FabSwingers.com forum: Ed Miliband

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Potentially good PM or calamitous liability?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

I look at all 3 of the 'main' parties and also farage and I think they have not got the foggiest idea..

maybe we do get the politicians we deserve..?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I look at all 3 of the 'main' parties and also farage and I think they have not got the foggiest idea..

maybe we do get the politicians we deserve..?"

I don't feel represented by any of them.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I look at all 3 of the 'main' parties and also farage and I think they have not got the foggiest idea..

maybe we do get the politicians we deserve..?"

We have. We want middle of the road and that is what we have.

I don't vote on Strictly and Judy is still in. Can I complain that Judy hasn't been booted out when I have done nothing about changing things.

I have always said the wrong brother got in but I wasn't involved in that vote either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Potentially good PM or calamitous liability?"

A disastrous prospect!

Aside for the fact that every successive Labour government since the second world war has over spent and over taxed and ruined our economy....

He won't give the people of the nation a say on European membership.

Reckons he can sort out the NHS, despite the fact that in Wales, where it is run by Labour, the NHS is in crisis.

With Ed Balls, was adviser to Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling during their tenures as chancellor - proving he had NO idea about running a successful economy.

Would have paid the 1.7 billion to the EU without question.

Apart from all that, he just looks out of his depth all of the time.

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By *ucky1Man
over a year ago

a straightjacket

Milliband is a joke, god help us if he gets the hotseat.... I'd feel happier with Gordon the gopher in charge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't feel represented by any of them.

Neither do i.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Milliband is a joke, god help us if he gets the hotseat.... I'd feel happier with Gordon the gopher in charge

Or Kermit the Frog. Oh no scrub that, Kermit probably wouldn't be able to stand as he's American.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I look at all 3 of the 'main' parties and also farage and I think they have not got the foggiest idea..

maybe we do get the politicians we deserve..?

We have. We want middle of the road and that is what we have.

I don't vote on Strictly and Judy is still in. Can I complain that Judy hasn't been booted out when I have done nothing about changing things.

I have always said the wrong brother got in but I wasn't involved in that vote either.

my point abut getting whom we deserve was more about the appalling apathy and lack of participation and yes I would agree we have by and large mostly huddled around the centre..

I personally believe it should be compulsory to vote, we take the privilege far too lightly..

ditto on the brother..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hoped this was a RIP

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I'm not sure Ed is the man. I voted for David (and I'm not unconvinced he's gone for ever) but I still think Labour will win in 2015 - more due to the difficulties being faced by others than any brilliance on our part.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Potentially good PM or calamitous liability?"

Somewhat likeable as in the same way as a puppy with a limp but as a politician he comes across as lightweight and not the persona ofa guy you want to fight your corner.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I'm not sure Ed is the man. I voted for David (and I'm not unconvinced he's gone for ever) but I still think Labour will win in 2015 - more due to the difficulties being faced by others than any brilliance on our part."

I think we will have a Tory government that will go it alone, even with the thinnest of margins. It will be harder for them to hold to a five year Parliament though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my point abut getting whom we deserve was more about the appalling apathy and lack of participation and yes I would agree we have by and large mostly huddled around the centre..

I personally believe it should be compulsory to vote, we take the privilege far too lightly..

ditto on the brother.."

I also believe it should be compulsory - but I also accept and understand that the right to vote is also the right NOT to vote (though why they can't have a 'None of the Above' box on ballot papers I'll never know)

I find it ironic when people who don't vote (for whatever reason) complain about anything that comes under government control.

Love him or loath him, I can actually see Boris Johnson as a future PM.

He may come across as a buffoon, but is actually a very clever and smart man - and what's more, unlike Cameron, Clegg and Millipede, he has a great personality and is popular!

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Potentially good PM or calamitous liability?"
Most definitely the latter

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Labour are going to have a huge challenge to win in 2015. The loss of seats in Scotland looks inevitable and with UKIP taking votes from all sides the outcome in key marginals looks very uncertain. Ed seems to lack the popular appeal to see Labour get over the line (in much the same way as Cameron failed to connect with voters in the last election to secure a Tory majority).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Labour are going to have a huge challenge to win in 2015. The loss of seats in Scotland looks inevitable and with UKIP taking votes from all sides the outcome in key marginals looks very uncertain. Ed seems to lack the popular appeal to see Labour get over the line (in much the same way as Cameron failed to connect with voters in the last election to secure a Tory majority). "

This is why Labour are opposed to the 'English votes for English laws' idea, because they are dependent on Scottish seats (and the lack of popularity of the Conservatives north of the border) to secure an overall majority.

