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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

has anyone noticed whatever your _iew of the guy...how in the last 2 months the papers tv,radio and news media have all as one gone farage hunting on a scale never seen proportions....is he that scary ?

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By *nvictusMan
over a year ago

Beeston

As the 'acceptable' face of racism and homophobia? Yes, what he represents is that worrying.

I loathe him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As the 'acceptable' face of racism and homophobia? Yes, what he represents is that worrying.

I loathe him

I wrote a poem about him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

he gets my vote

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By *nvictusMan
over a year ago

Beeston

"As the 'acceptable' face of racism and homophobia? Yes, what he represents is that worrying.

I loathe him

I wrote a poem about him.

Post it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As the 'acceptable' face of racism and homophobia? Yes, what he represents is that worrying.

I loathe him

I wrote a poem about him.

Post it!

Noooo..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hes just took the place of the hopeless limp dems and he will fail just like they have.i dont like him as a person and i dont like his party what his party stands for is anyones guess just like the limp dems

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The mainstream media all have vested interests and affiliations with the Tories or Labour, so when the media attacks Ukip it is not too hard to see the influence behind such attacks. Too much power and influence is at stake. I predicted a while back that attacks on Ukip would start. Now I will predict that one or two scandals will be broken by the media in the run up to the next election, probably in the early New Year. Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As the 'acceptable' face of racism and homophobia? Yes, what he represents is that worrying.

I loathe him

I wrote a poem about him.

What rhymes with Farage?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"hes just took the place of the hopeless limp dems and he will fail just like they have.i dont like him as a person and i dont like his party what his party stands for is anyones guess just like the limp dems"

The Lib Dems are worlds apart.

For one they're not a right wing party.

Read their manifesto.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As the 'acceptable' face of racism and homophobia? Yes, what he represents is that worrying.

I loathe him

I wrote a poem about him.

What rhymes with Farage? "

Barrage

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As the 'acceptable' face of racism and homophobia? Yes, what he represents is that worrying.

I loathe him

I wrote a poem about him.

What rhymes with Farage? "

Garage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Lib Dems are worlds apart.

For one they're not a right wing party.

Read their manifesto.

the manifesto is not worth the paper its written on for any political party

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As the 'acceptable' face of racism and homophobia? Yes, what he represents is that worrying.

I loathe him

I wrote a poem about him.

What rhymes with Farage?

Garage."

You're posh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As the 'acceptable' face of racism and homophobia? Yes, what he represents is that worrying.

I loathe him

I wrote a poem about him.

What rhymes with Farage?

Garage.

You're posh. "

Or his name is actually pronounced Farridge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As the 'acceptable' face of racism and homophobia? Yes, what he represents is that worrying.

I loathe him

I wrote a poem about him.

What rhymes with Farage?

Garage.

You're posh.

Or his name is actually pronounced Farridge

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"has anyone noticed whatever your _iew of the guy...how in the last 2 months the papers tv,radio and news media have all as one gone farage hunting on a scale never seen proportions....is he that scary ?

Not sure that this is really the case but he has put himself on the line by actively pushing to get MP's in da House... Therefore it must be expected that if he want to be taken seriously then he, his Party and their policies are going to come under much more scrutiny than when they were _iewed as no more than an irritant.

UKIP will be really exposed as the election draws near because I suspect that their manifesto will be torn to shreds by the media. Let's not kid ourselves about UKIP. They are very firmly a good few miles to the right of the Tories who seemingly most people despise. It should not come as a surprise then when UKIP policies turn out to uber Tory policies and barely a hint of any social conscience that you might expect from labour and the lib Dems.

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By *nvictusMan
over a year ago

Beeston

"As the 'acceptable' face of racism and homophobia? Yes, what he represents is that worrying.

I loathe him

I wrote a poem about him.

What rhymes with Farage?

Garage.

You're posh. "

I thought that too. I bet they shop at Waitrose

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Lib Dems are worlds apart.

For one they're not a right wing party.

Read their manifesto.

the manifesto is not worth the paper its written on for any political party"

oooh okay...back to slaggin' off Farage in my garage so...

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By *ust MonicaWoman
over a year ago

CAMBRIDGESHIRE

"As the 'acceptable' face of racism and homophobia? Yes, what he represents is that worrying.

I loathe him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As the 'acceptable' face of racism and homophobia? Yes, what he represents is that worrying.

I loathe him

I wrote a poem about him.

What rhymes with Farage?

Garage.

You're posh. "

not at all, couldn't bring myself to say farawwwwwwge or garaawwwwwge.

farage in me garage...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As the 'acceptable' face of racism and homophobia? Yes, what he represents is that worrying.

I loathe him

I wrote a poem about him.

What rhymes with Farage?

Garage.

You're posh.

I thought that too. I bet they shop at Waitrose

lol..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone will publicly slag him off,

everyone will vote for him.

...just like they did Thatcher.

Did anyone here *vote* for Maggie? No? Funny how she did so well and so will he. I prefered him in Only Fools And Horses and Minder...

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

The OP from another thread on UKIP.

Still sits, still watches and still smiles.

Let the media do their work, they have probably been working night and day trying to come up with some sort of scandal about him. They aint found nothing yet.

And if they do, it wont be any worse than what member of the Tories, Labour or the other insignificant lot get up to.

Sits, watches and smiles

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The OP from another thread on UKIP.

Still sits, still watches and still smiles.

Let the media do their work, they have probably been working night and day trying to come up with some sort of scandal about him. They aint found nothing yet.

And if they do, it wont be any worse than what member of the Tories, Labour or the other insignificant lot get up to.

Sits, watches and smiles

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The mainstream media all have vested interests and affiliations with the Tories or Labour"

This

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"The OP from another thread on UKIP.

Still sits, still watches and still smiles.

Let the media do their work, they have probably been working night and day trying to come up with some sort of scandal about him. They aint found nothing yet.

And if they do, it wont be any worse than what member of the Tories, Labour or the other insignificant lot get up to.

Sits, watches and smiles

There is much that would find favour of in UKIP policy. Further and deeper cuts than the coalition have even dared think about. As said by Neil Hamilton on Question Time. Further privatisation of the NHS to promote competition and improve efficiencies as explained by Paul Nuttall. I liked the idea of the single tax rate for all but that seems to be under re_iew now. The only part of UKIP policy that I don't like is their stance on immigration and HS2.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The OP from another thread on UKIP.

Still sits, still watches and still smiles.

Let the media do their work, they have probably been working night and day trying to come up with some sort of scandal about him. They aint found nothing yet.

And if they do, it wont be any worse than what member of the Tories, Labour or the other insignificant lot get up to.

Sits, watches and smiles

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You really have to ask yourself.............Whats the other option?..Milliband?..limper than Clegg or another round with the Tories skinning the working man while the rich get richer

Britain needs more parties and more choice

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

"The OP from another thread on UKIP.

Still sits, still watches and still smiles.

Let the media do their work, they have probably been working night and day trying to come up with some sort of scandal about him. They aint found nothing yet.

And if they do, it wont be any worse than what member of the Tories, Labour or the other insignificant lot get up to.

Sits, watches and smiles

You really have to ask yourself.............Whats the other option?..Milliband?..limper than Clegg or another round with the Tories skinning the working man while the rich get richer

Britain needs more parties and more choice"

I did

That's why I joined UKIP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As the 'acceptable' face of racism and homophobia? Yes, what he represents is that worrying.

I loathe him

I wrote a poem about him.

What rhymes with Farage?

Barrage "

Nigel farage

Is bringing the barrage

Into Cameron's garage

He's making him flustered

Like wanking with mustard

I wonder if clegg likes the taste

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The OP from another thread on UKIP.

Still sits, still watches and still smiles.

Let the media do their work, they have probably been working night and day trying to come up with some sort of scandal about him. They aint found nothing yet.

And if they do, it wont be any worse than what member of the Tories, Labour or the other insignificant lot get up to.

Sits, watches and smiles

You really have to ask yourself.............Whats the other option?..Milliband?..limper than Clegg or another round with the Tories skinning the working man while the rich get richer

Britain needs more parties and more choice

I did

That's why I joined UKIP"

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

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I know, the forums are no exception.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"The OP from another thread on UKIP.

Still sits, still watches and still smiles.

Let the media do their work, they have probably been working night and day trying to come up with some sort of scandal about him. They aint found nothing yet.

