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By *uby0000 OP   Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

what do you think he will get?

I don't think he would survive in jail

long awaiting the outcome

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seven years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not what he deserves that's for sure ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Community service...he won't get jail time.

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By *icefellatwoMan
over a year ago

hastings


"Seven years."

What ever he gets wont be long enough

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

That he does charity work is mitigation?....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I don't think he would survive in jail

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Then jail it should be,his girlfriend didn't survive the shooting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Community service and a fine

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London


"Not what he deserves that's for sure ..."

agreed

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By *.nottsbloke..Man
over a year ago

the vale

Lot of pressure on the judge lenient sentence looks like its ok for south Africans to kill if they famous harsher sentence may get back lash for jailing a national hero

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Suspended sentence??????????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What's all the fuss about? What did the lad do wrong? He heard a noise in the night, saw his girlfriend missing, went to investigate. Heard a noise in the bathroom, assumed this must be a burglar taking a shit so naturally tried to hack the door down with a hammer, then shot through it.

Isn't that all perfectly normal?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I said right at the outset that guilty or not he would walk away from this unscathed and I still think that will happen. Suspended sentence or house arrest with community service. Shambles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Community service and you naughty boy don't you ever play with guns again!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm expecting life time house arrest at mine. I wish.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Maybe a little spot in open prison, community service and suspended sentence of 5 years. Plus some rehab.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think 5 years

When are they sentencing?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"Community service and a fine "

This. He will weasel his way out of jail

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One of the witnesses commented that he 'had suffered enough'

I don't think so somehow.

What about Reeva's parents?

Personally, I think he should be considering himself exceedingly fortunate that he was not convicted of her murder, and therefore should accept of whatever sentence is handed down.

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By *asmanian TigerMan
over a year ago

lala land

What ever he gets it won't be enough!!

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By *uby0000 OP   Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

wouldn't want to the judge

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By *hrissie1961Woman
over a year ago

dumfries and galloway


"One of the witnesses commented that he 'had suffered enough'

I don't think so somehow.

What about Reeva's parents?

Personally, I think he should be considering himself exceedingly fortunate that he was not convicted of her murder, and therefore should accept of whatever sentence is handed down."

Poor parents! Bah they were taking money from him and have suffered financially.....oh and they have the tour of the daytime chat shows organised.....exclusives don't come cheap

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By *each_PittWoman
over a year ago

Belfast

Said all along he'd get away with murder. No matter what the sentence it will be suspended and he'll be back at work.

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By *D40Couple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

What i'd give for a time machine or 5 minutes inside his head.

Such a waste of a beautiful young woman's life.

Mrs WD40 x

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By *uby0000 OP   Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

sentencing supposed to be tuesday

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

Two reasons offered by the defence for mitigation...He has no money...the Pistorius family are super rich!!...feel sorry for him because he was going to make millions until the killing...absolutely unbelievable!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What i'd give for a time machine or 5 minutes inside his head.

Such a waste of a beautiful young woman's life.

Mrs WD40 x"

What was going through his head - the amount of drugs these olympic athletes take are unbelievable probably screwed with his mind !

He deserves life & life should mean life not a couple of years.

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By *uby0000 OP   Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

its sad when a life is taken but so has Oscars now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why is the sentencing taking so long?

This is one incredible case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"its sad when a life is taken but so has Oscars now"

His choice to act as he did any reasonable person would know there are consequences to our actions.

He's such a bad lier & his story of the events are flawed big time.Nothing but a fake.His only remorse is that no one believed his story when expected otherwise.

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By *uby0000 OP   Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire


"Why is the sentencing taking so long?

This is one incredible case."

it has dragged on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Roses are red, violets are glorious.

Don't creep up on oscar pistorius.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You are in bed with your girlfriend! And you hear an intruder in your bathroom(that's where all the value will be)you pull out the shot gun and fire before you check your girlfriend is okay! of course it was an accident let him go free. NOT

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You are in bed with your girlfriend! And you hear an intruder in your bathroom(that's where all the value will be)you pull out the shot gun and fire before you check your girlfriend is okay! of course it was an accident let him go free. NOT"

I think I would have put the light on first before reaching for a gun.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"what do you think he will get?

I don't think he would survive in jail

long awaiting the outcome"

Apparently he has a price on his head, so defo dont think he would survive in jail, but is it fair for the judge to take that into account?

Whether he meant to or not, he took a life. I've always believed his story to be honest, and he has obviously been traumatized by the whole thing, but if the judge isnt careful when choosing his sentencing, there will be a huge uproar. I hope whatever his sentence that Reeva's family will finally get some peace and time to grieve but I unfortunately I don't think thats likely. Juicy x

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London


"what do you think he will get?

I don't think he would survive in jail

long awaiting the outcome

Apparently he has a price on his head, so defo dont think he would survive in jail, but is it fair for the judge to take that into account?

Whether he meant to or not, he took a life. I've always believed his story to be honest, and he has obviously been traumatized by the whole thing, but if the judge isnt careful when choosing his sentencing, there will be a huge uproar. I hope whatever his sentence that Reeva's family will finally get some peace and time to grieve but I unfortunately I don't think thats likely. Juicy x"

sorry but which version of his story did you believe??? because it has changed so much over time especially under cross examination and don't believe that nonsense about a price on his head oh please if he does go to prison (a big if) his gonna be on the hospital wing or I protective custody(if south African prisons have that) his not gonna be I general population with all the kills and thugs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You are in bed with your girlfriend! And you hear an intruder in your bathroom(that's where all the value will be)you pull out the shot gun and fire before you check your girlfriend is okay! of course it was an accident let him go free. NOT

I think I would have put the light on first before reaching for a gun."

