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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no, god is like santa made up for kids

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?"

It has to make you wonder! But brutality has existed as long as religion so why would it make a difference now.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?

It has to make you wonder! But brutality has existed as long as religion so why would it make a difference now.

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Is religion a bi product of humankinds lust for violence and segregation?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

If you had to invite one of the Gods to lunch who would be the most fun?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably not, and if one does exist then it'll be nothing like we imagine.

Religion doesn't cause wars and suffering, people do. Religion is just a handy excuse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Errrr who

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What do you mean by God?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What do you mean by God?"
A deity that is worshipped and is omnipresent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Probably not, and if one does exist then it'll be nothing like we imagine.

Religion doesn't cause wars and suffering, people do. Religion is just a handy excuse "

Religion causes wars. Often there is no economic or other reason for the war.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Probably not, and if one does exist then it'll be nothing like we imagine.

Religion doesn't cause wars and suffering, people do. Religion is just a handy excuse "

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

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"If you had to invite one of the Gods to lunch who would be the most fun?"

Mine because she is a my "self" and comes from within me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Religion (not the belief in, but the concept of) is the preserve of those who need something to legitimise their thirst for power and control. That is why most religions somewhere frown on learning as it is easier to hoodwink the ill educated. Dictators use the same rationale, Pol Pot in Cambodia a prime example, burning books, destroying schools etc.

I also find the concept of an all seeing and hearing being difficult to grasp or understand, but some people need something to believe in. Personally I don't but people's beliefs are a personal matter for them.

Beware lightening strike approaching!

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By *ikki ShooterTV/TS
over a year ago

Epsom

"If you had to invite one of the Gods to lunch who would be the most fun?"

Bachus the roman god of wine

Or Aphrodite Greek goddess of love (because she's hot)xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?

It has to make you wonder! But brutality has existed as long as religion so why would it make a difference now.

Is religion a bi product of humankinds lust for violence and segregation?"

I wouldn't say so more a means of intelligent yet not physically intimidating means way of manipulating the masses in some instances though by far not all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you mean by God?A deity that is worshipped and is omnipresent. "

Deity is just another word for God, but yeah people worship them. So those two factors aren't debatable. The people who believe in deities often do think of them as omnipresent, it hasn't been proved either way whether something could exist everywhere at the same time, but we are advancing in understanding quantum entanglement. Philospohically you can't prove that everything, the way your body interprets it is real, so it is possible that any God could exist.

Personally don't believe it myself, and am ignostic, i like to discuss and think about things but also need to know what peoples' definition of 'God@ is.

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By *onitoMan
over a year ago

Milton of Campsie

"If you had to invite one of the Gods to lunch who would be the most fun?"

George Burns

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Religion (not the belief in, but the concept of) is the preserve of those who need something to legitimise their thirst for power and control. That is why most religions somewhere frown on learning as it is easier to hoodwink the ill educated. Dictators use the same rationale, Pol Pot in Cambodia a prime example, burning books, destroying schools etc.

Beware lightening strike approaching!

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Interesting correlation between the thoughts of chairman Mao and the Catholics catechism both asked questions but unsurprisingly gave the required answer to and both are little red books!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was all made up to control the masses and has been kept going by money power and greed.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What do you mean by God?A deity that is worshipped and is omnipresent.

Personally don't believe it myself, and am ignostic, i like to discuss and think about things but also need to know what peoples' definition of 'God@ is. "
Is that not theological debate that rages each religion defines its own deity?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you had to invite one of the Gods to lunch who would be the most fun?"

the goddess Kali would be good in a gangbang

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Probably not, and if one does exist then it'll be nothing like we imagine.

Religion doesn't cause wars and suffering, people do. Religion is just a handy excuse

Religion causes wars. Often there is no economic or other reason for the war. "

Religion is entirely a human construct, it has no more power to start a war than does singing comedy or art.

It's a mechanism for control, a means for the few to manipulate the many.

That is why there are wars, you have something I want so I'm going to take it from you using my merry band of religious followers.

This aside there is a real human need to answer unanswerable questions, and also because there is nothing more terrifying than suffering and being alone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just think religion was created by a dyslexic guy who went about saying he worshipped his God when in fact it was actually his Dog.. But hey ho we all make mistakes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you mean by God?A deity that is worshipped and is omnipresent.

Personally don't believe it myself, and am ignostic, i like to discuss and think about things but also need to know what peoples' definition of 'God@ is.

Is that not theological debate that rages each religion defines its own deity?"

But they can do that if they want to.

God doesn't exist to me so i have to ask people what they mean by God, as i don't have an opinion on what it is but am open minded enough to consider other peoples opinions of them.

Was just debating your God.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

vV Irenic Vv

I would worship

at your altar

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What do you mean by God?A deity that is worshipped and is omnipresent.

Personally don't believe it myself, and am ignostic, i like to discuss and think about things but also need to know what peoples' definition of 'God@ is.

Is that not theological debate that rages each religion defines its own deity?

But they can do that if they want to.

God doesn't exist to me so i have to ask people what they mean by God, as i don't have an opinion on what it is but am open minded enough to consider other peoples opinions of them.

Was just debating your God."
Well I was brought up a catholic so my formative years told me God was a man with a white beard and he had a son but lurking in the back ground was God the holy ghost. God sent his son to earth to die and pay for our sins. Latterly god the holy ghost came to earth to take the son back to heaven after he rose from the dead. But then again I could be getting mixed up with a Harry Potter novel?

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady

"If you had to invite one of the Gods to lunch who would be the most fun?"

I'd go for Odin. Feasting and quaffing ale sounds more fun than Bhudist vegetarianism!

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By *ultry SuccubusTV/TS
over a year ago

London

"Probably not, and if one does exist then it'll be nothing like we imagine.

Religion doesn't cause wars and suffering, people do. Religion is just a handy excuse "

Wise and mature.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Probably not, and if one does exist then it'll be nothing like we imagine.

Religion doesn't cause wars and suffering, people do. Religion is just a handy excuse

Religion causes wars. Often there is no economic or other reason for the war. "

Could you give an example of a war where there was no other reason other then religion?

