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"You couldn't make this up!! "well he was a conservative named reckless before.... so maybe he is just ahead of the curve..... 
I thought this thread would be more about the comments he made on the hustings the other night about how all non-british citizens may need work permits or may be asked to leave the country......
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well he was a conservative named reckless before.... so maybe he is just ahead of the curve.....
I thought this thread would be more about the comments he made on the hustings the other night about how all non-british citizens may need work permits or may be asked to leave the country......
but this is a start.... carry on mr reckless......"cant understand all this wanting work permits, where do these people get off. LET EVERYONE IN. LET EM ALL CLAIM BENIFITS . LET EM ALL HAVE AN HOUSE EACH. erm hold it wont work. Point system like australian works fine it seems Lets start it here | |||
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"You couldn't make this up!!
well he was a conservative named reckless before.... so maybe he is just ahead of the curve.....
I thought this thread would be more about the comments he made on the hustings the other night about how all non-british citizens may need work permits or may be asked to leave the country......
but this is a start.... carry on mr reckless......
cant understand all this wanting work permits, where do these people get off.
LET EVERYONE IN. LET EM ALL CLAIM BENIFITS . LET EM ALL HAVE AN HOUSE EACH.
erm hold it wont work.
Point system like australian works fine it seems
Lets start it here"We do not have vote in a bunch of racist, egotistical misogynists to achieve sensible immigration reform. | |||
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"You couldn't make this up!!
well he was a conservative named reckless before.... so maybe he is just ahead of the curve.....
I thought this thread would be more about the comments he made on the hustings the other night about how all non-british citizens may need work permits or may be asked to leave the country......
but this is a start.... carry on mr reckless......
cant understand all this wanting work permits, where do these people get off.
LET EVERYONE IN. LET EM ALL CLAIM BENIFITS . LET EM ALL HAVE AN HOUSE EACH.
erm hold it wont work.
Point system like australian works fine it seems
Lets start it here"when he meant everyone.. he meant EVERYONE.... EU and non-EU alike..... so you going to start sending EVERYONE home.... french, spanish, irish, germans, ect ect ect...... be interesting to see if other countries would start retaliating...... | |||
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"You couldn't make this up!!
well he was a conservative named reckless before.... so maybe he is just ahead of the curve.....
I thought this thread would be more about the comments he made on the hustings the other night about how all non-british citizens may need work permits or may be asked to leave the country......
but this is a start.... carry on mr reckless......
cant understand all this wanting work permits, where do these people get off.
LET EVERYONE IN. LET EM ALL CLAIM BENIFITS . LET EM ALL HAVE AN HOUSE EACH.
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Point system like australian works fine it seems
Lets start it here
when he meant everyone.. he meant EVERYONE.... EU and non-EU alike.....
so you going to start sending EVERYONE home.... french, spanish, irish, germans, ect ect ect...... be interesting to see if other countries would start retaliating......"Can the Polish stay? My builder hasnt finished our new wall yet. Also, theres a hot Polish barmaid in our local pub  | |||
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" Can the Polish stay? My builder hasnt finished our new wall yet. Also, theres a hot Polish barmaid in our local pub "nope.... funny enough it was a question from a Polish Plumber that prompted Mr.Reckless' response.... should i just start packing now..... | |||
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" Can the Polish stay? My builder hasnt finished our new wall yet. Also, theres a hot Polish barmaid in our local pub
nope.... funny enough it was a question from a Polish Plumber that prompted Mr.Reckless' response....
should i just start packing now..... "Bollocks. Better tell him to hurry up! | |||
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" Can the Polish stay? My builder hasnt finished our new wall yet. Also, theres a hot Polish barmaid in our local pub
nope.... funny enough it was a question from a Polish Plumber that prompted Mr.Reckless' response....
should i just start packing now..... "Go and take your battery powered monstrosity with you! | |||
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"You couldn't make this up!!
well he was a conservative named reckless before.... so maybe he is just ahead of the curve.....
I thought this thread would be more about the comments he made on the hustings the other night about how all non-british citizens may need work permits or may be asked to leave the country......
but this is a start.... carry on mr reckless......
cant understand all this wanting work permits, where do these people get off.
LET EVERYONE IN. LET EM ALL CLAIM BENIFITS . LET EM ALL HAVE AN HOUSE EACH.
erm hold it wont work.
Point system like australian works fine it seems
Lets start it here
We do not have vote in a bunch of racist, egotistical misogynists to achieve sensible immigration reform."Why mention the Labour party on this thread? | |||
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"UKIP are no different to the BNP in my eyes " Yes they different they are far more popular | |||
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"All the parties are fucking idiots ...... We have to choose which one is less of a idiot .... Which right now is a struggle "when you put the cross in perm any two from three | |||
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"UKIP are no different to the BNP in my eyes Yes they different they are far more popular "Not at all just the same racist scum bag same as the EDL etc just dressed in different clothes | |||
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"UKIP are no different to the BNP in my eyes Yes they different they are far more popular
Not at all just the same racist scum bag same as the EDL etc just dressed in different clothes"PMSL. The easiest way to know when you have won an argument is when the other side start chucking in the insults and untruths. Seems like the lefties are getting a bit rattled. | |||
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"UKIP are no different to the BNP in my eyes " what a load of rubbish. you make a sting accusation but dont back it up with anyreasons as to why | |||
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"UKIP are no different to the BNP in my eyes Yes they different they are far more popular
Not at all just the same racist scum bag same as the EDL etc just dressed in different clothes
PMSL.
The easiest way to know when you have won an argument is when the other side start chucking in the insults and untruths.
