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"In that case he shouldn't have had sex with her. It's pretty clear cut. If she was too d*unk, she can't give informed consent." Where have you got your information that she was too d*unk? Just because a newspaper says so, does not make it true. Google is your friend. | |||
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"so do you think everyone in prison is guilty ? you dont reckon mistakes are made ? he was persecuted cuz of his profession " our justice system is not 100% efficient and mistakes for a myriad of reasons do occur yes but 'persecuted for his profession'.. no | |||
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"Disappointed that SUFC did not just say that they would never employ him again. What is there to think about ? He was convicted by a jury of his peers so he is a convicted rapist and will be on the sex offenders register. Not the role model that you want to take your kids to look up to. Can't believe the club did not have the balls to say it first instead of the ' will they wont they ' pissing about that will be ongoing for weeks." like you or I he has a right to appeal and I don't think the club will play him till that's heard.. we are all entitled to due process.. | |||
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"if you look at the evidence she was sober enough to get out the taxi alone and walk to the room unhelped ,so how does she do all that and go back to someone hotel room knowing they going to have sex then say no ? " She could have d*unk a lot more in the room. Apart from this evidence what else do you base your theory on. Did she say she was going back for sex? | |||
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"Its very simple .....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAY CAN HE PLAY WITHIN THE PUBLIC EYE AS IT WOULD SEND OUT A TOTALLY WRONG MESSAGE TO YOUNG LADS ETC ETC...FFS WHAT NEXT...... A PEADO READING THE NEWS ON BBC1" That isn't the question. The op thinks he's not guilty. | |||
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"Disappointed that SUFC did not just say that they would never employ him again. What is there to think about ? He was convicted by a jury of his peers so he is a convicted rapist and will be on the sex offenders register. Not the role model that you want to take your kids to look up to. Can't believe the club did not have the balls to say it first instead of the ' will they wont they ' pissing about that will be ongoing for weeks. like you or I he has a right to appeal and I don't think the club will play him till that's heard.. we are all entitled to due process.. " He had due process and was found guilty. Rightly or wrongly footballers are held up as role models for young lads. | |||
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"Its very simple .....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAY CAN HE PLAY WITHIN THE PUBLIC EYE AS IT WOULD SEND OUT A TOTALLY WRONG MESSAGE TO YOUNG LADS ETC ETC...FFS WHAT NEXT...... A PEADO READING THE NEWS ON BBC1 That isn't the question. The op thinks he's not guilty." Its a valid point either way.... | |||
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"Its very simple .....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAY CAN HE PLAY WITHIN THE PUBLIC EYE AS IT WOULD SEND OUT A TOTALLY WRONG MESSAGE TO YOUNG LADS ETC ETC...FFS WHAT NEXT...... A PEADO READING THE NEWS ON BBC1 That isn't the question. The op thinks he's not guilty. Its a valid point either way...." It is. | |||
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"Its very simple .....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAY CAN HE PLAY WITHIN THE PUBLIC EYE AS IT WOULD SEND OUT A TOTALLY WRONG MESSAGE TO YOUNG LADS ETC ETC...FFS WHAT NEXT...... A PEADO READING THE NEWS ON BBC1" Let's wait until the criminal case re_iew and then make the judgement. From what is out there and can be found very easily on the web, I can quite easily see his conviction being overturned, compensation paid and the North Wales Police answering for a case that they should never have pursued. Rape is a horrific crime and it is cases like this that may well harm genuine future cases. | |||
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"the whole case was based on to d*unk for consent ? well she walked in high heel thought the hotel ? is that too d*unk? i personaly feel its a injustice " Is that going to be the new sobriety test? Crock of shit. I've been hammered and still able to walk in heels. Maybe I was begging for it? Will that be your next defence? | |||
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"It doesn't matter when she said no. If she said no, he should have stopped." According to Evans and his co-defendant she said yes to Evans joining in what was already a sexual encounter between her and the co defendant. Both of these guys were charged for rape but only Evans was found guilty. | |||
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"It doesn't matter when she said no. If she said no, he should have stopped. According to Evans and his co-defendant she said yes to Evans joining in what was already a sexual encounter between her and the co defendant. Both of these guys were charged for rape but only Evans was found guilty." So why was he found guilty? I don't think any of us have all the facts, and until the appeal is heard I won't be making any decisions. | |||
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"There was sufficient evidence to convince the jury at his trial." And to convince a judge there was no case for an appeal | |||
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"There was sufficient evidence to convince the jury at his trial. And to convince a judge there was no case for an appeal" As guilty as Derek Bentley. | |||
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"if you look at the evidence she was sober enough to get out the taxi alone and walk to the room unhelped ,so how does she do all that and go back to someone hotel room knowing they going to have sex then say no ? " Because she is as entitled to say no as anyone else. If you arranged a meet in a hotel and the woman turned up but changed her mind would you fuck her anyway? I mean she may have said she would but then decided she really didn't want to. Would you be entitled to fuck her anyway? | |||
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"Who names their kid Ched? " Well he must be guilty then !??  | |||
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"just come on the news that the inquest has been fast tracked ? now what do you say about that ?" nothing | |||
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"just come on the news that the inquest has been fast tracked ? now what do you say about that ?" time will tell.... | |||
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"you will see ,just hope you never find yourself in his position of being wrongly convicted " You seem very certain. Do you have info his defence team might need? | |||
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"you will see ,just hope you never find yourself in his position of being wrongly convicted " I wouldn't want that for anyone, nor would I want to suffer the pain of an assault and the culprit be excused. I prefer that the truth be out.... | |||
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"just come on the news that the inquest has been fast tracked ? now what do you say about that ?" It's an inquiry not an inquest. And considering how high profile this case is, considering how his victim has left her hometown and been given a new identity after Evans' friends and/or supporters shared her identity online, considering that she is constantly being vilified and blamed for being a victim, then I'm glad it's being fast tracked. And I suspect that it's being fast tracked primarily for those reasons and not because he has a particularly strong case | |||
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"Its very simple .....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAY CAN HE PLAY WITHIN THE PUBLIC EYE AS IT WOULD SEND OUT A TOTALLY WRONG MESSAGE TO YOUNG LADS ETC ETC...FFS WHAT NEXT...... A PEADO READING THE NEWS ON BBC1" OR PEADOS IN WESTMINSTER?  | |||
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"no but on reading the evidence i think hes innocent " Maybe you should take over his defence. However, if his conviction stands, just imagine the hell his poor victim will have gone through. Considered to be a liar as well as being a rape victim. And all played out in public with ill informed individuals posting their 'valid' opinions over the web. | |||
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"I been told by various friends that drink that, when people are d*unk, they know what they are doing but just not "bothered" I myself don't drink so not sure if what they told me is right or wrong" Some people may not be "bothered" when in an d*unken state. It's when they sober up that their outlook may not be the same. | |||
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"I been told by various friends that drink that, when people are d*unk, they know what they are doing but just not "bothered" I myself don't drink so not sure if what they told me is right or wrong" That means their normal judgement is impaired. | |||
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"no but on reading the evidence i think hes innocent Maybe you should take over his defence. However, if his conviction stands, just imagine the hell his poor victim will have gone through. Considered to be a liar as well as being a rape victim. And all played out in public with ill informed individuals posting their 'valid' opinions over the web. " Geez - you forgot the other side of the argument!! | |||
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"It doesn't matter when she said no. If she said no, he should have stopped. correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  "Depends if the "no" is after the event or not. | |||
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"i can see your point and if it turns out hes guilty then she should be compensated " Yeah that should make it all better. | |||
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"I been told by various friends that drink that, when people are d*unk, they know what they are doing but just not "bothered" I myself don't drink so not sure if what they told me is right or wrong" I can say that for me, they're wrong. | |||
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"I been told by various friends that drink that, when people are d*unk, they know what they are doing but just not "bothered" I myself don't drink so not sure if what they told me is right or wrong" It's differs between people. I always told both our kids never get so d*unk that you are incapable and never do anything with or to a d*unk person that either of you might regret. This didn't prevent our son posting his jeans with his flat keys in them to a foreign country but at least the only people hurt by this were himself and his landlord. | |||
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"how do we know she said no ,could have just decided in the morning ?" Read my earlier post about the actual circumstances of that night. At which point does it suggest that she consented to his presence? Oh and when she woke up they had left her having told the hotel staff to check on her because "she was sick" - and that action alone suggestions she was d*unk. She woke up having urinated in bed - does that suggest she was sober? | |||