And if they do, it wont be any worse than what member of the Tories, Labour or the other insignificant lot get up to.

Sits, watches and smiles

You really have to ask yourself.............Whats the other option?..Milliband?..limper than Clegg or another round with the Tories skinning the working man while the rich get richer

Britain needs more parties and more choice"

You do understand that UKIP are like Conservatives on steroids don't you? Their natural philosophy is conservatism and so you can absolutely expect tax cuts and much more austerity. I happen to think that this is a good thing but I just think that you should perhaps understand where they sit in the political spectrum. Being right wing is not about being lovey dovey and looking after anyone. It is about cutting taxes for everyone, reducing government reliance by slashing the size of the government (cuts like you haven't even imagined could happen). Imagine Mrs a Thatcher and go a bit further to the right and this is UKIP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is a man that says what he thinks, that bit about him I like, living in Greece he was the only person to speak up for the ordinary Greek person..he is maybe better liked in Greece then he is on this thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The mainstream media all have vested interests and affiliations with the Tories or Labour

This

More a vested disinterest, there is nothing interesting in Cameron Clegg or Milliband so they have to look for someone else to fill the rags with.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"As the 'acceptable' face of racism and homophobia? Yes, what he represents is that worrying.

I loathe him

I wrote a poem about him.

What rhymes with Farage?

Barrage

Nigel farage

Is bringing the barrage

Into Cameron's garage

He's making him flustered

Like wanking with mustard

I wonder if clegg likes the taste

A barrage is a large balloon, isn't it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Being right wing is not about being lovey dovey and looking after anyone. It is about cutting taxes for everyone, "

Well not really everyone, the stated rate was 31% for all, so those earning more than 40k will gain but anyone under that pays quite a bit more. as the average salary it 26k that means much more than half the population will be paying 50% more tax

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As the 'acceptable' face of racism and homophobia? Yes, what he represents is that worrying.

I loathe him

I wrote a poem about him.

What rhymes with Farage?

Barrage

Nigel farage

Is bringing the barrage

Into Cameron's garage

He's making him flustered

Like wanking with mustard

I wonder if clegg likes the taste

A barrage is a large balloon, isn't it?"

More of an artillery, canons that sort of thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The mainstream media all have vested interests and affiliations with the Tories or Labour

This

More a vested disinterest, there is nothing interesting in Cameron Clegg or Milliband so they have to look for someone else to fill the rags with."

It is less about filling rags than thought control. Thatcher and Blair both realised that winning over Murdoch would see The Sun give them their support, swaying millions of readers with partial reporting. Who can forget the 'Will the last person out of Britain turn out the lights' headline in The Sun when Kinnock was favourite to win? Don't underestimate the power of the press. The major parties don't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A barrage is a large balloon, isn't it?

More of an artillery, canons that sort of thing."

Oh I don't know, bag of wind seems quite appropriate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The mainstream media all have vested interests and affiliations with the Tories or Labour

This

More a vested disinterest, there is nothing interesting in Cameron Clegg or Milliband so they have to look for someone else to fill the rags with."

The ower's of said media outlets have a vested interest in Mr £ and Mr $

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

He's a charlatan who has now taken to stealing Lib Dem policies, that's the lowest of the low.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The OP from another thread on UKIP.

Still sits, still watches and still smiles.

Let the media do their work, they have probably been working night and day trying to come up with some sort of scandal about him. They aint found nothing yet.

And if they do, it wont be any worse than what member of the Tories, Labour or the other insignificant lot get up to.

Sits, watches and smiles

You really have to ask yourself.............Whats the other option?..Milliband?..limper than Clegg or another round with the Tories skinning the working man while the rich get richer

Britain needs more parties and more choice

UKIP all the way here

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Being right wing is not about being lovey dovey and looking after anyone. It is about cutting taxes for everyone,

That is the tax policy that they are now backtracking on.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"The OP from another thread on UKIP.

Still sits, still watches and still smiles.

Let the media do their work, they have probably been working night and day trying to come up with some sort of scandal about him. They aint found nothing yet.

And if they do, it wont be any worse than what member of the Tories, Labour or the other insignificant lot get up to.

Sits, watches and smiles

You really have to ask yourself.............Whats the other option?..Milliband?..limper than Clegg or another round with the Tories skinning the working man while the rich get richer

Britain needs more parties and more choice

UKIP all the way here"

Don't get me wrong I wholly support most of the UKIP thinking because at heart I am a conservative minded individual. However someone thinking that any political party is going to help the ordinary working man is really wishful thinking. Not least a party that is well to the right of anything we have ever seen in this country.

It literally amazes me that people will trash the Conservatives for being tough on ordinary people and only for the rich and yet seemingly ignore what UKIP luminaries have already said about the NHS and further austerity. It is impossible to think that UKIP will be anything other than Tory's on steroids because that is exactly what they are.

As I said earlier, if it was not for their stance on Europe and HS2 I would be a natural UKIP supporter because I think it is high time that really meaningful austerity cuts were made, taxes reduced and the NHS privatised. I fully agree with those UKIP policies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The OP from another thread on UKIP.

Still sits, still watches and still smiles.

Let the media do their work, they have probably been working night and day trying to come up with some sort of scandal about him. They aint found nothing yet.

And if they do, it wont be any worse than what member of the Tories, Labour or the other insignificant lot get up to.

Sits, watches and smiles

You really have to ask yourself.............Whats the other option?..Milliband?..limper than Clegg or another round with the Tories skinning the working man while the rich get richer

Britain needs more parties and more choice

UKIP all the way here"

There is nothing wrong with making your own mind up its not as if the others inspire confidence ad its laughable some of the bullshit some make up about Farage.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

im large

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Well he has a personality and that counts for a lot to mindless voters

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Well he has a personality and that counts for a lot to mindless voters"

aha but so did screaming lord sutch..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In 2015 i'm voting in accordance with my bell end.

If it's still purple , then UKIP.

Otherwise : Green.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are all the same a big bunch of money grabbing liars politics lib lab con now ukip apparently the vote is a powerful thing use it wisely simple as but it's hard to pick a golden egg from a pack of rotten apples.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's disgusting that this party can come along and threaten the livelihoods of the professional political classes born of Eaton and Oxbridge, are they supposed to go and get real jobs?!!! For goodness sake turn your back on these upstarts! It doesn't matter if you vote blue or red (they're all the same) just please, keep these posh boys doing what they do best, pissing our money up the wall!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As the 'acceptable' face of racism and homophobia? Yes, what he represents is that worrying.

I loathe him

Me too.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"I think it's disgusting that this party can come along and threaten the livelihoods of the professional political classes born of Eaton and Oxbridge, are they supposed to go and get real jobs?!!! For goodness sake turn your back on these upstarts! It doesn't matter if you vote blue or red (they're all the same) just please, keep these posh boys doing what they do best, pissing our money up the wall!!!"

Eton

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no need to worry, most right wing parties have only come to power after a period of weak government usually involving socialist parties.......oh.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

In 2015 i'm voting in accordance with my bell end.

If it's still purple , then UKIP.

Otherwise : Green. "
Yellow for Labour then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Eaton, like Eton, but tasty!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone remember the song with which Blair and Nu-Labour won the 1997 election?

D:Ream's "Things Can Only Get Better"

How long do we have to wait, or is Farage and UKIP the answer?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Eaton, like Eton, but tasty!!"

It's a mess.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In 2015 i'm voting in accordance with my bell end.

If it's still purple , then UKIP.

Otherwise : Green. Yellow for Labour then?

Different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are just doing the Tories bidding, the more we see of UKIP the less likely we are to vote for them, well normal people that is

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Eaton, like Eton, but tasty!!

It's a mess. "

Eaton messy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no, the more people vote for ukip the more chance you'll have of having that camel nosed, brother-back-stabbing, posh boy twat, in power, as opposed to that other prick.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For the last 100 years the establishment more or less has been a 2 party system....the reason why they are panicking is that he is a real and viable threat to the very foundation of british politics....I have been annoyed by the press and tv for attempting to discredit this Man......particularly the BBC.

I may not hold all of their tentative policies but I think its time for radical change .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just vote local, forget about which party they affiliate with.

3 cheeks.....same arse. Or is it 4 cheeks now???

That's one hell if an ARSE!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As the 'acceptable' face of racism and homophobia? Yes, what he represents is that worrying.