Seems like the lefties are getting a bit rattled. " | |||
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"UKIP are no different to the BNP in my eyes what a load of rubbish. you make a sting accusation but dont back it up with anyreasons as to why" Quite Simple because they are all racist scaremongers as****, they prey on the uneducated. We need immigration we need to be in Europe, GB is not the power house it once was | |||
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"UKIP are no different to the BNP in my eyes Yes they different they are far more popular
Not at all just the same racist scum bag same as the EDL etc just dressed in different clothes"Don't hold back say what you mean ! | |||
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"UKIP are no different to the BNP in my eyes what a load of rubbish. you make a sting accusation but dont back it up with anyreasons as to why Quite Simple because they are all racist scaremongers as****, they prey on the uneducated. We need immigration we need to be in Europe, GB is not the power house it once was" No not racist, and no we don't need immigrants, there are enough british people already. | |||
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"UKIP are no different to the BNP in my eyes what a load of rubbish. you make a sting accusation but dont back it up with anyreasons as to why Quite Simple because they are all racist scaremongers as****, they prey on the uneducated. We need immigration we need to be in Europe, GB is not the power house it once was" Have you not noticed that GB is a island and nearly full! | |||
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"Equally laughable is one called Cameron who claims we are all in it together" yep , except when it comes to pay rises and perks oh and bending the law to please oneself . | |||
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"We need both immigration and migration. both of these things have happened since the day humans were first on this earth " why ! | |||
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" We do not have vote in a bunch of racist, egotistical misogynists to achieve sensible immigration reform. Why mention the Labour party on this thread?" But of a silly thing to say, being as it was labour who encouraged immigration in the first place along with a whole host of female and family friendly policies. UKIP has more members called Dave than females, let alone the male to female ratio! I wonder why?! | |||
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"Well they help economy for a start, they bring new skills" We also get a lot of criminals as well as murderers who do it again when here ! | |||
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"We need both immigration and migration. both of these things have happened since the day humans were first on this earth why !" You don't run a business then I take it? | |||
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"We need both immigration and migration. both of these things have happened since the day humans were first on this earth why ! You don't run a business then I take it?" Yes I do run a business thanks | |||
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"Well they help economy for a start, they bring new skills We also get a lot of criminals as well as murderers who do it again when here ! " Same as our criminals and murderers go elsewhere, And the same criminals and murderers that are still here - wherever you go in the world an asshole is gonna be asshole and decent people will be decent | |||
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"Well they help economy for a start, they bring new skills" Cheap labour as well. | |||
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"Well they help economy for a start, they bring new skills Cheap labour as well." Which enables the cheap prices for hotels, food and consumer products which you undoubtedly enjoy. | |||
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"Well they help economy for a start, they bring new skills Cheap labour as well." Fuck me you think with UKIP is charge everyone is going to be paid more fairly. Most of our money comes immigrated nationals. | |||
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"Well they help economy for a start, they bring new skills Cheap labour as well. Which enables the cheap prices for hotels, food and consumer products which you undoubtedly enjoy." Most of the time when you have cheap labour it is putting other people out of work which mean more people are claiming benefit its a vicious circle Why can people come and work in this country and claim child benefit for children back in their country . | |||
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"Well they help economy for a start, they bring new skills Cheap labour as well. Fuck me you think with UKIP is charge everyone is going to be paid more fairly. Most of our money comes immigrated nationals. " Sorry i think that's not true | |||
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"Well they help economy for a start, they bring new skills Cheap labour as well. Which enables the cheap prices for hotels, food and consumer products which you undoubtedly enjoy." Well if we have to pay more we have to pay more don't we.  | |||
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"Well they help economy for a start, they bring new skills Cheap labour as well. Which enables the cheap prices for hotels, food and consumer products which you undoubtedly enjoy. Well if we have to pay more we have to pay more don't we. "So you wont complain one little bit that you are paying more for items that cost less in other countries | |||
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"Well they help economy for a start, they bring new skills Cheap labour as well. Which enables the cheap prices for hotels, food and consumer products which you undoubtedly enjoy. Well if we have to pay more we have to pay more don't we.
No, what would be the point.
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"Well they help economy for a start, they bring new skills Cheap labour as well. Which enables the cheap prices for hotels, food and consumer products which you undoubtedly enjoy. Well if we have to pay more we have to pay more don't we.
So you wont complain one little bit that you are paying more for items that cost less in other countries ". To that point I ask you, what are these items that your buying that you know cost less because of immigration. Also what are the new skills they bring?. | |||
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"Well they help economy for a start, they bring new skills Cheap labour as well. Which enables the cheap prices for hotels, food and consumer products which you undoubtedly enjoy. Well if we have to pay more we have to pay more don't we. "Yes prices go up, people buy less and the economy slows. Businesses fail or downsize, job losses, even less spending...... Basic economics. | |||
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"Well they help economy for a start, they bring new skills Cheap labour as well. Which enables the cheap prices for hotels, food and consumer products which you undoubtedly enjoy. Well if we have to pay more we have to pay more don't we.
Yes prices go up, people buy less and the economy slows. Businesses fail or downsize, job losses, even less spending......
Basic economics. "I disagree, lots of people can afford to pay more. They wont go without. | |||
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" To that point I ask you, what are these items that your buying that you know cost less because of immigration. Also what are the new skills they bring?." Hotel rooms Food in restaurants Airfares Anything ever held in a warehouse or transported by road/rail/air Anything from a farm Anything made in a UK factory Very grateful to the incredible foreign professors at my uni and to the Ghanaian doctor who delivered my daughter. Their skills are invaluable here. | |||
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" To that point I ask you, what are these items that your buying that you know cost less because of immigration. Also what are the new skills they bring?. Hotel rooms Food in restaurants Airfares Anything ever held in a warehouse or transported by road/rail/air Anything from a farm Anything made in a UK factory Very grateful to the incredible foreign professors at my uni and to the Ghanaian doctor who delivered my daughter. Their skills are invaluable here. " | |||
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"love all this uneducated bollocks" oh the irony..  | |||
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" Why can people come and work in this country and claim child benefit for children back in their country . " so is that any better than lets say the thousands of people that get the winter fuel payment, when they jet off elsewhere for the winter........ or people who claim uk state pension for spouses who have never lived here....... not saying it is any better... just saying that if you are going to pick on one set of people.... then at least be consistant across the board..... because the "foreigners" are the easy targets.... right??? | |||
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" To that point I ask you, what are these items that your buying that you know cost less because of immigration. Also what are the new skills they bring?. Hotel rooms Food in restaurants Airfares Anything ever held in a warehouse or transported by road/rail/air Anything from a farm Anything made in a UK factory Very grateful to the incredible foreign professors at my uni and to the Ghanaian doctor who delivered my daughter. Their skills are invaluable here. " Yes, british people can do all those things too. | |||
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" Very grateful to the incredible foreign professors at my uni and to the Ghanaian doctor who delivered my daughter. Their skills are invaluable here. " A few years ago I heard Dennis Skinner speak at a NUM event and he made a similar comment. He said, 'if we sent anyone not white 'back home' like the fascists want, then we'd all be dead in a year, because that's a lot of doctors and nurses.' He may have been exaggerating, but there was a lot in it.  | |||
