FabSwingers.com mobile

Join us FREE, we're FREE to use

Web's largest swingers site since 2006.

Already registered?
Login here

Back to forum list
Back to The Lounge

The real meaning of christmas

Jump to newest
 

By *couser83 OP   Man
over a year ago

Liverpool

Just wondering since the big day is nearly here, who will be celebrating Christmas by remembering what it's about.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *nnejohnCouple
over a year ago

warrington

yes ,days becoming lighter after the winter solstice

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen


"yes ,days becoming lighter after the winter solstice"

Ditto

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

Well I won't be celebrating the fake birth of a fake son of god born from a fake virgin

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We celebrate the birth of Santa on xmas day, by giving ridiculous gifts, eating a lot and farting whilst watching The Great Escape. Traditions are important in our house.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *couser83 OP   Man
over a year ago

Liverpool

I give up sometimes

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Well, what does Christmas mean to you, OP?

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

We won't be celebrating Christmas as a feast to commemorate the birth of Jesus, no. We think of it as a mid winter celebration.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"Just wondering since the big day is nearly here, who will be celebrating Christmas by remembering what it's about. "

a dilated vagina and a head appearing

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just wondering since the big day is nearly here, who will be celebrating Christmas by remembering what it's about.

a dilated vagina and a head appearing"

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts


"Just wondering since the big day is nearly here, who will be celebrating Christmas by remembering what it's about.

a dilated vagina and a head appearing"

Someone trip when they were going down on a very wet lass?

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *couser83 OP   Man
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Well, what does Christmas mean to you, OP? "

Personally it's about celebrating the birth of jesus, but also its a time for giving. As each year that goes by am wondering if all people see is the commercial side to it. Even if your not religious Christmas should mean more then just *I got a new xbox* for Christmas. Time with family is important and also reflecting on those who will be alone or less fortunate then ourself's.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like that some people are friendlier at xmas. Don't know how to describe it.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Well, what does Christmas mean to you, OP?

Personally it's about celebrating the birth of jesus, but also its a time for giving. As each year that goes by am wondering if all people see is the commercial side to it. Even if your not religious Christmas should mean more then just *I got a new xbox* for Christmas. Time with family is important and also reflecting on those who will be alone or less fortunate then ourself's. "

A Family is for life not just for Christmas.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Just wondering since the big day is nearly here, who will be celebrating Christmas by remembering what it's about. "

Christians.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 07/12/14 19:35:05]

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Christmas was around hundreds of years before religious idiots hijacked it, just under a different name. We celebrate a festival of gift giving and joy that has fuck all to do with a fairytale carachter that a book of bedtime stories written 2000 years ago blabs on about

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Christmas has only existed since Christianity. It can't have existed before.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well, what does Christmas mean to you, OP?

Personally it's about celebrating the birth of jesus, but also its a time for giving. As each year that goes by am wondering if all people see is the commercial side to it. Even if your not religious Christmas should mean more then just *I got a new xbox* for Christmas. Time with family is important and also reflecting on those who will be alone or less fortunate then ourself's. "

Ok yes op - i'd agree! In fact I used to be a very strong Christian and a Sunday School teacher. Once you make the decision to become a swinger, however, your lifestyle choice is hugely incompatible with many of the teachings in the bible - hence many swingers leave the church. This year I have no idea what i'll do with regard to church - it would seem wrong not to go yet hypocritical to go!

But either way I still believe in love, peace, family and forgiveness! Xxx

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Christmas has only existed since Christianity. It can't have existed before."

Christmas didn't... But the winter solstice did.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Christmas has only existed since Christianity. It can't have existed before."

Hence the "under a different name" farmers used to take boxes of gifts to the poor to help them through the harsh winter. I.e. BOXING DAY or did you think it was about mike tyson lol

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yuletide!

The Winter Solstice, when for this one day of the year only, from my home the sun disappears completely behind the shoulder of the mountain.

Then I know that the seasons have turned and the real year is born anew.

From my celtic mountains, we have celebrated this day for many thousands of years - were doing so long before the "new" religions were even dreamed of.

Time to remember loved ones gone, and to hope for a peaceful future....

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *couser83 OP   Man
over a year ago

Liverpool

I understand Christmas has been around be for Christians, if I remember my history it was celebrated by the druids to signifi the end of winter and the start of a new year. Jesus wasn't even born on the 25th of December, he was born sometime in the summer but because the druids had a bid celebration in December the church decided to use that holiday as the birth of christ. I am religious up to a point but I do have my own mind and don't blindly believe everything am told.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So why call it the "real" meaning? The religious bs was wallpapered over the REAL meaning!

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *couser83 OP   Man
over a year ago

Liverpool


"So why call it the "real" meaning? The religious bs was wallpapered over the REAL meaning! "

Really, the story of *religious* Christmas is about giving and spending time with those you love. So how is it bs?

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well, what does Christmas mean to you, OP?

Personally it's about celebrating the birth of jesus"

Make your mind up

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *couser83 OP   Man
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Well, what does Christmas mean to you, OP?

Personally it's about celebrating the birth of jesus

Make your mind up "

Am glad you only quoted part of that post. Do you work in media?

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

The fact I have 12 days off work and I am hopefully cooking dinner for my parents if my oven is fixed....

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think we all know when anyone mentions the real/true meaning of christmas they are talking about jesus. That part is bs. A guy with dellusions of grandieur who conned a load of supetstitious nuts into writing a book of exagerated stories about him and 2000 years later a few people still blindly follow it foolishly believing its fact.

He wasnt born in December, wasnt the son of god brcause there is no god so there for has no claim to a winter celebration. To say he does is BS!!

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *couser83 OP   Man
over a year ago

Liverpool


"The fact I have 12 days off work and I am hopefully cooking dinner for my parents if my oven is fixed.... "

Pray for a miracle

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Christmas has only existed since Christianity. It can't have existed before.

Christmas didn't... But the winter solstice did. "

Yep. But the question is specifically about Christmas

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" there is no god so there for has no claim to a winter celebration."

Don't be ridiculous.

Lemmy clearly exists.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We don't celebrate Christmas,we celebrate being a loving family

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think we all know when anyone mentions the real/true meaning of christmas they are talking about jesus. That part is bs. A guy with dellusions of grandieur who conned a load of supetstitious nuts into writing a book of exagerated stories about him and 2000 years later a few people still blindly follow it foolishly believing its fact.

He wasnt born in December, wasnt the son of god brcause there is no god so there for has no claim to a winter celebration. To say he does is BS!! "

Actually as much as I am not a Christian nor do I believe in the god... I do believe that it wasn't Jesus that got people To write a book... ... You think had the likes of David Copperfield or other street magicians lived then, how they would seem... The people at the time needed something to believe in, the Romans helped push the myth..

