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By *uckoo clock OP   Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

If there is one person who singularlily fucked up this country while amassing personal wealth and receiving honours and plaudits from well known organisations irs gotta be him. !!

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley


"If there is one person who singularlily fucked up this country while amassing personal wealth and receiving honours and plaudits from well known organisations irs gotta be him. !!"

I couldn't agree more, yet he still is regarded in high esteem by other politicians. Say's it all really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Iraq war is seen as his low point. Apart from that what were his other major negatives?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Iraq war is seen as his low point. Apart from that what were his other major negatives?"

Apart from being a fucking prick??...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If there is one person who singularlily fucked up this country while amassing personal wealth and receiving honours and plaudits from well known organisations irs gotta be him. !!"

Margaret Thatcher would trump him in all categories.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Iraq war is seen as his low point. Apart from that what were his other major negatives?

Apart from being a fucking prick??... "

And thatcher wasnt i presume?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

why stop at tony blair when they are all as bad and as greedy as one another with not a care about the ppl they are supposed to serve

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Iraq war is seen as his low point. Apart from that what were his other major negatives?

Apart from being a fucking prick??...

And thatcher wasnt i presume?"

I never mentioned Thatcher, now don't be going all political on me, I was talking about Blair the man, not Blair the politician

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Iraq war is seen as his low point. Apart from that what were his other major negatives?

Apart from being a fucking prick??...

And thatcher wasnt i presume?

I never mentioned Thatcher, now don't be going all political on me, I was talking about Blair the man, not Blair the politician"

And im talking about thatcher the woman. As obnoxious as blair in my opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Iraq war is seen as his low point. Apart from that what were his other major negatives?

Apart from being a fucking prick??...

And thatcher wasnt i presume?

I never mentioned Thatcher, now don't be going all political on me, I was talking about Blair the man, not Blair the politician

And im talking about thatcher the woman. As obnoxious as blair in my opinion"

I concur

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like tony Blair, nice guy. I would defo meet up for a coffe at geraldino with a tuna melt with him and ask for his autograph

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley


"I like tony Blair, nice guy. I would defo meet up for a coffe at geraldino with a tuna melt with him and ask for his autograph "

I know that you're desperate for a meet but have some morals.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

If it wasn't for Iraq, then Blair would probably find history would be kinder to him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I like tony Blair, nice guy. I would defo meet up for a coffe at geraldino with a tuna melt with him and ask for his autograph

I know that you're desperate for a meet but have some morals. "
lol and yes, it would just be for a social, unless his wifes decides to join in for a threesome

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Say what you want about Blair but he had a go. Eh?

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By *couser83Man
over a year ago

Liverpool

I bet if fab was around when she was *this lady would be for turning* with the amount of hot ladies and couples on here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Margaret Thatcher would trump him in all categories. "

It is alleged that Thatcher claimed Blair was her legacy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it wasn't for Iraq, then Blair would probably find history would be kinder to him. "

That's why I asked the question. The Iraq war defines him whether you supported it or not but when you consider Northern Ireland, the economy, the NHS, taking children out of poverty. It wasn't all head in your hands negativity.

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By *he_tykiesCouple
over a year ago

West Yorkshire.


"why stop at tony blair when they are all as bad and as greedy as one another with not a care about the ppl they are supposed to serve "

Absolutely spot on !!!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"If it wasn't for Iraq, then Blair would probably find history would be kinder to him.

That's why I asked the question. The Iraq war defines him whether you supported it or not but when you consider Northern Ireland, the economy, the NHS, taking children out of poverty. It wasn't all head in your hands negativity. "

And the Minimum Wage, FOI, devolution to the 3 countries, Civil Partnerships and more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If there is one person who singularlily fucked up this country while amassing personal wealth and receiving honours and plaudits from well known organisations irs gotta be him. !!"

Never liked him, only good thing he did was ban fox hunting, eventualy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I never trusted Tony Blair.

His big beaming smile always looked false to me. Always had the look of a man who knew he was fooling everybody and getting away with it while being quietly concerned about getting found out.

Complete tosser!!

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By *orseydaveMan
over a year ago

Norwich NR5


"If there is one person who singularlily fucked up this country while amassing personal wealth and receiving honours and plaudits from well known organisations irs gotta be him. !!"

Could not agree more, he conned this country,lied to us, and is now robbing us. The Tories are'nt great, but the legacy they inherited from him will take years to put right

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"The Iraq war is seen as his low point. Apart from that what were his other major negatives?"

Letting the EU walk all over us and agreeing willy nilly to all their demands without any objection what-so-ever.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"The Iraq war is seen as his low point. Apart from that what were his other major negatives?"

Education, education, education, would be a start. Then we could go on to "sending out search party's" for immigrants. Then on to (with Browns connivance) flogging off the nations gold reserves at car boot price. Tax borrow and spend the country into near bankruptcy and then one of his ministers had the gall to leave a note for the new government. "There is no money left, we've spent it all"

I could go on for hours about the negatives of the Blair creature.

Positives er.. after a nano second of thought NONE.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Education is a positive.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Into near bankruptcy?

