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"Sierra Leone has condemned Australia's decision to suspend entry visas for people from Ebola-affected countries in West Africa as "counterproductive" and "discriminatory". The move has also been criticised by Amnesty International. And UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has said travel restrictions will severely curtail efforts to beat Ebola. Sensible move which Britain should copy?" Its too late and would inflame race relations anyway... | |||
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"How do these kind of travel restrictions curtail efforts to beat Ebola ? Seriously ? Would love to know how stopping entry from disease affected countries possibly restrict the opportunity to stop the spread ? "I thought the same, how did Ban ki-moon come to that conclusion? Surely stopping travel from Ebola infected countries will increase the odds of stopping the spread of the disease. Not sure how he thinks it will curtail efforts? Besides Australia is an independent country, they can do what they like. Not sure they really care what anyone else thinks. | |||
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"So now we're all into this travel ban that would stop any and all flights between the UK and African countries that have documented cases of Ebola. On first glance, this probably seems like it makes a ton of sense: the first patient came into this country by flight, and stopping people from bringing the disease in should protect us. Then on second, third, and all subsequent glances, it seems like the dumbest fucking idea in the world. Desperate sick people would just sneak into the country to get medical care rather than come here willingly, which would make the disease harder to track. Doctors wouldn't be able to travel abroad to provide aid, because they wouldn't be allowed back. Poor nations would be denied help from the first world, which wouldn't be the best thing since the only reason Ebola is a problem is because it's been allowed to run rampant." not sure that anyone is saying that Doctors, other medical staff and other volunteers in what is a worsening situation should be denied return to their country of origin .. its happening now.. its a bit like a child with an infectious illness, keep them home and treat them till they're better.. | |||
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"It would stop aid workers and supplies getting to and from West Africa. From what I have read is its best to hit the outbreak hard with as much resource as possible to stop it in its tracks. Simply saying ban outright and hope local resources (with limited resource and train people) can handle this may leads to it spreading out further then it becomes more difficult to contain. Most peoples first reaction to these things is a selfish "keep it away from me"... when in reality we should be helping each other in when we see those in need. Most countries rape Africa for its mineral, oil, etc. yet we treat the people there as 3rd class citizens. If we spent have much money as we do in political wars and most of these people would have a significantly better lives free of disease. " It'll be the aid workers that eventually spread the disease. We should have enforced a quarantine and not sent anyone to help. Yes, a lot would have died but the outbreak would have probably been over by now and the risks to other areas would have been drastically reduced. | |||
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"It would stop aid workers and supplies getting to and from West Africa. From what I have read is its best to hit the outbreak hard with as much resource as possible to stop it in its tracks. Simply saying ban outright and hope local resources (with limited resource and train people) can handle this may leads to it spreading out further then it becomes more difficult to contain. Most peoples first reaction to these things is a selfish "keep it away from me"... when in reality we should be helping each other in when we see those in need. Most countries rape Africa for its mineral, oil, etc. yet we treat the people there as 3rd class citizens. If we spent have much money as we do in political wars and most of these people would have a significantly better lives free of disease. "  very well put | |||
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"cant work out why it isnt a good idea " Remember bird flu? I was in Cancun when the world decided that everything about Mexico should be avoided and Cancun was devastated as tourism literally evaporated overnight. At that time and ever since, there had never been a case of bird flu in Cancun. Think about it, say there was an outbreak of foot and mouth in the Lake District and as a consequence the French banned everyone from the UK from going to France in case they carried the virus - how would you feel? | |||
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"cant work out why it isnt a good idea Remember bird flu? I was in Cancun when the world decided that everything about Mexico should be avoided and Cancun was devastated as tourism literally evaporated overnight. At that time and ever since, there had never been a case of bird flu in Cancun. Think about it, say there was an outbreak of foot and mouth in the Lake District and as a consequence the French banned everyone from the UK from going to France in case they carried the virus - how would you feel?" Relieved  | |||
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"Makes perfect sense - really, all affected countries should be quarantined - nothing in or out. Obviously, special arrangements would be made for aid, though any returning aid workers would need to be quarantined on re-entry, for the duration of the incubation period. Anything else is foolhardy and unnecessarily risks lives. It has nothing to do with race, it has everything to do with effective epidemic control. Of course there would inevitably be some quarantine porosity, but it would minimise the incidence of contact with the infected. Those saying it will hinder the control and treatment are just spouting pc nonsense, they aren't scientists." Are you a scientist? | |||
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"Good on Australia. I've said this should have been the approach from day one..." Me too | |||
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" Are you a scientist?" Yes | |||
