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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I have just collected my daughter from a group for children with special needs, on my departure one of the mums had collapsed on the floor with an epileptic fit.. Her disabled son was stood by her side while people just walked past the woman that was laid on the floor and a child that clearly could not look after himself or his mum.

I can't believe that people can be so ignorant to the needs of others.. Even if they were unable to help the concussed lady surly the safety of her child would have pulled at their heart stings.. I guess not everyone has a heart

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By *0hnnyBrav0Man
over a year ago

Great Wyrley

Wow speechless!

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

what a shame, hope they both are ok.

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By *asmanian TigerMan
over a year ago

lala land

Unbelievable! !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shocking, poor thing! Hope they were both ok - Did you help?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have just collected my daughter from a group for children with special needs, on my departure one of the mums had collapsed on the floor with an epileptic fit.. Her disabled son was stood by her side while people just walked past the woman that was laid on the floor and a child that clearly could not look after himself or his mum.

Did you stop an help?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is shocking!! Sorry you had to witness that and I hope the mom and her son are ok x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"what a shame, hope they both are ok."

They are thank you... Fortunately i know them so was able to help out.. Her son is stopping for tea at mine while his mum is sleeping it off at home

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I would like to think I would help but I am not sure to be honest, if I thought others were going to stop I would just walk on as I have no first aid skills.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"what a shame, hope they both are ok.

They are thank you... Fortunately i know them so was able to help out.. Her son is stopping for tea at mine while his mum is sleeping it off at home

that is very kind of you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's shocking, poor woman.

hope they are both okay now x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is strange. Experiments have shown that personal responsibility tends to go out of the window in group situations. That is, the "its not my problem" attitude comes to the fore when other people are around. Faced with the same issue on their own, most would do their best to help. I do hope I would react differently.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Its a shame how society is at times, well done you for helping

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By *r jblMan
over a year ago

from parts unknown

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"what a shame, hope they both are ok.

They are thank you... Fortunately i know them so was able to help out.. Her son is stopping for tea at mine while his mum is sleeping it off at home

having suffered with epilepsy when i was younger i always stop if someone is on the floor - i think it scares some people to see it and unsure of what to do - its very confusing for the sufferer and she will be all the better for the sleep - thats all i can remember is feeling so tired afterwards - glad you were there xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Trouble is we live in a litigious society, if you try to help and inadvertently make things worse...

Like to think my first thought would be to help, but second thought might be is this a con trick?

It happens unfortunately.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've actually experienced no end of people tutting and making comments under their breath when out with my nephew in restaurants etc because he chokes on his food often due to his disability. Some people are horrid

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I can understand that not everyone would be comfortable to help but not one had even bothered to call an ambulance.. They didn't even pass the book onto someone else.. That's what i found more amazing if Im honest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can understand that not everyone would be comfortable to help but not one had even bothered to call an ambulance.. They didn't even pass the book onto someone else.. That's what i found more amazing if Im honest

Well at least you helped xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's shocking!!

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By *he Queen of TartsWoman
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over a year ago

My Own Little World

I have a friend who experienced something similar.

When she was 8 months pregnant, walking home from the school run with her 3yr old daughter she fainted in the street. Her poor little girl was standing there screaming mummy mummy, but people just kept on walking. Someone did come to help and told her about all the passerby's. I was disgusted when she told me.

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By *r jblMan
over a year ago

from parts unknown

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Disgusting herd mentality behaviour from those who didn't help. Good for you for helping. Any one of us might need first aid one day and I'd hope people would help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would like to think I would help but I am not sure to be honest, if I thought others were going to stop I would just walk on as I have no first aid skills.

I agree. While generally I would always try and help someone in trouble I wouldn't have a clue what to do to help someone having a seizure

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Disgusting herd mentality behaviour from those who didn't help. Good for you for helping. Any one of us might need first aid one day and I'd hope people would help. "

I think disgusting is a bit harsh. It's sad that no one felt able or compelled to help certainly but as others have said perhaps they didn't feel able to help.

This happened at pick up from a club, perhaps the bypasses thought one of the club organisers would help?

Personally I have helped in cases like this. Last year I performed cpr on an elderly man who had fallen off his bike.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would like to think I would help but I am not sure to be honest, if I thought others were going to stop I would just walk on as I have no first aid skills.

