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"Nope.. I Think fuck off and hog the bumper of the car in front.. same at roadworks - people fly past for half a mile and expect to get let in.. "I think you'll find that, for road works, you are meant to let them in. If they wanted the lane closed 1/2 mile before it is they would close it 1/2 mile before it is. Everyone queuing in 1 lane when 2 are open is making a longer traffic jam where one does not have to be. In some countries you can get fined for doing what you suggest. | |||
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"I just drive as usual, my main objective being to get home safely. I do quite a lot of motorway miles and see some appalling driving. If there's a complete wanker around, I'd rather they were ahead of me where I can keep an eye on them rather than battling with them for a piece of road." 
Agree with the sentiment but I always thing if the nutter is behind then, when he causes an accident, I won't be behind and so won't be involved. | |||
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"I just drive as usual, my main objective being to get home safely. I do quite a lot of motorway miles and see some appalling driving. If there's a complete wanker around, I'd rather they were ahead of me where I can keep an eye on them rather than battling with them for a piece of road.
Agree with the sentiment but I always thing if the nutter is behind then, when he causes an accident, I won't be behind and so won't be involved. "So you do Agree - Don't let the Nutters who wait for the Last Yard of Tarmac.. In Front of you.. | |||
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"The two into one at roadworks is a pain. If you get over early, you queue as others carry on in the closing lane and push in. If you carry on in the closing lane, you invoke the ire of other road users, and I always feel a bit guilty whenever I've done it. I like what the truck drivers do and block the closing lane, but keep pace with the main lane, so as to create a rolling road block. Then everyone gets a more equitable place in the queue and both lanes move at the same pace. I do it sometimes, but was told off by a police officer for doing it - but then he put his blues on and pushed in at the front. He wasn't on a shout, as he turned the blues off and didn't use the hard shoulder. A police sergeant I know says he does the rolling road block thing all the time and that the jumped up constable who ticked me off, would have got short shrift from him." Interesting isn't it? I too always feel pissed off at the queue jumpers ... But as a previous poster said, the official advice runs contrary to this. Is it because we are generally a nation of polite queuers? Are we on the whole too prissy? Audi drivers aside, of course.  | |||
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"I just drive as usual, my main objective being to get home safely. I do quite a lot of motorway miles and see some appalling driving. If there's a complete wanker around, I'd rather they were ahead of me where I can keep an eye on them rather than battling with them for a piece of road.
Agree with the sentiment but I always thing if the nutter is behind then, when he causes an accident, I won't be behind and so won't be involved.
So you do Agree - Don't let the Nutters who wait for the Last Yard of Tarmac.. In Front of you.. "The main problem with filtering into one lane from two is that people go into one lane too early, and then feel aggrieved that others won't. If everyone slowed down and let one person in from the closed lane, traffic would continue to move at a steady pace. As for those who block a lane by sitting on the white line, they could be done for driving without due care and attention. | |||
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"I just drive as usual, my main objective being to get home safely. I do quite a lot of motorway miles and see some appalling driving. If there's a complete wanker around, I'd rather they were ahead of me where I can keep an eye on them rather than battling with them for a piece of road.
Agree with the sentiment but I always thing if the nutter is behind then, when he causes an accident, I won't be behind and so won't be involved.
So you do Agree - Don't let the Nutters who wait for the Last Yard of Tarmac.. In Front of you..
The main problem with filtering into one lane from two is that people go into one lane too early, and then feel aggrieved that others won't. If everyone slowed down and let one person in from the closed lane, traffic would continue to move at a steady pace. As for those who block a lane by sitting on the white line, they could be done for driving without due care and attention. "Yeah a car a Time - and I Always Let a Car in to be Honest.. its the bugger Behind him that tries to take Advantage as Well the annoys me.. | |||
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" As for those who block a lane by sitting on the white line, they could be done for driving without due care and attention. " You don't have to straddle a lane, you just drive alongside the queue in the other lane, keeping pace with it. Usually, the person alongside you, or the one behind them, twigs what you're doing and lets you in when you need to pull over. | |||
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"I loath tailgaters and twats that keep changing lanes on the motorway and those that expect to be let in when lane are coned off, and traffic is queuing. " But that's what you supposed to do. Your meant to use ALL the lanes till the lane is closed. Like I said before, If they wanted it closed 1/2 mile before where they have closed then they would close it 1/2 a mile sooner. It's stupid, daft and dangerous to deliberately cause a tail back twice as long as is necessary. "Merge In Turn" is a sign you often see in the US and it's what meant to happen here to. | |||
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" As for those who block a lane by sitting on the white line, they could be done for driving without due care and attention. You don't have to straddle a lane, you just drive alongside the queue in the other lane, keeping pace with it. Usually, the person alongside you, or the one behind them, twigs what you're doing and lets you in when you need to pull over." The Highway Code rule 134 states, “Merging in turn is recommended but only if safe and appropriate when vehicles are travelling at a very low speed' Lorry drivers, or any other driver, acting like nightclub doormen are neither needed nor welcome on our roads. They just make congestion worse by denying other road users the right to safely use a clear section of carriageway. It is not ‘pushing in’ or ‘cutting in’, it is merging in turn as recommended by the Highway Code. | |||
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"Traveling along motorways, as you do, and you get into a queue or slow moving traffic. Do or would you let another car change lane, purely becouse they wanted to change lane to what they think us a faster moving lane, thus slowing down "your" lane? " I allow anyone in who want's to get in. It's dangerous not to. If drivers leave a sensible space it's easy to allow people in. Those that don't let people because they think the road is theirs are the ones that contribute to accident and death. It's always better to arrive five minutes later than die. I usually smile at people who push in. In my eyes they are terrified toddlers who want to grab things before any other toddler. They must be so stressed out ! | |||
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"Much better when two lorries close off the three lanes.. and slow it down.. !! They can usually see further than most car drivers and reduce the risk of people who should have left home five minutes earlier.. "It's got nothing to do with having left home in time or not and everything to do with driving in the safest way possible and following the Highway Code. Merge In Turn AT the road works not 1/2 mile before | |||
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As for lane changers, depends what mood I'm in to be fair. One more car ahead of me won't make much difference but if I think they are being a twat I will try to not let them in. | |||
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"I just drive as usual, my main objective being to get home safely. I do quite a lot of motorway miles and see some appalling driving. If there's a complete wanker around, I'd rather they were ahead of me where I can keep an eye on them rather than battling with them for a piece of road.