But whatever I believe, I have no right to say someone else's belief is rubbish.... As it's their belief not mine...As long as they don't try to push it on me x

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I think we all know when anyone mentions the real/true meaning of christmas they are talking about jesus. That part is bs. A guy with dellusions of grandieur who conned a load of supetstitious nuts into writing a book of exagerated stories about him and 2000 years later a few people still blindly follow it foolishly believing its fact.

He wasnt born in December, wasnt the son of god brcause there is no god so there for has no claim to a winter celebration. To say he does is BS!!

Actually as much as I am not a Christian nor do I believe in the god... I do believe that it wasn't Jesus that got people To write a book... ... You think had the likes of David Copperfield or other street magicians lived then, how they would seem... The people at the time needed something to believe in, the Romans helped push the myth..

But whatever I believe, I have no right to say someone else's belief is rubbish.... As it's their belief not mine...As long as they don't try to push it on me x"

well said!

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My own two cents? There's absolutely a God, just not a personal one that there is any point in praying to nor one who gives a flying toss about individual human beings, and is indifferent rather than cruel.

Christmas? Excuse to give and recieve presents. I only celebrate it because the culture I live in is predominately at least culturally christian.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Christmas has only existed since Christianity. It can't have existed before."

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think we all know when anyone mentions the real/true meaning of christmas they are talking about jesus. That part is bs. A guy with dellusions of grandieur who conned a load of supetstitious nuts into writing a book of exagerated stories about him and 2000 years later a few people still blindly follow it foolishly believing its fact.

He wasnt born in December, wasnt the son of god brcause there is no god so there for has no claim to a winter celebration. To say he does is BS!!

Actually as much as I am not a Christian nor do I believe in the god... I do believe that it wasn't Jesus that got people To write a book... ... You think had the likes of David Copperfield or other street magicians lived then, how they would seem... The people at the time needed something to believe in, the Romans helped push the myth..

But whatever I believe, I have no right to say someone else's belief is rubbish.... As it's their belief not mine...As long as they don't try to push it on me x"

Same for all beliefs.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good old Capitalistmas!

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think we all know when anyone mentions the real/true meaning of christmas they are talking about jesus. That part is bs. A guy with dellusions of grandieur who conned a load of supetstitious nuts into writing a book of exagerated stories about him and 2000 years later a few people still blindly follow it foolishly believing its fact.

He wasnt born in December, wasnt the son of god brcause there is no god so there for has no claim to a winter celebration. To say he does is BS!!

Actually as much as I am not a Christian nor do I believe in the god... I do believe that it wasn't Jesus that got people To write a book... ... You think had the likes of David Copperfield or other street magicians lived then, how they would seem... The people at the time needed something to believe in, the Romans helped push the myth..

But whatever I believe, I have no right to say someone else's belief is rubbish.... As it's their belief not mine...As long as they don't try to push it on me x

Same for all beliefs. "

Yep; 100% agreed.

Voltaire:

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" But whatever I believe, I have no right to say someone else's belief is rubbish.... As it's their belief not mine..."

Totally agree with this!!

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *icked weaselCouple
over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

We Just join the masses of people and drink ourselves to death.. and then eat cake afterwards..

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I prefer to celebrate the solstice on the 21st in my own way. The 25th? More food than normal, presents and films on TV with the family. No mention of Jesus or Christians in our household.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's all about the money, Honey.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *illyjohnyCouple
over a year ago

brighton

Christmas is a time for cheer

it happens every single year

the beer is flowing and candles glowing

and kids are smiling ear to ear.

The smell of cooking Brussel sprouts or the after effects without a doubt

A time with loved ones at least once a year that to us is why Christmas is here

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I'll be celebrating love in all its many forms.

If you're a Christian then Christ's birth is about the birth of a child given by God in love of us humans who had lost our way.

If you're a pagan it's the start of the return of the sun.

If you're Jewish than it's the festival of lights and re-dedication to the faith, Chanukah. This year it's 16th to 24th December.

If you're African American then you might celebrate family, community and culture with Kwanzaa.

Or you might just celebrate New Year's Eve with alcohol and kissing.

Holidays and specific dates are artificial constructs anyway. I celebrate Chrismas, I always note Chanukah, I thank the sun for returning on the solstice and have a drink on NYE.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

But whatever I believe, I have no right to say someone else's belief is rubbish.... As it's their belief not mine...As long as they don't try to push it on me x"

All Im doing is saying what I believe. Its no different from what religious believers do. Tell them you dont believe and watch how fast they rubbish your _iew!

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm doing good deeds in the run up to Christmas... I have a thread on it if anyone is interested...

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *icked weaselCouple
over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

Falling Out, Too Much Dinner, Falling Asleep, Farting Veggie smells, Getting D*unk.. And all you Want is for your Little ones have fun..

Christmas has Changed !!!

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *couser83 OP   Man
over a year ago

Liverpool


"

But whatever I believe, I have no right to say someone else's belief is rubbish.... As it's their belief not mine...As long as they don't try to push it on me x

All Im doing is saying what I believe. Its no different from what religious believers do. Tell them you dont believe and watch how fast they rubbish your _iew! "

Everyone has their own _iews, I may not agree to them but never would I say it's rubbish. After all we live in a country with free speech.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *illyjohnyCouple
over a year ago

brighton

Oh and how can we forget misery of Eastenders Who will die,get dumped or get caught out this year

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *couser83 OP   Man
over a year ago

Liverpool

Can't beat doctor who Christmas special

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"I understand Christmas has been around be for Christians, if I remember my history it was celebrated by the druids to signifi the end of winter and the start of a new year. Jesus wasn't even born on the 25th of December, he was born sometime in the summer but because the druids had a bid celebration in December the church decided to use that holiday as the birth of christ. I am religious up to a point but I do have my own mind and don't blindly believe everything am told."

CHRISTmas CHRISTmas........

There were no Christians before CHRIST.

There was NO Christmas before Christians.

It goes...... Christ. Christians. Christianity. Christmas.

I almost choked at someone saying that Druids were busy celebrating Christmas prior to Christ and Christianity and Christians.

You can't write this stuff.......

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"Well, what does Christmas mean to you, OP?

Personally it's about celebrating the birth of jesus, but also its a time for giving. As each year that goes by am wondering if all people see is the commercial side to it. Even if your not religious Christmas should mean more then just *I got a new xbox* for Christmas. Time with family is important and also reflecting on those who will be alone or less fortunate then ourself's.

Ok yes op - i'd agree! In fact I used to be a very strong Christian and a Sunday School teacher. Once you make the decision to become a swinger, however, your lifestyle choice is hugely incompatible with many of the teachings in the bible - hence many swingers leave the church. This year I have no idea what i'll do with regard to church - it would seem wrong not to go yet hypocritical to go!