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"It would stop aid workers and supplies getting to and from West Africa. From what I have read is its best to hit the outbreak hard with as much resource as possible to stop it in its tracks. Simply saying ban outright and hope local resources (with limited resource and train people) can handle this may leads to it spreading out further then it becomes more difficult to contain. Most peoples first reaction to these things is a selfish "keep it away from me"... when in reality we should be helping each other in when we see those in need. Most countries rape Africa for its mineral, oil, etc. yet we treat the people there as 3rd class citizens. If we spent have much money as we do in political wars and most of these people would have a significantly better lives free of disease. It'll be the aid workers that eventually spread the disease. We should have enforced a quarantine and not sent anyone to help. Yes, a lot would have died but the outbreak would have probably been over by now and the risks to other areas would have been drastically reduced." Nigeria has recently been officialy confirmed to be Ebola free... This is mainly due to the fact being, once the first outbreak was identified, Nigeria mimicked its own rapid polio responce team ( which has been set up and used to almost eradicate polio) Having teams and centres set up for this, they were rapidly able to set up an emergency Ebola centre in Lagos. "As world leaders begin to break from their collective apathy, the lessons from Nigeria are clear. There needs to be enough trained health workers, equipment and facilities available to isolate those showing Ebola symptoms in well-equipped treatment centres. Accelerated action in west Africa, specifically educating communities about the disease, symptoms, treatment, contact tracing and how to bury the dead, can end this virus. There are no short cuts, and urgent international support is critical to building treatment centres and stopping Ebola." This will not just go away and needs swift action and treatment plus education on all these aspects.... It will not only save lives in someone " eleses back yard" but the threat of a global spead also ....  | |||
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"It would stop aid workers and supplies getting to and from West Africa. From what I have read is its best to hit the outbreak hard with as much resource as possible to stop it in its tracks. Simply saying ban outright and hope local resources (with limited resource and train people) can handle this may leads to it spreading out further then it becomes more difficult to contain. Most peoples first reaction to these things is a selfish "keep it away from me"... when in reality we should be helping each other in when we see those in need. Most countries rape Africa for its mineral, oil, etc. yet we treat the people there as 3rd class citizens. If we spent have much money as we do in political wars and most of these people would have a significantly better lives free of disease. It'll be the aid workers that eventually spread the disease. We should have enforced a quarantine and not sent anyone to help. Yes, a lot would have died but the outbreak would have probably been over by now and the risks to other areas would have been drastically reduced. Nigeria has recently been officialy confirmed to be Ebola free... This is mainly due to the fact being, once the first outbreak was identified, Nigeria mimicked its own rapid polio responce team ( which has been set up and used to almost eradicate polio) Having teams and centres set up for this, they were rapidly able to set up an emergency Ebola centre in Lagos. "As world leaders begin to break from their collective apathy, the lessons from Nigeria are clear. There needs to be enough trained health workers, equipment and facilities available to isolate those showing Ebola symptoms in well-equipped treatment centres. Accelerated action in west Africa, specifically educating communities about the disease, symptoms, treatment, contact tracing and how to bury the dead, can end this virus. There are no short cuts, and urgent international support is critical to building treatment centres and stopping Ebola." This will not just go away and needs swift action and treatment plus education on all these aspects.... It will not only save lives in someone " eleses back yard" but the threat of a global spead also .... "Of course it will just go away. It's a disease that requirer contact with contaminated body fluids. Stop the contact and the virus kills itself by killing the hosts. Then educate the survivors on the dangers of eating bushmeat.... It may not be the most elegant or humane solution but it's certainly effective. | |||
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"It would stop aid workers and supplies getting to and from West Africa. From what I have read is its best to hit the outbreak hard with as much resource as possible to stop it in its tracks. Simply saying ban outright and hope local resources (with limited resource and train people) can handle this may leads to it spreading out further then it becomes more difficult to contain. Most peoples first reaction to these things is a selfish "keep it away from me"... when in reality we should be helping each other in when we see those in need. Most countries rape Africa for its mineral, oil, etc. yet we treat the people there as 3rd class citizens. If we spent have much money as we do in political wars and most of these people would have a significantly better lives free of disease. It'll be the aid workers that eventually spread the disease. We should have enforced a quarantine and not sent anyone to help. Yes, a lot would have died but the outbreak would have probably been over by now and the risks to other areas would have been drastically reduced. Nigeria has recently been officialy confirmed to be Ebola free... This is mainly due to the fact being, once the first outbreak was identified, Nigeria mimicked its own rapid polio responce team ( which has been set up and used to almost eradicate polio) Having teams and centres set up for this, they were rapidly able to set up an emergency Ebola centre in Lagos. "As world leaders begin to break from their collective apathy, the lessons from Nigeria are clear. There needs to be enough trained health workers, equipment and facilities available to isolate those showing Ebola symptoms in well-equipped treatment centres. Accelerated action in west Africa, specifically educating communities about the disease, symptoms, treatment, contact tracing and how to bury the dead, can end this virus. There are no short cuts, and urgent international support is critical to building treatment centres and stopping Ebola." This will not just go away and needs swift action and treatment plus education on all these aspects.... It will not only save lives in someone " eleses back yard" but the threat of a global spead also ....
Of course it will just go away. It's a disease that requirer contact with contaminated body fluids. Stop the contact and the virus kills itself by killing the hosts.
Then educate the survivors on the dangers of eating bushmeat....