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" To that point I ask you, what are these items that your buying that you know cost less because of immigration. Also what are the new skills they bring?. Hotel rooms Food in restaurants Airfares Anything ever held in a warehouse or transported by road/rail/air Anything from a farm Anything made in a UK factory Very grateful to the incredible foreign professors at my uni and to the Ghanaian doctor who delivered my daughter. Their skills are invaluable here. Yes, british people can do all those things too." did you see the programme where unemployed 'brits' where put into the farming industry and most of them couldn't or didn't want to stick with it for several reasons..? | |||
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"did you see the programme where unemployed 'brits' where put into the farming industry and most of them couldn't or didn't want to stick with it for several reasons..?" and? ..... what happened? .... why couldn't/didn't they? not sure what you're getting at? | |||
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"did you see the programme where unemployed 'brits' where put into the farming industry and most of them couldn't or didn't want to stick with it for several reasons..? and? ..... what happened? .... why couldn't/didn't they? not sure what you're getting at?" They were to lazy to do it | |||
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" Very grateful to the incredible foreign professors at my uni and to the Ghanaian doctor who delivered my daughter. Their skills are invaluable here. A few years ago I heard Dennis Skinner speak at a NUM event and he made a similar comment. He said, 'if we sent anyone not white 'back home' like the fascists want, then we'd all be dead in a year, because that's a lot of doctors and nurses.' He may have been exaggerating, but there was a lot in it. "Dennis skinner would say that though wouldn't he, there aren't any foreign doctors where we live. maybe a few at the local hospital. | |||
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"did you see the programme where unemployed 'brits' where put into the farming industry and most of them couldn't or didn't want to stick with it for several reasons..? and? ..... what happened? .... why couldn't/didn't they? not sure what you're getting at?" programme was made outside a job centre where people were complaining about people from eastern europe coming and taking all the jobs.... to which the makers offered then jobs fruit picking..... the replies.... too hard/ doesn't pay enough ect ect ect... the "dirty" secret a lot of people don't like to hear is that a lot of immigrants do the jobs some don't want to do... or think it is beneath them..... | |||
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"did you see the programme where unemployed 'brits' where put into the farming industry and most of them couldn't or didn't want to stick with it for several reasons..? and? ..... what happened? .... why couldn't/didn't they? not sure what you're getting at?" as I recall most of them jacked it within a week, some openly said the work was too hard.. the eastern Europeans just cracked on with it.. now clearly it was only a small number of people who took part but it was an eye opener.. | |||
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"But Southampton Hospital is full of them, i have just spent a month there visiting a relative " Well im sure they could easily be replaced, I don't actualy live in Southampton. | |||
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"They were to lazy to do it " to be fair I think 99% of folk would buckle after 2 days of farm labouring .... 16 hour days, 7 days a week in all weathers, muck and filth..... atrocious conditions...... minimum wage or piece work(where the price per unit is reduced each time you hit your targets) and living in a freezing caravan or sharing a freezing barn with 40 other people, 1 toilet and no privcay .... it's pretty grueling whenever anyone says to me "i've worked hard to get what i've got" it makes me smirk. | |||
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"did you see the programme where unemployed 'brits' where put into the farming industry and most of them couldn't or didn't want to stick with it for several reasons..? and? ..... what happened? .... why couldn't/didn't they? not sure what you're getting at? programme was made outside a job centre where people were complaining about people from eastern europe coming and taking all the jobs.... to which the makers offered then jobs fruit picking..... the replies.... too hard/ doesn't pay enough ect ect ect... the "dirty" secret a lot of people don't like to hear is that a lot of immigrants do the jobs some don't want to do... or think it is beneath them....." Yes, its not a dirty secret though is it, people are always saying it. Just because foreigners will put up with low pay or poor working conditions doesn't mean to say british people should. | |||
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"But Southampton Hospital is full of them, i have just spent a month there visiting a relative Well im sure they could easily be replaced, I don't actualy live in Southampton." Replaced by who ? | |||
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"But Southampton Hospital is full of them, i have just spent a month there visiting a relative Well im sure they could easily be replaced, I don't actualy live in Southampton. Replaced by who ?" Other british ones of course. | |||
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"Which go abroad to work ? Do you hear of british dr's and nurses screaming for jobs in the UK they could have a job anytime they want " They don't all go abroad and some could come back here. | |||
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"Other british ones of course." if you cxan find any that haven't emigrated to australia, canada, usa etc. for economic reasons | |||
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" To that point I ask you, what are these items that your buying that you know cost less because of immigration. Also what are the new skills they bring?. Hotel rooms Food in restaurants Airfares Anything ever held in a warehouse or transported by road/rail/air Anything from a farm Anything made in a UK factory Very grateful to the incredible foreign professors at my uni and to the Ghanaian doctor who delivered my daughter. Their skills are invaluable here. " . So anything ever held in a warehouse is cheaper because of immigration and a doctor who delivered a baby is a new skill!. 1 the ethnicity or nationality of worker in a factory does not make things cheaper, that's governed by labour price and last time I looked we don't have one rate for British one rate for foreign nationals. 2 midwifery is an age old profession going back 2000+ years. | |||
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"Which go abroad to work ? Do you hear of british dr's and nurses screaming for jobs in the UK they could have a job anytime they want They don't all go abroad and some could come back here." And why don't they want to come back here ? | |||
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" To that point I ask you, what are these items that your buying that you know cost less because of immigration. Also what are the new skills they bring?. Hotel rooms Food in restaurants Airfares Anything ever held in a warehouse or transported by road/rail/air Anything from a farm Anything made in a UK factory Very grateful to the incredible foreign professors at my uni and to the Ghanaian doctor who delivered my daughter. Their skills are invaluable here. . So anything ever held in a warehouse is cheaper because of immigration and a doctor who delivered a baby is a new skill!. 1 the ethnicity or nationality of worker in a factory does not make things cheaper, that's governed by labour price and last time I looked we don't have one rate for British one rate for foreign nationals. 2 midwifery is an age old profession going back 2000+ years." | |||
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"Which go abroad to work ? Do you hear of british dr's and nurses screaming for jobs in the UK they could have a job anytime they want They don't all go abroad and some could come back here. And why don't they want to come back here ?" They might if there were less foreigners. | |||
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"But Southampton Hospital is full of them, i have just spent a month there visiting a relative Well im sure they could easily be replaced, I don't actualy live in Southampton. Replaced by who ? Other british ones of course." Have a look on NHS jobs at how many unfilled posts there are in the UK. Some regions have more trouble filling posts than others. | |||
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"Which go abroad to work ? Do you hear of british dr's and nurses screaming for jobs in the UK they could have a job anytime they want They don't all go abroad and some could come back here. And why don't they want to come back here ?" its a real puzzle.. better salaries, terms of conditions possibly and in places like Australia etc .. Brum or Brisbane, err.. | |||
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"did you see the programme where unemployed 'brits' where put into the farming industry and most of them couldn't or didn't want to stick with it for several reasons..? and? ..... what happened? .... why couldn't/didn't they? not sure what you're getting at? as I recall most of them jacked it within a week, some openly said the work was too hard.. the eastern Europeans just cracked on with it.. now clearly it was only a small number of people who took part but it was an eye opener.." . Who picked all the fruit before eastern Europeans 10 years ago then? | |||
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"Which go abroad to work ? Do you hear of british dr's and nurses screaming for jobs in the UK they could have a job anytime they want They don't all go abroad and some could come back here. And why don't they want to come back here ? its a real puzzle.. better salaries, terms of conditions possibly and in places like Australia etc .. Brum or Brisbane, err.. " so basically what it comes down to is keep the "ones" we need to keep up "your" standard of living... and send the rest back..... remember we are talking both EU and non-EU here.... and remember there are 2 million plus UK residents that work in the rest of the EU...... so are all those coming back? | |||