I loathe him

I don't know him but I haven't been indoctrinated by the media like you. I can only assume you make accusations is to try and make people feel they shouldn't vote for him as it will make them racists too and thats quite decisive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Always makes me chuckle when i read of people who loathe/hate the intolerant bigots that will vote for UKIP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Always makes me chuckle when i read of people who loathe/hate the intolerant bigots that will vote for UKIP."

I just think its pretty hypocritical and they are as bad or possibly worse.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The public and the media don't like charlatans and fakery. He pretends to be something new, but is just a tired chip off the old block. He's very rich, ex conservative and has proposed policies where many of them are extensions to right wing conservative policy. It's a breath of air into politics that smells as fresh as Eric Pickles sweaty underwear.

He's had a party manifesto, withdrawn it, produced nothing and that party is a one trick pony setup. They've had swivel eyed loons join them, no one really knows anything of them other than their anti EU stance, so they've created themselves as a caricature of politicians rolled into one. Self-interested, on the make, power hungry and treating voters with contempt as if we're stupid mugs. Some are.

We have a right wing media who look for their own short term profit and to continue within a political sphere that sustains their wealth. The imposter ukip swivel eyed one will be toyed with in many ways but they probably will drop him at any point that it's more certain that he's been rumbled as same old same old politician trying to dress in sheep's clothing.

He's a self interested lightweight with a PR bent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Making plans for Nigel

Here today, gone tomorrow man

Big grin, small chin

Were you just a mirage, Farage?

*curtseys and trots off stage left*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The public and the media don't like charlatans and fakery. He pretends to be something new, but is just a tired chip off the old block. He's very rich, ex conservative and has proposed policies where many of them are extensions to right wing conservative policy. It's a breath of air into politics that smells as fresh as Eric Pickles sweaty underwear.

He's a self interested lightweight with a PR bent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ALL politians are lazy,lying low lifes - never voted,never will.

It's all a con !

One party blames another for the national debt & it's utter bullshit if you want the truth about it all watch this & wise up & invest smartly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The public and the media don't like charlatans and fakery.

"
That's pure drivel the media are the most bigoted biased groups with their own self interest you only haver to look how Cameron sucks up to them to see that.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

He's a self interested lightweight with a PR bent.

its difficult not to agree with that..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He's a self interested lightweight with a PR bent.

its difficult not to agree with that.."

Only for someone who has little knowledge of the political system.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

He's a self interested lightweight with a PR bent.

its difficult not to agree with that..

Only for someone who has little knowledge of the political system."

if you look properly its not a thesis per se on the 'political system'..

its an opinion which I tend to agree with and you by your poor attempt to insinuate a lack of knowledge in an opposing _iew your only displaying ignorance..

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over a year ago

He's a self interested lightweight with a PR bent.

its difficult not to agree with that..

Only for someone who has little knowledge of the political system.

if you look properly its not a thesis per se on the 'political system'..

its an opinion which I tend to agree with and you by your poor attempt to insinuate a lack of knowledge in an opposing _iew your only displaying ignorance..

It wasn't an an insinuation more of an opinion based on facts! Your poor attempt at insinuating ignorance only goes to prove my point.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

He's a self interested lightweight with a PR bent.

its difficult not to agree with that..

Only for someone who has little knowledge of the political system.

if you look properly its not a thesis per se on the 'political system'..

its an opinion which I tend to agree with and you by your poor attempt to insinuate a lack of knowledge in an opposing _iew your only displaying ignorance..

It wasn't an an insinuation more of an opinion based on facts! Your poor attempt at insinuating ignorance only goes to prove my point. "

facts..?

ok debate that which you feel is factual or otherwise, that's the nature of discussion by the way ..

your 'opinion' that others are 'ignorant' is clear..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He's a self interested lightweight with a PR bent.

its difficult not to agree with that..

Only for someone who has little knowledge of the political system.

if you look properly its not a thesis per se on the 'political system'..

its an opinion which I tend to agree with and you by your poor attempt to insinuate a lack of knowledge in an opposing _iew your only displaying ignorance..

It wasn't an an insinuation more of an opinion based on facts! Your poor attempt at insinuating ignorance only goes to prove my point.

facts..?

ok debate that which you feel is factual or otherwise, that's the nature of discussion by the way ..

your 'opinion' that others are 'ignorant' is clear.."

You flout your ignorance like a giant 21st birthday badge never the less your lack of knowledge on the subject makes it a pointless exercise.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

I get the feeling that as the general election looms closer that we'll all be posting on rightswingers.com

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

He's a self interested lightweight with a PR bent.

its difficult not to agree with that..

Only for someone who has little knowledge of the political system.

if you look properly its not a thesis per se on the 'political system'..

its an opinion which I tend to agree with and you by your poor attempt to insinuate a lack of knowledge in an opposing _iew your only displaying ignorance..

It wasn't an an insinuation more of an opinion based on facts! Your poor attempt at insinuating ignorance only goes to prove my point.

facts..?

ok debate that which you feel is factual or otherwise, that's the nature of discussion by the way ..

your 'opinion' that others are 'ignorant' is clear..

You flout your ignorance like a giant 21st birthday badge never the less your lack of knowledge on the subject makes it a pointless exercise. "

your opinion or your insinuation is a smoke screen to try and duck the issue..

you said 'facts' remember..?

happy to debate your _iew on that..?

or don't you have one and prefer to attempt to shout down opposing _iews..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He's a self interested lightweight with a PR bent.

its difficult not to agree with that..

Only for someone who has little knowledge of the political system.

if you look properly its not a thesis per se on the 'political system'..

its an opinion which I tend to agree with and you by your poor attempt to insinuate a lack of knowledge in an opposing _iew your only displaying ignorance..

It wasn't an an insinuation more of an opinion based on facts! Your poor attempt at insinuating ignorance only goes to prove my point.

facts..?

ok debate that which you feel is factual or otherwise, that's the nature of discussion by the way ..

your 'opinion' that others are 'ignorant' is clear..

You flout your ignorance like a giant 21st birthday badge never the less your lack of knowledge on the subject makes it a pointless exercise.

your opinion or your insinuation is a smoke screen to try and duck the issue..

you said 'facts' remember..?

happy to debate your _iew on that..?

or don't you have one and prefer to attempt to shout down opposing _iews..?

There you go again that badge must be the size if a dustbin lid by now! Its not trying to duck anything you just lack knowledge to make it even mildly interesting for me and I don't have the desire to educate you.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

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a big plonker....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't shout it too loud you don't want everyone to know.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

He's a self interested lightweight with a PR bent.

its difficult not to agree with that..

Only for someone who has little knowledge of the political system."

You don't need to have a knowledge of the political system in order to offer an opinion on what UKIP are offering. Paul Nuttall thinks that the NHS stifles competition and not only said so, but had it written on his website. No political knowledge to understand what he means. Neil Hamilton told us all on Question Time that the coalition cuts were nothing like what were needed. Why does anyone need to have a knowledge of politics to understand these things? They have been said and written in plain English for the avoidance of doubt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ALL politians are lazy,lying low lifes - never voted,never will.

It's all a con !

One party blames another for the national debt & it's utter bullshit if you want the truth about it all watch this & wise up & invest smartly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0"
In my opinion if you dont vote its a crime and if you really do not vote then your point of _iew is immaterial and not worth consideration

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He's a self interested lightweight with a PR bent.

its difficult not to agree with that..

Only for someone who has little knowledge of the political system.

Thats not what I was commenting on though is it!

It was in reference saying " its difficult not to agree with that" which was a comment on another opinion. With knowledge of the political system its far from difficult to disagree with it and has absolutely nothing to do with Paul Nuttall. I hope that clears things up for you..

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

"ALL politians are lazy,lying low lifes - never voted,never will.

It's all a con !

One party blames another for the national debt & it's utter bullshit if you want the truth about it all watch this & wise up & invest smartly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0In my opinion if you dont vote its a crime and if you really do not vote then your point of _iew is immaterial and not worth consideration"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ALL politians are lazy,lying low lifes - never voted,never will.

It's all a con !

One party blames another for the national debt & it's utter bullshit if you want the truth about it all watch this & wise up & invest smartly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0In my opinion if you dont vote its a crime and if you really do not vote then your point of _iew is immaterial and not worth consideration"

I don't know about it being a crime but I would agree if people don't vote then their opinion is worth little consideration after all there is nearly always a local independent candidate and it would be better to vote for them than nobody at all if in most cases they are campaigning for local issues.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I shouldn't really say this, purely for the amount of hate mail coming my way but he's actually a decent bloke. I share a pint with him on occasions and, to be fair, he's only really jumping on what the layman in the street is thinking.

