economy) and the exact same as above applies to Russia.

3 there trying to cripple fracking as it is reliant on 75$dollar barrels to break even.

Wave is certainly not the only renewable that works all the time, besides that there isn't one renewable that will take up the next generation, it's a whole combination of lots that will be used to fill in.

Also people who don't like turbines should look at the new ones that are being prototyped now as they've built them vertical so the rotors now swirl around the outside of the central pillar and the company are looking to replace them into conventional street lights as there already wired into the grid.

Very much less output individually but obviously alot more of them.

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By *ogistical NightmaresCouple
over a year ago

Manchester Area


"Meanwhile, bad news for the renewables sector in Scotland

"The deadline to table offers for the collapsed wave power company Pelamis has passed.

The firm went into administration last month after failing to secure enough funding to develop its technology.

Last week administrators at KPMG said they had been encouraged by the amount of initial interest shown in the Edinburgh-based company.

They said it could "take some time" after the deadline to select a preferred bidder.

Pelamis Wave Power employs more than 50 staff in the design, manufacture and operation of wave energy converters which it has been testing at the European Marine Energy Centre (EMEC) in Orkney.

Meanwhile, Aquamarine Power - also based in Edinburgh - is in the process of making most of its workforce redundant.

The company is the developer of the Oyster 800 wave energy device."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-30391102

The sad thing is, wave power is the only renewable energy that works all the time. The cost is prohibitive at the moment, but hopefully someone will be able to design a cost efficient one before the countryside is full of useless wind turbines and fields of PV panels. "

(M) worked with a company that was into generating electricity from wave power, proven technology that worked however the high start-up and prototype costs meant that outside investment was needed. When the investors didnt get the superfast return on their investment they pulled the plug, consequently another potentially winning project bit the dust. Wave power is definately the way ahead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wish they'd shut all those huge windmills off...

I mean - they're creating awful winds right now, and must be costing a fortune to run....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem with these types of energy is storing and transferring to areas that use most energy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem with these types of energy is storing and transferring to areas that use most energy"
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You can't really store energy at any large scale at the moment but people are trying to develop the technology.

As for transferring well that's a very good point and one which renewables with lots of point of entry would be better at than 6 or 7 huge generating stations miles from point of use.

Imagine every lamp post in Britain being converted to a small vertical turbine, every roof top with a small solar panel, every beach with a small wave generator, tidal rivers, geo thermal deep pipe recovery, cheap clean unlimited power for all including businesses (imagine those company's that would flock to a country offering power for tuppence) imagine how cheap wages could be lowered too if your energy bills were 150 quid a year!.. The possibilities are limited only by our will to do it.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Saltire Prize. A £10 MILLION international contest to build Scotland's first commercial wave or tidal energy system is dead in the water after industry insiders admitted none of the competitors is capable of winning it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a good idea for a thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem with these types of energy is storing and transferring to areas that use most energy.

You can't really store energy at any large scale at the moment but people are trying to develop the technology.

As for transferring well that's a very good point and one which renewables with lots of point of entry would be better at than 6 or 7 huge generating stations miles from point of use.

Imagine every lamp post in Britain being converted to a small vertical turbine, every roof top with a small solar panel, every beach with a small wave generator, tidal rivers, geo thermal deep pipe recovery, cheap clean unlimited power for all including businesses (imagine those company's that would flock to a country offering power for tuppence) imagine how cheap wages could be lowered too if your energy bills were 150 quid a year!.. The possibilities are limited only by our will to do it."

I have solar panels, my bills have still gone up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem with these types of energy is storing and transferring to areas that use most energy.

You can't really store energy at any large scale at the moment but people are trying to develop the technology.

As for transferring well that's a very good point and one which renewables with lots of point of entry would be better at than 6 or 7 huge generating stations miles from point of use.

Imagine every lamp post in Britain being converted to a small vertical turbine, every roof top with a small solar panel, every beach with a small wave generator, tidal rivers, geo thermal deep pipe recovery, cheap clean unlimited power for all including businesses (imagine those company's that would flock to a country offering power for tuppence) imagine how cheap wages could be lowered too if your energy bills were 150 quid a year!.. The possibilities are limited only by our will to do it.