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"But Southampton Hospital is full of them, i have just spent a month there visiting a relative Well im sure they could easily be replaced, I don't actualy live in Southampton. Replaced by who ? Other british ones of course. Have a look on NHS jobs at how many unfilled posts there are in the UK. Some regions have more trouble filling posts than others." . British midwifes are currently struggling for jobs, even during this baby boom were currently experiencing | |||
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"Which go abroad to work ? Do you hear of british dr's and nurses screaming for jobs in the UK they could have a job anytime they want They don't all go abroad and some could come back here. And why don't they want to come back here ? They might if there were less foreigners." Believe me its the foreign Dr's that are taking the jobs | |||
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"But Southampton Hospital is full of them, i have just spent a month there visiting a relative Well im sure they could easily be replaced, I don't actualy live in Southampton. Replaced by who ? Other british ones of course. Have a look on NHS jobs at how many unfilled posts there are in the UK. Some regions have more trouble filling posts than others.. British midwifes are currently struggling for jobs, even during this baby boom were currently experiencing" I should have been more clear, the post was referring to doctors and consultants. | |||
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" So anything ever held in a warehouse is cheaper because of immigration and a doctor who delivered a baby is a new skill!. 1 the ethnicity or nationality of worker in a factory does not make things cheaper, that's governed by labour price and last time I looked we don't have one rate for British one rate for foreign nationals. 2 midwifery is an age old profession going back 2000+ years." Yes because the immigrants work harder for less money, and in my experience in the hospitality industry, don't phone in sick as much. He was an obstetrician, not a midwife and it was thankful the hospital was adequately staffed during the night at the weekend, thanks to shifts covered by skilled immigrant doctors. | |||
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"Let's play devils advocate, what constitutes been a British person ?? holding a passport that says nationality. British "Being born here to british parents. | |||
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"Which go abroad to work ? Do you hear of british dr's and nurses screaming for jobs in the UK they could have a job anytime they want They don't all go abroad and some could come back here. And why don't they want to come back here ? its a real puzzle.. better salaries, terms of conditions possibly and in places like Australia etc .. Brum or Brisbane, err.. so basically what it comes down to is keep the "ones" we need to keep up "your" standard of living... and send the rest back..... remember we are talking both EU and non-EU here.... and remember there are 2 million plus UK residents that work in the rest of the EU...... so are all those coming back?" whoa Fabio, I was just giving a perspective on why some of the NHS staff have emigrated to other countries.. the 'reckless' idea is just another ill thought out reckless idea from someone standing for a party that has little clue on most things let alone immigration.. | |||
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"Who picked all the fruit before eastern Europeans 10 years ago then?" funnily enough it was myself and my friends ..... i was an itinerant along with many others ..... John Major decided he didn't like us .... he called us "medieval brigands" and introduced a huge number of laws .... many of which prevented us from travelling from area to area following the seasonal farm work ...... the agricultural industry complained and lobbied the government and the then government decided to start a scheme whereby foreign students (mainly from eastern europe and africa) who had done well in their exams at the universities of their own countries, were allowed to come to the UK to pick seasonal fruit and veg .... the rates for piece work dropped to a quarter and has remained the same to this day | |||
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"Well they help economy for a start, they bring new skills Cheap labour as well. Which enables the cheap prices for hotels, food and consumer products which you undoubtedly enjoy. Well if we have to pay more we have to pay more don't we.
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" Who picked all the fruit before eastern Europeans 10 years ago then?" Working class Brits like me who've since decided we don't want a manual job, we want to go to uni and have careers. When was the last time you heard a kid saying 'when I grow up I want to work on a farm'. Now that British kid, regardless of background is saying 'I want to be a lawyer/journalist/entrepreneur' or similar and now more than ever the opportunities are there. | |||
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Being born here to british parents."Really so because i was born here and i have a british passport spent my whole like here educated here work here I am not British because my parents were born were born in India. I SHOULD FUCK OFF BACK HOME !!!!!! | |||
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" So anything ever held in a warehouse is cheaper because of immigration and a doctor who delivered a baby is a new skill!. 1 the ethnicity or nationality of worker in a factory does not make things cheaper, that's governed by labour price and last time I looked we don't have one rate for British one rate for foreign nationals. 2 midwifery is an age old profession going back 2000+ years. Yes because the immigrants work harder for less money, and in my experience in the hospitality industry, don't phone in sick as much. He was an obstetrician, not a midwife and it was thankful the hospital was adequately staffed during the night at the weekend, thanks to shifts covered by skilled immigrant doctors. " . That's the most outrageous racist comment I've ever heard. I asked for a new skill that immigration had brought, you said delivering my baby, I said what!. You now claim everybody born here is a lazy fucker or ill and that only foreign nationals are capable of waiting tables without being ill... You see to me, your argument seems prejudiced. | |||
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"Hilda Lesways - I would like to know should i fuck off back home ??? Can you tell me where my home is please !!!" If you will allow me, I will answer that question, and as most of the people on here know I'm a UKIP member The answer is HERE, you were born here. Sits watches and smiles | |||
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"Let's play devils advocate, what constitutes been a British person ?? holding a passport that says nationality. British
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"Who picked all the fruit before eastern Europeans 10 years ago then? funnily enough it was myself and my friends ..... i was an itinerant along with many others ..... John Major decided he didn't like us .... he called us "medieval brigands" and introduced a huge number of laws .... many of which prevented us from travelling from area to area following the seasonal farm work ...... the agricultural industry complained and lobbied the government and the then government decided to start a scheme whereby foreign students (mainly from eastern europe and africa) who had done well in their exams at the universities of their own countries, were allowed to come to the UK to pick seasonal fruit and veg .... the rates for piece work dropped to a quarter and has remained the same to this day
the fact that you've liked this post leads me to believe that you've totally missed the point of it
foreigners didn't "take my job" ... the tory government made my way of life illegal and stopped me from doing my job".No you hit it bang on. It's got fuck all to do with somebody doing something better, and it's got nothing to do with nationalism or race and the apparent myth that we wouldn't do the job. It's just what business wants because it's easier. It's easier to nick someone else's trained staff than train your own, it's easier to bullshit some Romanian on the benefits of sleeping 40 in a shed and working 18hr days. And it's easier for governments to pull your lots pants down, while your busy swapping bollocks about which nationality can pick Strawberry's best. | |||
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" So anything ever held in a warehouse is cheaper because of immigration and a doctor who delivered a baby is a new skill!. 1 the ethnicity or nationality of worker in a factory does not make things cheaper, that's governed by labour price and last time I looked we don't have one rate for British one rate for foreign nationals. 2 midwifery is an age old profession going back 2000+ years. Yes because the immigrants work harder for less money, and in my experience in the hospitality industry, don't phone in sick as much. He was an obstetrician, not a midwife and it was thankful the hospital was adequately staffed during the night at the weekend, thanks to shifts covered by skilled immigrant doctors. . That's the most outrageous racist comment I've ever heard. I asked for a new skill that immigration had brought, you said delivering my baby, I said what!. You now claim everybody born here is a lazy fucker or ill and that only foreign nationals are capable of waiting tables without being ill... You see to me, your argument seems prejudiced. " | |||
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"And there are no british thieves Yes but we prefer to call them Politicians " so as a you are a member of a political party aren't you aiding and abetting in the comission of the crime of theft? | |||
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Being born here to british parents.
