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By *obbytupper OP   Man
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

I think we are all aware that the NHS is pretty much unsustainable and in many ways the victim of its own success i.e. people are living longer and using more resources as they age.

This weekend I was sent an appointment for an abdominal aortic aneurysm screening. Reading the booklet which they sent explaining what it was made me think.

It's something with no symptoms and if it ruptured the end would be sudden and relatively painless. So are they saving me to suffer something far worse later?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably just giving you the opportunity to have a slight hand in your own destiny.

If you dont want to know, cancel the appointment, thereby donating the doctors time to somebody who does want to know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Probably just giving you the opportunity to have a slight hand in your own destiny.

If you dont want to know, cancel the appointment, thereby donating the doctors time to somebody who does want to know. "

Seconding this, cancel if you don't care. AAA ruptures are lethal, although easily treated when identified with an ultrasound.

If you're at risk, I don't know why you're not welcoming the chance to maintain your quality of life, let alone potentially save your life.

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By *obbytupper OP   Man
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley


"Probably just giving you the opportunity to have a slight hand in your own destiny.

If you dont want to know, cancel the appointment, thereby donating the doctors time to somebody who does want to know. "

Exactly what I was thinking, I feel that we ought to accept our fate as interfering with it has it's own consequences. I'd far rather a quick end than a long debilitating, painful illness.

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By *obbytupper OP   Man
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

I'm not at risk as far as I know, it's a screening given to males as they approach 65yo.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I think we are all aware that the NHS is pretty much unsustainable and in many ways the victim of its own success i.e. people are living longer and using more resources as they age.

This weekend I was sent an appointment for an abdominal aortic aneurysm screening. Reading the booklet which they sent explaining what it was made me think.

It's something with no symptoms and if it ruptured the end would be sudden and relatively painless. So are they saving me to suffer something far worse later?"

I understand what you mean. I think that it is possible that they are saving you for something worse BUT equally as likely that they are saving you for a long relatively health life (I hope and trust that is the case).

This is a good illustration of your.point though, if you were to drop down in the street next Thursday the NHS would be spared having to treat all your future health problems. On balance although I don't know you I'd rather deal with funding the health care of the nation than have that happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm not at risk as far as I know, it's a screening given to males as they approach 65yo."

Being an older male makes you at risk. You're being offered a 10 minute scan to potentially save your life. I'd take it if I were you. If it weren't cost effective, they wouldn't offer it.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Probably just giving you the opportunity to have a slight hand in your own destiny.

If you dont want to know, cancel the appointment, thereby donating the doctors time to somebody who does want to know.

Exactly what I was thinking, I feel that we ought to accept our fate as interfering with it has it's own consequences. I'd far rather a quick end than a long debilitating, painful illness. "

Really! You would rather risk a sudden end than the possibility....not probability

of a debilitating illness?

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

My Gran died of AAA, and so my mother made sure she was included in the screening, even though its not 100% conclusive. Its supposed to be a very painful way to die, so I'd go for prevention myself.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The NHS is sustainable in the right political hands and with appropriate tax payers money, including corporations.

We've already most of us surpassed many opportunities to die that didn't exist a few years ago. Now it's about overcoming a few moeat the end, if we chose to.

I'd happily pay a bit more tax to fund it too, but if tax avoidance is stopped then we wouldn't need to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The NHS is sustainable in the right political hands and with appropriate tax payers money, including corporations.

We've already most of us surpassed many opportunities to die that didn't exist a few years ago. Now it's about overcoming a few moeat the end, if we chose to.

I'd happily pay a bit more tax to fund it too, but if tax avoidance is stopped then we wouldn't need to."

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"The NHS is sustainable in the right political hands and with appropriate tax payers money, including corporations.

We've already most of us surpassed many opportunities to die that didn't exist a few years ago. Now it's about overcoming a few moeat the end, if we chose to.

I'd happily pay a bit more tax to fund it too, but if tax avoidance is stopped then we wouldn't need to."

Recent polling has shown that a majority people are willing to pay higher taxes if the money is put into improving NHS services.

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By *hortieWoman
over a year ago

Northampton

A bit of grease on a cog that keeps it running efficiently, can offset the cost of losing that cog and having to replace it

(thats just one way of looking at it, anyway)

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"The NHS is sustainable in the right political hands and with appropriate tax payers money, including corporations.

We've already most of us surpassed many opportunities to die that didn't exist a few years ago. Now it's about overcoming a few moeat the end, if we chose to.

I'd happily pay a bit more tax to fund it too, but if tax avoidance is stopped then we wouldn't need to."

The NHS has a funding gap of £30 billion and a further deficit of £2 billion is expected next year.

The NHS is unsustainable and well past it's sell by date. Private health insurance should be offered as a tax deductible expense by employers and this or the next government needs to get on board with accepting that an ever dwindling percentage of the working population cannot support an ever increasing percentage of ageing and infirm people.