It may not be the most elegant or humane solution but it's certainly effective."This is people and their lives we are talking about tho? Am sure if it was in the UK to the extent it is in some places... The get on with it , it will just go away attitude would not be welcomed ... At all.... Using my logical head, if it originated from bats/ bush meat and is spread by body fluids ... Then other foods could well be contaminated too? Fruits n veg that is pissed on by infected animals perhaps? Just outta interest .... Just how many hosts do you think it will kill before ebola kills itself? And how far do that need spread before people think shit! We should actually be helping to contain this .... Not just bury our heads in some perverbial sand? Nigeria had it ... And stopped it ... Without tons of people loosing their lives. So it can be done and has been . | |||
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"It would stop aid workers and supplies getting to and from West Africa. From what I have read is its best to hit the outbreak hard with as much resource as possible to stop it in its tracks. Simply saying ban outright and hope local resources (with limited resource and train people) can handle this may leads to it spreading out further then it becomes more difficult to contain. Most peoples first reaction to these things is a selfish "keep it away from me"... when in reality we should be helping each other in when we see those in need. Most countries rape Africa for its mineral, oil, etc. yet we treat the people there as 3rd class citizens. If we spent have much money as we do in political wars and most of these people would have a significantly better lives free of disease. It'll be the aid workers that eventually spread the disease. We should have enforced a quarantine and not sent anyone to help. Yes, a lot would have died but the outbreak would have probably been over by now and the risks to other areas would have been drastically reduced. Nigeria has recently been officialy confirmed to be Ebola free... This is mainly due to the fact being, once the first outbreak was identified, Nigeria mimicked its own rapid polio responce team ( which has been set up and used to almost eradicate polio) Having teams and centres set up for this, they were rapidly able to set up an emergency Ebola centre in Lagos. "As world leaders begin to break from their collective apathy, the lessons from Nigeria are clear. There needs to be enough trained health workers, equipment and facilities available to isolate those showing Ebola symptoms in well-equipped treatment centres. Accelerated action in west Africa, specifically educating communities about the disease, symptoms, treatment, contact tracing and how to bury the dead, can end this virus. There are no short cuts, and urgent international support is critical to building treatment centres and stopping Ebola." This will not just go away and needs swift action and treatment plus education on all these aspects.... It will not only save lives in someone " eleses back yard" but the threat of a global spead also ....
Of course it will just go away. It's a disease that requirer contact with contaminated body fluids. Stop the contact and the virus kills itself by killing the hosts.
Then educate the survivors on the dangers of eating bushmeat....
It may not be the most elegant or humane solution but it's certainly effective. This is people and their lives we are talking about tho? Am sure if it was in the UK to the extent it is in some places... The get on with it , it will just go away attitude would not be welcomed ... At all.... Using my logical head, if it originated from bats/ bush meat and is spread by body fluids ... Then other foods could well be contaminated too? Fruits n veg that is pissed on by infected animals perhaps? Just outta interest .... Just how many hosts do you think it will kill before ebola kills itself? And how far do that need spread before people think shit! We should actually be helping to contain this .... Not just bury our heads in some perverbial sand? Nigeria had it ... And stopped it ... Without tons of people loosing their lives. So it can be done and has been . "The way to stop the threat is to enforce a quarantine, as I said previously. Yes, many thousands will die, but it's better than millions. That's the simplest most logical approach. Sadly it's all too late now and whether or not Nigeria has stopped the outbreak is of little consequence because it's still active in several other countries and will continue to be as long as people are allowed to travel. | |||
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"How do these kind of travel restrictions curtail efforts to beat Ebola ? Seriously ? Would love to know how stopping entry from disease affected countries possibly restrict the opportunity to stop the spread ? "Ermm a non lethal disease of foot and mouth stopped all transport of livestock across borders and europe still point the finger at the uk. Maybe containment of a highly contagious deadly disease is worth considering? | |||
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"It would stop aid workers and supplies getting to and from West Africa. From what I have read is its best to hit the outbreak hard with as much resource as possible to stop it in its tracks. Simply saying ban outright and hope local resources (with limited resource and train people) can handle this may leads to it spreading out further then it becomes more difficult to contain. Most peoples first reaction to these things is a selfish "keep it away from me"... when in reality we should be helping each other in when we see those in need. Most countries rape Africa for its mineral, oil, etc. yet we treat the people there as 3rd class citizens. If we spent have much money as we do in political wars and most of these people would have a significantly better lives free of disease. It'll be the aid workers that eventually spread the disease. We should have enforced a quarantine and not sent anyone to help. Yes, a lot would have died but the outbreak would have probably been over by now and the risks to other areas would have been drastically reduced. Nigeria has recently been officialy confirmed to be Ebola free... This is mainly due to the fact being, once the first outbreak was identified, Nigeria mimicked its own rapid polio responce team ( which has been set up and used to almost eradicate polio) Having teams and centres set up for this, they were rapidly able to set up an emergency Ebola centre in Lagos. "As world leaders begin to break from their collective apathy, the lessons from Nigeria are clear. There needs to be enough trained health workers, equipment and facilities available to isolate those showing Ebola symptoms in well-equipped treatment centres. Accelerated action in west Africa, specifically educating communities about the disease, symptoms, treatment, contact tracing and how to bury the dead, can end this virus. There are no short cuts, and urgent international support is critical to building treatment centres and stopping Ebola." This will not just go away and needs swift action and treatment plus education on all these aspects.... It will not only save lives in someone " eleses back yard" but the threat of a global spead also ....
Of course it will just go away. It's a disease that requirer contact with contaminated body fluids. Stop the contact and the virus kills itself by killing the hosts.
Then educate the survivors on the dangers of eating bushmeat....
It may not be the most elegant or humane solution but it's certainly effective. This is people and their lives we are talking about tho? Am sure if it was in the UK to the extent it is in some places... The get on with it , it will just go away attitude would not be welcomed ... At all.... Using my logical head, if it originated from bats/ bush meat and is spread by body fluids ... Then other foods could well be contaminated too? Fruits n veg that is pissed on by infected animals perhaps? Just outta interest .... Just how many hosts do you think it will kill before ebola kills itself? And how far do that need spread before people think shit! We should actually be helping to contain this .... Not just bury our heads in some perverbial sand? Nigeria had it ... And stopped it ... Without tons of people loosing their lives. So it can be done and has been .