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"I been told by various friends that drink that, when people are d*unk, they know what they are doing but just not "bothered" I myself don't drink so not sure if what they told me is right or wrong It's differs between people. I always told both our kids never get so d*unk that you are incapable and never do anything with or to a d*unk person that either of you might regret. This didn't prevent our son posting his jeans with his flat keys in them to a foreign country but at least the only people hurt by this were himself and his landlord. " I'm sorry, I know this is derailing the thread - but he did what?  | |||
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"I been told by various friends that drink that, when people are d*unk, they know what they are doing but just not "bothered" I myself don't drink so not sure if what they told me is right or wrong It's differs between people. I always told both our kids never get so d*unk that you are incapable and never do anything with or to a d*unk person that either of you might regret. This didn't prevent our son posting his jeans with his flat keys in them to a foreign country but at least the only people hurt by this were himself and his landlord. " Totally agree, or go back with a guy/girl to their hotel room whilst d*unk as it's unlikely the invitation is for a cup of coffee. | |||
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"Now that's be honest here if you ask someone back to your hotel room its a high percentage Chance your gonna get laid " I didn't think she asked Evans back to the hotel, didn't he just turn up ? | |||
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"well unless theres a time machine then thats the best he could do ? and not let him play football would hinder that ? " Fuck his fucking career!! What about the rest of her life? I have a friend who was a victim of rape decades ago. It ruined her life. She ended up divorced (thus putting her children through hell), tried to kill herself, ended up in a psychiatric unit twice and still in therapy to this day. | |||
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"I been told by various friends that drink that, when people are d*unk, they know what they are doing but just not "bothered" I myself don't drink so not sure if what they told me is right or wrong It's differs between people. I always told both our kids never get so d*unk that you are incapable and never do anything with or to a d*unk person that either of you might regret. This didn't prevent our son posting his jeans with his flat keys in them to a foreign country but at least the only people hurt by this were himself and his landlord. Totally agree, or go back with a guy/girl to their hotel room whilst d*unk as it's unlikely the invitation is for a cup of coffee. " But she didn't go back with Evans And inviting a d*unk girl that you've met in the street back isn't at all predatory | |||
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"I been told by various friends that drink that, when people are d*unk, they know what they are doing but just not "bothered" I myself don't drink so not sure if what they told me is right or wrong It's differs between people. I always told both our kids never get so d*unk that you are incapable and never do anything with or to a d*unk person that either of you might regret. This didn't prevent our son posting his jeans with his flat keys in them to a foreign country but at least the only people hurt by this were himself and his landlord. " I need more information as to why someone would post their jeans to a foreign country. Was it a forfeit in a drinking game ? | |||
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"Now that's be honest here if you ask someone back to your hotel room its a high percentage Chance your gonna get laid I didn't think she asked Evans back to the hotel, didn't he just turn up ?" Yeah, but most of the 'experts' defending him seem blissfully aware of the actual facts and are happy to blame the woman for being d*unk. It does prompt the question, why so many people seem to assume that having sex with a d*unk woman who may not be fully aware of her actions is acceptable. | |||
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"no if you go on the website for realese ched evens you will see them both walk in the doors up to the room " So what? That is no evidence at all. Thank god you don't work in law. | |||
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"no if you go on the website for realese ched evens you will see them both walk in the doors up to the room " No you won't. You'll see her entering with McDonald. Do you actually know any of the facts to form your opinion that he is innocent? | |||
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"if she was soooooo d*unk how come she can walk unassisted ?she didnt seem to displeased ? my thought are she went to the room for cock ? " It is telling that throughout this thread, you merely maintain that he is innocent without entering in to a discussion 
But even if she did 'go back for cock' she DID NOT GO BACK WITH EVANS! | |||
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"well unless theres a time machine then thats the best he could do ? and not let him play football would hinder that ? Fuck his fucking career!! What about the rest of her life? I have a friend who was a victim of rape decades ago. It ruined her life. She ended up divorced (thus putting her children through hell), tried to kill herself, ended up in a psychiatric unit twice and still in therapy to this day." & I know someone who was wrongly charged with rape & had to wait in hell for two years untill found not guilty. She, of course got of Scott free!! | |||
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"if she was soooooo d*unk how come she can walk unassisted ?she didnt seem to displeased ? my thought are she went to the room for cock ? " You're entitled to your thoughts. If you invited a woman to your hotel room would you be able to tell why she accepted without asking her? | |||
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"watch the video !!!!! " Defending a convicted rapist with nothing more than a video of someone walking into a hotel. Suggests to me your attitude to women may be a little skewed. Thankfully for you, most site members don't use the forums. | |||
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"yeah it happens and the only reason i am interested in this case is because of the evidence " But you are using your thoughts as evidence. | |||
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"yeah it happens and the only reason i am interested in this case is because of the evidence " But the only evidence you've mentioned is the video and you don't even know who is in it? | |||
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"thanks but i always get permission before anything happens but can see the point when people are d*unk can see it getting confused " Use reply and quote, we will know who you are replying to. | |||
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"well unless theres a time machine then thats the best he could do ? and not let him play football would hinder that ? Fuck his fucking career!! What about the rest of her life? I have a friend who was a victim of rape decades ago. It ruined her life. She ended up divorced (thus putting her children through hell), tried to kill herself, ended up in a psychiatric unit twice and still in therapy to this day. & I know someone who was wrongly charged with rape & had to wait in hell for two years untill found not guilty. She, of course got of Scott free!!" Malicious rape accusations are less than 1% of the number of reported rapes. Whilst horrific for the victim and their family, they are a tiny proportion but are often over stated to defend genuine accusations. Best let him off in case she's lying kind of idea. | |||
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"thanks but i always get permission before anything happens but can see the point when people are d*unk can see it getting confused " It's not confused in law. It's very simple. If someone is d*unk they are deemed to be incapable of saying either yes or no. Therefore, the onus is on the other person. Ignorance of the law is never a defence in any court in the land. Like I said - simple. | |||
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"if she was soooooo d*unk how come she can walk unassisted ?she didnt seem to displeased ? my thought are she went to the room for cock ? You're entitled to your thoughts. If you invited a woman to your hotel room would you be able to tell why she accepted without asking her?" Suppose this is not particular to the ched evens topic but on a more general point, surely as adults whether it's right or wrong, if somebody invites you back to a hotel room after a night out, everyone surely understand what's being suggested. Or would some people go for the sleep over. | |||
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"thanks but i always get permission before anything happens but can see the point when people are d*unk can see it getting confused It's not confused in law. It's very simple. If someone is d*unk they are deemed to be incapable of saying either yes or no. Therefore, the onus is on the other person. Ignorance of the law is never a defence in any court in the land. Like I said - simple. " you make a valid point but you tell me this there is no way of judging d*unkness so eitherway theres gonna be accusations | |||
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"if she was soooooo d*unk how come she can walk unassisted ?she didnt seem to displeased ? my thought are she went to the room for cock ? You're entitled to your thoughts. If you invited a woman to your hotel room would you be able to tell why she accepted without asking her? Suppose this is not particular to the ched evens topic but on a more general point, surely as adults whether it's right or wrong, if somebody invites you back to a hotel room after a night out, everyone surely understand what's being suggested. Or would some people go for the sleep over." And what if someone, once there, changed their mind? Is that not allowed? Or they became d*unk and incapable? Do they deserve to be raped? | |||
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"well unless theres a time machine then thats the best he could do ? and not let him play football would hinder that ? Fuck his fucking career!! What about the rest of her life? I have a friend who was a victim of rape decades ago. It ruined her life. She ended up divorced (thus putting her children through hell), tried to kill herself, ended up in a psychiatric unit twice and still in therapy to this day. & I know someone who was wrongly charged with rape & had to wait in hell for two years untill found not guilty. She, of course got of Scott free!! Malicious rape accusations are less than 1% of the number of reported rapes. Whilst horrific for the victim and their family, they are a tiny proportion but are often over stated to defend igenuine accusations. Best let him off in case she's lying kind of idea. " 
