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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Following on from the breed of dog for a woman thread I thought i would air a particular bug bear of mine... And yes i realise it is late and for some alcohol has been taken so i am prepared to be publicly chastised..

Our neighbours Have a Puggle and other people have Labradoodles. As lovely as these dogs may be they are in my opinion Mongrels ie a cross breed. The money people pay for these supposed breeds is ridiculous.

The Kennel club do not regonise them as breeds so why do they demand such a high value...

And before anyone shouts and screams i would quite happily own what i would describe as a mutt......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1. It's trendy ?

2. Allergies ?

3. They like em ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"1. It's trendy ?

2. Allergies ?

3. They like em ?

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Totally see your point but 15 years ago you could not give mongrels away(metaphorically speaking) now people are paying £450 for them... Just seems like profiteering to me...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anything is only as valuable as what somebody is willing to pay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are only 6 natural dog breeds still alive all others are man made, it won't be long till the kennel club recognise such breeds as labradodles but like all the others they will still be man made there for mongrels

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My mother in law breeds them

they are simply Designer dogs or Design-a-dog

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Following on from the breed of dog for a woman thread I thought i would air a particular bug bear of mine... And yes i realise it is late and for some alcohol has been taken so i am prepared to be publicly chastised..

The Kennel club do not regonise them as breeds so why do they demand such a high value...

And before anyone shouts and screams i would quite happily own what i would describe as a mutt......"

I've always said this. Just can't see why they charge so much & are purposely messing with dog breeds to get 'designer' dogs. It's causing unnecessary ilnesses in these dogs. I remember when I was little if a dog got pregnant you had to just wait until the pups were born to find out what kind of mongrel they were! & to think there are so many mongrels sat in rspca places waiting to be rehomed & they go un loved. X

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Labradoddles and such like are not mongrels, they are cross-breads which are not quite the same thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mongrel - parentage either not known or very dilute (for instance puppy Winston is an out and out mutt lhasa x border terrier x jack x poodle)

Cross breed two known parents of differing pedigrees (pure bred) (old bitch jack X whippet). The labradoodle is in the process of becoming a recognised by the KC breed. I think that's official next year.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The Kennel club do not regonise them as breeds so why do they demand such a high value...

And before anyone shouts and screams i would quite happily own what i would describe as a mutt......

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Mongrel - parentage either not known or very dilute (for instance puppy Winston is an out and out mutt lhasa x border terrier x jack x poodle)

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they are regonised by the kennel club, but not as a breed and cannot be shown as such. They are only regonised for agility and obedience

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So what happens when you mate 2 labradoodles then. Surely they stop being a labradoodle as the Labrador and poodle is bred out of them??????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Our jackadoodle may be classed a mongrel and the £350 we paid for him may be looked upon as too much but we love him to bits and in the 2 years since a pup that we have had him we have come across many doodles but never a jackadoodle

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Our jackadoodle may be classed a mongrel and the £350 we paid for him may be looked upon as too much but we love him to bits and in the 2 years since a pup that we have had him we have come across many doodles but never a jackadoodle

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I am not saying they are not loved, they are a family pet so would hope they are.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Ok lets throw another ball in the air.. Are poodle breeds being exploited because of their non moulting, low allergy reputation to create adoodles to satisfy peoples desire to own a dog that has these qualities,but don't want a poodle...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what happens when you mate 2 labradoodles then. Surely they stop being a labradoodle as the Labrador and poodle is bred out of them??????"

They become what is called an F2 I believe? Apologies if incorrect. An F1 is when one parent is a Labrador the other a poodle, then when a labradoodle becomes a parent the pup becomes an F2, then F3 and so on down the line

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

I think the 'cute' factor plays a big part too.

Yet to see a 'Rott-a-doodle', a 'Pyrenean Mountain-a-doodle' or a St Bernard-a-doodle'.

We've had the same thing said about our GSD by alleged 'proper breed' dog owners as she's white. 'Inbred', 'not a proper GSD', 'ooh there's definitely some husky in there somewhere' and 'she'll have problems when she's older!'.

She's pedigree, KC registered and fit as a fiddle.

A walking rug, a pain in the arse first thing in the morning when slobbering in your face, daft as a brush - but we love her to bits and don't give a monkeys how much she cost or what others think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Labradoodles were developed to be Hypoallegenic to enable people that were allergic to have a dog. Not sure why they could just have s poodle or schnawzer (they also have the same non moulting properties as poodles). But I guess there was a demand for it.

