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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

daily mirror running a poll to see if bulldogs should be banned!!

yes the circumstance of that particular article are horrible but that is down to the owner yet again not the breed.

i votted no, my bullies are like babies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"daily mirror running a poll to see if bulldogs should be banned!!

yes the circumstance of that particular article are horrible but that is down to the owner yet again not the breed.

i votted no, my bullies are like babies"

Is it bulldogs or bull breeds? Not that it makes any difference, BSL doesn't work.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Bad owners should be banned.

I think perhaps certain breeds should require an ownership permit. Potential owners should be background checked and should need references or an interview to demonstrate they are likely to be responsible owners.

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By *histler21Man
over a year ago

Ipswich

Muzzle dogs when outside - and the problem goes away. Simples.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

i shouldnt have to muzzle my dogs cause that give people a bad image immediatly.

the article is about american bulldogs and some breeder who lost his arm after a fight with his own dogs then when out walking six of them they supposidly attacked 3 people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Muzzle dogs when outside - and the problem goes away. Simples."

I'm with this. It should be law that every dog is muzzled while outside. They should be taken from the owner if they are not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are some folk on this site ought to be muzzled

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree, bulldogs shouldn't be allowed as pets. Whatever next, snakes? where will it all end?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We re not dog owners but muzzling we think is extreme x we really believe that responsible dog owners will not mind being vetted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Muzzle dogs when outside - and the problem goes away. Simples.

I'm with this. It should be law that every dog is muzzled while outside. They should be taken from the owner if they are not. "

How will that affect my gundogs?

Kids will no longer be able to throw a ball/stick for a dog to fetch.

Certain breeds should be muzzled but not all.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

an ownrship permit is a great idea in theory but with back yard breeders and gumtree it would be impossible to enforce, over here we have dog licences and half the people that have a dog dont have one.

i hate having to muzzle my dogs but by that logic can we muzzle all children and keep them on short leads too?

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By *histler21Man
over a year ago

Ipswich


"i shouldnt have to muzzle my dogs cause that give people a bad image immediatly.

the article is about american bulldogs and some breeder who lost his arm after a fight with his own dogs then when out walking six of them they supposidly attacked 3 people"

A supposedly harmless dog wandered over to my grandson on the beach and put his paws in my grandson's shoulder - he is now terrified of dogs.

Although it didn't happen - the dog could easily have bitten him - and there would have been nothing the owner could have done to stop it happening. A muzzle would have prevented that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

the dog being on a lead would have prevented that, my dogs are all kept on leads when in public parks or beeches and are only let off when in the fields here or a designated dog park

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Muzzle dogs when outside - and the problem goes away. Simples.

I'm with this. It should be law that every dog is muzzled while outside. They should be taken from the owner if they are not.

How will that affect my gundogs?

Kids will no longer be able to throw a ball/stick for a dog to fetch.

Certain breeds should be muzzled but not all."

Aren't most dog bites attributed to Labradors ? I'm sure most of these owners are deemed responsible. I'm sure we can live without little johnny throwing a ball if it means little Jack is safe to walk around his local park.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

dog bite statistics are often wrong due to mixed breed and popularity of the breed.

according to a temper test on dogs your more likely to get bitten by one of the smaller breeds but each dog is an individual same as a person.

im all for having them on leads in public cause u dont know whos afraid of dogs and dont want to spoil their walk or family time but at the same time parks should provide an off lead area that dog owners can go to play fetch

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"an ownrship permit is a great idea in theory but with back yard breeders and gumtree it would be impossible to enforce, over here we have dog licences and half the people that have a dog dont have one.

i hate having to muzzle my dogs but by that logic can we muzzle all children and keep them on short leads too?"

I have never read a newspaper report saying that someone has been bitten by a child in a park.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Muzzle dogs when outside - and the problem goes away. Simples.

I'm with this. It should be law that every dog is muzzled while outside. They should be taken from the owner if they are not.

How will that affect my gundogs?

Kids will no longer be able to throw a ball/stick for a dog to fetch.

Certain breeds should be muzzled but not all.

Aren't most dog bites attributed to Labradors ? I'm sure most of these owners are deemed responsible. I'm sure we can live without little johnny throwing a ball if it means little Jack is safe to walk around his local park. "

But being bite by a Labrador doesn't make as good a headline as being bite by a "devil" dog.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

i never said they bite but some do and some are incrdibly annoying and running wild, i have even had a child come up behind one of my dogs and grab its tail. so the same way that owners are to blame for their dogs parents are to blame for their children

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


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i hate having to muzzle my dogs but by that logic can we muzzle all children and keep them on short leads too?"

Only if they could potentially rip a person to shreds while off the lead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"dog bite statistics are often wrong due to mixed breed and popularity of the breed.

according to a temper test on dogs your more likely to get bitten by one of the smaller breeds but each dog is an individual same as a person.

im all for having them on leads in public cause u dont know whos afraid of dogs and dont want to spoil their walk or family time but at the same time parks should provide an off lead area that dog owners can go to play fetch"

I agree with designated dog areas where you can unmuzzle and throw balls and sticks to your hearts content. But they should be fenced off.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Muzzle dogs when outside - and the problem goes away. Simples.

I'm with this. It should be law that every dog is muzzled while outside. They should be taken from the owner if they are not.

How will that affect my gundogs?

Kids will no longer be able to throw a ball/stick for a dog to fetch.

Certain breeds should be muzzled but not all.

Aren't most dog bites attributed to Labradors ? I'm sure most of these owners are deemed responsible. I'm sure we can live without little johnny throwing a ball if it means little Jack is safe to walk around his local park.

But being bite by a Labrador doesn't make as good a headline as being bite by a "devil" dog. "

there was a kid here a couple weeks ago got mauled by a jack russel, poor child had to have god knows how many stiches in his face but that didnt make the news

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"dog bite statistics are often wrong due to mixed breed and popularity of the breed.

according to a temper test on dogs your more likely to get bitten by one of the smaller breeds but each dog is an individual same as a person.

im all for having them on leads in public cause u dont know whos afraid of dogs and dont want to spoil their walk or family time but at the same time parks should provide an off lead area that dog owners can go to play fetch

I agree with designated dog areas where you can unmuzzle and throw balls and sticks to your hearts content. But they should be fenced off. "

if all dogs where on lead there would be no need for muzzle but yes thats what i meant by a dog area, a big fenced off space where dogs can run about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Muzzle dogs when outside - and the problem goes away. Simples."

Sarah x

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"an ownrship permit is a great idea in theory but with back yard breeders and gumtree it would be impossible to enforce, over here we have dog licences and half the people that have a dog dont have one.

i hate having to muzzle my dogs but by that logic can we muzzle all children and keep them on short leads too?"

Maybe dogs need registration plates and we need an ANPR system for them

I'm sure the licence situation could be controlled better than it is. If the costs associated with problem dogs owners, dog attacks and dog fighting were considered, I'm fairly sure it would be cost effective to put more resources in to managing it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If kids can't play in a park without the fear of being bitten by a dog , it's a sad state of affairs .

Some dog owners treat their dogs better than some parents treat their kids , but that's life I guess .

And ultimately it comes down to this , dog owners don't want anyone saying their dog could maul a child , and get all defensive . But if the dog was on a lead , or had a muzzle it wouldn't happen , or be in the media and there would be no need to get so defensive .

Potentially a child could wind up any dog , deliberately or innocently , and the consequences can be fatal . Prevention is better than treatment ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

if vets had to ask for a licence before treatment it would easily show the licensed and unlicensed.

but then again we have unreg vets here that the majority of grey hound men use. my pitbull came from a dog fighting situation but she was only a teeny puppy then, is good as gold now and does agility, weight pulling and charity shows to show how good the breed can be. i went through all the behaviour tests to make sure i could have her exempted of the dangerous dogs list and she passed them all, im not then going to turn around and muzzle her when she has past all testing with flying colours

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

Its not the dogs its the owners, a well trained dog will never let you down. All dog owners should be made to train their dogs, i,v had German Sheperd dogs for the last 25 yrs always had 2 or more dogs at the same time and i never put my dogs on a lead. Train the dog or don,t get one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Muzzle dogs when outside - and the problem goes away. Simples.

I'm with this. It should be law that every dog is muzzled while outside. They should be taken from the owner if they are not.

How will that affect my gundogs?

Kids will no longer be able to throw a ball/stick for a dog to fetch.