One thing that I just can't help thinking when we hear David Cameron blabbing out his 'Labour WON'T give you a referendum and UKIP CAN'T give you a referendum' catchphrase is that he seems to forget that the Labour Party started has only been around since 1900. Before then, the two main parties were the Conservatives and the Liberals.

It was during the 1920's that they overtook the Liberal Party as the main challenger to the Conservatives.

UKIP was founded in 1993 - so has been around for 21 years now.

I don't think Cameron, Millipede or Cleggy Weggy should underestimate UKIP.

Not saying we should all vote UKIP by the way.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I think he's likely the best of the main part leaders and prefer voting not to be like a celebrity contest.

Not sure which party I'm voting for yet another and none of the leaders are my local mp

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I don't think he's caught on with the popular imagination

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By *MaleMan
over a year ago

Russell Brand will save the day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Russell Brand will save the day

By encouraging people NOT to vote?

The guy is a pratt!

Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for him in regard to his views on drug rehabilitation, but don't agree with him on this one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suspect Kier Hardy would rotate in his grave if he realised that the workers' party he founded is being run by millionaire professional politician.

It is also true, the Westminister Elite have no idea what the lives of ordinary people are like. Next time they say "Time for a change!" we should tell them to resign en mass!!

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"Russell Brand will save the day

Parklife!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always thought David would make a better Labour leader then his brother Eddie, as for the general election, Eddie's backbone needs to be tested as it looks like a stiff breeze would knock him over.

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

At this stage a vote for Ed would be a vote for Unite... back to three day weeks and strikes every time a union member was accussed of any wrong doing by management.

He wouldn't have the the strength to stand up to his paymasters...

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

I ment Unison...doh..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Chuka Umunna

Watch this space

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my point abut getting whom we deserve was more about the appalling apathy and lack of participation and yes I would agree we have by and large mostly huddled around the centre..

I personally believe it should be compulsory to vote, we take the privilege far too lightly..

ditto on the brother..

I find it ironic when people who don't vote (for whatever reason) complain about anything that comes under government control.

Love him or loath him, I can actually see Boris Johnson as a future PM.

He may come across as a buffoon, but is actually a very clever and smart man - and what's more, unlike Cameron, Clegg and Millipede, he has a great personality and is popular!"

Popular with a certain type, lots more think he's a hideous oaf who loves his public image more than anything!! Look at his attendances, if the press and world leaders are there so is Boris, if it's a less glamour occasion off goes the deputy or a "represntative"! If he gets in I'll start manning the lifeboats, even Clegg is preferable to that prat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At this stage a vote for Ed would be a vote for Unite... back to three day weeks and strikes every time a union member was accussed of any wrong doing by management.

He wouldn't have the the strength to stand up to his paymasters...

Absolute rubbish, typical daily mail scaremongering

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I'm voting for the party, not the leader.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"I'm voting for the party, not the leader. "

Same here!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm voting for the party, not the leader.

Same here!

Vote Green Party!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm voting for the party, not the leader. "

Lefty

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"I'm voting for the party, not the leader. "

Yeah, but its his rubbery mug we'll have to look at for 5 years

I'm voting Green. They won't win, but I'll feel happier about my vote this time round.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Much much more electable if he was called Steve.

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By *heartsasoneCouple
over a year ago

pdi winter hols.

Our whole country is up the creek the PM is a joke with no idea what he is doing and his new terrorist policy is not hard enough.

Now they have cut the forces back they suddenly notice not enough people have joined the reserve so are looking at calling over 50's up to join the reserve or cannon fodder I did 22 yrs not going back for no support.