I have solar panels, my bills have still gone up."
.But how much hot water are you getting for free though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Solar panels

The dirtiest green energy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why are we persisting with all these expensive and inefficient forms of "green" energy?

The only way forward is to build a few more nuclear power stations in place of the ones we're in the process of decommissioning.

As an island country we shouldn't be relying on imported electricity and or gas to keep the lights on.

We're a first world nation with first class engineers who are are extolling the virtues of nuclear power but instead we go ahead and build bloody windmills.

The Germans are going full steam ahead in building coal and gas power plants against the wishes of the E.U.

France continues with nuclear,yet here in Great Britain we're he'll bent on reverting to these eyesores that are blighting our once green and pleasant land.

Oh what folly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem with these types of energy is storing and transferring to areas that use most energy.

You can't really store energy at any large scale at the moment but people are trying to develop the technology.

As for transferring well that's a very good point and one which renewables with lots of point of entry would be better at than 6 or 7 huge generating stations miles from point of use.

Imagine every lamp post in Britain being converted to a small vertical turbine, every roof top with a small solar panel, every beach with a small wave generator, tidal rivers, geo thermal deep pipe recovery, cheap clean unlimited power for all including businesses (imagine those company's that would flock to a country offering power for tuppence) imagine how cheap wages could be lowered too if your energy bills were 150 quid a year!.. The possibilities are limited only by our will to do it.

I have solar panels, my bills have still gone up..But how much hot water are you getting for free though"

no idea. my bills should have gone down, not up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem with these types of energy is storing and transferring to areas that use most energy.

You can't really store energy at any large scale at the moment but people are trying to develop the technology.

As for transferring well that's a very good point and one which renewables with lots of point of entry would be better at than 6 or 7 huge generating stations miles from point of use.

Imagine every lamp post in Britain being converted to a small vertical turbine, every roof top with a small solar panel, every beach with a small wave generator, tidal rivers, geo thermal deep pipe recovery, cheap clean unlimited power for all including businesses (imagine those company's that would flock to a country offering power for tuppence) imagine how cheap wages could be lowered too if your energy bills were 150 quid a year!.. The possibilities are limited only by our will to do it.

I have solar panels, my bills have still gone up..But how much hot water are you getting for free though

no idea. my bills should have gone down, not up."
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You have no idea?.

Why did you buy them, how much hot water do you use, do you actually need them, are you sure your bills haven't gone up through other electrical/gas usage.

It's hard to know why your bills have gone up without knowing the details I'm afraid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why are we persisting with all these expensive and inefficient forms of "green" energy?

The only way forward is to build a few more nuclear power stations in place of the ones we're in the process of decommissioning.

As an island country we shouldn't be relying on imported electricity and or gas to keep the lights on.

We're a first world nation with first class engineers who are are extolling the virtues of nuclear power but instead we go ahead and build bloody windmills.

The Germans are going full steam ahead in building coal and gas power plants against the wishes of the E.U.

France continues with nuclear,yet here in Great Britain we're he'll bent on reverting to these eyesores that are blighting our once green and pleasant land.

Oh what folly.

"
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The Germans are trying to get off nuclear after they did a full evaluation of their nuclear plants after Fukushima and found they were open to the same problems as the Japanese, they are also don't huge amounts of green energy generation as well.

Nuclear isn't cheap and the most expensive cost were just about to pay out for... Decommissioning!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Saltire Prize. A £10 MILLION international contest to build Scotland's first commercial wave or tidal energy system is dead in the water after industry insiders admitted none of the competitors is capable of winning it."
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http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31682529

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


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So, planning department, just change the design slightly and paint the fookers pretty pastel colours.

"

Near us there were a couple of wind turbines turned down because they were in the Peak District National Park.

Now, that particular area of it has been extensively mined and quarried for thousands of years, and looks more like a (grassed over) bombsite. On further inspection there was even a derelict building there. Yep, an old Victorian windmill!

Had I been the consultant in charge I would have suggested rebuilding the original windmill, with the turbine inside,and sticking a lifesize fibreglass Windy Miller by the door!

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find the turbines graceful, they seem to have a relaxing effect on me, more than a string of pylons do anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why did you buy them, how much hot water do you use, do you actually need them, are you sure your bills haven't gone up through other electrical/gas usage.

