FabSwingers.com forum: Middleton and Clacton

By *luezulu OP Man
over a year ago

Suffolk

To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But you are in Birmingham

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

who in their right mind would vote for those nutters?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who in their right mind would live in Clacton

Liberal Gimp

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By *luezulu OP Man
over a year ago

Suffolk

"But you are in Birmingham "

And

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why would anyone even give UKIP the time of day?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense"

I'm afraid I don't know that it makes sense.

Why does it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense

I'm afraid I don't know that it makes sense.

Why does it?"

Because he's Nigel's brother? Oooo I do love a good quiz

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense

I'm afraid I don't know that it makes sense.

Why does it?

Because he's Nigel's brother? Oooo I do love a good quiz

Ah, you see now it makes sense, there's me thinking it was to do with fiscal policy, the regeneration of our urban heartlands and an all embracing community spirit.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

Expect UKIP and other right wing parties to do well in Middleton due to it being at the center of the Rochdale sex gang case . There is a lot of anger and suspicion locally towards the three main parties . With the cyrill smith allegations aswell as well can see the Libdems coming a very very poor last

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lol, there seems to be the red tories the blue tories and now the lunatic tories.

actually their all lunatics

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense"

I disagree but there you go..

are you a party member then..?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

It should be interesting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But you are in Birmingham

And"
you don't live in either area but you are quite happy for the people there to take part in a social experiment voting for a party with no track record and if it all goes tits up,they pick up the pieces and you walk into the sunset

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By *luezulu OP Man
over a year ago

Suffolk

"To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense

I disagree but there you go..

are you a party member then..?"

As it happens yes. we will agree to disagree then.

The country needs to change, I am of the opinion and belief, that this is the way forward.

I could make a list of things that I believe are unfair about being in Europe, and no doubt people would have different opinions on them. Both Labour and the Tories have gone soft on not only Europe but a lot of other things too. I wont mention the other lot because IMO they are insignificant and wont even be the 3rd party in a few years time.

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By *luezulu OP Man
over a year ago

Suffolk

"But you are in Birmingham

Andyou don't live in either area but you are quite happy for the people there to take part in a social experiment voting for a party with no track record and if it all goes tits up,they pick up the pieces and you walk into the sunset"

Read my above post. if it does go wrong, we will all be living where you live then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow - I suppose it takes all sorts !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a great platform for a party political broadcast... pisser ! I can see it now.."The swingers vote swung it", that will go down well with the locals

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ukip are racist bigoted nutters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ukip are racist bigoted nutters."
now now Niki, they are not all moderates

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't forget Farage is standing in Thanet South and very likely to win !!!

Also rumours of other MPs changing to UKIP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ukip are racist bigoted nutters."

Yes but I find it massively entertaining. At least the UKIP fox, as he calls himself, smiles

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense

I disagree but there you go..

are you a party member then..?

As it happens yes. we will agree to disagree then.

The country needs to change, I am of the opinion and belief, that this is the way forward.

Generally we cant all have everything just how we want it, perfect institutions and services etc don't exist in our societies..

so whilst there are many things no doubt about being 'in Europe' that are not fair, equally there are many that others will find either 'fair' or its how it is so lets see how we change it from within..

standing outside and shouting is not the way to influence anything in my opinion..

hey ho

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If UKIP win enough seats to put labour back in next election then there won't be a eu referendum so UKIP will have a reason to continue.

No matter what happens as a result UKIP cant afford a referendum

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"who in their right mind would vote for those nutters?"

Millions voted labour last time, so right minds must be quite thin on the ground.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"ukip are racist bigoted nutters."

Daily Mail, BBC, and Sky News propaganda swallowed whole I see.

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By *luezulu OP Man
over a year ago

Suffolk

"ukip are racist bigoted nutters."

Mikki, I am neither

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By *lactontogMan
over a year ago

Clacton on Sea

"Who in their right mind would live in Clacton

Liberal Gimp

Thanks lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gimp is a swing voter

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By *lactontogMan
over a year ago

Clacton on Sea

"Don't forget Farage is standing in Thanet South and very likely to win !!!

Also rumours of other MPs changing to UKIP

Douglas Carswell is a credible mp and was destined for an high cabinet job with the tories, until he joined UKIP I didn't take them seriously but now I can see lots of other tory mp's joining him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So referring to 'bongo bongo land'; stating women are 'worth less' in the workplace; stating that women are sometimes responsible for being raped, calling female members 'sluts'; inferring recent floods are due to the legalisation of gay marriage and stating that a high percentage of gay people are paedophiles, amongst many other choice comments don't make them racist and bigoted?!?!

Seems pretty clear to me what these people are about!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Gimp is a swing voter

Thats what the Judge said, well his actual words were i would like to see you swing from the Gallows... But i knew what he meant in his pretty blonde wig and fancy gown

Guilty Gimp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Don't forget Farage is standing in Thanet South and very likely to win !!!

Also rumours of other MPs changing to UKIP

Douglas Carswell is a credible mp and was destined for an high cabinet job with the tories, until he joined UKIP I didn't take them seriously but now I can see lots of other tory mp's joining him.

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the Tories need a good clear out. So do the other parties. Not much in the current gene pool worth talking Bout

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So referring to 'bongo bongo land'; stating women are 'worth less' in the workplace; stating that women are sometimes responsible for being raped, calling female members 'sluts'; inferring recent floods are due to the legalisation of gay marriage and stating that a high percentage of gay people are paedophiles, amongst many other choice comments don't make them racist and bigoted?!?!

Seems pretty clear to me what these people are about!"

is this their manifesto???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ukip are racist bigoted nutters.

Mikki, I am neither"

BUT THEY ARE! so why vote for them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ukip are racist bigoted nutters.

Daily Mail, BBC, and Sky News propaganda swallowed whole I see."

NO,,LOL you think id read the daily mail ,pmsl

you really cant argue they are a shower of racist, homophopic,misogynistic nutters.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense

I disagree but there you go..

are you a party member then..?

As it happens yes. we will agree to disagree then.

The country needs to change, I am of the opinion and belief, that this is the way forward.

Spot on there, and lots of people vote UKIP because it is the only anti EU party. Labour and the Lib dems both unashamedly pro-EU, and the tories "pretend" to be anti-EU, but we all know Cameron wants britain to stay in it.

I think UKIP have the clacton by-election in the bag with Doug Carswell, look forward to seeing him in the house of commons as UKIP's first MP. The 1 million pounds Arron Banks recently donated to UKIP after William Hague called him a nobody should also come in handy for the election campaign!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ukip are racist bigoted nutters.

Daily Mail, BBC, and Sky News propaganda swallowed whole I see.

NO,,LOL you think id read the daily mail ,pmsl

you really cant argue they are a shower of racist, homophopic,misogynistic nutters."
that doesn't make them bad people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it was David Cameron who recently said, about next years elections, that if you get into bed with Nigel Farage you will wake up with Ed Milliband, indicating that voting for UKIP will likely result in a Labour Majority - which would be disastrous for the country given the mess they left the last time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if you get into bed with Nigel Farage you will wake up with Ed Milliband"

I'd sooner stay at home with my wand and a packet of smarties.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense"

Please give me all the reasons why I should?

Im not eligible but id like to know why if I was

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I think it was David Cameron who recently said, about next years elections, that if you get into bed with Nigel Farage you will wake up with Ed Milliband, indicating that voting for UKIP will likely result in a Labour Majority - which would be disastrous for the country given the mess they left the last time."

The OP never mentioned next years general elections, this thread is about the by-elections in Clacton and Middleton. Besides i seem to recall the conservatives saying before the european elections a few months ago, a vote for UKIP will allow Labour to win. Complete rubbish as it turned out because UKIP won the european elections. If you do want to talk about next years general election it looks like the Lib dems are finnished. If UKIP do get a few MP's elected a conservative/UKIP coalition could well be possible to keep Labour out.