The way to stop the threat is to enforce a quarantine, as I said previously.
Yes, many thousands will die, but it's better than millions. That's the simplest most logical approach.
Sadly it's all too late now and whether or not Nigeria has stopped the outbreak is of little consequence because it's still active in several other countries and will continue to be as long as people are allowed to travel."yes I do agree, added with education and treatment centres ... Specializing in quarantining and treatment all who are effected ... Could also stop the spread from neighbouring places not only air travel . Thus hopfully being able to save at least some lives too . Is a very sad state of affairs think the consequence of Nigeria being Ebola free actually shows that this is possible to contain Ebola and stop it in its tracks..... Lets hope so | |||
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"It would stop aid workers and supplies getting to and from West Africa. From what I have read is its best to hit the outbreak hard with as much resource as possible to stop it in its tracks. Simply saying ban outright and hope local resources (with limited resource and train people) can handle this may leads to it spreading out further then it becomes more difficult to contain. Most peoples first reaction to these things is a selfish "keep it away from me"... when in reality we should be helping each other in when we see those in need. Most countries rape Africa for its mineral, oil, etc. yet we treat the people there as 3rd class citizens. If we spent have much money as we do in political wars and most of these people would have a significantly better lives free of disease. It'll be the aid workers that eventually spread the disease. We should have enforced a quarantine and not sent anyone to help. Yes, a lot would have died but the outbreak would have probably been over by now and the risks to other areas would have been drastically reduced. Nigeria has recently been officialy confirmed to be Ebola free... This is mainly due to the fact being, once the first outbreak was identified, Nigeria mimicked its own rapid polio responce team ( which has been set up and used to almost eradicate polio) Having teams and centres set up for this, they were rapidly able to set up an emergency Ebola centre in Lagos. "As world leaders begin to break from their collective apathy, the lessons from Nigeria are clear. There needs to be enough trained health workers, equipment and facilities available to isolate those showing Ebola symptoms in well-equipped treatment centres. Accelerated action in west Africa, specifically educating communities about the disease, symptoms, treatment, contact tracing and how to bury the dead, can end this virus. There are no short cuts, and urgent international support is critical to building treatment centres and stopping Ebola." This will not just go away and needs swift action and treatment plus education on all these aspects.... It will not only save lives in someone " eleses back yard" but the threat of a global spead also ....
Of course it will just go away. It's a disease that requirer contact with contaminated body fluids. Stop the contact and the virus kills itself by killing the hosts.
Then educate the survivors on the dangers of eating bushmeat....
It may not be the most elegant or humane solution but it's certainly effective. This is people and their lives we are talking about tho? Am sure if it was in the UK to the extent it is in some places... The get on with it , it will just go away attitude would not be welcomed ... At all.... Using my logical head, if it originated from bats/ bush meat and is spread by body fluids ... Then other foods could well be contaminated too? Fruits n veg that is pissed on by infected animals perhaps? Just outta interest .... Just how many hosts do you think it will kill before ebola kills itself? And how far do that need spread before people think shit! We should actually be helping to contain this .... Not just bury our heads in some perverbial sand? Nigeria had it ... And stopped it ... Without tons of people loosing their lives. So it can be done and has been .
The way to stop the threat is to enforce a quarantine, as I said previously.
Yes, many thousands will die, but it's better than millions. That's the simplest most logical approach.
Sadly it's all too late now and whether or not Nigeria has stopped the outbreak is of little consequence because it's still active in several other countries and will continue to be as long as people are allowed to travel. yes I do agree, added with education and treatment centres ... Specializing in quarantining and treatment all who are effected ... Could also stop the spread from neighbouring places not only air travel . Thus hopfully being able to save at least some lives too . Is a very sad state of affairs think the consequence of Nigeria being Ebola free actually shows that this is possible to contain Ebola and stop it in its tracks..... Lets hope so "I think the Nigerian success has been more due to the lethality of Ebola than effective treatment. It's also why previous outbreaks have been relatively small in the past. | |||
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"How do these kind of travel restrictions curtail efforts to beat Ebola ? Seriously ? Would love to know how stopping entry from disease affected countries possibly restrict the opportunity to stop the spread ?
Ermm a non lethal disease of foot and mouth stopped all transport of livestock across borders and europe still point the finger at the uk. Maybe containment of a highly contagious deadly disease is worth considering?"That's because we killed all the infected animals. You might not want to go down that route really. | |||
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"Good on Australia. I've said this should have been the approach from day one...Me too "interesting concept.... for those who want this idea brought to the uk, I have a question..... just how many people who are citizens of these countries so far have come to the UK with ebola..... the answer is zero.... none.... nada... the only person to come into to uk with ebola was the british nurse Will Pooley... and he was flown from sierra leone here especially..... so lets now play devils advocate for the scaremongerers out there.... which kills more people.... ebola... or the flu???? you know... even after all those people have had their flu jabs and everything...... | |||
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"Good on Australia. I've said this should have been the approach from day one...Me too
interesting concept....
for those who want this idea brought to the uk, I have a question.....
just how many people who are citizens of these countries so far have come to the UK with ebola.....
the answer is zero.... none.... nada...
the only person to come into to uk with ebola was the british nurse Will Pooley... and he was flown from sierra leone here especially.....
so lets now play devils advocate for the scaremongerers out there....
which kills more people.... ebola... or the flu????
you know... even after all those people have had their flu jabs and everything......