It's hard to know why your bills have gone up without knowing the details I'm afraid."

I didn't buy the panels, my home was built to EU green standards. I also have a water meter so that bill went up as well, (i am on watersure so get a discount but it's still more than watere rates were coz the average bill round here is higher because of water meters).

My bills went up because suppliers put their charges up, so i'm not saving. Hardly had my heating on the past two years either, due to mild winters luckily, dunno how much my bills would be if i'd put it on as usual.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why did you buy them, how much hot water do you use, do you actually need them, are you sure your bills haven't gone up through other electrical/gas usage.

It's hard to know why your bills have gone up without knowing the details I'm afraid.

I didn't buy the panels, my home was built to EU green standards. I also have a water meter so that bill went up as well, (i am on watersure so get a discount but it's still more than watere rates were coz the average bill round here is higher because of water meters).

My bills went up because suppliers put their charges up, so i'm not saving. Hardly had my heating on the past two years either, due to mild winters luckily, dunno how much my bills would be if i'd put it on as usual.

"
.ahhh

Sorry we're getting confused, you've got pv panels, solar panels produce hot water, yours are producing electricity from what you've wrote.

Firstly most pv panels are not installed to produce electricity for the house there on, the electric is going straight back into the grid system so your bills for electric your using will rise just like everybody else's however you will also be getting a return on the electric there producing presuming they belong to you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Water rates are based on two people living in a house using water on the average rate.

Obviously if your using more water than the what water rates are average at you will pay more!.

Your basically paying for what you use.

You can negate against water costs with some extra plumbing for grey water, I've installed it in my own house and my water usage dropped by 60%.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why did you buy them, how much hot water do you use, do you actually need them, are you sure your bills haven't gone up through other electrical/gas usage.

It's hard to know why your bills have gone up without knowing the details I'm afraid.

I didn't buy the panels, my home was built to EU green standards. I also have a water meter so that bill went up as well, (i am on watersure so get a discount but it's still more than watere rates were coz the average bill round here is higher because of water meters).

My bills went up because suppliers put their charges up, so i'm not saving. Hardly had my heating on the past two years either, due to mild winters luckily, dunno how much my bills would be if i'd put it on as usual.

.ahhh

Sorry we're getting confused, you've got pv panels, solar panels produce hot water, yours are producing electricity from what you've wrote.

Firstly most pv panels are not installed to produce electricity for the house there on, the electric is going straight back into the grid system so your bills for electric your using will rise just like everybody else's however you will also be getting a return on the electric there producing presuming they belong to you!"

Well yeah, shouldn't they be paying me rent on these things then, seeing as they're on my house.

Thanks for clearing that up anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Water rates are based on two people living in a house using water on the average rate.

Obviously if your using more water than the what water rates are average at you will pay more!.

Your basically paying for what you use.

You can negate against water costs with some extra plumbing for grey water, I've installed it in my own house and my water usage dropped by 60%."

Someone incontinent is living at my house so can't scrimp on water.

I got my bill for that capped, now i only pay an average of the area and not £800 a year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Free renewable energy is a simple technology that we have had for years,unfortunately the fuel companies need their millions in the banks hence why we will never have it..been running my home heating on distilled sugar water (moonshine) for the past 10yrs..as for electric,i run my shed/workshop on a perpetual motion generator..local council informed me that if I connected it up to my house and bypassed the electricity they want to sell me I could face up to 15yrs in jail..no body in power has any plans for free energy ever..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why did you buy them, how much hot water do you use, do you actually need them, are you sure your bills haven't gone up through other electrical/gas usage.

It's hard to know why your bills have gone up without knowing the details I'm afraid.

I didn't buy the panels, my home was built to EU green standards. I also have a water meter so that bill went up as well, (i am on watersure so get a discount but it's still more than watere rates were coz the average bill round here is higher because of water meters).

My bills went up because suppliers put their charges up, so i'm not saving. Hardly had my heating on the past two years either, due to mild winters luckily, dunno how much my bills would be if i'd put it on as usual.

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Sorry we're getting confused, you've got pv panels, solar panels produce hot water, yours are producing electricity from what you've wrote.