Exactly!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"what do you think he will get?

I don't think he would survive in jail

long awaiting the outcome

Apparently he has a price on his head, so defo dont think he would survive in jail, but is it fair for the judge to take that into account?

Whether he meant to or not, he took a life. I've always believed his story to be honest, and he has obviously been traumatized by the whole thing, but if the judge isnt careful when choosing his sentencing, there will be a huge uproar. I hope whatever his sentence that Reeva's family will finally get some peace and time to grieve but I unfortunately I don't think thats likely. Juicy x

sorry but which version of his story did you believe??? because it has changed so much over time especially under cross examination and don't believe that nonsense about a price on his head oh please if he does go to prison (a big if) his gonna be on the hospital wing or I protective custody(if south African prisons have that) his not gonna be I general population with all the kills and thugs "

I believe his version of events that he shot at her thinking she was an intruder because he had a heightened sense of vulnerability/paranoia due to his disability.

I read today that the gang that runs all of the prisons (the 26s) have put a price on his head - whether thats true or not who knows, but I dont think he would last 5 mins. We know that South Africa is an incredibly fragile and corrupt country and it's perfectly believable that whether in solitary and/or extra secure confinement, they will get to him easily enough. The prisons in South Africa are not run by wardens, but by the people incarcerated within the walls and he doesn't stand a chance in my view. Some people would say that what would happen to him in prison would be nothing less than he deserves though. Its a complex case and I do not envy Judge Masipa! Juicy

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

It seems very odd that he didn't call out or fire a warning shot first. I hope and believe that he will do time, but for how long I'm not sure.

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London


"what do you think he will get?

I don't think he would survive in jail

long awaiting the outcome

Apparently he has a price on his head, so defo dont think he would survive in jail, but is it fair for the judge to take that into account?

Whether he meant to or not, he took a life. I've always believed his story to be honest, and he has obviously been traumatized by the whole thing, but if the judge isnt careful when choosing his sentencing, there will be a huge uproar. I hope whatever his sentence that Reeva's family will finally get some peace and time to grieve but I unfortunately I don't think thats likely. Juicy x

sorry but which version of his story did you believe??? because it has changed so much over time especially under cross examination and don't believe that nonsense about a price on his head oh please if he does go to prison (a big if) his gonna be on the hospital wing or I protective custody(if south African prisons have that) his not gonna be I general population with all the kills and thugs

I believe his version of events that he shot at her thinking she was an intruder because he had a heightened sense of vulnerability/paranoia due to his disability.

I read today that the gang that runs all of the prisons (the 26s) have put a price on his head - whether thats true or not who knows, but I dont think he would last 5 mins. We know that South Africa is an incredibly fragile and corrupt country and it's perfectly believable that whether in solitary and/or extra secure confinement, they will get to him easily enough. The prisons in South Africa are not run by wardens, but by the people incarcerated within the walls and he doesn't stand a chance in my view. Some people would say that what would happen to him in prison would be nothing less than he deserves though. Its a complex case and I do not envy Judge Masipa! Juicy "

for me I don't believe that for a second too many holes in the story and parts that just don't make sense for me

and maybe it's me but i don't believe this so called gang wanna kill him for what reason because they care about a miscarriage of justice I think not

I don't he would get killed maybe given a hard time and extorted but a celebrity killed in a prison spells trouble for everybody especially the so called gangs that apparently runs this prison because if he got killed in there that would all stop because the world would then want justice for Oscar

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You are in bed with your girlfriend! And you hear an intruder in your bathroom(that's where all the value will be)you pull out the shot gun and fire before you check your girlfriend is okay! of course it was an accident let him go free. NOT

I think I would have put the light on first before reaching for a gun.

Exactly!"

And make yourself an easy target if there was an armed intruder?

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By *aidtobespankedCouple
over a year ago

Chester


"Roses are red, violets are glorious.

Don't creep up on oscar pistorius."

That made me lol!

Im saying 5 years!

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By *hrissie1961Woman
over a year ago

dumfries and galloway

Just don't let him have a gun.....

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By *uby0000 OP   Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire


"Just don't let him have a gun....."

guns shouldn't be available

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He'll get off Scott free

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By *uby0000 OP   Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

tomorrows verdict day

bet hes shaking in his boots lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hope that Reeva's family are left feeling that justice has been done

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By *uby0000 OP   Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

I still think our jury system is fairer

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By *rank_SimoneCouple
over a year ago

Bideford

He was clearly guilty of murder but the judge found him not guilty.

So don't be surprised if he walks away scott free as any thing but a prison sentence would be scott free.

I just hope a real intruder breaks in and shoots him very soon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Genuine question, does he get to take the legs with him to prison?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh he is soooo going to be someones bitch

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Hasn't he been sentenced yet?

Why is this still being dragged out?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Still dragging on just tell us in a few words jail or no jail!!! The rioters are waiting outside in the heat !!

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By *icefellatwoMan
over a year ago

hastings


"Still dragging on just tell us in a few words jail or no jail!!! The rioters are waiting outside in the heat !!"

Top him that's what he deserves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I really can't imagine he won't get a prison sentence. There would be uproar if he didn't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How inconsiderate with the timing bloody school run time!! but I bet it will be after lunch break the way things are going on lol

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By *icefellatwoMan
over a year ago

hastings


"How inconsiderate with the timing bloody school run time!! but I bet it will be after lunch break the way things are going on lol"

It looks like she has a hundred pages to read !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My 4 year old niece can read better than the judge!