"Roughly four thousand people will die of the flu in this country over the flu season. Should Australia restrict flights from here as well ? | |||
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"Good on Australia. I've said this should have been the approach from day one...Me too
interesting concept....
for those who want this idea brought to the uk, I have a question.....
just how many people who are citizens of these countries so far have come to the UK with ebola.....
the answer is zero.... none.... nada...
the only person to come into to uk with ebola was the british nurse Will Pooley... and he was flown from sierra leone here especially.....
so lets now play devils advocate for the scaremongerers out there....
which kills more people.... ebola... or the flu????
you know... even after all those people have had their flu jabs and everything......
"What's the mortality rate of flu? I've had it twice and I'm perfectly healthy right now. I dare say if I'd had Ebola twice it would be a different story. | |||
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"Good on Australia. I've said this should have been the approach from day one...Me too
interesting concept....
for those who want this idea brought to the uk, I have a question.....
just how many people who are citizens of these countries so far have come to the UK with ebola.....
the answer is zero.... none.... nada...
the only person to come into to uk with ebola was the british nurse Will Pooley... and he was flown from sierra leone here especially.....
so lets now play devils advocate for the scaremongerers out there....
which kills more people.... ebola... or the flu????
you know... even after all those people have had their flu jabs and everything......
What's the mortality rate of flu?
I've had it twice and I'm perfectly healthy right now. I dare say if I'd had Ebola twice it would be a different story."I've had malaria twice and it didn't kill me. Ebola is just a number reduction scheme... That's if it's real and as serious as the media is making out. Lol yet we ignore AIDS | |||
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"Good on Australia. I've said this should have been the approach from day one...Me too
interesting concept....
for those who want this idea brought to the uk, I have a question.....
just how many people who are citizens of these countries so far have come to the UK with ebola.....
the answer is zero.... none.... nada...
the only person to come into to uk with ebola was the british nurse Will Pooley... and he was flown from sierra leone here especially.....
so lets now play devils advocate for the scaremongerers out there....
which kills more people.... ebola... or the flu????
you know... even after all those people have had their flu jabs and everything......
What's the mortality rate of flu?
I've had it twice and I'm perfectly healthy right now. I dare say if I'd had Ebola twice it would be a different story."Depends on the flu. Spanish flu killed more people across Europe than WWI. Whereas Bird Flu and Swine Flu, both of which we are all convinced were going to turn into a pandemic, never did. As I read today, more people in the US have married Kim Kardashian than caught ebola there. A sense of proportion might be required. | |||
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"Good on Australia. I've said this should have been the approach from day one...Me too
interesting concept....
for those who want this idea brought to the uk, I have a question.....
just how many people who are citizens of these countries so far have come to the UK with ebola.....
the answer is zero.... none.... nada...
the only person to come into to uk with ebola was the british nurse Will Pooley... and he was flown from sierra leone here especially.....
so lets now play devils advocate for the scaremongerers out there....
which kills more people.... ebola... or the flu????
you know... even after all those people have had their flu jabs and everything......
What's the mortality rate of flu?
I've had it twice and I'm perfectly healthy right now. I dare say if I'd had Ebola twice it would be a different story.
Depends on the flu. Spanish flu killed more people across Europe than WWI. Whereas Bird Flu and Swine Flu, both of which we are all convinced were going to turn into a pandemic, never did.
As I read today, more people in the US have married Kim Kardashian than caught ebola there. A sense of proportion might be required."But we like a panic buy up. | |||
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"Good on Australia. I've said this should have been the approach from day one...Me too
interesting concept....
for those who want this idea brought to the uk, I have a question.....
just how many people who are citizens of these countries so far have come to the UK with ebola.....
the answer is zero.... none.... nada...
the only person to come into to uk with ebola was the british nurse Will Pooley... and he was flown from sierra leone here especially.....
so lets now play devils advocate for the scaremongerers out there....
which kills more people.... ebola... or the flu????
you know... even after all those people have had their flu jabs and everything......
What's the mortality rate of flu?
I've had it twice and I'm perfectly healthy right now. I dare say if I'd had Ebola twice it would be a different story.
Depends on the flu. Spanish flu killed more people across Europe than WWI. Whereas Bird Flu and Swine Flu, both of which we are all convinced were going to turn into a pandemic, never did.
As I read today, more people in the US have married Kim Kardashian than caught ebola there. A sense of proportion might be required."My point was that the mortality rate of flu in this day and age is probably less than 5% (depending on medical services), whereas Ebola has a mortality rate of around 75%. Flu is also a worldwide disease whereas Ebola is confined to Africa. Kim Kardashian should also be quarantined.... | |||
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"Good on Australia. I've said this should have been the approach from day one...Me too
interesting concept....
for those who want this idea brought to the uk, I have a question.....
just how many people who are citizens of these countries so far have come to the UK with ebola.....
the answer is zero.... none.... nada...
the only person to come into to uk with ebola was the british nurse Will Pooley... and he was flown from sierra leone here especially.....
so lets now play devils advocate for the scaremongerers out there....
which kills more people.... ebola... or the flu????
you know... even after all those people have had their flu jabs and everything......