Agree with the sentiment but I always thing if the nutter is behind then, when he causes an accident, I won't be behind and so won't be involved.
So you do Agree - Don't let the Nutters who wait for the Last Yard of Tarmac.. In Front of you..
The main problem with filtering into one lane from two is that people go into one lane too early, and then feel aggrieved that others won't. If everyone slowed down and let one person in from the closed lane, traffic would continue to move at a steady pace. As for those who block a lane by sitting on the white line, they could be done for driving without due care and attention.
Yeah a car a Time - and I Always Let a Car in to be Honest.. its the bugger Behind him that tries to take Advantage as Well the annoys me.. "In that case the 'bugger behind you'(lucky guy) is in the wrong because he's not 'Merging-in=turn' | |||
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"Much better when two lorries close off the three lanes.. and slow it down.. !! They can usually see further than most car drivers and reduce the risk of people who should have left home five minutes earlier..
It's got nothing to do with having left home in time or not and everything to do with driving in the safest way possible and following the Highway Code.
Merge In Turn AT the road works not 1/2 mile before"Merging at the front or ten miles back has no effect on how fast traffic gets through road works!. Merging at any point smoothly with as little breaking as possible will speed up the traffic. The point at which you do this has no bearing at all. | |||
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"Much better when two lorries close off the three lanes.. and slow it down.. !! They can usually see further than most car drivers and reduce the risk of people who should have left home five minutes earlier..
It's got nothing to do with having left home in time or not and everything to do with driving in the safest way possible and following the Highway Code.
Merge In Turn AT the road works not 1/2 mile before
Merging at the front or ten miles back has no effect on how fast traffic gets through road works!.
Merging at any point smoothly with as little breaking as possible will speed up the traffic.
The point at which you do this has no bearing at all."Correct. But straddling a lane to block cars using clear highway is idiotic and dangerous. Filtering works - if people use common sense. A | |||
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"Nope.. I Think fuck off and hog the bumper of the car in front.. same at roadworks - people fly past for half a mile and expect to get let in..
I think you'll find that, for road works, you are meant to let them in. If they wanted the lane closed 1/2 mile before it is they would close it 1/2 mile before it is. Everyone queuing in 1 lane when 2 are open is making a longer traffic jam where one does not have to be. In some countries you can get fined for doing what you suggest."The highway code changed a little while back. It used to be that you were expected to move across when the signs first warn of the closure. Now you are supposed to use all lanes up to the closure and merge using the zipper method. As you point out it reduces the length of the tail back. | |||
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"Much better when two lorries close off the three lanes.. and slow it down.. !! They can usually see further than most car drivers and reduce the risk of people who should have left home five minutes earlier..
It's got nothing to do with having left home in time or not and everything to do with driving in the safest way possible and following the Highway Code.
Merge In Turn AT the road works not 1/2 mile before
Merging at the front or ten miles back has no effect on how fast traffic gets through road works!.
Merging at any point smoothly with as little breaking as possible will speed up the traffic.
The point at which you do this has no bearing at all."Of course it has an effect. the road that is closed of the more congestion it's going to create. If you effectively close the road of 10 miles (or even more realistically 1/2 a mile) before it is required your just creating more congestion. If your argument was true then why not just build 1 lane motorways and every one could just merge in when they join. | |||
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"Traveling along motorways, as you do, and you get into a queue or slow moving traffic. Do or would you let another car change lane, purely becouse they wanted to change lane to what they think us a faster moving lane, thus slowing down "your" lane? " . I usually let them in as aggressive driving is a sign of immaturity..As I usually leave a significant gap between myself and the car in front , motorists often use it to change lane anyway. I am only concerned with being a safe driver , not whether someone will gain an advantage by changing lane . Doing an advancing driving course and test was one of the most usefull courses I ever went on. It is the only way of obtaining an objective view of your standard of driving. | |||
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"Nope.. I Think fuck off and hog the bumper of the car in front.. same at roadworks - people fly past for half a mile and expect to get let in.. "It does annoy me when they go right up to where their lane stops, and they expect to be let in. In response to the OP, I let sone people in and some I don't. Not based on anything, just one of those things. | |||
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"Much better when two lorries close off the three lanes.. and slow it down.. !! They can usually see further than most car drivers and reduce the risk of people who should have left home five minutes earlier..
It's got nothing to do with having left home in time or not and everything to do with driving in the safest way possible and following the Highway Code.
Merge In Turn AT the road works not 1/2 mile before
Merging at the front or ten miles back has no effect on how fast traffic gets through road works!.
Merging at any point smoothly with as little breaking as possible will speed up the traffic.
The point at which you do this has no bearing at all.
Of course it has an effect. the road that is closed of the more congestion it's going to create. If you effectively close the road of 10 miles (or even more realistically 1/2 a mile) before it is required your just creating more congestion. If your argument was true then why not just build 1 lane motorways and every one could just merge in when they join.".Because 3 lane motorways hold more traffic same as two lanes hold more than 1 which is why you get congestion when you close a lane, you've reduced the amount of traffic which can travel down the road | |||
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"Much better when two lorries close off the three lanes.. and slow it down.. !! They can usually see further than most car drivers and reduce the risk of people who should have left home five minutes earlier..
It's got nothing to do with having left home in time or not and everything to do with driving in the safest way possible and following the Highway Code.