I think he will get a custodial sentence of 5 - 7 years

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By *occerstar579Man
over a year ago

harrogate

he is going down for 10 years!!! Hate it when these so called celebs use their charity work as a defence!!! If I phone up a charity to donate a fiver does this mean i can kill someone and be let off prison? Hope the judge throws book at him and bring him to his knees!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How inconsiderate with the timing bloody school run time!! but I bet it will be after lunch break the way things are going on lol

It looks like she has a hundred pages to read !"

That is only the first pile lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hope he go down . I think in his head he felt a god and could say and do just what he liked and when he liked. Killing her was a power thing maybe.? And people would believe him as he was loved by the public and his fans he was a super man with no legs could win do things most could not do and killing her maybe he did think he would get away with it so I hope he go down .

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

Tricky, the values around taking life is a lot different then Europe, the Boers have been shooting anything that moves for years. It's the publicity that could possibly swing it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I said at the outset that I expected him to get away with this, and I still do (*waits and watches to be shown to be an arse*)

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By *occerstar579Man
over a year ago

harrogate

maybe the family of the victim should chose the sentance....they get 4 choices from judge and they select which option.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

given that here will be an appeal however it goes I see no issue in her being diligent in her duties, she knows there will be criticism whatever the outcome..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very little criticism if imprisoned compared to public outrage if community service

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mercy? !...jeezzz there shouldn't be any mercy towards pistorius ..

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By *occerstar579Man
over a year ago

harrogate


"Mercy? !...jeezzz there shouldn't be any mercy towards pistorius .."

totally agree....send him down!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

5 years ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

5 years for killing? Is that it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"5 years ..."

Ditto

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He could be out in 2 years

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By *occerstar579Man
over a year ago

harrogate

lets hope his ass takes a proper pounding in prison!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A happy medium

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Will be out in 2 years, shambles, but harsher than I had expected.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"lets hope his ass takes a proper pounding in prison!!! "

Yes, because that's true punishment for killing someone,either by accident or pre meditated murder

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"lets hope his ass takes a proper pounding in prison!!! "

that's a common fantasy for some but its not actually part of the sentence..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

5 years...I was right

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Will be out in 2 years, shambles, but harsher than I had expected."

its 'manslaughter' which I think the equivalent sentence historically over here when mainly men commit same with wives/partners is probably comparable..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"5 years ..."
That's nothing for a life . Fame and money and no legs has got him off. 5 years is nothing for this and will get off a lot doing a lot charity work too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And now let the Fab lynch mob have their say lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nel was happy with outcome

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He can ask for parole after 10 months ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He can ask for parole after 10 months .. "

He can ask....doesn't mean he'll get it

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By *occerstar579Man
over a year ago

harrogate


"lets hope his ass takes a proper pounding in prison!!!

that's a common fantasy for some but its not actually part of the sentence.."

Maybe it should lol...although remove the prosthetic limbs and he ideal height to suck off all the prisoners!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Out of 5 years will be 10 months jail and that's nothing is it .?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Will he be allowed to take his blades in? He could spring over the walls

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Seven years."

I was close.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He also got a 3 year suspended for the other firearms offence.

Apparently, he's not going to appeal as he hasn't got a leg to stand on!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Will only serve 10 mths in prison

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By *ptimusDMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

There's a difference between justice and vengeance. Justice punishes taking into account the public good, victim and accused. Vengeance is a thirst for revenge.

The court dispenses justice and not vengeance. A life sentence for Pistorios or even death will not bring Reeva back to life.

So unless you're arguing for the man to be killed, then you really can't say 5 years isn't long enough because 100 years or even a life sentence will not be long enough either.

Consider for a minute what the man has gone through since the night of the shooting. His mental state has been affected, he's almost bankrupt, he will most likely never be a professional athlete again, he has lost friends and he will have to live with what he did for the rest of his life.

When you take these into account, then 5 years isn't insignificant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And what about Reevas family? They have to live with a life sentence of a kind. They will never see their daughter again. Five years for taking a life? Not long enough. He'll be in his early thirties if he does the full five years, still time for him to rebuild his life.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Considering he has been found guilty of manslaughter 5 years is fair. I just hope he hasn't read about Douglas Bader escaping from various prison camps.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems like everyone is happy with the sentence including the Reeves family

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He won't do the full 5 years - it's expected he'll serve 10 months in prison, and 4 years under house arrest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about Peter Barlow now that is an injustice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Suppose not everyone can feel the exact same way. But I know if someone killed my daughter, I wouldn't be happy with a five year sentence. If their happy then that's a good thing!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think it has anything to do with being happy. It's more about closure, and feeling that some justice has been served in what was a terrible tragedy for the family as well as for Pistorius.

His sentence is or life as well. He killed her, but it wasn't a premeditated murder so he has to live with the terrible guilt as well as serve a sentence. Nobody wins, nobody is happy. A heftier sentence won't bring back the dead girl.

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By *ptimusDMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Suppose not everyone can feel the exact same way. But I know if someone killed my daughter, I wouldn't be happy with a five year sentence. If their happy then that's a good thing!

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Just out of curiosity, what would you consider a fair sentence?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Clearly not "happy" but feel justice was done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a shambles!

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London


"Suppose not everyone can feel the exact same way. But I know if someone killed my daughter, I wouldn't be happy with a five year sentence. If their happy then that's a good thing!

Just out of curiosity, what would you consider a fair sentence?"

10 years or more at least

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Clearly not "happy" but feel justice was done. "

Exactly. A level of justice has been served which is all that can happen when a person is killed by accident or otherwise. Pistorius life will forever be an unhappy one on some level due to this happening to him - he isn't a murderer as such but he did kill a person which is a hell of a thing to have to live with if you're not a psychopath.