I can see the point of the doodles range of creations. It's the others I see a just a pointless and jumping on the bandwagon.

I'm not even sure what a Puggle, something cross Pug I preseume. I guess I'm a purist as we've always had pedigree animals (cats & dogs) and with so many to choose from I dont see the need for this designer dog craze.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the 'cute' factor plays a big part too.

Yet to see a 'Rott-a-doodle', a 'Pyrenean Mountain-a-doodle' or a St Bernard-a-doodle'.

She's pedigree, KC registered and fit as a fiddle.

A walking rug, a pain in the arse first thing in the morning when slobbering in your face, daft as a brush - but we love her to bits and don't give a monkeys how much she cost or what others think.

White..And Black Alsations are no more likely to have Leg, Chest, Ear problems than any other colour, Up until recently they were put down by Breeders simply because they didnt have the "Classic" look so less profit to be made.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We've got a mongrel. He's a big "council estate special".

He looks like what many people might call a lurcher. He has a deep chest and a little waist. He's very muscular and powerful.

He cost me £50 and it's the best money I've ever spent.

He's giving me the "walkies" look as I type

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd question the value of a lot of breeds ahead of mongrels - Pitbulls etc?

I guess it's just individual taste and some cross breeds have healthier genes or less problems associated with one particular type of gene pool. You can get great quality dogs for under £1000, but a large portion of that pricing is just about what people are looking / expected to pay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok lets throw another ball in the air.. Are poodle breeds being exploited because of their non moulting, low allergy reputation to create adoodles to satisfy peoples desire to own a dog that has these qualities,but don't want a poodle..."
Saw his pic on gumtree and we weren't really looking and had never heard of a jackadoodle but fell instantly and the hair thing just an added bonus x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always wanted an Airedale Terrier but the prices I was quoted I could have bought a car

I bought a mutt instead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ive got a border collie,best pal I could wish for,,affectionate,loyal,very clever,super well behaved,and loads of fun.

needs lots of exercise but that's cool I love walking

their the best dogs for me personally ,love border collies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

people are mugs for paying that much for a mongrel.

i have a cross breed and she cost me 50 pounds.

next door have a labradoodlesproudcollievieller or what ever the trendy name is and its as thick as a brick

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

used to have a pitbull crossed with a lassie type dog.

after it had mauled you it went for help

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I chose all my dogs for how they would integrate with the family as a pet. I've had two bearded collies which are fun agile and bright as a breed, entirely suited to being with my kids.

My son has an eight year old labradoodle, best money I ever spent, he's the biggest softest daftest dog I've ever known but he suits my son right down to the ground. He has the agility of the poodle and the gentleness of the labrador and is just perfect as a family pet, In fact he's so soft he runs away from my tiny nine week old Scottish terrier pup when he yaps at him!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP this has made me smile because its a bugbear of mine to.

The names irritate me for starters, cockerpoo, labradoodle, springerpoo etc.

They are not pedigrees they are crossbreeds and therefore they should not be as expensive as a pure bred dog who has a written pedigree detailing its lineage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think they are as the poodle features heavily in all of this. Though I imagine the male unneutured poodle is loving it at the minute.

We will soon be beseiged by curly dogs

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I have 2 cockerpoos and I chose them because they don't shed hair.

As for the price, hey who cares.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lots of people are quite snobby about dogs.

The words mongrel and crossbreed does not sound quite as glam as a labradoodle and people will often describe their dogs with the pure bred names.

I agree that these dogs are lovely dogs and certainly easy on the dog hair cleaning etc, but breeders coming up with these interlinked pure bred names are merely doing so to enable them to charge more money without being able to offer a registration with tge kennel club and an unknown lineage.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

yeah....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally feel the KC need to toughen up with some breeders!. You are NOT a reputable breeder by having one litter of puppies, the KC puppy register is a sham anyone can really go on it. Inter breeding can cause major genetic flaws as can over breeding in a specific breed. I feel that to be a breeder that's regognised various tests should be carried out on the breeding dogs. My parents were in there day 'top' breeders however every dog was hip scored, eye tested, heart tested, tested for epilepsy. All our puppies left the kennels with breeding bans preventing new owners breeding for the sheer hell of it. A few bred which went against the ban the KC agreed yet they did nothing about it at all. One woman had two litter in the same year which is frowned upon as the dogs body does not have time to recover from the initial litter. Just because you see the parents pedigree does not make the dog 'safe' that's why every dog bred should be tested. If the KC did this then there wouldn't be so many designer cross breeds, or the KC would have to officially regognised them. But unfortunately many now see dog breeding as a way to making a quick penny.

