FabSwingers.com forum: DPF & EGR delete

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Anybody had this done? and how much did it cost?

Spent Saturday getting prices for it doing on an Audi A3 and the range of prices was huge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't even know what that means let alone how much it should cost

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

I just disabled my EGR - took about 5 min, then there are much reduced particulates so DPF doesn't get clogged. I'm sure there will be loads of posts online about the the best way to do it for your engine

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Work done to remove the diesel particle filter and exhaust gas resuscitation valve.

Had quotes between £300 to £1000

A good job isn't cheap put over paying isn't fun either

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I just disabled my EGR - took about 5 min, then there are much reduced particulates so DPF doesn't get clogged. I'm sure there will be loads of posts online about the the best way to do it for your engine"

DPF has collapsed, cars in limp mode and dashboard lit up like a Christmas tree.

Had a laptop plugged into it and only came back with the DPF fault code. The car isn't mine just trying to help my brother out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anybody had this done? and how much did it cost?

Spent Saturday getting prices for it doing on an Audi A3 and the range of prices was huge.

dpf on my mazda 6 was £400. and that was from a friend not a garage.. not cheap as they have to remap computer but worth it.unless its blocked just rag it on motorway in 3rd gear for few miles that will clear it.

I learnt the hard way.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Around £500-£600 is looking likely

Quoted £1000 to sort it and put a new DPF in, but no need for that nonsense

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What do you think this is..TOP GEAR??..

Do I look like Clarkson to you?....

Do I?...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been having problems with the pipe that runs from one of my exhaust headers (oops, sorry, we call them manifolds over here, lol) to the EGR valve.

Basically, when I swapped the headers for performance items, the EGR outlet wasn't quite in exactly the same place as stock.

Had some issues getting it to seal properly, until I then noticed that in all the tweaking I was trying to do, a fatigue crack had developed.

Have tried replacing the pipe, but can't get the original OEM item (My car was built in 1996) as it's no longer produced, so I have had to improvise.

Had some more difficulties, so have removed the pipe and blocked off the holes, but left the valve itself in situ - otherwise the PCM throws a code if it can't operate the valve.

Unfortunately, I am occasionally getting a P0401 code (Insufficient flow), so it looks like I need to find a fix for the pipe again.

Fortunately, I have a code reader, so clearing the code isn't a problem.

My code reader can read the Powertrain codes from any vehicle worldwide that complies to OBD2 (or EOBD2)

In Europe this applies to any petrol vehicle from 1st Jan 2001 and any Diesel from 1st Jan 2003.

My car, built for the US market, was the first year of OBD2 in the states.

I can only read Airbag or ABS codes for USA vehicles at present, but I am looking to download firmware to allow me to include European and Japanese vehicles.

For some reason though, French vehicles are separate - and my device only has sufficient memory / storage for 3 of the 4 available modules.

I'm not going to be bothering with French.

Then again, for my own purposes, it suits my needs for now and the future as I will be sticking to US imports - but it's nice to be able to help friends out.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

not sure how the egr works on audis but often the valve is controled by a vacuum. pull the little pipe off the vacuum pump (possibly located on the end of the cylinder head. and seal the pipe (a round nail and a jubilee clip will do). the egr stays shut and is thus disabled. check out some audi owners forums and type disable egr into their search box.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You need to be aware that the EGR system forms part of Emission control and as such, if the PCM detects a fault it will illuminate the MIL (Malfunction Indicator Lamp) which is a MoT failure.

It may be possible to 'program out' the EGR - but this will cost £££'s - if you can find somewhere that can do it.

Essentially, the EGR valve is designed to feed exhaust gases into the combustion chamber which results in a slight drop in engine temperature - which in turn, results in lower emissions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had an EGR DPF manifest RGG but the RSW was of the QSR type and the manifest WHDC caused XTE syndrome. You should have seen the engineer's face. LJU he said. At which point I knew to replace the GVCB outlet and tighten the DEK. Know what I mean?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

With a 998cc Yaris, I don't think I've ever had this issue....

and on that bombshell

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"You need to be aware that the EGR system forms part of Emission control and as such, if the PCM detects a fault it will illuminate the MIL (Malfunction Indicator Lamp) which is a MoT failure.

It may be possible to 'program out' the EGR - but this will cost £££'s - if you can find somewhere that can do it.