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By *ultry SuccubusTV/TS
over a year ago

London

"If you had to invite one of the Gods to lunch who would be the most fun?

I'd go for Odin. Feasting and quaffing ale sounds more fun than Bhudist vegetarianism!"

I invite Thor..

and pray he show me the thunder...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Crusades

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady

"Probably not, and if one does exist then it'll be nothing like we imagine.

Religion doesn't cause wars and suffering, people do. Religion is just a handy excuse

Religion causes wars. Often there is no economic or other reason for the war.

Could you give an example of a war where there was no other reason other then religion? "

The crusades?

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.

As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter;

for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.

Keep interested in your career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery.

But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals;

and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.

Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be critical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.

Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings.

Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;

you have a right to be here.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be,

and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally don't believe it myself, and am ignostic, i like to discuss and think about things but also need to know what peoples' definition of 'God@ is.

Is that not theological debate that rages each religion defines its own deity?

But they can do that if they want to.

God doesn't exist to me so i have to ask people what they mean by God, as i don't have an opinion on what it is but am open minded enough to consider other peoples opinions of them.

Was just debating your God.

Well I was brought up a catholic so my formative years told me God was a man with a white beard and he had a son but lurking in the back ground was God the holy ghost. God sent his son to earth to die and pay for our sins. Latterly god the holy ghost came to earth to take the son back to heaven after he rose from the dead. But then again I could be getting mixed up with a Harry Potter novel?"

Ok, so you don't have an idea God but went with someone elses idea of one? That's cool, most people do this. Same for scientific ideas, most people also follow the ones that make sense to them. But now you're questioning it?

I think you can either dismiss any idea of any God, or create your own personal meaning of what God is (by bible study and debating like you are doing here).

It's hard to know for certain how everything came here, whether it really exists or not (and if it exists as we percieve it, because we only have a limited amount of senses and can't pick up everything we do know exists, think dog whistles or radiation even). Really hard to tell. I don't dwell on it much, it isn't important to me that i behave how a book says i should behave for some kind of afterlife reward that sounds like torture to me, so i made me own mind up not to follow any, to enjoy films based on them and enjoy the fantasy and art involved in that. And just love the human imagination for weverything it has created, and if some of those things bring about comfort for some people then let them enjoy that.

how do you feel about the possibility? Does it matter or not, to you? Am guessing it does a little.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"vV Irenic Vv

I would worship

at your altar "

Sacrifice?

nom nom

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Probably not, and if one does exist then it'll be nothing like we imagine.

Religion doesn't cause wars and suffering, people do. Religion is just a handy excuse

Religion causes wars. Often there is no economic or other reason for the war.

Religion is entirely a human construct, it has no more power to start a war than does singing comedy or art.

It's a mechanism for control, a means for the few to manipulate the many.

That is why there are wars, you have something I want so I'm going to take it from you using my merry band of religious followers.

This aside there is a real human need to answer unanswerable questions, and also because there is nothing more terrifying than suffering and being alone. "

Although I personally choose to believe in God so don't go along with the 'entirely human construct' bit, I like your clear, non belittling, reasoned analysis.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"vV Irenic Vv

I would worship

at your altar

Sacrifice?

nom nom"

I'm not a virgin !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"vV Irenic Vv

I would worship

at your altar

Sacrifice?

nom nom

I'm not a virgin ! "

Haha, not interested then, sorry...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Personally don't believe it myself, and am ignostic, i like to discuss and think about things but also need to know what peoples' definition of 'God@ is.

Is that not theological debate that rages each religion defines its own deity?

But they can do that if they want to.

God doesn't exist to me so i have to ask people what they mean by God, as i don't have an opinion on what it is but am open minded enough to consider other peoples opinions of them.

Was just debating your God.

I think you can either dismiss any idea of any God, or create your own personal meaning of what God is (by bible study and debating like you are doing here).

how do you feel about the possibility? Does it matter or not, to you? Am guessing it does a little."
I have no God no deity to worship (save for Eric Cantona) I subscribe to the mogodon for the masses argument as to have an unproven belief always leaves the do open to actually believing. In the beginning man created god and has happily let the gig roll for the sake of control and order?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Probably not, and if one does exist then it'll be nothing like we imagine.

Religion doesn't cause wars and suffering, people do. Religion is just a handy excuse

Religion causes wars. Often there is no economic or other reason for the war.

Could you give an example of a war where there was no other reason other then religion?

The crusades?"

Well not really when you look into it. It was far more about the re conquest of the lost East Roman Empire than religion. Also the Crusaders were not that kind to the Easter Christian communities that lived in the Muslim lands. Finally, the main thing that the Crusades actually achieved was the sacking of Constantinople, the capital of the Byzantine(Christian) Empire.

That's not to say that religion was not used to inspire the crusaders but it was economics, politics and land, just like all wars, that it was really all about.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.

As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter;

for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.

Keep interested in your career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery.

But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals;

and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.

Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be critical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.

Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings.

Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;

you have a right to be here.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be,

and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy.

I really, really, really like this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no God no deity to worship (save for Eric Cantona) I subscribe to the mogodon for the masses argument as to have an unproven belief always leaves the do open to actually believing. In the beginning man created god and has happily let the gig roll for the sake of control and order?"

That's possible, i wasn't there at the time though so can't say for sure.

I have noticed that mind control seems to be a huge priority in politics, that lies are made and figures bandied and twisted to give a different representation of them and the people they represent. That some humans are willing to be open minded, or closed, or something inbetween and open to changing their opinions at any time to. That the majority of people live their lives based in fear, and having someone to guide them helps with that in some way. That rewarding 'good behaviour' works well. That people want to think of themselves as nice, who subscribe to other peoples ideals of what that is. That people are easily controllable down to these things, and more.

It's very possible that someone human (or alien i guess) had an agenda and wanted us all to accept it without question. So they started making up stories, based on what humans fear, and it worked.

Propaganda is very interesting indeed, subtle but interesting to learn about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As the old saying goes - there are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

That's possible, i wasn't there at the time though so can't say for sure.