But either way I still believe in love, peace, family and forgiveness! Xxx"
. Cannot see any harm in attending church. Better to go than not to go at Xmas

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I understand Christmas has been around be for Christians, if I remember my history it was celebrated by the druids to signifi the end of winter and the start of a new year. Jesus wasn't even born on the 25th of December, he was born sometime in the summer but because the druids had a bid celebration in December the church decided to use that holiday as the birth of christ. I am religious up to a point but I do have my own mind and don't blindly believe everything am told.

CHRISTmas CHRISTmas........

There were no Christians before CHRIST.

There was NO Christmas before Christians.

It goes...... Christ. Christians. Christianity. Christmas.

I almost choked at someone saying that Druids were busy celebrating Christmas prior to Christ and Christianity and Christians.

You can't write this stuff....... "

Pre-christian pagans certainly celebrated a holiday on the 25th of december, regardless of what it was called.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I understand Christmas has been around be for Christians, if I remember my history it was celebrated by the druids to signifi the end of winter and the start of a new year. Jesus wasn't even born on the 25th of December, he was born sometime in the summer but because the druids had a bid celebration in December the church decided to use that holiday as the birth of christ. I am religious up to a point but I do have my own mind and don't blindly believe everything am told.

CHRISTmas CHRISTmas........

There were no Christians before CHRIST.

There was NO Christmas before Christians.

It goes...... Christ. Christians. Christianity. Christmas.

I almost choked at someone saying that Druids were busy celebrating Christmas prior to Christ and Christianity and Christians.

You can't write this stuff....... "

a point I made earlier Granny. Didn't

seem to impact then either.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

But whatever I believe, I have no right to say someone else's belief is rubbish.... As it's their belief not mine...As long as they don't try to push it on me x

All Im doing is saying what I believe. Its no different from what religious believers do. Tell them you dont believe and watch how fast they rubbish your _iew! "

and what if you're like me then; neither religious nor an atheist?

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *carineMan
over a year ago

Armthorpe, Doncaster

Cello is an abbreviation for violoncello(not violincello). Some basses have a fifth string tuned to the B or C below the bottom E.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I understand Christmas has been around be for Christians, if I remember my history it was celebrated by the druids to signifi the end of winter and the start of a new year. Jesus wasn't even born on the 25th of December, he was born sometime in the summer but because the druids had a bid celebration in December the church decided to use that holiday as the birth of christ. I am religious up to a point but I do have my own mind and don't blindly believe everything am told.

CHRISTmas CHRISTmas........

There were no Christians before CHRIST.

There was NO Christmas before Christians.

It goes...... Christ. Christians. Christianity. Christmas.

I almost choked at someone saying that Druids were busy celebrating Christmas prior to Christ and Christianity and Christians.

You can't write this stuff.......

Pre-christian pagans certainly celebrated a holiday on the 25th of december, regardless of what it was called."

Yes but look at the original question.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To answer the original question. No I won't be celebrating the 25th. I'm completely non-religious and would much rather just have it pass by without noticing it.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To answer the original question. No I won't be celebrating the 25th. I'm completely non-religious and would much rather just have it pass by without noticing it. "

What's being non-religious got to do with celebrating Christmas? The current ultra-commercialised incarnation bears very little resemblance to the original Christian celebration anyway.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Do those not celebrating Christmas offer to work the shifts for those who do celebrate Christmas (if you do the sort of work where cover is needed)?

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do those not celebrating Christmas offer to work the shifts for those who do celebrate Christmas (if you do the sort of work where cover is needed)?"

If I had a job that had to be done that day, hell yes I would. Anything to help pass the time quicker

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Well I won't be celebrating the fake birth of a fake son of god born from a fake virgin "
How do you know she was a fake virgin

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isn't christianity one woman's lie about having an affair that got out of hand??? Ol Mary would have been foooked had jezza Kyle been poking his nose in!!

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Isn't christianity one woman's lie about having an affair that got out of hand??? Ol Mary would have been foooked had jezza Kyle been poking his nose in!! "

Bearing in mind Mary was probably in the area of 11-13 at the time (Jewish women at the time were married off as soon as they hit puberty), Jeremy Kyle would probably have been appropriate.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Christmas is many different things to lots of different people, surely people can choose to spend the day or days how they choose without arguing who is right & wrong in the way they choose to. Personally I don't like it too much because of how commercial it is & how we are told what we should do, what we should eat & spend spend spend £££££.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well I won't be celebrating the fake birth of a fake son of god born from a fake virgin How do you know she was a fake virgin "

2000 years ago a virgin was an unmarried women not a women who had not fucked. Mary and Joseph were not married there for Mary was a virgin. That did not mean Joseph had not fucked her. Its amazing what you find out when you study without bias or religious blinkers

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

But whatever I believe, I have no right to say someone else's belief is rubbish.... As it's their belief not mine...As long as they don't try to push it on me x

All Im doing is saying what I believe. Its no different from what religious believers do. Tell them you dont believe and watch how fast they rubbish your _iew!

and what if you're like me then; neither religious nor an atheist?"

Then it wasnt your belief I was rubbishing was it

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well I won't be celebrating the fake birth of a fake son of god born from a fake virgin How do you know she was a fake virgin

2000 years ago a virgin was an unmarried women not a women who had not fucked. Mary and Joseph were not married there for Mary was a virgin. That did not mean Joseph had not fucked her. Its amazing what you find out when you study without bias or religious blinkers "

Cheers now every woman will be posing as a virgin whilst nipping up their wizards sleeve!!

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Cannot see any harm in attending church. Better to go than not to go at Xmas "

Why is it better? Better would insinuate going making a positive difference to somebodies life. Cant see going to church making a blind bit of difference

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


" Cannot see any harm in attending church. Better to go than not to go at Xmas

Why is it better? Better would insinuate going making a positive difference to somebodies life. Cant see going to church making a blind bit of difference "

Singing together, being with others in common purpose and leaving feeling at peace makes a difference. Maybe not to you but to some.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds like a knees up down the pub your describing

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"yes ,days becoming lighter after the winter solstice"

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

Seems a few in here need a dickensian style 3 visitations

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

But whatever I believe, I have no right to say someone else's belief is rubbish.... As it's their belief not mine...As long as they don't try to push it on me x

All Im doing is saying what I believe. Its no different from what religious believers do. Tell them you dont believe and watch how fast they rubbish your _iew!

and what if you're like me then; neither religious nor an atheist?

Then it wasnt your belief I was rubbishing was it "

Not quite.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nowadays the real meaning of 'xmas' is to get joe public consuming like mad and getting in more debt to feed the corporate machine....bah humbug lol

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *couser83 OP   Man
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Well, what does Christmas mean to you, OP?

Personally it's about celebrating the birth of jesus, but also its a time for giving. As each year that goes by am wondering if all people see is the commercial side to it. Even if your not religious Christmas should mean more then just *I got a new xbox* for Christmas. Time with family is important and also reflecting on those who will be alone or less fortunate then ourself's.