Certain breeds should be muzzled but not all.

Aren't most dog bites attributed to Labradors ? I'm sure most of these owners are deemed responsible. I'm sure we can live without little johnny throwing a ball if it means little Jack is safe to walk around his local park.

But being bite by a Labrador doesn't make as good a headline as being bite by a "devil" dog.

there was a kid here a couple weeks ago got mauled by a jack russel, poor child had to have god knows how many stiches in his face but that didnt make the news"

Wouldn't that have been prevented if the dog was muzzled ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

yes i agree prevention is the best approach but if i where to muzzle my dogs people would immediately think the worst. so that is why i opt for leads. all short leads not those awful extendable things

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Muzzle dogs when outside - and the problem goes away. Simples.

I'm with this. It should be law that every dog is muzzled while outside. They should be taken from the owner if they are not.

How will that affect my gundogs?

Kids will no longer be able to throw a ball/stick for a dog to fetch.

Certain breeds should be muzzled but not all.

Aren't most dog bites attributed to Labradors ? I'm sure most of these owners are deemed responsible. I'm sure we can live without little johnny throwing a ball if it means little Jack is safe to walk around his local park.

But being bite by a Labrador doesn't make as good a headline as being bite by a "devil" dog.

there was a kid here a couple weeks ago got mauled by a jack russel, poor child had to have god knows how many stiches in his face but that didnt make the news

Wouldn't that have been prevented if the dog was muzzled ? "

that was in a garden, it would have been prevented if the dog was under control and on a lead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"yes i agree prevention is the best approach but if i where to muzzle my dogs people would immediately think the worst. so that is why i opt for leads. all short leads not those awful extendable things"

But does it really matter what people think. If all dogs are muzzled then they all look the same. It would just become natural to see dogs muzzled therefore no one would think the worst.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Muzzle dogs when outside - and the problem goes away. Simples.

I'm with this. It should be law that every dog is muzzled while outside. They should be taken from the owner if they are not.

How will that affect my gundogs?

Kids will no longer be able to throw a ball/stick for a dog to fetch.

Certain breeds should be muzzled but not all.

Aren't most dog bites attributed to Labradors ? I'm sure most of these owners are deemed responsible. I'm sure we can live without little johnny throwing a ball if it means little Jack is safe to walk around his local park.

But being bite by a Labrador doesn't make as good a headline as being bite by a "devil" dog.

there was a kid here a couple weeks ago got mauled by a jack russel, poor child had to have god knows how many stiches in his face but that didnt make the news

Wouldn't that have been prevented if the dog was muzzled ?

that was in a garden, it would have been prevented if the dog was under control and on a lead"

But the most important factor was the dog bit the child. If it was muzzled there would have been no bite. A dog on a lead can still bite.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i shouldnt have to muzzle my dogs cause that give people a bad image immediatly.

the article is about american bulldogs and some breeder who lost his arm after a fight with his own dogs then when out walking six of them they supposidly attacked 3 people

A supposedly harmless dog wandered over to my grandson on the beach and put his paws in my grandson's shoulder - he is now terrified of dogs.

Although it didn't happen - the dog could easily have bitten him - and there would have been nothing the owner could have done to stop it happening. A muzzle would have prevented that.

"

I'm sorry a muzzle would of stopped something that didn't happen?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Muzzle dogs when outside - and the problem goes away. Simples.

I'm with this. It should be law that every dog is muzzled while outside. They should be taken from the owner if they are not. "

Dogs only attack outdoors then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Muzzle dogs when outside - and the problem goes away. Simples.

I'm with this. It should be law that every dog is muzzled while outside. They should be taken from the owner if they are not.

Dogs only attack outdoors then?"

No, but how would you force owners to muzzle dogs in their homes ? It's quite clear what I meant, if you are exercising you dog in public you should muzzle it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Truly sick of reading about "dangerous dogs"

The most common dog attacks are made by Jack Russels yet they are not classified as dangerous dogs. I dont think ALL dogs should be muzzled, dogs that bite should be muzzled, they should be kept on a lead when out on a walk, I had a staffordshire bull terrier and she was the sweetest dog didnt attack, loved people and children, she was a "dangerous dog" my arse the label is used too freely. My mum has an akita also a "dangerous dog" softest dog you would ever meet and totally stupid.

There is no such thing as a dangerous dog just stupid and irresponsible dog owners.

Rant over.

Miss Jay

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"Truly sick of reading about "dangerous dogs"

The most common dog attacks are made by Jack Russels yet they are not classified as dangerous dogs. I dont think ALL dogs should be muzzled, dogs that bite should be muzzled, they should be kept on a lead when out on a walk, I had a staffordshire bull terrier and she was the sweetest dog didnt attack, loved people and children, she was a "dangerous dog" my arse the label is used too freely. My mum has an akita also a "dangerous dog" softest dog you would ever meet and totally stupid.

There is no such thing as a dangerous dog just stupid and irresponsible dog owners.

Rant over.

Miss Jay"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh and also alot of dog attacks on children happen because the parent or gaurdian of that child is not supervising them properly. If you leave a child alone with a dog your asking for trouble, likewise if you dont teach a child not to approach dogs they dont know.

Alot of dogs turn vicious towards kids because they have been tormented by them.

My younger brother once sat with a timid collie and played a guitar right near him the dog freaked out and bit his face, that was not the dogs fault that was my brothers fault, he scared the dog and it defended itself the only way it could.

Definatley rant over now

Miss Jay

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

I can see that putting muzzles on all dogs in public would prevent the dog biting but its the owners that need looking into..

all cars fitted with automated speed limiters in certain area's eg. 20mph in all places where a car and a person might come into contact would of course reduce levels of injury and death's but is it the answer..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Muzzle dogs when outside - and the problem goes away. Simples.

I'm with this. It should be law that every dog is muzzled while outside. They should be taken from the owner if they are not.

Dogs only attack outdoors then?

No, but how would you force owners to muzzle dogs in their homes ? It's quite clear what I meant, if you are exercising you dog in public you should muzzle it. "

There are a lot of good arguments here, but the face ramains, dogs, whatever breed are unpredictable. Yes there are some shit owners who provoke bad behaviour in dogs. But if they get it in their heads to attack children or adults, they will. When I was 12, we got a golden lab, most placid soppy thing in the world, never put a foot wrong. Got to about 10 11 years old and one day charged at a toddler bearing his teeth and barking his head off. Never let him off the lead again and wondered why I ever did allow him that freedom, but he had never given us a reason not to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't subscribe to the whole 'there's no such thing as a dangerous dog, just dangerous owners' thing.

At the end of the day a dog is an animal, if it suddenly or unexpected gets spooked by something an automatic defence mechanism can be set off which triggers a reaction to defend itself. A dog can be as passive as anything for years - then suddenly gets alarmed and the defence mechanism sets off!

How many times have you heard about dog attacks and all the quotes are like 'Ripper was such a lovely dog, I really can't understand why he mauled and mutilated little Josie like that, it was so out of character!' - I don't see the need to own aggressive breeds personally (just my view, I appreciate others views may differ) but I do agree that owners need to very responsible if they do own them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Muzzle dogs when outside - and the problem goes away. Simples.

I'm with this. It should be law that every dog is muzzled while outside. They should be taken from the owner if they are not.

Dogs only attack outdoors then?

No, but how would you force owners to muzzle dogs in their homes ? It's quite clear what I meant, if you are exercising you dog in public you should muzzle it.

There are a lot of good arguments here, but the face ramains, dogs, whatever breed are unpredictable. Yes there are some shit owners who provoke bad behaviour in dogs. But if they get it in their heads to attack children or adults, they will. When I was 12, we got a golden lab, most placid soppy thing in the world, never put a foot wrong. Got to about 10 11 years old and one day charged at a toddler bearing his teeth and barking his head off. Never let him off the lead again and wondered why I ever did allow him that freedom, but he had never given us a reason not to. "

. I posted simultaneously to you. Exactly the point I was trying to make but you made it in a much more articulate way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Truly sick of reading about "dangerous dogs"

The most common dog attacks are made by Jack Russels yet they are not classified as dangerous dogs. I dont think ALL dogs should be muzzled, dogs that bite should be muzzled, they should be kept on a lead when out on a walk, I had a staffordshire bull terrier and she was the sweetest dog didnt attack, loved people and children, she was a "dangerous dog" my arse the label is used too freely. My mum has an akita also a "dangerous dog" softest dog you would ever meet and totally stupid.