It's very possible that someone human (or alien i guess) had an agenda and wanted us all to accept it without question. So they started making up stories, based on what humans fear, and it worked.

Propaganda is very interesting indeed, subtle but interesting to learn about."
There is a good theory that as homosapiens started to embrace civilisation that is they started to form a very basic society living that God was introduced to focus those left over Neanderthal instincts on something other than eating and breeding. So a deity was created and since then there has bee lots of variations on a theme. Christianity is a fairly recent concept in theological calendar terms.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

And one other point with the big religions and that is they all have a theme to keep the watchers attention! Very clever and subtle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who is this god person anyway?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Right I must go to my place of worship which is Cupids for an afternoon of debauchery and feasting at the table of the Y!!!

You all be careful out there !

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By *ipswingCouple
over a year ago

portrush

i have heard.. God ......is a concept ,by which we measure our pain.. is the opiate of the people .. is in the heavens.. i have also heard.. within you , without you ... is the place to look... and then there is the Mother, sometimes called mother earth .... ahhh what a union...

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

To my knowledge none of the world's human invented god concepts has a shred of tangible validation , and thus to take a stance of belief would for my mind , be an irrational position to hold

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is a good theory that as homosapiens started to embrace civilisation that is they started to form a very basic society living that God was introduced to focus those left over Neanderthal instincts on something other than eating and breeding. So a deity was created and since then there has bee lots of variations on a theme. Christianity is a fairly recent concept in theological calendar terms."

I haven't studied theology, not much anyway. Have studied people, and psychology was easy to suss based on that.

Interesting theory though. I don't think 'cavemen' (neanderthals) were ever that stupid, and we never acted like apes lol, only my personal opinion based on how intelligent we are now, neurology, and evolution of our ancestors.

We just have a good imagination, and the language to spread our ideas. Look how fast we have evolved/advanvced since it is easier to share our ideas and discuss them?

Animals are highly intelligent overall, they have the ability to survive and that's what they do. Just most of them haven't been able to create technology on the scale we humans have done. Not sure that was a good thing or not though, the way it's panned out overall.

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By *he ProletariatMan
over a year ago

axminster

God is a concept by which we measure our pain....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've always considered a 'god' to be who/what you turn to for comfort. My god is a battered left handed stratocaster - never fails to get me through bad times. Organised religion is a nonsense in my humble opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?"

Nope its a fairy tale

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"Probably not, and if one does exist then it'll be nothing like we imagine.

Religion doesn't cause wars and suffering, people do. Religion is just a handy excuse

Religion causes wars. Often there is no economic or other reason for the war.

Could you give an example of a war where there was no other reason other then religion? "

Crusades

100 years war

Conflict in Northern Ireland

Afghanistan

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Probably not, and if one does exist then it'll be nothing like we imagine.

Religion doesn't cause wars and suffering, people do. Religion is just a handy excuse

Religion causes wars. Often there is no economic or other reason for the war.

Could you give an example of a war where there was no other reason other then religion?

Crusades

100 years war

Conflict in Northern Ireland

Afghanistan"

I've already answered the Crusade one further up the thread.

Which 100 years war are you referring to. it it's the one between England and France that had nothing at all to do with religion at all. At the time both countries were Catholic.

The conflict in N.Ireland had little to do with religion either. it just happens that most Unionists were Protestant and most Republicans were Catholic. The guy who started the whole republican movement was in fact protestant and I know personally many Catholics who have always supported the Union.

It's difficult to judge Afghanistan as not enough history has passed but the current conflict is a direct result of USSR invasion in 1979 which was an attempt by the USSR to gain better access to the sea.

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By *heOwlMan
over a year ago

Altrincham

"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?"

GOD(s), whatever the faith or belief system, has never had anything to do with humans capacity for excessive greed, selfishness and lack of compasion (be that towards members of the same species or others).

Appaerntly all creatures were given the gift of choice, humans have shown themselves to be exceptional at abusing this choice.

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

I am no longer open to the idea of large people sitting on clouds and watching us. I think there is a god of sorts, only really worshipped by a select few, it goes by many signs and many names......$ € £ ¥.....money, cash, moolah, spondoolies, dough, filthy lucra, snots, bunce and many more and in many different languages.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Probably not, and if one does exist then it'll be nothing like we imagine.

Religion doesn't cause wars and suffering, people do. Religion is just a handy excuse

Religion causes wars. Often there is no economic or other reason for the war.

Could you give an example of a war where there was no other reason other then religion? "

There are always other reasons if you look but currently ISIL purports to be in the interests of creating a caliphate or a Muslim religious empire. Needless to say Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and his henchmen are also actively engaged in the pursuit of power for themselves whilst their foot soldiers die.

Let us be honest. Religions are all man made social control mechanisms. The primary beneficiaries are the men who run them. God or Gods will exist, or not, whether or not any religion recognises and supports them.

I just feel sorry for all those young folk who throw their lives away on the promise of an unprovable eternity of life in some heaven.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?"

The three main monotheistic religions all share the same god. They simply have different names.

Personally, I believe absolutely that there is no god, and there is no such thing as divine intervention.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?

The three main monotheistic religions all share the same god. They simply have different names.

Personally, I believe absolutely that there is no god, and there is no such thing as divine intervention. "

Why talk about devine intervention when a bit of interconnection with you would be truly devine to me.

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"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?

The three main monotheistic religions all share the same god. They simply have different names.

Personally, I believe absolutely that there is no god, and there is no such thing as divine intervention. "

You mean the three Abrahamic religions. There are many more than just three monotheistic religions!

I don't really have 'beliefs', but if I'm anything I'm a deist, in that what I consider to be 'God' does not care about the miniscule happenings of infintisimally small organisms on an obscure and tiny ball of rock in what is just another galaxy.

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"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?

The three main monotheistic religions all share the same god. They simply have different names.

Personally, I believe absolutely that there is no god, and there is no such thing as divine intervention.

You mean the three Abrahamic religions. There are many more than just three monotheistic religions!

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So God only cares about the big gigs like the Manchester Derby and Take That's forthcoming tour?

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"If you had to invite one of the Gods to lunch who would be the most fun?

