FabSwingers.com forum: Should wheelchairs get priority....

By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

.....over pushchairs on public transport?

Discuss.

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By *hortieWoman
over a year ago

Northampton

Yes.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

yes...

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For disabled yes, for fatties no.

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We could always just hook them up to the back of the public transport or would that be wrong just a thought

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"For disabled yes, for fatties no. "

what about me? I'm disabled AND a fattie!

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By *SweetVioletxWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

Yes

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"For disabled yes, for fatties no. "

most people wont be in a wheel chair unless they have a disability I suspect..

and err guess what, being unable to be as mobile will for some lead to an increase in weight..

and that will include members of our armed forces injured on active service..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For disabled yes, for fatties no.

what about me? I'm disabled AND a fattie!"

Are you disabled because you're fat?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For disabled yes, for fatties no. "

Being fat isn't all about what they eat, it can be a side effect from medication or if they cannot walk they can gain weight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes wheelchairs should get priority over pushchairs on a bus, pushchairs can be folded down and the child can sit on a knee.

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"We could always just hook them up to the back of the public transport or would that be wrong just a thought

sounds fun to me. I'd do it! Stick some Crimbo lights around my wheels, wear my sons biking leathers and whey hey!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes they should

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"For disabled yes, for fatties no.

what about me? I'm disabled AND a fattie!

Are you disabled because you're fat?"

No, I got fat after I became disabled. Meh

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"For disabled yes, for fatties no.

Being fat isn't all about what they eat, it can be a side effect from medication or if they cannot walk they can gain weight."

Never a truer word spoken

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For disabled yes, for fatties no.

Being fat isn't all about what they eat, it can be a side effect from medication or if they cannot walk they can gain weight."

If they don't manage their diet you are are quite correct. However, eating steamed fish and salad won't make you fat.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

in my former job as an elderly and disabled assisted travel manager for the railways have to say this is one of my biggest pet peeves...

there are some buggies that are used for medical reasons so take those out of the equations....

but unless the buggy is there for medical reasons.... it should always be priority for wheelchair users as it is the only place they can travel certainly on trains......

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

By the way peeps, I don't use public transport and only rely on wheelchair for shopping and days out, due to my most recent successful spine op. I just hobble along with my walking stick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes wheelchairs should get priority over pushchairs on a bus, pushchairs can be folded down and the child can sit on a knee.

Twin pushchairs? When my twins were babies I couldn't hold them both in my arms and simultaneously fold down their complicated and bulky twin buggy?

I still think disabled should get priority but having twins and getting around can be a pain in the bum.

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"For disabled yes, for fatties no.

Being fat isn't all about what they eat, it can be a side effect from medication or if they cannot walk they can gain weight.

If they don't manage their diet you are are quite correct. However, eating steamed fish and salad won't make you fat."

steroid injections, very limited mobility and the dreaded thyroid (nope it's not a kop out), all contributed to my weight gain. Due to severe Rheumatoid arthritis and 2 other chronic health conditions, my only for of exercise is hydrotherapy and rumpy pumpy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes wheelchairs should get priority over pushchairs on a bus, pushchairs can be folded down and the child can sit on a knee.

Twin pushchairs? When my twins were babies I couldn't hold them both in my arms and simultaneously fold down their complicated and bulky twin buggy?

I still think disabled should get priority but having twins and getting around can be a pain in the bum. "

That's a good point that I hadn't thought about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think compromise and individual need assessment is whats required rather than automatic priority to one

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

I respect anyone in a wheelchair who has the guts to go on public transport

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For disabled yes, for fatties no.

Being fat isn't all about what they eat, it can be a side effect from medication or if they cannot walk they can gain weight.

If they don't manage their diet you are are quite correct. However, eating steamed fish and salad won't make you fat.

No carbs for you then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The areas on buses where the prams go were made specifically for wheelchair users. They have priority

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"For disabled yes, for fatties no.

Being fat isn't all about what they eat, it can be a side effect from medication or if they cannot walk they can gain weight.

If they don't manage their diet you are are quite correct. However, eating steamed fish and salad won't make you fat.

No carbs for you then."

or cake, or chocolate!

Fuck it, I'm only gonna be living once. FEEEED ME

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We could always just hook them up to the back of the public transport or would that be wrong just a thought

sounds fun to me. I'd do it! Stick some Crimbo lights around my wheels, wear my sons biking leathers and whey hey!

Get some spinners for the alloys with $ in the centre

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Be aware that some children's 'wheelchairs' look almost identical to pushchairs these days

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

i always allow the wheelchair on first just as much as with the prams as well

both with respect and politeness and manners

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I disagree to a point, having had twins, and at the time I couldn't drive, and I wouldn't hand one of the babies to a stranger to collapse the pram, and anything else would of been impossible

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"We could always just hook them up to the back of the public transport or would that be wrong just a thought

sounds fun to me. I'd do it! Stick some Crimbo lights around my wheels, wear my sons biking leathers and whey hey!

Get some spinners for the alloys with $ in the centre

trust you! Pimp my ride next time you're at Cupids!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had a newborn and an 18 month old in a twin pram. I walked everywhere and my 6 year old walked with me

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

or cake, or chocolate! Fuck it, I'm only gonna be living once. FEEEED ME

I'm afraid that's the attitude that quells my compassion.

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"I disagree to a point, having had twins, and at the time I couldn't drive, and I wouldn't hand one of the babies to a stranger to collapse the pram, and anything else would of been impossible "

totally understand this tho. In the past, when I did use buses, I would wait for the next bus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For disabled yes, for fatties no.

Being fat isn't all about what they eat, it can be a side effect from medication or if they cannot walk they can gain weight.

If they don't manage their diet you are are quite correct. However, eating steamed fish and salad won't make you fat."

Not all "fatties" as you call them have a bad diet, some might like to have chocolate, but don't just assume that's why their fat.

I eat chocolate and cake nearly every day, doesn't mean I'm fat, I'm a size 12.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't automatically say yes myself...if a pushchair CAN be folded then yes, fold it down...but what if it can't? Does the parent of a child not have the same right to travel by public transport? I'm thinking parents who have no other means of getting about but the bus for example...should they be shoved off the bus with child because there is a wheelchair user also needing space? I think it would depend on circumstances tbh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I disagree to a point, having had twins, and at the time I couldn't drive, and I wouldn't hand one of the babies to a stranger to collapse the pram, and anything else would of been impossible

totally understand this tho. In the past, when I did use buses, I would wait for the next bus."