But he's pretty normal compared to the public old boys network in the higher echelons of the other parties.

By the way, I won't be voting UKIP!!

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

"ALL politians are lazy,lying low lifes - never voted,never will.

It's all a con !

One party blames another for the national debt & it's utter bullshit if you want the truth about it all watch this & wise up & invest smartly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0In my opinion if you dont vote its a crime and if you really do not vote then your point of _iew is immaterial and not worth consideration

They are usually the ones that moan the most. (non voters)

Well apart from the ones that vote either Labour or Conservative, their favourite moan is. Voting for anyone other than either of their parties is a wasted vote.

Bit like, we only lost because of all those people voted for those upstarts from UKIP.

Sits, watches, smiles

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

being condescending clearly comes natural to you, perhaps also try and work on your ability to debate in what is a public forum..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I shouldn't really say this, purely for the amount of hate mail coming my way but he's actually a decent bloke. I share a pint with him on occasions and, to be fair, he's only really jumping on what the layman in the street is thinking.

But he's pretty normal compared to the public old boys network in the higher echelons of the other parties.

By the way, I won't be voting UKIP!!

I am sure he is, at the end of the day he is a "celebrity" doing what celebrities do to exploit the media. That is why he has the job of being UKIP front man. Lets face it how many other MEP's do you know the name of let alone see in the media! He is better known than 80+% of actual elected politicians in the house of commons and is so good at media manipulation that he has been asked to take part in the leadership debates for the next election despite never having won a single seat in the house of commons in any previous full election.

I am suspicious of the remainder of the parties policies which seem to vanish as soon as they are questioned, and not convinced that leaving the EU is in our best interests.

Bloke may be OK, he is clever, but I wouldn't trust him and won't be voting for his party.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

UKIP are still a "protest vote" party... but I think that's what's needed about now.

I would encourage people to vote for them in by-elections, as, and we can see it already, when they win, the main parties do sit up and take notice.

But for gods sake DO NOT think that they are (yet) a viable alternative to the main established parties in a general election!

The party with most to fear are the Lib Dems, getting pushed out of third place would sound the death toll for a party who only got into power by default, and are now busy trying to undo any good work done.

But making a protest vote during the main election will probably play into millibands hands, and I for one am not ready for Labour to have another shot at bankrupting the country again!

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

The Lib Dems are the perfect example of how votes don't turn into seats in the first past the post system.

In the 2010 general election they got nearly 25% of the votes but less than 10% of the seats.

They definitely won't be getting 25% of votes in 2015.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"The public and the media don't like charlatans and fakery.

That's pure drivel the media are the most bigoted biased groups with their own self interest you only haver to look how Cameron sucks up to them to see that. "

They 'like' them superficially whilst it serves their needs but charlatans are their first easy targets as they don't need to look far for a story.

Cameron sucks up to them as another lightweight whose main expertise is PR.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As the 'acceptable' face of racism and homophobia? Yes, what he represents is that worrying.

I loathe him

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

We British wonder how the German people sleepwalked into a NAZI dictatorship in the 1930s.

Look at UKIP and how Farage is seducing those who are feeling disenfranchised and you have your answer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Plus: Isn't UKIP a party essentially funded by one billionaire and fronted by an ex-banker?

Sure I heard that somewhere.

If it's true ... I know who they'll be looking out for if they get into power.

It won't be us.

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By *punkloverCouple
over a year ago

hatfield

I just think that people are so very tired of hearing the same old thing from the bigger parties that are saying the same thing, he simply says the things he thinks people want to hear about immigration, jobs and Europe, haven't heard a thing about the NHS, debt or anything like that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People who slag off UKIP need to get a reality check.

First of all they want us out of Europe so we dont pay for something to get less back.

Second immigration is out of control. Of course we need certain people from anywhere you can get them but not an open door policy where anyone can just walk in without a job and get an house, schooling, NHS sevices benifits that really we dont have the means to pay for.

Any Londoners im sure will tell you that people from abroad all out of work fill our streets of certain parts of London . They have to Live somewhere and need money to pay for it, It all comes out of the taxpayers pocket.

Stop your silly slanders and look at the real picture.

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

"We British wonder how the German people sleepwalked into a NAZI dictatorship in the 1930s.

Look at UKIP and how Farage is seducing those who are feeling disenfranchised and you have your answer."

Oh right, so now we are all Nazis.

Next you will be telling me we are all right wing football hooligans as well

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"People who slag off UKIP need to get a reality check.

First of all they want us out of Europe so we dont pay for something to get less back.

Stop your silly slanders and look at the real picture."

Why not just dismantle the benefits system period? That way, anyone coming here has no option but to work. I really don't understand why immigrants get blamed for having something that everyone else has as a matter of course. Cut back the bloated and grotesque benefits system and any perceived point of agitation will sort itself out.

Nobody should be paid to have children. Tax credits should not be paid to equalise wages if someone can work more hours or get a better job. Private medical insurance should be tax deductible and anyone under 25 should not be getting a future state pension so need to make their own arrangements now.

I think that you would be hard pushed to disagree with any of that because it is also UKIP policy - or maybe you did not know that UKIP want very severe austerity cuts and privatisation of the NHS?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hes what british politics has needed for a long time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

please tell me what is good or ok about an immigrant geeting benefits in a skint country

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Stop your silly slanders and look at the real picture."

How is it slander to examine and critique policies?

It seems to me that a lot of people supporting UKIP have no idea what their policies actually are.

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

"Plus: Isn't UKIP a party essentially funded by one billionaire and fronted by an ex-banker?

Sure I heard that somewhere.

If it's true ... I know who they'll be looking out for if they get into power.

It won't be us."

Does look that way according to Channel4

Since 2001, Ukip has received the sum total of £7,075,092.56 in donations, according to accounts filed with the Electoral Commission. The donor who stands out is Paul Sykes, the Yorkshire businessman and property developer. He used to be a Tory member but later turned to Ukip. Either individually, through his company, the Paul Sykes Group Ltd or through his Highstone Group Ltd, he has given £1.46m to the party.

Stuart Wheeler, Eton-educated businessman and treasurer of the party, was known for making the largest single donation to the Conservatives when he gave £5m during the 2001 election campaign, but he turned to Ukip. He gave Ukip their largest single donation from an individual in 2010 of £150,000, and has given the party £514, 957 since 2001.

The second largest individual donation since 2001 came from Julian Blackwell, owner of Blackwell's, the publishing group. In October 2010, he made two donations of £125,000 and £50,000. another Old Etonian who is a fan of Ukip, and that's James Donald Charteris, or Lord Neidpath, as he is known, a former close friend of the Queen Mother.

Since 2001, he has donated at least £54,000 on nine separate occasions. Then there's Viscount Michael Cowdray - a British heir and member of the Pearson publishing family. He is also the 12th richest British aristocrat, according to the latest Sunday Times rich list, and the 10th largest landowner in the UK. Contribution to Ukip £35,000 between 2008 to March this year.

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By *ityboy2001Man
over a year ago

All NW

Go back 100 years yes the first of two major worldwars during times of economic stagnation the rise of the far right across Europe is worrying..

Then again why can't the media actually publish what EU membership actually costs... Yes Germany puts in the most but it's also taken out most to rebuild the Eastern Germany...

End of politics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Go back 100 years yes the first of two major worldwars during times of economic stagnation the rise of the far right across Europe is worrying..

Then again why can't the media actually publish what EU membership actually costs... Yes Germany puts in the most but it's also taken out most to rebuild the Eastern Germany...

End of politics

Last time I heard, Britain - not Germany - was putting most in to the EU. A cost of £1million AN HOUR. Admittedly, these figures were from about 5 to 10 tears ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Were people also aware that companies do NOT have to pay minimum wage to, for example, Polish workers? So who will they employ to do the most mundane jobs?

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over a year ago

"It seems to me that a lot of people supporting UKIP have no idea what their policies actually are."

Seems a lot of members and even the leader of UKIP have no idea what their policies are!

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Were people also aware that companies do NOT have to pay minimum wage to, for example, Polish workers? So who will they employ to do the most mundane jobs? "

Can you provide evidence of this, a link or something? I'd like to read it.

