FabSwingers.com forum: lingerie/discrimination

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

This is a debate I feel was an underlying issue from another thread, but being a plus size lady do you ever feel discriminated because of your size when it comes to.buying lingerie?

Unfortunately slimmer ladies can walk into any high street store and find absolutely stunningblingerie at very reasonable cost, where as larger ladies cant, even in stores designed for bigger ladies like evans and yours it isnt always reasonaly priced and definately no.where near as nice. This usually means to get something truely as gorgeous in a good fit too you have to really go down the route of custom made and its extortionate! My last custom made purchase was £149.99 it really shouldnt be this way just so we can feel as sexy as other slimmer women.

You could argue (quite validly) that I could loose weight or that to pay the cost is my choice, but what choice do I realy have if there isnt a cheaper alternative?. I have just as much right to look sexy in gorgeous lingerie as a slimmer woman and I shouldnt have to change myself if im happy with who I am in order to wear nice things. I really think.its a gap.in the market that needs addressing and I would hazard a guess Im not alone in feeling this way.

So your thoughts ........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think this qualifies as discrimination, but it is an inconvenience.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

as the population gets bigger, the prices may lower...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like all costs and prices, people charge what they can get away with paying. Don't think it's discrimination at all, just businesses taking the piss, as usual.

Do agree there's hardly anything pretty for larger sizes, I just tend to prefer to be naked tbh.

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

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I think the same can be said for many clothing items for men or women and shoes too.

The manufactures stock most of the quick selling sizes for tumover and profit and so it's harder to find larger or indeed smaller sizes sometimes in high street stores.

It's not really discrimination as they can choose their stock to benefit their cash flow.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I don't think this qualifies as discrimination, but it is an inconvenience. "

Well it kind of is afterall im having to pay more because of my size, it really shouldnt be that way its the same for clothes in generally if only there was a primani for big people

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

will the costs not be more in the production, more material, more time spent sewing

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think the same can be said for many clothing items for men or women and shoes too.

The manufactures stock most of the quick selling sizes for tumover and profit and so it's harder to find larger or indeed smaller sizes sometimes in high street stores.

It's not really discrimination as they can choose their stock to benefit their cash flow."

I do understand this however by that logic, the average UK size for women now is 16/18 so it would surely makevmore sense to increase stock in this sizes that equally as nice and the sheer fact is they dont but you xan always find an abindance of sizes 10/12/14

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"will the costs not be more in the production, more material, more time spent sewing"

Same reason why kids clothes cost less I suppose?

Unless your talking desinger shit or top make trainers

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"will the costs not be more in the production, more material, more time spent sewing"

Probably so but its and obvious growing market so I would say they would be able to fond a way to do.it affordably if they made the effort to wheres theres a will theres a way as they say

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By *inge 1985Man
over a year ago

London

I do not think it discrimination but they are catering for the majority of the market as it stands, if and when more "larger" ladies start buying things the market will change and manufacturing these products will become more common place bringing cost down and therefore bringing the sale cost down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think this qualifies as discrimination, but it is an inconvenience.

Well it kind of is afterall im having to pay more because of my size, it really shouldnt be that way its the same for clothes in generally if only there was a primani for big people "

I'm not sure you're using discrimination correctly. You're not having anything denied or being treated unfairly. There simply isn't enough of a market yet to justify mass production of specific sizes, which is an inconvenience. They aren't refusing to sell you anything due to your size, they just don't sell what you want. You can't force someone to create a business solely for you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"will the costs not be more in the production, more material, more time spent sewing

Same reason why kids clothes cost less I suppose?

Unless your talking desinger shit or top make trainers"

No tax on kids clothes, one advantage if being a size 3 in shoes is I don't have to pay tax on them.

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By *inge 1985Man
over a year ago

London

"I think the same can be said for many clothing items for men or women and shoes too.

The manufactures stock most of the quick selling sizes for tumover and profit and so it's harder to find larger or indeed smaller sizes sometimes in high street stores.

It's not really discrimination as they can choose their stock to benefit their cash flow."

I agree it is a case of catering for the masses and what sells more often.

It is considered (not buy myself) that certain sizes and shapes are more fashion and therefore spend more money on fashion, accessories ect...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I do not think it discrimination but they are catering for the majority of the market as it stands, if and when more "larger" ladies start buying things the market will change and manufacturing these products will become more common place bringing cost down and therefore bringing the sale cost down."

The thing is us larger ladies are wanting to buy these things we cant if the arent available unless were willing to pay to dollar im sure most cant afford £100+ to impulsly treat ourseleves but we have to pay this if we want it as theres no.effort being made to change it

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

It gives that incentive to lose weight to improve your choice, save money and better health.

no offence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think this qualifies as discrimination, but it is an inconvenience.

Well it kind of is afterall im having to pay more because of my size, it really shouldnt be that way its the same for clothes in generally if only there was a primani for big people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure you're looking in the right places. There's several Polish websites that cater for unusual sizes which are cheaper. Bravissimo isn't that expensive either. You don't have to shop at Rigby & Peller...

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By *inge 1985Man
over a year ago

London

Quite a few shops will stock larger sizes, not on their shop shelves but on their website for mail order.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It gives that incentive to lose weight to improve your choice, save money and better health.

no offence"

No offence taken as Im happy with my size and who I am why should I have to change my physical apperance just to have nice things?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

It gives that incentive to lose weight to improve your choice, save money and better health.

no offence

No offence taken as Im happy with my size and who I am why should I have to change my physical apperance just to have nice things? "

why do single guys pay more in clubs

just because that is the way it is

mass markets

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Quite a few shops will stock larger sizes, not on their shop shelves but on their website for mail order."

fair point, Yes they do, but nine out of ten times i end up sending it back and exchanging it for being poorly sized which is more pisding about than going into a shop and trying it on quickly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It gives that incentive to lose weight to improve your choice, save money and better health.

no offence

No offence taken as Im happy with my size and who I am why should I have to change my physical apperance just to have nice things? "

You're expecting others to change to suit your requirements, which is equivalent to them expecting you to change. A luxury such as lingerie is not a right...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It gives that incentive to lose weight to improve your choice, save money and better health.

no offence

No offence taken as Im happy with my size and who I am why should I have to change my physical apperance just to have nice things?

You're expecting others to change to suit your requirements, which is equivalent to them expecting you to change. A luxury such as lingerie is not a right..."

Quite right it is a luxury, its a shame its one that no one seems to care needs to be catered for for bigger people is what im saying. I am not demanding businesses change im merely saying i wish and would like them to. I am entitled to that opinion.

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By *inge 1985Man
over a year ago

London

Quite a few shops will stock larger sizes, not on their shop shelves but on their website for mail order.

fair point, Yes they do, but nine out of ten times i end up sending it back and exchanging it for being poorly sized which is more pisding about than going into a shop and trying it on quickly "

So the options are there but just less convenience

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You're expecting others to change to suit your requirements, which is equivalent to them expecting you to change. A luxury such as lingerie is not a right...