Yes a possibility, in fairness, i never saw anybody with a wheelchair,,

, but very difficult even without somebody with a wheel chair anyway haha, years ago they didn't have the fantastic little double prams they have now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The last thing a disabled person wants is a fuss about space to get on the bus. They just wanna be treated the same as the next person. Takes guts in my _iew to get on a bus/train in a wheelchair not knowing if your gonna have to beg to use public transport.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Yes wheelchairs should get priority over pushchairs on a bus, pushchairs can be folded down and the child can sit on a knee.

Twin pushchairs? When my twins were babies I couldn't hold them both in my arms and simultaneously fold down their complicated and bulky twin buggy?

I still think disabled should get priority but having twins and getting around can be a pain in the bum. "

thats why i know the railways where possible if they have staff at the stations will assist with double pushchairs where possible......

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"or cake, or chocolate! Fuck it, I'm only gonna be living once. FEEEED ME

I'm afraid that's the attitude that quells my compassion."

Not fussed, I am lucky to be alive today, so I ain't gonna worry what others think. Live and let live eh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes wheelchairs should get priority over pushchairs on a bus, pushchairs can be folded down and the child can sit on a knee.

Twin pushchairs? When my twins were babies I couldn't hold them both in my arms and simultaneously fold down their complicated and bulky twin buggy?

I still think disabled should get priority but having twins and getting around can be a pain in the bum.

thats why i know the railways where possible if they have staff at the stations will assist with double pushchairs where possible......"

I wouldn't have given one of mine to anybody I'm afraid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"or cake, or chocolate! Fuck it, I'm only gonna be living once. FEEEED ME

I'm afraid that's the attitude that quells my compassion.

Not fussed, I am lucky to be alive today, so I ain't gonna worry what others think. Live and let live eh?

Totally agree there.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I saw a photo on facebook this week of two ladies sat on a train and the caption suggested they had refused to give up a disabled space and so everyone should share it to shame them. I didn't increase my circle of friends by suggesting that there is no evidence one way or the other and that just because someone on facebook says it is true it necessarily is...

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"The last thing a disabled person wants is a fuss about space to get on the bus. They just wanna be treated the same as the next person. Takes guts in my _iew to get on a bus/train in a wheelchair not knowing if your gonna have to beg to use public transport."

It is really degrading using a wheelchair and especially when you are a larger size, people are very judgemental and it's always the elderly who tut and have no patience with you, barging past and god forbid you use a disabled parking bay with valid blue badges!!! It's the younger teenagers who are the most helpful.

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over a year ago

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

Must say though, when I was at my worst this summer, going to clubs, I got loads of help. Luckily I can once again shuffle around clubs without the use of my walking stick, I'm just usually sat down all night instead.

Anyhow, why did I end up discussing me?

Sorry, carry on as you were.

Signed Fattie

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By *he tactile technicianMan
over a year ago

the good lands, the bad lands, the any where you may want me lands

"The areas on buses where the prams go were made specifically for wheelchair users. They have priority "
Priority over scooters? Disabled people also need to use scooters; prioritising one disability over is another is what the discretion of the bus and coach driver is going to come down to. I hope that they have adequate training to be able to discriminate sensibly in those situations, I fear however, that they won't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Must say though, when I was at my worst this summer, going to clubs, I got loads of help. Luckily I can once again shuffle around clubs without the use of my walking stick, I'm just usually sat down all night instead.

Anyhow, why did I end up discussing me?

Sorry, carry on as you were.

Signed Fattie

Not on your back then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyhow, why did I end up discussing me?

Sorry, carry on as you were.

Signed Fattie

When you say you can shuffle again ive got images in my head of you doing the Melbourne shuffle around the pole in cupids

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Yes wheelchairs should get priority over pushchairs on a bus, pushchairs can be folded down and the child can sit on a knee.

Twin pushchairs? When my twins were babies I couldn't hold them both in my arms and simultaneously fold down their complicated and bulky twin buggy?

I still think disabled should get priority but having twins and getting around can be a pain in the bum.

thats why i know the railways where possible if they have staff at the stations will assist with double pushchairs where possible......

I wouldn't have given one of mine to anybody I'm afraid "

lol... they would look after the pushchair... you would look after the children! (sarahs law actually put pay to anymore help than that....)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So you propose would of been, for a woman on her own to lift to babies out of a pram,,

, sit on a train? I think not my friend,, when they have no head support what you are proposing is impossible without causing an injury

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

Anyhow, why did I end up discussing me?

Sorry, carry on as you were.

Signed Fattie

Not on your back then

On occasion

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

Anyhow, why did I end up discussing me?

Sorry, carry on as you were.

Signed Fattie

When you say you can shuffle again ive got images in my head of you doing the Melbourne shuffle around the pole in cupids

hahahaha, shuffling across the carpet in my flats. Can't wear heels anymore. If I went round the pole, I'd bring it crashing to the floor with the ceiling

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"Yes wheelchairs should get priority over pushchairs on a bus, pushchairs can be folded down and the child can sit on a knee.

Twin pushchairs? When my twins were babies I couldn't hold them both in my arms and simultaneously fold down their complicated and bulky twin buggy?

I still think disabled should get priority but having twins and getting around can be a pain in the bum.

thats why i know the railways where possible if they have staff at the stations will assist with double pushchairs where possible......

I wouldn't have given one of mine to anybody I'm afraid

lol... they would look after the pushchair... you would look after the children! (sarahs law actually put pay to anymore help than that....)"

Going back 16 years, I had to hand my bambino over to the bus driver whilst I folded the pram. Didn't really have the luxury of having prams on a bus then. So glad I only had the one. Imagine having 3 under 3 year olds, the bus would have drove straight past me at the bus stop!

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The buses round here have wheelchair and push chair designated spaces, if a push chair is in the wheelchair space I think they should move as that space is designated for a wheelchair but if on the rare occasions another wheelchair user wanted to get on I don't think they should move push chairs out of push chair designated areas for it, what naffs me off the most is elderly people with shopping trollies that sit in the wheelchair and push chair areas and refuse to move

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have 3 under 5, my partner passed away before i get any unruly comments but i struggle with a double pram for my boys i do put it up for wheelchairs and prams with smaller babies... However very rarely anyone helps. my son once ran off the bus i had to go chase him obstructing the bus with the pram and once, i had my newborn on my knee someone getting off the bus hit his head with a bag so id say its not just as simple as parents and disabled people ... The other users could help and be more weary we all share the transport afterall x

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"or cake, or chocolate! Fuck it, I'm only gonna be living once. FEEEED ME

I'm afraid that's the attitude that quells my compassion."