The deficit has more than doubled under the Tories and we're still not bankrupt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If there is one person who singularlily fucked up this country while amassing personal wealth and receiving honours and plaudits from well known organisations irs gotta be him. !!"

There was more than one person, never forget that. They're all in it together and left most of us out of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Iraq war is seen as his low point. Apart from that what were his other major negatives?

Education, education, education, would be a start. Then we could go on to "sending out search party's" for immigrants. Then on to (with Browns connivance) flogging off the nations gold reserves at car boot price. Tax borrow and spend the country into near bankruptcy and then one of his ministers had the gall to leave a note for the new government. "There is no money left, we've spent it all"

I could go on for hours about the negatives of the Blair creature.

Positives er.. after a nano second of thought NONE. "

Good post!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He didnt solve the Northern Ireland issue. Terrorists were released provided everyone promised to behave. They haven't gone away you know...

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

A peace deal in Northern Ireland.

A national minimum wage.

Pensioners living in poverty down from 3m to 2m.

No... Tony Blair did nothing right!

He did some good things, some bad things, history will ultimately judge him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He didnt solve the Northern Ireland issue. Terrorists were released provided everyone promised to behave. They haven't gone away you know..."

Yeh but you are spoiling fun for the negative people with that after all they are all running for parliament themselves next year.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"He didnt solve the Northern Ireland issue. Terrorists were released provided everyone promised to behave. They haven't gone away you know..."

I got to spend my teenage years in relative peace in relation to my mum's experience.

It wasn't perfect but it was a big improvement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Iraq war is seen as his low point. Apart from that what were his other major negatives?

Apart from being a fucking prick??...

And thatcher wasnt i presume?

I never mentioned Thatcher, now don't be going all political on me, I was talking about Blair the man, not Blair the politician

And im talking about thatcher the woman. As obnoxious as blair in my opinion

I concur"

And I strongly disagree. Having lived through both I know who I prefer.

And someone asked for 'what else':

Immigration policies that are now destroying our communities.

How he lied to Parliament to get us in Bush's Iraq War

He permitted Brown to just wreck our economy, sell our gold and borrow way beyond our means even in 'good times'.

He created a massive public sector as a guaranteed voting client state.

He created the Tax credits that were a disaster when introduced and are now exploited by immigrants.

He gave away half our EU rebate for NOTHING! (and someone compared him to Thatcher?)

etc etc ... Sorry the very idea of this twat makes me puke... he was all image, smoke and mirrors. And don't even get me started on Alastair Campbell... or mention Dr Kelly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A peace deal in Northern Ireland.

A national minimum wage.

Pensioners living in poverty down from 3m to 2m.

No... Tony Blair did nothing right!

He did some good things, some bad things, history will ultimately judge him. "

One point if I may. He gave my Mum a 75p a week pension increase one year. And Pensioners have never been as well treated as they are now so lets have some proportion ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Iraq war is seen as his low point. Apart from that what were his other major negatives?

Apart from being a fucking prick??...

And thatcher wasnt i presume?

I never mentioned Thatcher, now don't be going all political on me, I was talking about Blair the man, not Blair the politician

And im talking about thatcher the woman. As obnoxious as blair in my opinion

I concur

And I strongly disagree. Having lived through both I know who I prefer.

And someone asked for 'what else':

Immigration policies that are now destroying our communities.

How he lied to Parliament to get us in Bush's Iraq War

He permitted Brown to just wreck our economy, sell our gold and borrow way beyond our means even in 'good times'.

He created a massive public sector as a guaranteed voting client state.

He created the Tax credits that were a disaster when introduced and are now exploited by immigrants.

He gave away half our EU rebate for NOTHING! (and someone compared him to Thatcher?)

etc etc ... Sorry the very idea of this twat makes me puke... he was all image, smoke and mirrors. And don't even get me started on Alastair Campbell... or mention Dr Kelly."

Very good post!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it wasn't for Iraq, then Blair would probably find history would be kinder to him.

That's why I asked the question. The Iraq war defines him whether you supported it or not but when you consider Northern Ireland, the economy, the NHS, taking children out of poverty. It wasn't all head in your hands negativity. "
you are joking about the economy ?

3 or 4 people deciding to have an open door policy on immigration ? Whether you believe in immigration or not hardly democratic !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it wasn't for Iraq, then Blair would probably find history would be kinder to him.

That's why I asked the question. The Iraq war defines him whether you supported it or not but when you consider Northern Ireland, the economy, the NHS, taking children out of poverty. It wasn't all head in your hands negativity. you are joking about the economy ?

3 or 4 people deciding to have an open door policy on immigration ? Whether you believe in immigration or not hardly democratic !"

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"A peace deal in Northern Ireland.

A national minimum wage.

Pensioners living in poverty down from 3m to 2m.

No... Tony Blair did nothing right!

He did some good things, some bad things, history will ultimately judge him.

One point if I may. He gave my Mum a 75p a week pension increase one year. And Pensioners have never been as well treated as they are now so lets have some proportion ..."