Yes but you're not entitled to call something discrimination when it's clearly not. It belittles actual cases of prejudicial treatment.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Quite a few shops will stock larger sizes, not on their shop shelves but on their website for mail order.

fair point, Yes they do, but nine out of ten times i end up sending it back and exchanging it for being poorly sized which is more pisding about than going into a shop and trying it on quickly

So the options are there but just less convenience"

Why shouldnt I beable to have the same convience on my high street though thats the point im trying to make. its same for bigger blokes jacamo is a right rip off!

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By *adybee77Woman
over a year ago

MAMOBA, miles and miles of bugger all (Aberdeenshire)

I have been both ends of the spectrum - being a 24/26 and a 48GG bra, and now down to a 10/12 and a 32DD - I now really struggle to find bras that fit - way more than I did as a bigger lass.

There is more choice in clothes for slimmer people, but a lot of it is aimed at really young folk, and I don't wish to be mutton dressed as lamb...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You're expecting others to change to suit your requirements, which is equivalent to them expecting you to change. A luxury such as lingerie is not a right...

Yes but you're not entitled to call something discrimination when it's clearly not. It belittles actual cases of prejudicial treatment. "

I said its feels a form of discrimination on a size issue not that it actually was. Maybe my title wasnt eloqent enough for you but it got attention and provoked the discussion on the subject, or what now seems and feels like a personal attack on me

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I have been both ends of the spectrum - being a 24/26 and a 48GG bra, and now down to a 10/12 and a 32DD - I now really struggle to find bras that fit - way more than I did as a bigger lass.

There is more choice in clothes for slimmer people, but a lot of it is aimed at really young folk, and I don't wish to be mutton dressed as lamb..."

But did you come across stuff on the high street when you were bigger that was as nice, fit well and reasonable or did you have to pay a little more for it?

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By *inge 1985Man
over a year ago

London

Quite a few shops will stock larger sizes, not on their shop shelves but on their website for mail order.

fair point, Yes they do, but nine out of ten times i end up sending it back and exchanging it for being poorly sized which is more pisding about than going into a shop and trying it on quickly

So the options are there but just less convenience

Why shouldnt I beable to have the same convience on my high street though thats the point im trying to make. its same for bigger blokes jacamo is a right rip off! "

It is not just for larger people, my torso and neck are of 2 different sizes, if I buy a shirt that fits my neck it is too large for the rest of my body, same with trousers I struggle to get a pair where the leg length is long enough for the size of my waist, I am not being discriminated against just I am not of the popular sizes so I have to shop around a little more and have things tailored to fit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You're expecting others to change to suit your requirements, which is equivalent to them expecting you to change. A luxury such as lingerie is not a right...

Yes but you're not entitled to call something discrimination when it's clearly not. It belittles actual cases of prejudicial treatment.

You replied to me saying it kind of is discrimination. I've not personally attacked you, but I do think it's a silly thing to consider discrimination and have repeatedly said so. It's not a question of eloquence, it's solely down to the word "discrimination" being thrown around with lightness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"will the costs not be more in the production, more material, more time spent sewing

Same reason why kids clothes cost less I suppose?

Unless your talking desinger shit or top make trainers"

There is no vat on children's clothing which is probably why it is slightly cheaper as well!

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By *elle_Oh_BelleWoman
over a year ago

London

I don't think it is discrimination and it does not matter how we think. It's purely supply and demand. There just isn't enough incentives for the big brands to focus on us plus sizes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Quite a few shops will stock larger sizes, not on their shop shelves but on their website for mail order.

fair point, Yes they do, but nine out of ten times i end up sending it back and exchanging it for being poorly sized which is more pisding about than going into a shop and trying it on quickly

So the options are there but just less convenience

Why shouldnt I beable to have the same convience on my high street though thats the point im trying to make. its same for bigger blokes jacamo is a right rip off!

Yes but dont you just wish there was a better way for you to get what you want more readily? I know I do but its sadly not set to change

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to look at this from the other side, it pisses me off that i have to pay the same for a piece of clothing in a size 8/10 as it does for a larger person in a 22/24 who gets twice the amount of material. I subsidise the larger lady every time i shop.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A fuller figure requires better support and better design to make the most of those fabulous curves.

lingerie that compliments ladies with assets worth showing off tends to be of a better quality and so costs more.

You're worth it.

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By *adybee77Woman
over a year ago

MAMOBA, miles and miles of bugger all (Aberdeenshire)

"I have been both ends of the spectrum - being a 24/26 and a 48GG bra, and now down to a 10/12 and a 32DD - I now really struggle to find bras that fit - way more than I did as a bigger lass.

There is more choice in clothes for slimmer people, but a lot of it is aimed at really young folk, and I don't wish to be mutton dressed as lamb...

But did you come across stuff on the high street when you were bigger that was as nice, fit well and reasonable or did you have to pay a little more for it? "

Yes, I found stuff on the high street that I liked, and was often commented on how well I was dressed. Many people didn't believe my size as I always looked so well presented. I'd expect to pay a bit more for it to be honest. I can now fit both legs into the leg on one of my old jeans - simple maths - double the material being used increases prices, and also less people shop for clothes in that size so they are more specialised items. Its also things like transport lorries can carry less in larger sizes than they do of smaller, so all costs of delivery, manufacture etc are increased. That has to be paid for somewhere... or do you think its fair that those costs have to be balanced over the whole range? I know as a big lass, I never expected to be able to shop in many of the high street stores - it was my fault I got big.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just to look at this from the other side, it pisses me off that i have to pay the same for a piece of clothing in a size 8/10 as it does for a larger person in a 22/24 who gets twice the amount of material. I subsidise the larger lady every time i shop. "

Wow would you say that about someone who had bigger feet than you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow would you say that about someone who had bigger feet than you? "

You are born with the feet you have. And therein lies the difference.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I shop around and I don't have an issue getting pretty clothes to fit me. It's all about research etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow would you say that about someone who had bigger feet than you?

You are born with the feet you have. And therein lies the difference."

Ah right silly me..

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"I shop around and I don't have an issue getting pretty clothes to fit me. It's all about research etc.

Plus I like to be naked so not bothered about lingerie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I shop around and I don't have an issue getting pretty clothes to fit me. It's all about research etc.

Plus I like to be naked so not bothered about lingerie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I shop around and I don't have an issue getting pretty clothes to fit me. It's all about research etc.

Plus I like to be naked so not bothered about lingerie

Now there's an image that I'm glad popped into my head today

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I have been both ends of the spectrum - being a 24/26 and a 48GG bra, and now down to a 10/12 and a 32DD - I now really struggle to find bras that fit - way more than I did as a bigger lass.

There is more choice in clothes for slimmer people, but a lot of it is aimed at really young folk, and I don't wish to be mutton dressed as lamb...

But did you come across stuff on the high street when you were bigger that was as nice, fit well and reasonable or did you have to pay a little more for it?

Just wish I could find it my biggest problem is im a 18/20 waist (easily found) but 26/28 for my bust its a nightmare, I really do struggle

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I'm slim, but struggle to get nice bras that fit.

Pops off to google self-inflicted injury

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"I shop around and I don't have an issue getting pretty clothes to fit me. It's all about research etc.