Perhaps its your attitude that feeds that type of response?

No one is perfect, people can become disabled through life choices but we shouldn't judge because of those.

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"I have 3 under 5, my partner passed away before i get any unruly comments but i struggle with a double pram for my boys i do put it up for wheelchairs and prams with smaller babies... However very rarely anyone helps. my son once ran off the bus i had to go chase him obstructing the bus with the pram and once, i had my newborn on my knee someone getting off the bus hit his head with a bag so id say its not just as simple as parents and disabled people ... The other users could help and be more weary we all share the transport afterall x"

Sorry to hear of the passing of your husband.

It's rare people are willing to help these days. Instead they just sit and stare, tutting as loud as possible

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The areas on buses where the prams go were made specifically for wheelchair users. They have priority Priority over scooters? Disabled people also need to use scooters; prioritising one disability over is another is what the discretion of the bus and coach driver is going to come down to. I hope that they have adequate training to be able to discriminate sensibly in those situations, I fear however, that they won't "

People in scooters don't need buses they scoot everywhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The buses round here have wheelchair and push chair designated spaces, if a push chair is in the wheelchair space I think they should move as that space is designated for a wheelchair but if on the rare occasions another wheelchair user wanted to get on I don't think they should move push chairs out of push chair designated areas for it, what naffs me off the most is elderly people with shopping trollies that sit in the wheelchair and push chair areas and refuse to move "

I hate it when elderly people tell me I'm not allowed to sit in a disabled seat. I'm disabled although not physically, I still have the right to sit there

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"or cake, or chocolate! Fuck it, I'm only gonna be living once. FEEEED ME

I'm afraid that's the attitude that quells my compassion.

Perhaps its your attitude that feeds that type of response?

No one is perfect, people can become disabled through life choices but we shouldn't judge because of those. "

*kisses Evie on the cheek*

He obviously didn't get my tongue in cheek humour.

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By *histler21Man
over a year ago

Ipswich

".....over pushchairs on public transport?

Discuss."

Most buses I have been on have space for only one wheelchair user. A second wheelchair user would simply have to wait until the next bus.

Some have a shared space for wheelchairs and buggies - that seems to operate on a first-come-first served basis. Seems reasonable. There will be times when the space is used up. Unless you are going to eject one or more users off the bus to make space - there is always the potential for conflict.

If the bus service operates on a reliable timetable - waiting for the next one shouldn't be an issue.

Users of that space have to be cooperative.

If a mother has two or more toddlers - it is hard to simply say take them out the buggy, fold it up, store it and the hold the babies. Sometimes, even a single toddler can be a handful in those circumstances.

Making it illegal to use a wheelchair space for anyone other than a wheelchair user is definitive - but not always practicable.

We all need to be sensible...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry to hear of the passing of your husband.

It's rare people are willing to help these days. Instead they just sit and stare, tutting as loud as possible

I go much slower if they tut

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"or cake, or chocolate! Fuck it, I'm only gonna be living once. FEEEED ME

I'm afraid that's

*kisses Evie on the cheek*

He obviously didn't get my tongue in cheek humour.

Sorry it passed me by, I'm so used to hearing that it's everyone else's fault for there own obesity. In the past I have lost the use of my right leg and been diagnosed with heart failure. However I never added to my problems with poor diet. I wish you all the best.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Depends on who is in the buggy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Depends on who is in the buggy."

Why should that matter?!

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

".....over pushchairs on public transport?

Discuss."

No brainer - yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They may be severely disabled

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"or cake, or chocolate! Fuck it, I'm only gonna be living once. FEEEED ME

I'm afraid that's

*kisses Evie on the cheek*

He obviously didn't get my tongue in cheek humour.

nobodies fault but my own stoopid body. To go from a size 6 to 24 in 12 months was heartbreaking. I lost 4 stone after joining this site, but after my most recent surgery, I put back nearly 3 stone in 2 weeks, all because I stopped taking my thyroxin. I am guilty of eating the wrong things though, at times.

You are obviously a much stronger person than I

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On London buses it specifically states the area is for wheelchair users and buggies have to make room. The spaces were put there for wheelchair users not for buggies. If you want to take your children on a bus buy an easy to collapse buggy. It's very rare a wheelchair user gets on a bus but I have seen a carer demand that a buggy be moved and rightly so. You choose to have children,people don't choose to be in a wheelchair

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

I've been on buses with children in buggies and with an adult in a wheelchair. If you think dealing with children in buggies is hard I can say it really really isn't. Try it with a wheelchair chair. You can't take an adult out of a wheelchair and pop them on your lap.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, you have a standing load of really very old people who can barely walk, sitting on the fold down seats. Do you hoik them off to make way for a wheelchair user?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So, you have a standing load of really very old people who can barely walk, sitting on the fold down seats. Do you hoik them off to make way for a wheelchair user? "

If they can walk then yes because it's preventing a wheelchair user from using that seat which is what it's there for

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"So, you have a standing load of really very old people who can barely walk, sitting on the fold down seats. Do you hoik them off to make way for a wheelchair user? "

Where is the wheelchair user supposed to go? They can't block the Isle.

Plus younger fitter people should.give up their seats for the elderly people usurped from their fold down seats. It's a butterfly effect lol

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire

I've been listening with interest to the news story about the wheelchair user and the bus company. I can see it from both sides.

I had my children with a small age gap and don't drive, when they were still very little I started uni and had three buses there and three buses back. I often had to take them both out of pushchair and fold it up and maybe twice in all the times I did it did anyone offer to help. The real low point was when my toddling 18 month old fell in the aisle walking down the bus and some old tosser thought it was hilarious.

Yes it was tricky but I took my time. The fun part was when they both fell asleep on my knee on the 50 minute bus ride and then I had to try and get off! But hey I managed. I have never been in the position of being asked to fold my buggy down for a wheelchair user to board, but I have voluntarily done so to allow someone with a tiny baby to get on without folding up their buggy.

More recently my eldest daughter is now 7 and has a badly broken leg, she has an external fixator and isn't allowed to weight bear at all. So she's using a wheelchair. We don't need to get buses so often these days but we have done on several occasions. The only time I have had a problem was on our first outing with the wheelchair, a bus had missed and the next one came and was full, with people standing in the wheelchair space. They all just looked right through us and even the driver avoided eye contact. I decided not to even attempt it.

In my experience a lot of the people who say they 'can't' fold their buggy, despite it being a relatively lightweight one with a toddler in, don't want to because they have loaded the handles with their shopping and it'd be too much hassle.

