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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

As if in 2014 we are still at logger heads when in reality we are all so much more enriched and enlightened as people you would think there should be other methods to solve conflict. How about we just have a massive tug of war instead lol its hard to imagine a world without conflict and war isn't it.. maybe it will take a nuclear war and a whole species of humans to extinguish before a better place could develop

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As long as there is religion there will be war.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Could have rock paper scissors, tug o war sounds far to strenuous for politicians.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sadly that is so true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As long as there is religion there will be war."

Also, 'Oil' works just as well in place of 'Religion'

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

You know I reckon if the government just staged a realistic ufo landing or something to do with contact they could manipulate us to thinking that we got religion wrong and the actual truth is it doesn't exist.. although lying it would do us all a lot of good!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As long as there is religion there will be war."

spot on...we are atheists here as should everyone be then much less trouble would arise guaranteed

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire

Let's all develop fairy wings, then we can fly to work and cut car pollution too.

Humans are like every other animal, conflict is part of our being - we've just become very good at it, but that's the price of all human social development. There's ALWAYS a price to pay.

Forget about eliminating war it's a bullshit scenario (like fairy wings). Even if we were bombed back to the stone age, it wouldn't take long for the cleverest survivor to work out how to make sure his stone tools were more adept at killing his rivals, thus ensuring his survival. This is nature's way.

Instead of dreaming of a world without war (which would be a world without a sizeable chunk of human passion, drive and ingenuity, just make sure you are on the winning side...

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire

"As long as there is religion there will be war.

Also, 'Oil' works just as well in place of 'Religion'

Or anything, it doesn't matter. Primates will always find something to bicker about - be it food, sex, or even who is sitting in the best spot. I'm sure you've felt your temper rising with each of the above, it's a small step to take a stick and smite your rival...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love it when people blame religion for war, when the truth is that religion like oil, territorial land grabs, and expansion of trade have always sought to use any tool to exert their domination over others by any means.

Kuwait = Oil.

Iraq = Oil.

Afghanistan = Oil and resources.

Libya = Oil.

Syria = Oil.

Anyone see a pattern?

When you combine the wars of the pat 200 years, religion has had little to do with them, except of course the Imperialists always have God on their side.

As for atheists, well Stalin, and Mao were big in that field. I nearly forgot, Great Britain who had the biggest Empire and used religion to control others as well as war, slavery, famine etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Humans have been in conflict ever since we set foot on this earth.. It's not going to stop any time soon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I love it when people blame religion for war, when the truth is that religion like oil, territorial land grabs, and expansion of trade have always sought to use any tool to exert their domination over others by any means.

Kuwait = Oil.

Iraq = Oil.

Afghanistan = Oil and resources.

Libya = Oil.

Syria = Oil.

Anyone see a pattern?

When you combine the wars of the pat 200 years, religion has had little to do with them, except of course the Imperialists always have God on their side.

As for atheists, well Stalin, and Mao were big in that field. I nearly forgot, Great Britain who had the biggest Empire and used religion to control others as well as war, slavery, famine etc."

West Bank = not enough oil/knowledge of how much oil for us to bother

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Question.

Why is the first place the US bomb or secure the oil fields?

Oh, and we won't let ISIS cut your heads off but we'd come and blow your heads off.

...they're so daft! If they were truly fighting extremism and terrorism they'd know that all this is only going to create more extremists and terrorists. More groups are going to be created and they're just spreading hatred.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As long as there is religion there will be war."

A quick bit of research will show that more conflicts are caused by non religous means than religous. It is simply a myth that most wars are caused by religion.

Having said said religion does have a lot to answer for and I think it has a lot to do with what's happening now in Syria & Iraq. Although I don't think the U.S. and Uk's response is religiously motivated.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"As long as there is religion there will be war."

How about as long as there are no free Jaffa cakes there will be war?

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By *carineMan
over a year ago

Armthorpe, Doncaster

I am hoping Westmonster votes for war. As an anarchist, chaos is so much more fun!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hang on people you forgot the UK And USA pulled out of Iraq to allow them to self govern. The problem is there are so many tribes factions that want to rule that they cannot agree.