Ok yes op - i'd agree! In fact I used to be a very strong Christian and a Sunday School teacher. Once you make the decision to become a swinger, however, your lifestyle choice is hugely incompatible with many of the teachings in the bible - hence many swingers leave the church. This year I have no idea what i'll do with regard to church - it would seem wrong not to go yet hypocritical to go!

But either way I still believe in love, peace, family and forgiveness! Xxx. Cannot see any harm in attending church. Better to go than not to go at Xmas "

Oh I don't know, did anyone see russell howard good news on Thursday? They had swingers who preached the bible to their swinging friends

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

I think there is a danger Christmas will ruin the true meaning of commercialisation.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *layfull pairingCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

I thought it was all about behaving badly at work xmas parties, doing really inappropriate things with work colleagues and being horribly embaressed for next 12 months... Or is that just me ?

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *-4pleasureCouple
over a year ago

Belfast


"I give up sometimes "

You state you want to meet couples. So as a Christian you will be committing adultery by sleeping with someone's wife - irrespective if whether he agrees or not?

So before you despair of us, "considerest the beam that is in thine own eye "..,,

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *couser83 OP   Man
over a year ago

Liverpool


"I give up sometimes

You state you want to meet couples. So as a Christian you will be committing adultery by sleeping with someone's wife - irrespective if whether he agrees or not?

So before you despair of us, "considerest the beam that is in thine own eye "..,,

"

Who said i despair of anyone?

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *-4pleasureCouple
over a year ago

Belfast


"I give up sometimes

You state you want to meet couples. So as a Christian you will be committing adultery by sleeping with someone's wife - irrespective if whether he agrees or not?

So before you despair of us, "considerest the beam that is in thine own eye "..,,

Who said i despair of anyone?"

Well you said you "give up". My point was facetious granted but the Christian assumption of being correct has always grated with me

Anyways...so what about my comments on adultery ?genuinely interested in the Christian take on this

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *couser83 OP   Man
over a year ago

Liverpool


"I give up sometimes

You state you want to meet couples. So as a Christian you will be committing adultery by sleeping with someone's wife - irrespective if whether he agrees or not?

So before you despair of us, "considerest the beam that is in thine own eye "..,,

Who said i despair of anyone?

Well you said you "give up". My point was facetious granted but the Christian assumption of being correct has always grated with me

Anyways...so what about my comments on adultery ?genuinely interested in the Christian take on this"

I'll take the easy way out on this one and say nobody is perfect, it's been a long night and am tired (excuses I know)

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *-4pleasureCouple
over a year ago

Belfast


"I give up sometimes

You state you want to meet couples. So as a Christian you will be committing adultery by sleeping with someone's wife - irrespective if whether he agrees or not?

So before you despair of us, "considerest the beam that is in thine own eye "..,,

Who said i despair of anyone?

Well you said you "give up". My point was facetious granted but the Christian assumption of being correct has always grated with me

Anyways...so what about my comments on adultery ?genuinely interested in the Christian take on this

I'll take the easy way out on this one and say nobody is perfect, it's been a long night and am tired (excuses I know)"

Christianity in a nutshell. Thank you for your honesty

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Christmas means triple pay, empty roads and appreciative clients

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gifts under the tree, the lights in the windows, the cards in the mail, turkey dinners with family and friends, snow in the yard , stockings hanging in the living room, and shouts of "Merry Christmas" to those who pass us in the streets? Is this really Christmas?

For many people, Christmas is a time of sorrow. They don't have the extra money to buy presents for their children, family, and friends. Many are saddened at Christmastime when they think of their loved ones who will not be able to come home for various reasons. Turkey dinners may be only a wish and not a reality for some. For me its my family all together and we will miss our loved ones who have passed .. And its a time for giving to others too .And I will make sure I do.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

For many people, Christmas is a time of sorrow. They don't have the extra money to buy presents for their children, family, and friends. Many are saddened at Christmastime when they think of their loved ones who will not be able to come home for various reasons. Turkey dinners may be only a wish and not a reality for some.

"

And for some its just a reminder of bad times heartache and pain. The onset of decorations and carols fills them with dread and pain for reasons nobody else could ever understand, maybe they dont even understand themselves. When others open presents they want to open their wrists. But everyone around them is yelling cheer up its christmas, smashing them down further and deeper with there attempts to raise a smile. For them.....for me..christmas is a living hell.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And for some its just a reminder of bad times heartache and pain. The onset of decorations and carols fills them with dread and pain for reasons nobody else could ever understand, maybe they dont even understand themselves. When others open presents they want to open their wrists. But everyone around them is yelling cheer up its christmas, smashing them down further and deeper with their attempts to raise a smile. For them.....for me..christmas is a living hell. Yes Rockinlov I seen a lot of this when I was a samaritan over Xmas .. would see allsorts and here all sorts so I know its not always a happy time some hate it with a passion . We would get more calls over holiday times.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive thought about calling samaritans on past christmases but I kinda thought just hold on it will pass. Now Ive got Emily and the kids. So I paint a smile on for the kids (Emily knows only too well how Im feeling so no pretence there) and when the kids go to bed, I fall apart and Emily helps me get it together. Without her...

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ive thought about calling samaritans on past christmases but I kinda thought just hold on it will pass. Now Ive got Emily and the kids. So I paint a smile on for the kids (Emily knows only too well how Im feeling so no pretence there) and when the kids go to bed, I fall apart and Emily helps me get it together. Without her..."
Well if things get bad you call, as there 24/7 and there for everyone . xx You will not be alone I bet some here on fab will feel like you do around Xmas . For me as I say its about my family who I love . Its time to be together and we will chat about family who has passed like my dad we will miss him a lot .. Its not about gifts. At one time everything had to be just right now I am so much more easy going and more relaxed about it all and its all over so fast .

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

personally im not a Cristian so its not bout the birth of jesus for me but im not gonna slag off the op for his beliefs

its bout santa n pressies,woooooo hoooo

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *hortieWoman
over a year ago

Northampton

I will be celebrating cheap spirits

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love to hear people discuss their religion and beliefs and am always very respectful to them but inside I do think how can anybody be so stupid and naive!

However, it gives people comfort believing in something and there are times when I wish I did too.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *adgodCouple
over a year ago

Greensburg


" But whatever I believe, I have no right to say someone else's belief is rubbish.... As it's their belief not mine...

Totally agree with this!! "

Agree with this completely. For us its about love, family, friends and presents. Our favorite time of the year.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

One year I was locked up in a mental health unit for Christmas was only allowed home on Christmas day and boxing day under escort and my son was only about 8.

Two years ago my dad was in a coma and died on new years day. I've never been one to really celebrate as such but always made it lovely for my son.

I know some don't like being on their own or don't want to be single but it really is only a couple of days a year.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Whilst I do have a kid and I crack on with it, Christmas will never be the same again since Mum died 9 years ago.