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By *imon_hydeMan
over a year ago

Stockport

Oh god keep politics off fab please. I want to fantasise about cocks, cunts and arses not vote for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Expect UKIP and other right wing parties to do well in Middleton due to it being at the center of the Rochdale sex gang case . There is a lot of anger and suspicion locally towards the three main parties . With the cyrill smith allegations aswell as well can see the Libdems coming a very very poor last "

This is so true & the campaign by UKIP has been massive! I could fill my recycle bin with the amount of leaflets I've received both via mail & hand delivered

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

We will both be voting UKIP at the next election.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I didn't think the guy who defected did so in a very nice manner, so it would be a no from me

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I didn't think the guy who defected did so in a very nice manner, so it would be a no from me

Which one, there have been two defections from the tories to UKIP.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"ukip are racist bigoted nutters.

Daily Mail, BBC, and Sky News propaganda swallowed whole I see.

NO,,LOL you think id read the daily mail ,pmsl

you really cant argue they are a shower of racist, homophopic,misogynistic nutters."

I always thought Cyril Smith was a Liberal.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"I didn't think the guy who defected did so in a very nice manner, so it would be a no from me

Which one, there have been two defections from the tories to UKIP."

the first geezer...

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I didn't think the guy who defected did so in a very nice manner, so it would be a no from me

Which one, there have been two defections from the tories to UKIP.

the first geezer..."

I haven't read through but I enjoyed listening to Reckless (his name makes me laugh everytime) committing to the Tories on the phone the night before his defection.

I fear these results but I am holding on to the thought they will only be there for 6 months before the general election.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The OP never mentioned next years general elections, this thread is about the by-elections in Clacton and Middleton. Besides i seem to recall the conservatives saying before the european elections a few months ago, a vote for UKIP will allow Labour to win. Complete rubbish as it turned out because UKIP won the european elections. If you do want to talk about next years general election it looks like the Lib dems are finnished. If UKIP do get a few MP's elected a conservative/UKIP coalition could well be possible to keep Labour out."

No, I know he didn't. My comment, though mentioning next years election, was intended to reflect a general point of _iew.

Will these seats be up for re-election in May next year?

If so, then the bi-election results will be pretty much irrelevant anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who in their right mind would vote for any politician? It does of course cut the options down.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I didn't think the guy who defected did so in a very nice manner, so it would be a no from me

Which one, there have been two defections from the tories to UKIP.

the first geezer...

I haven't read through but I enjoyed listening to Reckless (his name makes me laugh everytime) committing to the Tories on the phone the night before his defection.

I fear these results but I am holding on to the thought they will only be there for 6 months before the general election.

Funny how no one seemed to laugh at his name when he was a conservative MP??? Strange that, but anyhow you can hold onto the 6 months to the general election thought if you like, but i'd suggest its highly likely Farage will win his seat as an MP in the general election next year The trend of UKIP's position seems to be getting stronger and gaining momentum all the time, not getting weaker.

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By *luezulu OP Man
over a year ago

Suffolk

"To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense

Please give me all the reasons why I should?

Im not eligible but id like to know why if I was

Why not, the country needs a change.

Its my _iews, that we would better off out of Europe, its not the thing we joined in 1971, when it was just a trade agreement, they are eating away at our own sovereignty, laws are made in Brussels by UNELECTED commissioners, taxes are levied and we have no say in the matter.

The restrictions against us trading with our Commonwealth are unfair, the money we have to pay to support the failing economies of the likes of Spain, Italy, Greece etc is outrageous.

Immigration to this Country is a joke, we do not even have the power to control our own borders.

The rulings made in Strasburg when we want to deport know extremists and suspected terrorists is beyond belief. And cost the British tax payer millions to pursue

Extradition orders are overturned on a whim.

need I go on???

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I didn't think the guy who defected did so in a very nice manner, so it would be a no from me

Which one, there have been two defections from the tories to UKIP.

the first geezer...

I haven't read through but I enjoyed listening to Reckless (his name makes me laugh everytime) committing to the Tories on the phone the night before his defection.

I fear these results but I am holding on to the thought they will only be there for 6 months before the general election.

I didn't laugh at his name as a Conservative as he'd not made it onto the radar before.

If Farage doesn't win his chosen safe seat the party is sunk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense"

It doesn't make sense though it would send a message to the other parties.

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By *he Original TTMan
over a year ago

Brackley, Northants

Anyone seen my soapbox... I'm sure I left it around here somewhere.

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By *he Original TTMan
over a year ago

Brackley, Northants

"To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense

Please give me all the reasons why I should?

Im not eligible but id like to know why if I was

Why not, the country needs a change.

The restrictions against us trading with our Commonwealth are unfair, the money we have to pay to support the failing economies of the likes of Spain, Italy, Greece etc is outrageous.

Immigration to this Country is a joke, we do not even have the power to control our own borders.

The rulings made in Strasburg when we want to deport know extremists and suspected terrorists is beyond belief. And cost the British tax payer millions to pursue

Extradition orders are overturned on a whim.

need I go on???"

No. Please don't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense

Please give me all the reasons why I should?

Im not eligible but id like to know why if I was

Why not, the country needs a change.

The restrictions against us trading with our Commonwealth are unfair, the money we have to pay to support the failing economies of the likes of Spain, Italy, Greece etc is outrageous.

Immigration to this Country is a joke, we do not even have the power to control our own borders.

The rulings made in Strasburg when we want to deport know extremists and suspected terrorists is beyond belief. And cost the British tax payer millions to pursue

Extradition orders are overturned on a whim.

need I go on???"

You forgot the bendiness of our bananas...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if you get into bed with Nigel Farage you will wake up with Ed Milliband

I'd sooner stay at home with my wand and a packet of smarties.

Great idea! You seriously cracked me up with that comment

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By *inkerbella2Woman
over a year ago

Brackley

"To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense

Please give me all the reasons why I should?

Im not eligible but id like to know why if I was

Why not, the country needs a change.

The restrictions against us trading with our Commonwealth are unfair, the money we have to pay to support the failing economies of the likes of Spain, Italy, Greece etc is outrageous.

Immigration to this Country is a joke, we do not even have the power to control our own borders.

The rulings made in Strasburg when we want to deport know extremists and suspected terrorists is beyond belief. And cost the British tax payer millions to pursue

Extradition orders are overturned on a whim.

need I go on???

No. Please don't.

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By *plankyMan
over a year ago

Beeston

as a direct result of joining the EEC we have more meat in our sausages and more cream in our ice cream.

Clearly a future outside Europe would involve being makers and consumers of cheap poor-quality goods.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Labour win Middleton.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Hell will freeze over before I vote UKIP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm trying to decide whether death by Ebola would be preferable to waking up being governed by UKIP or a coalition of.

At least Ebola would attack me indiscriminately, not just because I'm not straight. :-/

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

"I'm trying to decide whether death by Ebola would be preferable to waking up being governed by UKIP or a coalition of.

At least Ebola would attack me indiscriminately, not just because I'm not straight. :-/"

I think I'd rather take my chances with Ebola. It would be a quicker death.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense

It doesn't make sense though it would send a message to the other parties. "

And that is EXACTLY Why it makes sense.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"as a direct result of joining the EEC we have more meat in our sausages and more cream in our ice cream.

Clearly a future outside Europe would involve being makers and consumers of cheap poor-quality goods."

We have more meat in our cheap sausages, and more cream in our cheap ice cream.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense

It doesn't make sense though it would send a message to the other parties.

And that is EXACTLY Why it makes sense."