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"if she was soooooo d*unk how come she can walk unassisted ?she didnt seem to displeased ? my thought are she went to the room for cock ? You're entitled to your thoughts. If you invited a woman to your hotel room would you be able to tell why she accepted without asking her? Suppose this is not particular to the ched evens topic but on a more general point, surely as adults whether it's right or wrong, if somebody invites you back to a hotel room after a night out, everyone surely understand what's being suggested. Or would some people go for the sleep over. And what if someone, once there, changed their mind? Is that not allowed? Or they became d*unk and incapable? Do they deserve to be raped?" well if she said no ,then she has a point but as far as the evidence says she didnt | |||
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"thanks but i always get permission before anything happens but can see the point when people are d*unk can see it getting confused It's not confused in law. It's very simple. If someone is d*unk they are deemed to be incapable of saying either yes or no. Therefore, the onus is on the other person. Ignorance of the law is never a defence in any court in the land. Like I said - simple. you make a valid point but you tell me this there is no way of judging d*unkness so eitherway theres gonna be accusations " You mean you can't tell when someone is d*unk????? Really???? You are grasping at straws in your desperation to defend a convicted rapist. And you are defending him because he is a footballer you admire. | |||
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"if she was soooooo d*unk how come she can walk unassisted ?she didnt seem to displeased ? my thought are she went to the room for cock ? You're entitled to your thoughts. If you invited a woman to your hotel room would you be able to tell why she accepted without asking her? Suppose this is not particular to the ched evens topic but on a more general point, surely as adults whether it's right or wrong, if somebody invites you back to a hotel room after a night out, everyone surely understand what's being suggested. Or would some people go for the sleep over. And what if someone, once there, changed their mind? Is that not allowed? Or they became d*unk and incapable? Do they deserve to be raped?" Absolutely not, but you have to think as an adult the situation you may be putting your self into. There's some nasty/evil people out there. | |||
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"if she was soooooo d*unk how come she can walk unassisted ?she didnt seem to displeased ? my thought are she went to the room for cock ? You're entitled to your thoughts. If you invited a woman to your hotel room would you be able to tell why she accepted without asking her? Suppose this is not particular to the ched evens topic but on a more general point, surely as adults whether it's right or wrong, if somebody invites you back to a hotel room after a night out, everyone surely understand what's being suggested. Or would some people go for the sleep over." This is where it gets murky and is an avenue of discussion I'm trying to open up. If I was out with a man and he asked me back to his room for coffee I would assume he meant sex and only go if I wanted to. But thats me. However when we first.started swinging we met a guy for a drink, he asked us back for coffee and because we hadn't discussed sex I assumed he genuinely meant coffee. It was only on the drive home that A pointed out that he thought otherwise. Never assume that you know someone elses intentions is my advice. | |||
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"thanks but i always get permission before anything happens but can see the point when people are d*unk can see it getting confused It's not confused in law. It's very simple. If someone is d*unk they are deemed to be incapable of saying either yes or no. Therefore, the onus is on the other person. Ignorance of the law is never a defence in any court in the land. Like I said - simple. you make a valid point but you tell me this there is no way of judging d*unkness so eitherway theres gonna be accusations " If there is no way of judging d*unkenness - how can you judge sobrierty from a short clip of CCTV? Which is the whole basis of your argument. Do you think that they told the hotel staff that they were concerned about her wellbeing as they left may have been an indication that she was d*unk? | |||
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"if she was soooooo d*unk how come she can walk unassisted ?she didnt seem to displeased ? my thought are she went to the room for cock ? You're entitled to your thoughts. If you invited a woman to your hotel room would you be able to tell why she accepted without asking her? Suppose this is not particular to the ched evens topic but on a more general point, surely as adults whether it's right or wrong, if somebody invites you back to a hotel room after a night out, everyone surely understand what's being suggested. Or would some people go for the sleep over. And what if someone, once there, changed their mind? Is that not allowed? Or they became d*unk and incapable? Do they deserve to be raped? well if she said no ,then she has a point but as far as the evidence says she didnt " Because she was d*unk. SIMPLE. And we know the law's position on that. He took advantage and he has been CONVICTED. | |||
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"if she was soooooo d*unk how come she can walk unassisted ?she didnt seem to displeased ? my thought are she went to the room for cock ? You're entitled to your thoughts. If you invited a woman to your hotel room would you be able to tell why she accepted without asking her? Suppose this is not particular to the ched evens topic but on a more general point, surely as adults whether it's right or wrong, if somebody invites you back to a hotel room after a night out, everyone surely understand what's being suggested. Or would some people go for the sleep over. And what if someone, once there, changed their mind? Is that not allowed? Or they became d*unk and incapable? Do they deserve to be raped? well if she said no ,then she has a point but as far as the evidence says she didnt Because she was d*unk. SIMPLE. And we know the law's position on that. He took advantage and he has been CONVICTED." which is now being contested and fast tracked ? | |||
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"So was ched/McDonald sober when all this had occurred or was everyone as equally d*unk and incapable of decision making, Guess nobody will know. Just wondered." If they were d*unk - does that make rape ok? | |||
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"Out of interest, has anyone here ever responded to a text from a friend saying "I've got a bird" by leaving their home, lying to the door staff at a hotel, to gain entry to the building before entering the room and asking if you can join in while to of your friends are outside videoing it through a window. Can someone tell me how that chain of events is not predatory? " The woman could still have said yes . ( not read up on this case yet so not commenting on it ) | |||
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"how do we know she said no ,could have just decided in the morning ? Read my earlier post about the actual circumstances of that night. At which point does it suggest that she consented to his presence? Oh and when she woke up they had left her having told the hotel staff to check on her because "she was sick" - and that action alone suggestions she was d*unk. She woke up having urinated in bed - does that suggest she was sober? " The statements of Evans and the co defendant are both consistent in that she said yes to Evans joining in. Just because you said something in an earlier post does not make it correct.blook on line and you will find the statements of both men. They both said seperately and under oath that she had said "yeah" when asked if a Evans could join in. Not yes, or yep, or I don't know, or I'm not sure. Both separately said that she said, "yeah." | |||
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"if there all d*unk as each other then nobodys can make a decision? hence why he in my opinion is innocent " But you're argument till now has been that she was far more sober than she claims. And that she willingly went back? Now you are saying they were all d*unk? | |||
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"Who names their kid Ched? " Mr and Mrs Evens answer your question
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"So was ched/McDonald sober when all this had occurred or was everyone as equally d*unk and incapable of decision making, Guess nobody will know. Just wondered. If they were d*unk - does that make rape ok? " No it means there all in a position to not be thinking clearly and making rational decisions. It was more commenting on a comment above where, the onus is on the sober peron to take responsibility which would be difficult if nobody is. | |||
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"no if you go on the website for realese ched evens you will see them both walk in the doors up to the room " Will that be the website set up by convicted rapist Ched Evans for the sole purpose of trying to prove that convicted rapist Ched Evans is in fact innocent and a bit of a victim on all of this? Try finding the re_iew of the case in which an earlier appeal was turned down for a balanced appraisal of the case (it is very easy to find). | |||
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"no if you go on the website for realese ched evens you will see them both walk in the doors up to the room Will that be the website set up by convicted rapist Ched Evans for the sole purpose of trying to prove that convicted rapist Ched Evans is in fact innocent and a bit of a victim on all of this? Try finding the re_iew of the case in which an earlier appeal was turned down for a balanced appraisal of the case (it is very easy to find)." | |||
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"As said before on a previous thread, this case is so grey. Just because someone can't remember the following day weather they said yes or no, DOESN'T prove by any means that they were or weren't sober enough to make that decision the night before! A grey, grey case!" in that case why we he convicted ? the re_iew will clear him simple | |||
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"well unless theres a time machine then thats the best he could do ? and not let him play football would hinder that ? Fuck his fucking career!! What about the rest of her life? I have a friend who was a victim of rape decades ago. It ruined her life. She ended up divorced (thus putting her children through hell), tried to kill herself, ended up in a psychiatric unit twice and still in therapy to this day. & I know someone who was wrongly charged with rape & had to wait in hell for two years untill found not guilty. She, of course got of Scott free!! Malicious rape accusations are less than 1% of the number of reported rapes. Whilst horrific for the victim and their family, they are a tiny proportion but are often over stated to defend igenuine accusations. Best let him off in case she's lying kind of idea.