It puts a load of financial pressure on myself at home and in work.

The sooner it comes and goes the better. Its been here for 6 fucking weeks already and we still have another 3 to go. Over the fucking top

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I know some don't like being on their own or don't want to be single but it really is only a couple of days a year.

"

But thats just it. Its not anymore. The lights, the adverts, the parties etc it all starts november and goes on into Jan. These days its more like a couple of months

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

[Removed by poster at 08/12/14 15:27:40]

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"Just wondering since the big day is nearly here, who will be celebrating Christmas by remembering what it's about. "

As a devout atheist , I care for the welfare and the lack of , of for all humans every day. Xmas should be no differant

Christ mas is allegedly where people who have been con vinced enough to celebrate an arbitrary birth date of a mythical character so it has no real meaning unless you are Christian x

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The real meaning of Xmas is that it's the real New Year...not that arbitrary date set by us a few days later. On the winter solstice the sun reaches it's lowest point but it is only on the 25th that it starts to rise again in the sky, at least to the human eye. This is why the old sun cult of Mithras celebrated the 25th as the rebirth of the Sun... a celebration which Christianity absorbed into itself in order to gain popularity at the time.

There is no other meaning to the date imo... as Jesus never existed My wife and I will be celebrating it heartily, as we always do... but only because it is the real New Year, the virgin rebirth of the Sun, and, of course, that's a wonderful thing really worth celebrating

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I understand Christmas has been around be for Christians, if I remember my history it was celebrated by the druids to signifi the end of winter and the start of a new year. Jesus wasn't even born on the 25th of December, he was born sometime in the summer but because the druids had a bid celebration in December the church decided to use that holiday as the birth of christ. I am religious up to a point but I do have my own mind and don't blindly believe everything am told."

Actually Scouser the real problem is that nobody knows when Jesus was born (primarily because he wasn't born he was just invented imo). The orthodox Church 'believes' he was born around the 6th of January if I recall... but even that is an arbitrary date set by them many moons ago. It was precisely because no-one knew when he was born that they chose to appropriate the festival of Mithras as their own, that and because it was politically advantageous to do so seeing as it was a bigger cult than Christianity at the time and, even then, people really liked the December feast.

I have recently read several books detailing the argument that Jesus is a fictional character. IMO that argument is so compelling that I cannot bring myself to believe anything other than that now. It's a bit turgid, but if you can bring yourself to read 'The Jesus Puzzle' I'm sure you'll find all the answers you're looking for as to why Christianity is the way it is

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have recently read several books detailing the argument that Jesus is a fictional character. IMO that argument is so compelling "

dunno what crazy books you're reading, but the historical character of Jesus is very well documented.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have recently read several books detailing the argument that Jesus is a fictional character. IMO that argument is so compelling

dunno what crazy books you're reading, but the historical character of Jesus is very well documented.

"

Where? The only historic evidence of Jesus in the first 2 centuries is found in a work by the Jewish historian Josephus. Two paragraphs in fact. Both of these show clear signs of having been tampered with by later Christian scribes i.e. they've had stuff inserted in bold print into them which would have meant Josephus was a Christian when he wasn't, such as describing Jesus as 'The Messiah', a _iew which clearly no Jews believed. So there is strong evidence that all references to Jesus in Josephus were later insertions, backed up by the fact that the only reference to these passages in Josephus by other Christians appear in the early 4th century, whilst all Christians refering to Josephus before this point do not mention them, when they would have been helped in their argument if they had. This suggests an insertion date of the late 3rd century.

Besides Josephus, there is no independent historic record of Jesus... outside of the gospels that is...or rather, to be precice, outside of Marks gospel as it is now clear that both Matthew and Luke copied from Mark when composing their own gospels.

Don't take my word for it... read up on it... it's fascinating reading and would make an exceptional Xmas gift It's certainly left me in little doubt that the story of Jesus is little more than a series of parables intended to convey spiritual lessons, just like the other myths (Greek or otherwise) of the time

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"The real meaning of Xmas is that it's the real New Year...not that arbitrary date set by us a few days later. On the winter solstice the sun reaches it's lowest point but it is only on the 25th that it starts to rise again in the sky, at least to the human eye. This is why the old sun cult of Mithras celebrated the 25th as the rebirth of the Sun... a celebration which Christianity absorbed into itself in order to gain popularity at the time.

There is no other meaning to the date imo... as Jesus never existed My wife and I will be celebrating it heartily, as we always do... but only because it is the real New Year, the virgin rebirth of the Sun, and, of course, that's a wonderful thing really worth celebrating "

There is no real new year either , that date is also arbitrary x bearing in mind the above solstice and sun rebirth is only relevant to a small proportion of humans living above certain northern latitudes,

In Australia they show south as up x

Totally agree with your research upon the lack of credible historic references to the Jesus character

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" read up on it... "

I studied this subject at university, thanks.

Marks gospel was written about 30/40 years after JC popped his clogs.

yes there is some evidence the 2 gospels you mentioned are very similar around key events.

Josephus + Tacitus- both Roman historians?

christians in rome 1st century ad?

but if you want to believe Emperor Constantine would make christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire, based on someone who never existed, fine.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"but if you want to believe Emperor Constantine would make christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire, based on someone who never existed, fine."

Why not? All the other religions of the time were based on characters who never existed. I'm sure the reason why most early Christians were persuaded by Christianity was because of it's spiritual message of love, rather than anything to do with their founders historical existence. Indeed there is nearly no mention of Jesus by early Christians, outside of the gospels, for the first 2 centuries... and indeed Minucius Felix even argued against such a historical character in his Christian writings. Most of them appear to believe in a Christ who resided up in heaven rather than here on earth. I think that's why it gelled so well with the predominant Greek religions of the time... and why Constantine was so taken with it But then...what do I know? I only read a book on it lol

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The real meaning of Xmas is that it's the real New Year...not that arbitrary date set by us a few days later.

There is no real new year either , that date is also arbitrary x bearing in mind the above solstice and sun rebirth is only relevant to a small proportion of humans living above certain northern latitudes,

In Australia they show south as up x"

Good point... but I guess there's still an historical weight to it, seeing as it is a tradition which was likely to have been observed right back to early man, stonehenge, etc... although we can't be certain. I guess it's like time zones and greenwhich meantime i.e. it's got to start somewhere...otherwise there's no way of joining together to celebrate it lol

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I can never get enough of the baby cheeses.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Josephus + Tacitus- both Roman historians?"

