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"Winston Churchill was never easily shocked! In his new biography of the wartime PM, Boris Johnson relates how one February morning, Churchill was told that one of his ministers had been caught in a compromising position. "Did I hear you correctly that so-and-so has been caught with a guardsman?", he asked his chief whip. "In Hyde Park? On a bench? At 3 o'clock in the morning?" The chief whip answered in the affirmative. Churchill took a puff of his cigar. "In this weather?", he added. "Good God man, it makes you proud to be British."" A Conservative with a Liberal attitude!  | |||
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"Winston Churchill was never easily shocked! In his new biography of the wartime PM, Boris Johnson relates how one February morning, Churchill was told that one of his ministers had been caught in a compromising position. "Did I hear you correctly that so-and-so has been caught with a guardsman?", he asked his chief whip. "In Hyde Park? On a bench? At 3 o'clock in the morning?" The chief whip answered in the affirmative. Churchill took a puff of his cigar. "In this weather?", he added. "Good God man, it makes you proud to be British."A Conservative with a Liberal attitude! "wonder if the whips office knew..  | |||
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"Winston Churchill was never easily shocked! In his new biography of the wartime PM, Boris Johnson relates how one February morning, Churchill was told that one of his ministers had been caught in a compromising position. "Did I hear you correctly that so-and-so has been caught with a guardsman?", he asked his chief whip. "In Hyde Park? On a bench? At 3 o'clock in the morning?" The chief whip answered in the affirmative. Churchill took a puff of his cigar. "In this weather?", he added. "Good God man, it makes you proud to be British."A Conservative with a Liberal attitude! "Churchill was in the Liberal Party for 20 years, before defecting to the Tories... maybe he couldnt wash the liberalism off!
Didnt he used to speak to cabinet ministers whilst he was in the bath? | |||
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"Wasn't his nickname Winnie The Pig ? " Not sure if that is one of my fantasies.... | |||
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"If you get the chance have a listen to his speech on Islam,made in the fifties or sixties,, its on youtube,,,very insighful!!" From The old school of politicians he led a Colourful life from the 1870,s he was Born to when he died In 1965 makes Previous prime ministers look humble in Comparison I bet he,s turned more than a Few times In his grave with what happens In politic,s today. | |||
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"I can't remember who it was but a woman said to him "Sir, if you were my husband, I would put poison in your coffee." He replied "Madam, if you were my wife I would drink it." What a top chap... " It was Nancy Astor!! | |||
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"He made quite a few choice quotes. My favourite was when he was confronted at a reception by Labour MP Bessie Braddock who said "Prime Minister you are d*unk" to which he replied "and in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly" "Sorry to be a pedant, but you have slightly misquoted, he actually replied yes madam, and you are ugly, but in the morning i will be sober! (apologies) | |||
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"He was a man for the moment for sure. But before we get all misty eyed he was also a serial adulterer,alcoholic, manic depressive, racist, warmonger. " No he wasn't !! | |||
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"I like his less well known ones like "oi, Hitler, you're a cunt" " | |||
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"He was a man for the moment for sure. But before we get all misty eyed he was also a serial adulterer,alcoholic, manic depressive, racist, warmonger. " Still bitter about him being a Tory ? | |||
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"He was a man for the moment for sure. But before we get all misty eyed he was also a serial adulterer,alcoholic, manic depressive, racist, warmonger. No he wasn't !!" Defo alcoholic and depressive. Not sure of the rest really. | |||
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"He was a man for the moment for sure. But before we get all misty eyed he was also a serial adulterer,alcoholic, manic depressive, racist, warmonger. No he wasn't !!" he was a great soldier and a fantastic orator but his warfare skills were greatly exaggerated Churchill is one of those rose tinted figurers that history looks upon with fondness and probably for good reason but he was also extremely flawed personality wise. | |||
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"He was a man for the moment for sure. But before we get all misty eyed he was also a serial adulterer,alcoholic, manic depressive, racist, warmonger. Still bitter about him being a Tory ?" He changed parties several times which left him with many enemies in politics!. I'm not really bothered either way like I'm not bothered Chamberlain was a Tory either. | |||
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"He was a man for the moment for sure. But before we get all misty eyed he was also a serial adulterer,alcoholic, manic depressive, racist, warmonger. No he wasn't !! he was a great soldier and a fantastic orator but his warfare skills were greatly exaggerated Churchill is one of those rose tinted figurers that history looks upon with fondness and probably for good reason but he was also extremely flawed personality wise." Aren't we all to some extent. | |||
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"Yes it's being human that gives us flaws I guess. I was pointing out that history over looks some peoples flaws while overly dwells on others!" Like Gallipoli - not Churchills finest hour, and often forgotten. | |||
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"He was a man for the moment for sure. But before we get all misty eyed he was also a serial adulterer,alcoholic, manic depressive, racist, warmonger. " You missed out mass murderer: Dresden. | |||