Bachus the roman god of wine

Or Aphrodite Greek goddess of love (because she's hot)xx"

Or?? Lets have both and have a roman orgy!!

We can bring Venus in too - but may have to debate as to whether Cupid's allowed in!!

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"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?"

Ok then...question for the OP here...what about the religions that say there is no God or Gods:

*Jainism

*Some strains of hinduism

Or those religions that deem the question of whether there is a God or not to be completely irrelevant:

*Buddhism

Or those religions where belief is not really important; following the (religious) law is:

*Judaism

*Islam

-seems to me the original question is very christian-centric and european-centric. Not all religions are the same and not all of them have an omnipresent, omniscient God.

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"If you had to invite one of the Gods to lunch who would be the most fun?

Bachus the roman god of wine

Or Aphrodite Greek goddess of love (because she's hot)xx

Or?? Lets have both and have a roman orgy!!

We can bring Venus in too - but may have to debate as to whether Cupid's allowed in!!

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That would be a Greek Roman orgy.......a bit like dogging at Pennington Flash on a summers night?

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"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?

The three main monotheistic religions all share the same god. They simply have different names.

Personally, I believe absolutely that there is no god, and there is no such thing as divine intervention.

You mean the three Abrahamic religions. There are many more than just three monotheistic religions!

So God only cares about the big gigs like the Manchester Derby and Take That's forthcoming tour?"

I look at it like this: do you care about the fate of the little white blood cells in your body?

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"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?

Ok then...question for the OP here...what about the religions that say there is no God or Gods:

*Jainism

*Some strains of hinduism

Or those religions that deem the question of whether there is a God or not to be completely irrelevant:

*Buddhism

Or those religions where belief is not really important; following the (religious) law is:

*Judaism

*Islam

-seems to me the original question is very christian-centric and european-centric. Not all religions are the same and not all of them have an omnipresent, omniscient God."
The original question was not about religion it was about God?

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"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?

The three main monotheistic religions all share the same god. They simply have different names.

Personally, I believe absolutely that there is no god, and there is no such thing as divine intervention.

You mean the three Abrahamic religions. There are many more than just three monotheistic religions!

So God only cares about the big gigs like the Manchester Derby and Take That's forthcoming tour?

I look at it like this: do you care about the fate of the little white blood cells in your body?"
To right I do..................if they are impaired or not insufficient quantity I am a gonna. In the words of a well known brand every little counts or words to that effect.

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"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?

Ok then...question for the OP here...what about the religions that say there is no God or Gods:

*Jainism

*Some strains of hinduism

Or those religions that deem the question of whether there is a God or not to be completely irrelevant:

*Buddhism

Or those religions where belief is not really important; following the (religious) law is:

*Judaism

*Islam

-seems to me the original question is very christian-centric and european-centric. Not all religions are the same and not all of them have an omnipresent, omniscient God. The original question was not about religion it was about God?"

Yes I know; but the old adage 'there's so much suffering in the world, how can there be a God' seems to make a lot of (christiancentric) assumptions about the nature of a God.

On a personal level, suffering (yes, even parasites, mass murder and babies born with brain tumours) makes me suspect that there is a God. Just not one that is anything like the judeo-christian one.

And yes, I realise religion and God are separate questions.

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"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?

The three main monotheistic religions all share the same god. They simply have different names.

Personally, I believe absolutely that there is no god, and there is no such thing as divine intervention.

You mean the three Abrahamic religions. There are many more than just three monotheistic religions!

So God only cares about the big gigs like the Manchester Derby and Take That's forthcoming tour?

I look at it like this: do you care about the fate of the little white blood cells in your body?To right I do..................if they are impaired or not insufficient quantity I am a gonna. In the words of a well known brand every little counts or words to that effect."

Exactly. So if you have a major catastrophe happen to your body, say you lose an arm, you are damn well gonna be concerned about what happens inside your body.

But you're not bothered about the day-to-day goings on with each cell.

That is what I think 'God' may be like. So you can call me a 'pandeist'.

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over a year ago

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Clearly the notion that there is an omnipresent omnipotent ubiquitous pan dimensional hyper being who cares about every living thing, is a complete nonsense, or else he's a sick bastard with a really warped sense of humour.

I think the intelligent design philosophy has more merit, but in the absence of any empirical evidence, is nothing more than another belief system.

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"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?

Ok then...question for the OP here...what about the religions that say there is no God or Gods:

*Jainism

*Some strains of hinduism

Or those religions that deem the question of whether there is a God or not to be completely irrelevant:

*Buddhism

Or those religions where belief is not really important; following the (religious) law is:

*Judaism

*Islam

Yes I know; but the old adage 'there's so much suffering in the world, how can there be a God' seems to make a lot of (christiancentric) assumptions about the nature of a God.

On a personal level, suffering (yes, even parasites, mass murder and babies born with brain tumours) makes me suspect that there is a God. Just not one that is anything like the judeo-christian one.

And yes, I realise religion and God are separate questions."
So you suspect? I suspect that one day there will be a black lesbian pope but then again I could be an old cynic!!

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"What do you mean by God?A deity that is worshipped and is omnipresent. "

^This^

Not all religions or religious viewpoints hold God to be omnipresent or deem it neccesary for him to be worshipped.

Buddhism and deism for example.

That's what I mean about the OP making judeo-christian assumptions.

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"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?

The three main monotheistic religions all share the same god. They simply have different names.

Personally, I believe absolutely that there is no god, and there is no such thing as divine intervention.

You mean the three Abrahamic religions. There are many more than just three monotheistic religions!

So God only cares about the big gigs like the Manchester Derby and Take That's forthcoming tour?

Exactly. So if you have a major catastrophe happen to your body, say you lose an arm, you are damn well gonna be concerned about what happens inside your body.

But you're not bothered about the day-to-day goings on with each cell.

That is what I think 'God' may be like. So you can call me a 'pandeist'."
a pandeist is someone who shops at a convenience stores as its handy, open longer and stocks unknown products!

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"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?