Essentially, the EGR valve is designed to feed exhaust gases into the combustion chamber which results in a slight drop in engine temperature - which in turn, results in lower emissions."

what i metioned won't suit all cars, especially the more sensors they have. it does work on older peugeots though. not sure about new ones. a mate had a ldv diesel van (silly idea i know). he had a problem with the ecu and countless other bits of brain. all the local garages were quoting stupid amounts to replace eveything. we had a go at dropping the engine out and removed everything that wasn't engine, re-calibrated the injector pump. being diesel it worked. the mot guy was ok about removing it all, his angle was if something is fitted it has to work, if it's not fitted then it doesn't need to be tested.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I had an EGR DPF manifest RGG but the RSW was of the QSR type and the manifest WHDC caused XTE syndrome. You should have seen the engineer's face. LJU he said. At which point I knew to replace the GVCB outlet and tighten the DEK. Know what I mean?"

im not surprised he had an odd look on his face

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

"You need to be aware that the EGR system forms part of Emission control and as such, if the PCM detects a fault it will illuminate the MIL (Malfunction Indicator Lamp) which is a MoT failure.

It may be possible to 'program out' the EGR - but this will cost £££'s - if you can find somewhere that can do it.

Essentially, the EGR valve is designed to feed exhaust gases into the combustion chamber which results in a slight drop in engine temperature - which in turn, results in lower emissions."

I'm only familiar with it on diesel engines. By leaking some exhaust gasses into the inlet fuel/air mix, it displaces oxygen, resulting in a lower combustion temperature, which produces lower NOx emissions. However, it increases the amount of particulates (soot), hence the need for a DPF.

In the UK, the MOT emissions test is only for opacity, not NOx and thus the EGR is superfluous. In fact, deleting it in software or manually disabling it, improves mpg, bhp, torque and reduces particulates. Thus helping you pass the MOT and it doesn't clog your DPF.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"what i metioned won't suit all cars, especially the more sensors they have. it does work on older peugeots though. not sure about new ones. "

I understood what you meant

I was just trying to add to the information you posted.

You're right also on your point on not testing components that aren't fitted.

Then again, I had an issue with my ABS last year - well, pretty much the whole time i've had the car - but it was never a problem until dashboard warning lights came under the test.

Can't exactly remove all the ABS components from my car - for example, the front wheel sensors are part of a sealed wheel hub assembly - and ABS was standard fit on my car.

But, as my ABS light goes out as it should after start up it's not a problem. That it comes on again over 5mph is not an issue for the MoT

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"You need to be aware that the EGR system forms part of Emission control and as such, if the PCM detects a fault it will illuminate the MIL (Malfunction Indicator Lamp) which is a MoT failure.

It may be possible to 'program out' the EGR - but this will cost £££'s - if you can find somewhere that can do it.

Essentially, the EGR valve is designed to feed exhaust gases into the combustion chamber which results in a slight drop in engine temperature - which in turn, results in lower emissions.

my 206D went like shit off a shovel after i disabled it. and the economy was better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my 206D went like shit off a shovel after i disabled it. and the economy was better.

Hmm. Wondering if I should replace my 3.8 litre Petrol engine with a Diesel now, rather than upgrade to that 5.7 litre V8 that i've been after

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"my 206D went like shit off a shovel after i disabled it. and the economy was better.

Hmm. Wondering if I should replace my 3.8 litre Petrol engine with a Diesel now, rather than upgrade to that 5.7 litre V8 that i've been after

You don't need anything bigger than a 2.0 or a 1.3.......depending who you ask

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By *ammerandthongsCouple
over a year ago

Limerick

"Anybody had this done? and how much did it cost?

Spent Saturday getting prices for it doing on an Audi A3 and the range of prices was huge.

Why do you want it done. Are you remapping

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

DPF has collapsed, cars in limp mode and dashboard lit up like a Christmas tree.

Had a laptop plugged into it and only came back with the DPF fault code. The car isn't mine just trying to help my brother out"

Back to the op though, the first thing I'd do is remove and clean the EGR, as I understand it, on diesels at least, it's the single most frequent cause of these symptoms.

Not sure what you mean by DPF collapsed, if it's physically damaged then it will have to be replaced or bypassed. If it's just clogged, a forced re-gen might sort it, but first you have to get the engine running properly, and when fully warmed up, drive for 20 min or so on the motorway at around 4k rpm.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Anybody had this done? and how much did it cost?

Spent Saturday getting prices for it doing on an Audi A3 and the range of prices was huge.