There is no such thing as a dangerous dog just stupid and irresponsible dog owners.

Rant over.

Miss Jay"

But how do you determine which dogs bite ?

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

Why is it always the dog that suffers NOT all dogs are bad, if you were mugged by two teenagers does that mean all teenagers are muggers i don,t think so, its the same with dogs but unlike teenagers the dogs are put down. Far too many narrow minded people in this world as far as dogs are concerned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is no such thing as a dangerous dog just stupid and irresponsible dog owners.

Miss Jay"

You're deluded.

Some owners are to blame, absolutely.

Some dogs just attack, even when brought up in a decent loving environment.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"Truly sick of reading about "dangerous dogs"

The most common dog attacks are made by Jack Russels yet they are not classified as dangerous dogs. I dont think ALL dogs should be muzzled, dogs that bite should be muzzled, they should be kept on a lead when out on a walk, I had a staffordshire bull terrier and she was the sweetest dog didnt attack, loved people and children, she was a "dangerous dog" my arse the label is used too freely. My mum has an akita also a "dangerous dog" softest dog you would ever meet and totally stupid.

There is no such thing as a dangerous dog just stupid and irresponsible dog owners.

Rant over.

Miss Jay

But how do you determine which dogs bite ? "

You can,t just like you can,t determine which human will kill or rob you. But we don,t punish everyone because one person kills so why punish all dogs because of a few bad owners

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"Muzzle dogs when outside - and the problem goes away. Simples.

Kids will no longer be able to throw a ball/stick for a dog to fetch"

Velcro muzzles with special furry balls/sticks. Where's that number for Dragon's Den?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Muzzle dogs when outside - and the problem goes away. Simples.

Kids will no longer be able to throw a ball/stick for a dog to fetch

Velcro muzzles with special furry balls/sticks. Where's that number for Dragon's Den?

"
That's actually a good idea!

Sarah x

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Truly sick of reading about "dangerous dogs"

The most common dog attacks are made by Jack Russels yet they are not classified as dangerous dogs. I dont think ALL dogs should be muzzled, dogs that bite should be muzzled, they should be kept on a lead when out on a walk, I had a staffordshire bull terrier and she was the sweetest dog didnt attack, loved people and children, she was a "dangerous dog" my arse the label is used too freely. My mum has an akita also a "dangerous dog" softest dog you would ever meet and totally stupid.

There is no such thing as a dangerous dog just stupid and irresponsible dog owners.

Rant over.

Miss Jay

But how do you determine which dogs bite ?

You can,t just like you can,t determine which human will kill or rob you. But we don,t punish everyone because one person kills so why punish all dogs because of a few bad owners"

But is muzzling a punishment , dogs don't suffer by being muzzled.

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

Since the worst attacks are generally in the dog's own home or garden then muzzling in public spaces would do very little.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Muzzle dogs when outside - and the problem goes away. Simples.

I'm with this. It should be law that every dog is muzzled while outside. They should be taken from the owner if they are not. "

I agree. Muzzle dogs. I've been bitten before and I know others that have as well. Unprovoked. Dogs will get used to it, as they got used to leads. My friend muzzles his large scary dog and his dog is fine with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are some folk on this site ought to be muzzled"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are many humans that should be muzzled when in public and fewer dogs that should face that punishment.

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes

I have a two year old Rottie who is more likely to lick you to death. He is kept on the lead whenever in the park or beach unless it's quiet. He has been attacked several times by Jack Russells. He was on the lead and they weren't. One owner even said her dog was frightened!!! She's lucky I didn't drop my lad's lead.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"Since the worst attacks are generally in the dog's own home or garden then muzzling in public spaces would do very little."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have a two year old Rottie who is more likely to lick you to death. He is kept on the lead whenever in the park or beach unless it's quiet. He has been attacked several times by Jack Russells. He was on the lead and they weren't. One owner even said her dog was frightened!!! She's lucky I didn't drop my lad's lead. "

Would your lad have licked the Jack russell to death ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"daily mirror running a poll to see if bulldogs should be banned!!

yes the circumstance of that particular article are horrible but that is down to the owner yet again not the breed.

i votted no, my bullies are like babies"

That's ridiculous.They are a gorgeous dog.A typical British Breed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Since the worst attacks are generally in the dog's own home or garden then muzzling in public spaces would do very little.

b)"

Apart from reasure people that they wouldn't be bitten.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are many humans that should be muzzled when in public and fewer dogs that should face that punishment."

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"Truly sick of reading about "dangerous dogs"

The most common dog attacks are made by Jack Russels yet they are not classified as dangerous dogs. I dont think ALL dogs should be muzzled, dogs that bite should be muzzled, they should be kept on a lead when out on a walk, I had a staffordshire bull terrier and she was the sweetest dog didnt attack, loved people and children, she was a "dangerous dog" my arse the label is used too freely. My mum has an akita also a "dangerous dog" softest dog you would ever meet and totally stupid.

There is no such thing as a dangerous dog just stupid and irresponsible dog owners.

Rant over.

Miss Jay

But how do you determine which dogs bite ?

You can,t just like you can,t determine which human will kill or rob you. But we don,t punish everyone because one person kills so why punish all dogs because of a few bad owners

But is muzzling a punishment , dogs don't suffer by being muzzled.

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My dogs both carry a ball can,t do that with a muzzle on. You can,t punish all dogs because of a few BAD owners.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Truly sick of reading about "dangerous dogs"

The most common dog attacks are made by Jack Russels yet they are not classified as dangerous dogs. I dont think ALL dogs should be muzzled, dogs that bite should be muzzled, they should be kept on a lead when out on a walk, I had a staffordshire bull terrier and she was the sweetest dog didnt attack, loved people and children, she was a "dangerous dog" my arse the label is used too freely. My mum has an akita also a "dangerous dog" softest dog you would ever meet and totally stupid.

There is no such thing as a dangerous dog just stupid and irresponsible dog owners.

Rant over.

Miss Jay

But how do you determine which dogs bite ?

You can,t just like you can,t determine which human will kill or rob you. But we don,t punish everyone because one person kills so why punish all dogs because of a few bad owners

But is muzzling a punishment , dogs don't suffer by being muzzled.

My dogs both carry a ball can,t do that with a muzzle on. You can,t punish all dogs because of a few BAD owners."

I can't see how that is punishing the dog. It's still getting its exercise and being allowed to do its business.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is no such thing as a dangerous dog just stupid and irresponsible dog owners.

Miss Jay

You're deluded.

Some owners are to blame, absolutely.

Some dogs just attack, even when brought up in a decent loving environment. "

Excuse me? There is no need to insult me i am far from deluded, im speaking from my own personal experience and from the majority of what is known about dog attacks, not what is written in a paper.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Truly sick of reading about "dangerous dogs"

The most common dog attacks are made by Jack Russels yet they are not classified as dangerous dogs. I dont think ALL dogs should be muzzled, dogs that bite should be muzzled, they should be kept on a lead when out on a walk, I had a staffordshire bull terrier and she was the sweetest dog didnt attack, loved people and children, she was a "dangerous dog" my arse the label is used too freely. My mum has an akita also a "dangerous dog" softest dog you would ever meet and totally stupid.

There is no such thing as a dangerous dog just stupid and irresponsible dog owners.

Rant over.

Miss Jay

But how do you determine which dogs bite ?

You can,t just like you can,t determine which human will kill or rob you. But we don,t punish everyone because one person kills so why punish all dogs because of a few bad owners

But is muzzling a punishment , dogs don't suffer by being muzzled. "

would you like having a mask over your mouth making it difficult for you to eat and drink or play? I would consider it a punishment and seeing how sad and freaked out dogs can get by having muzzle on i think they see it as a punishment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My old staffy used to drive herself nuts wearing a muzzle trying to get it off because she didnt like it, she would get sores under her chin were it rubbed, how is that not a punishment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People are always going to bitch and moan about dogs the fact of the matter is if it wasnt for humans we wouldnt have them, again people are to blame for these things, Not dogs.

We bred them and we continue to breed them. Only thing that can be done to stop it is to eradicate the lot of them which isnt going to happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is no such thing as a dangerous dog just stupid and irresponsible dog owners.

Miss Jay

You're deluded.

Some owners are to blame, absolutely.

Some dogs just attack, even when brought up in a decent loving environment.

Excuse me? There is no need to insult me i am far from deluded, im speaking from my own personal experience and from the majority of what is known about dog attacks, not what is written in a paper."