Plus I like to be naked so not bothered about lingerie

Now there's an image that I'm glad popped into my head today

Aww thanks

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I prefer naked, lippy and Chanel darling

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Because of how frustrating I find this issue im currently training to be a seemtress so i can cut it all out and make stuff of my own design id rather faff that way and get something that fits well and looks great than risk chamce online shopping.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its exactly the same for guys. I hate boxers I find them really uncomfortable. But because Im a 48 waist I can forget anything fancy from love honey or bondara, forget tesco, asda etc I have to go to a specialist for big guys were Im offered a choice of boxers or 1 set of very unflattering briefs at a far higher price than anywere else

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I prefer naked, lippy and Chanel darling

I'll let you do the wearing of those and I'll leave my lippy and Chanel at home then xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"will the costs not be more in the production, more material, more time spent sewing"

not sure if it applies to large quantities but fabric is paid for by the half metre anywhere I've shopped. Don't know how they cost from a roll of fabric per size. When I've bought lingerie online 18+ sizes are a pound or two dearer. Not sure if they reinforce the bras

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I only have a problem getting bra's , I went into a well known bra shop and was searching for my size. I then asked the assistant who said ' oh we don't put that size out as it takes up to much room

I get them offline now, usually eBay which helps cut costs. Still wish I could be paying smaller prices, but these puppies are here to stay and dieting doesn't really help them

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"I prefer naked, lippy and Chanel darling

I'll let you do the wearing of those and I'll leave my lippy and Chanel at home then xxx"

Sounds like a plan

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By *ratty_DamselWoman
over a year ago

Greater London

Ok well lets use primark as an example.

Most of there 'nice' bra's only go up to a 36c.

As most women are now bigger than that size why is the minority being catered for?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I prefer naked, lippy and Chanel darling

I'll let you do the wearing of those and I'll leave my lippy and Chanel at home then xxx

Sounds like a plan

xx"

Cumming together

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've found some nice bras in Marks but for sexy lingerie above a D cup I look online

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is a debate I feel was an underlying issue from another thread, but being a plus size lady do you ever feel discriminated because of your size when it comes to.buying lingerie?

So your thoughts ........

Supply and demand and if you get multiple sales it helps bring costs down it the same for most things. I really don't think lingerie for some should be subsidised by others paying more though.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Ok well lets use primark as an example.

Most of there 'nice' bra's only go up to a 36c.

As most women are now bigger than that size why is the minority being catered for?

This is the point im trying to make!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok well lets use primark as an example.

Most of there 'nice' bra's only go up to a 36c.

As most women are now bigger than that size why is the minority being catered for?

This is the point im trying to make!

And again, the size 8/10 women will be subsidising the larger sizes. I'm a 32E and i can't find bras in proimark to fit me either. I'm happy to go to a store and pay more for my bras because there's nothing i can do about the size of them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok well lets use primark as an example.

Most of there 'nice' bra's only go up to a 36c.

As most women are now bigger than that size why is the minority being catered for?

This is the point im trying to make!

Yep, I'm a 32G which means I can rarely buy bras offline, however I'm not likely to cite the Equality Act at the shop assistant.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"I think the same can be said for many clothing items for men or women and shoes too.

The manufactures stock most of the quick selling sizes for tumover and profit and so it's harder to find larger or indeed smaller sizes sometimes in high street stores.

It's not really discrimination as they can choose their stock to benefit their cash flow.

But that's assuming all women, regardless of size, buy equally as much lingerie.

There might be a size differential that shows slimmer women buy more lingerie, or that larger ladies buy less of it compared to the average.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think the same can be said for many clothing items for men or women and shoes too.

The manufactures stock most of the quick selling sizes for tumover and profit and so it's harder to find larger or indeed smaller sizes sometimes in high street stores.

It's not really discrimination as they can choose their stock to benefit their cash flow.

But that's assuming all women, regardless of size, buy equally as much lingerie.

There might be a size differential that shows slimmer women buy more lingerie, or that larger ladies buy less of it compared to the average. "

Yes but surely slimmer women obviously do buy more because its catered for them and more readily available. Id be buying it all the time if i had the choice but i dont because they dont cater for it enough

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm shocked that the average UK ladies size is 16/18!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm shocked that the average UK ladies size is 16/18!

Certainly not the case where I live!!!

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Yes but surely slimmer women obviously do buy more because its catered for them and more readily available. Id be buying it all the time if i had the choice but i dont because they dont cater for it enough "

You could be right, but why would businesses deny themselves the profit from it if the profit potential is there?

Designer brands limit sizes to keep their brand image. But a high street brand is usually out to make as much profit as possible from as many people, so I don't know why they wouldn't do lingerie in larger sizes unless the profit just isn't there.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

You could be right, but why would businesses deny themselves the profit from it if the profit potential is there?

Fair point but if they are even unwilling to trial it how do they know if the profit margin is there. Since posting this thread ive had a lot of PM's from larger ladies all saying theyd like to see it more on the high street and would buy it a lot of it, but were affraid to speak up on the thread about it as some people have had a few negatives on the subject.

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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago

Bristol

I'm still on the plump side having lost quite a bit of weight. Even though I'm now closer to a store 'average' (which is by itself different to an actual UK average) I still find it tricky to find lingerie in my sizes. It was even more difficult before.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No matter what size you are, there will always be something that isn't available in your size. No matter what that may be.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Fair point but if they are even unwilling to trial it how do they know if the profit margin is there. Since posting this thread ive had a lot of PM's from larger ladies all saying theyd like to see it more on the high street and would buy it a lot of it, but were affraid to speak up on the thread about it as some people have had a few negatives on the subject. "

This subject comes up in the news cycle every so often about body shapes and the high street not offering a realistic choice.

I've just gone on to the Evans website and they have a nice range, but it's only one shop out of many, a lot of women probably feel they're 'stuck' with Evans if you know what I mean.

I suspect they do trial larger sizes, but rather than create a whole range and do sales research on it, they probably only do one style in larger sizes as a trial and so it never seems worth it to them from the limited sales data.

The mark-up on clothes is so high that huge profits are made, it's hard to see that no profit could be made from it at all.

No women should be afraid to speak up on the thread, it's an interesting topic and no one is perfect.

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over a year ago

When ive asked for my size (waist size) the usual answer I get is "sorry no weve sold out the bigger sizes always seem to go first" or words to that effect. I cant help.but think that if you can give that response then its obvious the markets there and more should be done

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When ive asked for my size (waist size) the usual answer I get is "sorry no weve sold out the bigger sizes always seem to go first" or words to that effect. I cant help.but think that if you can give that response then its obvious the markets there and more should be done "

My friend here has some lovely underwear, corsets etc. I'm bigger and she has told me to try eBay for lingerie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think this qualifies as discrimination, but it is an inconvenience. "

it's hardly discrimination

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I feel your pain but I've never known different really. I've been a DD+ since I was 14. At my smallest as an adult I was a 10-12 and a 34e, currently I'm a 14-16 and a 36G. Nightmare. I'm pretty much confined to Asda for everyday underwear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm 5"9 (used to be 5"10 before I got

old!) and have long legs, long arms and bigger feet which are wide too.

I constantly have to shop around and pay a LOT more for decent tall clothing, although it's slightly better than it used to be. Wide shoes are really, really ugly as a rule!!

It's frustrating but I understand there is just less market for these things.

Unfortunately, I can't lose weight to get smaller narrower feet or to be shorter..

not saying you have to lose weight but I don't have that luxury.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And what REALLY bugs me is when women say clothes are all designed for supermodels. No! They are designed for shorter women.)