Firstly most pv panels are not installed to produce electricity for the house there on, the electric is going straight back into the grid system so your bills for electric your using will rise just like everybody else's however you will also be getting a return on the electric there producing presuming they belong to you!

Well yeah, shouldn't they be paying me rent on these things then, seeing as they're on my house.

Thanks for clearing that up anyway."
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You'd think so wouldn't you.

Although I'm a fan of pv arrangements obviously, most local housing associations make a killing on them.

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By *alandriaTV/TS
over a year ago

Nottingham


"Why are we persisting with all these expensive and inefficient forms of "green" energy?

The only way forward is to build a few more nuclear power stations in place of the ones we're in the process of decommissioning.

As an island country we shouldn't be relying on imported electricity and or gas to keep the lights on.

We're a first world nation with first class engineers who are are extolling the virtues of nuclear power but instead we go ahead and build bloody windmills.

The Germans are going full steam ahead in building coal and gas power plants against the wishes of the E.U.

France continues with nuclear,yet here in Great Britain we're he'll bent on reverting to these eyesores that are blighting our once green and pleasant land.

Oh what folly.

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Spot on. They only build those ugly things because they get paid an obscene subsidy. Nukes are not cheap but they are also not dependent on Russian(gas) and Middle Eastern(oil) states who are not exactly our closest friends at the moment. Plus you can make plutonium in them-just in case..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Free renewable energy is a simple technology that we have had for years,unfortunately the fuel companies need their millions in the banks hence why we will never have it..been running my home heating on distilled sugar water (moonshine) for the past 10yrs..as for electric,i run my shed/workshop on a perpetual motion generator..local council informed me that if I connected it up to my house and bypassed the electricity they want to sell me I could face up to 15yrs in jail..no body in power has any plans for free energy ever.."
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There's a 20 million dollar prize for a working perpetual motion machine in the states.

It's been going for 30 years waiting to be collected.

Seen as it breaks the first or the second law of thermodynamics I guess we'll be waiting awhile

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why are we persisting with all these expensive and inefficient forms of "green" energy?

The only way forward is to build a few more nuclear power stations in place of the ones we're in the process of decommissioning.

As an island country we shouldn't be relying on imported electricity and or gas to keep the lights on.

We're a first world nation with first class engineers who are are extolling the virtues of nuclear power but instead we go ahead and build bloody windmills.

The Germans are going full steam ahead in building coal and gas power plants against the wishes of the E.U.

France continues with nuclear,yet here in Great Britain we're he'll bent on reverting to these eyesores that are blighting our once green and pleasant land.

Oh what folly.

Spot on. They only build those ugly things because they get paid an obscene subsidy. Nukes are not cheap but they are also not dependent on Russian(gas) and Middle Eastern(oil) states who are not exactly our closest friends at the moment. Plus you can make plutonium in them-just in case.. "
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Nuclear energy gets a bigger subsidy than any other generating system!. They don't cost alot they cost a fucking fortune

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By *alandriaTV/TS
over a year ago

Nottingham

Are you sure? Here's some government information:

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The Renewables Obligation provided about £1.4 billion support for renewables in 2010, at a cost of 3% on consumer bills, or about £20 per household, half of which is due to wind. DECC said it added £30 to an average household bill for 2013. By 2017 it is expected to be £50. A November 2011 estimate from DECC said every household in the UK had paid £320 on average so far to subsidise renewables, a total of £7 billion, bringing average household energy bills to £1300 pa. Ofgem estimates that in the course of achieving 30% of supply from renewables the amended Renewables Obligation for large-scale projects is predicted to cost consumers £6 billion per year by 2020, and the new feed-in tariff (FIT) for schemes up to 5 MWe will cost them £7.9 billion per year by 2030, on the basis of 5.2 pence/kWh for RO and 9.3 p/kWh for FIT*. Meanwhile it is seen by the Renewable Energy Foundation to be "both counterproductive and very poor value for money". The new government elected in 2010 is moving to replace the Renewables Obligation with a 'contract for difference' for new projects, effectively a long-term power price, which took shape in the draft energy bill released in May 2012.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are you sure? Here's some government information:

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The Renewables Obligation provided about £1.4 billion support for renewables in 2010, at a cost of 3% on consumer bills, or about £20 per household, half of which is due to wind. DECC said it added £30 to an average household bill for 2013. By 2017 it is expected to be £50. A November 2011 estimate from DECC said every household in the UK had paid £320 on average so far to subsidise renewables, a total of £7 billion, bringing average household energy bills to £1300 pa. Ofgem estimates that in the course of achieving 30% of supply from renewables the amended Renewables Obligation for large-scale projects is predicted to cost consumers £6 billion per year by 2020, and the new feed-in tariff (FIT) for schemes up to 5 MWe will cost them £7.9 billion per year by 2030, on the basis of 5.2 pence/kWh for RO and 9.3 p/kWh for FIT*. Meanwhile it is seen by the Renewable Energy Foundation to be "both counterproductive and very poor value for money". The new government elected in 2010 is moving to replace the Renewables Obligation with a 'contract for difference' for new projects, effectively a long-term power price, which took shape in the draft energy bill released in May 2012."
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So we've subsided all the renewables to the tune of 8 billion... That's fuck all hinkley point alone is going to cost 25 billion to build... And that's the cheap bit, wait till you have to decommission it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah don't worry about decommissioning that's your kids problem.. Here's some government information... They've talked bollocks about nuclear power for fucking years!.

Here's a statement from a nuclear MIT professor from 1985 working for a government programme.

"The most reliable estimate of the cost of decommissioning [a nuclear power plant] is 10-15 percent of the construction cost, contrary to some highly inflated estimates ... Modern serious studies of the disposal problem indicate that satisfactory isolation is technologically feasible, even for the long term.....

Here's the reality of what it actually cost.

The Yankee Nuclear Power Station in Rowe, Massachusetts, took 15 years to decommission—or five times longer than was needed to build it. And decommissioning the plant—constructed early in the 1960s for $39 million—cost $608 million. The plant’s spent fuel rods are still stored in a facility on-site, because there is no permanent disposal repository to put them in. To monitor them and make sure the material does not fall into the hands of terrorists or spill into the nearby river costs $8 million per year. That cost will continue for an unknown number of years..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Free renewable energy is a simple technology that we have had for years,unfortunately the fuel companies need their millions in the banks hence why we will never have it..been running my home heating on distilled sugar water (moonshine) for the past 10yrs..as for electric,i run my shed/workshop on a perpetual motion generator..local council informed me that if I connected it up to my house and bypassed the electricity they want to sell me I could face up to 15yrs in jail..no body in power has any plans for free energy ever...

There's a 20 million dollar prize for a working perpetual motion machine in the states.

It's been going for 30 years waiting to be collected.

Seen as it breaks the first or the second law of thermodynamics I guess we'll be waiting awhile"
people have been using them for years,in Britain they won't allow you to submit a patent on one and in america the home of the oil conglomerates they find constant problems to write off the idea while I sit here with a magnetic wheel rotating my generator which slowly fills a bank of batteries. These ideas though ate simplistic and don't make them money so will never be accepted..

The real breakthrough I believe lies in the Bloom Box Server if he can get to the masses before he accidentally shoots himself twice in the head,or slits his own wrists before hanging himself or accidentally loses control of his parked car and crashes into a wall in a ball of flames..

Cynical,moi,never

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The last paragraph made me chuckle... The jury's out on bloom box, all these high tech ideas that attract massive investment in silicone valley certainly do get the masses taking.

Unfortunately they have also a high turnover of failures.

I'm really hoping he has something though myself, seems like a decent principle of reverse engineering!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hello all,

we have spent in the U.K., as have other countries, a fortune on renewable energy projects that were not needed.

The money would have been far better spent in improving the insulation qualities of our buildings.

The reason for all this is the hype about CO2, which is not a pollutant nor, as more and more information and data comes to light, has it a significant affect on our climate. All this effort has been unnecessary.

Alec

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hello all,

we have spent in the U.K., as have other countries, a fortune on renewable energy projects that were not needed.

The money would have been far better spent in improving the insulation qualities of our buildings.