And as for millipede I could dress myself and tie a tie when I was 5 he looked a right loser yesterday God help us all

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By *icefellatwoMan
over a year ago

hastings

A typical labour party shoot there self's

in the foot. The man has no charisma and is unelectable and the backbenchers are just starting to realize it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The unions ensured that Ed was made leader as they thought they could control him

If David had been elected then I think Labour would be taken seriously

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

card carrying red here, can't see how anyne can't vote for those other bastards let alone UKipeers..... but he's not a good leader. full stop. curb appeal works in the 21 century and he has very little.

prepare yourself for 5 more years of tory hell.

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By *icefellatwoMan
over a year ago

hastings

"card carrying red here, can't see how anyne can't vote for those other bastards let alone UKipeers..... but he's not a good leader. full stop. curb appeal works in the 21 century and he has very little.

prepare yourself for 5 more years of tory hell."

Yes mostly caused by Blair

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A complete bellend.

Saw him on tv last night.

Looked so awkward.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not about politics any more, it's about marketability

Got no faith in any of the leaders (or the parties for that matter) and certainly don't feel represented by them at all

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

"Yes mostly caused by Blair

would take Blair over any of those out there right now......

@ least he had some statesman like qualities... and at least we had some social movement under labour. what have we had the last 5 years? Oh I know, bashing of the poorest in society.. now that's fair ?????

vote tory if you are foolish enough too, but don't fucking complain if there's no support system in place if you, your family or friends need it......

bastards sold off the family silver in the 80's, knackered any force of power the unions/working classes held and now we reap the rewards...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes mostly caused by Blair

would take Blair over any of those out there right now......

vote tory if you are foolish enough too, but don't fucking complain if there's no support system in place if you, your family or friends need it......

bastards sold off the family silver in the 80's, knackered any force of power the unions/working classes held and now we reap the rewards..."

When you say you would take Blair over any of the others, I hope you mean politically and not sexually.

Call me crazy, but I couldn't concentrate in the middle of a gang bang with him perpetually grinning at me and making excuses for his poor performance.

"Look, I'm sorry I couldn't get an erection, it was the conservatives' fault."

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

"I hope you mean politically and not sexually.

now thats for em to know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes mostly caused by Blair

would take Blair over any of those out there right now......

vote tory if you are foolish enough too, but don't fucking complain if there's no support system in place if you, your family or friends need it......

bastards sold off the family silver in the 80's, knackered any force of power the unions/working classes held and now we reap the rewards..."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem with British politics is the public only get to vote for a party. The party then elect a leader so although you may support the party line in general the leader could put you off.

I believe party politics is outdated and not fit for purpose as it just becomed a 5 year bun fight with esch blaming the other for any problems.

Why dont we move to where people in a constituency vote for the person they want to represent them in parliment and then once decided a second vote by the public to elect a leader from the elected represetetives.

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

"second vote by the public to elect a leader from the elected represetetives."

a "leader" without power would just be pointless wouldn't it?

We could end up with some wizz kid as PM but not working for the party with the majority of votes? the PM has no extra power as such does he?

I'm voting green next time fuck the major parties........

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

I think too much emphasis is put on personality rather than policy and conviction. Politics is a media game these days.

Since 1979 there have only been 6 years when our economy was in surplus.

4 of those years were under Labour, 2 of those years were under the Tories.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I think too much emphasis is put on personality rather than policy and conviction. Politics is a media game these days.

.....

That's what is behind the SNP plan to allow 'prominent' non members to stand for election.

Celebrity politics at its worst.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

That's what is behind the SNP plan to allow 'prominent' non members to stand for election.

Celebrity politics at its worst."

If that's true then it's disappointing and it would be a huge mistake to go ahead with it.

One of the benefits of being a smaller party is that you can campaign on the fact that your candidates are closer to the ground and therefore closer to the issues - why would the SNP want to lose that USP?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

why focus on the individual i look at who may help the less well off and vulnerable.

Cameron and Clegg on same day bedroom tax camecin millionaires got massive tax rebate.

Nhs has been systematically run down and beong privatised more and more.

Energy companies profits sky high but when cost of fuel drops its not given back to customers at same level or same soeed it goes up.

So in nutshell its about the whole thing not one person.

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By *icefellatwoMan
over a year ago

hastings

"I think too much emphasis is put on personality rather than policy and conviction. Politics is a media game these days.

Since 1979 there have only been 6 years when our economy was in surplus.

4 of those years were under Labour, 2 of those years were under the Tories.