Ok then...question for the OP here...what about the religions that say there is no God or Gods:

*Jainism

*Some strains of hinduism

Or those religions that deem the question of whether there is a God or not to be completely irrelevant:

*Buddhism

Or those religions where belief is not really important; following the (religious) law is:

*Judaism

*Islam

Yes I know; but the old adage 'there's so much suffering in the world, how can there be a God' seems to make a lot of (christiancentric) assumptions about the nature of a God.

On a personal level, suffering (yes, even parasites, mass murder and babies born with brain tumours) makes me suspect that there is a God. Just not one that is anything like the judeo-christian one.

And yes, I realise religion and God are separate questions.So you suspect? I suspect that one day there will be a black lesbian pope but then again I could be an old cynic!!"

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"What do you mean by God?A deity that is worshipped and is omnipresent.

^This^

Not all religions or religious viewpoints hold God to be omnipresent or deem it neccesary for him to be worshipped.

Buddhism and deism for example.

That's what I mean about the OP making judeo-christian assumptions."
I thought we agreed we had parked the religion gig and were concentrating on God. And yes it was aimed at the Christian section as its Christmas!

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"If you had to invite one of the Gods to lunch who would be the most fun?

Bachus the roman god of wine

Or Aphrodite Greek goddess of love (because she's hot)xx

Or?? Lets have both and have a roman orgy!!

We can bring Venus in too - but may have to debate as to whether Cupid's allowed in!!

That would be a Greek Roman orgy.......a bit like dogging at Pennington Flash on a summers night?"

You've lost me there! Understand the greek/roman comment - but never been dogging (I like beds) and don't know what/where pennington flash is!

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"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?

Ok then...question for the OP here...what about the religions that say there is no God or Gods:

*Jainism

*Some strains of hinduism

Or those religions that deem the question of whether there is a God or not to be completely irrelevant:

*Buddhism

Or those religions where belief is not really important; following the (religious) law is:

*Judaism

*Islam

Yes I know; but the old adage 'there's so much suffering in the world, how can there be a God' seems to make a lot of (christiancentric) assumptions about the nature of a God.

On a personal level, suffering (yes, even parasites, mass murder and babies born with brain tumours) makes me suspect that there is a God. Just not one that is anything like the judeo-christian one.

And yes, I realise religion and God are separate questions.So you suspect? I suspect that one day there will be a black lesbian pope but then again I could be an old cynic!!

Suspect; yes. I don't see how the existence of suffering makes the existence of a God any less likely. It just means the christian conception of an all-loving God is unlikely. It doesn't prove at all that there is no God at all."
Quite interesting you (and others) refer to "him" shows that the indoctrination and manufactured physco babble is working!

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"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?

Ok then...question for the OP here...what about the religions that say there is no God or Gods:

*Jainism

*Some strains of hinduism

Or those religions that deem the question of whether there is a God or not to be completely irrelevant:

*Buddhism

Or those religions where belief is not really important; following the (religious) law is:

*Judaism

*Islam

Yes I know; but the old adage 'there's so much suffering in the world, how can there be a God' seems to make a lot of (christiancentric) assumptions about the nature of a God.

On a personal level, suffering (yes, even parasites, mass murder and babies born with brain tumours) makes me suspect that there is a God. Just not one that is anything like the judeo-christian one.

And yes, I realise religion and God are separate questions.So you suspect? I suspect that one day there will be a black lesbian pope but then again I could be an old cynic!!"

Which reminds me...

Did you hear about the racist, homophobic, sexist atheist who died only to find out that not only does God very much exist; God is also a black lesbian?

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"If you had to invite one of the Gods to lunch who would be the most fun?

Bachus the roman god of wine

Or Aphrodite Greek goddess of love (because she's hot)xx

Or?? Lets have both and have a roman orgy!!

We can bring Venus in too - but may have to debate as to whether Cupid's allowed in!!

That would be a Greek Roman orgy.......a bit like dogging at Pennington Flash on a summers night?

You've lost me there! Understand the greek/roman comment - but never been dogging (I like beds) and don't know what/where pennington flash is!

xx"
All the good looking ones deny a visit to Penny!

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"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?

Ok then...question for the OP here...what about the religions that say there is no God or Gods:

*Jainism

*Some strains of hinduism

Or those religions that deem the question of whether there is a God or not to be completely irrelevant:

*Buddhism

Or those religions where belief is not really important; following the (religious) law is:

*Judaism

*Islam

Yes I know; but the old adage 'there's so much suffering in the world, how can there be a God' seems to make a lot of (christiancentric) assumptions about the nature of a God.

On a personal level, suffering (yes, even parasites, mass murder and babies born with brain tumours) makes me suspect that there is a God. Just not one that is anything like the judeo-christian one.

And yes, I realise religion and God are separate questions.So you suspect? I suspect that one day there will be a black lesbian pope but then again I could be an old cynic!!

Which reminds me...

Did you hear about the racist, homophobic, sexist atheist who died only to find out that not only does God very much exist; God is also a black lesbian?"
Er no never heard that one..............is there a punch line?

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"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?

Ok then...question for the OP here...what about the religions that say there is no God or Gods:

*Jainism

*Some strains of hinduism

Or those religions that deem the question of whether there is a God or not to be completely irrelevant:

*Buddhism

Or those religions where belief is not really important; following the (religious) law is:

*Judaism

*Islam

Yes I know; but the old adage 'there's so much suffering in the world, how can there be a God' seems to make a lot of (christiancentric) assumptions about the nature of a God.

On a personal level, suffering (yes, even parasites, mass murder and babies born with brain tumours) makes me suspect that there is a God. Just not one that is anything like the judeo-christian one.

And yes, I realise religion and God are separate questions.So you suspect? I suspect that one day there will be a black lesbian pope but then again I could be an old cynic!!

Suspect; yes. I don't see how the existence of suffering makes the existence of a God any less likely. It just means the christian conception of an all-loving God is unlikely. It doesn't prove at all that there is no God at all.Quite interesting you (and others) refer to "him" shows that the indoctrination and manufactured physco babble is working!"

Not...really as I didn't have a 'christian' upbringing nor was I brought up in a 'christian' country.

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over a year ago

"What do you mean by God?A deity that is worshipped and is omnipresent.