Merge In Turn AT the road works not 1/2 mile before
Merging at the front or ten miles back has no effect on how fast traffic gets through road works!.
Merging at any point smoothly with as little breaking as possible will speed up the traffic.
The point at which you do this has no bearing at all.
Of course it has an effect. the road that is closed of the more congestion it's going to create. If you effectively close the road of 10 miles (or even more realistically 1/2 a mile) before it is required your just creating more congestion. If your argument was true then why not just build 1 lane motorways and every one could just merge in when they join..Because 3 lane motorways hold more traffic same as two lanes hold more than 1 which is why you get congestion when you close a lane, you've reduced the amount of traffic which can travel down the road"That's my point and why ALL lanes should be used in the run-up to road works until the actual lane is closed then, in accordance with the Highway Code, you should Merge-In-Turn | |||
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" It does annoy me when they go right up to where their lane stops, and they expect to be let in. " It may annoy you but it should not. They are doing the correct thing in accordance to the Highway Code whilst you, my moving into the lane that will remain open too soon, are needlessly causing more congestion than is necessary and increasing the danger to both yourself and other road user. The lane is open till it's actually closed. It's no more 'pushing-in' than any other form of overtaking. That's the law and the Highway Code. Merge-In-Turn AT the road works " I was told a nasty trick to play on bumper huggers, if your vehicle is taller than theirs or they can't see past you. When approaching an obstacle or closed lane in front of, leave it till late to change lanes. The idiot behind you will have to be quick to stop hitting the obstacle. Remember that next time you think about hogging someone's bumper." And if you do do that and it is discovered and proved that you deliberately tried to cause another motorist to have an accident you would definitely, and rightly, be prosecuted, fined and quite possibly banned. Although I to do find tail gates very bloody annoying so I understand the feelings there. | |||
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" It does annoy me when they go right up to where their lane stops, and they expect to be let in. It may annoy you but it should not. They are doing the correct thing in accordance to the Highway Code whilst you, my moving into the lane that will remain open too soon, are needlessly causing more congestion than is necessary and increasing the danger to both yourself and other road user. The lane is open till it's actually closed. It's no more 'pushing-in' than any other form of overtaking. That's the law and the Highway Code. Merge-In-Turn AT the road works I was told a nasty trick to play on bumper huggers, if your vehicle is taller than theirs or they can't see past you. When approaching an obstacle or closed lane in front of, leave it till late to change lanes. The idiot behind you will have to be quick to stop hitting the obstacle. Remember that next time you think about hogging someone's bumper. And if you do do that and it is discovered and proved that you deliberately tried to cause another motorist to have an accident you would definitely, and rightly, be prosecuted, fined and quite possibly banned. Although I to do find tail gates very bloody annoying so I understand the feelings there." Not tried it, but it was told to me by a haulage driver. | |||
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" As for those who block a lane by sitting on the white line, they could be done for driving without due care and attention. You don't have to straddle a lane, you just drive alongside the queue in the other lane, keeping pace with it. Usually, the person alongside you, or the one behind them, twigs what you're doing and lets you in when you need to pull over." i've seen this in action and done it myself having seen the results . If you look at why the queue grinds to a halt. . It's because the cars at the very front are all having to break to let those pushing in get into the single lane . 30 cars even just having to slow right down one by one causes a ripple which eventually stops the queue. If traffic merged just as it does when all lanes are clear . . There would still be a queue, but it would keep moving . If you see someone block the clear lane. . When they've got to the front. . Look at the traffic behind it. You'll see it move much more steadily | |||
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"Ok, we'll all choose to follow whichever guidelines we choose and ignore those we don't like - that should work" I thought that is what most people do anyway, until they get stopped by the police. | |||
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" It does annoy me when they go right up to where their lane stops, and they expect to be let in. It may annoy you but it should not. They are doing the correct thing in accordance to the Highway Code whilst you, my moving into the lane that will remain open too soon, are needlessly causing more congestion than is necessary and increasing the danger to both yourself and other road user. The lane is open till it's actually closed. It's no more 'pushing-in' than any other form of overtaking. That's the law and the Highway Code. Merge-In-Turn AT the road works I was told a nasty trick to play on bumper huggers, if your vehicle is taller than theirs or they can't see past you. When approaching an obstacle or closed lane in front of, leave it till late to change lanes. The idiot behind you will have to be quick to stop hitting the obstacle. Remember that next time you think about hogging someone's bumper. And if you do do that and it is discovered and proved that you deliberately tried to cause another motorist to have an accident you would definitely, and rightly, be prosecuted, fined and quite possibly banned. Although I to do find tail gates very bloody annoying so I understand the feelings there." I have seen this happen on a motorway, the traffic suddenly stopped in front a car. He swerved onto the hard shoulder to avoid a crash, the car behind wasn't so lucky. | |||
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" As for those who block a lane by sitting on the white line, they could be done for driving without due care and attention. You don't have to straddle a lane, you just drive alongside the queue in the other lane, keeping pace with it. Usually, the person alongside you, or the one behind them, twigs what you're doing and lets you in when you need to pull over. i've seen this in action and done it myself having seen the results . If you look at why the queue grinds to a halt. . It's because the cars at the very front are all having to break to let those pushing in get into the single lane . 30 cars even just having to slow right down one by one causes a ripple which eventually stops the queue. If traffic merged just as it does when all lanes are clear . . There would still be a queue, but it would keep moving . If you see someone block the clear lane. . When they've got to the front. . Look at the traffic behind it. You'll see it move much more steadily " Total rubbish. Totally illegal and I hope you get a very heavy fine for dangerous driving. YOU are putting yours and everyone else's life in needless danger. READ the Highway Code. It's not about what you think is right it's about following the highway code. | |||
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"Just because some bright spark has made a rule does not mean its the best thing to do, it is quite obvious that if you get to one spot and half the drivers have to stop it is going to cause a bigger hold up, much better to have merged in before when traffic is flowing steadily that way things will flow much better, not to mention the waste of fuel of people speeding up and then slowing down." Actually it does mean that in this case. The less of the road that is closed of the less congestion that is caused and the safer it is for every one. Read back through the read for how much more dangerous it is for every one to queue in one lane when more are available. It's really very simple. Use ALL lanes in the run up to the Road works then Merge-In-Turn at the road works. And the real cause of the congestion is those idiots who have endangered their own lives already by sitting in a long queue unnecessarily, not letting those who are acting correctly and in accordance with the Highway code, into the open lane once at the road works. Merge-in-turn at the roadworks. It's clear, It's simple and it means what it says. | |||