I just wanted to thank you for reminding me about Tacitus. I think we can fairly discount Josephus' testimony now, as I suggested in my earlier post. As for Tacitus, the only other non-Christian to refer to Jesus' existence in the first 2 centuries, his comment is only a sentence long and is not imo an independent testimony of Jesus' historical existence but appears to me, instead, to merely be a description of what Christians believe i.e. that their founder was given the death penalty by Pontius Pilate, in the time of Tiberius. As there were unlikely to have been any Roman records of this event and as Jerusalem had been levelled inbetween his writing this and the events he described, he was more than likely taking it on some level of faith that this founder had existed...rather than anything we might today consider to be a reputable well researched account of history. Evidence of this lack of real research is found when he writes, earlier, the history of Tiberius' reign, in which he mentions nothing about Jesus. The author of Jesus Puzzle asks, therefore, whether this later reference to Jesus is yet another insertion by Christian scribes, who were the main people copying and ensuring the survival of these works, as with Josephus. I don't find that argument too compelling... but I also don't think Tacitus' single sentence is worth hanging any critical judgement on.

We have to remember here that what we're talking about is not an epic flood or someone being melted by a lazer gun, both things which have a measure of possibility to them, even if seen through a specific prism. We're talking about the God of the entire universe taking incarnation on Earth in a human form. Already the premise of that is implausible. We would need far better and firmer evidence of it to even start imagining it was possible... let alone plausible. Of course a Christian would disagree lol but that's the way I see it If God exists, and I believe God does exist, it seems that one shouldn't need to let go of one's logical critical faculties, to suspend one's disbelief, in order to come to that realisation. If God is real, as I believe, it is only a matter of time before science discovers this and, for me, those crazy microbes on that comet that we landed on, microbes which suggest that life on Earth came from somewhere deep in space, for me that points in that direction

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Christmas is allegedly where people who have been convinced enough to celebrate an arbitrary birth date of a mythical character so it has no real meaning unless you are Christian x "

Or muslim

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Josephus + Tacitus- both Roman historians?

I just wanted to thank you for reminding me about Tacitus. I think we can fairly discount Josephus' testimony now, as I suggested in my earlier post. As for Tacitus, the only other non-Christian to refer to Jesus' existence in the first 2 centuries, his comment is only a sentence long and is not imo an independent testimony of Jesus' historical existence but appears to me, instead, to merely be a description of what Christians believe i.e. that their founder was given the death penalty by Pontius Pilate, in the time of Tiberius. As there were unlikely to have been any Roman records of this event and as Jerusalem had been levelled inbetween his writing this and the events he described, he was more than likely taking it on some level of faith that this founder had existed...rather than anything we might today consider to be a reputable well researched account of history. Evidence of this lack of real research is found when he writes, earlier, the history of Tiberius' reign, in which he mentions nothing about Jesus. The author of Jesus Puzzle asks, therefore, whether this later reference to Jesus is yet another insertion by Christian scribes, who were the main people copying and ensuring the survival of these works, as with Josephus. I don't find that argument too compelling... but I also don't think Tacitus' single sentence is worth hanging any critical judgement on.

We have to remember here that what we're talking about is not an epic flood or someone being melted by a lazer gun, both things which have a measure of possibility to them, even if seen through a specific prism. We're talking about the God of the entire universe taking incarnation on Earth in a human form. Already the premise of that is implausible. We would need far better and firmer evidence of it to even start imagining it was possible... let alone plausible. Of course a Christian would disagree lol but that's the way I see it If God exists, and I believe God does exist, it seems that one shouldn't need to let go of one's logical critical faculties, to suspend one's disbelief, in order to come to that realisation. If God is real, as I believe, it is only a matter of time before science discovers this and, for me, those crazy microbes on that comet that we landed on, microbes which suggest that life on Earth came from somewhere deep in space, for me that points in that direction "

Agreed. That's pretty much what I believe (though I don't believe in a personal God)

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Christmas is allegedly where people who have been convinced enough to celebrate an arbitrary birth date of a mythical character so it has no real meaning unless you are Christian x

Or muslim"

or a hindu who accepts Jesus as an incarnation of Krishna; or a Buddhist who accepts Jesus as a Boddhisatva...

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I love to hear people discuss their religion and beliefs and am always very respectful to them but inside I do think how can anybody be so stupid and naive!

"

I know what you mean, I often think the same about atheism.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Religion and beliefs are what Is true and right for you . And different to others . I don't look down on others for there faith in things as its there choice .. I just have very strong family values myself. x

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I love to hear people discuss their religion and beliefs and am always very respectful to them but inside I do think how can anybody be so stupid and naive!

I know what you mean, I often think the same about atheism."

Most believers do but then they are the ones believing in invisible forces with no sensible evidence to back it up. Look up the definition of naive and see which one it fits better

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"Well, what does Christmas mean to you, OP?

Personally it's about celebrating the birth of jesus, but also its a time for giving. As each year that goes by am wondering if all people see is the commercial side to it. Even if your not religious Christmas should mean more then just *I got a new xbox* for Christmas. Time with family is important and also reflecting on those who will be alone or less fortunate then ourself's. "

But it isn't. It is about the celebration of the end of the season of death and the beginning of the new season of life. Do you think it is coincidence that the winter solstice and Christmas are just about the same time? The natural world trumps a fairy tale any time.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *couser83 OP   Man
over a year ago

Liverpool

Am surprised this post is still going after 4 days

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *adgodCouple
over a year ago

Greensburg


"Am surprised this post is still going after 4 days "

I am not. Most discussions seem to break down into religion or politics and then never end. Not so much on Fab, but online in general. While I guess that is somewhat natural, human nature and all, I feel it muddies the ability to discuss less polarizing things or have discussions without so many lines drawn in the sand, or worse, insulting the personal beliefs of others.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I love to hear people discuss their religion and beliefs and am always very respectful to them but inside I do think how can anybody be so stupid and naive!

I know what you mean, I often think the same about atheism.

Most believers do but then they are the ones believing in invisible forces with no sensible evidence to back it up. Look up the definition of naive and see which one it fits better "

Which would be great; only I'm not a religious believer.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull


"Well I won't be celebrating the fake birth of a fake son of god born from a fake virgin "

sounds like some of the fab profiles re the fake virgin

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nah I'll just be eating, drinking and opening presents. And watching a depressing episode of eastenders.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I love to hear people discuss their religion and beliefs and am always very respectful to them but inside I do think how can anybody be so stupid and naive!

I know what you mean, I often think the same about atheism.

Most believers do but then they are the ones believing in invisible forces with no sensible evidence to back it up. Look up the definition of naive and see which one it fits better

Which would be great; only I'm not a religious believer."

You believe in a deity, so while not a member of an organised religion your still a believer hence I didnt say "religious" believer

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *adgodCouple
over a year ago

Greensburg


"I love to hear people discuss their religion and beliefs and am always very respectful to them but inside I do think how can anybody be so stupid and naive!

I know what you mean, I often think the same about atheism.

Most believers do but then they are the ones believing in invisible forces with no sensible evidence to back it up. Look up the definition of naive and see which one it fits better

Which would be great; only I'm not a religious believer.