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"I'm 5"9 (used to be 5"10 before I got

old!) and have long legs, long arms and bigger feet which are wide too.

I constantly have to shop around and pay a LOT more for decent tall clothing, although it's slightly better than it used to be. Wide shoes are really, really ugly as a rule!!

It's frustrating but I understand there is just less market for these things.

Unfortunately, I can't lose weight to get smaller narrower feet or to be shorter..

not saying you have to lose weight but I don't have that luxury.

New look have got some pretty good wide fitting shoes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm 5"9 (used to be 5"10 before I got

old!) and have long legs, long arms and bigger feet which are wide too.

I constantly have to shop around and pay a LOT more for decent tall clothing, although it's slightly better than it used to be. Wide shoes are really, really ugly as a rule!!

It's frustrating but I understand there is just less market for these things.

Unfortunately, I can't lose weight to get smaller narrower feet or to be shorter..

not saying you have to lose weight but I don't have that luxury.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm 5"9 (used to be 5"10 before I got

old!) and have long legs, long arms and bigger feet which are wide too.

I constantly have to shop around and pay a LOT more for decent tall clothing, although it's slightly better than it used to be. Wide shoes are really, really ugly as a rule!!

It's frustrating but I understand there is just less market for these things.

Unfortunately, I can't lose weight to get smaller narrower feet or to be shorter..

not saying you have to lose weight but I don't have that luxury.

This is my point too. We can't change how tall we are or how big our feet are but people complaining that clothes aren't big enough in stores are really complaining that they don't want to lose weight. Why should stores make bigger clothes? It's not their responsibility. Just because more women are getting bigger doesn't mean it should become "the norm".

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over a year ago

"This is a debate I feel was an underlying issue from another thread, but being a plus size lady do you ever feel discriminated because of your size when it comes to.buying lingerie?

So your thoughts ........

It really grates on me when people use the term 'their right to' this and that.

It's a free market economy so its the right of the shop keepers to charge whatever they please.

Customers can vote with their feet if they don't like it.

if you think there is such a gap in the market for the reasonably prices plus size lingerie then it might be an idea to move those curves into positive action and cash in on it with a niche business???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ive never had a problem finding nice underwear and ive always had big boobs. M&S are much better now than a few years ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"This is a debate I feel was an underlying issue from another thread, but being a plus size lady do you ever feel discriminated because of your size when it comes to.buying lingerie?

So your thoughts ........

It really grates on me when people use the term 'their right to' this and that.

It's a free market economy so its the right of the shop keepers to charge whatever they please.

Customers can vote with their feet if they don't like it.

If i was business minded enough id jump at the chance to start my own busdiness catering for it but im unfortunately not

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm 5"9 (used to be 5"10 before I got

old!) and have long legs, long arms and bigger feet which are wide too.

I constantly have to shop around and pay a LOT more for decent tall clothing, although it's slightly better than it used to be. Wide shoes are really, really ugly as a rule!!

It's frustrating but I understand there is just less market for these things.

Unfortunately, I can't lose weight to get smaller narrower feet or to be shorter..

not saying you have to lose weight but I don't have that luxury.

Im 5"9 with wide feet too i never have trouble catering for my height or feet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive had no problems buying nice underwear in peacocks there 18/20 sets £12 boost my boobage and covers my tummy and do various styles, asda for my bra's they do lovely sets price varies and even primark for my lacy french knickers £2

ive never spent loads on undies just the odd dressing up outfit in shops

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By *ussypussWoman
over a year ago

South Birmingham waiting for the bf to come back after crimbo

Why do so many people 'think' that they've read the OP 'properly' and then go off on a completely wrong rant?

I totally agree with the OP about having to spend a fortune on lingerie, I too am a bbw sized 18/20 and 40DD/E.

It could be argued that yes, more fabric goes into manufacturing larger sized clothing items whether they be lingerie, or trousers, but truth be known ladies of stature at the opposite end of the spectrum could probably argue that their clothing requires less fabric and should therefore be cheaper. The whole idea of clothing production across a range of sizes does allow for the costs to be spread across all sizes the same, I dread to think what would happen if an item in a size 8 was charged at say £8, a size 10 at £10, etc, I could see the manufacturers shrinking their sizes (even more than they do already) just to increase their profits.

I do wonder why manufacturers produce items in sizes 8-18 but not a 20, but then where would it stop? 22, 28, 34?

Granted, not every design will not have the same look on a size 8 lady as it does on a 14 and certainly a 20(+).

The arguments of a number of posters around us larger ladies losing weight in order to be able to 'fit into' the generally 'acceptable' size range is not always a matter of choice, some of us have health issues which prevent us from being able to 'shrink down', plus some may not 'want' to be smaller. How would the size 8 ladies feel if they were constantly bombarded with comments about how tiny they are and let's try this one for size ... 'you need to put weight on to make your size more standard'? I'm sure you wouldn't take kindly to those types of comments.

Personally, if the manufacturers of ladies' clothing were to produce items in larger sizes that were of a comparable quality, and similar (if not necessarily identical) design I would be prepared to pay a couple of £s more than the size 16s but it really isn't fair that we should have to resort to paying 4 or 5 times the standard prices, just to get an item that fits comfortably.

Finally, to the poster who said that lingerie is a choice and not a right, we do all have a right to be able to purchase any item of clothing, yes, it is illegal to wander around in public unclothed in this country, so why should we larger ladies have to feel like 2nd or even 3rd class citizens because we can't buy clothes at comparable prices to everyone else.

Hey, maybe we should make a stand and protest about this by rallying naked to raise awareness of this problem, hopefully the clothing manufacturers will be lobbied by the country's skinny people to include our larger sizes at a comparable price if only to get all our big wobbly bits off the streets and out of their faces .. lol xx

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By *ussypussWoman
over a year ago

South Birmingham waiting for the bf to come back after crimbo

Btw, I personally am 6ft tall, 35" inside leg, size 18/20 (sometimes even 22) and have size 10 shoes, so I do know what it's like not having the same sort of access to clothing and shoes as the manufacturers 'accepted standard' sizes do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Btw, I personally am 6ft tall, 35" inside leg, size 18/20 (sometimes even 22) and have size 10 shoes, so I do know what it's like not having the same sort of access to clothing and shoes as the manufacturers 'accepted standard' sizes do

It's still not, and will never be, discrimination for a store to not stock lingerie in certain sizes though. It's ridiculous to have that expectation, especially when there's so many stores that do sell plus size lingerie on and off line.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"ive never had a problem finding nice underwear and ive always had big boobs. M&S are much better now than a few years ago"

There aren't that many 34G on the shelves but they are there.

This is a multiple issue cost basis: the larger sizes will have smaller numbers in each individual size option; they cost more to make; individual choice will mean that they are making tiny numbers of each style in each larger size. You may think purple peonies on a black background is the nicer one and someone else will want them to be red. Plus, some of the designs are never going to fit/flatter a bigger bust and/or are not going to be strong enough for a bigger bust.

If you feel it's that much of an issue write to every label where you see a style you want in your size. If they don't hear from the consumer they will think there isn't an issue. It only takes 140 characters to get a response from them.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So your thoughts ........