^This^

Not all religions or religious viewpoints hold God to be omnipresent or deem it neccesary for him to be worshipped.

Buddhism and deism for example.

That's what I mean about the OP making judeo-christian assumptions.I thought we agreed we had parked the religion gig and were concentrating on God. And yes it was aimed at the Christian section as its Christmas!"

But you didn't state that in the OP.

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Well if there ent these isis mother fuckers are fucked I just hope the devil is real and is gay and instead of 62 virgins waiting for them the devil is with a handful of Viagra and a 20" dick waiting to fuck them right up the arse.

Now now you TVs no need to convert to Islam it was a joke

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over a year ago

"What do you mean by God?A deity that is worshipped and is omnipresent.

^This^

Not all religions or religious viewpoints hold God to be omnipresent or deem it neccesary for him to be worshipped.

Buddhism and deism for example.

But you didn't state that in the OP."
No Didn't state it I assumed that people would click; but as you know assume makes an ass out of you and me!

The question was actually about which God is the best. So far no one has put a cogent argument to support a belief. Its been more of abstract comments on an excuse for a higher being. Do you have anymore jokes to share?

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"What do you mean by God?A deity that is worshipped and is omnipresent.

^This^

Not all religions or religious viewpoints hold God to be omnipresent or deem it neccesary for him to be worshipped.

Buddhism and deism for example.

But you didn't state that in the OP.No Didn't state it I assumed that people would click; but as you know assume makes an ass out of you and me!

Are you for real it's a fucking swingers site not a bible weekly. Now if your looking for answers I have a rope you can borrow it's called learn the hard way. Zzzzzzzz people get a life.

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"What do you mean by God?A deity that is worshipped and is omnipresent.

^This^

Not all religions or religious viewpoints hold God to be omnipresent or deem it neccesary for him to be worshipped.

Buddhism and deism for example.

But you didn't state that in the OP.No Didn't state it I assumed that people would click; but as you know assume makes an ass out of you and me!

Are you for real it's a fucking swingers site not a bible weekly. Now if your looking for answers I have a rope you can borrow it's called learn the hard way. Zzzzzzzz people get a life."
Perhaps somewhat firm but fair comment. That said the reader could always switch to another channel?

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over a year ago

There is no God,,see my "Our father who art in Heaven" thread Bloody Sunderland

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

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I don't see how you can separate religion from godhead, surely that's the very essence of their existence?

Anyhow, I lean towards budhism as it's a non prophet organisation

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"What do you mean by God?A deity that is worshipped and is omnipresent.

^This^

Not all religions or religious viewpoints hold God to be omnipresent or deem it neccesary for him to be worshipped.

Buddhism and deism for example.

But you didn't state that in the OP.No Didn't state it I assumed that people would click; but as you know assume makes an ass out of you and me!

Are you for real it's a fucking swingers site not a bible weekly. Now if your looking for answers I have a rope you can borrow it's called learn the hard way. Zzzzzzzz people get a life."

But its also a forum which means discussion and as far as i am aware there are threads for many topics and i believe the lounge is one for any topic of discussion.

Perhaps if you just wanted wank material you could of avoided this section and looked in the varying other forums or the chat and cam rooms have more than enough to satisfy your animal needs.

Im not too fussed on this topic either but others are so leave them to their discussions and you continue with your 5 finger shuffle excercise and we will all be happy. Merry Xmas

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God don't really exist, its a form of messiah the human beings have created, in their mind. To believe a god type being have created us.

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By *el65Man
over a year ago

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"Probably not, and if one does exist then it'll be nothing like we imagine.

Religion doesn't cause wars and suffering, people do. Religion is just a handy excuse

Religion causes wars. Often there is no economic or other reason for the war. "

Religion has caused many wars however man,s greed and lust for power has caused just as many if not more

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

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I have to say, I'm not a believer (to put it mildly). I'm firmly of the mind that organised region was created to serve 2 purposes.

Firstly to control the masses, defining a moral code in the same way modern laws do.... but with the knowledge that "sinners will be struck down" by the omni present enforcer (god).

Secondly, I think that people embraced religion because of the idea that there is "something after death... so death isn't as scary.

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"Well if there ent these isis mother fuckers are fucked I just hope the devil is real and is gay and instead of 62 virgins waiting for them the devil is with a handful of Viagra and a 20" dick waiting to fuck them right up the arse.

Now now you TVs no need to convert to Islam it was a joke "

Weirdly enough being transsexual is something that is not condemned in Islam.

Which is why in Iran the government will pay for sex-change operations and Iran has the second-largest number of transsexuals after Thailand.

And no; I'm not joking.

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"I have to say, I'm not a believer (to put it mildly). I'm firmly of the mind that organised region was created to serve 2 purposes.

Firstly to control the masses, defining a moral code in the same way modern laws do.... but with the knowledge that "sinners will be struck down" by the omni present enforcer (god).

Secondly, I think that people embraced religion because of the idea that there is "something after death... so death isn't as scary."

So how do you explain a religion like Judaism, that (originally) absolutely accepted the idea that there was an all-powerful God, but did not believe in an afterlife at all?

I absolutely agree that religion is a man-made construct (obvious really), but not for the reason of 'distracting you from how shitty life is by the promise of something after death' for the reason that not all religions have an afterlife.

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over a year ago

"I don't see how you can separate religion from godhead, surely that's the very essence of their existence?

Anyhow, I lean towards budhism as it's a non prophet organisation"

Well; yes you can. As I pointed out earlier; Jainism, some forms of Hinduism and Buddhism don't have a God or Gods.

Belief in God isn't absolutely required in Judaism either.

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"What do you mean by God?A deity that is worshipped and is omnipresent.

^This^

Not all religions or religious viewpoints hold God to be omnipresent or deem it neccesary for him to be worshipped.

Buddhism and deism for example.

But you didn't state that in the OP.No Didn't state it I assumed that people would click; but as you know assume makes an ass out of you and me!

Are you for real it's a fucking swingers site not a bible weekly. Now if your looking for answers I have a rope you can borrow it's called learn the hard way. Zzzzzzzz people get a life."