This is not directed at you personally View, but you don't need first aid skills to reassure a child or to call an ambulance. Supposing in this instance everyone had continue walking away and left the woman and her child completely alone.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I would like to think I would help but I am not sure to be honest, if I thought others were going to stop I would just walk on as I have no first aid skills.

I agree. While generally I would always try and help someone in trouble I wouldn't have a clue what to do to help someone having a seizure"

what about the child? Would you be able to walk past leaving any child let alone a disabled child defenceless near a main road? There were other factors involved in this situation.. Not just his mum but even that got ignored by our 'its not my problem' society

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By *nvictusMan
over a year ago

Beeston

Seen it myself many times. I once stopped and kept an eye on a boy of around 4 or 5 who was stood looking worried and lost by a main road. Loads of people walked past, saw he was alone and scared and ignored him. I get that people are afraid of accusations when it involves kids, but he was stood by a main road.... I stood there ready to intervene if necessary until his worried mum came running back and he was safe.

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By *itzWoman
over a year ago

south wales

A mate of mine used to have seizures and he told me what to do to help. Clear the area around the person if possible to avoid injury during the fit. Dont try to hold them down during the fit as this can also cause injury. When they start coming around, tell them where they are and who you are.

Crazy situation OP, glad you were there to help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A mate of mine used to have seizures and he told me what to do to help. Clear the area around the person if possible to avoid injury during the fit. Dont try to hold them down during the fit as this can also cause injury. When they start coming around, tell them where they are and who you are.

Crazy situation OP, glad you were there to help."

And don't try and grab their tongue if they're bleeding from the mouth! And bear in mind that some can be aggressive afterwards if they feel threatened. I've given my dad a black eye as I didn't know who he was. Oops.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Trouble is we live in a litigious society, if you try to help and inadvertently make things worse...

Like to think my first thought would be to help, but second thought might be is this a con trick?

It happens unfortunately. "

I remember walking through a car park. In front of me was young woman on her mobile. To my right a young man. The woman tripped over the kerb, she wasn't paying attention. The young man instinctively went to help, then stopped. I could see him hesitate and looked at me. He was frightened to help and sadly I didn't blame him.

No good deed goes unpunished...Unfortunately.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"I would like to think I would help but I am not sure to be honest, if I thought others were going to stop I would just walk on as I have no first aid skills.

it's ok... I don't things to heart on here but thanks anyway.... I did say if I thought others were going to stop.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

take things*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd have thought there would be staff(trained in first aid) who would have came.

Its a bit grey on the area of responsibility for anothers life, the problems are:

will u be sued for being untrained

will u risk ur life to help another

big problems when things like this occur..there is a duty of care I'd like to exercise..but with so many loopholes..some may decide it may not be in their favor

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd have thought there would be staff(trained in first aid) who would have came.

Its a bit grey on the area of responsibility for anothers life, the problems are:

will u be sued for being untrained

will u risk ur life to help another

big problems when things like this occur..there is a duty of care I'd like to exercise..but with so many loopholes..some may decide it may not be in their favor "

Has a member of the public ever been sued for trying to help someone in need? That sounds like a myth to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seen it myself many times. I once stopped and kept an eye on a boy of around 4 or 5 who was stood looking worried and lost by a main road. Loads of people walked past, saw he was alone and scared and ignored him. I get that people are afraid of accusations when it involves kids, but he was stood by a main road.... I stood there ready to intervene if necessary until his worried mum came running back and he was safe."

good way of dealing with that situation xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd have thought there would be staff(trained in first aid) who would have came.

Its a bit grey on the area of responsibility for anothers life, the problems are:

will u be sued for being untrained

will u risk ur life to help another

big problems when things like this occur..there is a duty of care I'd like to exercise..but with so many loopholes..some may decide it may not be in their favor

Has a member of the public ever been sued for trying to help someone in need? That sounds like a myth to me. "

the thought of it might be enough to be honest...watch several videos where people walk past someone looking like they are having a any of the above...and u will see people look and think..look and think..and walk on..

I'm not saying I would lol: last year I as d*unk in a night club, I was accosted by a bouncer and held..I then watched a girl fall and CRACK her head loudly...the bouncers could not help, I gave advice and was restrained further..I wouldnt have given physical help because I was d*unk..but I knew they werent doing what should be done.If I had helped out, I may have been liable if something went wrong though.

Sorry, big rant, but I dont think its a complete myth, even in a time of injury that a person wont(mostly via some claims 'specialist'), see what options there are to be compensated.