As far as I know, immigrants are not one of the groups who are denied NMW, but am happy to be proved wrong.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"It seems to me that a lot of people supporting UKIP have no idea what their policies actually are.

Seems a lot of members and even the leader of UKIP have no idea what their policies are!

Their skimmed milk manifesto is out (not the full one) and there are 3 big tax cuts in it with lots of ideas about cutting certain budgets but it will definitely not be enough to balance the books - I look forward to seeing what numbers they publish in the run-up to the election.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Were people also aware that companies do NOT have to pay minimum wage to, for example, Polish workers? So who will they employ to do the most mundane jobs? "

Not true:- the list from the government website has no mention of country of origin:-

Not entitled to the minimum wage

The following types of workers aren’t entitled to the minimum wage:

self-employed people running their own business

company directors

volunteers or voluntary workers

workers on a government employment programme, eg the Work Programme

family members of the employer living in the employer’s home

non-family members living in the employer’s home who share in the work and leisure activities, are treated as one of the family and aren’t charged for meals or accommodation (eg au pairs)

workers younger than school leaving age (usually 16)

higher and further education students on a work placement up to 1 year

workers on government pre-apprenticeships schemes

people on the following European Union programmes: Leonardo da Vinci, Youth in Action, Erasmus, Comenius

people working on a Jobcentre Plus Work trial for 6 weeks

members of the armed forces

share fishermen

prisoners

people living and working in a religious community

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Were people also aware that companies do NOT have to pay minimum wage to, for example, Polish workers? So who will they employ to do the most mundane jobs?

Not true:- the list from the government website has no mention of country of origin:-

Not entitled to the minimum wage

The following types of workers aren’t entitled to the minimum wage:

self-employed people running their own business

company directors

volunteers or voluntary workers

workers on a government employment programme, eg the Work Programme

family members of the employer living in the employer’s home

non-family members living in the employer’s home who share in the work and leisure activities, are treated as one of the family and aren’t charged for meals or accommodation (eg au pairs)

workers younger than school leaving age (usually 16)

higher and further education students on a work placement up to 1 year

workers on government pre-apprenticeships schemes

people on the following European Union programmes: Leonardo da Vinci, Youth in Action, Erasmus, Comenius

people working on a Jobcentre Plus Work trial for 6 weeks

members of the armed forces

share fishermen

prisoners

people living and working in a religious community"

Lets give them a chance to prove us wrong, they may have access to info that only UKIPpers know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Plus: Isn't UKIP a party essentially funded by one billionaire and fronted by an ex-banker?

Sure I heard that somewhere.

If it's true ... I know who they'll be looking out for if they get into power.

It won't be us.

Does look that way according to Channel4

That still sounds pretty bad. Rich people looking after themselves and each other - not us.

And all this ex-Tory malarkey ... do you really think their outlook has changed?

Same people, different disguise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We British wonder how the German people sleepwalked into a NAZI dictatorship in the 1930s.

Look at UKIP and how Farage is seducing those who are feeling disenfranchised and you have your answer."
most pathetic quote of the thread

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over a year ago

"It seems to me that a lot of people supporting UKIP have no idea what their policies actually are.

Seems a lot of members and even the leader of UKIP have no idea what their policies are!

Also seems that a lot of people are unaware that benefits are not paid out to non UK nationals on arrival in the UK, and while I agree that system needs further tightening, currently the only one's who get housing and benefits from day one are the NON EU migrants seeking political asylum etc. that is a humanitarian gift from our country that is sometimes abused but in my _iew it is not wrong to aid those in genuine need."
Yes mostly 20 stone nigerians turning up in sports direct shite and occupying whole blocks of flats,driving cars given to them (4500) grant with a free flat...free mobile phone free fuel free housing...the only thing we dont give them is directions to the job centre,no wonder the country is sitting up and listening

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over a year ago

I put up original subject...cant believe response...me? voting ukip why racist no...anti European slightly...then why...because no one is listening to the majority...I want borders..land sea and air real borders people cannot enter as they wish...sanctuary yes...we are british after all....but if the government allows schools ,colleges,on pretence of being for foreign students and this has now become widespread throughout our country well then we are now listening to a party who says they will stop this...they listen...and farage for all his failings..yes he has them....listen to his questions direct to the European president....he asks the things we want to know....youtube watch him then judge him....

watch

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"It seems to me that a lot of people supporting UKIP have no idea what their policies actually are.

Seems a lot of members and even the leader of UKIP have no idea what their policies are!

Also seems that a lot of people are unaware that benefits are not paid out to non UK nationals on arrival in the UK, and while I agree that system needs further tightening, currently the only one's who get housing and benefits from day one are the NON EU migrants seeking political asylum etc. that is a humanitarian gift from our country that is sometimes abused but in my _iew it is not wrong to aid those in genuine need.Yes mostly 20 stone nigerians turning up in sports direct shite and occupying whole blocks of flats,driving cars given to them (4500) grant with a free flat...free mobile phone free fuel free housing...the only thing we dont give them is directions to the job centre,no wonder the country is sitting up and listening "

I used to volunteer for a charity, where a section of their work dealt with people seeking asylum. Although I didn't deal with that section myself.

One family came in to get help (because they aren't entitled to government help unless asylum is granted), the mother along with her son (about 10) and daughter (about 5) and the son was carrying around this big bin liner.

I asked one of the staff why he had brought this big bag to the inter_iew and she said the all the family's belongings were in the bag and the boy was carting it around as they moved from place to place.

So I don't know who moves here and automatically gets benefits, but I know that a lot of people don't. Those who don't, rely on charities to provide housing, food and essential items.

But that story doesn't quite stir up as much vilification and animosity as big black men kitted out in sports gear and frightening pedestrians with their engines.

Can someone post the link to where I can get free housing, sports clothes (I could use some new trainers) a new car, free petrol and a free phone. Post the link and I'll apply too.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"I put up original subject...cant believe response...me? voting ukip why racist no...anti European slightly...then why...because no one is listening to the majority...I want borders..land sea and air real borders people cannot enter as they wish...sanctuary yes...we are british after all....but if the government allows schools ,colleges,on pretence of being for foreign students and this has now become widespread throughout our country well then we are now listening to a party who says they will stop this...they listen...and farage for all his failings..yes he has them....listen to his questions direct to the European president....he asks the things we want to know....youtube watch him then judge him....

watch"

Ok so how does this fit... Farage and Co have as much chance of winning the next election as Nick Clegg - ie none.

If you and others vote for Farage because you want out of Europe then you categorically won't get it because you will get Milliband and the Liberals in a coalition government and no chance of anything other than a bankrupt country in five years time. Only by voting conservative will you get a say on Europe.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"It seems to me that a lot of people supporting UKIP have no idea what their policies actually are.

Seems a lot of members and even the leader of UKIP have no idea what their policies are!

Also seems that a lot of people are unaware that benefits are not paid out to non UK nationals on arrival in the UK, and while I agree that system needs further tightening, currently the only one's who get housing and benefits from day one are the NON EU migrants seeking political asylum etc. that is a humanitarian gift from our country that is sometimes abused but in my _iew it is not wrong to aid those in genuine need.Yes mostly 20 stone nigerians turning up in sports direct shite and occupying whole blocks of flats,driving cars given to them (4500) grant with a free flat...free mobile phone free fuel free housing...the only thing we dont give them is directions to the job centre,no wonder the country is sitting up and listening "

Try reading the facts about asylum seekers. It is far more sobering than the urban myths that get shared on social media.

Try here for a start - http://www.unhcr.org.uk/about-us/the-uk-and-asylum.html

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over a year ago

North West

"It seems to me that a lot of people supporting UKIP have no idea what their policies actually are.

Seems a lot of members and even the leader of UKIP have no idea what their policies are!

Also seems that a lot of people are unaware that benefits are not paid out to non UK nationals on arrival in the UK, and while I agree that system needs further tightening, currently the only one's who get housing and benefits from day one are the NON EU migrants seeking political asylum etc. that is a humanitarian gift from our country that is sometimes abused but in my _iew it is not wrong to aid those in genuine need.Yes mostly 20 stone nigerians turning up in sports direct shite and occupying whole blocks of flats,driving cars given to them (4500) grant with a free flat...free mobile phone free fuel free housing...the only thing we dont give them is directions to the job centre,no wonder the country is sitting up and listening

I used to volunteer for a charity, where a section of their work dealt with people seeking asylum. Although I didn't deal with that section myself.