You believe in a deity, so while not a member of an organised religion your still a believer hence I didnt say "religious" believer "

I dont believe in a deity at all, but I get what he is saying. The only thing more arrogant than trying to tell me who god should be to me is to say that you know for certain, without any doubt, that there isn't one. Im not saying you shouldn't have that belief, I would actually share it with you, Im just saying you dont know for sure any more than the zealots do. There are so many possible explanations to life, if any of this is even real at all, and our knowledge and understanding of the forces of the universe are much too limited and constantly evolving, that there is no way that anyone knows for certain what there all is and what it is all about. Its good to back up and explain our personal _iews on life and death. It is terrible to tell people you _iew is so muchmore important than theirs that you could then dehumanize and insult them.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I liken God's existence to the tales sailors used to tell of distant lands. On the one hand you have people who believe that the sailors tales of dragons and monsters are as true as their tales of the lands they found... on the other hand you have people who think that none of it is true, that there were no monsters, and there were no distant lands. The truth, as we now know, was that the distant lands did in fact exist, whilst the monsters probably did not. The same is true of God's existence Most of the nonsense is just nonsense (i.e. the existence of Jesus) but the underlying fact is that the Universe is Alive and it is Aware i.e. it is God

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't believe in god or Jesus I think it's just a night time story for kids way back then "lack of other entertainment" that has been taken WAY out of control over the years, but considering that a few years ago scientists worked out that at that time the North Star over there would've been July & if Jesus really did exist his birthday wasn't December 25th, look it up,

If he was real here's my theory, Mary was a virgin but 1 night she let Joseph have a wank while lookin at her pussy Joseph blew his load on her pussy & that's how she got pregnant it's fuckin simple,

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

An RE teacher at school told us that it was customary to ensure a woman was pregnant before she married at that time. It wouldn't have been publicly acknowledged however hence the story of the virgin birth.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Christmas... the time of peace and goodwill to all mankind...

Live and kicking on the forums!!

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Christmas... the time of peace and goodwill to all mankind...

Live and kicking on the forums!!

"

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville


"Christmas... the time of peace and goodwill to all mankind...

Live and kicking on the forums!!

"
Hahahaha!

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I love to hear people discuss their religion and beliefs and am always very respectful to them but inside I do think how can anybody be so stupid and naive!

I know what you mean, I often think the same about atheism.

Most believers do but then they are the ones believing in invisible forces with no sensible evidence to back it up. Look up the definition of naive and see which one it fits better

Which would be great; only I'm not a religious believer.

You believe in a deity, so while not a member of an organised religion your still a believer hence I didnt say "religious" believer "

Ooh not quite!

That doesn't quite describe what I think-'belief' is probably not the right word and neither is 'deity'.

And no; that is not a matter of mere semantics.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield


"

2000 years ago a virgin was an unmarried women not a women who had not fucked. Mary and Joseph were not married there for Mary was a virgin. That did not mean Joseph had not fucked her. Its amazing what you find out when you study without bias or religious blinkers "

2000 years ago there was no such thing as a virgin as the English language had not been invented.

The new testament was written in Hellenistic or Koine Greek possibly using translated Hebrew texts.

The word used to describe Mary actually translates as “young woman” not virgin, seems a Scottish education does pay dividends after all.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" But whatever I believe, I have no right to say someone else's belief is rubbish.... As it's their belief not mine...

Totally agree with this!! "

Very well said. Unfortunately not many believe in respect, live and let live. I am not Christian. I am facinated with religions and cultures but I dont agree when ppl get to the stage of cheap offensive insults to a different bellief of theirs.

Regarding the OP's question. Its quite not simple to tell what the real meaning of Christmas. You can claim its about Jesus. Practically its about business and giving a temp smile for kids making them believe in something that you dont believe yourself, only to discover at a later age that Santa is a lie. Which is deceitfull and not the right way to raise kids in my opinion. Also in A Christian way of looking at it. Making kids pray to Santa is Idolatery and breach of the first and second commandments of the bible. My other point about it is that Chrismas has a pagan origins just like Easter and Halloween. Santa is a pagan God and son of the Sun God: Thamuz. Which was born on the 25th of december. Jesus was born in the summer. The church adobted it and changed its name just as they adobted many many celebrations, traditions, culture and even beliefs from the pre-Christianity pagan faiths that were practiced in Europe at the time. They did this to make the transition from paganism to christianity easier, more appealing and acceptable and it worked. However this was at the cost of losing the original true teachings of Jesus Christ. Easter or Eshtar is the pagan Godess also known as the mother of God. The wife of Baal. The Sun God. The worship day was on Sunday where its name still represents the Sun God. The biblical day of worship is Sabath (Saturday). You can even see where the trinity came from. God of the bible is one and only and Jesus is his servant.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 10/12/14 11:15:36]

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The reason it is called Faith, is unlike science/logic/maths - you cant prove the proposition. thats the point of miracles, to help advertise the religion.

So, irrespective of what your belief is- it will always be a faith/belief cos we dont have definitive proof.

would be interesting to hear those with a faith address the main problems.

eg natural disasters + catastrophic evil.

fire away team

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The reason it is called Faith, is unlike science/logic/maths - you cant prove the proposition. thats the point of miracles, to help advertise the religion.

So, irrespective of what your belief is- it will always be a faith/belief cos we dont have definitive proof.

would be interesting to hear those with a faith address the main problems.

eg natural disasters + catastrophic evil.

fire away team"

The 'problem of evil' has always struck me as a logical fallacy.

The argument usually goes something like 'if God allows wars, famine and illness and all these bad things to happen, then he either does not care, is evil (in which case he is 'not worthy of being worshipped') or he does not exist.

The problem with this line of reasoning is:

i.If God is indifferent to the fate of humans (which is pretty much what I believe) that does not make him/she/it irrelevant. I would still want to know if it existed or not.

ii.If God is malevolent, and we could prove both his existence and this aspect of his character, that does not make him 'unworthy of worship'; in fact quite the opposite. A God who was all-powerful but malevolent would be the source of all morality by virtue of his omnipotence. So to claim moral superiority over such a God would be foolish: if God was all powerful (and I don't believe he is) but malevolent, or even just indifferent, I would not mess with that God, and it would be sheer human arrogance to presume moral superiority over such a God. Personally, I don't think God is the source of all morality nor do I think morality has anything to do with God and I think morality is a purely human concern.

iii. There is absolutely nothing about this line of argument to prove via logic that a God does not exist. All it does is make it pretty unlikely that there is an all-powerful God who loves us and cares about us. But it proves absolutely nothing about whether a malevolent or indifferent God exists, and personally, far from leading me to the conclusion that there is no God, the problem of evil and suffering only reinforces my suspicion that there is a God. It is precisely because these things happen that leads me to suspect there is an intelligence behind the universe.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland


"Just wondering since the big day is nearly here, who will be celebrating Christmas by remembering what it's about. "

As an aithest so it's a grind from mid November to January

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The reason it is called Faith, is unlike science/logic/maths - you cant prove the proposition. thats the point of miracles, to help advertise the religion.