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London


"Consider for a minute what the man has gone through since the night of the shooting. His mental state has been affected, he's almost bankrupt, he will most likely never be a professional athlete again, he has lost friends and he will have to live with what he did for the rest of his life."

And the family have lost Reeva forever

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Seems like everyone is happy with the sentence including the Reeves family"

Perhaps it's just the closure they needed. The trial is over with, now they can continue to grieve and learn to live a life without their loved one in it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Consider for a minute what the man has gone through since the night of the shooting. His mental state has been affected, he's almost bankrupt, he will most likely never be a professional athlete again, he has lost friends and he will have to live with what he did for the rest of his life.

And the family have lost Reeva forever "

Yes, but a harsher sentence won't bring her back - all they can hope for is a level of closure, and that's what this does. All this eye-for-an-eye stuff, or sending people to prison does nothing to make the pain of loss any different I can assure you. The Steenkamp's are sensible people, and they understand this, clearly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Seems like everyone is happy with the sentence including the Reeves family"

Wrong word used but should have been ok instead of happy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Something in the region of ten years. Not exactly sure if the minimum/maximum sentence for culpable homicide are similar as in Scotland to what was an option in South Africa.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Something in the region of ten years. Not exactly sure if the minimum/maximum sentence for culpable homicide are similar as in Scotland to what was an option in South Africa."

What difference does the sentence make though? You'll still feel the same way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No sentence would bring her back, not sure what that proves?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No sentence would bring her back, not sure what that proves? "

It proves that getting over death is not about revenge, or bitterness. It's about closure and moving on.

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London


"Consider for a minute what the man has gone through since the night of the shooting. His mental state has been affected, he's almost bankrupt, he will most likely never be a professional athlete again, he has lost friends and he will have to live with what he did for the rest of his life.

And the family have lost Reeva forever

Yes, but a harsher sentence won't bring her back - all they can hope for is a level of closure, and that's what this does. All this eye-for-an-eye stuff, or sending people to prison does nothing to make the pain of loss any different I can assure you. The Steenkamp's are sensible people, and they understand this, clearly."

Firstly Not once did I say a harsher would bring her back and I never said anything about an eye for an eye stuff stop putting words in my mouth I was just pointing out the sympathy should be with the family not Oscar and what his gone through is nothing compared to what the family have gone through

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Consider for a minute what the man has gone through since the night of the shooting. His mental state has been affected, he's almost bankrupt, he will most likely never be a professional athlete again, he has lost friends and he will have to live with what he did for the rest of his life.

And the family have lost Reeva forever

Yes, but a harsher sentence won't bring her back - all they can hope for is a level of closure, and that's what this does. All this eye-for-an-eye stuff, or sending people to prison does nothing to make the pain of loss any different I can assure you. The Steenkamp's are sensible people, and they understand this, clearly.

Firstly Not once did I say a harsher would bring her back and I never said anything about an eye for an eye stuff stop putting words in my mouth I was just pointing out the sympathy should be with the family not Oscar and what his gone through is nothing compared to what the family have gone through"

OK take it easy - I used your comments and was commenting on the entire thread. I have sympathy for Pistorius and the Steenkamp family if the truth be known. He has a lot to live through as well. Like I said earlier, nobody wins.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Something in the region of ten years. Not exactly sure if the minimum/maximum sentence for culpable homicide are similar as in Scotland to what was an option in South Africa."

I think this is the issue whenever people talk about this trial. The justice system in South Africa is different to over here so sentences that we expect to be served here may not be the tariffs that judges in South Africa have to work with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If he genuinely believed there was an intruder in his house then I don't think he acted disproportionately. There were a number of questions though that made me wonder. I am surprised that he didn't just get house arrest. Justice in SA is very much loaded in the favour of black politicians, political hangers on, then celebs and finally ordinary folk like us. Had it been a politician he would have got community service. Someone like us would have been 20 years. I just hope he survives and doesn't come out with aids.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If he genuinely believed there was an intruder in his house then I don't think he acted disproportionately. There were a number of questions though that made me wonder. I am surprised that he didn't just get house arrest. Justice in SA is very much loaded in the favour of black politicians, political hangers on, then celebs and finally ordinary folk like us. Had it been a politician he would have got community service. Someone like us would have been 20 years. I just hope he survives and doesn't come out with aids."

Your post was going well until your bizarre ending about AIDS.

There have been reports of prisoners in the prison he's going to, making ready for him. He'll be very well looked after by all accounts, so your comment makes little sense and is inflammatory at best.

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London


"Consider for a minute what the man has gone through since the night of the shooting. His mental state has been affected, he's almost bankrupt, he will most likely never be a professional athlete again, he has lost friends and he will have to live with what he did for the rest of his life.

And the family have lost Reeva forever

Yes, but a harsher sentence won't bring her back - all they can hope for is a level of closure, and that's what this does. All this eye-for-an-eye stuff, or sending people to prison does nothing to make the pain of loss any different I can assure you. The Steenkamp's are sensible people, and they understand this, clearly.

Firstly Not once did I say a harsher would bring her back and I never said anything about an eye for an eye stuff stop putting words in my mouth I was just pointing out the sympathy should be with the family not Oscar and what his gone through is nothing compared to what the family have gone through

OK take it easy - I used your comments and was commenting on the entire thread. I have sympathy for Pistorius and the Steenkamp family if the truth be known. He has a lot to live through as well. Like I said earlier, nobody wins."