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham

For me, I had a number of boxes I wanted ticked. Cute, quite small, non shedding, reliable temperament, loyal and very child friendly. There were some pedigrees that offered most of those - but at a price.

Then I saw someone selling Maltese terrier / lhasa apso cross puppies. Both those breeds had elements of what I was after so I thought a mix of both would make for a great little dog.

My little guy ticks every single one of those boxes so I'm happy and don't really care what other people think

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By *erbyshire BobMan
over a year ago

derby

The Kennel club do not regonise them as breeds so why do they demand such a high value...

And before anyone shouts and screams i would quite happily own what i would describe as a mutt......"

Designer Mongrels in my opinion.

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By *athnBobCouple
over a year ago

sandwell

adopt ... don't breed (or support breeders)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"adopt ... don't breed (or support breeders)"
. Because when you adopt you know what your getting right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a cute little Jug puppy. A great combo. Worth every penny I paid for her. Great company.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP this has made me smile because its a bugbear of mine to.

The names irritate me for starters, cockerpoo, labradoodle, springerpoo etc.

They are not pedigrees they are crossbreeds and therefore they should not be as expensive as a pure bred dog who has a written pedigree detailing its lineage.

but what is a pure breed? A labradodles is a mix of two man made breeds, labrador's are breed down from newfoundlands so how is it anymore a pure breed than a labradoodle?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The issue is not the origin of the dog, if we wanted to be pedantic about it then we could say that dogs originated from wolves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wasn't being pedantic I personally just do not see a labrador or a poodle any more or less of a mongeral or pure breed then a labradoodle as all breeds got here the same way, by the hand of man

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A Newfoundland is a breed registered by the kennel club, a labradoole currently is not, thereby the labradoodle is officially classed as a crossbreed.

I know what you are saying NN and I agree that many breeds have at one time or other originated from other breeds.

I find issue with fact that some breeders are charging and advertising these crossbreeds at extortionate costs when they cant ever issue that dog with a pedigree or a kennel club registration.

By all means buy these pups if they suit your needs and lifestyle, then great,.but dont try and pass them off as a pedigree dog when they are not.

It would be like buying a cubic.zuconia engagement ring at the same price as a diamond

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I think people should just leave well alone, there are so many breeds with deformation deliberately bread into them its the dogs that suffer just so people can get a desired look

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham

"Personally I think people should just leave well alone, there are so many breeds with deformation deliberately bread into them its the dogs that suffer just so people can get a desired look

That happens when the breed standard of a pedigree is taken to the extreme (such as breathing problems for pugs / English Bulldogs because of their unnaturally short muzzles). Maybe it's not a bad thing to mix the bloodlines up a bit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lots of people are quite snobby about dogs.

The words mongrel and crossbreed does not sound quite as glam as a labradoodle and people will often describe their dogs with the pure bred names.

I bought my labradoodle knowing full well he is a crossbreed, knowing he'd not be KC registered or a showdog. I bought him as a pet .... however I do know his lineage as both parents are pedigrees and KC registered so his health and well-being were certifiable at least.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

Its mental - I have two border collies - one bought as a pup for £150 and one bought fully trailed (as a 6yr old) for £300.

What my two actually 'do' for the money compared to some useless, fluffy dog that just eats and shits.....

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

"So what happens when you mate 2 labradoodles then. Surely they stop being a labradoodle as the Labrador and poodle is bred out of them??????"

They become a labradoodledoo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what happens when you mate 2 labradoodles then. Surely they stop being a labradoodle as the Labrador and poodle is bred out of them??????

They become a labradoodledoo"

And if you mate one with an Australian Labradoodle do you get a Didgereedoodoo.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its mental - I have two border collies - one bought as a pup for £150 and one bought fully trailed (as a 6yr old) for £300.

What my two actually 'do' for the money compared to some useless, fluffy dog that just eats and shits....."

Bit harsh, all because my dogs were bough as pets and not workers that does not make they usless eating, shitting machines

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

"Its mental - I have two border collies - one bought as a pup for £150 and one bought fully trailed (as a 6yr old) for £300.

What my two actually 'do' for the money compared to some useless, fluffy dog that just eats and shits.....