ISIS have seized on this weakness and have tried to take over the country by force and banning all faiths other than being muslim. Isnt this religion?

They are not there because they wsnt oil they want to create an islam state.

The USA &UK didnt esnt to intervene they were asked by the Kurds and other faculties to come to their aid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be honest war happens for many reasons religion, territorial disputes and even family rows but I think in this case religion and intolerance has a lot to do with this at the end of the day we are now feeling the friction that has been brewing since the dark ages with the knights Templars and Jerusalem etc

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"As long as there is religion there will be war.

A quick bit of research will show that more conflicts are caused by non religous means than religous. It is simply a myth that most wars are caused by religion.

this..

the planet has many more folks who have a 'faith' they follow peacefully..

its a minority of people who distort their chosen religion as an excuse to cause mayhem..

extremism is just that..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

War. War never changes

Someone should drop a nuke or two and have done with.

That, or a meteor should come and wipe half the planet out.

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By *adystephanieTV/TS
over a year ago

glos

In my humble opinion the oil is maybe a secondary concern but I strongly believe the destabilisation of the Middle East through the Arab spring was well planned many years ago to weaken the most powerful countries in order to protect just 'State' Israel ....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I do not and more than likely will not ever know a single person that says I really want to go to war and kill somebody. Nobody wants that but it happens... If I feel quite neutral and happy to live in a care free environment that surely everyone else feels the same? It's a shame we can't just put all our tools down and say, enough already it's pointless. You say tomato I say tomayto let's just get along and be happy!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Question.

Why is the first place the US bomb or secure the oil fields?

Oh, and we won't let ISIS cut your heads off but we'd come and blow your heads off.

The Yanks try to secure or destroy oil infrastructure cos IS are using the proceeds of selling the oil to fund weapons, training etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The oil is making ISIS something daft like 1.2m dollars PER DAY. They need to secure the oil fields

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As long as there is religion there will be war.

Also, 'Oil' works just as well in place of 'Religion'

Swap oil for just 'money' (full stop). War is a very expensive/lucrative business. Some big corporations make a lot of money through war!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Question.

Why is the first place the US bomb or secure the oil fields?

Oh, and we won't let ISIS cut your heads off but we'd come and blow your heads off.

The Yanks try to secure or destroy oil infrastructure cos IS are using the proceeds of selling the oil to fund weapons, training etc."

yep and in some strange irony they are selling some of the oil to Syria so Syria no doubt can use that oil as part of its war against them and others and the IS no doubt then use those funds to buy more weapons to err use against Syria and others..

like a scene from a Kubrik film..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my opinion its all about money and control, like another poster said its been planned out for a long time to end in one scenario, total control.

Its masked under the freedom and democracy banner, but lets face it we are in no democracy, yeah sure we get to vote but we vote on false promises and still told we are free when the rules come in to force...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All this is going to make for a good movie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've seen battles on these fora about all manner of subjects, and this is meant to be a website for like-minded people to have fun together!

Oil, religion, football, racism, et cetera are just some of the many reasons people justify fighting with others.

Greed is one of man"kind"s biggest failings I believe. When we eat, do we consume just what our body needs, or whatever we fancy? There is a cost to this. To say we "own" a piece of land is laughable, if it wasn't so serious. To think that all points between my fences and your fences belong to me is arrogant. What about the flora and fauna? What do they own?

Jealousy, fear or just being a bully, some more reasons why conflicts happen between people.

We can only control our own actions, our own choices. And hope that others make good choices also.

Right. Who wants to kiss and make up?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lurkers keep your PM's to yourself please. I really can't be arsed to deal with you all today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lurkers keep your PM's to yourself please. I really can't be arsed to deal with you all today.