The main trouble is whoever is in power blames the last government for the problems .

One day they might all work together

for the good of the country and all who live here and whoever the common market decides to let in

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

One day they might all work together

for the good of the country and all who live here and whoever the common market decides to let in

no they work for the good of the rich....... the middle earners can muddle along the poor can go and get fucked!

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By *icefellatwoMan
over a year ago

hastings

One day they might all work together

for the good of the country and all who live here and whoever the common market decides to let in

no they work for the good of the rich....... the middle earners can muddle along the poor can go and get fucked!"

Yes they are all in it for what they can get

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

It was during the 1920's that they overtook the Liberal Party as the main challenger to the Conservatives.

UKIP was founded in 1993 - so has been around for 21 years now.

I don't think Cameron, Millipede or Cleggy Weggy should underestimate UKIP.

Not saying we should all vote UKIP by the way."

I am

Sits watches and smiles

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

Sounds like a cross between a duck and a flowerpot man ... Its a no from me

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By *icefellatwoMan
over a year ago

hastings

It was during the 1920's that they overtook the Liberal Party as the main challenger to the Conservatives.

UKIP was founded in 1993 - so has been around for 21 years now.

I don't think Cameron, Millipede or Cleggy Weggy should underestimate UKIP.

Not saying we should all vote UKIP by the way.

I am

Sits watches and smiles"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One day we may see a parliament without people who need a degree, who admit to having done wrong but say it's part of the learning curve and who listen to all the public not just the bankers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One day we may see a parliament without people who need a degree, who admit to having done wrong but say it's part of the learning curve and who listen to all the public not just the bankers"

I used to really like Mo Mowlem

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By *octor DeleriumMan
over a year ago

Wellingborough

"Potentially good PM or calamitous liability?"

I think you have only to view his _xpression as he gave to the Bulgarian

beggar.

Then read the Labour Press Office release about how much was in his hand, other than the two pence coin.

Edward, like almost all politicians, is only in this for himself.

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By *octor DeleriumMan
over a year ago

Wellingborough

"my point abut getting whom we deserve was more about the appalling apathy and lack of participation and yes I would agree we have by and large mostly huddled around the centre..

I personally believe it should be compulsory to vote, we take the privilege far too lightly..

ditto on the brother..

I find it ironic when people who don't vote (for whatever reason) complain about anything that comes under government control.

Love him or loath him, I can actually see Boris Johnson as a future PM.

He may come across as a buffoon, but is actually a very clever and smart man - and what's more, unlike Cameron, Clegg and Millipede, he has a great personality and is popular!"

Unfortunately, dangerously smart.

He does not answer questions and deflects his failings to underlings.

Boris Is all about Boris; he will feather his nest whilst giving not a single piss about the electorate that elected the Tory party next year.

COI: a Tory voter for most of my life, I thought that Blair might deliver something different but I was deluded, in future I intend to spoil my ballot papers as there is precious little democracy in this Country, just more of the same.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"One day we may see a parliament without people who need a degree, who admit to having done wrong but say it's part of the learning curve and who listen to all the public not just the bankers

I used to really like Mo Mowlem

Pervy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Potentially good PM or calamitous liability?"

He's as weak as piss , best I can say about him really .

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

That's what is behind the SNP plan to allow 'prominent' non members to stand for election.

Celebrity politics at its worst.

If that's true then it's disappointing and it would be a huge mistake to go ahead with it.

"The SNP conference has voted in favour of allowing non-members to stand as candidates in the general election.

The move is designed to appeal to activists who campaigned for a "Yes" vote in the independence referendum.

The plan was backed at its annual conference, which opened in Perth on Friday morning.

Under the proposal, prominent "Yes" campaigners who are not in the SNP would be able to stand for election under the party's overall banner.

In order to do so, they would need to be on an approved list and be adopted by a local constituency.

Potential candidates normally need to have been an SNP member for at least 12 months."