Bit harsh, all because my dogs were bough as pets and not workers that does not make they usless eating, shitting machines

I bought mine as a useless fluffy eating and shutting machine and to be fair he don't disappoint

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

Shitting *

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By *ussypussWoman
over a year ago

South Birmingham waiting for the bf to come back after crimbo

"Labradoddles and such like are not mongrels, they are cross-breads which are not quite the same thing. "

Call them cross-breeds or mongrels, they are exactly the same ... you don't get pedigree papers with them, so they really shouldn't command the prices they do

Earlier this year I bought a gorgeous show cocker puppy whose grandad won Best of Breed at Crufts a few years ago and I only paid about £50 more than a friend of mine had paid for a "sprocker"

Don't get me wrong, mongrels can be just as loving and loyal as pedigree dogs but as someone said previously, not too long ago you could get a mongrel for a tenner (if that), now they're fetching as much as the pedigrees

As far as I'm concerned, I've got a gorgeous dog who I can (should I so choose) take to proper shows (not just the village fete type where you can enter a dog for having a pretty face), with documented lineage which should we REALLY need to, could be traced back for numerous generations. My choice has always been for pedigrees both in dogs and cats, yes, each to their own but I will always agree with the OP ...

These 'designer dogs' are after all ..

JUST MONGRELS!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does it make a cocker spaniel x called a cocker doodle do , lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

These 'designer dogs' are after all ..

JUST MONGRELS!!!!!"

Only untill the kennel club recognise them then over night they will go from mongrels to pedigree dogs

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By *ussypussWoman
over a year ago

South Birmingham waiting for the bf to come back after crimbo

"Does it make a cocker spaniel x called a cocker doodle do , lol "

Exactly the point made by the OP and myself .. these names are just getting ridiculous and as such they are still mongrels.

I don't have any objection to someone saying that they have a cocker crossed with a poodle .. that's fine, it's giving them the stupid 'designer breed names' like a 'cockerpoo' ... sounds too much like a cockatoo to me and as we all know, that 'definitely ain't no dog!!!'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Labradoddles and such like are not mongrels, they are cross-breads which are not quite the same thing.

Call them cross-breeds or mongrels, they are exactly the same ... you don't get pedigree papers with them, so they really shouldn't command the prices they do

Earlier this year I bought a gorgeous show cocker puppy whose grandad won Best of Breed at Crufts a few years ago and I only paid about £50 more than a friend of mine had paid for a "sprocker"

These 'designer dogs' are after all ..

JUST MONGRELS!!!!!"
. I agree with the majority of what your saying about cross breeds, crazy prices by people who have little or no experience breeding dogs hence cross breeds. I'm very pro going to reputable breeders that have full pedigrees to buy dogs. I would like to point out to you though just because your dog has a pedigree history of champions doesn't mean your dog would be the same show quality. If your breeder told you at point of sale you were buying a 'show' dog then you have been miss sold!. You can NOT tell at 8/10 weeks when a puppy leaves if it's show quality. And even if he/she was the best thing since sliced bread if you took him to a open show (first stage to get tickets etc) you wouldn't win, as the judges don't know you!. More often than not now it's the person holding the lead who wins not the dog.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lots of people are quite snobby about dogs.

The words mongrel and crossbreed does not sound quite as glam as a labradoodle and people will often describe their dogs with the pure bred names.

I think its the labradoodle that the kennel club want to register as an 'official' crossbreed if you like, to try and monitor the breeding of these puppies

Certain dog breeds are more susceptible to certain disorders, hip dysplacia, eye conditions etc. If you breed two different pure bred dogs who are both susceptible to a similar

condition, then it becomes more risky for the resulting puppies.

Whilst information is known on how a condition can affect the pure bred, the same data wont be available on the effects on the crossbreeds because their DNA will be different.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Seems like i have opened a can of worm here...

I would like to say that i have spent my entire life in a family that owns dogs.

They are An English corgi, and Afghan Hound, a Long haired GSD, and the a Mongrel of mixed breeds unknown. These were all throughout my childhood. When my wife and i bought our house and knew the time was right we bought a liver and white english pointer, whose father had been best of breed at crufts, she was with us for just short of 13 years until earlier in the year when she got cancer and we had to have her put to sleep(worst day of my life)...The mongrel from my childhood was Bought from a Dog rescue place in birmingham for the princely sum of £20 as that was all my dad had on him as a donation for the rescue centre. She was bought home to the south coast in a shoe box on the front seat of the car.. The reason he got her was that the Corgi had died and the GSD was pining for her and not eating....

I personally think, having thought about this more, is that the likes of the Dogs Trust make it so difficult for you to actually rehome a dog that this has caused the rise of the popularity of the so called Designer cross breeds...Gone are the days when you could go to a rescue centre and say i want to give that animal a good home,donate 20 quid and bring it home 160miles on the front seat of a car...