Its pretty fair after all a fair number use the money they save of club entrance fees to pay for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think this qualifies as discrimination, but it is an inconvenience.

Well it kind of is afterall im having to pay more because of my size, it really shouldnt be that way its the same for clothes in generally if only there was a primani for big people "

Don't hate me for saying this but your buying more material arnt you?

It's off the mark a little but I fly regularly and have to pay more for my extra luggage and thats because of weight versus fuel but a bigger person dosnt have to pay more for there plain tickets then me....is this fare?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can i as a man walk into a department store and ask for an explanation why there are more clothes for women then men?????

Also as I like to keep healthy and organic I have to pay more for my food.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Thanks for your comments puss you got my point exactly

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Can i as a man walk into a department store and ask for an explanation why there are more clothes for women then men?????

Also as I like to keep healthy and organic I have to pay more for my food. "

Dont get me started on the healthy food issue ive been saying for years if the goverment or whoever want the nation to eat healthier then those foods should be cheaper to promote us to do

So.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can i as a man walk into a department store and ask for an explanation why there are more clothes for women then men?????

Also as I like to keep healthy and organic I have to pay more for my food.

Dont get me started on the healthy food issue ive been saying for years if the goverment or whoever want the nation to eat healthier then those foods should be cheaper to promote us to do

So."

Healthy food is cheaper

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I don't think this qualifies as discrimination, but it is an inconvenience.

Well it kind of is afterall im having to pay more because of my size, it really shouldnt be that way its the same for clothes in generally if only there was a primani for big people

Don't hate me for saying this but your buying more material arnt you?

jesus how much luggage do you take! Im a fatty and the extra material on my clothes mean i cant get as much in a case still only manage to stay within my baggage allowance

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can i as a man walk into a department store and ask for an explanation why there are more clothes for women then men?????

Also as I like to keep healthy and organic I have to pay more for my food.

Dont get me started on the healthy food issue ive been saying for years if the goverment or whoever want the nation to eat healthier then those foods should be cheaper to promote us to do

So."

But it won't because it cost more to produce

My coop does a pizza for £1 now I love pizza and could live on that but I CHOOSE not to

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Can i as a man walk into a department store and ask for an explanation why there are more clothes for women then men?????

Also as I like to keep healthy and organic I have to pay more for my food.

Dont get me started on the healthy food issue ive been saying for years if the goverment or whoever want the nation to eat healthier then those foods should be cheaper to promote us to do

So.

Healthy food is cheaper"

Start another thread for this if you want to debate it as i spend way more on my food budget since doing slimming world than.i used to when i stocked the freezer from iceland

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over a year ago

"This is a debate I feel was an underlying issue from another thread, but being a plus size lady do you ever feel discriminated because of your size when it comes to.buying lingerie?

So your thoughts ........

Not just you bigger ladies, I fluctuate between a b-d, so really difficult to get bras that fit all the time. I also get trouble finding the right cut/shape for me and with no padding I hate the stuff.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can i as a man walk into a department store and ask for an explanation why there are more clothes for women then men?????

Also as I like to keep healthy and organic I have to pay more for my food.

Dont get me started on the healthy food issue ive been saying for years if the goverment or whoever want the nation to eat healthier then those foods should be cheaper to promote us to do

So.

Healthy food is cheaper

Start another thread for this if you want to debate it as i spend way more on my food budget since doing slimming world than.i used to when i stocked the freezer from iceland"

Well let's say your paying for the years off cheap unhealthy food now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can i as a man walk into a department store and ask for an explanation why there are more clothes for women then men?????

Also as I like to keep healthy and organic I have to pay more for my food.

Dont get me started on the healthy food issue ive been saying for years if the goverment or whoever want the nation to eat healthier then those foods should be cheaper to promote us to do

So.

Healthy food is cheaper

Start another thread for this if you want to debate it as i spend way more on my food budget since doing slimming world than.i used to when i stocked the freezer from iceland"

Nah, there's nothing to debate.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Can i as a man walk into a department store and ask for an explanation why there are more clothes for women then men?????

Also as I like to keep healthy and organic I have to pay more for my food.

Dont get me started on the healthy food issue ive been saying for years if the goverment or whoever want the nation to eat healthier then those foods should be cheaper to promote us to do

So.

But it won't because it cost more to produce

My coop does a pizza for £1 now I love pizza and could live on that but I CHOOSE not to"

Yes and herein lies my point to get the good quality lingerie I pay top dollar because there isnt an alternative if the lingerie was more readily available id take that option. With your analogy, If that pizza was as healthy as just a salad youd eat the pizza everytime because it tastes better and its as easily sourced.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can i as a man walk into a department store and ask for an explanation why there are more clothes for women then men?????

Also as I like to keep healthy and organic I have to pay more for my food.

Dont get me started on the healthy food issue ive been saying for years if the goverment or whoever want the nation to eat healthier then those foods should be cheaper to promote us to do

So.

Healthy food is cheaper

Start another thread for this if you want to debate it as i spend way more on my food budget since doing slimming world than.i used to when i stocked the freezer from iceland

Well let's say your paying for the years off cheap unhealthy food now "

Slow down fella unhealthy food can be pricy you know have you seen the price of fresh cream cakes in Greggs!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well let's say your paying for the years off cheap unhealthy food now "

Woah, that was mean and uncalled for.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Can i as a man walk into a department store and ask for an explanation why there are more clothes for women then men?????

Also as I like to keep healthy and organic I have to pay more for my food.

Dont get me started on the healthy food issue ive been saying for years if the goverment or whoever want the nation to eat healthier then those foods should be cheaper to promote us to do

So.

Healthy food is cheaper

Start another thread for this if you want to debate it as i spend way more on my food budget since doing slimming world than.i used to when i stocked the freezer from iceland

Well let's say your paying for the years off cheap unhealthy food now "

was there any need for that? Im im on slimming world im obviously trying to change or that I have already changed in fact ive lost 8st this year, but know read what you want to and just fat bash!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can i as a man walk into a department store and ask for an explanation why there are more clothes for women then men?????

Also as I like to keep healthy and organic I have to pay more for my food.

Dont get me started on the healthy food issue ive been saying for years if the goverment or whoever want the nation to eat healthier then those foods should be cheaper to promote us to do

So."

Don't get me started on people claiming healthy food is more expensive.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Well let's say your paying for the years off cheap unhealthy food now

Woah, that was mean and uncalled for. "

Thanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can i as a man walk into a department store and ask for an explanation why there are more clothes for women then men?????

Also as I like to keep healthy and organic I have to pay more for my food.

Dont get me started on the healthy food issue ive been saying for years if the goverment or whoever want the nation to eat healthier then those foods should be cheaper to promote us to do

So.

Don't get me started on people claiming healthy food is more expensive.

Fresh veg is quite reasonable the problem is half the population wouldn't know what to do with a dirty spud, a sprout stalk a leafed up cauliflower or a fucking great big courgette.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can i as a man walk into a department store and ask for an explanation why there are more clothes for women then men?????

Also as I like to keep healthy and organic I have to pay more for my food.

Dont get me started on the healthy food issue ive been saying for years if the goverment or whoever want the nation to eat healthier then those foods should be cheaper to promote us to do

So.