The reason for all this is the hype about CO2, which is not a pollutant nor, as more and more information and data comes to light, has it a significant affect on our climate. All this effort has been unnecessary.

Alec"
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Can you prove anything you say or is it all personal opinion.

If it's an opinion that's fine, your entitled to believe what you like regardless of facts.

In case you've not noticed... Part of the subsidy quoted in the post earlier shows that we've been insulating through grants for 10 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On the note of Renewable energies, would anyone like some Solar Panels or a Biomass Boiler for FREE? If you think you might be interested let me know and I can sort you out. Drop me a message

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What's the catch

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Straight from wiki

first law of thermodynamics: When energy passes, as work, as heat, or with matter, into or out from a system, its internal energy changes in accord with the law of conservation of energy. Equivalently, perpetual motion machines of the first kind are impossible.

Second law of thermodynamics: In a natural thermodynamic process, the sum of the entropies of the participating thermodynamic systems increases. Equivalently, perpetual motion machines of the second kind are impossible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hello Sexybum,

it is not from personal research (I.e. I'm not a scientist but then neither is Dr. Pachauri) but from many articles of just how results have not followed the computer models and so the predictions are not being verified.

Too many other factors to go into here but I am getting more convinced that we have taken entirely the wrong actions and it's costing us dearly.

I know of the grants for insulation but I meant free. Take up of the grants has been very poor as I understand, but energy conservation is a very sensible course to take.

Alec

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hello Alec

I don't know if you've read the thousands of articles on climate change but the basic science is very easy.

Most principles of physics are beyond question because both cause and effect are well understood. A relationship between cause and effect is proved by repeatable experiments. This is the essence of the scientific method, and the source of knowledge on which we have built our technological civilization. We do not question Newton’s laws of motion because we can demonstrate them in the laboratory. We no longer question that light and infrared radiation are electromagnetic waves because we can measure their wavelengths and other properties in the laboratory. Likewise, there should be no dissent that CO2 absorbs infrared radiation, because that too has been demonstrated in the laboratory. In fact, it was first measured 150 years ago by John Tyndall using a spectrophotometer. In line with the scientific method, his results have been confirmed and more precisely quantified by Herzberg in 1953, Burch in 1962 and 1970, and others since then.

Given that the radiative properties of CO2 have been proven in the laboratory, you would expect them to be same in the atmosphere, given that they are dependent on CO2’s unchanging molecular structure. You would think that the onus would be on the climate skeptics to demonstrate that CO2 behaves differently in the atmosphere than it does in the laboratory. Of course they have not done so. In fact, since 1970 satellites have measured infrared spectra emitted by the Earth and confirmed not only that CO2 traps heat, but that it has trapped more heat as concentrations of c02 have risen. After 150 years of scientific investigation, the impact of CO2 on the climate is well understood. Anyone who tells you different is selling snakeoil.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The biggest objection to wind farms seems to be the detrimental effect they have on the overblown property values of 'country folk'. "oh look, those nasty townies need power so they have put up some windmills. Surely a nice clean nuclear plant in every city would be better. By the way, are the dishwasher, heater, lights, TV and that all working as required?"

We all use too much energy (me included)and need to generate more. Oil and gas will not last forever and as supplies dwindle while demand increases, we will all suffer.

There are problems with renewables now, but they will be nothing compared with the problems that will arise in the future if we do not develop them now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thanks I was beginning to worry that everybody was a sceptic, actually I know there not sceptics there just afraid of change but people really do need to make an effort to understand the problems the world faces today.

Many people don't even understand the basic problems with consumption and growth, they have this novel concept that economies can just grow forever with no concept of the problems growth causes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31682529

"The £90 figure compares favourably with the £92.50 price for power from the planned Hinkley nuclear station, especially as the lagoon is designed to last 120 years - at a much lower risk than nuclear."

I seem to remember reading last week that Denmark is meeting nearly half it's electricity requirements via wind, at a cost of 15cents per kWh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most people ziggy don't have a clue that hinkley is being subsided built the exact same way the wind turbines were only at more cost, it's being financed by the Chinese and built by the French.... But I'll bet you my life savings the British will pay for the decommissioning!.

And if there so fucking safe how come you can't insure one... No they have to be underwritten by the friggin public.

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