Why do you want it done. Are you remapping"

It's already mapped but pretty sure the DPF has collapsed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

im not surprised he had an odd look on his face"

My mate Jeremy took one look and sad WTF you've gone and installed a KKSG. I just laughed. Not everyone has a diesiel RTVW to activate their SWRY, do they? Thinking of upgrading my Citroen 2CV next. What do you reckon, fellow petrolheads? Worth investing in a nut clock to the inverted catalyst heads?

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By *reddieRaeCouple
over a year ago

Banbridge

Not sure about the mainland, but this is becoming an MOT failure soon in Norn Iron. I know we have a slightly different system, but might be worth double checking for any planned changes.

To be fair, if you're getting DPF/egr issues, chances are you're not doing the mileage to see the benifit of a diesel, and may actually be a bit better off with a petrol motor.

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By *ingle Beds LassWoman
over a year ago

Bedfordshire

My DPF had to be replaced on my polo earlier this year, cost a smidge under £300. Have been told to red line it for a few miles which should blow away all the crap if light comes on again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if your car is fitted with a dpf you cannot remove them as they are part of the requirements to pass the mot .ppl were having them removed then erasing them from the ecu.the same go's for the catalytic converter

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

Where's Mr Who when you need him?

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"my 206D went like shit off a shovel after i disabled it. and the economy was better.

Hmm. Wondering if I should replace my 3.8 litre Petrol engine with a Diesel now, rather than upgrade to that 5.7 litre V8 that i've been after

it wouldn't be so scarey watching the fuel gauge visibly dropping as it would be feeling the wallet in your arse pocket getting thinner as you drive

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By *ammerandthongsCouple
over a year ago

Limerick

"Not sure about the mainland, but this is becoming an MOT failure soon in Norn Iron. I know we have a slightly different system, but might be worth double checking for any planned changes.

To be fair, if you're getting DPF/egr issues, chances are you're not doing the mileage to see the benifit of a diesel, and may actually be a bit better off with a petrol motor. "

This is true. It will be failure all over soon. If you EGR clean and do the mileage as said above all should be hunky dory with modern diesels

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

"Where's Mr Who when you need him?"

It's ok, I've activated the alert.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if your car is fitted with a dpf you cannot remove them as they are part of the requirements to pass the mot .ppl were having them removed then erasing them from the ecu.the same go's for the catalytic converter"

Quite. They are fitted for a reason.

Type approval and Emissions regulations.

Emissions tests on MoT's depends on the year of manufacture, and is therefore more strict on newer vehicles.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yes it's required for the MOT but I know plenty of places that will overlook it, so it's not a problem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my 206D went like shit off a shovel after i disabled it. and the economy was better.

Hmm. Wondering if I should replace my 3.8 litre Petrol engine with a Diesel now, rather than upgrade to that 5.7 litre V8 that i've been after

it wouldn't be so scarey watching the fuel gauge visibly dropping as it would be feeling the wallet in your arse pocket getting thinner as you drive

Depends on how you drive it.

My car can return a reasonable MPG if driven right. Not bad for a car that's nearly 19 years old.

The added bonus is I get far more Smiles per gallon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cheers Topsy.

Unfortunately for the OP deleting the DPF is now illegal and any tuners found carrying out the work are being heavily fined, the car also won't pass the MOT with it missing.

Deleting the EGR is a great idea and really improves reliability and helps the turbo spin up earlier, it also improves the emissions.

There's two types, vacuum and electronic.

Vacuum types can be disabled by disconnecting the vacuum feed and fitting a blanking plate. Electronic valves require a tuber to delete them from the ECU map. It should cost around £150-£200 depending on the car and where you go.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It's certainly illegal but pretty much everywhere we tried were willing to remove it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You need to be aware that the EGR system forms part of Emission control and as such, if the PCM detects a fault it will illuminate the MIL (Malfunction Indicator Lamp) which is a MoT failure.

It may be possible to 'program out' the EGR - but this will cost £££'s - if you can find somewhere that can do it.

Essentially, the EGR valve is designed to feed exhaust gases into the combustion chamber which results in a slight drop in engine temperature - which in turn, results in lower emissions.

This is pretty much bang on.

EGR valves are pretty pointless and affect reliability in a huge way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's certainly illegal but pretty much everywhere we tried were willing to remove it "

Well go for it if you can. Make sure you also fit a cored (emoty) DPF in place of your old one as they're visually inspected at MOT time.

Are you certain yours has collapsed it could just want a regen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

that wasnt all over my head as W used to have a focus that had this problem - car used to lose power -

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It's certainly illegal but pretty much everywhere we tried were willing to remove it

Well go for it if you can. Make sure you also fit a cored (emoty) DPF in place of your old one as they're visually inspected at MOT time.