Thanks for that; do you have any other intelligent, rational contributions to make?

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"I have to say, I'm not a believer (to put it mildly). I'm firmly of the mind that organised region was created to serve 2 purposes.

Firstly to control the masses, defining a moral code in the same way modern laws do.... but with the knowledge that "sinners will be struck down" by the omni present enforcer (god).

Secondly, I think that people embraced religion because of the idea that there is "something after death... so death isn't as scary.

So how do you explain a religion like Judaism, that (originally) absolutely accepted the idea that there was an all-powerful God, but did not believe in an afterlife at all?

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How does one explain that its the ambition of every Jewish couple to have a son as fundamental part of the belief as that particular sect (lets call all religions that) are still awaiting Brian ooops I mean the Messiah. Unlike the Christians have had their man?

Additionally most (man from Lincoln take note ...... most) religions have a life after death belief based on the immortal soul. So if the soul is immortal then it has no beginning and no end so if there is life after death then surely there must be lie before life? Is so are the reincarnates right? Perhaps the forthright chap from the black country was right this is after all a recreational sex site!

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

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"An old chestnut I know but with the latest inhuman goings on in various parts of the world does God exist? If so whose got the best one?"

Bacchus, surely, is the best one for us.

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"I have to say, I'm not a believer (to put it mildly). I'm firmly of the mind that organised region was created to serve 2 purposes.

Firstly to control the masses, defining a moral code in the same way modern laws do.... but with the knowledge that "sinners will be struck down" by the omni present enforcer (god).

Secondly, I think that people embraced religion because of the idea that there is "something after death... so death isn't as scary.

So how do you explain a religion like Judaism, that (originally) absolutely accepted the idea that there was an all-powerful God, but did not believe in an afterlife at all?

How does one explain that its the ambition of every Jewish couple to have a son as fundamental part of the belief as that particular sect (lets call all religions that) are still awaiting Brian ooops I mean the Messiah. Unlike the Christians have had their man?

Buddhism doesn't believe in a 'soul' (or 'atman')-unlike in Hinduism, one does not have a soul that is reincarnated at death; the whole concept of 'self' does not exist in buddhism. So what is reincarnated in buddhism is not a 'soul' but the various parts of the individual that are reincarnated in different living things after death.

Again, as I pointed out before, Judaism didn't originally have an afterlife.

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over a year ago

I'm an insomniac dyslexic agnostic. I like awake wondering whether there's a dog...

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over a year ago

Now now you TVs no need to convert to Islam it was a joke

Weirdly enough being transsexual is something that is not condemned in Islam.

Which is why in Iran the government will pay for sex-change operations and Iran has the second-largest number of transsexuals after Thailand.

And no; I'm not joking."
The Islamic view on transgendered/bigendered people may be covered among the ideas of Mukhannathun, although that is unclear. Mukhannath appears to literally refer to hermaphrodites, but http://wislam.org/Concepts/Mukhannath suggests that it applies to trangendered people as well (although maybe only MtF). If the mukhannthun rules do not apply, then Islam treats them as the physical gender they were born.

Anyone who speaks the shahadah in good faith is a Muslim. The Prophet PBUH said that every child is born Muslim, so it stands to reason that Allah swt would not reject someone transgendered from returning to their true faith.

Marriage is defined as being between a man and a woman; this is apparently defined by birth genitals.

As for what Islamic practices transgendered folk should follow, I cannot find any solid argument one way or the other.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

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"Clearly the notion that there is an omnipresent omnipotent ubiquitous pan dimensional hyper being who cares about every living thing, is a complete nonsense, or else he's a sick bastard with a really warped sense of humour.

It's not clear to me that it's nonsense. How do you come to that conclusion?

I think the intelligent design philosophy has more merit, but in the absence of any empirical evidence, is nothing more than another belief system."

Intelligent design doesn't really answer anything. Who created or designed the intelligent designer and when you identify that designer's creator or designer who created him( or her or it). At some point of iteration you have accept either everything just started from nothing somehow or something infinite exists from which every thing else is ultimately created. If you choose the latter them the only logical options are Either the infinite is just a completely benign existent something or it is something with intelligence and purpose, something like God

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"I have to say, I'm not a believer (to put it mildly). I'm firmly of the mind that organised region was created to serve 2 purposes.

Firstly to control the masses, defining a moral code in the same way modern laws do.... but with the knowledge that "sinners will be struck down" by the omni present enforcer (god).

Secondly, I think that people embraced religion because of the idea that there is "something after death... so death isn't as scary.

So how do you explain a religion like Judaism, that (originally) absolutely accepted the idea that there was an all-powerful God, but did not believe in an afterlife at all?

As regards Judaism, Judaism is, in contrast to Christianity, about 'salvation through good works' rather than 'salvation through God's grace'-it is not what a person believes that is important; it is what someone does.(this is also true of Islam)...as regards the question of the messiah- I would imagine most Jews (as well as muslims) would just say that they didn't consider Jesus to have been the Messiah.

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over a year ago

"I have to say, I'm not a believer (to put it mildly). I'm firmly of the mind that organised region was created to serve 2 purposes.

Firstly to control the masses, defining a moral code in the same way modern laws do.... but with the knowledge that "sinners will be struck down" by the omni present enforcer (god).

Secondly, I think that people embraced religion because of the idea that there is "something after death... so death isn't as scary.

So how do you explain a religion like Judaism, that (originally) absolutely accepted the idea that there was an all-powerful God, but did not believe in an afterlife at all?

Again, as I pointed out before, Judaism didn't originally have an afterlife. "
As I emphasised I said some! Judaism does have an afterlife belief!

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Now now you TVs no need to convert to Islam it was a joke

Weirdly enough being transsexual is something that is not condemned in Islam.

Which is why in Iran the government will pay for sex-change operations and Iran has the second-largest number of transsexuals after Thailand.

And no; I'm not joking.The Islamic view on transgendered/bigendered people may be covered among the ideas of Mukhannathun, although that is unclear. Mukhannath appears to literally refer to hermaphrodites, but http://wislam.org/Concepts/Mukhannath suggests that it applies to trangendered people as well (although maybe only MtF). If the mukhannthun rules do not apply, then Islam treats them as the physical gender they were born.

