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Is The Arab Spring Now A Winter Of Discontent?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Libya, Egypt, Syria. Are they in a better or worse position as a result of the Arab Spring?

The West backed these popular revolutions, China and Russia seemed to be against them. Who showed the best judgement?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

The real insight will come from within, do the people of these countries feel their lives are richer/safer/more secure...

I am not sure they will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow if you can answer this question you should be in politics.

It's always going to be a hard one to answer given the not only political but religious aspects involved, as well as financial.

Honestly I have no idea.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The real insight will come from within, do the people of these countries feel their lives are richer/safer/more secure...

I am not sure they will."

I'm with you on this one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah, its funny how the West's judgement gets such bad press.

Is that because we have freedom of speech, so the dissenting voices actually get heard?

Who would you trust to save *your* arse?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Democracy is an alien concept to these lands.

It would be like imposing aristocracy on Tooting Broadway...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

These 'revolutions' need time to settle. All the interventions from west or east will only make it take longer for things to settle down. Whichever way they go, people will suffer, there will be bloodshed, there will be a humanitarian crisis. All we should be doing is offering help to the 'ordinary people of the region, with no regard to what 'side' they appear to be supporting. No military aid to any factions, but we must be ready to protect our own interests.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

More headache and heartache to come I think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Libya, Egypt, Syria. Are they in a better or worse position as a result of the Arab Spring?

The West backed these popular revolutions, China and Russia seemed to be against them. Who showed the best judgement? "

The west activitly encouraged them by supplying weapons n military training.

The child off all this is called isis.

It's all just a way off weakening the middle east, so Israel can do as it likes.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

We have a long history of interfering with the Middle East.

We created Israel without much thought of the Palestinians.

We supported the Shah of Iran until we didn't.

We supported the Iranian revolution until we didn't.

We supported Gaddafi until we didn't.

We supported Mubarak until we didn't.

We supported Assad until we didn't.

A lot of problems Iraq is now facing is because of the British Mandate that didn't take into account the ethnic divisions of the region and so ever since we've had warring factions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you might like this:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/24/us-mediterranean-powers-idUSBRE90N0F920130124

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We have a long history of interfering with the Middle East.

We created Israel without much thought of the Palestinians.

We supported the Shah of Iran until we didn't.

We supported the Iranian revolution until we didn't.

We supported Gaddafi until we didn't.

We supported Mubarak until we didn't.

We supported Assad until we didn't.

A lot of problems Iraq is now facing is because of the British Mandate that didn't take into account the ethnic divisions of the region and so ever since we've had warring factions. "

are you blaming the UK or just the West in general?

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


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are you blaming the UK or just the West in general?"

Well the British Mandate was UK.

The others are positions taken by the UK along with other Western countries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

are you blaming the UK or just the West in general?

Well the British Mandate was UK.

The others are positions taken by the UK along with other Western countries. "

Don't you like The UK?

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"

are you blaming the UK or just the West in general?

Well the British Mandate was UK.

The others are positions taken by the UK along with other Western countries.

Don't you like The UK?"

Of course I do, that doesn't mean I'm not able to be objective about the historical influence of my own country.

I don't try to revise history because it might be uncomfortable for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

would you rather the Uk did nothing? Would you rather there was no Israel?

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"would you rather the Uk did nothing? Would you rather there was no Israel?"

I'd rather there was a viable Israel and Palestine, not one or the other.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would you rather NATO had done nothing during the genocide of Muslims in the Serbia?

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"Would you rather NATO had done nothing during the genocide of Muslims in the Serbia? "

I'm glad we were able to intervene there.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

Don't you like The UK?"

Are you struggling in this debate?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Would you rather NATO had done nothing during the genocide of Muslims in the Serbia?

I'm glad we were able to intervene there. "

Seems like some have a short memory doesn't it?

why do we intervene in middle east problems these days? is it to stop Israel turning the area into glass? probably. Tricky to drill for oil through glass. Do i want petrol in my car? yep. would i rather The UK shared the foreign policy of Russia or China, or Sweden?! nope. Can we stop the Arabs hating each other and us? As long as they remain partly educated,sexist and insular. no.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Libya, Egypt, Syria. Are they in a better or worse position as a result of the Arab Spring?

The West backed these popular revolutions, China and Russia seemed to be against them. Who showed the best judgement? "

Its not the case though is it if you look at it clinically. The original regimes were oppressive people taken off the streets by the special police people abused and worse so it wasn't good before. In an ideal world everyone would have a say but in lawless areas the power of the fist has a large say sadly. You create a vacuum and not dictate who takes over its a free for all.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


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Seems like some have a short memory doesn't it?

"

No, I said we have a long history of interfering with the Middle East. I didn't say it was good or bad. Rather than asking me to clarify you just made the assumption that I thought all intervention was bad.

I was merely pointing out that the consequences of our actions sometimes create unfavourable outcomes.

Luckily in the case of the Balkans that wasn't the case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Seems like some have a short memory doesn't it?

No, I said we have a long history of interfering with the Middle East. I didn't say it was good or bad. Rather than asking me to clarify you just made the assumption that I thought all intervention was bad.

I was merely pointing out that the consequences of our actions sometimes create unfavourable outcomes.

Luckily in the case of the Balkans that wasn't the case. "

not you, Muslims.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course Gaddafi had to go once he'd thought up the single African currency. Just not cricket old boy. your numbers up.

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