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over a year ago

"So, you have a standing load of really very old people who can barely walk, sitting on the fold down seats. Do you hoik them off to make way for a wheelchair user? "

buses have designated areas for push chairs, wheelchair uses and seats for elderly and none wheelchair disabled people, the rest of the bus is for whoever, if poeple just sat in the areas designated for them the bus would be a more peaceful place to travel

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For disabled yes, for fatties no. "

spot on....

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull

Coming into this debate at this time, no-one has actually stated the fact that there is legislation covering this issue.

Under the Equality Act 2010, if a wheelchair User decides to travel on a bus and when it arrives at his stop, any buggy occupying the wheelchair space must be folded or moved. The wheelchair user has legal priority. Most bus companies' drivers are legally obliged to ask buggy users to fold the buggy or move to accommodate the wheelchair. If the buggy user refuses to comply, the driver can ask them to get off the bus.

In the area around my home in Hull, the bus companies there do follow the Act and I have witnessed drivers asking buggy users to fold up or use. In one case, the driver radioed his Control Room and a resolution has been found.

It is sometimes a generation thing; when I was younger, my mother folded the pushchair my young brother was in when we travelled on public transport. Nowadays, mums expect the space to be for them on buses and don't react accordingly. But the space in which they park their buggy, was actually brought into Bus design to meet Disability Legislation!

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire

"Coming into this debate at this time, no-one has actually stated the fact that there is legislation covering this issue.

Apparently First Bus have a first come first served policy which was found to be lacking in terms of the DDA and there is now an ongoing case about whether it is lawful or not.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

This may sound stupid (and probably is since I am neither a wheelchair user nor own a buggy), but why can't a space be reserved for each

The space, just as is now, can be used by standing passengers. If a wheelchair user or a mom with a buggy (or both) join, then the passengers either move more inside the bus, or when they disembark, no more passengers are taken

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Children are self inflicted and you deserve everything you get. Fold your pushchair up and sit your mewling fare dodging hellspawn on your knee and let the disabled person have the designated place.

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull

"Coming into this debate at this time, no-one has actually stated the fact that there is legislation covering this issue.

Apparently First Bus have a first come first served policy which was found to be lacking in terms of the DDA and there is now an ongoing case about whether it is lawful or not. "

That "first come, first served" test case was actually ruled illegal in September 2013. First Group lost their case!

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Yes

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"For disabled yes, for fatties no.

spot on...."

can you expand on that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Children are self inflicted and you deserve everything you get. Fold your pushchair up and sit your mewling fare dodging hellspawn on your knee and let the disabled person have the designated place. "

What the actual fuck? Who the hell do you think you are??? Keep your vileness to yourself please, this was a pleasant debate until you turned up

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Children are self inflicted and you deserve everything you get. Fold your pushchair up and sit your mewling fare dodging hellspawn on your knee and let the disabled person have the designated place.

What the actual fuck? Who the hell do you think you are??? Keep your vileness to yourself please, this was a pleasant debate until you turned up "

I believe that was dry humour. I don't think anyone believes that as much as anyone believes that a disability is self-inflicted

But don't let me stand in your way. Handbags at dawn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I drive buses in poole and the amount of teenagers with kids complaining when they have to collapse the pushchairs pisses me off. Should walk lazy cows lol. They can the person in wheelchair cant

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

In general I think it's reasonable for wheelchair users to have priority.

And it's unreasonable to harass the disabled over their influences upon their condition. That's victimization and bullying and repulsive.

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

This is on daybreak this morning

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my experience as a bus driver, Nobody has ever got off a packed bus to make way for a wheelchair user. They may think it is unfair, but Nobody take proactive action.

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

"In my experience as a bus driver, Nobody has ever got off a packed bus to make way for a wheelchair user. They may think it is unfair, but Nobody take proactive action. "

We have a few bus drivers around here that do, even had one refuse a push hair on unless it was folded has a wheelchair was already on board

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"In general I think it's reasonable for wheelchair users to have priority.

And it's unreasonable to harass the disabled over their influences upon their condition. That's victimization and bullying and repulsive."

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

It seems to be a similar debate with parent/child parking versus disabled parking.

It's very simple. One is a courtesy provided by the company for its customers. The other is a legal requirement.

If you are not disabled and taking up a disabled space/seat shift your arse!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Children are self inflicted and you deserve everything you get. Fold your pushchair up and sit your mewling fare dodging hellspawn on your knee and let the disabled person have the designated place.

What the actual fuck? Who the hell do you think you are??? Keep your vileness to yourself please, this was a pleasant debate until you turned up "

I'm me and that's the truth, its an open forum and I'll put what the fuck I like thanks.

If you CHOOSE to have kids then stop expecting others to make allowances for that. Particularly disabled people who probably wouldn't CHOOSE to be so given the option.

So fold the bloody pushchair up and sit the kid on your knee. If its under a certain age you're probably not paying the fare for the extra space used anyway.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Children are self inflicted and you deserve everything you get. Fold your pushchair up and sit your mewling fare dodging hellspawn on your knee and let the disabled person have the designated place.

What the actual fuck? Who the hell do you think you are??? Keep your vileness to yourself please, this was a pleasant debate until you turned up

I'm me and that's the truth, its an open forum and I'll put what the fuck I like thanks.

If you CHOOSE to have kids then stop expecting others to make allowances for that. Particularly disabled people who probably wouldn't CHOOSE to be so given the option.

So fold the bloody pushchair up and sit the kid on your knee. If its under a certain age you're probably not paying the fare for the extra space used anyway. "

Goodness Jodie, it seems you upset someone

How very unusual given your liberal _iews and diplomatic manner.

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"This is on daybreak this morning

Never watch morning telly, let me know how it progresses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It seems to be a similar debate with parent/child parking versus disabled parking.

It's very simple. One is a courtesy provided by the company for its customers. The other is a legal requirement.

If you are not disabled and taking up a disabled space/seat shift your arse!

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By *U1966Man
over a year ago

Devon

Yes every time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think the question was about being in disabled seating, it was should they move for wheel chairs , and twins aren't self inflicted, it got kind of nasty in here didn't it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Children are self inflicted and you deserve everything you get. Fold your pushchair up and sit your mewling fare dodging hellspawn on your knee and let the disabled person have the designated place.

What the actual fuck? Who the hell do you think you are??? Keep your vileness to yourself please, this was a pleasant debate until you turned up

I'm me and that's the truth, its an open forum and I'll put what the fuck I like thanks.

If you CHOOSE to have kids then stop expecting others to make allowances for that. Particularly disabled people who probably wouldn't CHOOSE to be so given the option.