Really so because i was born here and i have a british passport spent my whole like here educated here work here I am not British because my parents were born were born in India. I SHOULD FUCK OFF BACK HOME !!!!!! "Following Hilda's logic, I should also leave as I am Irish descent. What a merry funk the UK would be in if we all left.........Maybe we should, just for a laugh | |||
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Really so because i was born here and i have a british passport spent my whole like here educated here work here I am not British because my parents were born were born in India. I SHOULD FUCK OFF BACK HOME !!!!!!
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"And there are no british thieves Yes but we prefer to call them Politicians so as a you are a member of a political party aren't you aiding and abetting in the comission of the crime of theft? "In the eyes of the law yes. but then the same could be said for any one that votes. Bloody hell, I hope I aint the first test case brought to court | |||
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"Hilda Lesways - I would like to know should i fuck off back home ??? Can you tell me where my home is please !!! If you will allow me, I will answer that question, and as most of the people on here know I'm a UKIP member The answer is HERE, you were born here. Sits watches and smiles" that may be the response from farage... but that wan't the answer given by reckless...... so who do we listen to??? and thats half the problem with ukip where it can look as if you are talking out of both sides of your face to appease everyone.... anyway... was much more interested to hear hilda's answer..... because i reckon most ukip voters would likely go with that she was inferring, than what you are.... | |||
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"Let's play devils advocate, what constitutes been a British person ?? holding a passport that says nationality. British
Being born here to british parents.
Really so because i was born here and i have a british passport spent my whole like here educated here work here I am not British because my parents were born were born in India. I SHOULD FUCK OFF BACK HOME !!!!!!
Following Hilda's logic, I should also leave as I am Irish descent. What a merry funk the UK would be in if we all left.........Maybe we should, just for a laugh "I have no bloody chance then since I am technically a US national... even though my mum (god bless her) was a UK passport holder) | |||
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"UKIP are no different to the BNP in my eyes Yes they different they are far more popular
Not at all just the same racist scum bag same as the EDL etc just dressed in different clothes
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Seems like the lefties are getting a bit rattled. "They'll be even more rattled on friday morning when UKIP win again, it'll be Mark Reckless UKIP MP. Its more or less in the bag, UKIP are miles ahead in the opinion polls for rochester. | |||
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"Let's play devils advocate, what constitutes been a British person ?? holding a passport that says nationality. British
Being born here to british parents.
And what if there British parents are of foreign decent then, I think you'll find large populations of your country are made up of the people UKIP want to ship out"I don't believe ukip or any party want to kick anybody out, that is part of the hysterical nonsense that is actually helping ukip. | |||
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"UKIP are no different to the BNP in my eyes Yes they different they are far more popular
Not at all just the same racist scum bag same as the EDL etc just dressed in different clothes
PMSL.
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Seems like the lefties are getting a bit rattled.
They'll be even more rattled on friday morning when UKIP win again, it'll be Mark Reckless UKIP MP. Its more or less in the bag, UKIP are miles ahead in the opinion polls for rochester. " | |||
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The roman wall is south of us(just)so we can call you all immigrant offspring in reality .
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" I don't believe ukip or any party want to kick anybody out, that is part of the hysterical nonsense that is actually helping ukip. " this is a transcript of what mark reckless actually said... Q: ‘What would happen Mark Reckless if we left the European Union. What would happen for instance to the Polish plumber who lives in Rochester. Would he be able to stay, would he have to go back?’ Reckless: ‘Well, I think in the near term we’d have to have a transitional period, and I think we should probably allow people who are currently here to have a work permit at least for a fixed period.’ Q: ‘Forgive me, if there’s a Polish plumber who for instance has got a house, got a family, got kids at a local school, are you going to deport him and his family?’ Reckless: ‘I think people who have been here a long time and integrated in that way I think we’d want to look sympathetically at. But what we’d want to do is new people coming in [interrupted by laughs from the crowd]…what we’d want to do is to look at new people coming in and apply a consistent, Australian-style point system and the same to people coming from Europe as we do to those coming from say the Commonwealth, from Australia, Africa, India, the Caribbean. We shouldn’t have a discriminatory system which favours Europeans against people from the outside. | |||
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Not at all just the same racist scum bag same as the EDL etc just dressed in different clothes
PMSL.
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Seems like the lefties are getting a bit rattled.