Ok fair enough but I don't have any sympathy for Oscar what's so ever maybe that's because I don't believe his BS story (in my opinion) but my sympathy is firmly with the Steenkamp family only but see where you coming from just don't agree with you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Something in the region of ten years. Not exactly sure if the minimum/maximum sentence for culpable homicide are similar as in Scotland to what was an option in South Africa.

I think this is the issue whenever people talk about this trial. The justice system in South Africa is different to over here so sentences that we expect to be served here may not be the tariffs that judges in South Africa have to work with. "

That's what I was trying to say maybe unsuccessfully lol. Even in the Uk the legal systems are not the same. So hard comparisons.

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London


"Something in the region of ten years. Not exactly sure if the minimum/maximum sentence for culpable homicide are similar as in Scotland to what was an option in South Africa.

I think this is the issue whenever people talk about this trial. The justice system in South Africa is different to over here so sentences that we expect to be served here may not be the tariffs that judges in South Africa have to work with. "

he could of got anything upto 15years in South Africa

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"OK take it easy - I used your comments and was commenting on the entire thread. I have sympathy for Pistorius and the Steenkamp family if the truth be known. He has a lot to live through as well. Like I said earlier, nobody wins.

Ok fair enough but I don't have any sympathy for Oscar what's so ever maybe that's because I don't believe his BS story (in my opinion) but my sympathy is firmly with the Steenkamp family only but see where you coming from just don't agree with you"

No worries, opinion divides massively on this one and rightly so - it's a tricky case to call on so many levels. I don't believe the killing was premeditated so therefore he made a mistake - albeit a really fucking big one.

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London


"OK take it easy - I used your comments and was commenting on the entire thread. I have sympathy for Pistorius and the Steenkamp family if the truth be known. He has a lot to live through as well. Like I said earlier, nobody wins.

Ok fair enough but I don't have any sympathy for Oscar what's so ever maybe that's because I don't believe his BS story (in my opinion) but my sympathy is firmly with the Steenkamp family only but see where you coming from just don't agree with you

No worries, opinion divides massively on this one and rightly so - it's a tricky case to call on so many levels. I don't believe the killing was premeditated so therefore he made a mistake - albeit a really fucking big one."

now that's an understatement if I ever read one lol

but I do get what you mean

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No worries, opinion divides massively on this one and rightly so - it's a tricky case to call on so many levels. I don't believe the killing was premeditated so therefore he made a mistake - albeit a really fucking big one.

now that's an understatement if I ever read one lol

but I do get what you mean "

If he planned to kill her, then I very much doubt he would have done it in his own house, or walked downstairs with her blooded body in his arms, or made a phone call to security in floods of tears etc!

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By *ptimusDMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Reeva's family may be the primary victims but they're not the only victims. Oscar's family are victims as well because they didn't shoot anyone but will suffer from this as well. I've got sympathy for all these people and in some ways for Oscar as well.

There's a very good reason why victims of crime are not asked to judge and sentence the accused.

Hence a court does this, and more often than not, all the victims will not be satisfied.

What is most important therefore is giving closure to the victims and helping them move on. And this also includes Oscar.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

House arrest ? Does this mean he has to wear a tag around his ankle. Won't he just go out and leave that particular leg at home ?

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London


"No worries, opinion divides massively on this one and rightly so - it's a tricky case to call on so many levels. I don't believe the killing was premeditated so therefore he made a mistake - albeit a really fucking big one.

now that's an understatement if I ever read one lol

but I do get what you mean

If he planned to kill her, then I very much doubt he would have done it in his own house, or walked downstairs with her blooded body in his arms, or made a phone call to security in floods of tears etc!"

never said he planned to kill her but I do think he snapped big time and when people snap all sense goes out the window for example remember that women who snapped during an argument with her boyfriend stabbed him and killed him in the car called the police said it was somebody else after road rage forget her name but my point is people snap and try and cover it up afterwards when they are thinking straight again

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London


"House arrest ? Does this mean he has to wear a tag around his ankle. Won't he just go out and leave that particular leg at home ? "

They will probably put it on his wrist instead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No worries, opinion divides massively on this one and rightly so - it's a tricky case to call on so many levels. I don't believe the killing was premeditated so therefore he made a mistake - albeit a really fucking big one.

now that's an understatement if I ever read one lol

but I do get what you mean

If he planned to kill her, then I very much doubt he would have done it in his own house, or walked downstairs with her blooded body in his arms, or made a phone call to security in floods of tears etc!

never said he planned to kill her but I do think he snapped big time and when people snap all sense goes out the window for example remember that women who snapped during an argument with her boyfriend stabbed him and killed him in the car called the police said it was somebody else after road rage forget her name but my point is people snap and try and cover it up afterwards when they are thinking straight again "

Tracie Andrews....I only know because she looked like a friend I had at the time who could also snap at any given moment

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By *exycleanerWoman
over a year ago

pontefract

when i was driving home at 9.30am the dj

on the radio said breaking news oscar has got 5 years in jail ,more in our bulletin later but ive no had radio on since x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm late to this thread so bear with me. . Has anyone mentioned what SA prison is like ? I don't know . . But i have heard they are a polarised version of modern south africa. . Harsh . . Corrupt . . Violent to the extreme. In a nutshell i see it like this . . Bloke acts a twat with a gun. . Shoots the love of his life dead. Shatters two families' lives . And his own. I'd guess a man who has had his life hasn't had it easy and learned to act the victim or lie through his teeth. Both families accept the sentence. He'll most likely be brutalised in jail. A lot. Because he's famous and is an easy target. Fair point or have a missed something ?