No, it WAS a false accusation - but he still had to go through hell - & she walked!!
I'm not sure where your figures are coming from - 1%? Really???? "Are you saying it is higher than this? That there's all these women making false accusations? I'm sure that it does happen. But the frequency is dwarfed by the numbers of women being raped, sexually assaulted, men being raped, sexually assaulted and children being raped and abused. The overwhelming majority of these crimes don't even come to the attention of the police let alone result in a conviction. Yet your indignation is reserved for the tiny minority who are falsely accused. | |||
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"if she was soooooo d*unk how come she can walk unassisted ?she didnt seem to displeased ? my thought are she went to the room for cock ? You're entitled to your thoughts. If you invited a woman to your hotel room would you be able to tell why she accepted without asking her? Suppose this is not particular to the ched evens topic but on a more general point, surely as adults whether it's right or wrong, if somebody invites you back to a hotel room after a night out, everyone surely understand what's being suggested. Or would some people go for the sleep over. And what if someone, once there, changed their mind? Is that not allowed? Or they became d*unk and incapable? Do they deserve to be raped? Absolutely not, but you have to think as an adult the situation you may be putting your self into. There's some nasty/evil people out there. That argument only swings around to the 'blame the victim' defence. If I carry money around am I as an adult putting myself into the position of being mugged? I have expensive electronics in my home. Am I as an adukt putting myself in the position of being burgled? I go outside in public. Am I as an adult putting myself in the position of being stalked and murdered by a serial killer? I own a car. Am I as an adult putting myself in the position of having my car stolen? Why is it that in rape cases alone the victim at some point is accused by someone of bringing it upon themselves? No wonder the rape statistics in this country are so high and are on the rise." If your that d*unk you don't know what your doing then yes I suppose you are putting your self at an increased risk because your more vulnerable. | |||
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"Rape is always the rapists fault it is never because the woman or man dressed provocatively, was alone in a dark street , went back to a hotel room, got d*unk, had a certain look on his or her face, had consensual sex with hundreds of other men, is a sex.worker or any of the other reasons men and women use.to make the.victim responsible for.the crime. " | |||
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"if she was soooooo d*unk how come she can walk unassisted ?she didnt seem to displeased ? my thought are she went to the room for cock ? You're entitled to your thoughts. If you invited a woman to your hotel room would you be able to tell why she accepted without asking her? Suppose this is not particular to the ched evens topic but on a more general point, surely as adults whether it's right or wrong, if somebody invites you back to a hotel room after a night out, everyone surely understand what's being suggested. Or would some people go for the sleep over. And what if someone, once there, changed their mind? Is that not allowed? Or they became d*unk and incapable? Do they deserve to be raped? Absolutely not, but you have to think as an adult the situation you may be putting your self into. There's some nasty/evil people out there. That argument only swings around to the 'blame the victim' defence. If I carry money around am I as an adult putting myself into the position of being mugged? I have expensive electronics in my home. Am I as an adukt putting myself in the position of being burgled? I go outside in public. Am I as an adult putting myself in the position of being stalked and murdered by a serial killer? I own a car. Am I as an adult putting myself in the position of having my car stolen? Why is it that in rape cases alone the victim at some point is accused by someone of bringing it upon themselves? No wonder the rape statistics in this country are so high and are on the rise. If your that d*unk you don't know what your doing then yes I suppose you are putting your self at an increased risk because your more vulnerable." My mum was in an electric disabled buggy out shopping when she was attacked. As a vulnerable adult maybe she shouldn't have gone out and exposed herself to such risk? What world do we want for our children? One where people can use the defence of 'oh she was d*unk so she brought it on herself'? Or one where we support laws designed to protect us when we are vulnerable rather than blame the victim? I know which one I'd prefer. | |||
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"can argue all we want on here but untill its re_iewed we wont be any futher ahead ,if its overturned his lifes still ruined because peoples will still think hes guilty You really don't want to engage in reasoned logical argument based on fact other than the narrow sliver of hope you have that your hero is a raping scumbag do you? he could well be and if he is then he should have had a longer sentence" That's not really an answer to the question I asked. | |||
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" No, it WAS a false accusation - but he still had to go through hell - & she walked!! I'm not sure where your figures are coming from - 1%? Really???? " http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/21016808 According to this it is 5% so a bit more but not much. | |||
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"Its very simple .....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAY CAN HE PLAY WITHIN THE PUBLIC EYE AS IT WOULD SEND OUT A TOTALLY WRONG MESSAGE TO YOUNG LADS ETC ETC...FFS WHAT NEXT...... A PEADO READING THE NEWS ON BBC1Or a Convicted KILLER taking a starring role in Eastenders on BBC1 primetime TV.....Oh I forgot that's already happened and there was no public outcry then was there " There was at the time yes | |||
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"Who names their kid Ched? " Just one vowel away from perfection | |||
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"can argue all we want on here but untill its re_iewed we wont be any futher ahead ,if its overturned his lifes still ruined because peoples will still think hes guilty You really don't want to engage in reasoned logical argument based on fact other than the narrow sliver of hope you have that your hero is a raping scumbag do you? he could well be and if he is then he should have had a longer sentence That's not really an answer to the question I asked. ok tell me why hes guilty ? what makes you so convinced that he guilty apart " Apart from being convicted by a jury you mean? | |||
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" No, it WAS a false accusation - but he still had to go through hell - & she walked!! I'm not sure where your figures are coming from - 1%? Really???? http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/21016808 According to this it is 5% so a bit more but not much." what's 500% between friends? | |||
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"if she was soooooo d*unk how come she can walk unassisted ?she didnt seem to displeased ? my thought are she went to the room for cock ? You're entitled to your thoughts. If you invited a woman to your hotel room would you be able to tell why she accepted without asking her? Suppose this is not particular to the ched evens topic but on a more general point, surely as adults whether it's right or wrong, if somebody invites you back to a hotel room after a night out, everyone surely understand what's being suggested. Or would some people go for the sleep over. And what if someone, once there, changed their mind? Is that not allowed? Or they became d*unk and incapable? Do they deserve to be raped? Absolutely not, but you have to think as an adult the situation you may be putting your self into. There's some nasty/evil people out there. That argument only swings around to the 'blame the victim' defence. If I carry money around am I as an adult putting myself into the position of being mugged? I have expensive electronics in my home. Am I as an adukt putting myself in the position of being burgled? I go outside in public. Am I as an adult putting myself in the position of being stalked and murdered by a serial killer? I own a car. Am I as an adult putting myself in the position of having my car stolen? Why is it that in rape cases alone the victim at some point is accused by someone of bringing it upon themselves? No wonder the rape statistics in this country are so high and are on the rise. If your that d*unk you don't know what your doing then yes I suppose you are putting your self at an increased risk because your more vulnerable. My mum was in an electric disabled buggy out shopping when she was attacked. As a vulnerable adult maybe she shouldn't have gone out and exposed herself to such risk? What world do we want for our children? One where people can use the defence of 'oh she was d*unk so she brought it on herself'? Or one where we support laws designed to protect us when we are vulnerable rather than blame the victim? I know which one I'd prefer. " But your mum has not chosen to make her self more vulnerable by getting so d*unk that she's incapable of making a rational decision or knowing what went on so its a strange comparison. | |||