How brave of them, hope your reporting Pops.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

as a country aren't we meant to be so skint we haven't got a ha'penny to scratch our arses with ..... as shirley williams said "we always seem to find money for wars"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"as a country aren't we meant to be so skint we haven't got a ha'penny to scratch our arses with ..... as shirley williams said "we always seem to find money for wars""

That's what I thought.

The queen's got shit loads in gold though. Tight sod won't share

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"as a country aren't we meant to be so skint we haven't got a ha'penny to scratch our arses with ..... as shirley williams said "we always seem to find money for wars""

There's a Defence Contingency Fund kept separate from the usual budget funds.

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire

Well, you know, without a good few dust-ups in the world, lots of people here in the UK would be out of work. BAE, and all the subsidiary firms making arms components keep a sizeable portion of our economy ticking. War is good for business, bring it on!

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"As long as there is religion there will be war.

Also, 'Oil' works just as well in place of 'Religion'

So does power.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As long as there is religion there will be war.

Also, 'Oil' works just as well in place of 'Religion'

Swap oil for just 'money' (full stop). War is a very expensive/lucrative business. Some big corporations make a lot of money through war!"

Yes I agree! That old saying, Money is the root of all evil? Well its not far off the truth!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Worldwide Peace is as Mythical as the Single Bi Female

Gimp

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Well, you know, without a good few dust-ups in the world, lots of people here in the UK would be out of work. BAE, and all the subsidiary firms making arms components keep a sizeable portion of our economy ticking. War is good for business, bring it on!"

Never even thought about that! That Mr is a very very good point!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As long as there is religion there will be war.

Also, 'Oil' works just as well in place of 'Religion'

So does power."

.....& power = money, - there's the religion that's the cause of the vast majority of wars!

Just Google how many companies make a fortune out of war & wonder if any of their chairmen/major shareholders pull any strings in Parliament???????? I could make an educated guess.........

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"As long as there is religion there will be war.

Also, 'Oil' works just as well in place of 'Religion'

So does power.

.....& power = money, - there's the religion that's the cause of the vast majority of wars!

Just Google how many companies make a fortune out of war & wonder if any of their chairmen/major shareholders pull any strings in Parliament???????? I could make an educated guess.........

I would say money = power. Not the other way round.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But money is the ultimate goal - power is useless without it......... chicken & egg......

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"But money is the ultimate goal - power is useless without it......... chicken & egg......"

How many poor people are powerful. The one who can afford the most resources is the one with most power.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As long as there is religion there will be war."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But money is the ultimate goal - power is useless without it......... chicken & egg......

How many poor people are powerful. The one who can afford the most resources is the one with most power. "

Like Norway, Sweden, Finland, you mean?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

As increased terrorism is a predictable and very likely consequence of us starting bombing don't you assume that government doesn't care and is ok with this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As long as there is religion there will be war."

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"But money is the ultimate goal - power is useless without it......... chicken & egg......

How many poor people are powerful. The one who can afford the most resources is the one with most power.

Like Norway, Sweden, Finland, you mean?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we are planning(the west)to settle into the middleeast etc.I think theres probably knowledge of an impending ice-age/submersion of the north western hemisphere possibly in the next century.Our moves into the 3rd world are driven by resources and survival.....thats my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But money is the ultimate goal - power is useless without it......... chicken & egg......

How many poor people are powerful. The one who can afford the most resources is the one with most power.

Like Norway, Sweden, Finland, you mean?

Not world powers in the same league as the US, etc. For all the placid Scandinavian countries which could be quoted there are numerous others who simply use their resources to either hold on to power or gain more. "
no, - they use their resources primarily to ensure a good lifestyle for their own people; something that we should have learned by now!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As long as there is religion there will be war.