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"Hello Sexy Bum, "Churchill is one of those rose tinted figurers that history looks upon with fondness and probably for good reason but he was also extremely flawed personality wise." I don't think he was unique in that, so many people who are exceptional in some things have character defects, maybe that's why they are exceptional? Having said that I doubt if anyone's character is perfect? Alec" No he was particularly flawed in lots of ways as I pointed out above, i was just noting that history overlooks it more for some than others. As has been posted above his many military cock ups are very rarely known about | |||
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"He was a man for the moment for sure. But before we get all misty eyed he was also a serial adulterer,alcoholic, manic depressive, racist, warmonger. You missed out mass murderer: Dresden." that was bomber Harris. Actually Churchill wrote him a memo asking him to stop as it was making the British empire look bad, to which Harris asked him to re word the memo as Churchill's version "accused him off was crimes" | |||
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"He was a man for the moment for sure. But before we get all misty eyed he was also a serial adulterer,alcoholic, manic depressive, racist, warmonger. " Interesting that you list depression as a flaw  | |||
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"Lady Astor: Sir, if You were my husband I'd give you poison Churchill: Madam, if I was your husband, I'd drink it." One of my favourite quotes ever, makes me smile every time | |||
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"He was a man for the moment for sure. But before we get all misty eyed he was also a serial adulterer,alcoholic, manic depressive, racist, warmonger. Interesting that you list depression as a flaw "obviously I listed his manic depression as a flaw as he was first lord of the admiralty. It's never good planning tactics for major battles with someone who has death wish | |||
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"He was a man for the moment for sure. But before we get all misty eyed he was also a serial adulterer,alcoholic, manic depressive, racist, warmonger. Interesting that you list depression as a flaw obviously I listed his manic depression as a flaw as he was first lord of the admiralty.
It's never good planning tactics for major battles with someone who has death wish "Did he have a death wish? I am sure about one thing, he would love it that commies are still getting their knickers in a twist about him  | |||
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"He was a man for the moment for sure. But before we get all misty eyed he was also a serial adulterer,alcoholic, manic depressive, racist, warmonger. You missed out mass murderer: Dresden.that was bomber Harris. Actually Churchill wrote him a memo asking him to stop as it was making the British empire look bad, to which Harris asked him to re word the memo as Churchill's version "accused him off was crimes"" Churchill wielded the might of a MEMO to stop British war crimes??? pmsl | |||
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"He was a man for the moment for sure. But before we get all misty eyed he was also a serial adulterer,alcoholic, manic depressive, racist, warmonger. No he wasn't !! he was a great soldier and a fantastic orator but his warfare skills were greatly exaggerated Churchill is one of those rose tinted figurers that history looks upon with fondness and probably for good reason but he was also extremely flawed personality wise." don't we all have flaws..? that he was a depressive is not a flaw, it was an illness.. | |||
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"He was a man for the moment for sure. But before we get all misty eyed he was also a serial adulterer,alcoholic, manic depressive, racist, warmonger. You missed out mass murderer: Dresden." You could say that about goering and hitler along with himmler and the rest. | |||
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"I've always thought that Atlee was the greater, personally. "But who would win in a jelly wrestling contest? | |||
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"Sad that a thread that celebrates the wit, charisma and and speaking abilities of the Greatest Briton to ever live has been reduced to lies and distortions and party politics ... And personally I don't have a problem with what we did to Germany. We did to them what they did to us (and my parents) only we did it better and harder. The Germans shoed us NO mercy so I have NO regrets at all. For Dresden read Coventry. For Cologne read Birmingham. For Frankfurt read Glasgow. For Berlin read London. War is a filthy thing. There are no winners just those who lose least." This. 
Of course he had flaws, oh and as for the "Tory" bit, I'm proud that he was a member of the greatest (although these days looking a little ragged) political party Britain has ever had.
Gallipoli was a bit of an obsession for Churchill and was a great idea on paper but sadly it didn't work, but imagine if it had. WW1 could have been considerably shortened by an allied success there. He even carried on with the same thinking in WW2 when he wanted to land in Greece (what he called "the soft underbelly of Europe") but was overruled by the Americans.
Did he set up the Lusitania to be sunk? We will probably never know the truth, but he, rightly or wrongly, always saw the bigger picture. To him the death of a few passengers on an ocean liner was a small price to pay if it saved the lives of many thousands by bringing the Americans into the war.
Dresden? Churchill did have reservations about it, but he was under pressure from Stalin to use the RAF to help out on the eastern front, and Harris, who although subordinate to him, strongly favoured area bombing of cities as a way of shortening the war.
I would ask all the Churchill critics to ask themselves this. Had the Narvik landings turned out differently and Chamberlain carried on as Prime Minister, would any of us be here debating this today? I think not. | |||
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"Sad that a thread that celebrates the wit, charisma and and speaking abilities of the Greatest Briton to ever live has been reduced to lies and distortions and party politics ... And personally I don't have a problem with what we did to Germany. We did to them what they did to us (and my parents) only we did it better and harder. The Germans shoed us NO mercy so I have NO regrets at all. For Dresden read Coventry. For Cologne read Birmingham. For Frankfurt read Glasgow. For Berlin read London. War is a filthy thing. There are no winners just those who lose least. This.