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"if she was soooooo d*unk how come she can walk unassisted ?she didnt seem to displeased ? my thought are she went to the room for cock ? You're entitled to your thoughts. If you invited a woman to your hotel room would you be able to tell why she accepted without asking her? Suppose this is not particular to the ched evens topic but on a more general point, surely as adults whether it's right or wrong, if somebody invites you back to a hotel room after a night out, everyone surely understand what's being suggested. Or would some people go for the sleep over. And what if someone, once there, changed their mind? Is that not allowed? Or they became d*unk and incapable? Do they deserve to be raped? Absolutely not, but you have to think as an adult the situation you may be putting your self into. There's some nasty/evil people out there. That argument only swings around to the 'blame the victim' defence. If I carry money around am I as an adult putting myself into the position of being mugged? I have expensive electronics in my home. Am I as an adukt putting myself in the position of being burgled? I go outside in public. Am I as an adult putting myself in the position of being stalked and murdered by a serial killer? I own a car. Am I as an adult putting myself in the position of having my car stolen? Why is it that in rape cases alone the victim at some point is accused by someone of bringing it upon themselves? No wonder the rape statistics in this country are so high and are on the rise. If your that d*unk you don't know what your doing then yes I suppose you are putting your self at an increased risk because your more vulnerable. My mum was in an electric disabled buggy out shopping when she was attacked. As a vulnerable adult maybe she shouldn't have gone out and exposed herself to such risk? What world do we want for our children? One where people can use the defence of 'oh she was d*unk so she brought it on herself'? Or one where we support laws designed to protect us when we are vulnerable rather than blame the victim? I know which one I'd prefer. But your mum has not chosen to make her self more vulnerable by getting so d*unk that she's incapable of making a rational decision or knowing what went on so its a strange comparison. " So you accept that she was that d*unk then? Do you think that McDonald who met her in the street (not in a club) when she was alone may have preyed on that vulnaribility? | |||
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"can argue all we want on here but untill its re_iewed we wont be any futher ahead ,if its overturned his lifes still ruined because peoples will still think hes guilty You really don't want to engage in reasoned logical argument based on fact other than the narrow sliver of hope you have that your hero is a raping scumbag do you? he could well be and if he is then he should have had a longer sentence That's not really an answer to the question I asked. ok tell me why hes guilty ? what makes you so convinced that he guilty apart Try answering my question. Guilty because a jury of his peers, having sat through all the evidence (which YOU have NOT), found him guilty. " ok he was convicted ,and he is potentially guilty ,answer me this why would he be going though all this hassle and more court hearings if he was innocent ? if he is guilty he would know he has no chance of changing it and want it forgotten | |||
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"can argue all we want on here but untill its re_iewed we wont be any futher ahead ,if its overturned his lifes still ruined because peoples will still think hes guilty You really don't want to engage in reasoned logical argument based on fact other than the narrow sliver of hope you have that your hero is a raping scumbag do you? he could well be and if he is then he should have had a longer sentence That's not really an answer to the question I asked. ok tell me why hes guilty ? what makes you so convinced that he guilty apart Try answering my question. Guilty because a jury of his peers, having sat through all the evidence (which YOU have NOT), found him guilty. ok he was convicted ,and he is potentially guilty ,answer me this why would he be going though all this hassle and more court hearings if he was innocent ? if he is guilty he would know he has no chance of changing it and want it forgotten " It is clear that many pople on here think that having sex with a woman to d*unk to consent is not a crime. Maybe that is why he maintains his innocence? | |||
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"can argue all we want on here but untill its re_iewed we wont be any futher ahead ,if its overturned his lifes still ruined because peoples will still think hes guilty You really don't want to engage in reasoned logical argument based on fact other than the narrow sliver of hope you have that your hero is a raping scumbag do you? he could well be and if he is then he should have had a longer sentence That's not really an answer to the question I asked. ok tell me why hes guilty ? what makes you so convinced that he guilty apart Try answering my question. Guilty because a jury of his peers, having sat through all the evidence (which YOU have NOT), found him guilty. ok he was convicted ,and he is potentially guilty ,answer me this why would he be going though all this hassle and more court hearings if he was innocent ? if he is guilty he would know he has no chance of changing it and want it forgotten " also why was mcdonald not charged of the same offence they both slept with her ? ?????????? | |||
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"can argue all we want on here but untill its re_iewed we wont be any futher ahead ,if its overturned his lifes still ruined because peoples will still think hes guilty You really don't want to engage in reasoned logical argument based on fact other than the narrow sliver of hope you have that your hero is a raping scumbag do you? he could well be and if he is then he should have had a longer sentence That's not really an answer to the question I asked. ok tell me why hes guilty ? what makes you so convinced that he guilty apart Try answering my question. Guilty because a jury of his peers, having sat through all the evidence (which YOU have NOT), found him guilty. ok he was convicted ,and he is potentially guilty ,answer me this why would he be going though all this hassle and more court hearings if he was innocent ? if he is guilty he would know he has no chance of changing it and want it forgotten because he is after a contract at sheff utd," hes done his time rightly or wrongly ? | |||
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"can argue all we want on here but untill its re_iewed we wont be any futher ahead ,if its overturned his lifes still ruined because peoples will still think hes guilty You really don't want to engage in reasoned logical argument based on fact other than the narrow sliver of hope you have that your hero is a raping scumbag do you? he could well be and if he is then he should have had a longer sentence That's not really an answer to the question I asked. ok tell me why hes guilty ? what makes you so convinced that he guilty apart Try answering my question. Guilty because a jury of his peers, having sat through all the evidence (which YOU have NOT), found him guilty. ok he was convicted ,and he is potentially guilty ,answer me this why would he be going though all this hassle and more court hearings if he was innocent ? if he is guilty he would know he has no chance of changing it and want it forgotten also why was mcdonald not charged of the same offence they both slept with her ? ??????????" he was charged and acquitted. Do you know anything about this case? | |||
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"can argue all we want on here but untill its re_iewed we wont be any futher ahead ,if its overturned his lifes still ruined because peoples will still think hes guilty You really don't want to engage in reasoned logical argument based on fact other than the narrow sliver of hope you have that your hero is a raping scumbag do you? he could well be and if he is then he should have had a longer sentence That's not really an answer to the question I asked. ok tell me why hes guilty ? what makes you so convinced that he guilty apart Try answering my question. Guilty because a jury of his peers, having sat through all the evidence (which YOU have NOT), found him guilty. ok he was convicted ,and he is potentially guilty ,answer me this why would he be going though all this hassle and more court hearings if he was innocent ? if he is guilty he would know he has no chance of changing it and want it forgotten also why was mcdonald not charged of the same offence they both slept with her ? ?????????? He was. But was aquitted. " By the same jury which convicted Evans and which, according to the appeal re_iew was in receipt of all the relevant evidence and properly instructed by the judge. | |||
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"you will see ,just hope you never find yourself in his position of being wrongly convicted You seem very certain. Do you have info his defence team might need?" are you a mate of his by any chance? | |||
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"Neither Mcdonald or the woman invited him to the hotel." But they did invite him into a threesome with them, and she said yes. It maybe was a d*unk yes, but still a yes to him, and to anyone who hears that yes that is consent. Its a grey case, he is right to appeal, he is guilty at the moment, if his appeal succeeds then he will be innocent. | |||
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" No, it WAS a false accusation - but he still had to go through hell - & she walked!! I'm not sure where your figures are coming from - 1%? Really???? http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/21016808 According to this it is 5% so a bit more but not much. what's 500% between friends?