What's the mortality rate of flu?
I've had it twice and I'm perfectly healthy right now. I dare say if I'd had Ebola twice it would be a different story.
Depends on the flu. Spanish flu killed more people across Europe than WWI. Whereas Bird Flu and Swine Flu, both of which we are all convinced were going to turn into a pandemic, never did.
As I read today, more people in the US have married Kim Kardashian than caught ebola there. A sense of proportion might be required.
My point was that the mortality rate of flu in this day and age is probably less than 5% (depending on medical services), whereas Ebola has a mortality rate of around 75%. Flu is also a worldwide disease whereas Ebola is confined to Africa.
Kim Kardashian should also be quarantined...."Some flu has a lower mortality rate here as we have better inoculations and palliative care, something the developing world is lagging behind with somewhat. In 75 years who knows? | |||
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"Good on Australia. I've said this should have been the approach from day one...Me too
interesting concept....
for those who want this idea brought to the uk, I have a question.....
just how many people who are citizens of these countries so far have come to the UK with ebola.....
the answer is zero.... none.... nada...
the only person to come into to uk with ebola was the british nurse Will Pooley... and he was flown from sierra leone here especially.....
so lets now play devils advocate for the scaremongerers out there....
which kills more people.... ebola... or the flu????
you know... even after all those people have had their flu jabs and everything......
What's the mortality rate of flu?
I've had it twice and I'm perfectly healthy right now. I dare say if I'd had Ebola twice it would be a different story.
Depends on the flu. Spanish flu killed more people across Europe than WWI. Whereas Bird Flu and Swine Flu, both of which we are all convinced were going to turn into a pandemic, never did.
As I read today, more people in the US have married Kim Kardashian than caught ebola there. A sense of proportion might be required."Maybe when there is a mild form of ebola as there is with flu then you can compare the two together. There seems to be only one form of ebola and thats the deadly lethal version. | |||
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"Good on Australia. I've said this should have been the approach from day one...Me too
interesting concept....
for those who want this idea brought to the uk, I have a question.....
just how many people who are citizens of these countries so far have come to the UK with ebola.....
the answer is zero.... none.... nada...
the only person to come into to uk with ebola was the british nurse Will Pooley... and he was flown from sierra leone here especially.....
so lets now play devils advocate for the scaremongerers out there....
which kills more people.... ebola... or the flu????
you know... even after all those people have had their flu jabs and everything......
What's the mortality rate of flu?
I've had it twice and I'm perfectly healthy right now. I dare say if I'd had Ebola twice it would be a different story.
Depends on the flu. Spanish flu killed more people across Europe than WWI. Whereas Bird Flu and Swine Flu, both of which we are all convinced were going to turn into a pandemic, never did.
As I read today, more people in the US have married Kim Kardashian than caught ebola there. A sense of proportion might be required.
My point was that the mortality rate of flu in this day and age is probably less than 5% (depending on medical services), whereas Ebola has a mortality rate of around 75%. Flu is also a worldwide disease whereas Ebola is confined to Africa.
Kim Kardashian should also be quarantined....
Some flu has a lower mortality rate here as we have better inoculations and palliative care, something the developing world is lagging behind with somewhat. In 75 years who knows?"It's still nowhere near as deadly as Ebola otherwise there would probably be no developing world! Or maybe Lemsip would be a national drink.. | |||
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"Good on Australia. I've said this should have been the approach from day one...Me too
interesting concept....
for those who want this idea brought to the uk, I have a question.....
just how many people who are citizens of these countries so far have come to the UK with ebola.....
the answer is zero.... none.... nada...
the only person to come into to uk with ebola was the british nurse Will Pooley... and he was flown from sierra leone here especially.....
so lets now play devils advocate for the scaremongerers out there....
which kills more people.... ebola... or the flu????
you know... even after all those people have had their flu jabs and everything......
What's the mortality rate of flu?
I've had it twice and I'm perfectly healthy right now. I dare say if I'd had Ebola twice it would be a different story.
Depends on the flu. Spanish flu killed more people across Europe than WWI. Whereas Bird Flu and Swine Flu, both of which we are all convinced were going to turn into a pandemic, never did.
As I read today, more people in the US have married Kim Kardashian than caught ebola there. A sense of proportion might be required.
My point was that the mortality rate of flu in this day and age is probably less than 5% (depending on medical services), whereas Ebola has a mortality rate of around 75%. Flu is also a worldwide disease whereas Ebola is confined to Africa.