So I don't know who moves here and automatically gets benefits, but I know that a lot of people don't. Those who don't, rely on charities to provide housing, food and essential items.

But that story doesn't quite stir up as much vilification and animosity as big black men kitted out in sports gear and frightening pedestrians with their engines.

Can someone post the link to where I can get free housing, sports clothes (I could use some new trainers) a new car, free petrol and a free phone. Post the link and I'll apply too. "

Like most anti immigrant propaganda it is an urban myth and designed purely to stoke up division and hatred.

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over a year ago

manchester & NI

Like most anti immigrant propaganda it is an urban myth and designed purely to stoke up division and hatred."

So no new trainers?

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over a year ago

"It seems to me that a lot of people supporting UKIP have no idea what their policies actually are.

Seems a lot of members and even the leader of UKIP have no idea what their policies are!

Also seems that a lot of people are unaware that benefits are not paid out to non UK nationals on arrival in the UK, and while I agree that system needs further tightening, currently the only one's who get housing and benefits from day one are the NON EU migrants seeking political asylum etc. that is a humanitarian gift from our country that is sometimes abused but in my _iew it is not wrong to aid those in genuine need.Yes mostly 20 stone nigerians turning up in sports direct shite and occupying whole blocks of flats,driving cars given to them (4500) grant with a free flat...free mobile phone free fuel free housing...the only thing we dont give them is directions to the job centre,no wonder the country is sitting up and listening

Try reading the facts about asylum seekers. It is far more sobering than the urban myths that get shared on social media.

Try here for a start - http://www.unhcr.org.uk/about-us/the-uk-and-asylum.html "
Thanks but we dont need to read about it when we can see it all around the north east

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"It seems to me that a lot of people supporting UKIP have no idea what their policies actually are.

Seems a lot of members and even the leader of UKIP have no idea what their policies are!

Also seems that a lot of people are unaware that benefits are not paid out to non UK nationals on arrival in the UK, and while I agree that system needs further tightening, currently the only one's who get housing and benefits from day one are the NON EU migrants seeking political asylum etc. that is a humanitarian gift from our country that is sometimes abused but in my _iew it is not wrong to aid those in genuine need.Yes mostly 20 stone nigerians turning up in sports direct shite and occupying whole blocks of flats,driving cars given to them (4500) grant with a free flat...free mobile phone free fuel free housing...the only thing we dont give them is directions to the job centre,no wonder the country is sitting up and listening

Try reading the facts about asylum seekers. It is far more sobering than the urban myths that get shared on social media.

Try here for a start - http://www.unhcr.org.uk/about-us/the-uk-and-asylum.html Thanks but we dont need to read about it when we can see it all around the north east "

Nothing that you mentioned above is factual, not even remotely.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Yes mostly 20 stone nigerians turning up in sports direct shite and occupying whole blocks of flats,driving cars given to them (4500) grant with a free flat...free mobile phone free fuel free housing...the only thing we dont give them is directions to the job centre,no wonder the country is sitting up and listening "

clearly you and ukip are suited to ach other if you have swallowed that ..

ffs please..

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over a year ago

"Were people also aware that companies do NOT have to pay minimum wage to, for example, Polish workers? So who will they employ to do the most mundane jobs?

Not true:- the list from the government website has no mention of country of origin:-

Not entitled to the minimum wage

The following types of workers aren’t entitled to the minimum wage:

self-employed people running their own business

company directors

volunteers or voluntary workers

workers on a government employment programme, eg the Work Programme

family members of the employer living in the employer’s home

non-family members living in the employer’s home who share in the work and leisure activities, are treated as one of the family and aren’t charged for meals or accommodation (eg au pairs)

workers younger than school leaving age (usually 16)

higher and further education students on a work placement up to 1 year

workers on government pre-apprenticeships schemes

people on the following European Union programmes: Leonardo da Vinci, Youth in Action, Erasmus, Comenius

people working on a Jobcentre Plus Work trial for 6 weeks

members of the armed forces

share fishermen

prisoners

people living and working in a religious community"

Apologies. I was only quoting Shirley Williams on an episode of Question Time. Guess all those from the EU working in hotels, catering etc. ARE getting minimum wage??????

Get real

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over a year ago

"Were people also aware that companies do NOT have to pay minimum wage to, for example, Polish workers? So who will they employ to do the most mundane jobs?

Not true:- the list from the government website has no mention of country of origin:-

Not entitled to the minimum wage

The following types of workers aren’t entitled to the minimum wage:

self-employed people running their own business

company directors

volunteers or voluntary workers

workers on a government employment programme, eg the Work Programme

family members of the employer living in the employer’s home

non-family members living in the employer’s home who share in the work and leisure activities, are treated as one of the family and aren’t charged for meals or accommodation (eg au pairs)

workers younger than school leaving age (usually 16)

higher and further education students on a work placement up to 1 year

workers on government pre-apprenticeships schemes

people on the following European Union programmes: Leonardo da Vinci, Youth in Action, Erasmus, Comenius

people working on a Jobcentre Plus Work trial for 6 weeks

members of the armed forces

share fishermen

prisoners

people living and working in a religious community

Lets give them a chance to prove us wrong, they may have access to info that only UKIPpers know

Think this poster was quoting legislation relating to British people. Hence why Baroness Williams (formerly Labour MP and SDP co-founder) could confirm that people from Eastern Europe etc. COULD be paid less than the minimum wage.

If you can disprove what SHE said - not me - then please do so

Finally, I am not a UKIP supp orter

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over a year ago

"It seems to me that a lot of people supporting UKIP have no idea what their policies actually are.

Seems a lot of members and even the leader of UKIP have no idea what their policies are!

Also seems that a lot of people are unaware that benefits are not paid out to non UK nationals on arrival in the UK, and while I agree that system needs further tightening, currently the only one's who get housing and benefits from day one are the NON EU migrants seeking political asylum etc. that is a humanitarian gift from our country that is sometimes abused but in my _iew it is not wrong to aid those in genuine need.Yes mostly 20 stone nigerians turning up in sports direct shite and occupying whole blocks of flats,driving cars given to them (4500) grant with a free flat...free mobile phone free fuel free housing...the only thing we dont give them is directions to the job centre,no wonder the country is sitting up and listening

Try reading the facts about asylum seekers. It is far more sobering than the urban myths that get shared on social media.

Try here for a start - http://www.unhcr.org.uk/about-us/the-uk-and-asylum.html Thanks but we dont need to read about it when we can see it all around the north east

Nothing that you mentioned above is factual, not even remotely."
That being your opinion no doubt whereas we see it.

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over a year ago

clearly you and ukip are suited to ach other if you have swallowed that ..

ffs please.."
ffs please,you yourselves should open your eyes,the problem has been created through crap governments and its time for change.

We could be suited to the monster raving loony party and we dont give a flying fuck if you think were gullible for choosing a certain political party

as it is freedom of choice....fuck me some people voted for the green party at one time!!!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

clearly you and ukip are suited to ach other if you have swallowed that ..

ffs please..ffs please,you yourselves should open your eyes,the problem has been created through crap governments and its time for change.

We could be suited to the monster raving loony party and we dont give a flying fuck if you think were gullible for choosing a certain political party

as it is freedom of choice....fuck me some people voted for the green party at one time!!!"

my eyes are well and truly open ta having worked in area's of south east London you tend to see all social strata and your analogy is alien and not in keeping with the clamp down everyone has seen to the benefits system by the present lot..

sometimes its far easier to swallow one parties propaganda which especially that of the right has been shown time and time again to be fiction designed to provoke exactly such a response as is seen on here..

bloody ell its like we never had 'scroungers' who weren't white in this land which we did when I was growing up patently..

no need to mention the greens btw, wearing socks with sandals is too hard to visualise..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The OP from another thread on UKIP.

Still sits, still watches and still smiles.

Let the media do their work, they have probably been working night and day trying to come up with some sort of scandal about him. They aint found nothing yet.

And if they do, it wont be any worse than what member of the Tories, Labour or the other insignificant lot get up to.

Sits, watches and smiles

You really have to ask yourself.............Whats the other option?..Milliband?..limper than Clegg or another round with the Tories skinning the working man while the rich get richer

Britain needs more parties and more choice

I did

That's why I joined UKIP"

...And me.