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

A few months back I gave CPR to a gentleman that had collapsed while calling 999 & no one helped me. Some people had better hope that what goes around does not come back around

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think now days we live in a society where people want to help but are afraid to, expecially where children are involved, I don't think many men would go over to an unattended child, most would look for a woman to go affer help, it's sad when helping others makes good people feel that way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*offer

third time lucky lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely rife on, FAB.

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By *ittykate84Woman
over a year ago

CHESTER

Wow I cant believe they would do that! Even if I wasnt a qualified first aider (which luckily I am) I would have made sure the child was ok and not on their own especially if known to me or in a place like that!

Im glad she is resting and the little one is with you im sure the excitement of being out for dinner from home has cheered him up no end!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolutely rife on, FAB."

you do talk some fucking pish sometimes....this was NOTHING to do with fab...or (fab) or "fab" or 'fab'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is how society has become some people just don't give a fuck and think off only themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"what a shame, hope they both are ok.

They are thank you... Fortunately i know them so was able to help out.. Her son is stopping for tea at mine while his mum is sleeping it off at home

Great work and well done to you , your a super star

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow speechless!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would like to think I would help but I am not sure to be honest, if I thought others were going to stop I would just walk on as I have no first aid skills.

I agree. While generally I would always try and help someone in trouble I wouldn't have a clue what to do to help someone having a seizure"

You don't need special skills. Just a calm approach and ring for help

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"I'd have thought there would be staff(trained in first aid) who would have came.

Its a bit grey on the area of responsibility for anothers life, the problems are:

will u be sued for being untrained

will u risk ur life to help another

big problems when things like this occur..there is a duty of care I'd like to exercise..but with so many loopholes..some may decide it may not be in their favor

Has a member of the public ever been sued for trying to help someone in need? That sounds like a myth to me. "

My business is personal injury: unfortunately it's not a myth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd have thought there would be staff(trained in first aid) who would have came.

Its a bit grey on the area of responsibility for anothers life, the problems are:

will u be sued for being untrained

will u risk ur life to help another

big problems when things like this occur..there is a duty of care I'd like to exercise..but with so many loopholes..some may decide it may not be in their favor

Has a member of the public ever been sued for trying to help someone in need? That sounds like a myth to me.

My business is personal injury: unfortunately it's not a myth."

there was a case in our local paper of a woman suing a man for sexual assult for giving her mouth to mouth without a mouth cover on, and because he made skin contact she won

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My business is personal injury: unfortunately it's not a myth."

"there was a case in our local paper of a woman suing a man for sexual assult for giving her mouth to mouth without a mouth cover on, and because he made skin contact she won"

Are you both sure that the person being used was just a member of the public and not expected to give first aid? It's just I can't find any articles about someone being successfully sued.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd have thought there would be staff(trained in first aid) who would have came.

Its a bit grey on the area of responsibility for anothers life, the problems are:

will u be sued for being untrained

will u risk ur life to help another

big problems when things like this occur..there is a duty of care I'd like to exercise..but with so many loopholes..some may decide it may not be in their favor

Has a member of the public ever been sued for trying to help someone in need? That sounds like a myth to me.

My business is personal injury: unfortunately it's not a myth.

there was a case in our local paper of a woman suing a man for sexual assult for giving her mouth to mouth without a mouth cover on, and because he made skin contact she won"

and if he hadnt given mouth to mouth she possibly wouldnt have been alive to tell the story - omfg

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My business is personal injury: unfortunately it's not a myth.

there was a case in our local paper of a woman suing a man for sexual assult for giving her mouth to mouth without a mouth cover on, and because he made skin contact she won

Are you both sure that the person being used was just a member of the public and not expected to give first aid? It's just I can't find any articles about someone being successfully sued. "

no idea I just read the story in the local express and star

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My business is personal injury: unfortunately it's not a myth.

there was a case in our local paper of a woman suing a man for sexual assult for giving her mouth to mouth without a mouth cover on, and because he made skin contact she won

Are you both sure that the person being used was just a member of the public and not expected to give first aid? It's just I can't find any articles about someone being successfully sued.

no idea I just read the story in the local express and star

I'm not sure what to make of that. If it's true, then it's yellow journalism. If it's not, then it doesn't help to perpetuate the disgusting notion of not helping others in need.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"what a shame, hope they both are ok.

They are thank you... Fortunately i know them so was able to help out.. Her son is stopping for tea at mine while his mum is sleeping it off at home

Great work and well done to you , your a super star"

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

No one has to know first aid skills to call an ambulance and try and calm a child if needed.