The SNP don't have issues to campaign on - other than Separation. Everything else takes a back seat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hes a hopeless leader he should be streets ahead of this pathetic condem government but he is hopelesly out of touch with most of the electorate.hes that bad he even sounds like a tory reject.i thought he should have been sacked 3 yrs ago .i think we are in for another hung parliament as nobody trusts anyone of the 3 major players and nobody deserves to win.the limpdems are finished they will be slaughtered at the polls

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"One day we may see a parliament without people who need a degree, who admit to having done wrong but say it's part of the learning curve and who listen to all the public not just the bankers"

Bring back John Major, from a working class background but worked his way up, smart, humble and someone who has grown in stature as he has aged. On the Labour side give Allan Johnson a go, speaks common sense and has a human quality which is missing in most politicians.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who gives a fuck he'll do exactly what the others would do. Nothing!

Sure there'll tinker around with a penny here or tuppence there but in the end people need to realise that politics is owned by big business.

Look at it this way, in every US election for 80 years the party that spent the most won, in this country it nearly always depends on who the tabloids back.

Rich businesses and wealthy people donate (fancy word for bribe) money so they can have influence, this influence is highly visible in 40 years of stats,ie people's tax have risen steadily in 40 years while businesses tax has steadily fallen, they buy there tax breaks through legal bribes.

I think personally looking round the world today you can see, the time to tinker around the edges is long gone. It's time for a radical overhaul on how we work, live, tax, travel and more importantly the system of how it gets A to B.

And I doubt this radical change will come through democratic means , history proves that nobody changed the world with a vote, and it also proves that people in charge will hold onto power by any means possible!! And that is where the real danger lies.

But regardless of what your political persuasion are, if you look at what the experts are saying about our entire survival we've got about 30 years to sort it out or face the consequences

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By *rtemisiaWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

"Potentially good PM or calamitous liability?"

Having seen him drop 2p into a homeless person's cup without even making eye contact, I'd say liability!

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

"Yes mostly caused by Blair

would take Blair over any of those out there right now......

vote tory if you are foolish enough too, but don't fucking complain if there's no support system in place if you, your family or friends need it......

bastards sold off the family silver in the 80's, knackered any force of power the unions/working classes held and now we reap the rewards..."

So the Tories sold off the family silver... better than giving the family gold away like Brown did...

Labour wasted money like it was going out of fashion... Giving countless billions in benefits.

Benefits need to go to those in need not those that can't be bothered to get off their arses...

Benefits should be less than a working wage... Those in the lowest wage brackets should get more help... If you have three bed house and decide to have 8 children that your decision... You shouldn't get a bigger house and more money...

If Labour stood up and said "Look we made some mistakes, we are sorry and we have learnt from them."

No after 13 years Labour and their followers are still blaming the Tories... For 13 years all we have heard is "It's not our fault." Then 5 minutes after the Coalition got in it's " Look at the mess they have made." It's as if Labour suddenly forgot the 13 years they had in power...

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"I look at all 3 of the 'main' parties and also farage and I think they have not got the foggiest idea..

maybe we do get the politicians we deserve..?

I don't feel represented by any of them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I heard Ed Milliband went to see santa, and santa said "dont worry nobody believes in me either"

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"I think too much emphasis is put on personality rather than policy and conviction. Politics is a media game these days.

Since 1979 there have only been 6 years when our economy was in surplus.

4 of those years were under Labour, 2 of those years were under the Tories.

Those 4 years under labour being the first 4 years after they came into power. And don't forget that useless twat Brown sold our gold at an average of $275 an ounce.... about 1/6 if what it would now be worth, and what they did to our pensions....

And don't ever forget Blair either... that shining example of socialism at its best...with his 25 properties worth over £100M, doing secret deals with oil companies for £41K a week, earning £10 Million a year, while only paying £275K tax...

Don't get me wrong, the tory bastards are just the same.

Whoever gets in, it will benefit only the few and not the ordinary man in the street.

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over a year ago

"Yes mostly caused by Blair

would take Blair over any of those out there right now......

vote tory if you are foolish enough too, but don't fucking complain if there's no support system in place if you, your family or friends need it......

bastards sold off the family silver in the 80's, knackered any force of power the unions/working classes held and now we reap the rewards..."

Really? Blair? Statesman? Keep taking the meds mate

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"I think too much emphasis is put on personality rather than policy and conviction. Politics is a media game these days.

Since 1979 there have only been 6 years when our economy was in surplus.

4 of those years were under Labour, 2 of those years were under the Tories.

Don't get me wrong, the tory bastards are just the same.