Not trying to insult you, but using your own personal experience of dogs to sum up ALL dogs is ridiculous. I have never been biten by or attacked by dogs. But am fully aware that occasionally, a dog that you never expected to, can take you by surprise, and completely out of character, do something terrible.

If you can't accept that, then perhaps you are slightly deluded.

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes


"I have a two year old Rottie who is more likely to lick you to death. He is kept on the lead whenever in the park or beach unless it's quiet. He has been attacked several times by Jack Russells. He was on the lead and they weren't. One owner even said her dog was frightened!!! She's lucky I didn't drop my lad's lead.

Would your lad have licked the Jack russell to death ?"

He would want to play and at the first sign of aggression he runs off. He's not a pack leader and will bend to a dominant dog. Dogs on a lead feel vulnerable and will attack. Let go and they run off out of the danger zone. However, I tend to ask the other owners to put their dogs on their leads. Too many dog owners allow their pets to run up to other dogs saying they're ok with other dogs. They forget that the other dogs might not be!

As to dog attacks in the home - no child should be left alone in a room with any dog. Doesn't matter how well trained and gentle they are, they all have the capacity to turn.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not muzzling my dog in public. He stays on his lead at all times, I'm in control of him, and if people get too close they get a warning to not go near him.

Irresponsible owners are the problems here.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm also surprised at how many children are not taught to never approach dogs they don't know. We have been out with our dogs who are always on leads, then random children come running up to speak to the dogs. Our dogs have never been aggressive but the children/parents don't know this.

There is a problem round here of the tracksuit brigade going around streets with dogs not on leads and they never seem to have a lead with them at all.

Asking for problems

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Guess a survey will show the answers as and when they come in. See what comes of it, tabloid surveys won't change much though, generally.

Some dogs are more aggressive and vicious in terms of crimes, but owners should have more responsibility ultimately - my thoughts anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Twenty plus years ago, we had a very large very dopey Rottweiler. My eldest lad was also two. This dog doted on my boy... One Saturday evening we decided to go to the local chippy. A family friend spotted us outside, the chip shop, he was obviously on his way home from a Saturday afternoon in the pub, and a little worse for wear. He was very loud and boisterous, and picked my lad up, and threw him in the air. Needless to say, the dog flew for him and bit him. He was protecting my son. I often wonder if I did the right thing. I'd never seen a dog so angry and full of rage! And it was frightening! I had him put down! Yes I know... I know.. It broke my heart. The sad thing is who was to blame??? its often the human that's to blame. At the end of the day he was protecting those he loved. The two dogs I have now spend their time down the river... I have taught all my children never! To approach any dog.... Must admit though, there's an awful lot of kids around that come charging up to my dogs.... Full pelt! I think I'd bite if some stranger came running full pelt at me!!! And threw themselves on me...Perhaps in some instances, it should be the child, or nonchalant uneducated parent that's put on a lead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...

Too many dog owners allow their pets to run up to other dogs saying they're ok with other dogs. They forget that the other dogs might not be!

As to dog attacks in the home - no child should be left alone in a room with any dog. Doesn't matter how well trained and gentle they are, they all have the capacity to turn."

To both statements.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Busybodies should leave Bulldogs alone.

I have a pet Tiger.

He's great round kids and hasnt eaten anyone yet, so I dont bother with a lead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Muzzle dogs when outside - and the problem goes away. Simples."

Train humans to look after dogs properly and the problem goes away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Muzzle dogs when outside - and the problem goes away. Simples.

Train humans to look after dogs properly and the problem goes away.

"

Which one is cheaper and more manageable ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Truly sick of reading about "dangerous dogs"

The most common dog attacks are made by Jack Russels yet they are not classified as dangerous dogs. I dont think ALL dogs should be muzzled, dogs that bite should be muzzled, they should be kept on a lead when out on a walk, I had a staffordshire bull terrier and she was the sweetest dog didnt attack, loved people and children, she was a "dangerous dog" my arse the label is used too freely. My mum has an akita also a "dangerous dog" softest dog you would ever meet and totally stupid.

There is no such thing as a dangerous dog just stupid and irresponsible dog owners.

Rant over.

Miss Jay

But how do you determine which dogs bite ?

You can,t just like you can,t determine which human will kill or rob you. But we don,t punish everyone because one person kills so why punish all dogs because of a few bad owners

But is muzzling a punishment , dogs don't suffer by being muzzled.

would you like having a mask over your mouth making it difficult for you to eat and drink or play? I would consider it a punishment and seeing how sad and freaked out dogs can get by having muzzle on i think they see it as a punishment."

It's only for outside while the dog is having its exercise , I didn't know they brought a packed lunch with them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe we should ban everything that has the potential to be dangerous knives, cars and various other things.

Then we can all live in a 100% risk free environment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe we should ban everything that has the potential to be dangerous knives, cars and various other things.

Then we can all live in a 100% risk free environment."

Or just minimise the risks, like having speed limits and no drink driving. Not selling knives to under sixteens putting muzzles on dogs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe we should ban everything that has the potential to be dangerous knives, cars and various other things.

Then we can all live in a 100% risk free environment.

Or just minimise the risks, like having speed limits and no drink driving. Not selling knives to under sixteens putting muzzles on dogs. "

In an ideal world yes but has speed limits stopped people speeding? Has drink driving legislation stopped people being killed by drink drivers? Has restricting knife sales stopped knife crime?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe we should ban everything that has the potential to be dangerous knives, cars and various other things.

Then we can all live in a 100% risk free environment.

Or just minimise the risks, like having speed limits and no drink driving. Not selling knives to under sixteens putting muzzles on dogs.

In an ideal world yes but has speed limits stopped people speeding? Has drink driving legislation stopped people being killed by drink drivers? Has restricting knife sales stopped knife crime?

"

No , but muzzling a dog will stop it biting people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe we should ban everything that has the potential to be dangerous knives, cars and various other things.

Then we can all live in a 100% risk free environment.

Or just minimise the risks, like having speed limits and no drink driving. Not selling knives to under sixteens putting muzzles on dogs.

In an ideal world yes but has speed limits stopped people speeding? Has drink driving legislation stopped people being killed by drink drivers? Has restricting knife sales stopped knife crime?

No , but muzzling a dog will stop it biting people. "

So you think people will abide by that law on muzzling when they clearly flaunt others? It would be good to live in a perfect world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe we should ban everything that has the potential to be dangerous knives, cars and various other things.

Then we can all live in a 100% risk free environment.

Or just minimise the risks, like having speed limits and no drink driving. Not selling knives to under sixteens putting muzzles on dogs.

In an ideal world yes but has speed limits stopped people speeding? Has drink driving legislation stopped people being killed by drink drivers? Has restricting knife sales stopped knife crime?

No , but muzzling a dog will stop it biting people.

So you think people will abide by that law on muzzling when they clearly flaunt others? It would be good to live in a perfect world. "
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No I don't think everyone will abide by that law. But drink driving deaths have decreased since the law was brought in so maybe less people would get bitten if a muzzling law was brought in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well since the DDA banning the most aggressive/dangerous dogs, dog attacks have steadily increased so is it a breed issue?

which was the original topic on should certain breeds be banned?

It's not a breed issue in my opinion.

I think the people who would abide by a muzzle type law would be the responsible law abiding owners and others wouldn't bother.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well since the DDA banning the most aggressive/dangerous dogs, dog attacks have steadily increased so is it a breed issue?

which was the original topic on should certain breeds be banned?

It's not a breed issue in my opinion.

I think the people who would abide by a muzzle type law would be the responsible law abiding owners and others wouldn't bother.

"

I agree. I have a Wolf-dog hybrid and a Yorkshire terrier. Clearly the Yorkie is more of a danger, so I muzzle her...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well since the DDA banning the most aggressive/dangerous dogs, dog attacks have steadily increased so is it a breed issue?

which was the original topic on should certain breeds be banned?

It's not a breed issue in my opinion.

I think the people who would abide by a muzzle type law would be the responsible law abiding owners and others wouldn't bother.

"

I personally don't think it's a breed issue. All dogs have the potential to bite.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well since the DDA banning the most aggressive/dangerous dogs, dog attacks have steadily increased so is it a breed issue?

which was the original topic on should certain breeds be banned?

It's not a breed issue in my opinion.

I think the people who would abide by a muzzle type law would be the responsible law abiding owners and others wouldn't bother.