Marriage is defined as being between a man and a woman; this is apparently defined by birth genitals.

As for what Islamic practices transgendered folk should follow, I cannot find any solid argument one way or the other.

Well as regards Iran, of course in Iran the majority of people are Shia rather than Sunni; but there was a fatwa issued under the auspices of the late Ayatollah Khomenei saying just thatvas regards transexxuals.

Not sure as regards Sunni Islam; though I would imagine the attitude to be something similar.

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"I have to say, I'm not a believer (to put it mildly). I'm firmly of the mind that organised region was created to serve 2 purposes.

Firstly to control the masses, defining a moral code in the same way modern laws do.... but with the knowledge that "sinners will be struck down" by the omni present enforcer (god).

Secondly, I think that people embraced religion because of the idea that there is "something after death... so death isn't as scary.

So how do you explain a religion like Judaism, that (originally) absolutely accepted the idea that there was an all-powerful God, but did not believe in an afterlife at all?

Again, as I pointed out before, Judaism didn't originally have an afterlife. As I emphasised I said some! Judaism does have an afterlife belief!"

Yes; it does *now*, but for most of its existence (an particularly in Old Testament times) it did not.

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over a year ago

So to maybe re ask the question in a subtle way. Your having a dinner party which four gods would you invite? The invitations can go to Abrahamic, Greek, Roman and minority sects (save for the UKIP). Its a free gig with no restrictions on food and drink. Guests to arrive at 8 with Carriages at midnight. Dress code formal.

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I would invite

Jehovah/Yahweh/Allah (bit of a cheat there as they're all different names for the same God)

Odin/Jupiter/Zeus/Wotan/Brahma (same as above)

Thor

Shiva

Loki

Pan

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over a year ago

Widnes

"God don't really exist, its a form of messiah the human beings have created, in their mind. To believe a god type being have created us."

In your opinion.

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"God don't really exist, its a form of messiah the human beings have created, in their mind. To believe a god type being have created us.

In your opinion."
Yes, that's right.

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Not sure as regards Sunni Islam; though I would imagine the attitude to be something similar.

Seems you have answered your take on the OP. different sects have different factions have different interpretations have different objectives and its seems the Jews change horses hallway through a testament!

My belief is that there is no higher being save for the laws of nature and physics; those known and those to be discovered. I cannot help thinking that all Gods (save for Nigel Farage and Ron Hubbard) were manufactured in times when it was thought the earth was flat and Adam and Eve were attending a swingers club in Eden. There God and its subsequent delivery system of religion is an irrelevance which in a thousand years will be forgotten, with some luck.

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"Well as regards Iran, of course in Iran the majority of people are Shia rather than Sunni; but there was a fatwa issued under the auspices of the late Ayatollah Khomenei saying just thatvas regards transexxuals.

Not sure as regards Sunni Islam; though I would imagine the attitude to be something similar.

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I doubt very much that religion will have disappeared in a thousand years.

I also take Einstein's view that if we could prove a God or Gods exist; we would have no need for religion anymore. Ironic; much?

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over a year ago

Widnes

"I have to say, I'm not a believer (to put it mildly). I'm firmly of the mind that organised region was created to serve 2 purposes.

Firstly to control the masses, defining a moral code in the same way modern laws do.... but with the knowledge that "sinners will be struck down" by the omni present enforcer (god).

Secondly, I think that people embraced religion because of the idea that there is "something after death... so death isn't as scary.

So how do you explain a religion like Judaism, that (originally) absolutely accepted the idea that there was an all-powerful God, but did not believe in an afterlife at all?

Again, as I pointed out before, Judaism didn't originally have an afterlife. As I emphasised I said some! Judaism does have an afterlife belief!

Yes; it does *now*, but for most of its existence (an particularly in Old Testament times) it did not."

Not all Jewish sects accept the existence of an after even now days.

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As we live in a PC world and on the advice of Sydney University I would say:

Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all.

In addition, please also accept my best wishes for a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2015, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make this country great (not to imply that this country is necessarily greater than any other country or area of choice), and without limitation by race, creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual orientation.

This latter wish is limited to the customary and usual good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first. "holiday" is not intended to be limited to the usual Judeo-Christian celebrations or observances, or to such activities of any organized or ad hoc religious community, group, individual or belief (or lack thereof).

Please note that by accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms:

(i) This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher at any time, for any reason or for no reason at all.

(ii) This greeting is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. This greeting implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for the wisher him/herself or others, or responsibility for the consequences which may arise from the implementation or non- implementation of it.

This greeting is void where prohibited by law.

Alternatively:

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year !to you and your families

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Not sure as regards Sunni Islam; though I would imagine the attitude to be something similar.

But like you said earlier; religion and God (and the question of an afterlife) are separate things that are not neccesarily connected.

One can believe in a God without being religious.

Likewise one can be religious without believing in a God.

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"I have to say, I'm not a believer (to put it mildly). I'm firmly of the mind that organised region was created to serve 2 purposes.

Firstly to control the masses, defining a moral code in the same way modern laws do.... but with the knowledge that "sinners will be struck down" by the omni present enforcer (god).

Secondly, I think that people embraced religion because of the idea that there is "something after death... so death isn't as scary.

So how do you explain a religion like Judaism, that (originally) absolutely accepted the idea that there was an all-powerful God, but did not believe in an afterlife at all?

Again, as I pointed out before, Judaism didn't originally have an afterlife. As I emphasised I said some! Judaism does have an afterlife belief!

Yes; it does *now*, but for most of its existence (an particularly in Old Testament times) it did not.

Not all Jewish sects accept the existence of an after even now days."

-And like I pointed out earlier, Judaism isn't massively concerned about belief; which is why you can be an atheist and still 100% legitimately be considered Jewish.

The same applies for Islam.

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Not sure as regards Sunni Islam; though I would imagine the attitude to be something similar.

I likewise believe that the laws of physics; being fixed and immutable, are the only 'God' there is.

The difference there though being that I think there is a consciousness behind it. Which I guess you don't.