A quick bit of research will show that more conflicts are caused by non religous means than religous. It is simply a myth that most wars are caused by religion.

this..

the planet has many more folks who have a 'faith' they follow peacefully..

its a minority of people who distort their chosen religion as an excuse to cause mayhem..

extremism is just that.."
Yes quite true and at the end of the day

What good has extremism ever given to man woman and child, what have we got To thank it for only the extremist Knows that, his beliefs would never be Accepted at the negotiateing table so The only other way which is not gods Way and if he believes that he is a fool, Is to hide behind walls and Pointlessly kill or maim, our airstrikes will only feed his

Hatetred off us, but If you back down

To people like this they would soon

Build from this like all evil does, Its always going to be an unfinished

War until these people are dealt with

and their are always those that are ready to come out of the wood work at

Times like this and carry on pointlessly with their plans

Which they will use under any

Excuse and of course with the airstrikes that will be it but

To any civilised human being

we all know there can never be

Another alternative to this mindset

Of people I,m affraid.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Why not just have the heads do the fighting, obama v the head of IS, then if IS wins the head of france lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why not just have the heads do the fighting, obama v the head of IS, then if IS wins the head of france lol"
I would have thought Cameron would be second in line!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can't bomb an ideology.

Oil is important here but only to raise funds for war.

America dosent need more oil they have excess and this is why they don't mind upsetting Russia right now.

IS need oil to fund war so we are trying to stop that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As long as there is religion there will be war.

spot on...we are atheists here as should everyone be then much less trouble would arise guaranteed"

Perhaps a you should get together and forcibly spread your beliefs with the vision to making a better world?

Wait....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not sure if this is allowed but this pretty much sums everything up and until the silent majority stand up for themselves around the world extremism will always cause conflict.

Try and watch it all.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"Why not just have the heads do the fighting, obama v the head of IS, then if IS wins the head of france lol I would have thought Cameron would be second in line!

I put france as they have dropped a few bombs before us this time, it would make a change from the soldiers doing the fighting. You never know there might be less wars this way as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isil will just head in to the cities & towns & hide. I only hope that we've learned not to bomb the hell out of tens of thousands of innocent men, women & children like the last time!

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By *lay4RealCouple
over a year ago

London

Yes Oil and to a some extent religion but to me the most critical reason for all these wars is the western industrial complex. They see dollar signs when millions are dying from wars they instigated many years in advance. They control the powerful governments and determine their policies.

They fund most of the Think tanks and in some cases Charities that help victims of war. A small price to pay for the massive profits they make.

They impoverish and destabilize the whole world by their actions. They are committed to their course and most governments are at their beck and call. That is why nothing will change. And that my friends is the new world order

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Disaster Capitalism at its best.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"Disaster Capitalism at its best."

you spelled kaput-alism wrongly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

War...

HUH

WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR?

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"There's a Defence Contingency Fund kept separate from the usual budget funds."

ok ... are you david cameron and what have you done with the real Onny from Glasgow?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Let's all develop fairy wings, then we can fly to work and cut car pollution too.

Humans are like every other animal, conflict is part of our being - we've just become very good at it, but that's the price of all human social development. There's ALWAYS a price to pay.

Instead of dreaming of a world without war (which would be a world without a sizeable chunk of human passion, drive and ingenuity, just make sure you are on the winning side..."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isil will just head in to the cities & towns & hide. I only hope that we've learned not to bomb the hell out of tens of thousands of innocent men, women & children like the last time!"
Yes thats true a typical guise

Of a extremist/terrorist at least the taliban with odds against them were a foot soldier not one for really hideing behind walls unless in battle, and not useing People as human shields Which Is typical of extremism and how They fight their wars the lowest of the low...

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"As long as there is religion there will be war.

Also, 'Oil' works just as well in place of 'Religion'

Bollox IS are not botherd about the oil as much as killing the infidels

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By *tickyfingers.24Man
over a year ago

Newport Pagnell

No chance - there'd still be conflict.... as my kind of atheism is better than yours.

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By *tickyfingers.24Man
over a year ago

Newport Pagnell

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By *tickyfingers.24Man
over a year ago

Newport Pagnell

"Why not just have the heads do the fighting, obama v the head of IS, then if IS wins the head of france lol I would have thought Cameron would be second in line!

I put france as they have dropped a few bombs before us this time, it would make a change from the soldiers doing the fighting. You never know there might be less wars this way as well."