I personally don't think it's a breed issue. All dogs have the potential to bite. "

Totally agree, if that happens then appropriate action should be taken.

But we don't punish every person that drinks and is a driver because they have the potential to be a drink driver.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dogs should be muzzled, and wear sports socks to prevent scratching.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any dog has the potential to turn it is the same with any animal they are animals they will act on instinct or just because they want to it is as simple as that.

I had dogs when growing up small dogs and big dogs if I am honest it was the jack russells that were the problem with ours but any animal has the potential to turn.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well since the DDA banning the most aggressive/dangerous dogs, dog attacks have steadily increased so is it a breed issue?

which was the original topic on should certain breeds be banned?

It's not a breed issue in my opinion.

I think the people who would abide by a muzzle type law would be the responsible law abiding owners and others wouldn't bother.

I personally don't think it's a breed issue. All dogs have the potential to bite.

Totally agree, if that happens then appropriate action should be taken.

But we don't punish every person that drinks and is a driver because they have the potential to be a drink driver.

"

But I don't see how muzzling a dog is a punishment. Our old dogs just got on with it. They didn't like it at first but as with anything dogs will learn and adapt.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

But as stated the majority of dog attacks happen in the home or off lead when the owner is not in control of the dog, when we have to cross the border to south ireland my dogs need muzzled but then again a halti counts down there so it's not a big metal or leather thing over their face. Considering 5 of mine would need muzzled specially made to their size its not worth spending the money on the horrid things. I k.ow dogs cause I've worked and trained dogs for 10 years now. Dogs never bite without cause, either fear,defense, underlying illness or natural aggression. Mine are all rescues who at one time where deemed a possible danger and I have a 3 year old that can.control them better than the owner of the yorkies down the road controls her dogs.

People also fail to read dogs body language

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well since the DDA banning the most aggressive/dangerous dogs, dog attacks have steadily increased so is it a breed issue?

which was the original topic on should certain breeds be banned?

It's not a breed issue in my opinion.

I think the people who would abide by a muzzle type law would be the responsible law abiding owners and others wouldn't bother.

I personally don't think it's a breed issue. All dogs have the potential to bite.

Totally agree, if that happens then appropriate action should be taken.

But we don't punish every person that drinks and is a driver because they have the potential to be a drink driver.

But I don't see how muzzling a dog is a punishment. Our old dogs just got on with it. They didn't like it at first but as with anything dogs will learn and adapt. "

No that's also true, dogs would adapt and get use to wearing a muzzle.

But a hypothetical example what would happen to your muzzled old dog when it's approached or attacked by a dog where the owners doesn't respect the rule of wearing a muzzle.

Think this suggestion of having to wear a muzzle only works if everyone followed it.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

It's hard to believe some folk are more concerned with the right of Fido to run about in the park than about the right of a child not to be ripped apart.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well since the DDA banning the most aggressive/dangerous dogs, dog attacks have steadily increased so is it a breed issue?

which was the original topic on should certain breeds be banned?

It's not a breed issue in my opinion.

I think the people who would abide by a muzzle type law would be the responsible law abiding owners and others wouldn't bother.

I personally don't think it's a breed issue. All dogs have the potential to bite.

Totally agree, if that happens then appropriate action should be taken.

But we don't punish every person that drinks and is a driver because they have the potential to be a drink driver.

But I don't see how muzzling a dog is a punishment. Our old dogs just got on with it. They didn't like it at first but as with anything dogs will learn and adapt.

No that's also true, dogs would adapt and get use to wearing a muzzle.

But a hypothetical example what would happen to your muzzled old dog when it's approached or attacked by a dog where the owners doesn't respect the rule of wearing a muzzle.

Think this suggestion of having to wear a muzzle only works if everyone followed it."

That would certainly be an unfortunate incident. But also highlights why I think all dogs should be muzzled. I know a few idiots would ignore it but that isn't enough reason for it not to be considered.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

If a dog is on its lead and under control it seriously decreases the possibility of an attack, my big akita mix was bitten by a sausage dog yet it was my fault because of his breed.

I will not muzzle my dogs because of the reason outlined above, if n law comes in where they have to be it will not be adhered to by the irresponsible owners who's dogs are not trained and more likely to bite leaving mine defenseless but they will always be on leads no longer than 50cms

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Well since the DDA banning the most aggressive/dangerous dogs, dog attacks have steadily increased so is it a breed issue?

which was the original topic on should certain breeds be banned?

It's not a breed issue in my opinion.

I think the people who would abide by a muzzle type law would be the responsible law abiding owners and others wouldn't bother.

I personally don't think it's a breed issue. All dogs have the potential to bite.

Totally agree, if that happens then appropriate action should be taken.

But we don't punish every person that drinks and is a driver because they have the potential to be a drink driver.

But I don't see how muzzling a dog is a punishment. Our old dogs just got on with it. They didn't like it at first but as with anything dogs will learn and adapt.

No that's also true, dogs would adapt and get use to wearing a muzzle.

But a hypothetical example what would happen to your muzzled old dog when it's approached or attacked by a dog where the owners doesn't respect the rule of wearing a muzzle.

Think this suggestion of having to wear a muzzle only works if everyone followed it.

That would certainly be an unfortunate incident. But also highlights why I think all dogs should be muzzled. I know a few idiots would ignore it but that isn't enough reason for it not to be considered. "

If muzzling were made law, it would have to apply to ALL dogs so there could be no arguments re breed etc and dogs not muzzled should be liable to immediate confiscation and destruction.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

A lady friend of mine was walking her dog in the local park when two young men threatened her. She called her dog in and they ran off don,t think they would have if her dog had been muzzled.

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over a year ago


"A lady friend of mine was walking her dog in the local park when two young men threatened her. She called her dog in and they ran off don,t think they would have if her dog had been muzzled.

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Well if we're using dogs as weapons now, might as well buy some mace.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

A lady was murdered in the east end of Glasgow in Dec 2013.

Her German Shepherd watched it happen.

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over a year ago


"A lady was murdered in the east end of Glasgow in Dec 2013.

Her German Shepherd watched it happen.

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That's gonna be one interesting cross-examination.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"A lady was murdered in the east end of Glasgow in Dec 2013.

Her German Shepherd watched it happen.

That's gonna be one interesting cross-examination. "

There'll be a translator.

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By *ampWithABrainWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

No such thing as a bad dog/bad breed it's all in the training. Several friends of mine got so called dangerous breeds n they're soft as butter!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just out of interest, how many children per year are mauled by cats?

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over a year ago


"A lady friend of mine was walking her dog in the local park when two young men threatened her. She called her dog in and they ran off don,t think they would have if her dog had been muzzled.

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A lady friend of mine was jogging in the park when she was attacked and bitten by a dig. I'm certain this wouldn't have happened if the dog had been muzzled.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"A lady friend of mine was walking her dog in the local park when two young men threatened her. She called her dog in and they ran off don,t think they would have if her dog had been muzzled.

Well if we're using dogs as weapons now, might as well buy some mace. "

No the dog was not a weapon but it did make the guys run, would it have been better for her to be mugged or raped i don,t think so. Her dog saved her from that without biting anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No such thing as a bad dog/bad breed it's all in the training. Several friends of mine got so called dangerous breeds n they're soft as butter! "

The problem is neglectful owners. On evil, rough estates, such as mine, dangerous dogs tend to be owned by people who want them to intimidate people or druggies/alkies who use them for protection, and very often they have no intention of being a good owner. They couldn't give a shit. However, on the same estate you get good owners, such as me

My wolf dog loves children, just couldn't eat a whole one. My Yorkie on the other hand is of Satan...

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"A lady friend of mine was walking her dog in the local park when two young men threatened her. She called her dog in and they ran off don,t think they would have if her dog had been muzzled.

A lady friend of mine was jogging in the park when she was attacked and bitten by a dig. I'm certain this wouldn't have happened if the dog had been muzzled. "

How many dogs did she see that did,nt bite her not all dogs are bad just bad owners, did she report the owner?

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"No such thing as a bad dog/bad breed it's all in the training. Several friends of mine got so called dangerous breeds n they're soft as butter! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A lady friend of mine was walking her dog in the local park when two young men threatened her. She called her dog in and they ran off don,t think they would have if her dog had been muzzled.

A lady friend of mine was jogging in the park when she was attacked and bitten by a dig. I'm certain this wouldn't have happened if the dog had been muzzled.