Did she get Winter Fuel Payments too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"why stop at tony blair when they are all as bad and as greedy as one another with not a care about the ppl they are supposed to serve

Absolutely spot on !!!"
Their worlds the stage Its what they do with It that counts and don,t believe what all politicians say their like the Media They want you to believe what They say most of the time they,ll give With one hand and take with the other.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If there is one person who singularlily fucked up this country while amassing personal wealth and receiving honours and plaudits from well known organisations irs gotta be him. !!

Never liked him, only good thing he did was ban fox hunting, eventualy. "
Yes that was a good thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Iraq was the best thing he did.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He's like Thatcher in the sense that loads of people voted for him and nobody admits to it anymore because of the baying hounds

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

blair was/is a puppet spin...I think if people REALLY dug a little deeper they'd find there is a subterranean group of shape shifting seven feet tall reptilians actually ruling the earth...they blend in really well on the surface..but they control the earths core with a secret device known as the core-etron.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never liked him at all, he is a slimeball and have done a lot of damage in this country.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"If there is one person who singularlily fucked up this country while amassing personal wealth and receiving honours and plaudits from well known organisations irs gotta be him. !!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If there is one person who singularlily fucked up this country while amassing personal wealth and receiving honours and plaudits from well known organisations irs gotta be him. !!"

I raise you Jimmy Savile

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What was his legacy? What did Tony Blair achieve? Debt, war, ignorance, welfare dependency, social division.

The crushing burden of debt has held back our wealth creating industries, left us with higher taxes, lower pensions, higher prices, and fewer jobs

Blair's wars – the ill-conceived invasion of Iraq and the consequential war in Afghanistan – have left thousands of our servicemen dead or injured, tens of thousands civilians dead or injured, a prosperous secular Iraqi middle class destroyed, Islamic extremism gaining in strength, and our historical friendly relationship with Pakistan soured.

Blairite education policies have brought about an upsurge in illiteracy and innumeracy, and left a generation of near-unemployable young people.

High taxes, low tax thresholds and distorted welfare policies have created an army of welfare junkies, families in which no one works or indeed intends to work, and a culture in which idleness often pays better than employment.

A welter of "equality" legislation, the doctrines of political correctness which have inhibited robust debate, 'elf 'n' safety regulations which inhibit rational behaviour and a calculated confusion of entitlements with rights combined with uncounted, uncontrolled, unlimited immigration and the sickness of multiculturalism, have torn society apart and led to racial and cultural tension and near-apartheid by consent in parts of our cities.

Blair's licensing law reforms have brought back Hogarth's Gin Lane to a city centre near you.

Mr Blair's complicity in the vast extension of powers of Brussels and the creation of a European Union with almost all the attributes of a sovereign state may well prove to be the step too far which precipitates the collapse of the whole construction, but it will be at a heavy price.

There is comfort to be found in the rational response of one-time Labour voters, some 5 million of whom deserted the party during the Blair-Brown years.

None the less there is one matter wherein he has achieved extraordinary success. His creature Lord Mandelson famously remarked that he was relaxed about people getting filthy rich. His master Mr Blair has certainly done that. But his riches are not just filthy. Much of his wealth has been made in the United States and to some of us it carries the reek of the blood of the British servicemen whose services he contracted out to President Bush in their Middle Eastern wars.

He at least has done well out of his time as Prime Minister.

*taken from a blog I liked*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I said at the time of the 97 election that Blair would be the worst PM this country has ever had. Hadn't reckoned on Brown taking over though.

Seen nothing since then to change that view.

It's a strange world when otherwise intelligent people think the Economy, Education, NHS, Security and indeed Child Poverty are better now than they were before.

Sad to say, but give it time, the full effects are yet to be seen.

Not that Blair could even consider giving a toss.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I heard a cracker on the radio at work:

"We need less immigration and more benefits"

all I thought was yeahhh, once we control the immigrants I'll get more money for doing fuck all.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

If Blair was that bad, how come he got elected 3 times?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There will be no state sponsored funeral, no large crowds lining the route, nothing of note to mark his passing.... He is now know as a phony flair, it was all about him and her, they make a few tories embaresed a boy their wealth. ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If Blair was that bad, how come he got elected 3 times?"

Aside from the not insignificant matter of there being no coordinated or credible opposition, the main reason being that enough people were taken in by all the hype, spin and let's be honest not so subtle bribery ( on tick ) by the Government.

And for a while they believed it. Some still do.

"Things can only get better"

Have they?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I like tony Blair, nice guy. I would defo meet up for a coffe at geraldino with a tuna melt with him and ask for his autograph "

Election night 97 was brill !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If there is one person who singularlily fucked up this country while amassing personal wealth and receiving honours and plaudits from well known organisations irs gotta be him. !!

Margaret Thatcher would trump him in all categories. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If Blair was that bad, how come he got elected 3 times?"

And if Thatcher was so bad, why was she re-elected. ..

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By *ipswingCouple
over a year ago

portrush

no matter who you vote for .. a politician always gets in ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Iraq war is seen as his low point. Apart from that what were his other major negatives?"
how about destroying what the labour party stood for, having thatcher declare him her best achievement,.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" What was his legacy? What did Tony Blair achieve? Debt, war, ignorance, welfare dependency, social division.