It is a shame that so many turn the other cheek.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a man if I see a child clearly lost or alone etc girt thought is "oh I should help" second is "don't go anywhere near or you're gonna get labelled a pedo".

Sad bur true these days as a bloke it's assumed of you're anywhere near a kid it's because you're going to molest them.

Heck there was that thing in the papers a while back where a dad got stopped by someone an the phoned the police because he was taking pictures of his own son playing at the park.

All it takes is one person to decide that's what your doing an that label will be stuck with you forever true or not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd have thought there would be staff(trained in first aid) who would have came.

Its a bit grey on the area of responsibility for anothers life, the problems are:

will u be sued for being untrained

will u risk ur life to help another

big problems when things like this occur..there is a duty of care I'd like to exercise..but with so many loopholes..some may decide it may not be in their favor

Has a member of the public ever been sued for trying to help someone in need? That sounds like a myth to me.

My business is personal injury: unfortunately it's not a myth.

there was a case in our local paper of a woman suing a man for sexual assult for giving her mouth to mouth without a mouth cover on, and because he made skin contact she won

and if he hadnt given mouth to mouth she possibly wouldnt have been alive to tell the story - omfg "

Unless she'd been drowning it wouldn't actually make much difference at all hence why it's not taught as part of cpr anymore.

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By *he Queen of TartsWoman
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over a year ago

My Own Little World

"I'd have thought there would be staff(trained in first aid) who would have came.

Its a bit grey on the area of responsibility for anothers life, the problems are:

will u be sued for being untrained

will u risk ur life to help another

big problems when things like this occur..there is a duty of care I'd like to exercise..but with so many loopholes..some may decide it may not be in their favor

Has a member of the public ever been sued for trying to help someone in need? That sounds like a myth to me.

My business is personal injury: unfortunately it's not a myth.

there was a case in our local paper of a woman suing a man for sexual assult for giving her mouth to mouth without a mouth cover on, and because he made skin contact she won

and if he hadnt given mouth to mouth she possibly wouldnt have been alive to tell the story - omfg

Unless she'd been drowning it wouldn't actually make much difference at all hence why it's not taught as part of cpr anymore. "

It was when I did my refresher course in Feb.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well every time I do my life support refresher (yearly cos of my job) its always reiterated that nobody has been successfully sued for helping. There's nowt worse than dead and that's what the courts would look at so sue away!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"what a shame, hope they both are ok.

They are thank you... Fortunately i know them so was able to help out.. Her son is stopping for tea at mine while his mum is sleeping it off at home

Terrible , I understand this I have l a special

Needs child and people can be ignorant and cruel when all you need is assistance . Good on you Hun x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd have thought there would be staff(trained in first aid) who would have came.

Its a bit grey on the area of responsibility for anothers life, the problems are:

will u be sued for being untrained

will u risk ur life to help another

big problems when things like this occur..there is a duty of care I'd like to exercise..but with so many loopholes..some may decide it may not be in their favor

Has a member of the public ever been sued for trying to help someone in need? That sounds like a myth to me.

My business is personal injury: unfortunately it's not a myth.

there was a case in our local paper of a woman suing a man for sexual assult for giving her mouth to mouth without a mouth cover on, and because he made skin contact she won

and if he hadnt given mouth to mouth she possibly wouldnt have been alive to tell the story - omfg

Unless she'd been drowning it wouldn't actually make much difference at all hence why it's not taught as part of cpr anymore.

It was when I did my refresher course in Feb."

Rescue breaths are advised but not mandatory as the chest compressions are the vital component. The gold standard would be to give breaths but its a personal choice. Personally if it was a stranger on the street then id be thinking of my own health. If it was a child or family member that would go out the window and I'd do breaths.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd have thought there would be staff(trained in first aid) who would have came.

Its a bit grey on the area of responsibility for anothers life, the problems are:

will u be sued for being untrained

will u risk ur life to help another

big problems when things like this occur..there is a duty of care I'd like to exercise..but with so many loopholes..some may decide it may not be in their favor

Has a member of the public ever been sued for trying to help someone in need? That sounds like a myth to me.

My business is personal injury: unfortunately it's not a myth.

there was a case in our local paper of a woman suing a man for sexual assult for giving her mouth to mouth without a mouth cover on, and because he made skin contact she won

and if he hadnt given mouth to mouth she possibly wouldnt have been alive to tell the story - omfg

Unless she'd been drowning it wouldn't actually make much difference at all hence why it's not taught as part of cpr anymore.