How many dogs did she see that did,nt bite her not all dogs are bad just bad owners, did she report the owner?"

The owner was reported and the dog destroyed. The owner said the dog had never behaved in such a way before but it was spooked. If it had been muzzled that man would still have his pet and my friend wouldn't have a scar on her thigh.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"A lady friend of mine was walking her dog in the local park when two young men threatened her. She called her dog in and they ran off don,t think they would have if her dog had been muzzled.

A lady friend of mine was jogging in the park when she was attacked and bitten by a dig. I'm certain this wouldn't have happened if the dog had been muzzled.

How many dogs did she see that did,nt bite her not all dogs are bad just bad owners, did she report the owner?

The owner was reported and the dog destroyed. The owner said the dog had never behaved in such a way before but it was spooked. If it had been muzzled that man would still have his pet and my friend wouldn't have a scar on her thigh. "

So every dog is the same they are all to blame is thats what your saying?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was punched in the face on a night out, which left me with a broken nose. Does that mean every person in a pub is likely to do the same?

Can't protect every person from every bit of potential danger that may occur or not occur.

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over a year ago


"A lady friend of mine was walking her dog in the local park when two young men threatened her. She called her dog in and they ran off don,t think they would have if her dog had been muzzled.

A lady friend of mine was jogging in the park when she was attacked and bitten by a dig. I'm certain this wouldn't have happened if the dog had been muzzled.

How many dogs did she see that did,nt bite her not all dogs are bad just bad owners, did she report the owner?

The owner was reported and the dog destroyed. The owner said the dog had never behaved in such a way before but it was spooked. If it had been muzzled that man would still have his pet and my friend wouldn't have a scar on her thigh.

So every dog is the same they are all to blame is thats what your saying?"

No not at all , but every dog has the potential to bite. As a few posts have illustrated dogs can't differentiate between someone mucking about and someone behaving badly. A dog can't tell the difference between an excited child waving their arms or someone throwing punches. Even good dogs bite. Muzzle them all and this takes away any chance of a dog being spooked or behaving out of character and biting someone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was punched in the face on a night out, which left me with a broken nose. Does that mean every person in a pub is likely to do the same?

Can't protect every person from every bit of potential danger that may occur or not occur. "

I fail to see the connection. Dogs bite, It's what they do. It would be a simple form of legislation to make sure every dog while out in public should be muzzled. Or as Onny said is fido's right to carry a ball more important than having a safe environment for people to enjoy the park ?

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over a year ago


"I was punched in the face on a night out, which left me with a broken nose. Does that mean every person in a pub is likely to do the same?

Can't protect every person from every bit of potential danger that may occur or not occur.

I fail to see the connection. Dogs bite, It's what they do. It would be a simple form of legislation to make sure every dog while out in public should be muzzled. Or as Onny said is fido's right to carry a ball more important than having a safe environment for people to enjoy the park ? "

Connection is some people are aggressive and violent some people are not, some dogs are aggressive some...........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was punched in the face on a night out, which left me with a broken nose. Does that mean every person in a pub is likely to do the same?

Can't protect every person from every bit of potential danger that may occur or not occur.

I fail to see the connection. Dogs bite, It's what they do. It would be a simple form of legislation to make sure every dog while out in public should be muzzled. Or as Onny said is fido's right to carry a ball more important than having a safe environment for people to enjoy the park ?

Connection is some people are aggressive and violent some people are not, some dogs are aggressive some..........."

But all dogs have the potential to bite. All.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"A lady friend of mine was walking her dog in the local park when two young men threatened her. She called her dog in and they ran off don,t think they would have if her dog had been muzzled.

A lady friend of mine was jogging in the park when she was attacked and bitten by a dig. I'm certain this wouldn't have happened if the dog had been muzzled.

How many dogs did she see that did,nt bite her not all dogs are bad just bad owners, did she report the owner?

The owner was reported and the dog destroyed. The owner said the dog had never behaved in such a way before but it was spooked. If it had been muzzled that man would still have his pet and my friend wouldn't have a scar on her thigh.

So every dog is the same they are all to blame is thats what your saying?

No not at all , but every dog has the potential to bite. As a few posts have illustrated dogs can't differentiate between someone mucking about and someone behaving badly. A dog can't tell the difference between an excited child waving their arms or someone throwing punches. Even good dogs bite. Muzzle them all and this takes away any chance of a dog being spooked or behaving out of character and biting someone. "

I don,t think that will every happen but if it does i,ll break the law no way will muzzle my dogs, and i,ll not be the only one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes and all people have the potential to be violent, doesn't mean they will. Individual characters

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over a year ago


"A lady friend of mine was walking her dog in the local park when two young men threatened her. She called her dog in and they ran off don,t think they would have if her dog had been muzzled.

A lady friend of mine was jogging in the park when she was attacked and bitten by a dig. I'm certain this wouldn't have happened if the dog had been muzzled.

How many dogs did she see that did,nt bite her not all dogs are bad just bad owners, did she report the owner?

The owner was reported and the dog destroyed. The owner said the dog had never behaved in such a way before but it was spooked. If it had been muzzled that man would still have his pet and my friend wouldn't have a scar on her thigh.

So every dog is the same they are all to blame is thats what your saying?

No not at all , but every dog has the potential to bite. As a few posts have illustrated dogs can't differentiate between someone mucking about and someone behaving badly. A dog can't tell the difference between an excited child waving their arms or someone throwing punches. Even good dogs bite. Muzzle them all and this takes away any chance of a dog being spooked or behaving out of character and biting someone.

I don,t think that will every happen but if it does i,ll break the law no way will muzzle my dogs, and i,ll not be the only one. "

I also don't think it will happen.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"I was punched in the face on a night out, which left me with a broken nose. Does that mean every person in a pub is likely to do the same?

Can't protect every person from every bit of potential danger that may occur or not occur.

I fail to see the connection. Dogs bite, It's what they do. It would be a simple form of legislation to make sure every dog while out in public should be muzzled. Or as Onny said is fido's right to carry a ball more important than having a safe environment for people to enjoy the park ?

Connection is some people are aggressive and violent some people are not, some dogs are aggressive some...........

But all dogs have the potential to bite. All. "

All people have the potential to mug you but they don,t get a life and let good dogs have one too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes and all people have the potential to be violent, doesn't mean they will. Individual characters "

But it's easy to muzzle a dog and it does the animal no harm.

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over a year ago


"But as stated the majority of dog attacks happen in the home or off lead when the owner is not in control of the dog, when we have to cross the border to south ireland my dogs need muzzled but then again a halti counts down there so it's not a big metal or leather thing over their face. Considering 5 of mine would need muzzled specially made to their size its not worth spending the money on the horrid things. I k.ow dogs cause I've worked and trained dogs for 10 years now. Dogs never bite without cause, either fear,defense, underlying illness or natural aggression. Mine are all rescues who at one time where deemed a possible danger and I have a 3 year old that can.control them better than the owner of the yorkies down the road controls her dogs.

People also fail to read dogs body language "

Have to disagree with the bit about dogs biting because they have cause to. I have experienced a vicious dog five times now. Only one had cause to, and that was when I posting a letter and it not me through the letterbox. All the others were unprovoked. All out in the street. Now I am scared of dogs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There have been several instances recently of American pit bulls causing serious harm/death.

These are a banned breed yet there are still many of them at large....authorities not doing their job!

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over a year ago


"I was punched in the face on a night out, which left me with a broken nose. Does that mean every person in a pub is likely to do the same?

Can't protect every person from every bit of potential danger that may occur or not occur.

I fail to see the connection. Dogs bite, It's what they do. It would be a simple form of legislation to make sure every dog while out in public should be muzzled. Or as Onny said is fido's right to carry a ball more important than having a safe environment for people to enjoy the park ?

Connection is some people are aggressive and violent some people are not, some dogs are aggressive some...........

But all dogs have the potential to bite. All.

All people have the potential to mug you but they don,t get a life and let good dogs have one too

Why have we resorted to this ? Just because I have s difference of opinion doesn't mean I don't have a life. Aren't forums here for discussion ? "

No idea where the halo came from. Wasn't meant to be there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No such thing as a bad dog/bad breed it's all in the training. Several friends of mine got so called dangerous breeds n they're soft as butter!