The crushing burden of debt has held back our wealth creating industries, left us with higher taxes, lower pensions, higher prices, and fewer jobs

Blair's wars – the ill-conceived invasion of Iraq and the consequential war in Afghanistan – have left thousands of our servicemen dead or injured, tens of thousands civilians dead or injured, a prosperous secular Iraqi middle class destroyed, Islamic extremism gaining in strength, and our historical friendly relationship with Pakistan soured.

Blairite education policies have brought about an upsurge in illiteracy and innumeracy, and left a generation of near-unemployable young people.

High taxes, low tax thresholds and distorted welfare policies have created an army of welfare junkies, families in which no one works or indeed intends to work, and a culture in which idleness often pays better than employment.

A welter of "equality" legislation, the doctrines of political correctness which have inhibited robust debate, 'elf 'n' safety regulations which inhibit rational behaviour and a calculated confusion of entitlements with rights combined with uncounted, uncontrolled, unlimited immigration and the sickness of multiculturalism, have torn society apart and led to racial and cultural tension and near-apartheid by consent in parts of our cities.

Blair's licensing law reforms have brought back Hogarth's Gin Lane to a city centre near you.

Mr Blair's complicity in the vast extension of powers of Brussels and the creation of a European Union with almost all the attributes of a sovereign state may well prove to be the step too far which precipitates the collapse of the whole construction, but it will be at a heavy price.

There is comfort to be found in the rational response of one-time Labour voters, some 5 million of whom deserted the party during the Blair-Brown years.

None the less there is one matter wherein he has achieved extraordinary success. His creature Lord Mandelson famously remarked that he was relaxed about people getting filthy rich. His master Mr Blair has certainly done that. But his riches are not just filthy. Much of his wealth has been made in the United States and to some of us it carries the reek of the blood of the British servicemen whose services he contracted out to President Bush in their Middle Eastern wars.

He at least has done well out of his time as Prime Minister.

*taken from a blog I liked*

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Iraq was after Afghanistan.

We never had a closer relationship with Pakistan.

Elf and safety was straight from Europe.

I voted Blair in the 90,s I never voted for him again.

Best thing he ever did was tackle the middle East and really speaking 911 did that for him as he would never have got the mandate for it has it not been for that terrorist attack.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it wasn't for Iraq, then Blair would probably find history would be kinder to him.

That's why I asked the question. The Iraq war defines him whether you supported it or not but when you consider Northern Ireland, the economy, the NHS, taking children out of poverty. It wasn't all head in your hands negativity. you are joking about the economy ?

3 or 4 people deciding to have an open door policy on immigration ? Whether you believe in immigration or not hardly democratic !"

No I'm not joking about the economy. Just look at his record on continual growth. Stands up with anyone. People should consider taking some emotion out of these things and respect the facts.

I don't have to like the guy to be balanced about his time as prime minister. As I said earlier, even Thatcher saw him as her legacy. Iraq was his downfall, that said for some it was his greatest hour. I disagree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You couldn't be more wrong about contracting out service men to the US ,I saw Blair give a lecture in the US on the middle East before bush was even elected in 2000 he was certainly no poodle and really was an architect of the middle East invasion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The saddest thing about Tony Blair is that John Major is the greatest living ex-British PM.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Iraq certainly wasn't his downfall, in fact the greatest legacy he left was freedom to 50 million Muslims, who without him would never have even been allowed to become anything without being shot or tortured by their age old repressor of human rights who was Hussain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Iraq certainly wasn't his downfall, in fact the greatest legacy he left was freedom to 50 million Muslims, who without him would never have even been allowed to become anything without being shot or tortured by their age old repressor of human rights who was Hussain."
50 million? Hello! - in the last 3or4 years Iraq has become a far more dangerous & unstable country than it ever was under Saddam, - it's just under reported(for obvious reasons)!!

There's some posters on here who are either too young to remember Thatcherism or have very bad memories!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A peace deal in Northern Ireland.

A national minimum wage.

Pensioners living in poverty down from 3m to 2m.

No... Tony Blair did nothing right!

He did some good things, some bad things, history will ultimately judge him.

One point if I may. He gave my Mum a 75p a week pension increase one year. And Pensioners have never been as well treated as they are now so lets have some proportion ...

Did she get Winter Fuel Payments too? "

AS it happens yes she did. But you really don't want to get into Pension rises under Labour compared to inflation and an apparently 'booming economy' ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's some posters on here who are either too young to remember Thatcherism or have very bad memories! "

My memory is rather excellent my friend. Want me to regale you with how we were treated by the union thugs and called out on endless strikes? Or how half the TUC in the 70s were Communists? How two of them were Russian spies? Or how Scargill got pound notes in brown envelopes from the Russian embassy every week? Christ even Wilson took more milk off the kids than Thatcher but I guess 'Wilson the milk snatcher' doesn't really rhyme well!

It wasn't Thatcher who divided the country it was the bloody unions and if you don't understand how bad things were either you weren't there yourself or your memory is faltering. Yes she screwed up big time with the Poll Tax and how she implemented it and paid the price. ONE error in 11 years. But she led us out from being the 'sick man of Europe' (like France is now) to being a Great Britain again. And never forget she handed true democracy to every union member in Britain. No more thugs knocking on your door at night, windscreens smashed with baseball bats or threats at gate meetings. That one change alone to me makes her the greatest PM in peacetime.