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

5 year maximum sentence, but with the possibility of only spending as little as 10 months in jail and the rest on house arrest. Open to appeal from either side, Oscars team probably will not appeal, but the prosecution side might.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm late to this thread so bear with me. . Has anyone mentioned what SA prison is like ? I don't know . . But i have heard they are a polarised version of modern south africa. . Harsh . . Corrupt . . Violent to the extreme. In a nutshell i see it like this . . Bloke acts a twat with a gun. . Shoots the love of his life dead. Shatters two families' lives . And his own. I'd guess a man who has had his life hasn't had it easy and learned to act the victim or lie through his teeth. Both families accept the sentence. He'll most likely be brutalised in jail. A lot. Because he's famous and is an easy target. Fair point or have a missed something ? "

Look at Rolf drawing pics for the masses

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By *corpiomanMan
over a year ago

harrogate

Maybe the judge should have got 5 years for her stupidity in finding him not guilty.

No Judge should have that amount of power, the case has been a farce from day she got murdered.

Mr Blade Legs does looks a bit feminine so hopefully John Mongrel will make him his wife ( Google, John Mongrel South Africa on youtube )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think he'l walk.... :p

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think they are a bit scared having to look after him in jail and keeping him safe and maybe if out its not them who will get the blame if he is hurt in some way ... as there some who will be looking to get to him for the fame and the money in jail as they know he has both.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think they are a bit scared having to look after him in jail and keeping him safe and maybe if out its not them who will get the blame if he is hurt in some way ... as there some who will be looking to get to him for the fame and the money in jail as they know he has both."

Was just watching sky news and they interviewed a South African journalist who has been looking into the court and prison system.

It was her opinion that there was no doubt that Oscar would get the VIP prison treatment.

She was also commenting on the defence team smiling after the verdict as they left court.

This would make you think their happy with the sentence so doubt they'll be appealing.

Was interesting to hear what she had to say.

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By *arehamMan
over a year ago

handforth

He could be out in ten months,how can that be right?.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"He could be out in ten months,how can that be right?.

"

Out of jail but not the end of his sentence, there is a period of house arrest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If he genuinely believed there was an intruder in his house then I don't think he acted disproportionately. There were a number of questions though that made me wonder. I am surprised that he didn't just get house arrest. Justice in SA is very much loaded in the favour of black politicians, political hangers on, then celebs and finally ordinary folk like us. Had it been a politician he would have got community service. Someone like us would have been 20 years. I just hope he survives and doesn't come out with aids.

Your post was going well until your bizarre ending about AIDS.

There have been reports of prisoners in the prison he's going to, making ready for him. He'll be very well looked after by all accounts, so your comment makes little sense and is inflammatory at best."

You obviously are not aware of the horrific overcrowding, AIDS and sexual violence prevalent in South African prisons. Group cells with up to 20 people in them, corrupt prison officers often turning a blind eye to assaults make rape an all took common occurrence in SA prisons. Even being in a holding cell overnight has had horrific consequences for a large number of men in SA. SA prisons are nothing like Porridge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If he genuinely believed there was an intruder in his house then I don't think he acted disproportionately. There were a number of questions though that made me wonder. I am surprised that he didn't just get house arrest. Justice in SA is very much loaded in the favour of black politicians, political hangers on, then celebs and finally ordinary folk like us. Had it been a politician he would have got community service. Someone like us would have been 20 years. I just hope he survives and doesn't come out with aids.

Your post was going well until your bizarre ending about AIDS.

There have been reports of prisoners in the prison he's going to, making ready for him. He'll be very well looked after by all accounts, so your comment makes little sense and is inflammatory at best.

You obviously are not aware of the horrific overcrowding, AIDS and sexual violence prevalent in South African prisons. Group cells with up to 20 people in them, corrupt prison officers often turning a blind eye to assaults make rape an all took common occurrence in SA prisons. Even being in a holding cell overnight has had horrific consequences for a large number of men in SA. SA prisons are nothing like Porridge."

Is this from your own experiences?

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By *corpiomanMan
over a year ago

harrogate

They should take his legs off him,throw them away and let the snake crawl until end of his sentence

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"They should take his legs off him,throw them away and let the snake crawl until end of his sentence"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They should take his legs off him,throw them away and let the snake crawl until end of his sentence"
Wow that's a nasty death really .. He should go into the main prison and do his time like others .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He was sentenced to 5 paltry years

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London


"He could be out in ten months,how can that be right?.

Out of jail but not the end of his sentence, there is a period of house arrest. "

house arrest is nothing really if you look into it, not like he would be confined to his home 24/7

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They should take his legs off him,throw them away and let the snake crawl until end of his sentence"

Yes of course they should

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

After this short sentence I bet the woman of South Africa are shitting themselves.

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But I bet they won't close the door when they do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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You obviously are not aware of the horrific overcrowding, AIDS and sexual violence prevalent in South African prisons. Group cells with up to 20 people in them, corrupt prison officers often turning a blind eye to assaults make rape an all took common occurrence in SA prisons. Even being in a holding cell overnight has had horrific consequences for a large number of men in SA. SA prisons are nothing like Porridge."

I am aware of the state of the prison system in South Africa - I'm also aware that money talks and that it has already been quoted by prison inmates in SA (and by me already on this thread) that Pistorius will be well looked after in prison by those inmates, and the gangs inside who are all ready to help him do his time unharmed in return for money, of which he still has more than the majority of them do.

You may well be right about certain aspects of prison life in SA, but I really don't think the same rules apply to certain people. Thanks for qualifying a little further on your earlier post by the way - initially it seemed like a very knee-jerk, throwaway comment so thanks for backing it up a bit more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If he genuinely believed there was an intruder in his house then I don't think he acted disproportionately. There were a number of questions though that made me wonder. I am surprised that he didn't just get house arrest. Justice in SA is very much loaded in the favour of black politicians, political hangers on, then celebs and finally ordinary folk like us. Had it been a politician he would have got community service. Someone like us would have been 20 years. I just hope he survives and doesn't come out with aids.