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Ooooh yes you did....... you said that 500% was a bit more but not much!! "My apologies as I wasn't clear enough. I meant I am not commenting nor care what the statistics were, I was just trying to be helpful as like you, I thought the 1% sounded low. | |||
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"Before I ask this , I don't condone rape nor think there should be any excuse for it...but I also think we should all be wary of putting ourselves in vulnerable situations. The question is though, mainly for men as they are the ones on trial or being accused...IF someone was so d*unk they couldn't stand, wouldn't any decent man walk away? ( I am not saying she was d*unk or not, it is a general question )" yes i would and have done | |||
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" No, it WAS a false accusation - but he still had to go through hell - & she walked!! I'm not sure where your figures are coming from - 1%? Really???? http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/21016808 According to this it is 5% so a bit more but not much. what's 500% between friends?
I was just clarifying for you both...not commenting
Ooooh yes you did....... you said that 500% was a bit more but not much!!
My apologies as I wasn't clear enough.
I meant I am not commenting nor care what the statistics were, I was just trying to be helpful as like you, I thought the 1% sounded low.
"This statistic relates to malicious reports as a percentage of reported rapes recorded by the police. A casual search by Google will tell you that only 5 to 25 % of rapes are reported. Therefore, it is highly unlikely that malicious reports account for 1% of all rapes let alone 5%. But don't let this get in the way of your misogynistic beliefs. | |||
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" No, it WAS a false accusation - but he still had to go through hell - & she walked!! I'm not sure where your figures are coming from - 1%? Really???? http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/21016808 According to this it is 5% so a bit more but not much. what's 500% between friends?
I was just clarifying for you both...not commenting
Ooooh yes you did....... you said that 500% was a bit more but not much!!
My apologies as I wasn't clear enough.
I meant I am not commenting nor care what the statistics were, I was just trying to be helpful as like you, I thought the 1% sounded low.
This statistic relates to malicious reports as a percentage of reported rapes recorded by the police. A casual search by Google will tell you that only 5 to 25 % of rapes are reported. Therefore, it is highly unlikely that malicious reports account for 1% of all rapes let alone 5%. But don't let this get in the way of your misogynistic beliefs. "Which part of my posts made you think I have misogynistic beliefs ? | |||
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"Before I ask this , I don't condone rape nor think there should be any excuse for it...but I also think we should all be wary of putting ourselves in vulnerable situations. The question is though, mainly for men as they are the ones on trial or being accused...IF someone was so d*unk they couldn't stand, wouldn't any decent man walk away? ( I am not saying she was d*unk or not, it is a general question )" Of course, I mean, it would feel like necrophilia, - a Jimmy Saville at the local mortuary but then, if say, this is outside a hotel on a street, would I just leave her there d*unk as a skunk? Well, no, I wouldn't do that, so, considering that I couldn't call her a cab because she's far too d*unk to know where she lives & it's probably illegal for a taxi to carry someone that d*unk either, - what would I do????
Again, another grey one??????
Maybe I'd take her back to my hotel room & try & pump her with coffee???
But then, maybe I'd be foolish & leaving myself wide open to false accusations against me????
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"Before I ask this , I don't condone rape nor think there should be any excuse for it...but I also think we should all be wary of putting ourselves in vulnerable situations. The question is though, mainly for men as they are the ones on trial or being accused...IF someone was so d*unk they couldn't stand, wouldn't any decent man walk away? ( I am not saying she was d*unk or not, it is a general question )" Yes they would and you make a very good point...no decent man would have sex with a woman who was either incapable of consent or who had clearly not given her consent. There is simply no defence against it. | |||
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"Neither Mcdonald or the woman invited him to the hotel. But they did invite him into a threesome with them, and she said yes. It maybe was a d*unk yes, but still a yes to him, and to anyone who hears that yes that is consent. Its a grey case, he is right to appeal, he is guilty at the moment, if his appeal succeeds then he will be innocent." The law is clear. If she was d*unk she cannot give consent. | |||
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"Before I ask this , I don't condone rape nor think there should be any excuse for it...but I also think we should all be wary of putting ourselves in vulnerable situations. The question is though, mainly for men as they are the ones on trial or being accused...IF someone was so d*unk they couldn't stand, wouldn't any decent man walk away? ( I am not saying she was d*unk or not, it is a general question ) Of course, I mean, it would feel like necrophilia, - a Jimmy Saville at the local mortuary but then, if say, this is outside a hotel on a street, would I just leave her there d*unk as a skunk? Well, no, I wouldn't do that, so, considering that I couldn't call her a cab because she's far too d*unk to know where she lives & it's probably illegal for a taxi to carry someone that d*unk either, - what would I do????
Again, another grey one??????
Maybe I'd take her back to my hotel room & try & pump her with coffee???
But then, maybe I'd be foolish & leaving myself wide open to false accusations against me????
Interesting; what would you do in that situation????? "I wouldn't be in the position of the female as I am not really a drinker....BUT if I was a man and picked up a woman d*unk then I think I might make sure she was ok and maybe find a cab but I wouldn't be having sex with her no. | |||
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"Neither Mcdonald or the woman invited him to the hotel. But they did invite him into a threesome with them, and she said yes. It maybe was a d*unk yes, but still a yes to him, and to anyone who hears that yes that is consent. Its a grey case, he is right to appeal, he is guilty at the moment, if his appeal succeeds then he will be innocent. The law is clear. If she was d*unk she cannot give consent. true but what if ched was too ? " if he was d*unk he wasn't responsible for rape? Would you apply the same logic to a d*unk driver who ran over and killed someone? I can see where you're coming from, his thinking was skewed in the same way hers would have been and its an interesting point. | |||
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"Neither Mcdonald or the woman invited him to the hotel. But they did invite him into a threesome with them, and she said yes. It maybe was a d*unk yes, but still a yes to him, and to anyone who hears that yes that is consent. Its a grey case, he is right to appeal, he is guilty at the moment, if his appeal succeeds then he will be innocent. The law is clear. If she was d*unk she cannot give consent. true but what if ched was too ? if he was d*unk he wasn't responsible for rape? Would you apply the same logic to a d*unk driver who ran over and killed someone? I can see where you're coming from, his thinking was skewed in the same way hers would have been and its an interesting point." you cant compare the two drink driving and rape but two d*unk people fucking is nothing new | |||
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"can argue all we want on here but untill its re_iewed we wont be any futher ahead ,if its overturned his lifes still ruined because peoples will still think hes guilty You really don't want to engage in reasoned logical argument based on fact other than the narrow sliver of hope you have that your hero is a raping scumbag do you? he could well be and if he is then he should have had a longer sentence That's not really an answer to the question I asked. ok tell me why hes guilty ? what makes you so convinced that he guilty apart Try answering my question. Guilty because a jury of his peers, having sat through all the evidence (which YOU have NOT), found him guilty. ok he was convicted ,and he is potentially guilty ,answer me this why would he be going though all this hassle and more court hearings if he was innocent ? if he is guilty he would know he has no chance of changing it and want it forgotten It is clear that many pople on here think that having sex with a woman to d*unk to consent is not a crime. Maybe that is why he maintains his innocence?" He maintains his innocence because, like a few predatory men, he genuinely believes he can do what he wants with a woman. He may feel the same way as some who have posted. That she is somehow culpable as she was d*unk. Therefore, he maintains his innocence. Many criminals of the worst type have maintained their innocence and even convinced some people that it was true. Doesn't make them innocence. | |||
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"Neither Mcdonald or the woman invited him to the hotel. But they did invite him into a threesome with them, and she said yes. It maybe was a d*unk yes, but still a yes to him, and to anyone who hears that yes that is consent. Its a grey case, he is right to appeal, he is guilty at the moment, if his appeal succeeds then he will be innocent. The law is clear. If she was d*unk she cannot give consent. true but what if ched was too ? if he was d*unk he wasn't responsible for rape? Would you apply the same logic to a d*unk driver who ran over and killed someone? I can see where you're coming from, his thinking was skewed in the same way hers would have been and its an interesting point. you cant compare the two drink driving and rape but two d*unk people fucking is nothing new " why can't the two be compared? This is a great deal more than just two d*unk people fucking though isn't it? | |||