And as I ask all lefties who denigrate her if she was SO bad and damaged everyone SO much how come she was elected 3 times with increasing majorities?

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


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AS it happens yes she did. But you really don't want to get into Pension rises under Labour compared to inflation and an apparently 'booming economy' ..."

In each of the 10 years Blair was in office the weekly state pension increased by £2.48 on average. Some years it might have been more or less but that's the average.

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By *he tactile technicianMan
over a year ago

the good lands, the bad lands, the any where you may want me lands


"The Iraq war is seen as his low point. Apart from that what were his other major negatives?

Education, education, education, would be a start. Then we could go on to "sending out search party's" for immigrants. Then on to (with Browns connivance) flogging off the nations gold reserves at car boot price. Tax borrow and spend the country into near bankruptcy and then one of his ministers had the gall to leave a note for the new government. "There is no money left, we've spent it all"

I could go on for hours about the negatives of the Blair creature.

Positives er.. after a nano second of thought NONE. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If Blair was that bad, how come he got elected 3 times?"

Interestingly, more people abstained from voting in 2001 than actually voted for him.

The constituency boundaries are also rigged in such a way that it is more difficult for conservatives to win a majority than Labour.

For example, look at Suffolk.

Ipswich - a costituency all on it's own is held by Labour, whereas the rest if Suffolk is split into two constituencies, both of which are held by the conservatives.

Labour have also benefitted in Scotland since the 80's due to the massive unpopularity of the conservatives north of the border thanks to the whole Poll Tax scandal.

Labour are losing support in Scotland now as more voters are chosing SNP.

The reason why Labour are not in support of the udea of English votes for English laws is that they are dependent on their Scottish seats for an overall majority.

If the English votes thing happens, even if Labour were to win the election, they would have huge problems getting any English policies passed.

Though it seems that since the Scottish Independence referendum, support for Labour north of the border is dwindling.

Thank goodness.

Milliband and Balls are a disastrous prospect fir this country.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"If it wasn't for Iraq, then Blair would probably find history would be kinder to him. "

True. He was responsible for a huge building programme for schools and he also lifted thousands of children out of poverty. Both things now undone by the present government.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"He's like Thatcher in the sense that loads of people voted for him and nobody admits to it anymore because of the baying hounds"

I voted for Thatcher every time and am proud to say it.

I am also proud to say I never voted for Blair.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Education is a positive. "

Not when it's only a sound bite it isn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I like tony Blair, nice guy. I would defo meet up for a coffe at geraldino with a tuna melt with him and ask for his autograph

I know that you're desperate for a meet but have some morals. lol and yes, it would just be for a social, unless his wifes decides to join in for a threesome "

nooooo that is so wrong, how can you shag anyone who grins like that woman

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Criticising anyone in a position of authority or some sort of position of authority or trust seems to be endemic within our society these days.

Can't say I like the guy but when you make hundreds of decisions, the law of averages say some will be poor ones. Take a look at your own lives and tell me you've never made a bad one ?

Liar? Pretty strong accusation seeing as it's based on media information 90%of the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" What was his legacy? What did Tony Blair achieve? Debt, war, ignorance, welfare dependency, social division.

The crushing burden of debt has held back our wealth creating industries, left us with higher taxes, lower pensions, higher prices, and fewer jobs

Blair's wars – the ill-conceived invasion of Iraq and the consequential war in Afghanistan – have left thousands of our servicemen dead or injured, tens of thousands civilians dead or injured, a prosperous secular Iraqi middle class destroyed, Islamic extremism gaining in strength, and our historical friendly relationship with Pakistan soured.

Blairite education policies have brought about an upsurge in illiteracy and innumeracy, and left a generation of near-unemployable young people.

High taxes, low tax thresholds and distorted welfare policies have created an army of welfare junkies, families in which no one works or indeed intends to work, and a culture in which idleness often pays better than employment.

A welter of "equality" legislation, the doctrines of political correctness which have inhibited robust debate, 'elf 'n' safety regulations which inhibit rational behaviour and a calculated confusion of entitlements with rights combined with uncounted, uncontrolled, unlimited immigration and the sickness of multiculturalism, have torn society apart and led to racial and cultural tension and near-apartheid by consent in parts of our cities.

Blair's licensing law reforms have brought back Hogarth's Gin Lane to a city centre near you.

Mr Blair's complicity in the vast extension of powers of Brussels and the creation of a European Union with almost all the attributes of a sovereign state may well prove to be the step too far which precipitates the collapse of the whole construction, but it will be at a heavy price.

There is comfort to be found in the rational response of one-time Labour voters, some 5 million of whom deserted the party during the Blair-Brown years.

None the less there is one matter wherein he has achieved extraordinary success. His creature Lord Mandelson famously remarked that he was relaxed about people getting filthy rich. His master Mr Blair has certainly done that. But his riches are not just filthy. Much of his wealth has been made in the United States and to some of us it carries the reek of the blood of the British servicemen whose services he contracted out to President Bush in their Middle Eastern wars.