So, irrespective of what your belief is- it will always be a faith/belief cos we dont have definitive proof.

would be interesting to hear those with a faith address the main problems.

eg natural disasters + catastrophic evil.

fire away team

The 'problem of evil' has always struck me as a logical fallacy.

The argument usually goes something like 'if God allows wars, famine and illness and all these bad things to happen, then he either does not care, is evil (in which case he is 'not worthy of being worshipped') or he does not exist.

The problem with this line of reasoning is:

i.If God is indifferent to the fate of humans (which is pretty much what I believe) that does not make him/she/it irrelevant. I would still want to know if it existed or not.

ii.If God is malevolent, and we could prove both his existence and this aspect of his character, that does not make him 'unworthy of worship'; in fact quite the opposite. A God who was all-powerful but malevolent would be the source of all morality by virtue of his omnipotence. So to claim moral superiority over such a God would be foolish: if God was all powerful (and I don't believe he is) but malevolent, or even just indifferent, I would not mess with that God, and it would be sheer human arrogance to presume moral superiority over such a God. Personally, I don't think God is the source of all morality nor do I think morality has anything to do with God and I think morality is a purely human concern.

iii. There is absolutely nothing about this line of argument to prove via logic that a God does not exist. All it does is make it pretty unlikely that there is an all-powerful God who loves us and cares about us. But it proves absolutely nothing about whether a malevolent or indifferent God exists, and personally, far from leading me to the conclusion that there is no God, the problem of evil and suffering only reinforces my suspicion that there is a God. It is precisely because these things happen that leads me to suspect there is an intelligence behind the universe."

My own way of rationalising this argument is that the distinction between good and evil is completely man made. One person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. In any situation there are winners and loosers. When a dearly beloved gets run over by a truck we loose but the earth worms that get to eat their dead body win. God is the conductor of the entire show of life. If God was to favor one species over another that, itself, would be evil. Instead things come and things go. We look upon acts which are beneficial to us and call it good and look upon acts which are detrimental and call them evil... but they are neither. It is just a small minded human-centric way of looking at life.

I have experience of a personal God so this is where you and I differ. My rationalisation for this is that God loves us each equally, cares for us each equally. So even though I do believe in a personal God, I also understand that this God has a bigger perspective on everything than I do and this God sees more than I can see... so I trust my God... even though evil, in my eyes, persists

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am not Christian.

...

God of the bible is one and only and Jesus is his servant. "

Hmmm How do you square those two statements? lol

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am not Christian.

...

God of the bible is one and only and Jesus is his servant.

Hmmm How do you square those two statements? lol "

Your question is not clear to me if you can elaborate

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am not Christian.

...

God of the bible is one and only and Jesus is his servant.

Hmmm How do you square those two statements? lol

Your question is not clear to me if you can elaborate "

I was just puzzled because you say you are not a Christian and then you write that last sentence. Perhaps I read it wrong? It just sounded weird so I wanted to know why you said both of those things... as they seem to contradict each other

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *aughtyNurse999Woman
over a year ago

Fabville !!!

I dread xmas coming round..dad died boxing day 2010 we nursed him at home ..had cancer and suffered..it is a very painfull time .brings it all back

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its about money making isn't it or it seems that way these days.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am not Christian.

...

God of the bible is one and only and Jesus is his servant.

Hmmm How do you square those two statements? lol

Your question is not clear to me if you can elaborate

I was just puzzled because you say you are not a Christian and then you write that last sentence. Perhaps I read it wrong? It just sounded weird so I wanted to know why you said both of those things... as they seem to contradict each other "

Ah ok lol. You dont have to be Christian to have some or even many common beliefs with Christians. There r other faiths that share more than you might think with Christianity

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *carineMan
over a year ago

Armthorpe, Doncaster

I like to celebrate Christmas by using a paintball gun loaded with red paint on the local sparrows to give them that `xmas robin redbreast` look...

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The 'problem of evil' has always struck me as a logical fallacy.

The argument usually goes something like 'if God allows wars, famine and illness and all these bad things to happen, then he either does not care, is evil (in which case he is 'not worthy of being worshipped') or he does not exist.

The problem with this line of reasoning is:

i.If God is indifferent to the fate of humans (which is pretty much what I believe) that does not make him/she/it irrelevant. I would still want to know if it existed or not.

ii.If God is malevolent, and we could prove both his existence and this aspect of his character, that does not make him 'unworthy of worship'; in fact quite the opposite. A God who was all-powerful but malevolent would be the source of all morality by virtue of his omnipotence. So to claim moral superiority over such a God would be foolish: if God was all powerful (and I don't believe he is) but malevolent, or even just indifferent, I would not mess with that God, and it would be sheer human arrogance to presume moral superiority over such a God. Personally, I don't think God is the source of all morality nor do I think morality has anything to do with God and I think morality is a purely human concern.

iii. There is absolutely nothing about this line of argument to prove via logic that a God does not exist. All it does is make it pretty unlikely that there is an all-powerful God who loves us and cares about us. But it proves absolutely nothing about whether a malevolent or indifferent God exists, and personally, far from leading me to the conclusion that there is no God, the problem of evil and suffering only reinforces my suspicion that there is a God. It is precisely because these things happen that leads me to suspect there is an intelligence behind the universe."

All fair comment jay- but if I can separate a few things here.

Your belief in an indifferent God is your choice,so yes- its a logical fallacy to your point of _iew.

Most faiths I know of, don't believe their God to be indifferent or malevolent.

Maybe the Buddha is Indifferent I don't know?

So the problem of natural disasters/evil/unnecessary suffering remains the biggest conceptual problem for those faiths which paint God as a benevolent all powerful, all seeing being.

Re your last point. Of course that's right. If logic can't prove God exists, it can't prove the negative either

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But I'm not referring at all to my own belief system-it is a logical fallacy full stop; that's my point: that argument is often cited as a reason that God does not exist-and there is absolutely nothing in that line of reasoning that would prove a God does not exist in pure logical terms, it just makes it less likely that said God is all-loving and all-powerful, not that one does not exist.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But I'm not referring at all to my own belief system-it is a logical fallacy full stop; that's my point: that argument is often cited as a reason that God does not exist-and there is absolutely nothing in that line of reasoning that would prove a God does not exist in pure logical terms, it just makes it less likely that said God is all-loving and all-powerful, not that one does not exist."

thats right.

that particular argument (evil etc) is generally put forward to refute a certain proposition. + only that proposition. god of a certain nature (caring). eg the god of thomas aquinas.

not the proposition youre referring to.

it wouldnt really make much sense in that respect. cos the god you describe is of a different nature.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
Post new Message to Thread
back to top