Whoever gets in, it will benefit only the few and not the ordinary man in the street."

The role of government is to create societies, infrastructure and to maintain law and order so that the general public can feel safe and secure in going about their daily life. It is the role of the individual to step up to the plate, work hard and look after themselves and their family. Society starts to fail when the government overly interferes by taking more and more taxes from those who produce in order to give money for votes to those who produce less.

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over a year ago

"I think too much emphasis is put on personality rather than policy and conviction. Politics is a media game these days.

Since 1979 there have only been 6 years when our economy was in surplus.

4 of those years were under Labour, 2 of those years were under the Tories.

Don't get me wrong, the tory bastards are just the same.

Whoever gets in, it will benefit only the few and not the ordinary man in the street.

There's only one problem with that theory. Poor people hardly ever vote in any country anywhere.

And I hate to tell you this but in the last 60 years taxs for the wealthy have fallen more than in any group.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have heard of a rubber band, lap band and a brass band but what the hell is a milli band?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd just like to see a politician who had actually worked for a living, rather than a career politician.

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

"And don't forget that useless twat Brown sold our gold at an average of $275 an ounce..."

he actual sold "our" excess gold at a market high. It was a great deal at the time. maybe not now but we can say that about so much else.. Why did the tory's sell off the utilities ? just think what profit they would have raised for the nation over the last 20 years had we invested in them and not sold them off...

@ least under labour things are slightly fairer and those at the bottom on society get a little more help...

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over a year ago

"And don't forget that useless twat Brown sold our gold at an average of $275 an ounce...

@ least under labour things are slightly fairer and those at the bottom on society get a little more help... "

Yep definitely fair to bankrupt the country and leave everyone struggling !

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

"And don't forget that useless twat Brown sold our gold at an average of $275 an ounce...

@ least under labour things are slightly fairer and those at the bottom on society get a little more help... "

I don't think things were any fairer... The only reason people at the bottom got any help was Labours state sponsored attempt at vote rigging... Spend taxes on those that don't work in an attempt to buy their votes...

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

Yep definitely fair to bankrupt the country and leave everyone struggling !"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yep definitely fair to bankrupt the country and leave everyone struggling !

maybe it was a mess of making (sub prime loads didn't help) but I don't get what you say and how you dress it up..... under tory government those at the bottom end of society get hit the hardest. any poor bastard here having to pay the bedroom tax? now thats fair!"
Having worked in the social housing sector seeing one person in a 4 bedroom house then a family of 5 in the next 2 bed flat i think the bedroom tax is a good thing...after all the house is not yours...its social accomodation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yep definitely fair to bankrupt the country and leave everyone struggling !

Hardly as devastating as losing your job or seeing your pension decimated to fund an illegal war !

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

"I don't think things were any fairer... The only reason people at the bottom got any help was Labours state sponsored attempt at vote rigging... Spend taxes on those that don't work in an attempt to buy their votes..."

and how the rich manipulate the media into printing what they want the masses to read isn't the same?

i will till the day I die be sure that under a labour government we get a slightly fairer situation...

I can't forgive the tory's for fucking britain cira 1980's.. old card carrying red and proud of it... old man was a miner for ten years and spent 29 weeks on strike for a 2% pay rise, a pair of free overall....... and his pride. fuck the tories.

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

" ..after all the house is not yours...its social accomodation "

then you will know there was no prevision made and certainly no quality one bedroom properties availiable to those who wanted to move so they only way is too punish someone who's no fault of their own?

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

"ardly as devastating as losing your job or seeing your pension decimated to fund an illegal war !"

yes and under these shits more people have lost their home... gone without.. they do very little to help those lower earners and as much as they can do to curry favor from those who have milions...... fuck it.... classwar time... "redistribution of wealth" tax the rich....... robin hood did it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ardly as devastating as losing your job or seeing your pension decimated to fund an illegal war !

To use your colourful language twice in my lifetime the Tories have had to follow a labour government of fucking idiots and put the country back on a sound financial footing ! Thatcher in the seventies and now Cameron sorry socialism don't work oh and ps I now do a low paid job with a free pair of overalls each year but what I earn and spend is mine not borrowed as Mr Brown wanted

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

" twice in my lifetime the Tories have had to follow a labour government of fucking idiots and put the country back on a sound financial footing ! "

and twice the working classes got raped.