Kim Kardashian should also be quarantined...."I am happy to do it | |||
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" What's the mortality rate of flu? I've had it twice and I'm perfectly healthy right now. I dare say if I'd had Ebola twice it would be a different story. Depends on the flu. Spanish flu killed more people across Europe than WWI. Whereas Bird Flu and Swine Flu, both of which we are all convinced were going to turn into a pandemic, never did. As I read today, more people in the US have married Kim Kardashian than caught ebola there. A sense of proportion might be required. My point was that the mortality rate of flu in this day and age is probably less than 5% (depending on medical services), whereas Ebola has a mortality rate of around 75%. Flu is also a worldwide disease whereas Ebola is confined to Africa. " the flu is an "airbourne" virus..... Ebola isn't.... at the point ebola ever becomes airborne... then shut the gates... but until then... like i said and others have pointed out... the flu is more lethal.... the common cold is more lethal...... | |||
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"Some remarkable comments on this thread. No one is saying that as much help and resource should be sent to the area as is possible, both in terms of human and financial capital. What Australia is doing, which is to be commended, is putting the safety of its citizens first. To suggest this is a race issue is nonsense. "It's a them and us issue. The poorest countries in the world experience natural phenomena that most western countries don't. The economy of affected countries will be hit hard and we need a global response to ensure that we, the world, don't pay for this even longer than necessary. The example of foot and mouth in the Lake District above is a good one. We aren't in a world where closing your borders will work anymore. If someone travelled by land to a country not affected and then boarded a plane how would you stop their entry? If the line is to let aid workers back home but not foreign nationals how will that prevent the spread? | |||
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" What's the mortality rate of flu? I've had it twice and I'm perfectly healthy right now. I dare say if I'd had Ebola twice it would be a different story. Depends on the flu. Spanish flu killed more people across Europe than WWI. Whereas Bird Flu and Swine Flu, both of which we are all convinced were going to turn into a pandemic, never did. As I read today, more people in the US have married Kim Kardashian than caught ebola there. A sense of proportion might be required. My point was that the mortality rate of flu in this day and age is probably less than 5% (depending on medical services), whereas Ebola has a mortality rate of around 75%. Flu is also a worldwide disease whereas Ebola is confined to Africa. the flu is an "airbourne" virus..... Ebola isn't.... at the point ebola ever becomes airborne... then shut the gates... but until then... like i said and others have pointed out... the flu is more lethal.... the common cold is more lethal......" Really?! | |||
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" What's the mortality rate of flu? I've had it twice and I'm perfectly healthy right now. I dare say if I'd had Ebola twice it would be a different story. Depends on the flu. Spanish flu killed more people across Europe than WWI. Whereas Bird Flu and Swine Flu, both of which we are all convinced were going to turn into a pandemic, never did. As I read today, more people in the US have married Kim Kardashian than caught ebola there. A sense of proportion might be required. My point was that the mortality rate of flu in this day and age is probably less than 5% (depending on medical services), whereas Ebola has a mortality rate of around 75%. Flu is also a worldwide disease whereas Ebola is confined to Africa. the flu is an "airbourne" virus..... Ebola isn't.... at the point ebola ever becomes airborne... then shut the gates... but until then... like i said and others have pointed out... the flu is more lethal.... the common cold is more lethal......" Lethal....sufficient to cause death! Either you don't know the meaning of the word lethal or confused as for every 100 people catching the three Ebola claims many many more fatalities. | |||
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" What's the mortality rate of flu? I've had it twice and I'm perfectly healthy right now. I dare say if I'd had Ebola twice it would be a different story. Depends on the flu. Spanish flu killed more people across Europe than WWI. Whereas Bird Flu and Swine Flu, both of which we are all convinced were going to turn into a pandemic, never did. As I read today, more people in the US have married Kim Kardashian than caught ebola there. A sense of proportion might be required. My point was that the mortality rate of flu in this day and age is probably less than 5% (depending on medical services), whereas Ebola has a mortality rate of around 75%. Flu is also a worldwide disease whereas Ebola is confined to Africa. the flu is an "airbourne" virus..... Ebola isn't.... at the point ebola ever becomes airborne... then shut the gates... but until then... like i said and others have pointed out... the flu is more lethal.... the common cold is more lethal......" Try telling that to the people who have caught ebola. If you did a survey and asked people what they would rather have....common cold or flu or ebola, i'd guess 0% of people would chose the ebola option. | |||
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" What's the mortality rate of flu? I've had it twice and I'm perfectly healthy right now. I dare say if I'd had Ebola twice it would be a different story. Depends on the flu. Spanish flu killed more people across Europe than WWI. Whereas Bird Flu and Swine Flu, both of which we are all convinced were going to turn into a pandemic, never did. As I read today, more people in the US have married Kim Kardashian than caught ebola there. A sense of proportion might be required. My point was that the mortality rate of flu in this day and age is probably less than 5% (depending on medical services), whereas Ebola has a mortality rate of around 75%. Flu is also a worldwide disease whereas Ebola is confined to Africa. the flu is an "airbourne" virus..... Ebola isn't.... at the point ebola ever becomes airborne... then shut the gates... but until then... like i said and others have pointed out... the flu is more lethal.... the common cold is more lethal......" Oh now you are talking out of your rectum!  | |||
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" Lethal....sufficient to cause death! Either you don't know the meaning of the word lethal or confused as for every 100 people catching the three Ebola claims many many more fatalities. " flu... absolutely... as the polks said... last year about 4000 people died from the flu in the country (and that is a good figure bearing in mind last winter was mild!) deaths from ebola in the uk... again... zero... citizens from guinea, liberia and sierra leone that have brought ebola over to the UK so far..... zero citizens from guinea, liberia and sierra leone that have brought ebola to the EU so far...... zero (all the cases of ebola that have been diagnosed so far in europe have all been europeans that have been brought back) citizens from guinea, liberia and sierra leone that have brought ebola over to the US so far..... one.... so again.... over-reacting?????? | |||