They'll be even more rattled on friday morning when UKIP win again, it'll be Mark Reckless UKIP MP. Its more or less in the bag, UKIP are miles ahead in the opinion polls for rochester. "wasn't it a conservative held seat before he defected..? which would suggest its the tories who will be thinking, who next? granted that ukip will take votes off labour as shown in middleton? | |||
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" I don't believe ukip or any party want to kick anybody out, that is part of the hysterical nonsense that is actually helping ukip. this is a transcript of what mark reckless actually said... Q: ‘What would happen Mark Reckless if we left the European Union. What would happen for instance to the Polish plumber who lives in Rochester. Would he be able to stay, would he have to go back?’ Reckless: ‘Well, I think in the near term we’d have to have a transitional period, and I think we should probably allow people who are currently here to have a work permit at least for a fixed period.’ Q: ‘Forgive me, if there’s a Polish plumber who for instance has got a house, got a family, got kids at a local school, are you going to deport him and his family?’ Reckless: ‘I think people who have been here a long time and integrated in that way I think we’d want to look sympathetically at. But what we’d want to do is new people coming in [interrupted by laughs from the crowd]…what we’d want to do is to look at new people coming in and apply a consistent, Australian-style point system and the same to people coming from Europe as we do to those coming from say the Commonwealth, from Australia, Africa, India, the Caribbean. We shouldn’t have a discriminatory system which favours Europeans against people from the outside." I don't see anything wrong with what he said there. Much of it seems like basic common sense to me. What do you take issue with? Fact is the current levels of immigration in the uk are too high, schools and hospitals and other public services are creaking under the strain of numbers, yes some immigration is needed but it needs to be controlled and much lower numbers allowed in. An australian style points based system is what we need so we can control the numbers and let those in whose skills we need. The current Open door and let everybody in is really not working. | |||
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"Its really funny reading this as Hilda Lesways part of Britain has been invaded and settled in by most of europe. How any white "british" person can class themselves as pure is beyond me..lol
The roman wall is south of us(just)so we can call you all immigrant offspring in reality .
The small mindedness regarding immigrants is usually from someone that has rarely left there own small towns"You may call it small mindedness, but I disagree there are plenty of others who feel the same way as I do, all over the country. | |||
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"UKIP are no different to the BNP in my eyes Yes they different they are far more popular
Not at all just the same racist scum bag same as the EDL etc just dressed in different clothes
PMSL.
The easiest way to know when you have won an argument is when the other side start chucking in the insults and untruths.
Seems like the lefties are getting a bit rattled.
They'll be even more rattled on friday morning when UKIP win again, it'll be Mark Reckless UKIP MP. Its more or less in the bag, UKIP are miles ahead in the opinion polls for rochester.
wasn't it a conservative held seat before he defected..?
which would suggest its the tories who will be thinking, who next?
granted that ukip will take votes off labour as shown in middleton?
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" I don't believe ukip or any party want to kick anybody out, that is part of the hysterical nonsense that is actually helping ukip. this is a transcript of what mark reckless actually said... Q: ‘What would happen Mark Reckless if we left the European Union. What would happen for instance to the Polish plumber who lives in Rochester. Would he be able to stay, would he have to go back?’ Reckless: ‘Well, I think in the near term we’d have to have a transitional period, and I think we should probably allow people who are currently here to have a work permit at least for a fixed period.’ Q: ‘Forgive me, if there’s a Polish plumber who for instance has got a house, got a family, got kids at a local school, are you going to deport him and his family?’ Reckless: ‘I think people who have been here a long time and integrated in that way I think we’d want to look sympathetically at. But what we’d want to do is new people coming in [interrupted by laughs from the crowd]…what we’d want to do is to look at new people coming in and apply a consistent, Australian-style point system and the same to people coming from Europe as we do to those coming from say the Commonwealth, from Australia, Africa, India, the Caribbean. We shouldn’t have a discriminatory system which favours Europeans against people from the outside. I don't see anything wrong with what he said there. Much of it seems like basic common sense to me. What do you take issue with? Fact is the current levels of immigration in the uk are too high, schools and hospitals and other public services are creaking under the strain of numbers, yes some immigration is needed but it needs to be controlled and much lower numbers allowed in. An australian style points based system is what we need so we can control the numbers and let those in whose skills we need. The current Open door and let everybody in is really not working. " | |||
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" I don't believe ukip or any party want to kick anybody out, that is part of the hysterical nonsense that is actually helping ukip. this is a transcript of what mark reckless actually said... Q: ‘What would happen Mark Reckless if we left the European Union. What would happen for instance to the Polish plumber who lives in Rochester. Would he be able to stay, would he have to go back?’ Reckless: ‘Well, I think in the near term we’d have to have a transitional period, and I think we should probably allow people who are currently here to have a work permit at least for a fixed period.’ Q: ‘Forgive me, if there’s a Polish plumber who for instance has got a house, got a family, got kids at a local school, are you going to deport him and his family?’ Reckless: ‘I think people who have been here a long time and integrated in that way I think we’d want to look sympathetically at. But what we’d want to do is new people coming in [interrupted by laughs from the crowd]…what we’d want to do is to look at new people coming in and apply a consistent, Australian-style point system and the same to people coming from Europe as we do to those coming from say the Commonwealth, from Australia, Africa, India, the Caribbean. We shouldn’t have a discriminatory system which favours Europeans against people from the outside. I don't see anything wrong with what he said there. Much of it seems like basic common sense to me. What do you take issue with? Fact is the current levels of immigration in the uk are too high, schools and hospitals and other public services are creaking under the strain of numbers, yes some immigration is needed but it needs to be controlled and much lower numbers allowed in. An australian style points based system is what we need so we can control the numbers and let those in whose skills we need. The current Open door and let everybody in is really not working. " just so I don't get accused of putting words in your mouth... you agree with "‘Well, I think in the near term we’d have to have a transitional period, and I think we should probably allow people who are currently here to have a work permit at least for a fixed period.’" then what..... home if the uk doesn't need you??????? "Australian-style point system and the same to people coming from Europe as we do to those coming from say the Commonwealth, from Australia, Africa, India, the Caribbean." so you sending home everyone who doesn't get a work permit.... the french, the spanish, the italians, the germanys, the dutch, the irish???????? | |||