Your post was going well until your bizarre ending about AIDS.

There have been reports of prisoners in the prison he's going to, making ready for him. He'll be very well looked after by all accounts, so your comment makes little sense and is inflammatory at best.

You obviously are not aware of the horrific overcrowding, AIDS and sexual violence prevalent in South African prisons. Group cells with up to 20 people in them, corrupt prison officers often turning a blind eye to assaults make rape an all took common occurrence in SA prisons. Even being in a holding cell overnight has had horrific consequences for a large number of men in SA. SA prisons are nothing like Porridge.

Is this from your own experiences?"

Not direct personal experience but I've known quite a few people on both sides of the bars in SA prisons.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

It always upsets meet when the terms 'closure' and 'moving on' are used so glibly.

When you lose a child there is no closure, no moving on. You slowly develop coping mechanisms that allow you some respite, mechanisms that supress, mask, and make life bearable and worth living. Five, Ten years may pass, but the pain stays as strong as ever. For the rest of their lives not a day will go by without them thinking about her, and how they miss her.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have to love second hand experiences lol

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By *uby0000 OP   Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

well the judge HAD to jail him I think he got off lightly.. could have been up to 15 years ..... someone on the radio said there can be 12 men together so god help him

even if he didn't realise it was Reeva he shot to kill whoever it was judging from his aim

such a tragedy lives lost he will have lots of time to reflect for sure

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

he took someones life with a gun .. not an accident .. not a mistake .. not a plotted murder but still a killing .. he got off lightly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He may struggle to bend down for the soap ??

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

staffs


"well the judge HAD to jail him I think he got off lightly.. could have been up to 15 years ..... someone on the radio said there can be 12 men together so god help him

even if he didn't realise it was Reeva he shot to kill whoever it was judging from his aim

such a tragedy lives lost he will have lots of time to reflect for sure "

he got off according to the laws and sentencing of his country.

I have to say I watched most of the trial, read most of the SKYNEWS TV coverage and their tweets and came to this conclusion.

The prosecution had to concede to large parts of the defense evidence.

NEL, completely and utterly tried to use the prosecutions evidence to suit his version of events, he was completely misguided by the evidence collected and how it was secured by at best a dubious police service.(remember the original investigating officer was also under investigation)

""Hilton Botha, the detective leading the investigation, had crumbled under defence cross-examination on Wednesday after he wrongly claimed to have found boxes of "testosterone" in Pistorius's bedroom and admitted that police had no evidence contradicting the athlete's version of events.

On Thursday further pressure was piled on South African police as they admitted Botha is himself charged with attempted murder"".

Witnesses were shown to have no idea what Pistorius sounded like so the evidence over a women screaming was at best inaccurate plus Reeva couldn't have screamed due to the nature of her injuries. their recollection of time lines of events were grossly inconsistent as at the times claimed security was patrolling outside and around Pistorius's home and no screams or disturbances occurred.

and those that matched the defense versions were ignored.

Evidence was tampered with and not stored correctly or securely, eg The toilet door was left in a hall way for weeks uncovered. Personal possessions went missing such as one of Oscars watches.The scene was tampered with or changed.

That included Reevas jeans which in one pic were the wrong way out and in another the right way. Electrical items were unplugged and moved. the hall and bathroom light were both not working so it would be impossible to see into the pitch black room.

The defense forensic witness had far many years experience and had been in charge of the countries forensics, he was grossly more qualified than the prosecution witness, to the point of being able to recognise the patterns and structure of stone and wood.

He discovered injuries to Reeva that the states pathology had missed.

gun shots that were heard were conceded by the prosecution to be that of the cricket bat hitting the door.

Reeva had left her Valentine gift and card at the scene. this wasn't looked at by the prosecution.

A witness that had claimed to always sleep with their curtains open was found on many separate occasions to draw them.

The list goes on.

During Oscars young life while living with his mother the family would sleep in her room and she would sleep with and keep a pistol under her pillow as they'd experienced many break ins.

It was also demonstrated the He was on his stumps at the time of firing due to the angle of the shots, the shots didn't form a concise pattern as if firing at a range and remember firing such a powerful handgun when on stumps would have affected his balance.

The marks on the door and the fabric in the varnish and the striations caused could only occur with him wearing his prosthesis and the door upright as he claimed from when he went to retrieve the cricket bat and legs and as he attempted to break and kick down the door. You see there were foot prints on the door which were discovered to come from the detectives and those at the scene who repeatedly walked over the door as it lay on the bathroom floor crushing the various fibre strands and corrupting the evidence and as I said earlier the door was then stored in a hallway, just left laying up against a wall.

Nel, failed to secure a conviction of premeditated murder simply because and despite his best attempts to show Pistorius as an evil disabled man that the evidence just didn't stack up, it couldn't and never would show premeditation.

Again the prosecution had to concede many points including the timelines of more shots than were actually fired.

And don't forget that in the last week or so it was revealed that the Steenkamps have been receiving monies from Oscar sine her death and kept it Quiet?

"The parents of Reeva Steenkamp have been receiving secret monthly payments of 6,000 South African rand (£341) from Oscar Pistorius since her death, but have turned down a lump sum of 375,000 rand (£21,299) as “blood money”.

The cash transfers have not been made public over the past 18 months but emerged on Tuesday during the Paralympian’s trial, to the surprise of many in court. It was said the Steenkamps have promised to return “every cent” of the money sent by the man who killed their daughter."