The problem is neglectful owners. On evil, rough estates, such as mine, dangerous dogs tend to be owned by people who want them to intimidate people or druggies/alkies who use them for protection, and very often they have no intention of being a good owner. They couldn't give a shit. However, on the same estate you get good owners, such as me

My wolf dog loves children, just couldn't eat a whole one. My Yorkie on the other hand is of Satan..."

My staffie is an angel and my Patterdale is the Devil reincarnate.Grown men run away (seriously) when she starts!

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over a year ago


"There have been several instances recently of American pit bulls causing serious harm/death.

These are a banned breed yet there are still many of them at large....authorities not doing their job!"

In certain circumstances they can be kept as pets.They have to be registered with the Police,neutered and tattoed and muzzled in public.I stayed with a family in San Fransisco a few years ago and they had one as a pet.Needless to say he was a lovely natured dog and the house was full of children.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"There have been several instances recently of American pit bulls causing serious harm/death.

These are a banned breed yet there are still many of them at large....authorities not doing their job!

In certain circumstances they can be kept as pets.They have to be registered with the Police,neutered and tattoed and muzzled in public.I stayed with a family in San Fransisco a few years ago and they had one as a pet.Needless to say he was a lovely natured dog and the house was full of children."

Their owners should be neutered and tattooed too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"an ownrship permit is a great idea in theory but with back yard breeders and gumtree it would be impossible to enforce, over here we have dog licences and half the people that have a dog dont have one.

i hate having to muzzle my dogs but by that logic can we muzzle all children and keep them on short leads too?"

Agreed.Especially when they are running riot in supermarkets!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

American pits don't have to be tattooed any more.I have a registerd exempt one. She is registered, neutered, passed all behaviour tests and insured. As she is in the final steps of being a PAT dog she is exempt from the muzzle law.

The person that said out of 5 dog attacks one was with reason, did u have the dogs medically tested do u no how to read each breeds body language as there are subtle differences between them all. All too often people say no cause without examining the situation and dog and that individual case

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over a year ago


"American pits don't have to be tattooed any more.I have a registerd exempt one. She is registered, neutered, passed all behaviour tests and insured. As she is in the final steps of being a PAT dog she is exempt from the muzzle law.

The person that said out of 5 dog attacks one was with reason, did u have the dogs medically tested do u no how to read each breeds body language as there are subtle differences between them all. All too often people say no cause without examining the situation and dog and that individual case"

They weren't my dogs and in each case it was a sudden unprovoked attack. Each time I had been outside apart from the one that bit me through the letterbox, and the attacking dog just seemed to flip. An alsation bit me, a rottwieler bit my dog, a Rottweiler bit my friend and a pit bull almost killed my dog.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

so there could have been underlying illnesses, or it could have been a fear bite. without knowing each circumstance i cant jump to conclusions but that would be my guess.

rotts have a diff body language they stare which would warn most dogs but people dont pick up on it. too many variables to really say otherwise

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A lady friend of mine was walking her dog in the local park when two young men threatened her. She called her dog in and they ran off don,t think they would have if her dog had been muzzled.

A lady friend of mine was jogging in the park when she was attacked and bitten by a dig. I'm certain this wouldn't have happened if the dog had been muzzled.

How many dogs did she see that did,nt bite her not all dogs are bad just bad owners, did she report the owner?"

and was the dog on a lead? Probably not. Why the need for a muzzle, if a dog is on a lead it isnt going anywhere provided you have control over it and if you dont then you shouldnt have the dog.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"so there could have been underlying illnesses, or it could have been a fear bite. without knowing each circumstance i cant jump to conclusions but that would be my guess.

rotts have a diff body language they stare which would warn most dogs but people dont pick up on it. too many variables to really say otherwise "
if you dont know dogs dont get one or approach one. Its very rare that a dog attacks for no reason, because its an animal alot of people disregard that because we are human we are superior species lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A lady friend of mine was walking her dog in the local park when two young men threatened her. She called her dog in and they ran off don,t think they would have if her dog had been muzzled.

A lady friend of mine was jogging in the park when she was attacked and bitten by a dig. I'm certain this wouldn't have happened if the dog had been muzzled.

How many dogs did she see that did,nt bite her not all dogs are bad just bad owners, did she report the owner?

and was the dog on a lead? Probably not. Why the need for a muzzle, if a dog is on a lead it isnt going anywhere provided you have control over it and if you dont then you shouldnt have the dog. "

I'm prepared to accept that a dog that's under control and on a leash may not be required to be muzzled. But how would a dog on a leash get its excersise ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"so there could have been underlying illnesses, or it could have been a fear bite. without knowing each circumstance i cant jump to conclusions but that would be my guess.

rotts have a diff body language they stare which would warn most dogs but people dont pick up on it. too many variables to really say otherwise "

But if each dog was muzzled it wouldn't have mattered what the circumstances were. We can't be expected to read a book in dogs behavioural patterns before we take a walk in the park.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Truly sick of reading about "dangerous dogs"

The most common dog attacks are made by Jack Russels yet they are not classified as dangerous dogs. I dont think ALL dogs should be muzzled, dogs that bite should be muzzled, they should be kept on a lead when out on a walk, I had a staffordshire bull terrier and she was the sweetest dog didnt attack, loved people and children, she was a "dangerous dog" my arse the label is used too freely. My mum has an akita also a "dangerous dog" softest dog you would ever meet and totally stupid.

There is no such thing as a dangerous dog just stupid and irresponsible dog owners.

This

Miss Jay"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why bulldogs ? What have they done except snore, fart and slobber?

Is it American bulldogs maybe ? Cos I have a bitch and she is the most sweetest gentle dog you could meet. Blame the deed not the breed !

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"Bad owners should be banned.

I think perhaps certain breeds should require an ownership permit. Potential owners should be background checked and should need references or an interview to demonstrate they are likely to be responsible owners."

I agree with you on certain points, but won't that put off some new owners of that breed. Imagine a young couple want a bulldog, they can afford the dog but not all the other stuff that goes with it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

yes its american bulldogs the article is aimed at but the headline just says bulldogs.

they get excersize on lead by walking to the fenced in dog off lead areas or by their owner doing something stimulating with them, mine do agility, weight pulling, fly ball and bully athletics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"so there could have been underlying illnesses, or it could have been a fear bite. without knowing each circumstance i cant jump to conclusions but that would be my guess.

rotts have a diff body language they stare which would warn most dogs but people dont pick up on it. too many variables to really say otherwise if you dont know dogs dont get one or approach one. Its very rare that a dog attacks for no reason, because its an animal alot of people disregard that because we are human we are superior species lol"

On each occasion the dogs approached me. My dogs were on a lead in the street and of the attacking dogs. One was not on a lead and one was, but pulled away from its owner. I was just walking up the street when the alsation came out of nowhere and attacked me. My friend that was bitten was walking with me, past a Rottweiler on a lead and it turned and latched onto her hand. This is why I was originally saying that I think they should be muzzled. Because when you say the dog may have been ill, or having a bad day or whatever. How are people supposed to know. It's not our fault.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

oh i no i was never saying it was your fault im saying its the owners fault for not knowing their own dog and letting it get out of control, mine would never dream of lunging for someone. every owner has a responsibility to know and be able to read their dog but unfortunately a lot cant or just cant be botherd which then makes the rest of us look bad

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over a year ago


"oh i no i was never saying it was your fault im saying its the owners fault for not knowing their own dog and letting it get out of control, mine would never dream of lunging for someone. every owner has a responsibility to know and be able to read their dog but unfortunately a lot cant or just cant be botherd which then makes the rest of us look bad "

Id just like to say well done to your dog for becoming a PAT dog.My staffie has been to work with me a few times and the client group love her to bits!

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford


"

I agree. I have a Wolf-dog hybrid and a Yorkshire terrier. Clearly the Yorkie is more of a danger, so I muzzle her..."

If your wolf-dog hybrid is a true hybrid, meaning that one of its parents is a wolf then it is subject to the conditions of the DWAA 1976 which means you need a DWA license to keep it in a secure enclosure that conforms to animal welfare regulations because it will be classed as a wolf.

Many people have had their so-called wolf hybrids taken from them when they couldn't prove it was not a true wolf hybrid... a tad ironic perhaps but that's UK law for you.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"so there could have been underlying illnesses, or it could have been a fear bite. without knowing each circumstance i cant jump to conclusions but that would be my guess.

rotts have a diff body language they stare which would warn most dogs but people dont pick up on it. too many variables to really say otherwise if you dont know dogs dont get one or approach one. Its very rare that a dog attacks for no reason, because its an animal alot of people disregard that because we are human we are superior species lol"

I would go as far as to say that a dog would never attack for no reason at all. Whenever a dog gets into a fight, it is putting itself at risk. No animal with any sort of survival instinct would do that.