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"Neither Mcdonald or the woman invited him to the hotel. But they did invite him into a threesome with them, and she said yes. It maybe was a d*unk yes, but still a yes to him, and to anyone who hears that yes that is consent. Its a grey case, he is right to appeal, he is guilty at the moment, if his appeal succeeds then he will be innocent. The law is clear. If she was d*unk she cannot give consent. true but what if ched was too ? if he was d*unk he wasn't responsible for rape? Would you apply the same logic to a d*unk driver who ran over and killed someone? I can see where you're coming from, his thinking was skewed in the same way hers would have been and its an interesting point." I think what he means is, if both people are so pissed neither know what is going on and find themselves having sex, which one is consenting/ not consenting....or is it two people having sex when d*unk. ( again, a general comment not talking about this case) | |||
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"can argue all we want on here but untill its re_iewed we wont be any futher ahead ,if its overturned his lifes still ruined because peoples will still think hes guilty You really don't want to engage in reasoned logical argument based on fact other than the narrow sliver of hope you have that your hero is a raping scumbag do you? he could well be and if he is then he should have had a longer sentence That's not really an answer to the question I asked. ok tell me why hes guilty ? what makes you so convinced that he guilty apart Try answering my question. Guilty because a jury of his peers, having sat through all the evidence (which YOU have NOT), found him guilty. ok he was convicted ,and he is potentially guilty ,answer me this why would he be going though all this hassle and more court hearings if he was innocent ? if he is guilty he would know he has no chance of changing it and want it forgotten It is clear that many pople on here think that having sex with a woman to d*unk to consent is not a crime. Maybe that is why he maintains his innocence? He maintains his innocence because, like a few predatory men, he genuinely believes he can do what he wants with a woman. He may feel the same way as some who have posted. That she is somehow culpable as she was d*unk. Therefore, he maintains his innocence. Many criminals of the worst type have maintained their innocence and even convinced some people that it was true. Doesn't make them innocence. " were never going to agree but i feel your not open minded about what could of happened and bit naive | |||
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"Neither Mcdonald or the woman invited him to the hotel. But they did invite him into a threesome with them, and she said yes. It maybe was a d*unk yes, but still a yes to him, and to anyone who hears that yes that is consent. Its a grey case, he is right to appeal, he is guilty at the moment, if his appeal succeeds then he will be innocent. The law is clear. If she was d*unk she cannot give consent. true but what if ched was too ? if he was d*unk he wasn't responsible for rape? Would you apply the same logic to a d*unk driver who ran over and killed someone? I can see where you're coming from, his thinking was skewed in the same way hers would have been and its an interesting point. I think what he means is, if both people are so pissed neither know what is going on and find themselves having sex, which one is consenting/ not consenting....or is it two people having sex when d*unk. ( again, a general comment not talking about this case) " Yes I think that too. I think these things should be discussed more often, it might make these situations less likely to occur....or maybe not  | |||
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"Before I ask this , I don't condone rape nor think there should be any excuse for it...but I also think we should all be wary of putting ourselves in vulnerable situations. The question is though, mainly for men as they are the ones on trial or being accused...IF someone was so d*unk they couldn't stand, wouldn't any decent man walk away? ( I am not saying she was d*unk or not, it is a general question ) Of course, I mean, it would feel like necrophilia, - a Jimmy Saville at the local mortuary but then, if say, this is outside a hotel on a street, would I just leave her there d*unk as a skunk? Well, no, I wouldn't do that, so, considering that I couldn't call her a cab because she's far too d*unk to know where she lives & it's probably illegal for a taxi to carry someone that d*unk either, - what would I do????
Again, another grey one??????
Maybe I'd take her back to my hotel room & try & pump her with coffee???
But then, maybe I'd be foolish & leaving myself wide open to false accusations against me????
Interesting; what would you do in that situation?????
I wouldn't be in the position of the female as I am not really a drinker....BUT if I was a man and picked up a woman d*unk then I think I might make sure she was ok and maybe find a cab but I wouldn't be having sex
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"can argue all we want on here but untill its re_iewed we wont be any futher ahead ,if its overturned his lifes still ruined because peoples will still think hes guilty You really don't want to engage in reasoned logical argument based on fact other than the narrow sliver of hope you have that your hero is a raping scumbag do you? he could well be and if he is then he should have had a longer sentence That's not really an answer to the question I asked. ok tell me why hes guilty ? what makes you so convinced that he guilty apart Try answering my question. Guilty because a jury of his peers, having sat through all the evidence (which YOU have NOT), found him guilty. ok he was convicted ,and he is potentially guilty ,answer me this why would he be going though all this hassle and more court hearings if he was innocent ? if he is guilty he would know he has no chance of changing it and want it forgotten It is clear that many pople on here think that having sex with a woman to d*unk to consent is not a crime. Maybe that is why he maintains his innocence? He maintains his innocence because, like a few predatory men, he genuinely believes he can do what he wants with a woman. He may feel the same way as some who have posted. That she is somehow culpable as she was d*unk. Therefore, he maintains his innocence. Many criminals of the worst type have maintained their innocence and even convinced some people that it was true. Doesn't make them innocence. were never going to agree but i feel your not open minded about what could of happened and bit naive " I don't need to be open minded in the case of a convicted rapist. What kind of open minded thinking did you want? For me to just agree with you? And at my age I am far from naive. But thanks for thinking of me like that. You simply won't engage in any reasoned argument. All you have is a cctv video which proves nothing. You are prejudiced in favour of your hero and blind to the fact that he is guilty. | |||
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"can argue all we want on here but untill its re_iewed we wont be any futher ahead ,if its overturned his lifes still ruined because peoples will still think hes guilty You really don't want to engage in reasoned logical argument based on fact other than the narrow sliver of hope you have that your hero is a raping scumbag do you? he could well be and if he is then he should have had a longer sentence That's not really an answer to the question I asked. ok tell me why hes guilty ? what makes you so convinced that he guilty apart Try answering my question. Guilty because a jury of his peers, having sat through all the evidence (which YOU have NOT), found him guilty. ok he was convicted ,and he is potentially guilty ,answer me this why would he be going though all this hassle and more court hearings if he was innocent ? if he is guilty he would know he has no chance of changing it and want it forgotten It is clear that many pople on here think that having sex with a woman to d*unk to consent is not a crime. Maybe that is why he maintains his innocence? He maintains his innocence because, like a few predatory men, he genuinely believes he can do what he wants with a woman. He may feel the same way as some who have posted. That she is somehow culpable as she was d*unk. Therefore, he maintains his innocence. Many criminals of the worst type have maintained their innocence and even convinced some people that it was true. Doesn't make them innocence. were never going to agree but i feel your not open minded about what could of happened and bit naive I feel your mind is made up and quite closed actually. " then you haven't read the thread ? i have said there is a possibility of him being guilty | |||
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" No, it WAS a false accusation - but he still had to go through hell - & she walked!! I'm not sure where your figures are coming from - 1%? Really???? http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/21016808 According to this it is 5% so a bit more but not much. what's 500% between friends?
I was just clarifying for you both...not commenting
Ooooh yes you did....... you said that 500% was a bit more but not much!!
My apologies as I wasn't clear enough.
I meant I am not commenting nor care what the statistics were, I was just trying to be helpful as like you, I thought the 1% sounded low.
This statistic relates to malicious reports as a percentage of reported rapes recorded by the police. A casual search by Google will tell you that only 5 to 25 % of rapes are reported. Therefore, it is highly unlikely that malicious reports account for 1% of all rapes let alone 5%. But don't let this get in the way of your misogynistic beliefs.