This is not about romance and retaining a great British institution it is a simple mathematical fact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's all about choice though isn't it - screening is done to help prevent suffering. If you're offered it - why not have it.

Women have smear tests & mammograms - all for prevention.

I'd much sooner pay more taxes than lose the NHS. I'd be concerned if it all went private about what would happen to those that could not afford private medical insurance.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"I'd be concerned if it all went private about what would happen to those that could not afford private medical insurance. "


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I'd much sooner pay more taxes than lose the NHS. I'd be concerned if it all went private about what would happen to those that could not afford private medical insurance. "

It would depend on how the NHS changed. But the government would still fund care for the less well off and pensioners, I don't know of a government in a 'western' country that doesn't.

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By *andcCouple
over a year ago

London and Cheshire


"The NHS has a funding gap of £30 billion and a further deficit of £2 billion is expected next year.

The NHS is unsustainable and well past it's sell by date. Private health insurance should be offered as a tax deductible expense by employers and this or the next government needs to get on board with accepting that an ever dwindling percentage of the working population cannot support an ever increasing percentage of ageing and infirm people.

This is not about romance and retaining a great British institution it is a simple mathematical fact."

Problem is politicians dare not talk about private health care, people are scared of privatisation of the NHS, why?

When the UK NHS is compared with other countries health systems we don't get such a glowing report, some list us as 18th, and we have the highest death rates for various illness in Europe!

While I don't think anyone would want a completely private system like the USA but a French system (rated no1) consisting of private and public hospitals, funded by taxes and private health insurance, seems a good compromise.

I want the best health service, I'm not bothered if it's private or public!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd be concerned if it all went private about what would happen to those that could not afford private medical insurance.

I'd much sooner pay more taxes than lose the NHS. I'd be concerned if it all went private about what would happen to those that could not afford private medical insurance.

It would depend on how the NHS changed. But the government would still fund care for the less well off and pensioners, I don't know of a government in a 'western' country that doesn't. "

I would just be suspicious of it turning into a two tier health service! At least now, it is more equal to the whole population .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Know of 2 people who died when their aorta burst, think you get 3 minutes or so, but on the flip side, know of 3 who have had theirs fixed, one of whom was very close to me and, although he's now dead, he got a lot more years and died of cancer in the end. Get it done, silly not too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think we are all aware that the NHS is pretty much unsustainable and in many ways the victim of its own success i.e. people are living longer and using more resources as they age.

This weekend I was sent an appointment for an abdominal aortic aneurysm screening. Reading the booklet which they sent explaining what it was made me think.

It's something with no symptoms and if it ruptured the end would be sudden and relatively painless. So are they saving me to suffer something far worse later?"

Probably Bobby they may end up dooming you to a decade of dribbling through your false teeth.

Nice to see you back in here though so don't collapse yet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Probably just giving you the opportunity to have a slight hand in your own destiny.

If you dont want to know, cancel the appointment, thereby donating the doctors time to somebody who does want to know.

Seconding this, cancel if you don't care. AAA ruptures are lethal, although easily treated when identified with an ultrasound.

If you're at risk, I don't know why you're not welcoming the chance to maintain your quality of life, let alone potentially save your life. "

this!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The life expectancy in the US is below ours, in part due to having an expensive for profit healthcare system. Ours is affordable and more than 30 billion is lost in unpaid tax.

Having us think that the dilemma is whether the nhs continues is a smokescreen.

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By *andcCouple
over a year ago

London and Cheshire


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I would just be suspicious of it turning into a two tier health service! At least now, it is more equal to the whole population . "

There is already a two tier health system in the UK, private health insurance and private hospitals!

I am lucky in that I have private health insurance, which is given to me by my employer as part of my pay package, I pay tax on this as if it was a cash amount!.

Last year I became quite ill with a bowel problem and lost 2 stone in a month. My GP did loads of tests, but couldn't find what was up with me, so said I needed to see a gastroenterologist at the local hospital, she looked on the choose and book system to find that the quickest time for an urgent appointment was 3 months (and6 months at one hospital). So I said I would go private, she told me to book it and she would write an introduction letter to the consultant for me. I rang the local Nuffield hospital to arrange an appointment, to my astonishment they said I could see the consultant the day after (which was a Saturday).

I went to see the consultant and within 5 minutes he knew what was up, some tablets I take for back pain was destroying my inner bowel wall, he gave me some steroids and said he needed to use a camera to check what damage had been caused.

The Steroids helped, within a couple of days I was much better, but the most telling part was what he said when I returned for the results of the camera procedure. He said that luckily he had caught it in time and no long term damage was caused, but if I had waited to see someone on the NHS, the damage would have been irreversible and that I would have had these problems on and off for the rest of my life.

I would call tier a two tier system in anybody language!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm not at risk as far as I know, it's a screening given to males as they approach 65yo."

People don't know they have cancer till the hey get checked out, for me I would have the appointment and have the option of doing or not doing something.

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