There are better ways of protesting than voting for some of the nastiest, narrow minded, bigoted idiots in this country in the vain hope that they are any different. They're not, they just pandered to your petty fears and prejudices by telling you what you always suspected, that the polish family down the street caused your problems.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

Grant Schaps floundering on BBC news this just proves that a UKIP vote gets you ed miliband in Downing Street repeat ad infinitum completely ignoring the fact that his party is fucked . Stop scaremongering mr schaps and let us know what you are gonna do about it if anything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Time to despatch the house of peodo lords - me thinks

Gimp.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh god keep politics off fab please. I want to fantasise about cocks, cunts and arses not vote for them."

best post on here

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense

It doesn't make sense though it would send a message to the other parties.

And that is EXACTLY Why it makes sense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hello little boy/girl, I'm 'down' from the house of lords

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Heywood & Middleton result is much more worrying than the Clacton one. Carswell had the huge advantage provided by being the previous MP. May this be a wake up call to the Labour Party, who take their northern urban vote completely for granted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyway, Farage openly states he does not want UKIP to win an election. Now I read his only aspiration is to be in a coalition government.

Anyway he's back in the news again grinning like a Cheshire Cat with his newly elected first MP Douglas.

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By *carineMan
over a year ago

Armthorpe, Doncaster

I still cannot get over the irony of UKIP having such a colourful character as their leader...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense

It doesn't make sense though it would send a message to the other parties.

And that is EXACTLY Why it makes sense.

love that reply. They definitely play on people's fears. anyone that believes that they're a breath of fresh air needs to look at the amount of lies they spout themselves. not so different from other parties after all, are they?

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

Well done clacton you have made the ground breaking descision to re elect the same MP you have had for the last ten years !

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense

It doesn't make sense though it would send a message to the other parties.

And that is EXACTLY Why it makes sense.

Well you've just got to look at what happened during the Tory conference, when a Tory backer switched allegiance to the tune of a million quid. That's who makes policy and that's the real problem. The backers who expect monetary return for their investment.

Business, Lobbying, donations, 3 line whips need to be completely removed from politics. Being an MP should be your only job, you should be allowed to vote as you please and fund parties proportionately from taxes.

That's the only way things will begin to change.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

this..

would add that they have for decades perfected the divide and conquer methodology which has the vast majority of the country blaming each other for its ills whilst they cream off the top and have ridden the gravy train so hard the wheels have nigh on fallen off..

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Getting the same guy re-elected wearing a different hat doesn't seem much of an achievement.

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over a year ago

"Getting the same guy re-elected wearing a different hat doesn't seem much of an achievement."

Well I think it means that either people vote for the person they know, in which case if he'd joined any party he would have won. Or more likely that most of his Tory majority have moved to the right and become UKIP. Which is worrying if it's repeated next year.

Can we re-run the referendum, I want to change my mind!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Well done clacton you have made the ground breaking descision to re elect the same MP you have had for the last ten years ! "

and there is a good point... actually I may not agree with his politics but carswell is actually one of the better mps for campaigning for local issues in parliament....

hope much he will now be able to do in a "party of 1" so to speak will be really interesting to see......

for me the middleton result was the more scary one... 600 votes!!! if UKIP are seen as the challengers to labour in the north... the tories will get crushed... and you could see them winning a seat or 2...

I still think they wont win 10 seats in the next election... but you could see them winning 5...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely everyone on this site is Liberal....

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Getting the same guy re-elected wearing a different hat doesn't seem much of an achievement.

Can we re-run the referendum, I want to change my mind!"

Nope. Not for a lifetime.

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over a year ago

"Getting the same guy re-elected wearing a different hat doesn't seem much of an achievement.

Can we re-run the referendum, I want to change my mind!"

No you cannot, if you wanted independence you should have all fought harder at Culloden

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over a year ago

"Getting the same guy re-elected wearing a different hat doesn't seem much of an achievement.

Can we re-run the referendum, I want to change my mind!

No you cannot, if you wanted independence you should have all fought harder at Culloden

get yer facts right culloden was part of a British civil (and religious) war, many English people of the time supported the jacobite cause and many scots did,nt.

so there,,nah,nah,nah,nah,nah

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over a year ago

"Well done clacton you have made the ground breaking descision to re elect the same MP you have had for the last ten years !

and there is a good point... actually I may not agree with his politics but carswell is actually one of the better mps for campaigning for local issues in parliament....

hope much he will now be able to do in a "party of 1" so to speak will be really interesting to see......

I still think they wont win 10 seats in the next election... but you could see them winning 5..."

I can see you at the betting shop now!

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

No you cannot, if you wanted independence you should have all fought harder at Culloden

get yer facts right culloden was part of a British civil (and religious) war, many English people of the time supported the jacobite cause and many scots did,nt.

so there,,nah,nah,nah,nah,nah

More Jocks fought against Bonnie Prince Charlie than for him at Culloden

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i wonder if ukip sympathisers know of any other of their policies?

ukip are very good at hiding them,for one reason they dont have many,for another any sane person would laugh them out of the room.

we loose our right to maternity pay,most of your rights at work are E,U directives so their ideology denounces those on principle.

less tax for the rich,more for poor.

their stance on climate change is disgusting,in line with the right wing americans

UKIP ARE A BUNCH OF FUCKWITS!!!!

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over a year ago

No you cannot, if you wanted independence you should have all fought harder at Culloden

get yer facts right culloden was part of a British civil (and religious) war, many English people of the time supported the jacobite cause and many scots did,nt.

so there,,nah,nah,nah,nah,nah

More Jocks fought against Bonnie Prince Charlie than for him at Culloden

Very true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Surely everyone on this site is Liberal....

I wouldn't piss on N.C. If he was on fire

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Well done clacton you have made the ground breaking descision to re elect the same MP you have had for the last ten years !

and there is a good point... actually I may not agree with his politics but carswell is actually one of the better mps for campaigning for local issues in parliament....

hope much he will now be able to do in a "party of 1" so to speak will be really interesting to see......

I still think they wont win 10 seats in the next election... but you could see them winning 5...

I can see you at the betting shop now!"

nah... still waiting on a ukip supporter on here to bet with me they win 10 seats or more.... funny enough for all their bluster/convictions and "earthquake in british politics" talk they like to tell use.....none of them will take me up on it......

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense

It doesn't make sense though it would send a message to the other parties.

And that is EXACTLY Why it makes sense.

So if they're no different from any of the others, who will you be voting for?

And please, don't judge me by your narrow minded _iew of what you read in newspapers or see on the TV... a media which is, by and large, there to protect the establishment, for they have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.

And have you actually read their, or any of the others, constitutions? They are the only one of the (now) big 4 that if you join their party you have to sign a declaration saying you have never been in NF, EDF, BNP, etc, etc.

And have you seen the list of paedophiles, molesters and abusers from the other 3 parties?

I'm not bothered about the Polish worker down the road, if I was in a situation where I could have a better life in a different country, would I go? Too right I would. It's the system of immigration that is at fault. As is the system of Europe. As is our political system.

And pray tell, how would you vote to make a difference then?

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

That's the only way things will begin to change. "

I don't disagree with you in that one.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

And have you seen the list of paedophiles, molesters and abusers from the other 3 parties?

on the basis of 1 MP they are bigger than the half a dozen other parties with several sitting MP's..?

and what 'list'?

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

Be of good cheer you anti UKIP.ers. It will all end in tears...they are not the first, and won't be the last party, to claim they will change the face of British politics.

As ever the mantra resonates with a politically disaffected and apathetic voting public, and as ever will crash and burn because for all the hubris, they are a single issue protest party.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Voting for UKIP gets Paul Nuttall one step closer to abolishing the NHS.