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"The highway code isn't a legal document it's a guide. The highway code is taking about flowing traffic, most people on here are taking about traffic queuing to get through and having wankers razz up the fast lane and try and barge in. This doesn't reduce the queue as all that happens is the queue has to move back one to let the selfish wankers in. I for one will continue to obstruct the impatient twats "And I for 1 hope you get the heavy fine you will be due for dangerous driving. | |||
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"The highway code isn't a legal document it's a guide. The highway code is taking about flowing traffic, most people on here are taking about traffic queuing to get through and having wankers razz up the fast lane and try and barge in. This doesn't reduce the queue as all that happens is the queue has to move back one to let the selfish wankers in. I for one will continue to obstruct the impatient twats
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"The highway code isn't a legal document it's a guide. The highway code is taking about flowing traffic, most people on here are taking about traffic queuing to get through and having wankers razz up the fast lane and try and barge in. This doesn't reduce the queue as all that happens is the queue has to move back one to let the selfish wankers in. I for one will continue to obstruct the impatient twats "Actually no. When traffic is moving freely you are meant to move into the lane remaining open as soon as safely possible. It is only when traffic is queuing that you should use ALL lanes in the run up to the road works and then Merge-In-Turn | |||
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"The highway code isn't a legal document it's a guide. The highway code is taking about flowing traffic, most people on here are taking about traffic queuing to get through and having wankers razz up the fast lane and try and barge in. This doesn't reduce the queue as all that happens is the queue has to move back one to let the selfish wankers in. I for one will continue to obstruct the impatient twats
And I for 1 hope you get the heavy fine you will be due for dangerous driving..
I won't though will i "And you'll still be wrong, just like usual.
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"The two into one at roadworks is a pain. If you get over early, you queue as others carry on in the closing lane and push in. If you carry on in the closing lane, you invoke the ire of other road users, and I always feel a bit guilty whenever I've done it. I like what the truck drivers do and block the closing lane, but keep pace with the main lane, so as to create a rolling road block. Then everyone gets a more equitable place in the queue and both lanes move at the same pace. " Perfect example of a total prick behind the wheel 
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"So the real wankers are those who have not looked at the highway code since the day they past their test and think they have some God given right to police and bully other drivers into driving in the same unsafe, dangerous and idiotic way they do. " . 26 years driving(15000 miles per annum)never had an accident or a fine or a speeding ticket. Have a bike licence and a car licence. I must be doing something right!. I've even got a tv licence  | |||
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"The two into one at roadworks is a pain. If you get over early, you queue as others carry on in the closing lane and push in. If you carry on in the closing lane, you invoke the ire of other road users, and I always feel a bit guilty whenever I've done it. I like what the truck drivers do and block the closing lane, but keep pace with the main lane, so as to create a rolling road block. Then everyone gets a more equitable place in the queue and both lanes move at the same pace. Perfect example of a total prick behind the wheel
If theres 2 lanes to use then 2 lanes are meant to be used until the end, it's not pushing in, it's using your fucking common sense "wrong . . Look in the mirror if you want to see a bad driver . People like you cause the queue . I bet you try and get as far as poss then barge in. Causing drivers to slow for you. . And every car behind them. | |||
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"So the real wankers are those who have not looked at the highway code since the day they past their test and think they have some God given right to police and bully other drivers into driving in the same unsafe, dangerous and idiotic way they do. . 26 years driving(15000 miles per annum)never had an accident or a fine or a speeding ticket. Have a bike licence and a car licence. I must be doing something right!. I've even got a tv licence "next time i'm an a traffic queue. . I'll look for you driving your TV. . Heh | |||
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"I was told a nasty trick to play on bumper huggers, if your vehicle is taller than theirs or they can't see past you. When approaching an obstacle or closed lane in front of, leave it till late to change lanes. The idiot behind you will have to be quick to stop hitting the obstacle. Remember that next time you think about hogging someone's bumper." You would actually, purposefully do that? Shame on you. | |||
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"The two into one at roadworks is a pain. If you get over early, you queue as others carry on in the closing lane and push in. If you carry on in the closing lane, you invoke the ire of other road users, and I always feel a bit guilty whenever I've done it. I like what the truck drivers do and block the closing lane, but keep pace with the main lane, so as to create a rolling road block. Then everyone gets a more equitable place in the queue and both lanes move at the same pace. Perfect example of a total prick behind the wheel
If theres 2 lanes to use then 2 lanes are meant to be used until the end, it's not pushing in, it's using your fucking common sense wrong . . Look in the mirror if you want to see a bad driver . People like you cause the queue . I bet you try and get as far as poss then barge in. Causing drivers to slow for you. . And every car behind them. "Why don't you read the Highway code and stop trying to force your bad, dangerous and idiotic driving style on everyone else. The highway code is clear. Use ALL lanes in the run-up to the road works then Merge -in-turn at the road works. It's simple, it's clear and it means what it says. Or are you road bullies so caught up in your own pig headed self righteousness that you've lost the ability to read. Before you come back with another comment go read the full thread. Then read the highway code and tell us where it says everyone should sit and queue in one lane when two are available. Stop trying to bully other people into following your bad habits. | |||
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"That is not because the cars are going slower but the cars are bunching up to stop people filtering in. If space is left between you and the person in front people can filter in without there being a need to slow" . If you leave space and a car fills it then you have to break to gain that said space again and then another car fills that space and you brake again etc etc and that's why you get the ripple backwards. | |||
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"The two into one at roadworks is a pain. If you get over early, you queue as others carry on in the closing lane and push in. If you carry on in the closing lane, you invoke the ire of other road users, and I always feel a bit guilty whenever I've done it. I like what the truck drivers do and block the closing lane, but keep pace with the main lane, so as to create a rolling road block. Then everyone gets a more equitable place in the queue and both lanes move at the same pace. Perfect example of a total prick behind the wheel
If theres 2 lanes to use then 2 lanes are meant to be used until the end, it's not pushing in, it's using your fucking common sense wrong . . Look in the mirror if you want to see a bad driver . People like you cause the queue . I bet you try and get as far as poss then barge in. Causing drivers to slow for you. . And every car behind them.