So fold the bloody pushchair up and sit the kid on your knee. If its under a certain age you're probably not paying the fare for the extra space used anyway. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This may sound stupid (and probably is since I am neither a wheelchair user nor own a buggy), but why can't a space be reserved for each

But then what if two wheelchair users needed to get on? Or there were already two buggies in the spaces and then a wheelchair user needed to get on?

However inconvenient it might feel for the mother (or father, or anyone else for that matter!) with the buggy - tough! The wheelchair should take priority.

This used to regularly be an issue on the old bus route I took because (judgmental rant alert) you'd have 3 or 4 very young mums without about 9 other small children each, all wanting to get on the same bus together with their bloody massive buggies loaded down with shopping bags, woe betide any elderly or disabled people that might be 'in the way'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It seems to be a similar debate with parent/child parking versus disabled parking.

It's very simple. One is a courtesy provided by the company for its customers. The other is a legal requirement.

Exactly this - I can't see that there's any debate or any 'should' about it. The legal position is very clear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes as pushchairs can be folded down and wheelchairs can't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course they should

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Children are self inflicted and you deserve everything you get. Fold your pushchair up and sit your mewling fare dodging hellspawn on your knee and let the disabled person have the designated place.

What the actual fuck? Who the hell do you think you are??? Keep your vileness to yourself please, this was a pleasant debate until you turned up

I'm me and that's the truth, its an open forum and I'll put what the fuck I like thanks.

If you CHOOSE to have kids then stop expecting others to make allowances for that. Particularly disabled people who probably wouldn't CHOOSE to be so given the option.

So fold the bloody pushchair up and sit the kid on your knee. If its under a certain age you're probably not paying the fare for the extra space used anyway.

Goodness Jodie, it seems you upset someone

How very unusual given your liberal _iews and diplomatic manner.

I know, I'm usually rather calm and considered but that escalated pretty quickly didn't it?

The subject of children and the slack people who choose to have them get cut is a proper flashpoint for me though. Particularly in this argument when they are clearly in the wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if people didn't have kids the economy would stagger and collapse. Eventually there would be no one to manufacture wheelchairs, or drive the busses. Children are the future.

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By *orneyashell87Couple
over a year ago

stockotn on tees

"I had a newborn and an 18 month old in a twin pram. I walked everywhere and my 6 year old walked with me"

Yep me too.. I had a newborn n a 13 month old in a double pram lucky I live close to shopping centre but if needing to go further I walked everywhere. What did ppl do before u could get on a bus with a pram.. Walk.xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It seems to be a similar debate with parent/child parking versus disabled parking.

It's very simple. One is a courtesy provided by the company for its customers. The other is a legal requirement.

Exactly this - I can't see that there's any debate or any 'should' about it. The legal position is very clear."

Don't get me started on parking spaces.

Have newborn twins. Park car in a normal space.

Get buggy out of car and the only place to put it in a normal space is directly behind the car where cars are driving right past it.

Get twin one out and put them in the buggy.

The horrific bit is you then have to leave your precious baby in the buggy and pray like mad no car hits the buggy as they drive past - you have to turn your back on the buggy and walk away to get twin two out.

Return to your buggy and be relieved it, and your child is still in one piece.

Then reverse the process to get back in the car.

It's a safe enough procedure with only one child in a buggy but when you have two (or more!) that both go in a buggy and can't stand or walk, it becomes a ridiculously dangerous process.

Please people, don't steal parent and child parking spaces (I see this go on daily).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Children are self inflicted and you deserve everything you get. Fold your pushchair up and sit your mewling fare dodging hellspawn on your knee and let the disabled person have the designated place.

What the actual fuck? Who the hell do you think you are??? Keep your vileness to yourself please, this was a pleasant debate until you turned up

I'm me and that's the truth, its an open forum and I'll put what the fuck I like thanks.

If you CHOOSE to have kids then stop expecting others to make allowances for that. Particularly disabled people who probably wouldn't CHOOSE to be so given the option.

So fold the bloody pushchair up and sit the kid on your knee. If its under a certain age you're probably not paying the fare for the extra space used anyway. "

J0die...I don't disagree with what you say in regards to folding a pushchair up...if it can, some prams don't however and so need the space. What I disagree with was the way you said it ffs...You have an opinion? great lets hear it...no need to voice your opinion so vilely though.

Personally I have two kids but drive so not an issue. But you are saying that by having kids you should suddenly become a second class citizen...

ummm...yes, an interesting and somewhat ridiculous _iewpoint but nevermind...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

".....over pushchairs on public transport?

Discuss."

Of course!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Children are self inflicted and you deserve everything you get. Fold your pushchair up and sit your mewling fare dodging hellspawn on your knee and let the disabled person have the designated place.

What the actual fuck? Who the hell do you think you are??? Keep your vileness to yourself please, this was a pleasant debate until you turned up

I'm me and that's the truth, its an open forum and I'll put what the fuck I like thanks.

If you CHOOSE to have kids then stop expecting others to make allowances for that. Particularly disabled people who probably wouldn't CHOOSE to be so given the option.

So fold the bloody pushchair up and sit the kid on your knee. If its under a certain age you're probably not paying the fare for the extra space used anyway.

Personally I have two kids but drive so not an issue. But you are saying that by having kids you should suddenly become a second class citizen...

ummm...yes, an interesting and somewhat ridiculous _iewpoint but nevermind..."

I never said second class. Stop inferring things that aren't there.

I said that disabled people should have priority over their designated space rather than child owners.

People with kids are hardly second class are they? If you'd care to start a different thread on this I'd be happy to tell you why and debate the fuck out of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I had a newborn and an 18 month old in a twin pram. I walked everywhere and my 6 year old walked with me

It's what I did when my son was a baby. I have legs that function.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In my experience as a bus driver, Nobody has ever got off a packed bus to make way for a wheelchair user. They may think it is unfair, but Nobody take proactive action. "

Seen this during the summer.

A wheelchair user had missed 4 buses because the people in the designated space wouldn't move!

Made me heckles go up!

Shouted to bus driver get out of your cab and get peeps to move, he just ignored me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would always fold the pushchair down for someone in a wheelchair.

Another thing that bugged me was after folding my pushchair away noone had the courtesy to offer me a seat and was often left stood in the aisle holding a baby.

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

"This is on daybreak this morning

Never watch morning telly, let me know how it progresses "

Same old same old argument, one saying we need our prams on buses the other saying yes but fold them. Think to many people are out for themselves and no respect & understanding of other

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

What about if a wheel chair using Mum is pushing a push chair and takes the two slots on a bus? The push chair can't be folded and the child can't be held? Therefore surely legally it has now become a wheelchair for an effectively disabled (very small) person?