Are you certain yours has collapsed it could just want a regen."

Tried the regen and it didn't work

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

Just read that from Feb 2014, DPF check will now be a part of the MOT - so any deleted, bypassed ones will be a failure

(assuming they check proprerly, though how they would check if you've just hollowed out the DPF and deleted it from the ECU?)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What garages and dealers won't tell you is that the EGR valve is often not broken, it just requires cleaning. But it's just a 10 minute joband requires nothing more than a squirt of carb cleaner and a spanner. They just love charging you £150 for a new part when the old one could just have been cleaned...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's certainly illegal but pretty much everywhere we tried were willing to remove it

Well go for it if you can. Make sure you also fit a cored (emoty) DPF in place of your old one as they're visually inspected at MOT time.

Are you certain yours has collapsed it could just want a regen."

if its in limp mode its passed the regen stage i had mine go on a mk4 mondeo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just read that from Feb 2014, DPF check will now be a part of the MOT - so any deleted, bypassed ones will be a failure

(assuming they check proprerly, though how they would check if you've just hollowed out the DPF and deleted it from the ECU?)"

See my post above.

It's simply a visual inspection so if your DPF has been cored it will pass. Tuners are being heavily fined if they're caught deleting the software and generic maps are no longer available unless the tuner writes their own....

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By *ammerandthongsCouple
over a year ago

Limerick

"What garages and dealers won't tell you is that the EGR valve is often not broken, it just requires cleaning. But it's just a 10 minute joband requires nothing more than a squirt of carb cleaner and a spanner. They just love charging you £150 for a new part when the old one could just have been cleaned... "

I clean mine every couple of years and replace gaskets. Amount of dirt build up is amazing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's certainly illegal but pretty much everywhere we tried were willing to remove it

Well go for it if you can. Make sure you also fit a cored (emoty) DPF in place of your old one as they're visually inspected at MOT time.

Are you certain yours has collapsed it could just want a regen.

if its in limp mode its passed the regen stage i had mine go on a mk4 mondeo

Not always. It will need the revs holding at 3k rpm for a good 20+ minutes to do it and there will be clouds of smoke.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I clean mine every couple of years and replace gaskets. Amount of dirt build up is amazing. "

I do mine along with the MAP sensor (which is something people always seem to miss) every oil change, which is every 6 months

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By *ammerandthongsCouple
over a year ago

Limerick

I clean mine every couple of years and replace gaskets. Amount of dirt build up is amazing.

I do mine along with the MAP sensor (which is something people always seem to miss) every oil change, which is every 6 months"

I'm too lazy for every 6 months.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You need to be aware that the EGR system forms part of Emission control and as such, if the PCM detects a fault it will illuminate the MIL (Malfunction Indicator Lamp) which is a MoT failure.

It may be possible to 'program out' the EGR - but this will cost £££'s - if you can find somewhere that can do it.

Essentially, the EGR valve is designed to feed exhaust gases into the combustion chamber which results in a slight drop in engine temperature - which in turn, results in lower emissions."
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Your right and I'm pretty sure the rules change next spring and it's fairly stringent on egr pdf with big fines for there removal or not working so I'd double check with your mot station before doing any work.

Technically there doing you on tax avoidance as your road tax is cheap for those vehicles because the egr and PDF takes out so the nasty stuff, if they find them removed they back tax you for excise duty plus a 1000£ fine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just read that from Feb 2014, DPF check will now be a part of the MOT - so any deleted, bypassed ones will be a failure

(assuming they check proprerly, though how they would check if you've just hollowed out the DPF and deleted it from the ECU?)

See my post above.

I'm sure I read in my mot station that they check the dpf is in the engine management still and that it's in place.... I'm not absolutely sure but I'm thinking I read it's a 1000£ fine plus the car will not be returned until it's refitted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's certainly illegal but pretty much everywhere we tried were willing to remove it

Well go for it if you can. Make sure you also fit a cored (emoty) DPF in place of your old one as they're visually inspected at MOT time.

Are you certain yours has collapsed it could just want a regen.

if its in limp mode its passed the regen stage i had mine go on a mk4 mondeo

Not always. It will need the revs holding at 3k rpm for a good 20+ minutes to do it and there will be clouds of smoke."

yeh the rac bloke told me to drive down the mi in low gears to heat the dpf and burn the dirt out of it but alas it was too far gone and had to be replaced

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just read that from Feb 2014, DPF check will now be a part of the MOT - so any deleted, bypassed ones will be a failure

(assuming they check proprerly, though how they would check if you've just hollowed out the DPF and deleted it from the ECU?)