Why don't you read the Highway code and stop trying to force your bad, dangerous and idiotic driving style on everyone else. The highway code is clear.
Use ALL lanes in the run-up to the road works then Merge -in-turn at the road works.
It's simple, it's clear and it means what it says.
Or are you road bullies so caught up in your own pig headed self righteousness that you've lost the ability to read.
Before you come back with another comment go read the full thread. Then read the highway code and tell us where it says everyone should sit and queue in one lane when two are available.
Stop trying to bully other people into following your bad habits.". Because the highway code is a guide... Merging in turn is a guide.... It's not law | |||
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"The two into one at roadworks is a pain. If you get over early, you queue as others carry on in the closing lane and push in. If you carry on in the closing lane, you invoke the ire of other road users, and I always feel a bit guilty whenever I've done it. I like what the truck drivers do and block the closing lane, but keep pace with the main lane, so as to create a rolling road block. Then everyone gets a more equitable place in the queue and both lanes move at the same pace. Perfect example of a total prick behind the wheel
If theres 2 lanes to use then 2 lanes are meant to be used until the end, it's not pushing in, it's using your fucking common sense wrong . . Look in the mirror if you want to see a bad driver . People like you cause the queue . I bet you try and get as far as poss then barge in. Causing drivers to slow for you. . And every car behind them.
Why don't you read the Highway code and stop trying to force your bad, dangerous and idiotic driving style on everyone else. The highway code is clear.
Use ALL lanes in the run-up to the road works then Merge -in-turn at the road works.
It's simple, it's clear and it means what it says.
Or are you road bullies so caught up in your own pig headed self righteousness that you've lost the ability to read.
Before you come back with another comment go read the full thread. Then read the highway code and tell us where it says everyone should sit and queue in one lane when two are available.
Stop trying to bully other people into following your bad habits..
Because the highway code is a guide... Merging in turn is a guide.... It's not law"Yer, it's a guide that tells you how to drive safely and correctly. Therefore, if you're not driving in accordance with the Highway Code you're not driving as safely or as well as you should be. In other words you are driving dangerously. The guide (Highway code) is clear. Use ALL lanes in the run-up to the Roadworks then Merge-in-turn at the road works. It's simple, it's clear and it means what it says | |||
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"Unleashed Craken indeed. . Aggressive angry ranter. As i've said it's been proven in experiments . Highway code assumes every driver keeps the required distance from the car in front and that people never barge into that space because they lack skill of manners . I'll comment all i like thank you. See you at the next traffic jam ? " I'm an aggressive ranter because I'm pointing out what it says in the highway code, or is it more to do with the, so called, AlphaMale not really liking it when someone points out why he may be wrong and shows him the proof. The Highway Code rule 134 states, “Merging in turn is recommended but only if safe and appropriate when vehicles are travelling at a very low speed' I note you were unable to find were it says in the Highway code that every one should sit in a slow moving or stationary queue. I also note that, whilst taking about experiments that prove your stance, you have not given any references to these experiments for anyone to checkout for themselves. I'll leave it to others to decide whether the 'angry ranter' is the person who's saying 'Actually what I'm doing is what the Highway code recommends' or the person who's saying 'I don't care what anything else says, I know best. I'll do it my own way and I'm going to try and bully everyone else to do the same as well'. | |||
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"The two into one at roadworks is a pain. If you get over early, you queue as others carry on in the closing lane and push in. If you carry on in the closing lane, you invoke the ire of other road users, and I always feel a bit guilty whenever I've done it. I like what the truck drivers do and block the closing lane, but keep pace with the main lane, so as to create a rolling road block. Then everyone gets a more equitable place in the queue and both lanes move at the same pace. Perfect example of a total prick behind the wheel
If theres 2 lanes to use then 2 lanes are meant to be used until the end, it's not pushing in, it's using your fucking common sense wrong . . Look in the mirror if you want to see a bad driver . People like you cause the queue . I bet you try and get as far as poss then barge in. Causing drivers to slow for you. . And every car behind them.
Why don't you read the Highway code and stop trying to force your bad, dangerous and idiotic driving style on everyone else. The highway code is clear.
Use ALL lanes in the run-up to the road works then Merge -in-turn at the road works.
It's simple, it's clear and it means what it says.
Or are you road bullies so caught up in your own pig headed self righteousness that you've lost the ability to read.
Before you come back with another comment go read the full thread. Then read the highway code and tell us where it says everyone should sit and queue in one lane when two are available.
Stop trying to bully other people into following your bad habits..
Because the highway code is a guide... Merging in turn is a guide.... It's not law
Yer, it's a guide that tells you how to drive safely and correctly. Therefore, if you're not driving in accordance with the Highway Code you're not driving as safely or as well as you should be. In other words you are driving dangerously. The guide (Highway code) is clear.
Use ALL lanes in the run-up to the Roadworks then Merge-in-turn at the road works.