Come on 'yes' people answer that!

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By *et a roomCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

"Yes wheelchairs should get priority over pushchairs on a bus, pushchairs can be folded down and the child can sit on a knee.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Travel systems for example aren't exactly practical to be folded. I love how no one is giving a fuck about the safety of babies. If the child is old enough then yeah fold it down if not tough luck. I've waited over 45 minutes out in the cold with a 3 month old sickly baby in a travel system, 4 buses went past with kids old enough to come out the pushchair and not a fuck was given, bus drivers said/did fuck all either. I've also been on a bus where someone in a wheelchair has been refused access although I'd shouted to the driver that if the other buggy moved to the side I was there'd be room but the comment was ignored. If people don't have enough about them to move and they are able to then the bus driver should say something. Generally people just need to have more consideration for others. Also all this mumbo jumbo about wheelchairs not being folded, there's a woman who occasionally gets on the bus I do that can obviously walk but uses her wheelchair to guarantee a seat suppose this is acceptable though cause she's "disabled"

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

Yes, but it's why I haven't attempted a bus journey yet with our new little one.

In London you get the one space which is designated and it's kind of an awful free-for-all. At least where me and Vince live now, the buses have two separate designated areas for buggies and wheelchair users but the local area has a lot of elderly people and they usually clog it up with their shopping trollies.

It's enough to give you a complex. I think I'd rather look into travelling with Bubbah in a sling.

- Amy. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Travel systems for example aren't exactly practical to be folded. I love how no one is giving a fuck about the safety of babies. If the child is old enough then yeah fold it down if not tough luck. I've waited over 45 minutes out in the cold with a 3 month old sickly baby in a travel system, 4 buses went past with kids old enough to come out the pushchair and not a fuck was given, bus drivers said/did fuck all either. I've also been on a bus where someone in a wheelchair has been refused access although I'd shouted to the driver that if the other buggy moved to the side I was there'd be room but the comment was ignored. If people don't have enough about them to move and they are able to then the bus driver should say something. Generally people just need to have more consideration for others. Also all this mumbo jumbo about wheelchairs not being folded, there's a woman who occasionally gets on the bus I do that can obviously walk but uses her wheelchair to guarantee a seat suppose this is acceptable though cause she's "disabled" "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For disabled yes, for fatties no. "

you always post shit don't you

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By *eryBigGirlWoman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

"I would always fold the pushchair down for someone in a wheelchair.

Another thing that bugged me was after folding my pushchair away noone had the courtesy to offer me a seat and was often left stood in the aisle holding a baby.

Have you seen the video doing the rounds re this. The bus driver stopped the bus and gave his seat to the young woman stood holding her baby. When people realised they weren't going to get where they were going someone gave up their own seat for her!!

It's simple courtesy. I,until becoming disabled myself, would always give my seat up for someone who appeared less able to stand on the bus which was something instilled in me as a child by my parents!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry to hear of the passing of your husband.

It's rare people are willing to help these days. Instead they just sit and stare, tutting as loud as possible

I have always helped. Even if it means getting up from the back seat to do so. Best to be a bit vocal about it to, to shame some of the others that ignored the struggles if others. Logic itself tells you, the sooner someone helps, the sooner they are sat down and the bus can move on. I have taught my kids to do the same. And I know they do it. They don't need prompting. But the number of older men that flatly refuse to help anyone, then have the gall to moan about the drop in standards of manners nowadays astounds me.

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

"I would always fold the pushchair down for someone in a wheelchair.

Another thing that bugged me was after folding my pushchair away noone had the courtesy to offer me a seat and was often left stood in the aisle holding a baby.

I still do this, good manner cost nothing. I had a old lady try and give her space a few weeks ago, bless her, very polite

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

Sorry to hear of the passing of your husband.

It's rare people are willing to help these days. Instead they just sit and stare, tutting as loud as possible

my daughter always gets a reward for kindness to others. The world would be a better place if more people were like you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would always fold the pushchair down for someone in a wheelchair.

Another thing that bugged me was after folding my pushchair away noone had the courtesy to offer me a seat and was often left stood in the aisle holding a baby.

I still do this, good manner cost nothing. I had a old lady try and give her space a few weeks ago, bless her, very polite"

Alot of people just have a sense of entitlement with everything. Ill never forget the elderly woman who offered me her seat when I was in labour on the bus. She stayed on after her stop to make sure I got home without giving birth on the bus bless her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would always fold the pushchair down for someone in a wheelchair.

Another thing that bugged me was after folding my pushchair away noone had the courtesy to offer me a seat and was often left stood in the aisle holding a baby.

I still do this, good manner cost nothing. I had a old lady try and give her space a few weeks ago, bless her, very polite

That's what everyone should do. Peoples priorities are a little bit fucked up. I might be a hard case atheist, but even I can see that Jesus was a top guy.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"It seems to be a similar debate with parent/child parking versus disabled parking.

It's very simple. One is a courtesy provided by the company for its customers. The other is a legal requirement.

Exactly this - I can't see that there's any debate or any 'should' about it. The legal position is very clear.

Don't get me started on parking spaces.

Have newborn twins. Park car in a normal space.

Get buggy out of car and the only place to put it in a normal space is directly behind the car where cars are driving right past it.

Get twin one out and put them in the buggy.

Return to your buggy and be relieved it, and your child is still in one piece.

Then reverse the process to get back in the car.

It's a safe enough procedure with only one child in a buggy but when you have two (or more!) that both go in a buggy and can't stand or walk, it becomes a ridiculously dangerous process.

Please people, don't steal parent and child parking spaces (I see this go on daily).

I have used parent/child bays when disabled bays were all taken. They were the only bays wide enough to get my mother into her wheelchair. And in the same situation I would do it again.

Otherwise, I just use ordinary spaces.

Supermarkets have to police the misuse of disabled bays by law. The same is not true of parent/child parking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only problem I have is that Buses don't have anywhere to place my folded pram/buggy as yet it hasn't been an issue for me and I would and do always give up seat for anyone if the have to stand

One thing I thought is what if I've justpaid my bus fair to go to the next town only time I use the bus it's not exactly cheap then on the next stop I have to get off bus to allow a wheelchair user on do I get my money back especially if I was heading to an appointment I'd likely have to get a taxi so not to miss it

Buses should be more accessible for both wheelchair and buggy users

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes wheelchairs should get priority over pushchairs on a bus, pushchairs can be folded down and the child can sit on a knee.