Don't get me started on people claiming healthy food is more expensive.

Fresh veg is quite reasonable the problem is half the population wouldn't know what to do with a dirty spud, a sprout stalk a leafed up cauliflower or a fucking great big courgette.

Which is sheer laziness since there's a thing called Google.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can i as a man walk into a department store and ask for an explanation why there are more clothes for women then men?????

Also as I like to keep healthy and organic I have to pay more for my food.

Dont get me started on the healthy food issue ive been saying for years if the goverment or whoever want the nation to eat healthier then those foods should be cheaper to promote us to do

So.

Healthy food is cheaper

Start another thread for this if you want to debate it as i spend way more on my food budget since doing slimming world than.i used to when i stocked the freezer from iceland

Well let's say your paying for the years off cheap unhealthy food now

was there any need for that? Im im on slimming world im obviously trying to change or that I have already changed in fact ive lost 8st this year, but know read what you want to and just fat bash! "

I'm not fat bashing

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Can we please step away from the food issue and get back to the topic in the OP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can i as a man walk into a department store and ask for an explanation why there are more clothes for women then men?????

Also as I like to keep healthy and organic I have to pay more for my food.

Dont get me started on the healthy food issue ive been saying for years if the goverment or whoever want the nation to eat healthier then those foods should be cheaper to promote us to do

So.

Healthy food is cheaper

Start another thread for this if you want to debate it as i spend way more on my food budget since doing slimming world than.i used to when i stocked the freezer from iceland

Well let's say your paying for the years off cheap unhealthy food now

was there any need for that? Im im on slimming world im obviously trying to change or that I have already changed in fact ive lost 8st this year, but know read what you want to and just fat bash!

I'm not fat bashing "

You definitely were. This thread isn't about the OP's size or body shape, it's about the supply of lingerie in certain sizes. What you said was inflammatory and rude.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All I was doing is just showing examples

The way we are is our choice just deal with it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can i as a man walk into a department store and ask for an explanation why there are more clothes for women then men?????

Also as I like to keep healthy and organic I have to pay more for my food.

Dont get me started on the healthy food issue ive been saying for years if the goverment or whoever want the nation to eat healthier then those foods should be cheaper to promote us to do

So.

Don't get me started on people claiming healthy food is more expensive.

Fresh veg is quite reasonable the problem is half the population wouldn't know what to do with a dirty spud, a sprout stalk a leafed up cauliflower or a fucking great big courgette.

Which is sheer laziness since there's a thing called Google."

Ah but cooking from scratch (not pretending to cook from scratch) is pretty rare these days even spuds and carrots are washed in the supermarkets pre prepared veg, salad its not right. I like cooking when I have time I put a bit of time into it though I am average at best but so few seem to and crap convenience food is cheaper than healthy pre prepared decent stuff.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

well done on having lost 8 stone this year

..i cant even get my head round that as it

as a target for me to achieve in putting weight on ...never achieved 8 stone in my life which is pathetic really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think this qualifies as discrimination, but it is an inconvenience.

it's hardly discrimination"

this

This kind of thinking devalues the term 'discrimation'.

Am I discriminated against because I regularly have to hem new trousers as I'm a 'short' 5'4"? Or that moisturisers become more expensive the older I get? Yes, it's annoying, but hardly discrimination.

As another poster suggested, lobby the manufacturers if you want change.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"well done on having lost 8 stone this year

..i cant even get my head round that as it

as a target for me to achieve in putting weight on ...never achieved 8 stone in my life which is pathetic really "

Thank you ive worked hard for it and i dont want to loose much more im really happy in myself now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think this qualifies as discrimination, but it is an inconvenience.

it's hardly discrimination

this

This kind of thinking devalues the term 'discrimation'.

As another poster suggested, lobby the manufacturers if you want change."

If we want to get techinal the dictionary defination of discrimination is "the unjust or preferential treatment of different catorgories of people". Size is a way of catagorising people and if stores are favouring smaller sizes you could argue it is a form of discrimination on this basis. Discrimination isnt a back and white subject it doesnt just come down to age, sex and race you know!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Can we please step away from the food issue and get back to the topic in the OP "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think this qualifies as discrimination, but it is an inconvenience.

it's hardly discrimination

this

This kind of thinking devalues the term 'discrimation'. Am I discriminated against because I regularly have to hem new trousers as I'm a 'short' 5'4"? Or that moisturisers become more expensive the older I get? Yes, it's annoying, but hardly discrimination.

As another poster suggested, lobby the manufacturers if you want change.

'Favouring' or simply catering for the majority of the population as most businesses do, as there are presumably costs to stock everything in every single size? Afterall, nobody is denying the OP's right to buy sexy lingerie albeit she may have to pay more. Power to her, but this isn't discrimation in the statutory sense. It's a consumer issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It gives that incentive to lose weight to improve your choice, save money and better health.

no offence

No offence taken as Im happy with my size and who I am why should I have to change my physical apperance just to have nice things?

why do single guys pay more in clubs

just because that is the way it is

mass markets"

The answer to all of this is surely the basic economic principle of supply & demand.(Certainly explains the premium fellows pay for clubs, higher holiday prices in school holidays, why train tickets cost less after 9.00 etc etc)

If the OP is right, there is a gap in the market and a profit to be made. Based on the lack of overwhelming endoresments here, it may be an idea that has not had its time yet...but things change. Tesco shares are down 50% and Lidl and Aldi growth is impressive. If consumers are sufficiently disgruntled things change. No more powerful proof of this than my last punctual and surprisingly pleasant trip on Ryan Air!

Please note other supermarkets and airlines are available and I do not have shares in any of the commercial enterprises mentioned. Past performance does not necessarily indicate future growth. Smoking wilts your cock but looks hot.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can I also say that I think some of you should be truely ashamed of yourselves for the derogatory comments youve made towards the OP regarding her weight. I wish i had half her clear confidence she has in herself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The OP did mention shes had lots of PM's of support in the topic raised, and that these people didnt feel brave enough to comment because of (quite frankly) the utterlu awful way shes been treated on this thread

It gives that incentive to lose weight to improve your choice, save money and better health.

no offence

No offence taken as Im happy with my size and who I am why should I have to change my physical apperance just to have nice things?

why do single guys pay more in clubs

just because that is the way it is

mass markets

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Guiltfree the OP said shes recieved a lot of support on the issue just via PM's as people havent wanted to post for fear of the same enslaught and quite frankly awful commenrs shes recieved on this thread

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Can I also say that I think some of you should be truely ashamed of yourselves for the derogatory comments youve made towards the OP regarding her weight. I wish i had half her clear confidence she has in herself "

What a lovely thing to say thank you

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

"Fresh veg is quite reasonable the problem is half the population wouldn't know what to do with a dirty spud, a sprout stalk a leafed up cauliflower or a fucking great big courgette.

make a stew ..lentils chick peas and root veg are delicious

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am a big girl, I find it hard to shop for stuff.

So am now doing a sewing course where I am learning to make corsets and my own underwear.

The stuff fits me, is one of a kind and I get good quality

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting thread, - sounds like there's more than just a niche in the market for you young, budding entrepreneurs out there, - seriously!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The amount of times I've bought 'plus size' stockings and they turn out to be knee highs is ridiculous...