He at least has done well out of his time as Prime Minister.

*taken from a blog I liked*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's some posters on here who are either too young to remember Thatcherism or have very bad memories!

My memory is rather excellent my friend. Want me to regale you with how we were treated by the union thugs and called out on endless strikes? Or how half the TUC in the 70s were Communists? How two of them were Russian spies? Or how Scargill got pound notes in brown envelopes from the Russian embassy every week? Christ even Wilson took more milk off the kids than Thatcher but I guess 'Wilson the milk snatcher' doesn't really rhyme well!

It wasn't Thatcher who divided the country it was the bloody unions and if you don't understand how bad things were either you weren't there yourself or your memory is faltering. Yes she screwed up big time with the Poll Tax and how she implemented it and paid the price. ONE error in 11 years. But she led us out from being the 'sick man of Europe' (like France is now) to being a Great Britain again. And never forget she handed true democracy to every union member in Britain. No more thugs knocking on your door at night, windscreens smashed with baseball bats or threats at gate meetings. That one change alone to me makes her the greatest PM in peacetime.

And as I ask all lefties who denigrate her if she was SO bad and damaged everyone SO much how come she was elected 3 times with increasing majorities?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I voted for Thatcher every time and am proud to say it.

I am also proud to say I never voted for Blair."

I would have voted for Maggie, but wasn't old enough to vote until after she had been suceeded by John Major - who was actually a pretty good PM.

I too never voted for Blair and won't be voting for Millipede either.

He makes my teeth itch!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it wasn't for Iraq, then Blair would probably find history would be kinder to him.

That's why I asked the question. The Iraq war defines him whether you supported it or not but when you consider Northern Ireland, the economy, the NHS, taking children out of poverty. It wasn't all head in your hands negativity. you are joking about the economy ?

3 or 4 people deciding to have an open door policy on immigration ? Whether you believe in immigration or not hardly democratic !

No I'm not joking about the economy. Just look at his record on continual growth. Stands up with anyone. People should consider taking some emotion out of these things and respect the facts.

I don't have to like the guy to be balanced about his time as prime minister. As I said earlier, even Thatcher saw him as her legacy. Iraq was his downfall, that said for some it was his greatest hour. I disagree."
Growth ! It really is pointless just saying we had growth year on year without looking at facts and figures behind the economy in the Blair years

I'll be the first to say I really do not like him

When there were doubts about the MMR vaccination programme he would not say his child had received said vaccine due to his child's privacy yet didn't mind having his sons photograph slpashed all over the media when he was born !

He could have helped relieve people's doubts about MMR vaccine , why didn't he

Education ,education education another failure

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

I would also add that Blair along with Gerhard Shroeder was one of the champions of EU expansion into many of the old Warsaw pact country's.

Most (if not all) of those country's were nowhere near ready to join the EU and we are now seeing the results.

So all you Blair lovers, get your head around this one.

Blair was responsible for the rise of Ukip.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would also add that Blair along with Gerhard Shroeder was one of the champions of EU expansion into many of the old Warsaw pact country's.

Most (if not all) of those country's were nowhere near ready to join the EU and we are now seeing the results.

So all you Blair lovers, get your head around this one.

Blair was responsible for the rise of Ukip. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If there is one person who singularlily fucked up this country while amassing personal wealth and receiving honours and plaudits from well known organisations irs gotta be him. !!"

And Thatcher.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's some posters on here who are either too young to remember Thatcherism or have very bad memories!

My memory is rather excellent my friend.

And as I ask all lefties who denigrate her if she was SO bad and damaged everyone SO much how come she was elected 3 times with increasing majorities?"

I hate politics full stop but to answer your question thatchers popularity was diminishing drastically and she would of been voted out except good timing for her the Falklands conflict occured that was her saviour, she put lifes on the line to attract votes and thats the truth any documentary about this all tell the same story.

And dont forget the tories were dead against a minimum wage they wanted employers to pay as little as they wanted so they werent that great were they.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Iraq war is seen as his low point. Apart from that what were his other major negatives?"

Iraq war is his only point!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If there is one person who singularlily fucked up this country while amassing personal wealth and receiving honours and plaudits from well known organisations irs gotta be him. !!

And Thatcher."

One big difference between the two, is that I believe Thatcher loved this country, Blair doesnt seem to give a shit.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thatcher only loved those she saw as her own kind. If there is "no such thing as society" there can be no such thing as a nation. It's easy to beat up on one section of society be it the rich or the poor, the mark of a great leader is trying to be inclusive of all. Sadly a trait few of our leaders have shown of late.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Phony Tony, the worst most evil leader this country ever elected. Most of the current problems this country face are a result of that corrupt despicable excuse of human life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thatcher was by far and away the worst PM of the modern era. History will vilify her, no doubt about it x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you miss the point. Lady Thatcher was upfront said what she was going to do and then set about achieving it for the good of the country. Blair did everything by stealth & hidden agenda,for his & his vile wife's gain not the countries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think you miss the point. Lady Thatcher was upfront said what she was going to do and then set about achieving it for the good of the country. Blair did everything by stealth & hidden agenda,for his & his vile wife's gain not the countries. "

What was good for the country about the coal miners strike, well it was good for one country, germany.