You took the words right out of my mouth

Wrong smiley

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

Yes. I do sympathise with mums/dads with their buggies, shopping and kids in tow but the reality is that they can still fold that buggy down and the space isn't for them. The space's use is at the driver's discretion and not for them.

What is needed is more sympathetic users of public transport to help these people when they get on the bus instead of watching them struggle.

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire

"Coming into this debate at this time, no-one has actually stated the fact that there is legislation covering this issue.

Apparently First Bus have a first come first served policy which was found to be lacking in terms of the DDA and there is now an ongoing case about whether it is lawful or not.

That "first come, first served" test case was actually ruled illegal in September 2013. First Group lost their case!"

Yes but what I heard the other day seemed to suggest that this current hearing was to do with first trying to get that decision overturned. Though I was in a different room to the TV so could be wrong.

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire

"Only problem I have is that Buses don't have anywhere to place my folded pram/buggy as yet it hasn't been an issue for me and I would and do always give up seat for anyone if the have to stand

Buses should be more accessible for both wheelchair and buggy users "

Isn't there a luggage rack?

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire

I thought the idea of a travel system was that it is most often a carseat clipped into a frame, which should be quite easy to fold down and the added bonus of having the carseat to carry the baby onto the bus in.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

When my son was in a pram we had no choice but to walk everywhere then when he was in a pushchair had to fold it up get him the bags of shopping and pushchair on the bus.

I do think its great that life is easier for mums but I definetly think wheelchair uses should be given priority.

Maybe if wheelchair uses phoned ahead to say which bus they will be catching then if more than one wheelchair user wants the same bus they can be given an alternative instead of hanging around.

I use the buses quite often and never seen more than one wheelchair user want the same bus

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By *ussypussWoman
over a year ago

South Birmingham waiting for the bf to come back after crimbo

"Being fat isn't all about what they eat, it can be a side effect from medication or if they cannot walk they can gain weight.

If they don't manage their diet you are are quite correct. However, eating steamed fish and salad won't make you fat."

Disabled and fat over here but not in a wheelchair.

Steamed fish and salad won't make me fat ... just kill me as I'm severely allergic to them, I also have no thyroid to control my metabolism, so it's not purely a case of eating rabbit food for me

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By *ussypussWoman
over a year ago

South Birmingham waiting for the bf to come back after crimbo

"Supermarkets have to police the misuse of disabled bays by law. The same is not true of parent/child parking. "

Actually, they don't HAVE to police the use of disabled parking spaces, especially if the car park is on land that is not owned by the supermarket.

I personally regularly use the parent and child parking when some ignorant oik has parked in the last disabled space. I've been confronted by parents with children over it but the supermarket have actually supported me and said that I have a greater need of that space.

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By *ussypussWoman
over a year ago

South Birmingham waiting for the bf to come back after crimbo

"Children are self inflicted and you deserve everything you get. Fold your pushchair up and sit your mewling fare dodging hellspawn on your knee and let the disabled person have the designated place.

What the actual fuck? Who the hell do you think you are??? Keep your vileness to yourself please, this was a pleasant debate until you turned up "

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By *ussypussWoman
over a year ago

South Birmingham waiting for the bf to come back after crimbo

I'm not going to quote the full previous rant but I agree, children are a choice, disability is not, I have both but fortunately for me, my children are now older and I don't have to use public transport.

One thing that doesn't appear to have been brought up is that when you pay your fare on the bus, it is only for that vehicle to transport you from one place to another, you are NOT ENTITLED to a seat.

Some could argue that the elderly get their bus travel for free and as such have LESS entitlement to a seat than the obnoxious school kids (whose parents have paid bus fares for) they are sharing the transport with.

Many bus drivers are put in an untenable position, they have to contend with the vagaries of the country's road and other road users whilst being responsible for keeping their passengers safe when there could be a fight going on upstairs, load music emanating from a teenager's ipod, various telephone conversations taking place, standing passengers who are not necessarily holing onto safety rails securely, babies crying, arguments over who is or isn't allowed to park their wheelchair or buggy in the allocated disabled space, etc, etc, the list goes on.

Drivers who may want to just get out of their cab and try to sort out all these issues, in order that they may be able to do everything in their power to ensure that everyone reaches their destinations safely, has to consider the fact that someone may take offence at having been told to behave more sociably whilst on the vehicle, and in some (thankfully rare) instances, physically attack the driver, putting them in hospital. Are the risks worth it for the salary? No, they are NOT paid danger money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For disabled yes, for fatties no.

what about me? I'm disabled AND a fattie!"

Your fucked!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Was watching this on the news the other night. Part of the report showed the notice that is displayed on buses by these specifically reserved areas and it looked pretty clear cut to me.

It specifically stated that it was reserved for Wheelchair users and there was no mention of pushchairs.

As a parent myself, when my children were still in pushchairs I never once considered that I had any right to use facilities reserved for wheelchair users.

I drive, so almost never use public transport, but that said, there are facilities that exist for disabled drivers - specially reserved spaces.

Mind you, most supermarkets have sensibly provided dedicated parent and child spaces (although, in my _iew, given that cars are getting bigger due to all the safety devices that have to be fitted these days, all spaces could do with being a little wider)

I drive a sports car, which has long doors, which need to be opened wider in order ti get in and out, but I only ever use parent and child spaces when I have my kids with me.

In my opinion, this whole argument comes down to having respect for others.

Rules and laws have ti be put in place for those selfish, inconsiderate beings who have none.

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By *he Master JMan
over a year ago

Southall

"We could always just hook them up to the back of the public transport or would that be wrong just a thought

sounds fun to me. I'd do it! Stick some Crimbo lights around my wheels, wear my sons biking leathers and whey hey!

A friend of mine has a motorised wheelchair when she was in a hospital at the top of a hill she tied 3 ordinary wheelchairs to hers and they had a trip out to maccy d's

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"For disabled yes, for fatties no.

what about me? I'm disabled AND a fattie!

Your fucked!!!"

She is....quite regularly, the sexy minx!!!!

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"For disabled yes, for fatties no.

what about me? I'm disabled AND a fattie!

Your fucked!!!"

Ain't I just

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"For disabled yes, for fatties no.

what about me? I'm disabled AND a fattie!

Your fucked!!!

She is....quite regularly, the sexy minx!!!!

thanks Evie, I certainly am!

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"For disabled yes, for fatties no.

what about me? I'm disabled AND a fattie!

Your fucked!!!

She is....quite regularly, the sexy minx!!!!

thanks Evie, I certainly am!