Dianne Xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't spend a penny on expensive underwear

Underwear looks good on good bodies

I could spend £5 or £35 on a pair of undies

The net result is still the same

Fat bloke. Just in better undies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think this qualifies as discrimination, but it is an inconvenience.

it's hardly discrimination

this

This kind of thinking devalues the term 'discrimation'.

As another poster suggested, lobby the manufacturers if you want change.

That's not getting technical, you're contributing to turning discrimination into a farce. You cannot argue this is discrimination at all.

The OP was not refused anything due to who/what she is, she aimply cannot buy lingerie in certain shops. Plus size lingerie is already in production and readily available from hundreds (possibly thousands) of vendors.

To clarify this, as an adult, I don't go into Mothercare and kick off at the lack of adult clothing, nor do I wander into William Hunt and get angry about the lack of ladies wear.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I knew this threat would turn into a bashing threat....I mean is fat really the worst thing a human can be? Is fat worse than vindictive, jealous, shallow, vain, boring, evil or cruel? Not to me it ain't.

Some should be ashamed of your comments

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I knew this threat would turn into a bashing threat....I mean is fat really the worst thing a human can be? Is fat worse than vindictive, jealous, shallow, vain, boring, evil or cruel? Not to me it ain't.

Some should be ashamed of your comments "

I deliberately didn't read the majority of responses as I, too, expected this would be the case.

Anyway av got me belly tucked into me knickers, so must be time for work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some should be ashamed of your comments "

Absolutely disgusting to be frank.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some should be ashamed of your comments "

They absolutely should I said similiar myself, you are correct that there are worse qualities in a person than being fat and a lot of them have been demonstrated here! When in fact the OP has raised a very interesting topic for discussion and regardless of the stance you take on it you can make your point without becoming insulting.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Some should be ashamed of your comments "

Thread not threat

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Some should be ashamed of your comments

It is an Interesting topic one I've not given great thought to as I've never really had an issues finding nice things that fit me, I'm lucky as my mum is a great seamstress so if I've wanted something she has made it. I have trouble with jewellery I can never get braclets on and have to get them from Evans where they make them bigger. I've always wanted to set up an online shop selling plus size jewellery etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's harsh but true that if you want to be a bbw then pretty underwear is going to be harder to find. It's great that woman love their bodies and the world is becoming more accepting of larger people but.... It's just one of those things, I expect most companies think that because a lady is bigger she doesn't want to show off her body, I know that'd mot the.case on fab but in general I think it is and that's why theres so little choice, the people that do supply it at a high price are just being successful in their chosen proffesion, you can't blame them for that!! Im really sorry you feel discrimated against but the truth is you chose to be bigger. It's not a bad thing at all but when you make that choice you've got to accept some things that probably won't change, nice, cheap underwear in plus sizes for example

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think this qualifies as discrimination, but it is an inconvenience.

it's hardly discrimination

this

This kind of thinking devalues the term 'discrimation'.

As another poster suggested, lobby the manufacturers if you want change.

That's not getting technical, you're contributing to turning discrimination into a farce. You cannot argue this is discrimination at all.

To clarify this, as an adult, I don't go into Mothercare and kick off at the lack of adult clothing, nor do I wander into William Hunt and get angry about the lack of ladies wear."

I totally agree

I'm sorry but it's laughable to claim this is discrimination.

I find buying trousers quite difficult. I hace longer legs than most people. Shops stock the popukar sizes - why does that shock or surprise people? It's an inconvenience, it's annoying but it's not discrimination. It's simple economics, look at any sale and it is almost always the more unusual sizes that are reduced for the simple reason they don't sell. Shops stock popular sizes for that reason - they are popular.

And refering to this as discrimination massives downplaying actual discrimination

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some should be ashamed of your comments

Have you ever looked into this cheeky? I have so many friend and myself like you have this problem with jewellery. You would very well selling plus size costume jewellery. Not just to to the pluz size lady but to a range of people. I think its a venture that you should look into. As i for one would definitly purchase items and so would many other people especially on this site.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the same can be said for many clothing items for men or women and shoes too.

The manufactures stock most of the quick selling sizes for tumover and profit and so it's harder to find larger or indeed smaller sizes sometimes in high street stores.

It's not really discrimination as they can choose their stock to benefit their cash flow."

A lady I know has size nine feet. It's really hard for her to get shoes. She usually ends up paying a lot more money than I ever would. There is very little choice about too. But I wouldn't call it discrimination against large feet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If any of you had taken two minutes out of your day to actually converse with the OP as opposed to merely judging her you might realise that weight issues arent as cut and dry as saying "you choose to eat shit" or words to that effect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think this qualifies as discrimination, but it is an inconvenience.

it's hardly discrimination

this

This kind of thinking devalues the term 'discrimation'.

As another poster suggested, lobby the manufacturers if you want change.

That's not getting technical, you're contributing to turning discrimination into a farce. You cannot argue this is discrimination at all.

To clarify this, as an adult, I don't go into Mothercare and kick off at the lack of adult clothing, nor do I wander into William Hunt and get angry about the lack of ladies wear.

I totally agree

I'm sorry but it's laughable to claim this is discrimination.

And refering to this as discrimination massives downplaying actual discrimination"

Well all I can say is go.into the legal profession and you will soon see how fickle the subject of discrimination actually is, it would shock you and probably most. I would like to point out that the OP did only say it can FEEL like being discriminated against because of the size NOT that it actually is!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have found recently that it is getting easier to get lingerie in larger sizes i.e. size 18. I have always been big busted though, regardless of my dress size. I must admit part of my incentive to lose more weight now is to have more choice of clothes in general, not just lingerie. I want to be able to go into any high street shop - like White Stuff for example and pick anything up off the shelf and it fit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If any of you had taken two minutes out of your day to actually converse with the OP as opposed to merely judging her you might realise that weight issues arent as cut and dry as saying "you choose to eat shit" or words to that effect."

It's not about OP's weight. You're getting distracted and being sensationalist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think this qualifies as discrimination, but it is an inconvenience.

it's hardly discrimination

this

This kind of thinking devalues the term 'discrimation'.

As another poster suggested, lobby the manufacturers if you want change.

That's not getting technical, you're contributing to turning discrimination into a farce. You cannot argue this is discrimination at all.

To clarify this, as an adult, I don't go into Mothercare and kick off at the lack of adult clothing, nor do I wander into William Hunt and get angry about the lack of ladies wear.

I totally agree

I'm sorry but it's laughable to claim this is discrimination.

And refering to this as discrimination massives downplaying actual discrimination

Before pointing that out, perhaps read the later posts, too.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not about OP's weight. You're getting distracted and being sensationalist. "

Its not about the OP's weight but many on here have made it and issue about that. Im not the first to point this out

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Can I also say that I think some of you should be truely ashamed of yourselves for the derogatory comments youve made towards the OP regarding her weight. "

this..

sadly inevitable from some..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not about OP's weight. You're getting distracted and being sensationalist.

Its not about the OP's weight but many on here have made it and issue about that. Im not the first to point this out "

Then I don't understand why you're suggesting we all get to know the OP personally and probe her on why her body is that way. You're contributing to it, instead of dismissing the rude/mean comments.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

not sure if my comments are part of the outrage, I mentioned her weight only because she raises it in her OP. If she is happy with her weight, that is cool.