See my post above.

Sorry but you're mistaken. They don't connect to the ECU to check the DPF. It's a visual only inspection specified in the MOT testers handbook. Most garages charge £30-£70 (even more at a dealers) to run a simple 1-minute diagnostic, they're not going to plug into the same port and scan the ECU for signs of tampering as part of the MOT for no extra charge....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just read that from Feb 2014, DPF check will now be a part of the MOT - so any deleted, bypassed ones will be a failure

(assuming they check proprerly, though how they would check if you've just hollowed out the DPF and deleted it from the ECU?)

See my post above.

No sorry I'm mixing my words.

I thought the new change involved lighting all the warning lights on the dash and then they all have to go out , if any remain on its a failure, now I'm not positive but I do seem to remember having the conversation with my mot guy last time I was in.

So my point was if you removed it from the ECU would the light on the day light with the that test?.

Like I said it was only a conversation with my mot guy that started with egr valves as I'd blanked mine off with a plate!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just read that from Feb 2014, DPF check will now be a part of the MOT - so any deleted, bypassed ones will be a failure

(assuming they check proprerly, though how they would check if you've just hollowed out the DPF and deleted it from the ECU?)

See my post above.

No sorry I'm mixing my words.

So my point was if you removed it from the ECU would the light on the day light with the that test?.

Like I said it was only a conversation with my mot guy that started with egr valves as I'd blanked mine off with a plate!"

It's only an advisory in that case. The only time it will fail is if the warning light for the DPF stays illuminated, same for the ABS and airbag lights. The engine management light is only an advisory and usually the EGR valve is covered by the management light not the emissions light because it's conected to the inlet manifold....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mines to old for an engine management light lol.(18 year old vw van).

I just got sick of the egr sucking in crap so I blanked it.

Runs alot better without it and I think probably a little more frugal

Although to be honest I'm running mine on homemade diesel, so I upped my injectors and pump o rings last year and have just put myself a preheater on so hoping to give it a whirl on 90/10 mix of cooking oil(recycled) and petrol.. Only slight problem is it still whiffs of fish and chips while idling

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it def labelling it as dpf fault or does it come up saying anti pollutant fault? Only saying as I recently had troubles with my fathers citroen c5 saying anti poluttant fault and I went round the houses finding the cause I instantly thought dpf as he only does short trips drives like his age and never gets it hot so I stripped the dpf off and pressure washed it out after a soak in petrol. Absolutely tonnes of gunk came out so out it back in and all seemed well for about a week! Went back and spent a very cold evening replacing the egr valve which was an absolute mission on this particular engine which again seemed to cure the fault but only for a week . I only changed the egr as a friend with a code reader said this was at fault! So then I poked about abit trying different things for a week or two whilst I was waiting for my own code reader to turn up any how when it did it came up with a fault for the throttle body motor being low resistance .... Turns out I think the seals around the butterfly shaft had failed and oil/other crap had got into the motor and caused the fault all along which is something that no Internet forum I had searched had ever even hinted as a possible cause. I'm only saying this as an anti pollutant fault is commonly first associated with dpf /egr but in truth it covers just about every part of the engine efficiency system.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I feel thick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Made my own blanking gaskets out of cooper plate. No more egr, no more problems!

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over a year ago

"Is it def labelling it as dpf fault or does it come up saying anti pollutant fault? Only saying as I recently had troubles with my fathers citroen c5 saying anti poluttant fault and I went round the houses finding the cause I instantly thought dpf as he only does short trips drives like his age and never gets it hot so I stripped the dpf off and pressure washed it out after a soak in petrol. Absolutely tonnes of gunk came out so out it back in and all seemed well for about a week! Went back and spent a very cold evening replacing the egr valve which was an absolute mission on this particular engine which again seemed to cure the fault but only for a week . I only changed the egr as a friend with a code reader said this was at fault! So then I poked about abit trying different things for a week or two whilst I was waiting for my own code reader to turn up any how when it did it came up with a fault for the throttle body motor being low resistance .... Turns out I think the seals around the butterfly shaft had failed and oil/other crap had got into the motor and caused the fault all along which is something that no Internet forum I had searched had ever even hinted as a possible cause. I'm only saying this as an anti pollutant fault is commonly first associated with dpf /egr but in truth it covers just about every part of the engine efficiency system."
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I fucking hate Citroen's with a passion....