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Labradoodles were developed to be Hypoallegenic to enable people that were allergic to have a dog. Not sure why they could just have s poodle or schnawzer (they also have the same non moulting properties as poodles). But I guess there was a demand for it.

I can see the point of the doodles range of creations. It's the others I see a just a pointless and jumping on the bandwagon.

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its a pug cross beagle apparently. To be honest it looks just like a pug. Our neighbours is a lovely dog though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

These 'designer dogs' are after all ..

JUST MONGRELS!!!!!

Only untill the kennel club recognise them then over night they will go from mongrels to pedigree dogs !-

No they wont. If the kennel club decide these dogs can be registered, it will be in a different category such as crossbreeds etc. It doesnt mean that just because a dog is registered, that it will become a pedigree.

If they are registered it will be to monitor and place restrictions on the breeders to ensure a level of appropriate breeding.

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By *adyGardenWoman
over a year ago

LONDON (se)

My brothe paid 900 for a pure bread kc registered king george spaniel. Crazy thing that couldn't sit still unless asleep.

Sady only had him 6 minths as ine day he came downstairs in the mkrning and he was lying dead on the kitchen floor. He had chocked on something

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agreed mongrels..... More fool them!

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By *ussypussWoman
over a year ago

South Birmingham waiting for the bf to come back after crimbo

"I agree with the majority of what your saying about cross breeds, crazy prices by people who have little or no experience breeding dogs hence cross breeds. I'm very pro going to reputable breeders that have full pedigrees to buy dogs. I would like to point out to you though just because your dog has a pedigree history of champions doesn't mean your dog would be the same show quality. If your breeder told you at point of sale you were buying a 'show' dog then you have been miss sold!. You can NOT tell at 8/10 weeks when a puppy leaves if it's show quality. And even if he/she was the best thing since sliced bread if you took him to a open show (first stage to get tickets etc) you wouldn't win, as the judges don't know you!. More often than not now it's the person holding the lead who wins not the dog. "

I understand exactly where you're coming from but there are a few things that I left out of my post.

In the past I have bred and shown dogs myself, both German Shepherds and Golden Retrievers but not spaniels. Also, my spaniel puppy is what is known as a 'Show Type' not the 'Working Type' (there are differences for those not in the know) and yes, there is no way of knowing whether any animal is going to be of 'Show Quality' when it is still very young, until it has been put through through rigorous training and tests before you can even 'try' them at an Open Show. Plus, I didn't actually have my puppy from the breeder until he was 15 weeks old, not 8-10wks as assumed.

In addition to this, I have also bred pedigree cats for over 20yrs and shown them for around 11yrs. Granted, cats and dogs are different but the principle is still the same. Can you imagine someone going out and buying a 'Persiamese' (my imaginary cross between a Persian and Siamese)? No way, it would be call a cross-breed or a moggie!

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

People give them a trendy name to trick people into parting with more money than they are worth. After all it is a mongrel, a heinz 57, a mix up.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

if the breeder had said a 'designer mongrel', I would have paid more...

fuckers...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No matter how much money you pay or whether your pup comes with a wad of papers really doesn't matter once you get home.

A family pet does not need "papers". The amount of love you bestow on him or her will depend on how good you are at helping to integrate them into you daily life.

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By *rsIdiotWoman
over a year ago

Bedworth

When you cross a bulldog with a shitzhu do you get a bullshit?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When you cross a bulldog with a shitzhu do you get a bullshit? "

They cross jack russells with shitzus to get jack shitz.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When you cross a bulldog with a shitzhu do you get a bullshit? "

Cross a Great Dane with a Cocker and you'd have a Great Cock

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No matter how much money you pay or whether your pup comes with a wad of papers really doesn't matter once you get home.

A family pet does not need "papers". The amount of love you bestow on him or her will depend on how good you are at helping to integrate them into you daily life.

well said that man

I have two dogs a labrador that I paid a lot of money for and a greyhound i took home for free because he wasn't upto racing standards so the breeders was going to drown him

do I love him any less because he has wonkey legs and less than perfect than I Iove my lab who is a perfect example of his breed, hell no they are both my boys and love them regardless as I would have if the greyhound was a full on mutt that I have saved and took home

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

it's all good....

I will mince round the park with my designer mongrel dogs looking my nose down at any supercilious kennel club owners who may be walking round the park looking their nose down at my mongrels...

there will be irony in there somewhere,

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