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over a year ago

" twice in my lifetime the Tories have had to follow a labour government of fucking idiots and put the country back on a sound financial footing !

and twice the working classes got raped."

Behave ffs

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

Behave ffs "

why for standing up for those less fortunate? for wanting a fairer system?

you say about the iron witch rebuilding great britain but was that after she ripped through the working classes? broke the unions? sold off the countries assets? I hate the tories, for what they have done and continue to do to decent folk....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Behave ffs

why for standing up for those less fortunate? for wanting a fairer system?

Tony Blair and Gordon brown were much better eh ! Sorry can no longer take you serious

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over a year ago

As a neutral, your all wrong.

Margret Thatcher borrowed more money leaving than she did entering, so did Tony Blair, so will the coalition.

Gordon brown sold the gold for very specific purposes which are well documented, it was to help out the rich and certainly not the poor!.

The war in Iraq was no more illegal than the war in the Falklands.

And regardless of which party is in power next, not one policy will be for helping out the poor or working class or immigrants.

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

"...

Tony Blair and Gordon brown were much better eh ! Sorry can no longer take you serious "

not I didn't see new labour as any great answer but I did more so that what we had before and have now, and god forbid we get a tory/ukip government next year....

labour will always do more to help a slightly larger percentage of the population ... whatever their perverse reasoning.

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

"And regardless of which party is in power next, not one policy will be for helping out the poor or working class or immigrants."

then I shall stay angry and support class war.

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over a year ago

"As a neutral, your all wrong.

Margret Thatcher borrowed more money leaving than she did entering, so did Tony Blair, so will the coalition.

Gordon brown sold the gold for very specific purposes which are well documented, it was to help out the rich and certainly not the poor!.

The war in Iraq was no more illegal than the war in the Falklands.

And regardless of which party is in power next, not one policy will be for helping out the poor or working class or immigrants."

Think your view is well balanced however fail to see how a war to defend our own sovereign land can be deemed unlawful ?

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

Keep this Baffoon in charge of the Labour party, because if the go to next election with the Pratt in charge the Torts will win without that dick clegg

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over a year ago

"And regardless of which party is in power next, not one policy will be for helping out the poor or working class or immigrants.

then I shall stay angry and support class war."

Class war lmao

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And regardless of which party is in power next, not one policy will be for helping out the poor or working class or immigrants.

then I shall stay angry and support class war."
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If we lived in a republic with a set constitution you could perhaps forgive the fact that the minority are best served in this country of ours. However as we live in a democracy where the 51% should have power, I find it very disturbing that the majority are nearly always treated the worse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a neutral, your all wrong.

Margret Thatcher borrowed more money leaving than she did entering, so did Tony Blair, so will the coalition.

Gordon brown sold the gold for very specific purposes which are well documented, it was to help out the rich and certainly not the poor!.

The war in Iraq was no more illegal than the war in the Falklands.

And regardless of which party is in power next, not one policy will be for helping out the poor or working class or immigrants.

Think your view is well balanced however fail to see how a war to defend our own sovereign land can be deemed unlawful ?"
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My point was they were both legal wars, they are only ever deemed illegal/unjustified by a persons political view.

I believe if you really want a class struggle you'll need something along the lines of the French route, as I really don't think wealthy powerful people will "hand it over" just with a little x marks the spot

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

"Aalong the lines of the French route, as I really don't think wealthy powerful people will "hand it over" just with a little x marks the spot"

i shall sand next to owen jones and build out own utopia.. watch as the blood of rich fill the streets of the poor.............

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

"i shall sand next to owen jones and build out own utopia.. watch as the blood of rich fill the streets of the poor............."

tooting popular front.

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over a year ago

"As a neutral, your all wrong.

Margret Thatcher borrowed more money leaving than she did entering, so did Tony Blair, so will the coalition.

Gordon brown sold the gold for very specific purposes which are well documented, it was to help out the rich and certainly not the poor!.

The war in Iraq was no more illegal than the war in the Falklands.

And regardless of which party is in power next, not one policy will be for helping out the poor or working class or immigrants.