If people want real change then they need to elect independents, not another political party.

Look at who your independent candidates are or look at the smaller parties. Someone who will represent your area and not their national political party.

That is how we can bring about real change.

There is no one more 'establishment' than Nigel Farage, despite the image he portrays.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense

It doesn't make sense though it would send a message to the other parties.

And that is EXACTLY Why it makes sense.

So if they're no different from any of the others, who will you be voting for?

And have you seen the list of paedophiles, molesters and abusers from the other 3 parties?

And pray tell, how would you vote to make a difference then?"

Could you post the list of paedophiles, molesters and abusers you mention?

Thanks.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"And have you actually read their, or any of the others, constitutions? They are the only one of the (now) big 4 that if you join their party you have to sign a declaration saying you have never been in NF, EDF, BNP, etc, etc."

They had to do this because their politics was attracting extreme people, it was actually happening. It doesn't happen with the other parties and so have no need for a declaration.

I'm surprised Carswell stood as a candidate, I thought UKIP would have told him to go back to Uganda.

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By *awkeye and HotlipsCouple
over a year ago

Takeley

Eric Clactons an MP? Looks like him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Be of good cheer you anti UKIP.ers. It will all end in tears...they are not the first, and won't be the last party, to claim they will change the face of British politics.

As ever the mantra resonates with a politically disaffected and apathetic voting public, and as ever will crash and burn because for all the hubris, they are a single issue protest party."

Agree with this. The UK Independence Party and Green Party are good examples. Both promised a revolution in British politics, and the media loved them for it, but where are they now. That said, I do enjoy watching the established parties having a little panic, so thanks to UKIP for that

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"The UK Independence Party and Green Party are good examples. Both promised a revolution in British politics, and the media loved them for it"

The Green Party don't get a fraction of the attention that UKIP get - the national media have a fetish for UKRAP that I can't explain.

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By *luezulu OP Man
over a year ago

Suffolk

The OP, sits, watches and smiles

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"The OP, sits, watches and smiles

i'm still waiting on a ukip supporter to take me up on my bet.... fancy it OP?

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over a year ago

"The OP, sits, watches and smiles

your mad

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"To all the people on here that are eligible to vote in these by elections

VOTE UKIP, you know it makes sense

It doesn't make sense though it would send a message to the other parties.

And that is EXACTLY Why it makes sense.

So if they're no different from any of the others, who will you be voting for?

And have you seen the list of paedophiles, molesters and abusers from the other 3 parties?

And pray tell, how would you vote to make a difference then?

Could you post the list of paedophiles, molesters and abusers you mention?

Thanks."

Labour Councillor (Northampton/Northamptonshire), and former School Governor, Alec Dyer-Atkins – Convicted and jailed for 2 years for downloading more than 42,000 pictures and films described in court as “Horrifying images of child abuse”. Dyer-Atkins was a member of an international paedophile ring called `The Shadows Brotherhood`.

Tory Party General election candidate, Michael Powell - Convicted and jailed for 3 years for downloading hardcore child porn.

. Tory Party Councillor (Wickbar/Bristol) Roger Talboys - Convicted and jailed for 6 years for multiple sex attacks on children.

. Tory Party Vice-Chairman of Welsh Conservatives, Andrew Baker - Received a banning order for stalking women.

. Tory Party MP (Billericay) Harvey Proctor - Stood trial for sex offences of a sado-masochistic nature against teenage boys, and was forced to resign.

. Tory Party Councillor ( Stratford-upon-Avon ) Christopher Pilkington - Convicted of downloading hardcore child porn on his PC.

. Tory Party councillor ( Coventry ), Peter Stidworthy - Charged with indecent assault of a 15-year old boy.

. Tory Party Mayor ( North Tyneside ), Chris Morgan - Forced to resign after being arrested twice in 2 weeks, for indecent assault on a 15-year old girl, and for suspicion of downloading child porn.

. Tory Party MEP, Tom Spencer - Caught smuggling drugs and porn through customs.

. Tory Party councillor and former Mayor (Wrexham), Michael Morris - Convicted and put on probation for 2 years, for the indecent assault of another man, which was captured on CCTV.

. Tory Party Liaison Manager on the London Assembly, Douglas Campbell, who’s job includes running the Tory GLA website - Arrested for allegedly downloading child porn.

. Labour Councillor (Newton Aycliffe) Martin Locklyn - Convicted and jailed for 15 years for sexually abusing 3 14-year-old boys.

. Labour Councillor (North Lincolnshire) David Spooner - Convicted and jailed for 1 year for masturbating in front of 2 young boys.

. Labour Mayor (Westhoughton/Lancashire) Nicholas Green - Convicted and jailed for 10 years for 3 rapes and 13 counts of indecent assault against little girls between the age of 6 and 10. He raped one woman on her wedding day.

. Labour Mayor (Todmordon) John Winstanley - Convicted and jailed for rape and threats to kill. After raping and threatening to kill his terrified victim, Winstanley then ordered the woman to go on all fours before urinating on her.

. Prominent Labour Party activist Mark Tann (who has met Tony & Cherie at Party functions)- 15-year sentence for raping a 4-year old girl on 2 separate occasions.

. Labour Parliamentary Candidate (Reading East) Tony Page - 2 Convictions for Acts of Gross Indecency` in public toilets.

. Labour Mayor (Burnley) Mark Swainston - Convicted of sex offences in public toilet.

. Entire Labour Party conspired to conceal the activities of Labour Party activist and serial child-molester Mark Trotter, who died before he could be convicted.

. Labour Councillor (North Yorkshire) Raymond Coats - Court appearance for indecently assaulting a woman.

. Labour Councillor (Manchester), George Harding - Charged with indecent assault on a girl of 12.

. Labour Councillor (Durham), Derrick Payne - Arrested by Police following a sex attack.

. Labour MP, Joe Ashton - Caught up in a Police raid while frequenting a brothel. Tried to lie his way out of the scandal.

. Labour Councillor (Shropshire), Derek Woodvine - Arrested by Police in anti-porn operation.

. Labour Councillor (Basildon), Tony Wright - Forced to resign after being caught using his council computer to download porn.

. Labour MP (Sheffield), Clive Betts - Suspended from Parliament for 7 days after being caught forging immigration papers to extend the stay of his Brazilian rent-boy gay lover.

?* Senior clerk Phillip Lyon, who arranged the weekly Prime Minister’s Question Time for Tony Blair, was arrested after vice cops raided his Commons office. making indecent images of children.?

Former Mayor of Hebden Royd, Stewart Brown, arrested on suspicion of child porn offences.

Labour Councillor and Deputy Council Leader (Northumberland), John Whiteman, who was also a senior member of the local police authority – Convicted and fined in 2002 for soliciting a prostitute in the red light district of Middlesbrough.

?Labour Councillor (Stoke/Staffordshire), Michael Barnes, seven different charges relating to child pornography

Labour Councillor (Durham), Derrick Payne – Arrested by Police following a sex attack

Labour Councillor and former Mayor (Halton/Cheshire), Liam Temple - Convicted of `Inciting a child under 16 to commit an act of gross indecency

Labour Councillor (Coxhoe/Durham), Les Sheppard – Convicted on ten counts of indecent assault on young girls. Jailed for 2 years, and placed on the sex offenders register for 10 years. After his arrest, he told police “I love women, but you do things which you regret”. Sheppard’s `women` victims were between 9 and 13 years old.

Yusef Azad –Resigned from his 60K-plus a year job `assisting` Assembly members, after being arrested on suspicion of downloading child porn.

?Labour Councillor (Wokingham/Berkshire), Nelson Bland – Convicted on 16 counts of possession and distribution of hardcore child porn.