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" I don't believe ukip or any party want to kick anybody out, that is part of the hysterical nonsense that is actually helping ukip. this is a transcript of what mark reckless actually said... Q: ‘What would happen Mark Reckless if we left the European Union. What would happen for instance to the Polish plumber who lives in Rochester. Would he be able to stay, would he have to go back?’ Reckless: ‘Well, I think in the near term we’d have to have a transitional period, and I think we should probably allow people who are currently here to have a work permit at least for a fixed period.’ Q: ‘Forgive me, if there’s a Polish plumber who for instance has got a house, got a family, got kids at a local school, are you going to deport him and his family?’ Reckless: ‘I think people who have been here a long time and integrated in that way I think we’d want to look sympathetically at. But what we’d want to do is new people coming in [interrupted by laughs from the crowd]…what we’d want to do is to look at new people coming in and apply a consistent, Australian-style point system and the same to people coming from Europe as we do to those coming from say the Commonwealth, from Australia, Africa, India, the Caribbean. We shouldn’t have a discriminatory system which favours Europeans against people from the outside." It is there for everyone to read and see, no argument, however, because one person says it does not make it policy. I've read enough of your posts to know that you know that!! How often do politicians of any party disagree and argue against their own parties policies? You know it is very often! You also know that the ukip resolve was stiffened by the outrageous assertions that people were making about totally fictitious ukip policies during the euro elections. Unless people start to take them seriously and argue against their real policies (available on their website) they will continue to grow in support. Even Bojo and milliband have seemingly adopted ukip policy on immigration because the bandwagon was not challenged! The Labour Party took around 28 years from getting their first MP to forming their first coalition government. I believe ukip will beat that record if people don't stop all this hysterical nonsense and actually take them on! | |||
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" I don't believe ukip or any party want to kick anybody out, that is part of the hysterical nonsense that is actually helping ukip. this is a transcript of what mark reckless actually said... Q: ‘What would happen Mark Reckless if we left the European Union. What would happen for instance to the Polish plumber who lives in Rochester. Would he be able to stay, would he have to go back?’ Reckless: ‘Well, I think in the near term we’d have to have a transitional period, and I think we should probably allow people who are currently here to have a work permit at least for a fixed period.’ Q: ‘Forgive me, if there’s a Polish plumber who for instance has got a house, got a family, got kids at a local school, are you going to deport him and his family?’ Reckless: ‘I think people who have been here a long time and integrated in that way I think we’d want to look sympathetically at. But what we’d want to do is new people coming in [interrupted by laughs from the crowd]…what we’d want to do is to look at new people coming in and apply a consistent, Australian-style point system and the same to people coming from Europe as we do to those coming from say the Commonwealth, from Australia, Africa, India, the Caribbean. We shouldn’t have a discriminatory system which favours Europeans against people from the outside. I don't see anything wrong with what he said there. Much of it seems like basic common sense to me. What do you take issue with? Fact is the current levels of immigration in the uk are too high, schools and hospitals and other public services are creaking under the strain of numbers, yes some immigration is needed but it needs to be controlled and much lower numbers allowed in. An australian style points based system is what we need so we can control the numbers and let those in whose skills we need. The current Open door and let everybody in is really not working. just so I don't get accused of putting words in your mouth... you agree with "‘Well, I think in the near term we’d have to have a transitional period, and I think we should probably allow people who are currently here to have a work permit at least for a fixed period.’" then what..... home if the uk doesn't need you??????? "Australian-style point system and the same to people coming from Europe as we do to those coming from say the Commonwealth, from Australia, Africa, India, the Caribbean." so you sending home everyone who doesn't get a work permit.... the french, the spanish, the italians, the germanys, the dutch, the irish????????" Yes i've said it before on other threads and i'll say it again here, i'd like to see an australian style points based immigration system in this country. If you want to let everyone in and let them all settle here what are your plans to deal with the crisis in the Nhs and schools and other public services struggling under the strain of weight of numbers and demand increasing on those services? Would you increase taxes to prop up those services then, build more schools, more roads, more hospitals etc, because that is what will be needed with an open door. UKIP does'nt want to stop all immigration, some immigration will still be needed to fill gaps in the skills we need to import, if you are suggesting UKIP will stop all immigration then you are talking nonsense. | |||
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"Its really funny reading this as Hilda Lesways part of Britain has been invaded and settled in by most of europe. How any white "british" person can class themselves as pure is beyond me..lol
The roman wall is south of us(just)so we can call you all immigrant offspring in reality .
The small mindedness regarding immigrants is usually from someone that has rarely left there own small towns
You may call it small mindedness, but I disagree there are plenty of others who feel the same way as I do, all over the country."I wonder how far back you would have to trace your family tree before you realised how stupid your posts are making you look | |||
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" You also know that the ukip resolve was stiffened by the outrageous assertions that people were making about totally fictitious ukip policies during the euro elections. Unless people start to take them seriously and argue against their real policies (available on their website) they will continue to grow in support. Even Bojo and milliband have seemingly adopted ukip policy on immigration because the bandwagon was not challenged! The Labour Party took around 28 years from getting their first MP to forming their first coalition government. I believe ukip will beat that record if people don't stop all this hysterical nonsense and actually take them on!" Totally agree with this. UKIP are riding this immigration argument which seems to get people going but some of their other policies are truly abhorrent. Social housing priority for those whose grandparents and parents were local?! This is a BNP policy and blatantly discriminates against the British born children of immigrants. Legalisation of handguns?! I think this more than any other policy would be the reason I'll leave if they're ever in power. Have they seen how many kids get shot in America each year?! Many accidentally. So if under a UKIP government if the immigrants don't want to leave we can threaten to shoot them until they do!? | |||
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"Just out of interest, where would you go if handguns were made legal? There are very few countries where they're currently illegal to own privately under any circumstances - China and South Korea come to mind. Other shitholes are available "i hear canada, cyprus and japan are nice this time of year .... | |||
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"You couldn't make this up!!
well he was a conservative named reckless before.... so maybe he is just ahead of the curve.....
I thought this thread would be more about the comments he made on the hustings the other night about how all non-british citizens may need work permits or may be asked to leave the country......
but this is a start.... carry on mr reckless......
cant understand all this wanting work permits, where do these people get off.
LET EVERYONE IN. LET EM ALL CLAIM BENIFITS . LET EM ALL HAVE AN HOUSE EACH.
erm hold it wont work.
Point system like australian works fine it seems
Lets start it here
We do not have vote in a bunch of racist, egotistical misogynists to achieve sensible immigration reform." | |||
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"Its really funny reading this as Hilda Lesways part of Britain has been invaded and settled in by most of europe. How any white "british" person can class themselves as pure is beyond me..lol
The roman wall is south of us(just)so we can call you all immigrant offspring in reality .