It's simple, it's clear and it means what it says". No it doesn't, it's a guide, it's not statutory or compulsory. The police could use it to build a case against dangerous driving but it's not dangerous driving perse. | |||
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"Well you've referred to 'pricks ' in your earlier posts . .not very charming is it . Plus i'm not saying the highway code doesn't state those things . But it's not the ideal world is it ? People bunch up for whatever reason. So it's not working is it ? I can't post up links using my phone as it's pretty basic. But it took about 4 seconds on google to look up case studies . My points have been reasonably put and well thought out. Ta " I referred to pricks and other such in reply to a post that said people doing the correct thing (using all lanes in the run-up to the road works then merging in turn) were pricks and wanckers. I simply said that they were the real pricks or wankers for not doing it correctly and not checking with the highway code. Actually the Merge-in-Turn system works pretty well for those that do it. It's those that are doing it incorrectly that are left sitting in a long, unnecessary queue. The only time it doesn't work well for those doing it correctly is when someone deliberately blocks the free lane. For further reference you can look at this link. https://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdot/MDOT_Research_Report_RC1500_Part1_209842_7.pdf This compares the Early Merge, Zipper and Late Merge (which is pretty much the same as the Zipper). Which clearly concludes in it's abstract the following:- When comparing the I-94 control(Edit: Early Merge) and test sites (Edit: Late Merge), the presence of the DLLMS (Dynamic Late Lane Merge System) improved the flow of traffic and increased the percentage of merging vehicles that merged at the taper. I would also draw your attention to Page 8 where it says Several other countries use a system that is similar to the ‘late’ lane merge system used in the United States. Germany, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom use a zipper merge system in highway work zones. If you want to continue to do the incorrect thing when approaching road works, by all means carry on, after all, the more of you who sit queuing in the one slow moving or stationary lane the clearer the other lanes are for those of us following the correct procedure as laid out in the highway code. But please stop trying to force those of us driving safely, correctly and in accordance with the Highway Code from following your bad habits. User ALL lanes in the run-up to the roadworks then Merge-In-Turn. It's simple, it's clear and it means what it says | |||
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"Every single queue i've seen like that doesn't work with late merging . The left hand lane is stationary and barely crawls . So you just stick to your way. . And i'll stick to mine . " It doesn't work for you because your doing it incorrectly. It works fine for me because I do it correctly and in accordance to the highway code. | |||
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"Nope. . It doesn't work for anyone i've seen because one person doing it correctly won't undo the effect of the tons that don't " It does if you're that one person. And I often am | |||
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"We've seen some terrible behaviour in clubs with guys not queuing nicely "I wouldn't mind merging in tern with you. | |||
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"Nope. . It doesn't work for anyone i've seen because one person doing it correctly won't undo the effect of the tons that don't It does if you're that one person. And I often am" same here | |||
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"Nope. . It doesn't work for anyone i've seen because one person doing it correctly won't undo the effect of the tons that don't It does if you're that one person. And I often am same here "Well at least we agree on something. LOL | |||
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"The highway code isn't a legal document it's a guide. The highway code is taking about flowing traffic, most people on here are taking about traffic queuing to get through and having wankers razz up the fast lane and try and barge in. This doesn't reduce the queue as all that happens is the queue has to move back one to let the selfish wankers in. I for one will continue to obstruct the impatient twats "According to Wikipedia, the Highway Code is a legal document. As it sets out the rules, as well as guidelines for road users to follow when out on the road. | |||
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"The two into one at roadworks is a pain. If you get over early, you queue as others carry on in the closing lane and push in. If you carry on in the closing lane, you invoke the ire of other road users, and I always feel a bit guilty whenever I've done it. I like what the truck drivers do and block the closing lane, but keep pace with the main lane, so as to create a rolling road block. Then everyone gets a more equitable place in the queue and both lanes move at the same pace. Perfect example of a total prick behind the wheel
If theres 2 lanes to use then 2 lanes are meant to be used until the end, it's not pushing in, it's using your fucking common sense wrong . . Look in the mirror if you want to see a bad driver . People like you cause the queue . I bet you try and get as far as poss then barge in. Causing drivers to slow for you. . And every car behind them.
Why don't you read the Highway code and stop trying to force your bad, dangerous and idiotic driving style on everyone else. The highway code is clear.
Use ALL lanes in the run-up to the road works then Merge -in-turn at the road works.
It's simple, it's clear and it means what it says.
Or are you road bullies so caught up in your own pig headed self righteousness that you've lost the ability to read.
Before you come back with another comment go read the full thread. Then read the highway code and tell us where it says everyone should sit and queue in one lane when two are available.
Stop trying to bully other people into following your bad habits..
Because the highway code is a guide... Merging in turn is a guide.... It's not law
Yer, it's a guide that tells you how to drive safely and correctly. Therefore, if you're not driving in accordance with the Highway Code you're not driving as safely or as well as you should be. In other words you are driving dangerously. The guide (Highway code) is clear.
Use ALL lanes in the run-up to the Roadworks then Merge-in-turn at the road works.
It's simple, it's clear and it means what it says.
No it doesn't, it's a guide, it's not statutory or compulsory.
The police could use it to build a case against dangerous driving but it's not dangerous driving perse.
"Actually, I'd say that needlessly creating and sitting in a queue of slow moving or stationary traffic, increasing the chances of a an accident by 4 times (Check further up the thread for how that figure is worked out), is dangerous driving, Whereas, if you followed the highway codse, used All lanes in the run up to the roadworks then merged-in-turn at the road works, you would be driving both correctly and safely. And those that actually block the clear lane are breaking the law under section 137 of the Highways Act 1980 and/or section 28 of the Town Police Clauses Act 1847 | |||
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"The two into one at roadworks is a pain. If you get over early, you queue as others carry on in the closing lane and push in. If you carry on in the closing lane, you invoke the ire of other road users, and I always feel a bit guilty whenever I've done it. I like what the truck drivers do and block the closing lane, but keep pace with the main lane, so as to create a rolling road block. Then everyone gets a more equitable place in the queue and both lanes move at the same pace. Perfect example of a total prick behind the wheel
If theres 2 lanes to use then 2 lanes are meant to be used until the end, it's not pushing in, it's using your fucking common sense wrong . . Look in the mirror if you want to see a bad driver . People like you cause the queue . I bet you try and get as far as poss then barge in. Causing drivers to slow for you. . And every car behind them.