Labour Councillor and Mayor-Elect (Merton/London), Sam Chaudry – Due to become Merton’s first Asian Mayor, before he was arrested, tried and convicted of multiple sex attacks on young girls. One of his victims was a 5-year old.

Labour Councillor (Halton/Leeds), Lee Benson – Convicted after pleading guilty on 12 counts of possession of indecent images of children, featuring youngsters between the ages of 5 and 11.

Labour Councillor (Bridgend/South Wales), Iestyn Tudor Davies – Convicted, jailed for 7 years, and placed on the sex offender’s register for life for repeatedly raping a 9-year old girl

?Labour Councillor (Newham/London), Greg Vincent, who was the Election Agent to Labour MP Tony Banks at the 2001 General Election – Convicted and given a 2-year community rehabilitation order for possession of hardcore kiddie porn films and photos, featuring children as young as 8. One of the photos the Labour Councillor found so entertaining, featured – as described in court – a girl aged around 10, naked except for a dog-collar, being assaulted and abused while her hands were tied behind her back around a beam. Vincent was also a School Governor

Prominent Edinburgh Labour party activist and election candidate, Rab Knox - Convicted and jailed for 3 years for a horrific sex attack on a woman passenger in his taxi cab.

Labour Party Official (North West England Regional Officer, and parliamentary adviser to the Home Office Minister responsible for crime and policing, Hazel Blears), Peter Tuffley – Convicted and jailed for 15 months and placed on the sex offenders register for 10 years in 2006, for the sexual molestation of a 13-year old boy that he had previously `groomed` on the internet. Tuffley was described as a `rising star` within the Labour Party.

?Labour Councillor (Hornchurch/Essex), Alan Prescott, who was also a senior magistrate – Convicted and jailed for 2 years for molesting children at the East London care home where he was the superintendent.

?Labour Parliamentary candidate (Cheadle/Cheshire), Paul Diggert – procurement of underage girls for sexual purposes via internet chatrooms.

?Labour Councillor (Dagenham/London), Terry Power – Forced to resign after being arrested and charged with sex attacks on teenage boys.

Labour Councillor (Westlands/Worcestershire), Keith Rogers – Convicted, fined, and placed on the sex offender’s register after downloading over 2,000 hardcore child porn photos on his computer

Labour councillor Ex-Paston councillor Gilbert Benn (48) five-year jail sentence for molesting an 11-year-old boy and threatening the youngster’s mother in a bid to cover his tracks.

Former Children’s Minister and prior to that, chair of the Campaign For Civil Liberties Harriet Harmann while in CCL, collaborated with the Pedophile Information Exchange and another pedophile activist groups in a campaign to decriminalise/legalise child pornography.

And, if course. Cyril Smith...

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over a year ago

"So if they're no different from any of the others, who will you be voting for?

And have you seen the list of paedophiles, molesters and abusers from the other 3 parties?

And pray tell, how would you vote to make a difference then?"

Where to start......

Well you like the system that allows people to seek a better life in other countries, while at the same time hating the system that allows people to seek a better life in other countries. That's an unusual stance.

No I haven't seen the list of people in the three main parties who are PROVED molesters, abusers and peadophiles. Because if they were PROVED, I'm sure they wouldn't be in the parties now. Or do you know something I don't?

I will vote Green Party, because their policies most closely match my stance at the moment. But I don't think my vote will bring about change as I described it earlier.

The only way to do that is for action by the entire country that hurts the wallets of the people who run things, and threaten the status quo. I'd suggest something like a national sick day. Where everyone in the private sector calls in sick. Just once a month. Everyone stay at home, don't go to the supermarket or spend any money. Threaten their bottom line and things will change. Do that once a month for a few months and see what happens.

I've always wondered why no terrorist organization has ever phoned in multiple bomb threats for bridges on the M25 on a Monday morning rush hour. They wouldn't actually need to plant a device. Just close bits off for an hour. Gridlock most of London, threaten productivity. Then they'd get a reaction. That's how you hurt them, threaten productivity.

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By *luezulu OP Man
over a year ago

Suffolk

"The OP, sits, watches and smiles

i'm still waiting on a ukip supporter to take me up on my bet.... fancy it OP?

Whats the bet Fabio

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"The OP, sits, watches and smiles

i'm still waiting on a ukip supporter to take me up on my bet.... fancy it OP?

Whats the bet Fabio"

I would normally say 10 mp's... but I am feeling generous

there are 650 mp's in parliament... i don't think ukip will win 1% of those members....

so ukip won't have 7 or more mp's in the next parliament after the general election....

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By *luezulu OP Man
over a year ago

Suffolk

"The OP, sits, watches and smiles

i'm still waiting on a ukip supporter to take me up on my bet.... fancy it OP?

Whats the bet Fabio

I would normally say 10 mp's... but I am feeling generous

there are 650 mp's in parliament... i don't think ukip will win 1% of those members....

so ukip won't have 7 or more mp's in the next parliament after the general election...."

Here is what I will do.

If UKIP dont win 7 seats at the next General Election, I will pay £20 to the Charity of your choice.

If they do win 7 seats, you will sponsor me for the same amount on my Charity bike ride in aid of blood cancer research, that is taking place in Birmingham next September

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The chances of UKIP making serious inroads in the system are, at present slim, mainly because a lot of their 'supporters' will probably not get off their arses and go to vote!

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By *luezulu OP Man
over a year ago

Suffolk

"The chances of UKIP making serious inroads in the system are, at present slim, mainly because a lot of their 'supporters' will probably not get off their arses and go to vote!"

Quite a few did yesterday, which is why this thread is still going

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"The OP, sits, watches and smiles

i'm still waiting on a ukip supporter to take me up on my bet.... fancy it OP?

Whats the bet Fabio

I would normally say 10 mp's... but I am feeling generous

there are 650 mp's in parliament... i don't think ukip will win 1% of those members....

so ukip won't have 7 or more mp's in the next parliament after the general election....

Here is what I will do.

If UKIP dont win 7 seats at the next General Election, I will pay £20 to the Charity of your choice.

If they do win 7 seats, you will sponsor me for the same amount on my Charity bike ride in aid of blood cancer research, that is taking place in Birmingham next September"

that is fair.... I'll take you up on that.....

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Labour win Middleton.

Only just by the skin of their teeth. There had to be a re-count as it was so close. UKIP came from no where in middleton with 2% of the vote last time, this time shooting up to 39% of the vote, only losing by a mere 600 votes. Another couple of days campaigning and UKIP would've won that seat. UKIP are now the official opposition to Labour in the north. As Farage said if you vote conservative north of birmingham you get Labour.

Nothing like playing the tories at their own game. Some 3000 people voted tory in middleton, if just 700 of those had switched to UKIP, then UKIP would've won.

As for Carswell in Clacton, he increased his share of the vote from before, also picking up Labour votes, aswel as conservative. Carswell seat for UKIP now looks safe for the general election next year. Onward and upward for UKIP from here!

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"So if they're no different from any of the others, who will you be voting for?

And have you seen the list of paedophiles, molesters and abusers from the other 3 parties?

And pray tell, how would you vote to make a difference then?

Where to start......

I will vote Green Party, because their policies most closely match my stance at the moment. But I don't think my vote will bring about change as I described it earlier.

Where on earth did I say I like the system of immigration? But now you've mentioned it, let's take the Australian system... they decide, each year. what SKILLS the country needs, anyone who wishes to emigrate to Australia has to have the correct skills, experience and qualifications, they have to pass a rigorous medical, they have to pass a 3 hour English Exam, written and verbal, you gave to get a certain amount of points to be OFFERED a place in Australia by the Australian Government; and when you get to Australia there is no help from the state for housing, health or benefits until you have a work record. And guess what? If you have a criminal record, you won't get in, and if you get one when you're there you'll more than likely be deported.