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire

Never even thought about that! That Mr is a very very good point!! "

I think you'll find that "defence" contracts are one of, if not the biggest export revenue generator. From Saudi fighter jets to small arms, war is a respectable, legitimate business, we'd be fucked without it.

Of course, many people in the supply chain don't even know they are part of the war machine - they go to work and make, for example, springs for BAE. For aeroplanes, perhaps? Then again, they could be the springs that trigger cluster bombs (yeah yeah, I know BAE claim they don't make them any more, but I'm fucking sure they didn't just drop a lucrative line they developed. Whoever is making them today didn't just land the contract out of the blue. I wonder who their directors are?)

There are many people who would absolutely condemn war and conflict, yet put food in their own childrens' mouths thanks to that same industry. They may choose to believe it when their bosses say their products aren't used for anything nasty - they are good at coming up with nice benign names for nasty ways of killing lots of people - or they simply don't care. They may very well not have any job at all though, if their expertise with springs wasn't so essential to weapons manufacturers, sorry "defence contractors".

LIke I say, it's good for business, they only headache is making sure that when a plane full of British tourists is brought down by a SAM, that missile hasn't got Made in Britain stamped on the side...

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"LIke I say, it's good for business, they only headache is making sure that when a plane full of British tourists is brought down by a SAM, that missile hasn't got Made in Britain stamped on the side..."

reminds me of the song Island of No Return .... refers to british soldiers facing Argentinian soldiers in the flaklands

‘I hate this flat land, there’s no cover

for sons and fathers and brothers and lovers

I can take the killing, I can take the slaughter

But I don’t talk to Sun reporters

I never thought that I would be

Fighting fascists in the Southern Sea

I saw one today and in his hand

Was a weapon that was made in Birmingham’

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By *ordonBennettMan
over a year ago

dover

"You know I reckon if the government just staged a realistic ufo landing or something to do with contact they could manipulate us to thinking that we got religion wrong and the actual truth is it doesn't exist.. although lying it would do us all a lot of good!!"

Either that or we'd all suddenly be up against a common foe, like in the movies, and finally realise we're all on the same side...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kuwait = Oil.

Iraq = Oil.

Afghanistan = Oil and resources.

Libya = Oil.

Syria = Oil.

Anyone see a pattern?

When you combine the wars of the pat 200 years, religion has had little to do with them, except of course the Imperialists always have God on their side.

As for atheists, well Stalin, and Mao were big in that field. I nearly forgot, Great Britain who had the biggest Empire and used religion to control others as well as war, slavery, famine etc."

Stalin and Mao never fought wars to further the cause of atheism. They just happened to be atheists.They fought for very different reasons. The usual ones.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kuwait = Oil.

Iraq = Oil.

Afghanistan = Oil and resources.

Libya = Oil.

Syria = Oil.

Anyone see a pattern?

When you combine the wars of the pat 200 years, religion has had little to do with them, except of course the Imperialists always have God on their side.

As for atheists, well Stalin, and Mao were big in that field. I nearly forgot, Great Britain who had the biggest Empire and used religion to control others as well as war, slavery, famine etc."

We didn't use religion to control so much, a large part of our strategy was divide and conquer. This was to impress British culture onto the higher ranked folks of society so that everyone below would seek to emulate them. Not so much religion as clothing, etiquette and general culture.

Also, it was mentioned all the hotspots having oil. They were also mostly under British mandate, until they were liberated in a very haphazard fashion. The British empire has a lot to answer for in this modern world. When the empire fell apart, there was a vacuum... and everyone started to squabble over the scraps, and still are.

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over a year ago

I wish Arnie were President...

" kiss my uzi I.S.I.S. "

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over a year ago

Kuwait = Oil.

Iraq = Oil.

Afghanistan = Oil and resources.

Libya = Oil.

Syria = Oil.

Yep and I would say Popeye is shitting himself and got Olive a chastity belt.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

It's like a time warp. The BBC News headline was 'reports are coming in of fierce fighting to the west of Baghdad'.

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