The reason for the attack may be that the dog is ill in some way, but there will, IMO, always be a reason for it.

As already pointed out though, dog communication is complex and it's easy for humans to miss or misinterpret signals.

It is up to the owner to know their dog and to ensure it's not a risk to others because strangers can't possibly be expected to know what is going on with an individual dog.

However, I do believe all dogs have the potential to be dangerous, even when raised and trained properly. Sometimes previously good natured dogs turn and attack for no reason discernible to us.

Saying there's no such thing as a dangerous dog, only a dangerous owner, is an over-simplification and is inaccurate.

Personally I'd always be extremely cautious of having any dog around children and I'd never leave the dog and the child(ren) together without supervision.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I agree. I have a Wolf-dog hybrid and a Yorkshire terrier. Clearly the Yorkie is more of a danger, so I muzzle her...

If your wolf-dog hybrid is a true hybrid, meaning that one of its parents is a wolf then it is subject to the conditions of the DWAA 1976 which means you need a DWA license to keep it in a secure enclosure that conforms to animal welfare regulations because it will be classed as a wolf.

Many people have had their so-called wolf hybrids taken from them when they couldn't prove it was not a true wolf hybrid... a tad ironic perhaps but that's UK law for you. "

All dogs are essentially wolf-hybrids...

What about my giraffe? Im careful with her too - I let her put her head out of the sunroof

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

the dwa on wolf hybrids has changed slightly, its dependant on the % of wolf dna present, less than half and i think they let it slide but unless youve gone through a registerd breeder of hybrids. many people mistakenly call a tamaskan a wolf dog and yes while its name may mean wolf its a long way genetically from one.

i considerd getting a wolf, had even started measuring the garden for the pen thats required lol

thanks its great to see how people respond to here then how their perception of a pitbull changes after meeting her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've just read an interesting article about colour coding dog leads.

Green = Friendly with children and adults

Orange = Friendly with people but not other dogs.

Red = This dog needs space , do not approach.

Seems like a simple enough idea.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Funnily enough we met someone last week whos dog has a ribbon on their lead to indiciate their dog is grumpy so stay away

It is a great idea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Funnily enough we met someone last week whos dog has a ribbon on their lead to indiciate their dog is grumpy so stay away

It is a great idea "

And a simple one to teach to kids.

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford


"

I agree. I have a Wolf-dog hybrid and a Yorkshire terrier. Clearly the Yorkie is more of a danger, so I muzzle her...

If your wolf-dog hybrid is a true hybrid, meaning that one of its parents is a wolf then it is subject to the conditions of the DWAA 1976 which means you need a DWA license to keep it in a secure enclosure that conforms to animal welfare regulations because it will be classed as a wolf.

Many people have had their so-called wolf hybrids taken from them when they couldn't prove it was not a true wolf hybrid... a tad ironic perhaps but that's UK law for you.

All dogs are essentially wolf-hybrids...

What about my giraffe? Im careful with her too - I let her put her head out of the sunroof "

There is no such thing as a dog-wolf hybrid as the wolf and domestic dog are of the same species and can interbreed. True hybrids cannot reproduce.

A Wolf is a wild animal that is classed as a DWA. With cross-breeds (or so-called hybrids) it creates a problem in law with respect to the DWAA because it raises the question how much percentage of wolf is required in a dog to qualify it for DWA. Because of the relationship between dog and wolf it is (currently) impossible to test for dog/wolf mix percentage by way of genetics/DNA.

What is accepted in law is registered linage. In other words, if a breeders document states dog-wolf-cross then that animal qualifies in law as a DWA.

The matter becomes further complicated by the fact that it is now considered that there are NO PURE wolves left either in the wild or in captivity because of contamination (cross-breeding with dogs).

This spills over to the DDA, because with the exception to registered linage proving that, for example an American Pittbull is indeed an American Pittbull it is otherwise impossible to prove.

It is therefor in the hands of persons forming an opinion based on the physical appearance of the dog in question.

Therefore if a dog 'looks like' it qualifies or has paperwork to the effect (breeding/linage history), then it qualifies for DDA or DWA which in turn qualifies it in law and therefore subjected to the regulations.

By simply claiming that your dog is a wolf-hybrid or wolf-dog cross, that is enough in UK law to class it as such and subject it to DWA.

As a by-the-way, anyone who has purchased an animal as a wolf-hybrid has been ripped off, because no such animal exists outside of a laboratory at least. What you might have is a Malamute-crossed with who knows what.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've just read an interesting article about colour coding dog leads.

Green = Friendly with children and adults

Orange = Friendly with people but not other dogs.

Red = This dog needs space , do not approach.

Seems like a simple enough idea. "

I like that idea. So easy for children. Except the blind ones. I can imagine women would use a red lead when out walking on their own to avoid potential predators. I would.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've just read an interesting article about colour coding dog leads.

Green = Friendly with children and adults

Orange = Friendly with people but not other dogs.

Red = This dog needs space , do not approach.

Seems like a simple enough idea.

I like that idea. So easy for children. Except the blind ones. I can imagine women would use a red lead when out walking on their own to avoid potential predators. I would. "

Great idea.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

this has been around for ages now but originally came from service dogs, u can get leads and harness in the colours with stay away etc written on them, its a great idea but how would you inform the entire population.

it came from the yellow dog project in Australia i think but because our guide dogs are yellow they had to come up with a different colour scheme

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've just read an interesting article about colour coding dog leads.

Green = Friendly with children and adults

Orange = Friendly with people but not other dogs.

Red = This dog needs space , do not approach.

Seems like a simple enough idea.

I like that idea. So easy for children. Except the blind ones. I can imagine women would use a red lead when out walking on their own to avoid potential predators. I would.

Great idea. "

What colour for "Hello Im a Swinger's Dog?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"an ownrship permit is a great idea in theory but with back yard breeders and gumtree it would be impossible to enforce, over here we have dog licences and half the people that have a dog dont have one.

i hate having to muzzle my dogs but by that logic can we muzzle all children and keep them on short leads too?"

There is no logic in that argument

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By *rtemisiaWoman
over a year ago

Norwich


"daily mirror running a poll to see if bulldogs should be banned!!

yes the circumstance of that particular article are horrible but that is down to the owner yet again not the breed.

i votted no, my bullies are like babies"

We have a huge German Shepherd and he looks like a wolf, but he's a big baby. Other dog owners sometimes panic if he barks at their dogs but the dogs themselves seem to know he's no threat as they usually end up chasing him!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've always said there is no such thing as a bad dog it usually comes down to the owners

having said that some breeds are more prone to snap than others, my dogs are as soft as shit if someone came into my house and robbed me i doubt they would even get out.of their bed and my labrador would probably open the door for them to help them out if their hands were full but neither of my dogs are known aggressive breeds I think some breeds are just more naturally protective

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

terrier breeds have come about by selective breeding methods in order to enhance certain and varying characteristics but all terriers have been bred to maul other living things using their powerful bite .... and that's a fact

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

A wee update

A 90-year-old man who stepped into to save his wife from a dog attack in West Lothian has died five weeks after the incident.

Andrew Russell was bitten by an American bulldog while helping his wife, Dorothy, who had been knocked to the ground by the animal.

The attack happened in West Calder's Main Street on 20 September.

Mr Russell died at St John's Hospital on Friday. Police Scotland will send a report to the procurator fiscal.

A Police Scotland spokesman said: "Police in West Lothian are carrying out inquiries following the death of a 90-year-old man at St John's Hospital on 24 October. A report will be sent to the procurator fiscal."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A wee update

A 90-year-old man who stepped into to save his wife from a dog attack in West Lothian has died five weeks after the incident.

Andrew Russell was bitten by an American bulldog while helping his wife, Dorothy, who had been knocked to the ground by the animal.

The attack happened in West Calder's Main Street on 20 September.

Mr Russell died at St John's Hospital on Friday. Police Scotland will send a report to the procurator fiscal.

A Police Scotland spokesman said: "Police in West Lothian are carrying out inquiries following the death of a 90-year-old man at St John's Hospital on 24 October. A report will be sent to the procurator fiscal.""

Oh, what a shame. Also a six month old girl from Daventry was killed last week by a dog, which was so sad.

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