Remember Reeva was the families source of income.

it was also revealed in court:

'Oscar is a very proud person'

Van Zyl said Pistorius sometimes used his own money to pay for other people's prosthetic legs.

"Mr Pistorius has always been a very proud person and he never wanted to let people know... that he is actually donating his own funds to help people make prosthetics," he said.

He was involved with charities like Reach for a Dream and the United Nations Children's Fund free of charge and at his own cost and time, Van Zyl said.

Pistorius also went into townships and helped get people to test their eyes.

He gave advice to parents who had children whose legs had to be amputated.

The court heard that in Italy Pistorius had an event for a young girl who lost both her arms and legs due to meningitis.

"He took it a step further by pushing this girl in a wheelchair for [a] five kilometre fun run."

Before the shooting, Pistorius was involved with a university in Glasgow to develop prosthetics that were more durable, cost effective and comfortable."

As much as you dislike or have jumped on the dislike bandwagon Pistorius didn't kill Reeva with premeditation.

they then have case law of indiv's not serving a prison sentence where there has been a killing in the home.

They also in South Africa

have a philosophy/system called Ubuntu which relates to redemption,

"At Nelson Mandela's memorial, United States President Barack Obama spoke about Ubuntu, saying, "There is a word in South Africa – Ubuntu – a word that captures Mandela’s greatest gift: his recognition that we are all bound together in ways that are invisible to the eye; that there is a oneness to humanity; that we achieve ourselves by sharing ourselves with others, and caring for those around us."

Which ever way you look at this case it's the most tragic of circumstances for all concerned. No one with his life, fears and up bringing could properly understand what went through his mind that night.

remember, Nel had all the tools available to secure a conviction for premeditated murder and he couldn't. The evidence wasn't just flawed it wasn't possible.

The Steenkamps have said they are happy with the conviction, Pistorius family have said he will embrace the decision.

Pistorius family are aggrieved in the way in which Nel played the case and his attempts to keep up the premeditation angle despite agreeing with the defense points from time to time.

As I watched the trial unfold both online AND Live on SKY NEWS and via Twitter( IT WAS ALWAYS DIFFERENT TO THE ACTUAL WORDS SPOKEN IN COURT) who seemed desperate to get a premed verdict were ultimately disappointed it was understandable Why the Pistorius family are holding this view.

During the case SKY had on there team a SA lawyer who loved the TV camera, his opinions whilst the trial was in progress were listened to like Moses handing down the commandments earned him a judgeship, but later had to back track on some of his opinions as the evidence unfolded in OP favor.

Of course You have to feel for the Steenkamps, they have lost a beautiful daughter and now they are going to struggle going forward.

They have been let down by Nel who's possibly promised far more than he could deliver!

Oh and I'm not a fan of or dislike Pistorius, I was intrigued by the SA justice system and as I had the time of the trial free I watched out of some morbid curiosity you know like you would and it just so happened that I found a new job just as he was being subject to the mental health checks. then some 6 weeks into my new role whilst traveling home I was hit head on at a combined speed of some 120mph and I was trapped in my car for some 3 hours, turned out she'd overtaken cars in front of her coming towards me and to do so crossed double white lines! I've been having flash backs of the incident thats put me here in the chair. and trust me when I say there's a considerable amount of fear as well! I'll say no more on that.

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

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"If he genuinely believed there was an intruder in his house then I don't think he acted disproportionately. There were a number of questions though that made me wonder. I am surprised that he didn't just get house arrest. Justice in SA is very much loaded in the favour of black politicians, political hangers on, then celebs and finally ordinary folk like us. Had it been a politician he would have got community service. Someone like us would have been 20 years. I just hope he survives and doesn't come out with aids.

Your post was going well until your bizarre ending about AIDS.

There have been reports of prisoners in the prison he's going to, making ready for him. He'll be very well looked after by all accounts, so your comment makes little sense and is inflammatory at best.

You obviously are not aware of the horrific overcrowding, AIDS and sexual violence prevalent in South African prisons. Group cells with up to 20 people in them, corrupt prison officers often turning a blind eye to assaults make rape an all took common occurrence in SA prisons. Even being in a holding cell overnight has had horrific consequences for a large number of men in SA. SA prisons are nothing like Porridge.

Is this from your own experiences?

Not direct personal experience but I've known quite a few people on both sides of the bars in SA prisons."

I understand that the Governor of the jail is somewhat angry at these comments about OP being looked after inside as it's the paid job of the guards to do that and it seems heads will roll! not literally I sure!

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

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"He may struggle to bend down for the soap ??"

interesting comment coming from a 'genuine' faceless individual?

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

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"It always upsets meet when the terms 'closure' and 'moving on' are used so glibly.

When you lose a child there is no closure, no moving on. You slowly develop coping mechanisms that allow you some respite, mechanisms that supress, mask, and make life bearable and worth living. Five, Ten years may pass, but the pain stays as strong as ever. For the rest of their lives not a day will go by without them thinking about her, and how they miss her."

good response, not trying to be flippant but watched the Mary Berry interview with Piers Morgan earlier and I'd no idea she'd lost one of her sons when he was just 19 and studying at Bristol, he'd taken his sister to pick up a newspaper one afternoon and had a car accident and died, his sister survived without a mark. even now after all the time that has passed she was tearful! it was very moving, her sentiments were exactly as you said.

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By *corpiomanMan
over a year ago

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Pick up the soap?? He's the right height to do you know what in the showers, looks like he's fucked either way, picking soap up or "stood up."

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over a year ago

Justice =

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