She took a natural resource, over 300 years worth of coal and basically threw it away because she had a personal dislike for one man. We then imported coal from germany at a price that was higher than our own domestic supplies.

The woman was a bitch on loads of levels.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And Arthur was honest about that dispute, really. This thread was about the corrupt Blair, not thatcher.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And Arthur was honest about that dispute, really. This thread was about the corrupt Blair, not thatcher. "

No the OP gave their opinion about blair being the one person who had fucked up the country most. This then invites discussion to which i am saying that thatcher was by far and away worse than blair.

He was a twat but she was a cunt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hate politics full stop but to answer your question thatchers popularity was diminishing drastically and she would of been voted out except good timing for her the Falklands conflict occured that was her saviour, she put lifes on the line to attract votes and thats the truth any documentary about this all tell the same story.

And dont forget the tories were dead against a minimum wage they wanted employers to pay as little as they wanted so they werent that great were they."

I cannot put any credibility on anything you say if you REALLY believe Thatcher somehow created the Falklands War for her benefit and DELIBERATELY put our lives on the line for political advantage?

And don't forget we are talking about an economy of 35 years ago, with Union domination and she (like all Tory Governments have and always WILL) had to dig the economy our of the shitter where Labour left it. Again!. The Minimum wage wasn't too relevant to people always out on strike.

And I say again if she was so awful how come she got elected 3 times with increased majorities? Simple Question really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No the OP gave their opinion about blair being the one person who had fucked up the country most. This then invites discussion to which i am saying that thatcher was by far and away worse than blair.

He was a twat but she was a cunt."

In which case you, Sir, are a fucking knobber ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think you miss the point. Lady Thatcher was upfront said what she was going to do and then set about achieving it for the good of the country. Blair did everything by stealth & hidden agenda,for his & his vile wife's gain not the countries. "

well said ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thatcher only loved those she saw as her own kind. If there is "no such thing as society" there can be no such thing as a nation. ."

I am sure it was unintentional but you have actually misquoted Thatcher and taken it out of context. For clarification check what the Archbishop of London said about it in his address at at her funeral. She was actually making the opposite point to what you are a accusing her of. (Excuse my poor grammar.) Its at 26:45

http://youtu.be/drJoWMn0nlE

She was very aware of the effects of one action on another but followed her beliefs. Her knowledge. She was a conviction politician and sadly the last we will see. I will always remember her actions when the news of a dead sailor / airman or soldier was sent back from the Falklands. She wrote personally to the family in her own hand. Not some bland officialese. Just her own words of grief and care for those that had suffered a huge loss. I don't recall Mr Blair making the effort for those he sent to Iraq.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hasn't the tosser moved to France.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I never trusted Tony Blair.

His big beaming smile always looked false to me. Always had the look of a man who knew he was fooling everybody and getting away with it while being quietly concerned about getting found out.

Complete tosser!!"

I agree. Best tory prime minister we've ever had.

I would prefer the company of John major though. More of a swinger.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Iraq war is seen as his low point. Apart from that what were his other major negatives?"

PFI

R.I.P bill allowing snooping without a warrant.

Failure to replace our aging power stations leaving us critically short of generating capacity

Alistair Campbell

Devolution, without considering the consequences

Massive expansion of universities, leading to oversupply of indebted graduates

FSA allowing the banks to rack up serious debts and having to be bailed out

I am sure there is loads more...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am sure there is loads more..."

The appalling legacy that the New Labour Experiment left to this country in 2010 will be with us for a very long time. I referred to the time bomb of immigration and you listed a few yourself. PFIs are crucifying NHS Trusts and we saw the failure of PFIs on the London Tube. The problem is when Labour's ideas fail they don't just stop they cause the country years of grief and £Billions.

I just hope people will remember just what the shower did to us for 13 years when we tick the boxes in May next year.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

That's right. Tick the box.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's some posters on here who are either too young to remember Thatcherism or have very bad memories!

My memory is rather excellent my friend. Want me to regale you with how we were treated by the union thugs and called out on endless strikes? Or how half the TUC in the 70s were Communists? How two of them were Russian spies? Or how Scargill got pound notes in brown envelopes from the Russian embassy every week? Christ even Wilson took more milk off the kids than Thatcher but I guess 'Wilson the milk snatcher' doesn't really rhyme well!

It wasn't Thatcher who divided the country it was the bloody unions and if you don't understand how bad things were either you weren't there yourself or your memory is faltering. Yes she screwed up big time with the Poll Tax and how she implemented it and paid the price. ONE error in 11 years. But she led us out from being the 'sick man of Europe' (like France is now) to being a Great Britain again. And never forget she handed true democracy to every union member in Britain. No more thugs knocking on your door at night, windscreens smashed with baseball bats or threats at gate meetings. That one change alone to me makes her the greatest PM in peacetime.

And as I ask all lefties who denigrate her if she was SO bad and damaged everyone SO much how come pshe was elected 3 times with increasing majorities?"

I don't have time for a party political broadcast, but to answer your last question;

A poorly educated majority with The Sun combined!!