So, you slate me for saying that I'll vote for UKIP to try and effect change, yet you know your vote will not change anything. The way you suggest effecting change is for everybody in work in the private sector ( why not everyone in the public sector as well?) to go sick on the same day every month... who will that hurt? oh, the working people who call in sick and will lose a day's pay, some of which no doubt will lose their jobs, but not one unemployed person will lose out....

Great idea...

And with regard to the abusers and paedophiles, I put a list up... you're correct, they're no lo.ger in their respective parties, so I guess that means it's ok? and what about the liberal party, as well as the rest of the establishment, covering up and denying Cyril Smith?

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Labour win Middleton.

Nothing like playing the tories at their own game. Some 3000 people voted tory in middleton, if just 700 of those had switched to UKIP, then UKIP would've won.

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except car swell won't be contesting the general election next year the UKIP chap who had been chosen before carswell jumped ship will contest Clacton carswell will be elsewhere ! For a true test of ukips popularity lets see how they fair at the next bi election where there latest turncoat is not half as popular with the local electorate

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over a year ago

There, you said it above. Read it.

" Where on earth did I say I like the system of immigration? But now you've mentioned it, let's take the Australian system... they decide, each year. what SKILLS the country needs, anyone who wishes to emigrate to Australia has to have the correct skills, experience and qualifications, they have to pass a rigorous medical, they have to pass a 3 hour English Exam, written and verbal, you gave to get a certain amount of points to be OFFERED a place in Australia by the Australian Government; and when you get to Australia there is no help from the state for housing, health or benefits until you have a work record. And guess what? If you have a criminal record, you won't get in, and if you get one when you're there you'll more than likely be deported.

Great idea...

So what you're saying is that you're not actually willing to do anything to effect change other than vote and bitch and whine. Which will do fuck all, as I've already pointed out the system is broken, so voting UKIP will do nothing but perpetuate that. I'd be prepared to lose a days pay to make real change.

And I deliberately said private sector so that people didn't jump on going "what about nurses, police blah blah blah" and getting their knickers in a twist. My Sick Day idea would only work if everyone or a majority participated. And for that reason would never work as people like you would be too scared. Was only using it as illustration of the only way you will ever get real change, it's called revolution. Albeit by pacifism or civil disobedience.

and I still can't quite work out what you're getting at with the peadophiles nonsense, and it is nonsense. Are you saying that all members of the 3 main parties are sex criminals and that all their crimes get covered up? Are you suggesting that there is a higher propensity for sex crimes if you are con/lab/LD? Anyway, if you have evidence tell the police rather than making general accusations about people.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

And where did I say I like the system? I actually said the system is at fault.

And did I say I am scared of your idea if everybody taking one day a month off? No, I don't believe I did. However, good for you if you can afford to take a day off every month to try to effect change, a lot of people less fortunate than yourself can't. But, hey, that doesn't matter, does it? But you say you didn't mention anything about public sector people doing the same so that people wouldn't, effectively, gave a go about it... wow, you should be in politics, because that's exactly the sort of things politicians do... not tell people the whole facts story....

And no, I don't think all politicians lib, tories, labour, etc are paedophiles or abusers; but you, however do think UKIP, and anyone that bites for them, are racists, bigots, etc etc... also I don't have to report any of the names I mentioned to the police, as they're all a matter if public record with the police already...

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

The Australian system of immigration has been to slaughter and kill the indigenous people, ostracise them from political life and make them a small minority in their own country by making or encouraging our own people to colonise.

Yes, that was done by us Brits, that's the style of immigration we like - so long as we're doing it to others and not having it done to us!

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"The Australian system of immigration has been to slaughter and kill the indigenous people, ostracise them from political life and make them a small minority in their own country by making or encouraging our own people to colonise.

Yes, that was done by us Brits, that's the style of immigration we like - so long as we're doing it to others and not having it done to us!"

Sorry, was it the British or the Australians? I'm talking about the here and now, not 200 years ago.....

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

That's the only way things will begin to change. "

Jodie, Douglas Carswel said exactly the same thing in his victory speech at 2.30am, i stayed up to watch it last night. Have you bothered to actually listen to what he had to say?

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

Breaking news Farage will not be standing in Thanet South in the next General election. So confident is he, and unlike politicians from other parties who target 'safe' constituencies, he will be contesting the Rhondda seat in South Wales.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

That's the only way things will begin to change.

Jodie, Douglas Carswel said exactly the same thing in his victory speech at 2.30am, i stayed up to watch it last night. Have you bothered to actually listen to what he had to say?

Saying that whips should be removed from politics and MP's should be allowed to vote in the commons how they see fit, is what Carswel said in his inter_iews with the BBC and Sky news just after it was announced he had won. Was one of the key factors in his decision to leave the tories and join UKIP. Recurring theme in his victory speech and inter_iews was change, change, change for British politics. The status quo needs to go.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Yes, that was done by us Brits, that's the style of immigration we like - so long as we're doing it to others and not having it done to us!

Sorry, was it the British or the Australians? I'm talking about the here and now, not 200 years ago....."

It was the Britons who colonised it!

Yesterday is history too... the argument does not stop and start since EU immigration, it can extend to British attitudes to foreigners for generations and British attitudes of superiority over other peoples.

I like to think of our more recent immigration as Karma, it has come calling.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And where did I say I like the system? I actually said the system is at fault.

And you'd make a good politician because you are clearly into spin.

What you wrote says that you are happy the hypothetical Polish family took advantage of the immigration system, by implication, because you would if you could if you were in the same situation.

All I was trying to do was suggest a better way of trying to affect the sort of political change I described in my original post. Purely hypothetical. It wasn't a complete plan, ready to be unleashed on the public in a social media storm. But feel free to pick holes if you like. I was simply suggesting a better way of protesting than sending us back to the 1950s with all the lovely xenophobia, bigotry and hate that entails. Because as I said before, you are merely voting to perpetuate the same system, with the same people financially backing the same idiots.

And yes, if you're into UKIP then you are clearly all of the above. As well as stupid. I missed that one out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's the only way things will begin to change.

Jodie, Douglas Carswel said exactly the same thing in his victory speech at 2.30am, i stayed up to watch it last night. Have you bothered to actually listen to what he had to say?

Lol, yeah I'm sure he meant it. Had his fingers crossed did he? Better ask that ex tory donor who just gave them a million what he thinks.

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

"The Heywood & Middleton result is much more worrying than the Clacton one. Carswell had the huge advantage provided by being the previous MP. May this be a wake up call to the Labour Party, who take their northern urban vote completely for granted. "

The total amount of Labour votes was slightly up on the last election for a reduced turnout. Presumably there was a large spread of other parties and votes that together allowed UKIP to make the gains they did? Tory and Lib voters?

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

I did not write that I'm happy with the hypothetical polish family.... what I said was that if I was in their situation, and I could go elsewhere for a better life, I would do... and I also said that it is the immigration system that is at fault.... it us not the fault of individuals who use that system to their advantage.

And what makes you think that UKIP is bigoted and xenophobic? They are not against immigration carte blanche,and neither are they racist. And for you to accuse me of xenophobia and bigotry, as well as being stupid? I find your comments really offensive... I employ people that are not British by birth, that have come to this country to make a better life for themselves. I they are, however, all skilled people, skills that few British people have now due to decades of industry not training people in key skills.

And get this one, I know at least a dozen asian people that vote UKIP... are you also saying that they are xenophobic, bigoted, and stupid? maybe you also think they are racists and homophobic too?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"......

And get this one, I know at least a dozen asian people that vote UKIP... are you also saying that they are xenophobic, bigoted, and stupid? maybe you also think they are racists and homophobic too? "

Yes.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"......