No word of a lie it took me 4hrs on a friends to change.....

The headlamp bulbs...

All I can say is the phrase "the fucking French twats" was repeated more than once

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over a year ago

"Made my own blanking gaskets out of cooper plate. No more egr, no more problems!

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.Yep that's what I did too

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By *ipsTeaserCouple
over a year ago

here and there, thereabouts

I removed the egr pipe from our mondeo tdci and the turbo hated it. Wouldn't spill and no power. Using an egr blank plate now on the inlet manifold side and noticed a little more smoke when first reversing. Would do a full remove with a remap. No dpf to worry about on mine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where's Mr Who when you need him?"
He,s either on stage or in outer orbit checking up on the outer terestials..

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By *carineMan
over a year ago

Armthorpe, Doncaster

Cello is an abbreviation for violoncello(not violincello). Some basses have a fifth string tuned to the B or C below the bottom E.

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over a year ago

I fucking hate Citroen's with a passion....

No word of a lie it took me 4hrs on a friends to change.....

The headlamp bulbs...

All I can say is the phrase "the fucking French twats" was repeated more than once

Join the club I would never have one but my dad loves them and i can't get through to him how renowned they are for faults ESP of the electrical kind no matter how many internet reviews I show him!!! I have now told him if he buys another which he is indeed looking for I am in no way what so ever getting under the bonnet as its his own bloody fault!!!

To be honest I was trying to get him to buy an a6 estate and when I went to show him they're reliabilty score they were horrendous as in the chart was that 100 was average anything more was bad anything less meant good the citroen c5 scored 150 and the A6 scored 468!!!! I quickly closed the Internet page down before he made me eat my words for the rest of time!!!

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over a year ago

Yeah I'm not a big believer in one manufacturer being more reliable than another, certain models yeah.

I brake down my experience as such.

French diesel engines.. great

French petrol engine... Rubbish

German diesels engines.. great

German electrics .. Overly complicated.

French electrics..

Vauxhalls good engines.. Bad cars

Ford's shit engines.. Good cars

Old BMW engines... Lovely

Mercedes.. I'm not so keen on.

Japanese... I never did due to being boring cars.

Vw...I like.. Alot

New cars not so much!!! Grrr

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over a year ago

"Yeah I'm not a big believer in one manufacturer being more reliable than another, certain models yeah.

I brake down my experience as such.

French diesel engines.. great

French petrol engine... Rubbish

German diesels engines.. great

German electrics .. Overly complicated.

French electrics..

Vauxhalls good engines.. Bad cars

Ford's shit engines.. Good cars

Old BMW engines... Lovely

Mercedes.. I'm not so keen on.

Japanese... I never did due to being boring cars.

Vw...I like.. Alot

New cars not so much!!! Grrr"

Agree with a fair bit of that! Had my share of vw my old corrado vr I loved !! Disagree with the jap as I also loved my old Lexus IS until I killed the box in it

And now I'm driving a volvo sleeper which is always fun

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over a year ago

"Yeah I'm not a big believer in one manufacturer being more reliable than another, certain models yeah.

I brake down my experience as such.

French diesel engines.. great

French petrol engine... Rubbish

German diesels engines.. great

German electrics .. Overly complicated.

French electrics..

Vauxhalls good engines.. Bad cars

Ford's shit engines.. Good cars

Old BMW engines... Lovely

Mercedes.. I'm not so keen on.

Japanese... I never did due to being boring cars.

Vw...I like.. Alot

New cars not so much!!! Grrr

Agree with a fair bit of that! Had my share of vw my old corrado vr I loved !! Disagree with the jap as I also loved my old Lexus IS until I killed the box in it

And now I'm driving a volvo sleeper which is always fun

"
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I always found Japanese (the old stuff) to be really a thing you could grasp there philosophy with.

Like warning signs slapped in the middle of the dash, air pressure tyre information labeled clearly, square Dash's.. It's always function over form with everything like the only thing that matters is that it works really well (and it did) and it always me feel like everything you worked on required small hands lol.. I like jap stuff mechanically... It's just that beige dash mentality if you know what I mean

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over a year ago

I've got 62 Haynes manuals but I've owned the same car vehicle for 18 years!.

I think I'm alone in my fetish for Haynes manuals

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over a year ago

"Yeah I'm not a big believer in one manufacturer being more reliable than another, certain models yeah.

I brake down my experience as such.

French diesel engines.. great

French petrol engine... Rubbish

German diesels engines.. great

German electrics .. Overly complicated.

French electrics..