It was when I did my refresher course in Feb."

Never been a part of my rescue and emergency care courses except in the case of drowning.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

This is sadly becoming the norm of people either walking by, or videoing it and putting on facebook.

I always thought that you cant get sued for saving some ones life, I remember a case of soneone trapped in a car that was starting to catch fire. They got pulked out of the car and got paralysed, it went to court and got kicked out as if they had not been pulled out the person would be dead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Id help or at least stay with a person until people who know what they are doing turn up - it doesnt take much effort really and none of us are really that important that taking a wee while out of our normal routine would cause the sky to fall in. Free will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so difficult to go against human nature - im a carer and if a service user falls we have to let them - cant get them up - all because if we do and make something worse occur we can be liable - world gone daft

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so difficult to go against human nature - im a carer and if a service user falls we have to let them - cant get them up - all because if we do and make something worse occur we can be liable - world gone daft "

So what do you do just stand there and just look at them lying on the floor?

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

So what do you do just stand there and just look at them lying on the floor?"
I would imagine not, helping them to help themselves I would say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would like to think I would help but I am not sure to be honest, if I thought others were going to stop I would just walk on as I have no first aid skills.

Hope I don't need any help when you are around. And why thumb up that you won't help?

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

I will ALWAYS stop and help anyone I think is in need of help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what do you do just stand there and just look at them lying on the floor?I would imagine not, helping them to help themselves I would say."

What's that then? Shouting encouragement to the old person lying on the floor groping for something to help pull themselves up?

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over a year ago

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So what do you do just stand there and just look at them lying on the floor?I would imagine not, helping them to help themselves I would say.

What's that then? Shouting encouragement to the old person lying on the floor groping for something to help pull themselves up?"
Firstly why would anyone shout? Secondly why would anyone grope around just cause they are elderly?

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over a year ago

So what do you do just stand there and just look at them lying on the floor?"

if they are unable to assist themselves we have to dial 999 - sad but true

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So what do you do just stand there and just look at them lying on the floor?I would imagine not, helping them to help themselves I would say.

What's that then? Shouting encouragement to the old person lying on the floor groping for something to help pull themselves up?"

no of course not - you calm them down - ask about any pain - etc

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So what do you do just stand there and just look at them lying on the floor?I would imagine not, helping them to help themselves I would say.

What's that then? Shouting encouragement to the old person lying on the floor groping for something to help pull themselves up?Firstly why would anyone shout? Secondly why would anyone grope around just cause they are elderly?

If you've just fallen to the floor and can't get up groping for something to pull yourself up with is the general next step.

Not like your at your most mobile and coordinated after hitting the dirt is it.

And shouting because calmly saying "come on Edna you can do it!" Just lacks the sense of team spirit required in such a situation for them to "help them help themselves"

But sarcasm aside how is it helping them help themselves?

It's not like they can just will muscles and joints that don't work properly anymore to work if you leave them on the floor for long enough.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

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So what do you do just stand there and just look at them lying on the floor?I would imagine not, helping them to help themselves I would say.

If you've just fallen to the floor and can't get up groping for something to pull yourself up with is the general next step.

Not like your at your most mobile and coordinated after hitting the dirt is it.

And shouting because calmly saying "come on Edna you can do it!" Just lacks the sense of team spirit required in such a situation for them to "help them help themselves"

But sarcasm aside how is it helping them help themselves?

It's not like they can just will muscles and joints that don't work properly anymore to work if you leave them on the floor for long enough. "
Sarcasm aside, why are assuming all elderly people requiring care are not able to get themselves up?

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So what do you do just stand there and just look at them lying on the floor?I would imagine not, helping them to help themselves I would say.

If you've just fallen to the floor and can't get up groping for something to pull yourself up with is the general next step.

Not like your at your most mobile and coordinated after hitting the dirt is it.

And shouting because calmly saying "come on Edna you can do it!" Just lacks the sense of team spirit required in such a situation for them to "help them help themselves"

But sarcasm aside how is it helping them help themselves?

It's not like they can just will muscles and joints that don't work properly anymore to work if you leave them on the floor for long enough. "

if a fall has left them unable to move they obviously need medical attention - so we leave them as comfy as possible until emergency services arrive - and why you fixated on the elderly - could apply to yourself

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