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By *ofakind OP Couple
over a year ago

Running with Monkeys

i turned 22 in april and should have seen a pay increase as i was only on £5 an hour... i mentioned this to my immediate manager and he said it would go up straight away... i'd not got it at the end of april so he said to wait til the end of may and i would see it then... checked junes pay slip and still not there... i collared his manager and sid about it and he said he would sort it and i would see it in the next few days... now i've still not got it and whenever i ask he changes the subject and im stuck as to how the best way of soting it out would be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Join your relevant union and they'll sort it for you.

XXXX

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

follow your works grievance procedure, you have been to your line manager now go above them as they ave not resolved the issue.

Ultimately write a letter of grievnce to your HR department

You should also receive back pay to when it should have gone up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would agree, join the union, but they probably won't take any action for you for 3 months (that's just the way it is).

Try calling HR or Payroll in the business, or talk to an employment law solicitor (you can get a 30 minute consultation for free, regardless of your income).

Good luck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ask advice at the Citizens Advice Bureau (CAB).

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Ask advice at the Citizens Advice Bureau (CAB)."

they have done better than that - they have asked the FAB, Fuckers Advice Burea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think either raising a formal grievance or talking to HR/payroll is the best way forward for you. These are the people who untimately can press the buttons and make it right for you.

Talking to a solicitor or paying a union for 3 months before they'll take action at this stage seems rather extreme.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

By turning 22 your automatically entitled to £5.93 per hour.

Visit: hmrc.co.uk or call the pay and rights helpline 0800-917-2368

Not all employees have access to a union.

Hope this helps?

Paddy

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By *ofakind OP Couple
over a year ago

Running with Monkeys

thanks guys the are manager was in today but wasnt in a good mood so avoided speakng to him about it but will get the phone number for hr tomorrow and speak to them monday

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I omitted to say to the OP, inform your employer you've taken that step I'm sure you'll see a change of heart, also remind them, your entitled by law to have it back dated, as they are by law to honour it.

Paddy x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pay and work rights helpline...google "mimimum wage" it's all on there.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Contact your local Department of Work and Pensions office, by law you should be earning the current minimum wage which is £5.80.

The DWP will write to your emploters and give them 21 days to comply or they will face a fine of up to £10,000.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its simply illegal and there is an online complaints form you can fill in.

ooops links again, will fall foul of the links ban some time but here it is anyway

https://online.hmrc.gov.uk/shortforms/form/NMW_Worker?dept-name=NMW&sub-dept-name=Complaints&location=25&origin=http://www.hmrc.gov.uk

good luck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are some exceptions to the automatic rise ...so check you're not one of those.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think either raising a formal grievance or talking to HR/payroll is the best way forward for you. These are the people who untimately can press the buttons and make it right for you.

Talking to a solicitor or paying a union for 3 months before they'll take action at this stage seems rather extreme."

Not really,with management like that he'll probably need the union again before long!

XXXX

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By *ollie_JCouple
over a year ago

London

"thanks guys the are manager was in today but wasnt in a good mood so avoided speakng to him about it "

That's his problem not yours

You are allowed to gripe upwards - managers aren;t allowed to gripe downwards

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By *ofakind OP Couple
over a year ago

Running with Monkeys

"I think either raising a formal grievance or talking to HR/payroll is the best way forward for you. These are the people who untimately can press the buttons and make it right for you.

Talking to a solicitor or paying a union for 3 months before they'll take action at this stage seems rather extreme.

Not really,with management like that he'll probably need the union again before long!

XXXX"

will definitely look at unions as there has been a few other problems with management your not that far either so may know the company x

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

See all this advice about who to ring and how to get other people involved…. It’s all good stuff but I would strongly advise you NOT to do any of it until you have first contacted your HR department and followed the company’s grievance procedure. Anything else at this time is just overkill and I doubt your employers will thank you for it.