Why don't you read the Highway code and stop trying to force your bad, dangerous and idiotic driving style on everyone else. The highway code is clear.
Use ALL lanes in the run-up to the road works then Merge -in-turn at the road works.
It's simple, it's clear and it means what it says.
Or are you road bullies so caught up in your own pig headed self righteousness that you've lost the ability to read.
Before you come back with another comment go read the full thread. Then read the highway code and tell us where it says everyone should sit and queue in one lane when two are available.
Stop trying to bully other people into following your bad habits..
Because the highway code is a guide... Merging in turn is a guide.... It's not law
Yer, it's a guide that tells you how to drive safely and correctly. Therefore, if you're not driving in accordance with the Highway Code you're not driving as safely or as well as you should be. In other words you are driving dangerously. The guide (Highway code) is clear.
Use ALL lanes in the run-up to the Roadworks then Merge-in-turn at the road works.
It's simple, it's clear and it means what it says.
No it doesn't, it's a guide, it's not statutory or compulsory.
The police could use it to build a case against dangerous driving but it's not dangerous driving perse.
Actually, I'd say that needlessly creating and sitting in a queue of slow moving or stationary traffic, increasing the chances of a an accident by 4 times (Check further up the thread for how that figure is worked out), is dangerous driving, Whereas, if you followed the highway codse, used All lanes in the run up to the roadworks then merged-in-turn at the road works, you would be driving both correctly and safely.
And those that actually block the clear lane are breaking the law under section 137 of the Highways Act 1980 and/or section 28 of the Town Police Clauses Act 1847". So me sitting in a mile long queue of traffic is dangerous? Not the person who plows in the back of me. Or am I in danger of careering into the cars in front at 4mph. To be honest I can't be arse arguing with you anymore, let's just agree to disagree. And I'll bear in mind your warning about the dangerous driving! | |||
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"The two into one at roadworks is a pain. If you get over early, you queue as others carry on in the closing lane and push in. If you carry on in the closing lane, you invoke the ire of other road users, and I always feel a bit guilty whenever I've done it. I like what the truck drivers do and block the closing lane, but keep pace with the main lane, so as to create a rolling road block. Then everyone gets a more equitable place in the queue and both lanes move at the same pace. Perfect example of a total prick behind the wheel
If theres 2 lanes to use then 2 lanes are meant to be used until the end, it's not pushing in, it's using your fucking common sense wrong . . Look in the mirror if you want to see a bad driver . People like you cause the queue . I bet you try and get as far as poss then barge in. Causing drivers to slow for you. . And every car behind them.
Why don't you read the Highway code and stop trying to force your bad, dangerous and idiotic driving style on everyone else. The highway code is clear.
Use ALL lanes in the run-up to the road works then Merge -in-turn at the road works.
It's simple, it's clear and it means what it says.
Or are you road bullies so caught up in your own pig headed self righteousness that you've lost the ability to read.
Before you come back with another comment go read the full thread. Then read the highway code and tell us where it says everyone should sit and queue in one lane when two are available.
Stop trying to bully other people into following your bad habits..
Because the highway code is a guide... Merging in turn is a guide.... It's not law
Yer, it's a guide that tells you how to drive safely and correctly. Therefore, if you're not driving in accordance with the Highway Code you're not driving as safely or as well as you should be. In other words you are driving dangerously. The guide (Highway code) is clear.
Use ALL lanes in the run-up to the Roadworks then Merge-in-turn at the road works.
It's simple, it's clear and it means what it says.
No it doesn't, it's a guide, it's not statutory or compulsory.
The police could use it to build a case against dangerous driving but it's not dangerous driving perse.
Actually, I'd say that needlessly creating and sitting in a queue of slow moving or stationary traffic, increasing the chances of a an accident by 4 times (Check further up the thread for how that figure is worked out), is dangerous driving, Whereas, if you followed the highway codse, used All lanes in the run up to the roadworks then merged-in-turn at the road works, you would be driving both correctly and safely.
And those that actually block the clear lane are breaking the law under section 137 of the Highways Act 1980 and/or section 28 of the Town Police Clauses Act 1847.
So me sitting in a mile long queue of traffic is dangerous? Not the person who plows in the back of me.
Or am I in danger of careering into the cars in front at 4mph.
To be honest I can't be arse arguing with you anymore, let's just agree to disagree.
And I'll bear in mind your warning about the dangerous driving!"
It seems likely that you and your dangerous driving might also need to be far more careful about other possible effects of section 28 of the Town Police Clauses Act 1847. Amongst other things it covers large fines for:
"Every person who flies any kite, or who makes or uses any slide upon ice or snow"
"Every person who beats or shakes any carpet, rug, or mat (except door mats, beaten or shaken before the hour of eight in the morning)"
However if you're sitting in a carriage, waggon or cart in that queue of traffic you'll want to avoid breaking the following when you think about filtering:
"Every person having the care of any waggon, cart, or carriage who rides on the shafts thereof, or who without having reins, and holding the same, rides upon such waggon, cart, or carriage, or on any animal drawing the same, or who is at such a distance from such waggon, cart, or carriage as not to have due control over every animal drawing the same, or who does not, in meeting any other carriage, keep his waggon, cart, or carriage to the left or near side, or who in passing any other carriage does not keep his waggon, cart, or carriage on the right or off side of the road (except in cases of actual necessity, or some sufficient reason for deviation) or who, by obstructing the street, wilfully prevents any person or carriage from passing him, or any waggon, cart, or carriage under his care"
"Every person who rides or drives furiously any horse or carriage, or drives furiously any cattle"
I'd be more scared of the Highways Act (mainly because most of section 28 of the 1847 Act has been repealed)
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"My knee jerk reaction is to let them out.. Funny thing is..nobody let's me out. This shit should reciprocated. "Not including bikes, which can normally filter on there own, I always let at least one vehicle in from the other lane between myself and the vehicle in front of me. If the vehicle behind me is bumper hugging to stop others merging correctly then I'll often let two or more through. | |||
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"The two into one at roadworks is a pain. If you get over early, you queue as others carry on in the closing lane and push in. If you carry on in the closing lane, you invoke the ire of other road users, and I always feel a bit guilty whenever I've done it. I like what the truck drivers do and block the closing lane, but keep pace with the main lane, so as to create a rolling road block. Then everyone gets a more equitable place in the queue and both lanes move at the same pace. Perfect example of a total prick behind the wheel
If theres 2 lanes to use then 2 lanes are meant to be used until the end, it's not pushing in, it's using your fucking common sense wrong . . Look in the mirror if you want to see a bad driver . People like you cause the queue . I bet you try and get as far as poss then barge in. Causing drivers to slow for you. . And every car behind them.