Vauxhalls good engines.. Bad cars

Ford's shit engines.. Good cars

Old BMW engines... Lovely

Mercedes.. I'm not so keen on.

Japanese... I never did due to being boring cars.

Vw...I like.. Alot

New cars not so much!!! Grrr

Agree with a fair bit of that! Had my share of vw my old corrado vr I loved !! Disagree with the jap as I also loved my old Lexus IS until I killed the box in it

And now I'm driving a volvo sleeper which is always fun

I always found Japanese (the old stuff) to be really a thing you could grasp there philosophy with.

To be fair everything always worked and functioned and every switch was where you wanted it , lexus did break they're mold with the IS as well and I wanted one as soon as I saw one. It gathering moss in my garden now the bloody box went and I spent the sat before fitting a new cam belt !! Typical!

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over a year ago

"I've got 62 Haynes manuals but I've owned the same car vehicle for 18 years!.

I think I'm alone in my fetish for Haynes manuals

My volvo Haynes manual is really annoying me seems to go into great detail showing me the obvious and then skips over the bit I need all the info on!!

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over a year ago

"Yeah I'm not a big believer in one manufacturer being more reliable than another, certain models yeah.

I brake down my experience as such.

French diesel engines.. great

French petrol engine... Rubbish

German diesels engines.. great

German electrics .. Overly complicated.

French electrics..

Vauxhalls good engines.. Bad cars

Ford's shit engines.. Good cars

Old BMW engines... Lovely

Mercedes.. I'm not so keen on.

Japanese... I never did due to being boring cars.

Vw...I like.. Alot

New cars not so much!!! Grrr

Agree with a fair bit of that! Had my share of vw my old corrado vr I loved !! Disagree with the jap as I also loved my old Lexus IS until I killed the box in it

And now I'm driving a volvo sleeper which is always fun

I always found Japanese (the old stuff) to be really a thing you could grasp there philosophy with.

"
.Lol

Been there...

I've got a 1976 2.0st Toyota celica sat in my shed that I bought for 150£ off a mate in the pub in 1996....

To be fair I've read the Haynes manual for it several times but have yet to make a start

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over a year ago

"Yeah I'm not a big believer in one manufacturer being more reliable than another, certain models yeah.

I brake down my experience as such.

French diesel engines.. great

French petrol engine... Rubbish

German diesels engines.. great

German electrics .. Overly complicated.

French electrics..

Vauxhalls good engines.. Bad cars

Ford's shit engines.. Good cars

Old BMW engines... Lovely

Mercedes.. I'm not so keen on.

Japanese... I never did due to being boring cars.

Vw...I like.. Alot

New cars not so much!!! Grrr

Agree with a fair bit of that! Had my share of vw my old corrado vr I loved !! Disagree with the jap as I also loved my old Lexus IS until I killed the box in it

And now I'm driving a volvo sleeper which is always fun

I always found Japanese (the old stuff) to be really a thing you could grasp there philosophy with.

.Lol

Been there...

I've got a 1976 2.0st Toyota celica sat in my shed that I bought for 150£ off a mate in the pub in 1996....

To be fair I've read the Haynes manual for it several times but have yet to make a start

Holy shit a 76 celica!??! That car has an awesome shape !!! I would love one ! You are gonna need to read it one more time and set aside a few months of your life I reckon!!

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over a year ago

"I've got 62 Haynes manuals but I've owned the same car vehicle for 18 years!.

I think I'm alone in my fetish for Haynes manuals

My volvo Haynes manual is really annoying me seems to go into great detail showing me the obvious and then skips over the bit I need all the info on!!

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Ah the new Haynes are terrible,the pictures are either to close or too far away, no detail or two much detail... And those spanner ratings... This is a 3 spanner job..I don't even know two other spanners to give me a lift

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over a year ago

"Yeah I'm not a big believer in one manufacturer being more reliable than another, certain models yeah.

I brake down my experience as such.

French diesel engines.. great

French petrol engine... Rubbish

German diesels engines.. great

German electrics .. Overly complicated.

French electrics..

Vauxhalls good engines.. Bad cars

Ford's shit engines.. Good cars

Old BMW engines... Lovely

Mercedes.. I'm not so keen on.

Japanese... I never did due to being boring cars.

Vw...I like.. Alot

New cars not so much!!! Grrr

Agree with a fair bit of that! Had my share of vw my old corrado vr I loved !! Disagree with the jap as I also loved my old Lexus IS until I killed the box in it

And now I'm driving a volvo sleeper which is always fun

I always found Japanese (the old stuff) to be really a thing you could grasp there philosophy with.