You may know that you have had a word with your manager but there is nothing documented, so in most cases you will be advised to first follow the internal procedures. There is no question over whether you are entitled to the pay increase and I doubt once you have pointed out in writing that you are not receiving it they will sort it out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There ARE possible doubts

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

"There ARE possible doubts"

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

As said above he IS breaking the law dont give him another chance report him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There ARE possible doubts

Not everyone reaching 22 is entitled to an automatic rise to £5-80

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"There ARE possible doubts"

If there were I'd assume the manager would have explained why they were not getting a pay rise instead of saying they will sort it.

If it is the case that the manager is just a thick twat, then following the internal proceedure will at least result in a written explination of why they can't have it.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"As said above he IS breaking the law dont give him another chance report him."

He isn't... the company is.

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By *ofakind OP Couple
over a year ago

Running with Monkeys

"There ARE possible doubts"

so what are these doubts? i dont know what u mean but doubts about what?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There ARE possible doubts

If there were I'd assume the manager would have explained why they were not getting a pay rise instead of saying they will sort it.

If it is the case that the manager is just a thick twat, then following the internal proceedure will at least result in a written explination of why they can't have it."

I agree with you totally and he is probably a twat...but I'm just pointing out it's not an automatic right for everyone at 22.So...if he is a twat it's better to be armed with knowledge of your rights beforehand.

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By *ofakind OP Couple
over a year ago

Running with Monkeys

"There ARE possible doubts

Not everyone reaching 22 is entitled to an automatic rise to £5-80"

why not? i thought thats why the minimum wage was brought in? unless of course you're working for a dodgy company or cash in hand etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There ARE possible doubts

so what are these doubts? i dont know what u mean but doubts about what?"

Look on direct.gov at minimum wage to find out if you are in one of the jobs/training courses that are not obliged to pay that rate.

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

"There ARE possible doubts

so what are these doubts? i dont know what u mean but doubts about what?

Look on direct.gov at minimum wage to find out if you are in one of the jobs/training courses that are not obliged to pay that rate."

HM Revenue & Customs is the place to look for the rules on the National Minimum Wage but to save you looking here are the rules for who is and who isn't entitled to receive it, but at 22 I presume you don't fall into any of these catagories -

"Who's entitled to the national minimum wage?

Almost all workers who work in the UK are entitled to the national minimum wage. But there are some groups who aren’t entitled, including:

•self-employed people

•apprentices under the age of 19

•apprentices aged 19 or over - but only for the first year of their apprenticeship

•children who are still of compulsory school age"

So looks like you should be getting the £5.80 minimum wage which goes up to £5.83 in October.

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By *ofakind OP Couple
over a year ago

Running with Monkeys

"There ARE possible doubts

so what are these doubts? i dont know what u mean but doubts about what?

Look on direct.gov at minimum wage to find out if you are in one of the jobs/training courses that are not obliged to pay that rate.

"Who's entitled to the national minimum wage?

Almost all workers who work in the UK are entitled to the national minimum wage. But there are some groups who aren’t entitled, including:

•self-employed people

•apprentices under the age of 19

•apprentices aged 19 or over - but only for the first year of their apprenticeship

•children who are still of compulsory school age"

So looks like you should be getting the £5.80 minimum wage which goes up to £5.83 in October.

i was going to check that in a minute butim none of the above ive been employed by the company for 15 months and not on any sort of training scheme

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

£5-93

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

"£5-93"

Sorry slip of the finger there!

Whos silly idea was it to put the 9 next to the 8 on a keyboard?

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"As said above he IS breaking the law dont give him another chance report him.

He isn't... the company is."

Legaly the co is but having approached the "MANAGER" it is up to him to sort it out.

My own boy had a lot of trouble having finished his apprenticeship despite approaching the manager regularly due to the fact his wage never went, up the manager was always too busy to discuss it until he went in one day to tell him he was leaving and surprise surprise the manager wasnt too busy and wanted to talk money with him to which he replied sorry mate you are far too late for that and that same workshop manager still gets his old workmates to ask him to come back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yeah contact ur HR department, but also seek the advice of the citizens advice buraeu,

they will prob tell you to speak 2 the HR department any way, or if u have a payroll department give them a call 2.

also say to your manager that your seeking advice from the 3 above places, that will usually put the fear god in him and get him to get his butt in gear,

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

You cant approach your manager because he is in a bad mood?