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" Lethal....sufficient to cause death! Either you don't know the meaning of the word lethal or confused as for every 100 people catching the three Ebola claims many many more fatalities. flu... absolutely... as the polks said... last year about 4000 people died from the flu in the country (and that is a good figure bearing in mind last winter was mild!) deaths from ebola in the uk... again... zero... citizens from guinea, liberia and sierra leone that have brought ebola over to the UK so far..... zero citizens from guinea, liberia and sierra leone that have brought ebola to the EU so far...... zero (all the cases of ebola that have been diagnosed so far in europe have all been europeans that have been brought back) citizens from guinea, liberia and sierra leone that have brought ebola over to the US so far..... one.... so again.... over-reacting??????" Like I said you are struggling with the concept of the word lethal and how to use it. Over reacting??????????? I would say you are. Oh and more people died from Asthma and thats not classically classed as fatal. | |||
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" Lethal....sufficient to cause death! Either you don't know the meaning of the word lethal or confused as for every 100 people catching the three Ebola claims many many more fatalities. flu... absolutely... as the polks said... last year about 4000 people died from the flu in the country (and that is a good figure bearing in mind last winter was mild!) deaths from ebola in the uk... again... zero... citizens from guinea, liberia and sierra leone that have brought ebola over to the UK so far..... zero citizens from guinea, liberia and sierra leone that have brought ebola to the EU so far...... zero (all the cases of ebola that have been diagnosed so far in europe have all been europeans that have been brought back) citizens from guinea, liberia and sierra leone that have brought ebola over to the US so far..... one.... so again.... over-reacting?????? Like I said you are struggling with the concept of the word lethal and how to use it. Over reacting??????????? I would say you are. Oh and more people died from Asthma and thats not classically classed as fatal. " Are there any doctors or nurses on here who can say which is the more deadly infection to contract.....ebola, flu, or common cold? I'm putting my money on ebola. | |||
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" Lethal....sufficient to cause death! Either you don't know the meaning of the word lethal or confused as for every 100 people catching the three Ebola claims many many more fatalities. flu... absolutely... as the polks said... last year about 4000 people died from the flu in the country (and that is a good figure bearing in mind last winter was mild!) deaths from ebola in the uk... again... zero... citizens from guinea, liberia and sierra leone that have brought ebola over to the UK so far..... zero citizens from guinea, liberia and sierra leone that have brought ebola to the EU so far...... zero (all the cases of ebola that have been diagnosed so far in europe have all been europeans that have been brought back) citizens from guinea, liberia and sierra leone that have brought ebola over to the US so far..... one.... so again.... over-reacting??????" Which would you rather be infected with? If the spread of the disease isn't stopped in its tracks then there's a good chance we could see infections in this country and others. | |||
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"Ebola has been confirmed in the USA, Spain, Belgium and the UK, do those who call for lockdown think these countries should be on the block list?" Yes Gimp | |||
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"Ebola has been confirmed in the USA, Spain, Belgium and the UK, do those who call for lockdown think these countries should be on the block list?" None of those countries have had an outbreak, just isolated cases. If there's an outbreak in any of the places listed it will be fat more devastating than those in western Africa because our transport networks are far more efficient and the chances of a single person spreading the disease to multiple people in a short space of time are greatly increased. | |||
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"Sierra Leone has condemned Australia's decision to suspend entry visas for people from Ebola-affected countries in West Africa as "counterproductive" and "discriminatory". The move has also been criticised by Amnesty International. And UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has said travel restrictions will severely curtail efforts to beat Ebola. Sensible move which Britain should copy?" Should we copy a recognised racist state? No. | |||
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"Comparing the mortality rate of the flu outbreak we have every year and the ebola outbreak is totally irrelevant, they are different in the way they spread. Where ebola to be 'air borne' then this would now be a global pandemic with tens of thousands of fatalities and possibly millions more as it spread. This is NOT about race or that its started where it has done so, one can have the debate about the inequalities, exploitation, attitudes to etc of Africa (and other places)by 'the West' but this is about now and how best to treat, resource and deal with the outbreak now.. clearly the historical issue's have played a part but its the ere and now that is the issue and stopping the disease spreading and evolving is the issue.. " but the point I am making is how many citizens from the 3 affected countries (guinea, liberia and sierra leone) have so far brought ebola to europe...... the answer is a big fat ZERO......... how many citizens from the 3 affected countries have so far brought ebola to the US....... the answer is ONE.... as someone pointed out... Kim K has had more husbands than people who have brought ebola to europe, the us, australia (if you want to add them, new zealand, india, pakistan, china.... ect ect ect.......) at the same time as the ebola outbreak started...... there was an outbreak of the bubonic plauge in a city in china so using that logic should we ban all travel with people with chinese passports..... and those who have been to from china? am i all for helping them contain it at source.. absolutely, and god bless and god speed to all the doctors and nurses and people in the armed forces who have volunteers to go out there and help..... do i believe any travel bans are overkill.. absolutely... | |||
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"Some remarkable comments on this thread. No one is saying that as much help and resource should be sent to the area as is possible, both in terms of human and financial capital. What Australia is doing, which is to be commended, is putting the safety of its citizens first. To suggest this is a race issue is nonsense. Totally agree. " | |||
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"Hunger kills more people than Ebola but it's not considered a significant problem because rich people can't die from it. " as does preventable diseases, infant mortality due to lack of decent provision, lack of clean water, malaria, smoking related, alcohol related etc etc.. and yes I share with you that these are all wrong.. we don't, never have and never will exist in a fair and equal world.. | |||
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