Why don't you read the Highway code and stop trying to force your bad, dangerous and idiotic driving style on everyone else. The highway code is clear.
Use ALL lanes in the run-up to the road works then Merge -in-turn at the road works.
It's simple, it's clear and it means what it says.
Or are you road bullies so caught up in your own pig headed self righteousness that you've lost the ability to read.
Before you come back with another comment go read the full thread. Then read the highway code and tell us where it says everyone should sit and queue in one lane when two are available.
Stop trying to bully other people into following your bad habits..
Because the highway code is a guide... Merging in turn is a guide.... It's not law
Yer, it's a guide that tells you how to drive safely and correctly. Therefore, if you're not driving in accordance with the Highway Code you're not driving as safely or as well as you should be. In other words you are driving dangerously. The guide (Highway code) is clear.
Use ALL lanes in the run-up to the Roadworks then Merge-in-turn at the road works.
It's simple, it's clear and it means what it says.
No it doesn't, it's a guide, it's not statutory or compulsory.
The police could use it to build a case against dangerous driving but it's not dangerous driving perse.
Actually, I'd say that needlessly creating and sitting in a queue of slow moving or stationary traffic, increasing the chances of a an accident by 4 times (Check further up the thread for how that figure is worked out), is dangerous driving, Whereas, if you followed the highway codse, used All lanes in the run up to the roadworks then merged-in-turn at the road works, you would be driving both correctly and safely.
And those that actually block the clear lane are breaking the law under section 137 of the Highways Act 1980 and/or section 28 of the Town Police Clauses Act 1847.
So me sitting in a mile long queue of traffic is dangerous? Not the person who plows in the back of me.
Or am I in danger of careering into the cars in front at 4mph.
To be honest I can't be arse arguing with you anymore, let's just agree to disagree.
And I'll bear in mind your warning about the dangerous driving!
It seems likely that you and your dangerous driving might also need to be far more careful about other possible effects of section 28 of the Town Police Clauses Act 1847. Amongst other things it covers large fines for:
"Every person who flies any kite, or who makes or uses any slide upon ice or snow"
"Every person who beats or shakes any carpet, rug, or mat (except door mats, beaten or shaken before the hour of eight in the morning)"
However if you're sitting in a carriage, waggon or cart in that queue of traffic you'll want to avoid breaking the following when you think about filtering:
"Every person having the care of any waggon, cart, or carriage who rides on the shafts thereof, or who without having reins, and holding the same, rides upon such waggon, cart, or carriage, or on any animal drawing the same, or who is at such a distance from such waggon, cart, or carriage as not to have due control over every animal drawing the same, or who does not, in meeting any other carriage, keep his waggon, cart, or carriage to the left or near side, or who in passing any other carriage does not keep his waggon, cart, or carriage on the right or off side of the road (except in cases of actual necessity, or some sufficient reason for deviation) or who, by obstructing the street, wilfully prevents any person or carriage from passing him, or any waggon, cart, or carriage under his care"
"Every person who rides or drives furiously any horse or carriage, or drives furiously any cattle"
I'd be more scared of the Highways Act (mainly because most of section 28 of the 1847 Act has been repealed)
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"Yea, I know what your getting at. Some eejits out there (look out for land/range rovers) who think they own the road and rules don't apply to them. Stupid boy racers in there noisy, pumped up Subaru's who whizz bye you and drive on 30mph roads as if there a race track, speeding around roundabout's etc. I know i'm going to get replies to this one, but I'm going to sound like a chauvinist, but woman drivers are NUTS. (Saudi Arabia don't allow women to drive). Women seem to have "tunnel vision" - almost look as if they are possessed/trans-fixed. Goodness knows how many women I've seen stop on the yellow hatches at intersections, getting as close as they can to the car infront so no-one can get infront of them, causing a traffic jam etc. " | |||
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"Yea, I know what your getting at. Some eejits out there (look out for land/range rovers) who think they own the road and rules don't apply to them. Stupid boy racers in there noisy, pumped up Subaru's who whizz bye you and drive on 30mph roads as if there a race track, speeding around roundabout's etc. I know i'm going to get replies to this one, but I'm going to sound like a chauvinist, but woman drivers are NUTS. (Saudi Arabia don't allow women to drive). Women seem to have "tunnel vision" - almost look as if they are possessed/trans-fixed. Goodness knows how many women I've seen stop on the yellow hatches at intersections, getting as close as they can to the car infront so no-one can get infront of them, causing a traffic jam etc. " | |||
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" I think the relevant part of clause 28 (by obstructing the street, wilfully prevents any person or carriage from passing him, or any waggon, cart, or carriage under his care) is still statute but I may be wrong." Sadly it was repealed in 1975 though probably still pretty good value for a pub quiz sometime. Meanwhile wagoners, carts and carriage drivers will probably be caught up by more modern laws. | |||
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