.Lol

Been there...

I've got a 1976 2.0st Toyota celica sat in my shed that I bought for 150£ off a mate in the pub in 1996....

To be fair I've read the Haynes manual for it several times but have yet to make a start

Holy shit a 76 celica!??! That car has an awesome shape !!! I would love one ! You are gonna need to read it one more time and set aside a few months of your life I reckon!!

"
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Its totally gorgeous... Like a jap ford mustang... Or it will be when I've finished.

To be fair I did most of the welding and bodywork.. Ohhh six years ago.. Repainted it in black from its original red... But need to get all the original chrome bumpers and mirrors sent off for re plating so it's been sat waiting patiently for me to get my finger out.

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over a year ago

"Yeah I'm not a big believer in one manufacturer being more reliable than another, certain models yeah.

I brake down my experience as such.

French diesel engines.. great

French petrol engine... Rubbish

German diesels engines.. great

German electrics .. Overly complicated.

French electrics..

Vauxhalls good engines.. Bad cars

Ford's shit engines.. Good cars

Old BMW engines... Lovely

Mercedes.. I'm not so keen on.

Japanese... I never did due to being boring cars.

Vw...I like.. Alot

New cars not so much!!! Grrr

Agree with a fair bit of that! Had my share of vw my old corrado vr I loved !! Disagree with the jap as I also loved my old Lexus IS until I killed the box in it

And now I'm driving a volvo sleeper which is always fun

I always found Japanese (the old stuff) to be really a thing you could grasp there philosophy with.

.Lol

Been there...

I've got a 1976 2.0st Toyota celica sat in my shed that I bought for 150£ off a mate in the pub in 1996....

To be fair I've read the Haynes manual for it several times but have yet to make a start

Holy shit a 76 celica!??! That car has an awesome shape !!! I would love one ! You are gonna need to read it one more time and set aside a few months of your life I reckon!!

Its totally gorgeous... Like a jap ford mustang... Or it will be when I've finished.

I've never seen one in the flesh must be really thin on the ground now ! Awesome!

On the other end of the age spectrum I did a track day in a new nissan GTR that thing was unbelievable but every felt like it wasn't connected to you . .. Would still have one mind!!

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over a year ago

"Yeah I'm not a big believer in one manufacturer being more reliable than another, certain models yeah.

I brake down my experience as such.

French diesel engines.. great

French petrol engine... Rubbish

German diesels engines.. great

German electrics .. Overly complicated.

French electrics..

Vauxhalls good engines.. Bad cars

Ford's shit engines.. Good cars

Old BMW engines... Lovely

Mercedes.. I'm not so keen on.

Japanese... I never did due to being boring cars.

Vw...I like.. Alot

New cars not so much!!! Grrr

Agree with a fair bit of that! Had my share of vw my old corrado vr I loved !! Disagree with the jap as I also loved my old Lexus IS until I killed the box in it

And now I'm driving a volvo sleeper which is always fun

I always found Japanese (the old stuff) to be really a thing you could grasp there philosophy with.

.Lol

Been there...

I've got a 1976 2.0st Toyota celica sat in my shed that I bought for 150£ off a mate in the pub in 1996....

To be fair I've read the Haynes manual for it several times but have yet to make a start

Holy shit a 76 celica!??! That car has an awesome shape !!! I would love one ! You are gonna need to read it one more time and set aside a few months of your life I reckon!!

Its totally gorgeous... Like a jap ford mustang... Or it will be when I've finished.

I've never seen one in the flesh must be really thin on the ground now ! Awesome!

On the other end of the age spectrum I did a track day in a new nissan GTR that thing was unbelievable but every felt like it wasn't connected to you . .. Would still have one mind!! "
.. Yeah I'm out waiting the competition lol.

I know what you mean, for me it's the BMW z8,I think I'll die a disillusioned man if I never get to drive one, although I don't think I'd be happy just driving it, I'd probably need to wash it polish it, pop the bonnet and fiddle with bits, maybe take the wheels off and fuck about with the brakes too lol.

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over a year ago

Sounds like my exes Renault Megane. That had a reoccurring EGR fault that couldn't seem to fix. The valve was working fine and I'd checked the wiring and all was well. Many hours were spent with a multimeter checking earths and positive/negative feeds. I eventually traced the issue to.....

The aircon pressure sensor!

Yup a faulty aircon sensor was causing an EGR fault and was causing a misfire......bloody French cars...

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