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over a year ago

"Think this poster was quoting legislation relating to British people. Hence why Baroness Williams (formerly Labour MP and SDP co-founder) could confirm that people from Eastern Europe etc. COULD be paid less than the minimum wage.

If you can disprove what SHE said - not me - then please do so

Finally, I am not a UKIP supp orter

What she said was the fine imposed on employers found to be paying migrant workers below minimum wage was to low, not that they were allowed to be paid lower wages.

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over a year ago

"Whats the other option?.. Milliband?..limper than Clegg or another round with the Tories skinning the working man while the rich get richer

Britain needs more parties and more choice

I did

That's why I joined UKIP"

If you feel that the "Tories skinning the working man while the rich get richer" how does that relate to then joining a party which is the equivalent of Tories on acid and speed?

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

If Clegg is so useless then why are UKIP stealing the Lib Dem tax policy for low income earners?

Labour might be useless but I did like them trying to tackle the housing rental market to give more rights to tenants.

Home security is a big issue and I'd rather have parties that actually try to tackle specific issues rather than speaking in the abstract.

The media campaign against all politicians is tough - UKIP shouldn't and won't get any special treatment, no matter how precious they are about it.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Whats the other option?.. Milliband?..limper than Clegg or another round with the Tories skinning the working man while the rich get richer

Britain needs more parties and more choice

I did

That's why I joined UKIP

If you feel that the "Tories skinning the working man while the rich get richer" how does that relate to then joining a party which is the equivalent of Tories on acid and speed? "

I know, 2 tax cuts to the top rates obviously doesn't qualify as helping the rich get richer.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

If you can disprove what SHE said - not me - then please do so

Finally, I am not a UKIP supp orter

What she said was the fine imposed on employers found to be paying migrant workers below minimum wage was to low, not that they were allowed to be paid lower wages."

Thanks for clearing that up.

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over a year ago

"Whats the other option?.. Milliband?..limper than Clegg or another round with the Tories skinning the working man while the rich get richer

Britain needs more parties and more choice

I did

That's why I joined UKIP

If you feel that the "Tories skinning the working man while the rich get richer" how does that relate to then joining a party which is the equivalent of Tories on acid and speed? "

Yep, there's some incredible blindness out there!!

But Britain badly needs a new political party that actually gives a shit about the people ........ but isn't the whole purpose of the house of lords to stop that ever happening?

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over a year ago

Right Wing Parties, always get an influx of support during tough times. The right try and charm people and tell them everything they want to hear, they prey On the dissolutioned. Once they get any power they will drop people from a great height. What is happening in Europe right now with the right wing parties is similar of the 1930's. Hitler had is supporters the SA made up of thugs and not to bright people, once he got in he had them rounded up and killed. Farage will backstab the everyday people who vote for him if he gets power and just back the rich. For the record he won't kill you but, will make life a lot worse.

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over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Right Wing Parties, always get an influx of support during tough times. The right try and charm people and tell them everything they want to hear, they prey On the dissolutioned. Once they get any power they will drop people from a great height. What is happening in Europe right now with the right wing parties is similar of the 1930's. Hitler had is supporters the SA made up of thugs and not to bright people, once he got in he had them rounded up and killed. Farage will backstab the everyday people who vote for him if he gets power and just back the rich. For the record he won't kill you but, will make life a lot worse."

It's the politics of blame.

And some people have a serious persecution mania.

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over a year ago

Cameron has stated if you vote for ukip you will end up with Labour. To a degree he is right - they are more a threats to the Tories. Also - Farage wants a Labour Government. If the Tories win the election and have an in/out referendum UKIP is defunct. If Labour win the election he has a cause to continue fighting. If the Tories win the election and the public vote to leave the EU then UKIP will loose 90% of its funding - most of which comes from the MEP seats they hold.

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

Didn't Stalin and Chairman Mao do something very similar???

Oh no, that cant be right, they were Left wing

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over a year ago

Didn't Stalin and Chairman Mao do something very similar???

Oh no, that cant be right, they were Left wing

No one voted in Stalin or Mao.

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

"Cameron has stated if you vote for ukip you will end up with Labour. To a degree he is right - they are more a threats to the Tories. Also - Farage wants a Labour Government. If the Tories win the election and have an in/out referendum UKIP is defunct. If Labour win the election he has a cause to continue fighting. If the Tories win the election and the public vote to leave the EU then UKIP will loose 90% of its funding - most of which comes from the MEP seats they hold."

At least they will give me what I want.

A VOTE ON EUROPE

If its a yes, we stay in it, so be it, I will abide by the majority of the electorate.

If its a no, and we leave. I will be a happy man.

Sits, watches, smiles

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Didn't Stalin and Chairman Mao do something very similar???

Oh no, that cant be right, they were Left wing

Do 2 wrongs make a right?

Are you denying that the politics of fear is largely responsible for the Nazi party rise in the 30's?

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over a year ago

At least they will give me what I want.

A VOTE ON EUROPE

If its a yes, we stay in it, so be it, I will abide by the majority of the electorate

If its a no, and we leave. I will be a happy man.

Sits, watches, smiles"

Even Lord Sudge could organise a referendum on Europe - & then sit, watch & smile a how many idiots voted for him!!

& I totally disagree with an above poster - ukip are far right & it's incredible how you believe that they will side with Labour!!!

A further right Tory party is on the horizon, I'm afraid, - Labour & the majority of the masses are f*^×£d!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What!

Of course the Nazi's used fear to get into power, I never argued against that point.

The far left communist parties where horrid too, just stating no one actually voted for them, when Hitler was elected then became a dictator.

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

"What!

Of course the Nazi's used fear to get into power, I never argued against that point.

The far left communist parties where horrid too, just stating no one actually voted for them, when Hitler was elected then became a dictator."

No, but it sort of knocks the gonads out of your first statement that its only right wing political movements are mass murderers

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"For the last 100 years the establishment more or less has been a 2 party system....the reason why they are panicking is that he is a real and viable threat to the very foundation of british politics....I have been annoyed by the press and tv for attempting to discredit this Man......particularly the BBC.

I may not hold all of their tentative policies but I think its time for radical change .

The BBC has become something of a joke now, for years they have been bias in their reporting of the Israel/palestine conflict, and now this year they were bias in the Scottish referendum campaign on side of the No vote, which saw big demonstrations outside BBC hq in scotland. Fair and balanced news reporting are not words i associate with the BBC. The Panorama programme about Farage the other night was a joke and as UKIP put it...."another bias hatchet job by the BBC". Its a disgrace we are all forced to pay for their crap through the tv licence. Would much prefer a BBC subscription service so i could opt out of having it.

As for UKIP, ....Labour and the Tories have already tried with the name calling and smear campaigns and it has not worked. UKIP have still continued to rise in opinion polls. The way people get their news is changing, and a lot more people are less inclined to listen to the established media of tv news channels and the newspapers. More people are turning to social media and the internet now so the bias BBC influence is diminishing as time goes by.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

At least they will give me what I want.

A VOTE ON EUROPE

If its a yes, we stay in it, so be it, I will abide by the majority of the electorate.

If its a no, and we leave. I will be a happy man.

Sits, watches, smiles"

if Turkeys could vote they would probably abolish Christmas..

why would a party founded on the idea of leaving Europe ever (if they had any say in it which lets be honest here wont happen)vote to leave that which they are dependent on and is their only

goal..

yep, done that now were all off that gravy train lets find a job..

oops..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

I may not hold all of their tentative policies but I think its time for radical change .

Sky and the web are hardly bastions of the unbiased either..

easy for ukip to accuse the bbc of bias than actually debate the salient points made..

that's politics, demonise the messenger then duck the issue..

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

At least they will give me what I want.

A VOTE ON EUROPE

If its a yes, we stay in it, so be it, I will abide by the majority of the electorate.

If its a no, and we leave. I will be a happy man.

Sits, watches, smiles

if Turkeys could vote they would probably abolish Christmas..

why would a party founded on the idea of leaving Europe ever (if they had any say in it which lets be honest here wont happen)vote to leave that which they are dependent on and is their only

goal..

yep, done that now were all off that gravy train lets find a job..

oops.."