And get this one, I know at least a dozen asian people that vote UKIP... are you also saying that they are xenophobic, bigoted, and stupid? maybe you also think they are racists and homophobic too?

Yes."

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"And get this one, I know at least a dozen asian people that vote UKIP... are you also saying that they are xenophobic, bigoted, and stupid? maybe you also think they are racists and homophobic too? "

if the cap fits..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If there was ever a reason to vote Green ...

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"If there was ever a reason to vote Green ..."

I was thinking that this morning.

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By *r-Cum-AgainMan
over a year ago

Whitefield

"So if they're no different from any of the others, who will you be voting for?

And have you seen the list of paedophiles, molesters and abusers from the other 3 parties?

And pray tell, how would you vote to make a difference then?

Where to start......

I will vote Green Party, because their policies most closely match my stance at the moment. But I don't think my vote will bring about change as I described it earlier.

I absolutely agree with every word you said then that is exactly my thinking thank you for expressing that better than I could you get my vote

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Much as I like Farage the reality for me is I value the wellbeing of this country above new experiments in democracy. And I say that because if you vote for UKIP its another step closer to No 10 for Milliband and Balls. And that prospect SERIOUSLY frightens me! Anyone who can forget to mention the Economy in a conference closing speech is not fit for the job.

Having said that the good people of Clacton and Middleton gave both the Tories and Labour severe electoral bloody noses. But then that is what a by-election is for: Dish out a smacking at no risk. But if you look at the Right of Centre votes (UKIP + Tory) in Middleton the voters did not want a Labour candidate. But got one. And there is the proof we all need.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I did not write that I'm happy with the hypothetical polish family.... what I said was that if I was in their situation, and I could go elsewhere for a better life, I would do... and I also said that it is the immigration system that is at fault.... it us not the fault of individuals who use that system to their advantage.

And get this one, I know at least a dozen asian people that vote UKIP... are you also saying that they are xenophobic, bigoted, and stupid? maybe you also think they are racists and homophobic too? "

Probably yes. Either you and they are all the above, or you're just far more worried about giving "the man" a bloody nose to be concerned that the party you are voting for A: is backed by the same people who back the other parties. B: only policies are xeno/homophobic and based on crap maths.

And that is stupid. Frankly I don't care if you're offended. You'll get over it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm just imagining Jeremy Vine with his swingometer broadcasting from a swing club near you.

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By *luezulu OP Man
over a year ago

Suffolk

The OP, still sits, still watches and his smile is even broader.

One of the main problems with this country is the majority of the electorate are hoodwinked into believing that the system we have had for the last 100 years is the only system.

So when a new political party comes along that might rock the boat, the spin doctors of the big 3 go into overdrive and spew out all the accusations and lies, feed them to the press, ie, all UKIP voters, MPs party workers etc, are xenophobic, homophobic racist bigots, Well there was a lot of them out last Thursday, and there will be even more out next May.

Call us names if you want, we are starting to rock the boat, your big 3 are running scared.

The OP sits, watches, smiles and waits for Cameron, Milliband and Clegg to come up with new promises to try and appease the people. Promises they CANNOT and will NOT keep.

Its time for change

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Yes. Now that UKIP have got as many MPs as the Green Party, let the revolution commence!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The OP, still sits, still watches and his smile is even broader.

One of the main problems with this country is the majority of the electorate are hoodwinked into believing that the system we have had for the last 100 years is the only system.

Call us names if you want, we are starting to rock the boat, your big 3 are running scared.

The OP sits, watches, smiles and waits for Cameron, Milliband and Clegg to come up with new promises to try and appease the people. Promises they CANNOT and will NOT keep.

Its time for change"

But as I've pointed out, you're not voting for change. You're voting for the same system dressed up in a different guise. A scary one, where any progress we've made in this country in terms of attitudes towards ethnic minorities, different sexualities, civil and human rights will be set back decades.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ukip are racist bigoted nutters.

Daily Mail, BBC, and Sky News propaganda swallowed whole I see."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The OP, still sits, still watches and his smile is even broader.

One of the main problems with this country is the majority of the electorate are hoodwinked into believing that the system we have had for the last 100 years is the only system.

Call us names if you want, we are starting to rock the boat, your big 3 are running scared.

The OP sits, watches, smiles and waits for Cameron, Milliband and Clegg to come up with new promises to try and appease the people. Promises they CANNOT and will NOT keep.

Its time for change"
Well said

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Yes. Now that UKIP have got as many MPs as the Green Party, let the revolution commence!

Its the first step on the ladder, every party has to start somewhere. Rochester could soon be 2 MP's for UKIP. Then could possilby see more defections to UKIP from the tories and i would'nt rule out a Labour defection aswel, and more by-elections so the only way is up.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"And where did I say I like the system? I actually said the system is at fault.

And you'd make a good politician because you are clearly into spin.

What you wrote says that you are happy the hypothetical Polish family took advantage of the immigration system, by implication, because you would if you could if you were in the same situation.

And yes, if you're into UKIP then you are clearly all of the above. As well as stupid. I missed that one out.

Why is it considered xenophobic, bigoted and hateful to want a fair and balanced, controlled immigration system in this country?

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"And where did I say I like the system? I actually said the system is at fault.

And you'd make a good politician because you are clearly into spin.

What you wrote says that you are happy the hypothetical Polish family took advantage of the immigration system, by implication, because you would if you could if you were in the same situation.

And yes, if you're into UKIP then you are clearly all of the above. As well as stupid. I missed that one out.

Why is it considered xenophobic, bigoted and hateful to want a fair and balanced, controlled immigration system in this country?"

Because he believes what the big 3, the media, and the rest of the establishment tell him to believe... now THAT is stupidity.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

There is a great chat between LBC's James O'Brien and a typical UKIP supporter, it's worth a listen if you like a good laugh at the politically illiterate...and let's face it, who doesn't!

Google 'passionate UKIP supporter' and it should be the first result.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing to do with media conditioning. If a person is not deemed worthy to enter this country because of their race or social status, and because you believe they cause all our social problems, if a person is denied the right to marry because of their sexual orientation, then that is xenophobic, prejudiced and bigoted. End of.

If the membership of a party now consists of you having to sign a declaration saying you have not been a member of a far right group, then that should ring alarm bells. I could sign a piece of paper saying I never dress in women's clothes, but I think we all know that would be a lie.

The fact is that those with the kind of narrow minded, far right, xenophobic, bigoted _iews will vote for the acceptable face of those _iews, as the best way of furthering those _iews.

Enter UKIP. The moderate wing of ISIS.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"There is a great chat between LBC's James O'Brien and a typical UKIP supporter, it's worth a listen if you like a good laugh at the politically illiterate...and let's face it, who doesn't!

Google 'passionate UKIP supporter' and it should be the first result."

Watching Ed Miliband trying to eat a bacon sandwich is also good for a laugh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It seems that we as a society find it impossible to have a sensible debate on immigration without people being accused of being racist which is very sad. We are an island, we have limited resources which are already under huge stress, we need a sensible debate.

UKIP is focusing on 3 key issues, immigration, membership of the EU and career politicians who are out of touch with the electorate. It is estimated that more than 50% of the electorate is concerned with at least 2 of these issues which suggests they will continue to garner support. We are entering a fascinating period in our modern political history.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

"It seems that we as a society find it impossible to have a sensible debate on immigration without people being accused of being racist which is very sad. We are an island, we have limited resources which are already under huge stress, we need a sensible debate.

Very good post.

I find it frustrating that people won't argue against the policies of UKIP but would rather show their bigotry against UKIP supporters by accusing them of bigotry!

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

Very good post.

I find it frustrating that people won't argue against the policies of UKIP but would rather show their bigotry against UKIP supporters by accusing them of bigotry!