And are a lovely person, too.

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By *ussypussWoman
over a year ago

South Birmingham waiting for the bf to come back after crimbo

"I only ever use parent and child spaces when I have my kids with me."

I saw an elderly guy and his 50something daughter getting out of a car, parked in a Parent & Child space in Tesco's car park the other day, not even a disabled blue badge in sight, so I queried their choice of parking space.

The reply ... "I'm her parent, she's my child, only parking exactly where the sign says we can!'

So, theoretically, they were well within their rights to be parking in that space but realistically what does anyone consider to be an appropriate upper age limit for the child? I've spoken to several supermarkets and they say that it is up to the parent to decide whether they should park there or not because there is no legislation governing these parking spaces

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By *nJ_NW_cplCouple
over a year ago

wirral

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By *nJ_NW_cplCouple
over a year ago

wirral

"I only ever use parent and child spaces when I have my kids with me.

All the tesco signs where we live say children under the age of 8 across the bottom

The reply ... "I'm her parent, she's my child, only parking exactly where the sign says we can!'

All the tesco signs where we live say children under the age of 8 across the bottom

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For your information not all children are self inflicted. You arrogant fuck!! People like you actually disgust me . !!!

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By *adyGardenWoman
over a year ago

LONDON (se)

I thonk it depends on the circumstance.

The spaces are intended for wheelchair users so yes they should get priority.

But if the spaces are already full then one shouldn't have to come off the bus for a wheelchair. If only one space and a wheelchair and a buggy waiting then the wheelchair user should get it.

I lot of disabled people don't travel about because it is so difficult especially the trains so anything to help them be out as much as possible is important

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I thonk it depends on the circumstance.

The spaces are intended for wheelchair users so yes they should get priority.

But if the spaces are already full then one shouldn't have to come off the bus for a wheelchair. If only one space and a wheelchair and a buggy waiting then the wheelchair user should get it.

I lot of disabled people don't travel about because it is so difficult especially the trains so anything to help them be out as much as possible is important"

A wheelchair user could wait forever to get on a bus in my area during the day. They are always full with buggies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why is there such hatred of mothers on this site? The way they are talked about on this thread is appalling.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

They do now announce that buggies have to be folded before getting on the train or they did last week

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By *nJ_NW_cplCouple
over a year ago

wirral

"Why is there such hatred of mothers on this site? The way they are talked about on this thread is appalling."

Bit strange really as without then none of us would be here xxx

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By *adyGardenWoman
over a year ago

LONDON (se)

"Why is there such hatred of mothers on this site? The way they are talked about on this thread is appalling."

Are you reading something different.

I have spotted no hatred of mothers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not a parent or disabled so I can't precisely imagine how difficult travelling is.

But as a mere observer I've noticed that supermarket carparks typically have a much greater number of wide berth parking spaces for parents than they do disabled folk.

Of course naturally a greater percentage of people are parents than those who are unfortunately disabled....

However it seems while parents require an additional few feet of room to address their children, disabled bays so very often have no extra space.

On to busses then. There is no way of making plenty of additional room on a service that is limited by the operators profitability on that given route. Some routes are loss making simply in order that the operator keeps the franchise.

At the end of the day parents and the disabled have an equal need for adequate provisions on public transport - it's the supermarkets who obviously discriminate by giving parents the prime spacious parking bays, not the bus operators so it shouldn't be their problem.

The simple fact of the matter is if several disabled people living along a country route into a town all needed to be there at the same time then they couldn't do it by bus. And perhaps neither could many parents.

The only answer to this I feel is you either will or you wont give up a space to someone else. You make your own luck after all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For disabled yes, for fatties no. "
What if that person became fat due to powerful steroids etc?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually I'm reminded of a few years ago noticing a car pulling into a disabled parking bay - something this day and age you cant help but notice as you expect someone to get out fit as a fiddle.

A couple got out - very noticeably over obese and thus I really couldn't blame them for stopping as near to the entrance as they could...

However it was a Mcdonalds restaurant I was sat outside having my lunch break!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Only problem I have is that Buses don't have anywhere to place my folded pram/buggy as yet it hasn't been an issue for me and I would and do always give up seat for anyone if the have to stand

especially if I was heading to an appointment I'd likely have to get a taxi so not to miss it

Not all buses the new double deckers around here don't

Buses should be more accessible for both wheelchair and buggy users

Isn't there a luggage rack? "

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By *issyfaggotfayeTV/TS
over a year ago

Bolton

Yes no question! Should people who use the word " Discuss" be horsewhipped ..... Yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I only ever use parent and child spaces when I have my kids with me.

All the tesco signs where we live say children under the age of 8 across the bottom

The reply ... "I'm her parent, she's my child, only parking exactly where the sign says we can!'

All the tesco signs where we live say children under the age of 8 across the bottom "

I think that most would use common sense. If I'm out with my parents, for example, in their car, my Dad doesn't park in a 'Parent with child' space - but then, although I am his child, I am not A child.

My eldest will be 9 next month and my youngest will be 7 in January. I find the wider spaces useful for getting my son out of the back seat as I drive a two door coupe.

That said, if I were to park in a narrower space, and I have done, there are ways of getting him out through without bashing the car in the next space.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For disabled yes, for fatties no. What if that person became fat due to powerful steroids etc?

What if they didn't?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Children are self inflicted and you deserve everything you get. Fold your pushchair up and sit your mewling fare dodging hellspawn on your knee and let the disabled person have the designated place.

For your information not all children are self inflicted. You arrogant fuck!! People like you actually disgust me . !!! "

Oh dear, there goes an otherwise guaranteed shag. I'm truly heartbroken.

And yes, rape aside, all children are a self inflicted choice. The only exceptions I can think of are the freak pregnancies where the woman doesn't realise until it's coming out of her.

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"For disabled yes, for fatties no.

what about me? I'm disabled AND a fattie!

Your fucked!!!

She is....quite regularly, the sexy minx!!!!

thanks Evie, I certainly am!

And are a lovely person, too.

Not as lovely as you

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By *hole Lotta Rosie OP Woman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"Yes no question! Should people who use the word " Discuss" be horsewhipped ..... Yes

Hell yes *bends over for a few thwacks*

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By *he tactile technicianMan
over a year ago

the good lands, the bad lands, the any where you may want me lands

the ruling today apparently is that wheelchair users should not be given priority and neither should it be legislated for when it comes to using the accessible areas on public transport. In stead common sense and common decency should prevail....discuss?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes wheelchairs should get priority. I was surprised by the ruling tbh.

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