Farage has put it on record that he would like to see all MEP's in the EU and brussels fired. I happen to agree with him. Yes some UKIP MEP's would be out of a job, but some maybe MP's in the house of commons by then. Most of UKIP's MEP's already had ordinary jobs before they became MEP's anyway unlike a lot of the Labour and Tory career politicians.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Makes my skin crawl

But then again, so do Cameron, Clegg and Milliband

Bring back Churchill

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over a year ago

"Makes my skin crawl

But then again, so do Cameron, Clegg and Milliband

Bring back Churchill

If nothing else, he'd fit in well with all the other nodding dogs in the Houses of Parliament

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

At least they will give me what I want.

A VOTE ON EUROPE

If its a yes, we stay in it, so be it, I will abide by the majority of the electorate.

If its a no, and we leave. I will be a happy man.

Sits, watches, smiles

if Turkeys could vote they would probably abolish Christmas..

why would a party founded on the idea of leaving Europe ever (if they had any say in it which lets be honest here wont happen)vote to leave that which they are dependent on and is their only

goal..

yep, done that now were all off that gravy train lets find a job..

oops..

I don't think he will ever have to stand by that in all honesty, its typical of the political class to say this and that and when push comes to shove they usually seem to find a way to dodge it..

the EU needs major reform and a big overhaul but its possibly unlikely to happen..

ukip are no different in whom they attract as their representatives to the rest of them, there will be some as you say with other jobs prior to and there will be some for whom a 'political career' was a choice they could afford at 6th form ..

the political career for the record is not one I agree with..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ALL politians are lazy,lying low lifes - never voted,never will.

It's all a con !

One party blames another for the national debt & it's utter bullshit if you want the truth about it all watch this & wise up & invest smartly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0In my opinion if you dont vote its a crime and if you really do not vote then your point of _iew is immaterial and not worth consideration"

don't vote=no valid opinion

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over a year ago

At least they will give me what I want.

A VOTE ON EUROPE

If its a yes, we stay in it, so be it, I will abide by the majority of the electorate.

If its a no, and we leave. I will be a happy man.

Sits, watches, smiles

if Turkeys could vote they would probably abolish Christmas..

why would a party founded on the idea of leaving Europe ever (if they had any say in it which lets be honest here wont happen)vote to leave that which they are dependent on and is their only

goal..

yep, done that now were all off that gravy train lets find a job..

oops..

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By *y2funMan
over a year ago

DUDLEY

C%$T................

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like the man in a (political) way.

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over a year ago

I may not hold all of their tentative policies but I think its time for radical change .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Farage isn't interested in UKIP - he is only interested in himself !! Look at how many UKIP MEPs have disagreed with him and then been sacked or replaced. It we be interesting to see how long he and Carswell get along.

I am not saying UKIP are siding with Labour. Iam saying that a Labour election win will be the best outcome for UKIP. He will be able to rant on and line his own pockets for another 5 years.

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By *etitmortCouple
over a year ago

ipswich

For quite some time there has been a huge shit slinging contest by other politicians and the media. Ukip has been attacked by all and sundry and many lies and pieces of mis information have been bandied about so that people repeat the accusations without knowing the facts.

Despite all this, support continues to grow . This country has been crying out for political earthquake and the media and establishment are shitting themselves at the success of Ukip.

With the SNP doing quite well at Labours expense I think the next election will open up some very interesting odds at the bookies!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Didn't Stalin and Chairman Mao do something very similar???

Oh no, that cant be right, they were Left wing

There is an interesting theory which shows that the political spectrum from far left to far right on a straight line is misleading. It is argue that a better way of looking at it is as a circle which isnt quite joined at the bottom. In this analysis the far right and far left groups are actually quite closely alligned. An interesting way of looking at things and when you think of Hitler and Stalin maybe a more appropriate way of _iewing the polticial spectrum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Left Wing, Right Wing, Christian, Muslim, nothing wrong with any of them until you get fundamental or extreme in front of the phrase.

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over a year ago

As if I didn't dislike them enough already for their misogyny and racism, I read their manifesto yesterday - apparently they'd quite like to do away with the restrictions on doctors hours. So potentially we could return to the days of so called 'full shifts' where you did a 12 hour shift, then a night on call (where you invariably didn't get any sleep) followed by a 12 hour shift the next day!

I wouldn't want my relatives lives in the hands of someone awake and working solidly for 36 hours! The European Working time directive has saved lives and these muppets don't see it.

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

"As if I didn't dislike them enough already for their misogyny and racism, I read their manifesto yesterday - apparently they'd quite like to do away with the restrictions on doctors hours. So potentially we could return to the days of so called 'full shifts' where you did a 12 hour shift, then a night on call (where you invariably didn't get any sleep) followed by a 12 hour shift the next day!

I wouldn't want my relatives lives in the hands of someone awake and working solidly for 36 hours! The European Working time directive has saved lives and these muppets don't see it.

The European working time directive is a farce, and isn't worth the paper its written on, all employers / employees have to do is sign a piece of paper to say you are willing to work extra hours, ask anyone in the Construction industry that.

No one can be forced to work any longer than 12 hours with a 12 hour rest in-between shifts, if they don't want to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The OP from another thread on UKIP.

Still sits, still watches and still smiles.

Let the media do their work, they have probably been working night and day trying to come up with some sort of scandal about him. They aint found nothing yet.

And if they do, it wont be any worse than what member of the Tories, Labour or the other insignificant lot get up to.

Sits, watches and smiles

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Farage isn't interested in UKIP - he is only interested in himself !! Look at how many UKIP MEPs have disagreed with him and then been sacked or replaced. It we be interesting to see how long he and Carswell get along.

I am not saying UKIP are siding with Labour. Iam saying that a Labour election win will be the best outcome for UKIP. He will be able to rant on and line his own pockets for another 5 years."

Get real, UKIP. and Labour. would never side together. UKIP. (right wing) and Labour. (left wing) on the political divide.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

..growing up in the east end of London in reply to those who made claims of labours housing efforts,,,during late 60s 70s I watch the labour gov tear down thousands of dwellings on the lie of it all being slum dwellings....so nice last weekend on the isle of wightthen till recent continous conservative ran....Edwardian,victorian,georgian,20s 30s 40s 50s 60s never touched restored and loved...always having mass unemployment there....life a struggle for most...even now....labour my arse in London if a borough gets the right vote..e.14 first then newham,now Dagenham.....they move in thousands of black ethnic voters to maintain power wake up to what labour does....which is nothing but talk and spend your money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not saying UKIP are siding with Labour. Iam saying that a Labour election win will be the best outcome for UKIP. He will be able to rant on and line his own pockets for another 5 years.

Get real, UKIP. and Labour. would never side together. UKIP. (right wing) and Labour. (left wing) on the political divide."

You don't seems to get it. I will repeat .... I am not saying that UKIP are siding with Labour !!!

But a Labour Government will incease UKIP support and money. A Tory government that gave an in/out referendum would kill UKIP off. UKIP will never side with Labour but that doesn't mean a Labour Government wouldn't be in there best interests!!! Simples

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not saying UKIP are siding with Labour. Iam saying that a Labour election win will be the best outcome for UKIP. He will be able to rant on and line his own pockets for another 5 years.

Get real, UKIP. and Labour. would never side together. UKIP. (right wing) and Labour. (left wing) on the political divide.

You don't seems to get it. I will repeat .... I am not saying that UKIP are siding with Labour !!!

A, Labour. government, will increase the, UKIP. support? i'm scratching my head to try and work that 1 out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unlike the Tories, Labour wont give us a referendum so a lot of momentum wouldl switch to UKIP. A lot more euro sceptics within the Tory party would switch allegiance - many are already tempted to but dont because Cameron has promised a referendum. They would get a lot more funding from disillusioned Tory donors. Plus - they would clean up in the next Euro Elections - more money!!!

Just simple logic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't want my relatives lives in the hands of someone awake and working solidly for 36 hours! The European Working time directive has saved lives and these muppets don't see it.

No one can be forced to work any longer than 12 hours with a 12 hour rest in-between shifts, if they don't want to. "

Yes but the point is that the EWTD protects your right to say NO I'm not working excessive hours this week, a sensible move when you're responsible for people's lives. Without it, you haven't got a leg to stand on and we could have a return to the shift patterns I mentioned (which used to be common in the NHS). It's all about employees rights.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Be Careful what you wish for ? The left hate Farage Fact ! But why ? because Nick Grithin no longer matters ! Who would you rather have on the right ? Don't say they are the same because they ain't ! If anyone deserves Credit for smashing the B N P it's Farage !

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By *ralbiswMan
over a year ago

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He is the next deputy PM. Him and Boris will be formidable.

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