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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

GPs are to be offered a £55 bonus for each dementia patient they diagnose.....wtf?

Can see this leading to massive abuse of the system. Anyone else concerned about this?

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"GPs are to be offered a £55 bonus for each dementia patient they diagnose.....wtf?

Can see this leading to massive abuse of the system. Anyone else concerned about this?"

Why should they be paid a bonus for diagnosing any medical condition?

It's their job to spot potential symptoms and make referrals to specialist - not diagnose every potential illness. A GP is just that - a 'general practitioner' - not a dementia specialist, a cancer specialist or any other specialist.

It runs the risk of misdiagnosis or at the least an increase in referrals to specialists which will result in longer waiting times for appointments.

Lunacy!

A

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

I have doctors as friends and family and I can honestly say that greed is rife along with a sense of entitlement within what I hope is a minority of their profession.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's absolutely disgusting! At a time when the NHS is on it's knees they introduce this?! They are being paid well to do a freakin job!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's an utter disgrace, especially when you consider the crap nurses are going through at the moment.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Seems like madness to me, but why just dementia though? There's a plethora of conditions that are diagnosed on a daily basis.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

What's the reasoning behind this and the criteria that has to be fulfilled to receive the payment?

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By *eforfuncplCouple
over a year ago

Morecambe


"GPs are to be offered a £55 bonus for each dementia patient they diagnose.....wtf?

Can see this leading to massive abuse of the system. Anyone else concerned about this?"

Wtf next ?????? Bonus for police for every criminal they arrest !!! Lunacy this Govt are not in touch with the normal people of this country fucking idiots!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So £55 for finding something that they should find any way! Will they get fined if they don't fined it? Don't think so. It's a joke!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had to read that a few times as I thought I was seeing things .its wrong doctors train to do a job they should do their job not get bonuses over things like this

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By *nigmatic1Woman
over a year ago

A seaside town near you!

I've heard it all now!!! I've worked closely with people with dementia for a number of years, most don't even get a diagnosis! Considering there are over 100 types of dementia this is going to be on hellova money maker for GP's all over the country. They should be investing the money into preventative measures and training for people to understand just what dementia is, what they can do to help and how to cope with it rather that bloody diagnosing it!! ffs!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't wait for that appointment. Hello Mrs A,have you been finding yourself in the middle of Romford shopping centre and don't know how you got there? It's not funny,but you need to know my doctor to understand

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

i better not go to the docs for a while

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Is it a,personal bonus or funding for the surgery for treating the illness?

I know surgeries get funding for each patient on their books with specific conditions such as diabetes supposedly to help pay for clinics and training for specialist nurses etc

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

*makes note never to mention trying to unlock the house with the car remote fob or putting the television remote in the fridge to my GP*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't agree with using funds this way, however GP's already get incentives for diagnosing all sorts of conditions, such as high cholesterol, raised blood pressure and diabetes.

I just wish the funds would be put into finding a cure for it instead, especially as my Grandmother has early onset dementia, but can't have any medication for it, because of her other health problems.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Look what happened with the Liverpool 'Care' Pathway, financial incentives were put before the well being of patients.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Once all these patients have been diagnosed I'd like to know where the money for care is coming from

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"Once all these patients have been diagnosed I'd like to know where the money for care is coming from "

I've just watched an interview on the BBC with a GP.

As has been said earlier - they receive incentives for targeting specific conditions already - diabetes, high cholesterol etc and the money goes into the practice to fund ongoing patient care which will obviously increase as more patients are diagnosed.

As GP practices generally are small businesses then more diagnoses means increased cost for care. The money goes to the practice rather than in the GPs back pocket.

Having looked closer into it I see less of an issue now.

But no doubt the press/media will put a different spin on it.

A

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Once all these patients have been diagnosed I'd like to know where the money for care is coming from

I've just watched an interview on the BBC with a GP.

As has been said earlier - they receive incentives for targeting specific conditions already - diabetes, high cholesterol etc and the money goes into the practice to fund ongoing patient care which will obviously increase as more patients are diagnosed.

As GP practices generally are small businesses then more diagnoses means increased cost for care. The money goes to the practice rather than in the GPs back pocket.

Having looked closer into it I see less of an issue now.

But no doubt the press/media will put a different spin on it.

A"

Thanks for that. It was what I was getting at in my earlier post.