Think your view is well balanced however fail to see how a war to defend our own sovereign land can be deemed unlawful ?.

My point was they were both legal wars, they are only ever deemed illegal/unjustified by a persons political view.

The Iraq war was legal passed by parliament but would have been unsound if not based on the lies Mr Blair gave in parliament to support his bill

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over a year ago

"i shall sand next to owen jones and build out own utopia.. watch as the blood of rich fill the streets of the poor.............

tooting popular front."

What next get the massive influx of Eastern Europeans to clean the mess up ! Your views were sold out by the last labour government and no meaningful plan has been put forward by milliband

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe history proves you right. You really do need the blood of the rich to fill the street for actual change.

But would it be a pyrrhic victory.

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

" massive influx of Eastern Europeans

I don't mind the eastern Europeans getting used to them now around dudley. think we have the odd polish shop now as well

nice to hear different languages while sat drinking outside costa, nice cappuccino and chocolate muffin and the air filled with the sounds of our world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a neutral, your all wrong.

Margret Thatcher borrowed more money leaving than she did entering, so did Tony Blair, so will the coalition.

Gordon brown sold the gold for very specific purposes which are well documented, it was to help out the rich and certainly not the poor!.

The war in Iraq was no more illegal than the war in the Falklands.

And regardless of which party is in power next, not one policy will be for helping out the poor or working class or immigrants.

Think your view is well balanced however fail to see how a war to defend our own sovereign land can be deemed unlawful ?.

My point was they were both legal wars, they are only ever deemed illegal/unjustified by a persons political view.

The Iraq war was legal passed by parliament but would have been unsound if not based on the lies Mr Blair gave in parliament to support his bill "
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You could argue the same for Mrs Thatcher's sinking of the belgrano 12hrs before a set peace talk.

Everything is done for a purpose, it's whether you agree with the purpose.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" massive influx of Eastern Europeans

I don't mind the eastern Europeans getting used to them now around dudley. think we have the odd polish shop now as well

nice to hear different languages while sat drinking outside costa, nice cappuccino and chocolate muffin and the air filled with the sounds of our world. "

We welcome them too but view them in a different light to that of brown and Blair ! That will always be the difference we don't pigeon hole people within class instead seek a society where hard work pays off

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

"But would it be a pyrrhic victory."

had to google pyrrhic

and not at all..... I don't want anyone to die because of what I think.... I just want a fairer slice of the cake for all.. I really don't give a fuck what you have.... just think about others first.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a neutral, your all wrong.

Margret Thatcher borrowed more money leaving than she did entering, so did Tony Blair, so will the coalition.

Gordon brown sold the gold for very specific purposes which are well documented, it was to help out the rich and certainly not the poor!.

The war in Iraq was no more illegal than the war in the Falklands.

And regardless of which party is in power next, not one policy will be for helping out the poor or working class or immigrants.

Think your view is well balanced however fail to see how a war to defend our own sovereign land can be deemed unlawful ?.

My point was they were both legal wars, they are only ever deemed illegal/unjustified by a persons political view.

The Iraq war was legal passed by parliament but would have been unsound if not based on the lies Mr Blair gave in parliament to support his bill .

You could argue the same for Mrs Thatcher's sinking of the belgrano 12hrs before a set peace talk.

Everything is done for a purpose, it's whether you agree with the purpose."

Mrs thatcher was feisty but I doubt she sunk a battleship

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

" instead seek a society where hard work pays off "

for once we agree..... but for those who can't provide for themselves we who "have more" should be the first to lend an hand.

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over a year ago

"But would it be a pyrrhic victory.

had to google pyrrhic

and not at all..... I don't want anyone to die because of what I think.... I just want a fairer slice of the cake for all.. I really don't give a fuck what you have.... just think about others first. "

Totally confusing

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

Mrs thatcher was feisty but I doubt she sunk a battleship "

i'm sure that witch had a spell for everything

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

So will someone please explain to me an Exsquaddie who served in the 1st Gulf war, why was it deemed illegal. I'm pretty damnd sure it went thru parliament was voted on by MPs of all parties.

I'm sure this is how a democracy works

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

I'm sure this is how a democracy works"

wasn't it something to do with a UN resolution ? the UK/Usa didn't have full support. but i'd have to goggle the full details