Of course he had flaws, oh and as for the "Tory" bit, I'm proud that he was a member of the greatest (although these days looking a little ragged) political party Britain has ever had.
Gallipoli was a bit of an obsession for Churchill and was a great idea on paper but sadly it didn't work, but imagine if it had. WW1 could have been considerably shortened by an allied success there. He even carried on with the same thinking in WW2 when he wanted to land in Greece (what he called "the soft underbelly of Europe") but was overruled by the Americans.
Did he set up the Lusitania to be sunk? We will probably never know the truth, but he, rightly or wrongly, always saw the bigger picture. To him the death of a few passengers on an ocean liner was a small price to pay if it saved the lives of many thousands by bringing the Americans into the war.
Dresden? Churchill did have reservations about it, but he was under pressure from Stalin to use the RAF to help out on the eastern front, and Harris, who although subordinate to him, strongly favoured area bombing of cities as a way of shortening the war.
I would ask all the Churchill critics to ask themselves this. Had the Narvik landings turned out differently and Chamberlain carried on as Prime Minister, would any of us be here debating this today? I think not."Gallipoli could have worked. If the Allied soldiers had reached reached the heights above the beaches soon after they landed the Turks had very little to stop them moving inland and winning the battle. It was (as at Anzio) overly slow and cautious Generals who held the bulk of the troops on the beach and let the Turks consolidate the high ground. J | |||
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"He was a man for the moment for sure. But before we get all misty eyed he was also a serial adulterer,alcoholic, manic depressive, racist, warmonger. " You say that like it's a bad thing...  | |||
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Let's not make it unpleasant.
Of course the man was flawed. But then again geniuses usually are. Sigmund Freud was addicted to cocaine; Einstein once plucked a grasshopper from a field and ate it. And he's been observed playing his violin in a field with tears running down his cheeks for no reason. Michelangelo was obsessed with the male anatomy and Oscar Wilde is well known nutcase
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"Guys, this is supposed to be a cheerful thread celebrating the sharp wit and eccentricity of the man Let's not make it unpleasant.
Of course the man was flawed. But then again geniuses usually are. Sigmund Freud was addicted to cocaine; Einstein once plucked a grasshopper from a field and ate it. And he's been observed playing his violin in a field with tears running down his cheeks for no reason. Michelangelo was obsessed with the male anatomy and Oscar Wilde is well known nutcase
Churchill had his faults but he also had a very clever wit."But he was a dirty Tory so evil must have seeped from every pour. | |||
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"Sad that a thread that celebrates the wit, charisma and and speaking abilities of the Greatest Briton to ever live has been reduced to lies and distortions and party politics ... And personally I don't have a problem with what we did to Germany. We did to them what they did to us (and my parents) only we did it better and harder. The Germans shoed us NO mercy so I have NO regrets at all. For Dresden read Coventry. For Cologne read Birmingham. For Frankfurt read Glasgow. For Berlin read London. War is a filthy thing. There are no winners just those who lose least. This.
Of course he had flaws, oh and as for the "Tory" bit, I'm proud that he was a member of the greatest (although these days looking a little ragged) political party Britain has ever had.
Gallipoli was a bit of an obsession for Churchill and was a great idea on paper but sadly it didn't work, but imagine if it had. WW1 could have been considerably shortened by an allied success there. He even carried on with the same thinking in WW2 when he wanted to land in Greece (what he called "the soft underbelly of Europe") but was overruled by the Americans.
Did he set up the Lusitania to be sunk? We will probably never know the truth, but he, rightly or wrongly, always saw the bigger picture. To him the death of a few passengers on an ocean liner was a small price to pay if it saved the lives of many thousands by bringing the Americans into the war.
Dresden? Churchill did have reservations about it, but he was under pressure from Stalin to use the RAF to help out on the eastern front, and Harris, who although subordinate to him, strongly favoured area bombing of cities as a way of shortening the war.
I would ask all the Churchill critics to ask themselves this. Had the Narvik landings turned out differently and Chamberlain carried on as Prime Minister, would any of us be here debating this today? I think not."I'm fairly certain that not a lot of Churchill's critics would be focussing on those points - I think we can mostly agree he was a decent wartime leader (although some may say that it takes a monster to fight a monster). Churchills detractors (and I knew a few in my Grandfather's generation) tended to focus more on the fact that he was happy to turn the machine guns on British citizens during the general strike and his attitude to the dismantling of the empire. | |||
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" so as somebody who's read his autobiography and many of his military campaigns (yeah I know what a terrible Commy i am)I felt it good to add some balance and maybe inject a few truths that might not be known." You're not such a mad Marxist after all if you have read Churchill. Have you read his 'History of the Second World War? | |||
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