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"Nothing to do with media conditioning. If a person is not deemed worthy to enter this country because of their race or social status, and because you believe they cause all our social problems, if a person is denied the right to marry because of their sexual orientation, then that is xenophobic, prejudiced and bigoted. End of.

The fact is that those with the kind of narrow minded, far right, xenophobic, bigoted _iews will vote for the acceptable face of those _iews, as the best way of furthering those _iews.

Enter UKIP. The moderate wing of ISIS. "

Which part of 'UKIP are not for a blanket ban on immigration' do you not understand?

Which part of 'UKIP is against mass immigration of Unskilled labour from Eastern Europe, when skilled people from, for example, Asia, are unable to come here' don't you understand?

And where have you seen or heard anyone from UKIP, or myself for that matter, blame all of our social problems on Immigrants?

And UKIP the ' moderate wing of ISIS'...you say UKIP are racist and xenophobic, and yet you then claim them to be the moderate wing of a Muslim fundamentalist terror organisation!

And then, to effect political change in this country, you come up with a half baked plan that, at best will cause suffering to the very people you want to help?

The only thing that's coming from your replies is your own narrow mindedness, stupidity, bigotry and lack of awareness of the world around you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

actually watched and listened to Reckless launch his campaign in Rochester, the racist undercurrent and mutterings was quite disgraceful.

Beware this lot

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

The reason it's difficult to have this debate in our society without people being accused of being racists is simply because an awful lot of the ukippers, the ones who are eager to have the debate, are racists.

If you try to have a sensible debate about immigration with a racist, then unfortunately their inherent racism will become part of the debate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Half baked plan? Calm down drama queen! It was hardly a plan, at best it's was a suggestion, an idea. Hardly like I'm going live with it on Monday!

But as half baked plans go, voting for the same system that time and time again has failed to produce any change? Definitely underdone, I'd give it a few more minutes.

Who was it that said doing the same thing time and time again and expecting to get different results was stupid?

Anyway, I can only hope that as the number of UKIP candidates for the election grows, so do the number of horrific gaffes.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

If you try to have a sensible debate about immigration with a racist, then unfortunately their inherent racism will become part of the debate."

And was the life long Labour voter Gillian Duffy from Rochdale a racist then for asking Gordon Brown a perfectly reasonable question about immigration, for which he then called her a "Bigoted woman" when he thought no-one could hear?

Labour cannot have a sensible debate about immigration, Gordon Brown proved that, and now Ed Miliband wants to bury his head in the sand and refuses to address the issue aswel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you try to have a sensible debate about immigration with a racist, then unfortunately their inherent racism will become part of the debate."

So have the debate and prove the "racists" wrong. During the Euro elections Milliband and Cameron refused to engage with Farage (fair play to Clegg for having the balls to do it), and the result? UKIP won the election. To keep dismissing them as racists, looneys and whackos while their support base grows and grows because no one is prepared to discuss the issues they are raising in a proper public debate is quite astonishing.

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By *erbyshire BobMan
over a year ago

derby

"ukip are racist bigoted nutters."

After the way the Rochdale and Rotherham abuse scandals were facilitated by anti-white rascism, that is a bit rich.

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By *erbyshire BobMan
over a year ago

derby

The fact is that those with the kind of narrow minded, far right, xenophobic, bigoted _iews will vote for the acceptable face of those _iews, as the best way of furthering those _iews.

Enter UKIP. The moderate wing of ISIS.

Which part of 'UKIP are not for a blanket ban on immigration' do you not understand?

Which part of 'UKIP is against mass immigration of Unskilled labour from Eastern Europe, when skilled people from, for example, Asia, are unable to come here' don't you understand?

And where have you seen or heard anyone from UKIP, or myself for that matter, blame all of our social problems on Immigrants?

And UKIP the ' moderate wing of ISIS'...you say UKIP are racist and xenophobic, and yet you then claim them to be the moderate wing of a Muslim fundamentalist terror organisation!

And then, to effect political change in this country, you come up with a half baked plan that, at best will cause suffering to the very people you want to help?

The only thing that's coming from your replies is your own narrow mindedness, stupidity, bigotry and lack of awareness of the world around you."

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over a year ago

The fact is that those with the kind of narrow minded, far right, xenophobic, bigoted _iews will vote for the acceptable face of those _iews, as the best way of furthering those _iews.

Enter UKIP. The moderate wing of ISIS.

Which part of 'UKIP are not for a blanket ban on immigration' do you not understand?

Which part of 'UKIP is against mass immigration of Unskilled labour from Eastern Europe, when skilled people from, for example, Asia, are unable to come here' don't you understand?

And where have you seen or heard anyone from UKIP, or myself for that matter, blame all of our social problems on Immigrants?

And UKIP the ' moderate wing of ISIS'...you say UKIP are racist and xenophobic, and yet you then claim them to be the moderate wing of a Muslim fundamentalist terror organisation!

And then, to effect political change in this country, you come up with a half baked plan that, at best will cause suffering to the very people you want to help?

The only thing that's coming from your replies is your own narrow mindedness, stupidity, bigotry and lack of awareness of the world around you."

Excellent post, and an excellent response to one of the usual forum political bullies who very quickly resorts to insults when their position is weakened by proper debate, or lack thereof.

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By *erbyshire BobMan
over a year ago

derby

i think it is very interesting how, the very people accusing UKIP as being "Far Right" and "Fascist" and using that as an excuse to try and silince them, are probably showing a greater degree of fascism themselves.

Incidently, though most people place Fascism as the Far Right, it isn't. Both Mussolini's Fascists and Hiltler's National Socialists had strong working class roots.

Also, Hitler openly claimed to have based his ideas on Marx, but with the refinement that, instead of Marx's Class Warfare, Hitler wanted co-operation between worker and capital.

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over a year ago

The fact is that those with the kind of narrow minded, far right, xenophobic, bigoted _iews will vote for the acceptable face of those _iews, as the best way of furthering those _iews.

Enter UKIP. The moderate wing of ISIS.

Which part of 'UKIP are not for a blanket ban on immigration' do you not understand?

Which part of 'UKIP is against mass immigration of Unskilled labour from Eastern Europe, when skilled people from, for example, Asia, are unable to come here' don't you understand?

And where have you seen or heard anyone from UKIP, or myself for that matter, blame all of our social problems on Immigrants?

And UKIP the ' moderate wing of ISIS'...you say UKIP are racist and xenophobic, and yet you then claim them to be the moderate wing of a Muslim fundamentalist terror organisation!

And then, to effect political change in this country, you come up with a half baked plan that, at best will cause suffering to the very people you want to help?

The only thing that's coming from your replies is your own narrow mindedness, stupidity, bigotry and lack of awareness of the world around you.

Excellent post, and an excellent response to one of the usual forum political bullies who very quickly resorts to insults when their position is weakened by proper debate, or lack thereof."

Ohhh, the Troll card. Well played! Have I bullied you? Have I? What did the nasty tranny do to you den?

I tried debate, I tried several times to point out that voting UKIP is not a vote for political change but a vote for the same system, and that by voting for them you are endorsing ALL their policies, not just the cute fluffy ones, (I actually support the idea of scrapping HS2) But the nasty nationalist ones too.

But no, I just get told not to worry my pretty little head, I've obviously no clue, awww bless the little gayer for trying. Patronizing pricks.

So yeah, vote for UKIP, get your dunce cap and find a corner til you've thought about what you've done.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

If you try to have a sensible debate about immigration with a racist, then unfortunately their inherent racism will become part of the debate.

Labour cannot have a sensible debate about immigration, Gordon Brown proved that, and now Ed Miliband wants to bury his head in the sand and refuses to address the issue aswel. "

www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMTnvtZro7U