He has been putting you off since April?

Stop pusi footing around, you have a bully for a manager and unless you make him realize that he cant bully you he will continue to walk all over you.

My advice is to put your complaint in writing to him, detailing the number of times you have complained verbally and his lack of action, pointing out his (as the companies legal agent) and the companies legal position with a silent copy to your managing director. If you can email it to him and your MD (he is the one who gets to stand up in a court and say guilty if it comes to it), if not send it by royal mail and keep a copy for yourself.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"You cant approach your manager because he is in a bad mood?

He has been putting you off since April?

Stop pusi footing around, you have a bully for a manager and unless you make him realize that he cant bully you he will continue to walk all over you.

You just love jumping in with those assumptions and going over the top with reactions don't you.

For all anyone knows he has passed it on to payroll and it's payroll fucking it up.

All companies by law have to have a grievance procedure, if they don’t then the statutory procedure applies. In all cases even ACAS advise you to follow this process (in full) in the first instance. … not jump in with all guns blazing and potentially harming working relationships.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

..and getting the sack under some made up issue of 'you clocked off two seconds earlier than you should have"..

Always remember: If you rock the boat you're sitting in don't be surprised if you drown.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

In this case it seems to be the management thats harming relationships.

But you could sit tight and not rock the boat and get the £5 for the rest of you life.

Or you could stand up for yourself and not let youself be used.

Too many ppl with a little bit of power will abuse it and pick on ones they think they can.

Its just as well our forefathers didnt think like one or two folk above or we would still have 10 yr olds down the mines and up chimneys for 12 hrs a day.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"In this case it seems to be the management thats harming relationships.

But you could sit tight and not rock the boat and get the £5 for the rest of you life.

Or you could stand up for yourself and not let youself be used.

Too many ppl with a little bit of power will abuse it and pick on ones they think they can.

Its just as well our forefathers didnt think like one or two folk above or we would still have 10 yr olds down the mines and up chimneys for 12 hrs a day."

Or they could just use the correct proceedure for getting it sorted with no need to make such a huge song and dance about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i turned 22 in april and should have seen a pay increase as i was only on £5 an hour... i mentioned this to my immediate manager and he said it would go up straight away... i'd not got it at the end of april so he said to wait til the end of may and i would see it then... checked junes pay slip and still not there... i collared his manager and sid about it and he said he would sort it and i would see it in the next few days... now i've still not got it and whenever i ask he changes the subject and im stuck as to how the best way of soting it out would be"

Go to your local citizens advice bureau ... they have all employment laws to hand and will support you if you need to bring about legal action ... please dont let them get away with not backdating your pay ... its yours by law!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I feel for you, my son has been an apprentice mechanic for the last 3 yrs, he's now passed all his exams, got the certificate to say the he is qualified but is still on shitty apprentice money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i'm 100% in agreement with polo. Speak to HR/payroll and get them to sort it. Getting a union or any other body involved before you've followed the correct procedure is jimping too ar ahead.

If you get no joy after speaking to HR then raise a formal grievance, give them a week to get it sorted and if not then yes, go ahead and get outside bodies involved.

If he is suck a rubbish manager then he probably just cant be arsed to do it, or keeps fogetting. Not an excuse i know but speak to the people who can actually make this happen for you. As spmebody else said earlier, it's the first thing acas should suggest you do anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

damn, i can spell well this morning!!!

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By *ofakind OP Couple
over a year ago

Running with Monkeys

thanks again ladies and gents... i did post this on the wrong day really because the manager wasnt in today but i have the contact number for HR so will give them a ring monday morning... if its still not sorted then ill go down the grievence route

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