Things are rarely what they seem especially when presented with no background.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But isn't dementia a generic umbrella term? And doesn't it take a specialist to identify specific dementia's like Vascular or Alzheimers?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"*makes note never to mention trying to unlock the house with the car remote fob or putting the television remote in the fridge to my GP*"
Tried to unlock the house many times with the car fob !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But isn't dementia a generic umbrella term? And doesn't it take a specialist to identify specific dementia's like Vascular or Alzheimers?

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I imagine, that the GP will refer onto a specialist . I'm guessing they are just looking for early signs of it. They are more likely to notice I guess, if they see a patient regularly or the family raises concerns.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if this disgrace of government say money is available use it to employ more dementia trained nurses and specialsts as they are ones eho are better equipped to dwal with it. Gps are not at at fault here its government pure and simple.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Once all these patients have been diagnosed I'd like to know where the money for care is coming from "

Doubt it matters where it comes from, so long as its going into the pockets of someone already wealthy.

I'm very skeptical of anything this 'coalition government' does.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's an utter disgrace, especially when you consider the crap nurses are going through at the moment."

All a GP will do is send the patient for a CT scan,thats the only way to get a proper diagnosis,putting a referal in for that takes seconds thats hardly worth £55 and its definately not the GP using his or her medical training,they won't even have to look at the scan as the radiographer will do that and write a report on the findings

The one good thing that may happen is that with a diagnosis of dementia a patient can be treated effectively,the down side is that its very rare that any person will go to a GP and say they think they have dementia because people generally hide the condition as they're too scared to be told they're losing their mind

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"It's an utter disgrace, especially when you consider the crap nurses are going through at the moment.

All a GP will do is send the patient for a CT scan,thats the only way to get a proper diagnosis,putting a referal in for that takes seconds thats hardly worth £55 and its definately not the GP using his or her medical training,they won't even have to look at the scan as the radiographer will do that and write a report on the findings

The one good thing that may happen is that with a diagnosis of dementia a patient can be treated effectively,the down side is that its very rare that any person will go to a GP and say they think they have dementia because people generally hide the condition as they're too scared to be told they're losing their mind

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Not actually the case.

My dads Alzheimer's was suspected by family early on. We saw his GP who made the required referrals.

He now receives regular assessments via specialists but is also now on the GPs list of patients with the condition as it has knock on effects with other medication for desperate conditions. The GP and nursing staff at the practice undertake routine tests and due to him not being the only patient living with (not suffering from!) the illness, they are both more aware and better able to deal with the condition and it's specific characteristics.

So as far as I'm concerned it's money well spent.

As for Wheels question re dementia? Yes it's an 'umbrella' term for several conditions - Alzheimer's, vascular dementia, CJD, Korsakoff's syndrome etc - but dementia is not a mental illness but caused by diseases of the brain. Better awareness would help as there's a lot of public misconceptions as to what it actually is, how it affects people and the simple fact that many can live relatively normal lives with the condition with the right knowledge and support.

Check the Dementia Friends website if anyone's curious.

A

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"GPs are to be offered a £55 bonus for each dementia patient they diagnose.....wtf?

Can see this leading to massive abuse of the system. Anyone else concerned about this?

Wtf next ?????? Bonus for police for every criminal they arrest !!! Lunacy this Govt are not in touch with the normal people of this country fucking idiots!! "

That's not so daft. Maybe not every arrest but every conviction?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"It's an utter disgrace, especially when you consider the crap nurses are going through at the moment.

All a GP will do is send the patient for a CT scan,thats the only way to get a proper diagnosis,putting a referal in for that takes seconds thats hardly worth £55 and its definately not the GP using his or her medical training,they won't even have to look at the scan as the radiographer will do that and write a report on the findings

The one good thing that may happen is that with a diagnosis of dementia a patient can be treated effectively,the down side is that its very rare that any person will go to a GP and say they think they have dementia because people generally hide the condition as they're too scared to be told they're losing their mind

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I had to change my mother's GP in order to get a referral for a scan and a referral to neurology. This incentive will help with those GPs that think it's a waste of time getting specialists involved.

The payments for specific testing is about the public health good prevention work and often mean that things are diagnosed earlier, can be managed better and don't present at the more expensive A&E end.

My over 40 MOT is through one of these incentives but it picked up things that I could do something about and make changes to address without involving further medical intervention.

With dementia knowing what type early on is helpful for drug treatments.

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