Which part of my posts made you think I have misogynistic beliefs ?"I was referring to the other contributor to this discussion. You, by your 'thought that sounded a bit low' comment, are also reflecting a widely-held belief perpetuated by the media that there are hoards of women out there making malicious allegations. Strange how that this takes up so much discussion time on these threads. Rather than the injustice faced by many victims of assault. | |||
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"can argue all we want on here but untill its re_iewed we wont be any futher ahead ,if its overturned his lifes still ruined because peoples will still think hes guilty You really don't want to engage in reasoned logical argument based on fact other than the narrow sliver of hope you have that your hero is a raping scumbag do you? he could well be and if he is then he should have had a longer sentence That's not really an answer to the question I asked. ok tell me why hes guilty ? what makes you so convinced that he guilty apart Try answering my question. Guilty because a jury of his peers, having sat through all the evidence (which YOU have NOT), found him guilty. ok he was convicted ,and he is potentially guilty ,answer me this why would he be going though all this hassle and more court hearings if he was innocent ? if he is guilty he would know he has no chance of changing it and want it forgotten It is clear that many pople on here think that having sex with a woman to d*unk to consent is not a crime. Maybe that is why he maintains his innocence? He maintains his innocence because, like a few predatory men, he genuinely believes he can do what he wants with a woman. He may feel the same way as some who have posted. That she is somehow culpable as she was d*unk. Therefore, he maintains his innocence. Many criminals of the worst type have maintained their innocence and even convinced some people that it was true. Doesn't make them innocence. were never going to agree but i feel your not open minded about what could of happened and bit naive " But you've ignored every post challenging your _iew, shown a total lack of knowledge of the case and then changed your argument from 'she was sober' to 'they were both d*unk' | |||
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"can argue all we want on here but untill its re_iewed we wont be any futher ahead ,if its overturned his lifes still ruined because peoples will still think hes guilty You really don't want to engage in reasoned logical argument based on fact other than the narrow sliver of hope you have that your hero is a raping scumbag do you? he could well be and if he is then he should have had a longer sentence That's not really an answer to the question I asked. ok tell me why hes guilty ? what makes you so convinced that he guilty apart Try answering my question. Guilty because a jury of his peers, having sat through all the evidence (which YOU have NOT), found him guilty. ok he was convicted ,and he is potentially guilty ,answer me this why would he be going though all this hassle and more court hearings if he was innocent ? if he is guilty he would know he has no chance of changing it and want it forgotten It is clear that many pople on here think that having sex with a woman to d*unk to consent is not a crime. Maybe that is why he maintains his innocence? He maintains his innocence because, like a few predatory men, he genuinely believes he can do what he wants with a woman. He may feel the same way as some who have posted. That she is somehow culpable as she was d*unk. Therefore, he maintains his innocence. Many criminals of the worst type have maintained their innocence and even convinced some people that it was true. Doesn't make them innocence. were never going to agree but i feel your not open minded about what could of happened and bit naive But you've ignored every post challenging your _iew, shown a total lack of knowledge of the case and then changed your argument from 'she was sober' to 'they were both d*unk' "its call a discussion ? | |||
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"can argue all we want on here but untill its re_iewed we wont be any futher ahead ,if its overturned his lifes still ruined because peoples will still think hes guilty You really don't want to engage in reasoned logical argument based on fact other than the narrow sliver of hope you have that your hero is a raping scumbag do you? he could well be and if he is then he should have had a longer sentence That's not really an answer to the question I asked. ok tell me why hes guilty ? what makes you so convinced that he guilty apart Try answering my question. Guilty because a jury of his peers, having sat through all the evidence (which YOU have NOT), found him guilty. ok he was convicted ,and he is potentially guilty ,answer me this why would he be going though all this hassle and more court hearings if he was innocent ? if he is guilty he would know he has no chance of changing it and want it forgotten It is clear that many pople on here think that having sex with a woman to d*unk to consent is not a crime. Maybe that is why he maintains his innocence? He maintains his innocence because, like a few predatory men, he genuinely believes he can do what he wants with a woman. He may feel the same way as some who have posted. That she is somehow culpable as she was d*unk. Therefore, he maintains his innocence. Many criminals of the worst type have maintained their innocence and even convinced some people that it was true. Doesn't make them innocence. were never going to agree but i feel your not open minded about what could of happened and bit naive I feel your mind is made up and quite closed actually. then you haven't read the thread ? i have said there is a possibility of him being guilty " You have also clearly and unambiguously stated your belief that he's innocent | |||
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"He maintains his innocence because, like a few predatory men, he genuinely believes he can do what he wants with a woman. " But it pretty obvious he does not believe that at all, its a rubbish accusation you are making. In his mind he is innocent because he has done nothing wrong, him, his friend and this girl had a really good threesum which everyone was enjoying at the time. And then the next day he is accused of rape. That is why he maintains his innocence, not because he thinks he is above the law. I would say 80% (i guess!) of the people on this site have had sex while d*unk at some point in there life. That is where the grey area of this case is and why its not straightforward and CHed feels innocent. | |||
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"can argue all we want on here but untill its re_iewed we wont be any futher ahead ,if its overturned his lifes still ruined because peoples will still think hes guilty You really don't want to engage in reasoned logical argument based on fact other than the narrow sliver of hope you have that your hero is a raping scumbag do you? he could well be and if he is then he should have had a longer sentence That's not really an answer to the question I asked. ok tell me why hes guilty ? what makes you so convinced that he guilty apart Try answering my question. Guilty because a jury of his peers, having sat through all the evidence (which YOU have NOT), found him guilty. ok he was convicted ,and he is potentially guilty ,answer me this why would he be going though all this hassle and more court hearings if he was innocent ? if he is guilty he would know he has no chance of changing it and want it forgotten It is clear that many pople on here think that having sex with a woman to d*unk to consent is not a crime. Maybe that is why he maintains his innocence? He maintains his innocence because, like a few predatory men, he genuinely believes he can do what he wants with a woman. He may feel the same way as some who have posted. That she is somehow culpable as she was d*unk. Therefore, he maintains his innocence. Many criminals of the worst type have maintained their innocence and even convinced some people that it was true. Doesn't make them innocence. were never going to agree but i feel your not open minded about what could of happened and bit naive I feel your mind is made up and quite closed actually. then you haven't read the thread ? i have said there is a possibility of him being guilty " Hang on a minute! Didn't your opening post say that you personally thought he was not guilty? Does this mean that you have been swayed by the comments in this thread? Or have you looked into the facts more thoroughly than previously (which appeared to be based on one piece of cctv footage) and now feel that with more information you have changed your opinion? Or are you simply wary of committing yourself to such a black/white _iew of this in the light of reasoned and more highly informed argument and debate? | |||
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" Which part of my posts made you think I have misogynistic beliefs ? I was referring to the other contributor to this discussion. You, by your 'thought that sounded a bit low' comment, are also reflecting a widely-held belief perpetuated by the media that there are hoards of women out there making malicious allegations. . " I don't believe there are " hoards " of women making up allegations. I just thought it was a low figure. It might have been better quoting the other person you meant. | |||
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"Before I ask this , I don't condone rape nor think there should be any excuse for it...but I also think we should all be wary of putting ourselves in vulnerable situations. The question is though, mainly for men as they are the ones on trial or being accused...IF someone was so d*unk they couldn't stand, wouldn't any decent man walk away? ( I am not saying she was d*unk or not, it is a general question ) Of course, I mean, it would feel like necrophilia, - a Jimmy Saville at the local mortuary but then, if say, this is outside a hotel on a street, would I just leave her there d*unk as a skunk? Well, no, I wouldn't do that, so, considering that I couldn't call her a cab because she's far too d*unk to know where she lives & it's probably illegal for a taxi to carry someone that d*unk either, - what would I do????
Again, another grey one??????
Maybe I'd take her back to my hotel room & try & pump her with coffee???
But then, maybe I'd be foolish & leaving myself wide open to false accusations against me????
Interesting; what would you do in that situation?????
I wouldn't be in the position of the female as I am not really a drinker....BUT if I was a man and picked up a woman d*unk then I think I might make sure she was ok and maybe find a cab but I wouldn't be having sex
with her no.
No, that's not what I was asking - grrrrrrrrr!
"I am lost then , I thought I answered your question of " Interesting; what would you do in that situation????? " | |||
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