The small mindedness regarding immigrants is usually from someone that has rarely left there own small towns
You may call it small mindedness, but I disagree there are plenty of others who feel the same way as I do, all over the country.I wonder how far back you would have to trace your family tree before you realised how stupid your posts are making you look"My posts don't make me look anymore stupid than yours do, but your entitled to you opinion same as I am.  | |||
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Before that he was a Tory MP, named Reckless.
famous for being a d*unk too by all accounts in the newspapers"Was'nt a Labour MP arrested for being d*unk and brawling in the house of commons bar in 2013? The falkirk Labour MP called Eric Joyce, a lot of MPs drink but it seems this Labour one likes to brawl when hes had a drink aswel. | |||
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"Just out of interest, where would you go if handguns were made legal? There are very few countries where they're currently illegal to own privately under any circumstances - China and South Korea come to mind. Other shitholes are available
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" You also know that the ukip resolve was stiffened by the outrageous assertions that people were making about totally fictitious ukip policies during the euro elections. Unless people start to take them seriously and argue against their real policies (available on their website) they will continue to grow in support. Even Bojo and milliband have seemingly adopted ukip policy on immigration because the bandwagon was not challenged! The Labour Party took around 28 years from getting their first MP to forming their first coalition government. I believe ukip will beat that record if people don't stop all this hysterical nonsense and actually take them on! Totally agree with this. UKIP are riding this immigration argument which seems to get people going but some of their other policies are truly abhorrent. Social housing priority for those whose grandparents and parents were local?! This is a BNP policy and blatantly discriminates against the British born children of immigrants. Legalisation of handguns?! I think this more than any other policy would be the reason I'll leave if they're ever in power. Have they seen how many kids get shot in America each year?! Many accidentally. So if under a UKIP government if the immigrants don't want to leave we can threaten to shoot them until they do!? Where did you find these policies? I can't find them on their website." The gun thing is probably a bit contentious for their site but Google 'UKIP guns' and you'll see it was all over the news. The other is on there on the 'issues' page. | |||
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"Hilda Lesways - I would like to know should i fuck off back home ??? Can you tell me where my home is please !!! If you will allow me, I will answer that question, and as most of the people on here know I'm a UKIP member The answer is HERE, you were born here. Sits watches and smiles that may be the response from farage... but that wan't the answer given by reckless...... so who do we listen to??? and thats half the problem with ukip where it can look as if you are talking out of both sides of your face to appease everyone.... anyway... was much more interested to hear hilda's answer..... because i reckon most ukip voters would likely go with that she was inferring, than what you are.... "Fabio Everyone knows I don't tell lies 
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Before that he was a Tory MP, named Reckless.
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Before that he was a Tory MP, named Reckless.
famous for being a d*unk too by all accounts in the newspapers
Will all those who have never had a drink or two too many, please leave the room.
Sits watches smiles"normally that would be a smart alec comment..... however...... in this case he actually missed a vital vote on the Budget because he was d*unk in the house of commons bar.... too d*unk to vote! I'll almost forgive the fact that during that episode that he was also repremanded for being abusive to other mp's as well so would you like to call it "d*unk whilst being on the job"..... and ask it again???? | |||
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"Which go abroad to work ? Do you hear of british dr's and nurses screaming for jobs in the UK they could have a job anytime they want They don't all go abroad and some could come back here. And why don't they want to come back here ? They might if there were less foreigners." Hilda..u talk some utter fucking pish sometimes... | |||
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"You couldn't make this up!!
Before that he was a Tory MP, named Reckless.
famous for being a d*unk too by all accounts in the newspapers
Will all those who have never had a drink or two too many, please leave the room.
Sits watches smiles
normally that would be a smart alec comment.....
however......
in this case he actually missed a vital vote on the Budget because he was d*unk in the house of commons bar.... too d*unk to vote!
I'll almost forgive the fact that during that episode that he was also repremanded for being abusive to other mp's as well
so would you like to call it "d*unk whilst being on the job"..... and ask it again????"I don't think Mark Reckless was arrested though, Eric Joyce the Labour MP for falkirk was arrested for being d*unk and disorderly and assault, brawling in the house of commons bar. | |||
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"Hilda Lesways - I would like to know should i fuck off back home ??? Can you tell me where my home is please !!! If you will allow me, I will answer that question, and as most of the people on here know I'm a UKIP member The answer is HERE, you were born here. Sits watches and smiles that may be the response from farage... but that wan't the answer given by reckless...... so who do we listen to??? and thats half the problem with ukip where it can look as if you are talking out of both sides of your face to appease everyone.... anyway... was much more interested to hear hilda's answer..... because i reckon most ukip voters would likely go with that she was inferring, than what you are....
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"You couldn't make this up!!
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The falkirk Labour MP called Eric Joyce, a lot of MPs drink but it seems this Labour one likes to brawl when hes had a drink aswel. "he is one of a number of d*unks at westminster doubtless to say, but it doesn't alter the notoriety he has for being a d*unk who would rather be a barfly than go to vote on important issues | |||
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"The issue for this country is not immigration, it is the rate of population growth that has not been matched by an appropriate investment in infrastructure. " | |||
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"Hilda Lesways - also i suppose i shouldnt have married a native islander and mixed race children should i take them home with me ? or can they stay with there mother who has as you call it true british parents Hilda lesways I think you my dear are a facist. And we know what crimes the facists have been responsible for. To think we have spent a month remembers those who fought fasicm ". I suggest you read more if you've spent a month thinking about fascism and you think she's fascist. To be honest I'm starting to think people Bandar words around they've read in a newspaper, your a fascist, your a communist, what because they disagree with your train of thought. As technical definition of fascism it doesn't require someone to be racist, in fact most modern day corporations fit the definition better than ukip members. | |||
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"Well they help economy for a start, they bring new skills Cheap labour as well. Which enables the cheap prices for hotels, food and consumer products which you undoubtedly enjoy. Well if we have to pay more we have to pay more don't we.
Yes prices go up, people buy less and the economy slows. Businesses fail or downsize, job losses, even less spending......
Basic economics. "I question this. Basic, Keynesian economics shows that lower wages causes deflation. In a time where we are struggling, deflation is a bad thing. We need inflationary measures to offset the public spending cutbacks which are themselves deflationary. Historically, economies that indulge in protectionism thrive in tough economic times. America did under Clinton in the nineties, Australia has done so in the last few years, since 2008, while much of the rest of the world struggled. Deflation leads to recession. The Government has recently warned the economy here and in Europe is on the verge of further recession. Being part of a united Europe has caused many problems for many countries. It continues to do so. A single European currency has always been a fundamentally flawed idea, as, I would suggest, is the idea of a single market. Immigration may bring certain skills, but surely this is most beneficial when a points system is used, thereby ensuring that only certain people, with needed skills, to avoid skills shortages and bottlenecks, are allowed entry to Britain? We can stop entry to Britain for a chat up artist but not a convicted killer who then proceeds to murder a schoolgirl whilst here? Madness. It was suggested above that we don't need UKIP to have politicians sort of immigration. The main parties have had years to address the issue and have failed to do do. Hence many are swayed when someone like Farage comes along. I have doubts over UKIP but welcome any diversity, left or right wing and even liberal, that makes for a more interesting political spectrum. It gets people talking and thinking, which can only be good. | |||
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