......a shambolic period!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am sure there is loads more...

The appalling legacy that the New Labour Experiment left to this country in 2010 will be with us for a very long time. I referred to the time bomb of immigration and you listed a few yourself. PFIs are crucifying NHS Trusts and we saw the failure of PFIs on the London Tube. The problem is when Labour's ideas fail they don't just stop they cause the country years of grief and £Billions.

I just hope people will remember just what the shower did to us for 13 years when we tick the boxes in May next year."
.

Yep I'll be probably voting ukip though and certainly not that shower of shite that are tories liberals or labour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"IYep I'll be probably voting ukip though and certainly not that shower of shite that are tories liberals or labour."

You'll get a Labour Government then. enjoy!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't have time for a party political broadcast, but to answer your last question;

A poorly educated majority with The Sun combined!!

......a shambolic period!"

Oh sorry I forgot you had the attention span of a Goldfish mate ..

Well I never read the Sun, I got the equivalent of a BA in engineering and was a qualified member of the Institute of Logistics, an airframe and armaments fitter and a Scania Master Technician. So poorly educated? Nah. I'll leave that to people like you...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"IYep I'll be probably voting ukip though and certainly not that shower of shite that are tories liberals or labour.

You'll get a Labour Government then. enjoy!"

UKIP, the far right will bed with Labour?

.......oh look, there's some pigs doing a flyover in formation!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't have time for a party political broadcast, but to answer your last question;

A poorly educated majority with The Sun combined!!

......a shambolic period!

Oh sorry I forgot you had the attention span of a Goldfish mate ..

Well I never read the Sun, I got the equivalent of a BA in engineering and was a qualified member of the Institute of Logistics, an airframe and armaments fitter and a Scania Master Technician. So poorly educated? Nah. I'll leave that to people like you..."

Pull your head in dude, ye never know, people may find it more attractive! .............ye just never know on Fab!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

A poorly educated majority with The Sun combined!!

"

.... But you did make the 'uneducated' comment about those of us who supported Maggie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They both polarise opinion but genuine leaders usually do. My point is that both Blair and Thatcher were genuine leaders. Both had conviction and wanted the best for the UK.

Genuine leadership is what's lacking in the current crop. I can't help but believe that both Blair and Thatcher would have dealt with Farage and UKIP full on. They wouldn't have danced around him and be bullied into adopting his agenda.

Real leadership, the type that dominates, wins and polarises but gets its job done is what British politics currently lacks.

Like them or hate them the closest today are probably Farage and Salmond, but neither are a patch on Thatcher or Blair!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They both polarise opinion but genuine leaders usually do. My point is that both Blair and Thatcher were genuine leaders. Both had conviction and wanted the best for the UK.

Genuine leadership is what's lacking in the current crop. I can't help but believe that both Blair and Thatcher would have dealt with Farage and UKIP full on. They wouldn't have danced around him and be bullied into adopting his agenda.

Real leadership, the type that dominates, wins and polarises but gets its job done is what British politics currently lacks.

Like them or hate them the closest today are probably Farage and Salmond, but neither are a patch on Thatcher or Blair!"

Got to say I agree there. Even if someone is 'wrong' in your opinion you have to at least admit that someone is doing it because they believe it is right for the country.

As far as Farage is concerned I don't think Maggie would have left the country open to the migration levels and the domination by the EU that is his feeding place ...

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"IYep I'll be probably voting ukip though and certainly not that shower of shite that are tories liberals or labour.

You'll get a Labour Government then. enjoy!"

If you live north of birminghma makes more sense to vote UKIP instead of Tory if you want to keep Labour out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If there is one person who singularlily fucked up this country while amassing personal wealth and receiving honours and plaudits from well known organisations irs gotta be him. !!"
When will you wake up,they are all the same , all went to the same schools...universities...all millionaires....WAKE UP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If there is one person who singularlily fucked up this country while amassing personal wealth and receiving honours and plaudits from well known organisations irs gotta be him. !!When will you wake up,they are all the same , all went to the same schools...universities...all millionaires....WAKE UP "
there all in it for there own gains my mp does all he can to keep him self in the spotlight in the national media .

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By *lanwoodMan
over a year ago

Alton

What amazed me the most about him was his inability to read his speeches properly. For such a well educated man, he constantly emphasised the wrong words when speaking. It used to wind me up no end.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"What amazed me the most about him was his inability to read his speeches properly. For such a well educated man, he constantly emphasised the wrong words when speaking. It used to wind me up no end."

In fairness he looked like a very good public speaker when doing press conferences stood next to George W Bush.

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By *lanwoodMan
over a year ago

Alton


"What amazed me the most about him was his inability to read his speeches properly. For such a well educated man, he constantly emphasised the wrong words when speaking. It used to wind me up no end.

In fairness he looked like a very good public speaker when doing press conferences stood next to George W Bush. "

George Bush was OK at it until they stopped putting pictures into the pages of his speeches.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are all lying, greedy, deceitful cocks

Now kindly let me get back to my afternoon sherry....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Remeber his nickname.. "Teflon Tony" ... Not sure if it will catch upto him

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