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By *aelic funMan
over a year ago

Carlisle Dumfries France

I spend part of the year living in France and if you think the UK is bad for large sizes it is impossible to get lingerie, eg, in anything above 40F. My OH has to find/buy in the UK.

But if you have problems with leg lengths for trousers, hop across the channel. Trousers are not usually sold in lengths - it is one long size and you get it hemmed yourself. Convenient for those with shorter legs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not about OP's weight. You're getting distracted and being sensationalist.

Its not about the OP's weight but many on here have made it and issue about that. Im not the first to point this out

Then I don't understand why you're suggesting we all get to know the OP personally and probe her on why her body is that way. You're contributing to it, instead of dismissing the rude/mean comments. "

Im not suggesting you all should do that I am merely saying people shouldnt be so quick to judge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some peoples whole point of being on here appears to be about causing outrage/controversy, rather than meeting or anything else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not about OP's weight. You're getting distracted and being sensationalist.

Its not about the OP's weight but many on here have made it and issue about that. Im not the first to point this out

I'm sorry but it kinda is about weight, If the op wasn't larger she wouldn't feel the way she does!! Weight issues are never cut and dry ( I'm heavier than I've ever been right now) but it comes down to the fact if your big you'll struggle, it's not right but it's how it is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not about OP's weight. You're getting distracted and being sensationalist.

Its not about the OP's weight but many on here have made it and issue about that. Im not the first to point this out

Then I don't understand why you're suggesting we all get to know the OP personally and probe her on why her body is that way. You're contributing to it, instead of dismissing the rude/mean comments.

I'm not overweight yet I struggle buying underwear in my size. This is about why shops don't stock certain sizes, not about the OP's weight at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reality is some sizes are hard to get, my ex was 5ft and a size 6 (clothes not shoes) and found buying adult clothes next to impossible to get. I'm overweight and many high street shops don't stock trousers and jeans that fit.

Morrigan is a size 12 so has no problem finding clothes but she has size 7 hobbit feet so finding any sort of shoe wide enough is very difficult.

It's been previously said the high street stores will stock what they can move quickly and that means only stocking the popular sizes. The internet is your friend and as regards to bras so are speciality bra shops.

In short it's not discrimination no one is going to stock something that isn't popular is doesn't make business sense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not about OP's weight. You're getting distracted and being sensationalist.

Its not about the OP's weight but many on here have made it and issue about that. Im not the first to point this out

Then I don't understand why you're suggesting we all get to know the OP personally and probe her on why her body is that way. You're contributing to it, instead of dismissing the rude/mean comments.

I'm not overweight yet I struggle buying underwear in my size. This is about why shops don't stock certain sizes, not about the OP's weight at all. "

Ok fair enough but I would say your situation isn't a common one. It struggle to find nice underwear too but it's because I'm fat, if I was the size Im meant to be I would expect I'd find it much much easier to find

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I do know one very popular high street chain (as a goid friend of mine from scjool works for them as a buyer in london) that have started focussing on sizes 14-20 as they have noticed the growing demand within this size range and have found themselves to be more profitable because of adapting to the change in the market and that particular store I can walk into and almost always find my size. I just wish lingerie stores could do the same

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some peoples whole point of being on here appears to be about causing outrage/controversy, rather than meeting or anything else. "

I have noticed that more and more on here these days. It's really quite sad and what I actually despise more than anything else is women bashing other women it's cringe worthy!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some peoples whole point of being on here appears to be about causing outrage/controversy, rather than meeting or anything else.

I have noticed that more and more on here these days. It's really quite sad and what I actually despise more than anything else is women bashing other women it's cringe worthy! "

If you can't say anything nice. Don't say anything at all. My mum used to tell me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some peoples whole point of being on here appears to be about causing outrage/controversy, rather than meeting or anything else.

I have noticed that more and more on here these days. It's really quite sad and what I actually despise more than see anything else is women bashing other women it's cringe worthy!

If you can't say anything nice. Don't say anything at all. My mum used to tell me. "

I wrote exactly the same thing at the top of this post yesterday...!

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

Is a big part of it not that certain styles and shapes only really look good on a slimmer figure other shapes look good on a fuller figure but the pattern run would be so much smaller hence the price vatiation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I assume its down to the economies of making sizes above what people are buying a lot of.

The most popular sizes seem to be between 14-18 (as demonstrated when you go to a rail with a gorgeous dress on and all thats left is skinny bitch sizes!

) So shops will sell exponentially less of the sizes above say a 20, so it's probably not financially worth them making many above that. In the high st stores at least. You can perhaps get them online, but then have the problem of trying them on and returns.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some should be ashamed of your comments "

Think people have got there back up too quickly or waiting to see a slight comment so they can be all pc.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Some should be ashamed of your comments

Think people have got there back up too quickly or waiting to see a slight comment so they can be all pc."

using the 'they're all being pc' is a cop out imho, perhaps you were being deliberately offensive or maybe you need to tweak your diplomacy app..

its all about perception

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I assume its down to the economies of making sizes above what people are buying a lot of.

The most popular sizes seem to be between 14-18 (as demonstrated when you go to a rail with a gorgeous dress on and all thats left is skinny bitch sizes!

how dare you call people that wear a dress size 12 a skinny bitch!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I assume its down to the economies of making sizes above what people are buying a lot of.

The most popular sizes seem to be between 14-18 (as demonstrated when you go to a rail with a gorgeous dress on and all thats left is skinny bitch sizes!

how dare you call people that wear a dress size 12 a skinny bitch!

I dare easily....Skinny Biaaaaaaatch!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I assume its down to the economies of making sizes above what people are buying a lot of.

The most popular sizes seem to be between 14-18 (as demonstrated when you go to a rail with a gorgeous dress on and all thats left is skinny bitch sizes!

how dare you call people that wear a dress size 12 a skinny bitch!

oi and another thing I find its the size 10 to 12's that go first,ive had temper tantruns in shops cos they aint got a 12

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Some should be ashamed of your comments

Briefly, I have someone that can create a website for me it's just finding a wholesalers that will sell me the goods. I've done some research but can't seem to find what I'm looking for. I need to look into further as its something I'd love to do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I assume its down to the economies of making sizes above what people are buying a lot of.

The most popular sizes seem to be between 14-18 (as demonstrated when you go to a rail with a gorgeous dress on and all thats left is skinny bitch sizes!

how dare you call people that wear a dress size 12 a skinny bitch!

I dare easily....Skinny Biaaaaaaatch!

Trollop,,,

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Some should be ashamed of your comments

Think people have got there back up too quickly or waiting to see a slight comment so they can be all pc."

No it's not about being pc it's about standing up to people who find belittling others amusing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some should be ashamed of your comments

Think people have got there back up too quickly or waiting to see a slight comment so they can be all pc."

You don't say!!!! You are 100% right though as many do so and love doing it too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some should be ashamed of your comments

Think people have got there back up too quickly or waiting to see a slight comment so they can be all pc.

No it's not about being pc it's about standing up to people who find belittling others amusing."

But try to do exactly that themselves! Its a little ironic don't you think and 2 faced.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

just wear none problem solved. Women should not have to dress up for guys. Only themselves.

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