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"I hope they do vote for independence, after them Wales maybe, followed by N. I., we might then have more say what happens in England. " Jeezus, just when I thought I'd seen all the narrow minded views out there, one just jumps right up and slaps me! | |||
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"Because its one of the biggest events in UK history with huge implications for everyone in the country! " The Scots have been lamenting since the battle with King Edward about their much beloved lost land.... I guess countries do carry baggage for eons just like people do. A 'great' way to show the rising generations how to be mmmmm. Well here's hoping that if it is yes for Scotland that their anthem will change to much more cheeri-er words. | |||
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"Look Cameron was offered a debate about this from wee Eck and replied with it's nothing to do with him it's up to the Scottish voters how come that its got lots to do with him now..vote yes and lets break up this terrible union for scotlands sake" "Terrible union"...???!!! The ignorance of some people never fails to shock me......  | |||
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"Am i missing something, why are all the MP,s getting their knickers in a twist over Scottish independence? " Does this mean that if Scotland vote for independence we will be left with a lot of Scottish illegal immigrants in England  | |||
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"What happens to the people of Scotland if their economy takes a dive....move to the UK....wow what fun to be had with the politicians...UKIP I will have their hands full....... " | |||
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"Look Cameron was offered a debate about this from wee Eck and replied with it's nothing to do with him it's up to the Scottish voters how come that its got lots to do with him now..vote yes and lets break up this terrible union for scotlands sake "Terrible union"...???!!! The ignorance of some people never fails to shock me...... "if it is not a terrible union then how come the people of Scotland vote for a government and get stuck with another oh that's a good union for us.get real and keep your English government to yourself | |||
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"I hope they do vote for independence, after them Wales maybe, followed by N. I., we might then have more say what happens in England. Jeezus, just when I thought I'd seen all the narrow minded views out there, one just jumps right up and slaps me! " aye its pathetic im sure even the no voters cringe at such bile. YES from me | |||
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"Labour needs Scotland for the votes and I don't want to lose them or well be stuck with Tories forever " move to Scotland,enlands doomed to be a torrie ukip sespit | |||
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"Look Cameron was offered a debate about this from wee Eck and replied with it's nothing to do with him it's up to the Scottish voters how come that its got lots to do with him now..vote yes and lets break up this terrible union for scotlands sake "Terrible union"...???!!! The ignorance of some people never fails to shock me...... if it is not a terrible union then how come the people of Scotland vote for a government and get stuck with another oh that's a good union for us.get real and keep your English government to yourself "Er, the English also did not vote for the government we currently have. There should have been a re-election but the government we got lumbered with changed the rules to allow themselves to stay in power. As the electorate we should be able to say that's not permissible or acceptable. The problem is that our politicians think they can do as they like, and they actually seem to be able to! It occurs to me that with a smaller pool of voters in each country, it may be more difficult to campaign against these things, which is what we should be doing. Allowing our politicians to set their own rules, expenses, salary, perks, and everything else, and not to be able to even insist they attend Parliament and represent us, is just mad. As for allowing parties to know which way individuals vote, and making them vote with the party is leaving the party open to insisting MPs vote against the wishes of their constituents, which is actually their job! WE, as he electorate, allow all this. Our politicians totally take the piss, but we let them do it. | |||
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"Look Cameron was offered a debate about this from wee Eck and replied with it's nothing to do with him it's up to the Scottish voters how come that its got lots to do with him now..vote yes and lets break up this terrible union for scotlands sake "Terrible union"...???!!! The ignorance of some people never fails to shock me...... if it is not a terrible union then how come the people of Scotland vote for a government and get stuck with another oh that's a good union for us.get real and keep your English government to yourself "That's how is works in a democracy. Someone will always be unhappy at who gets in. So you were happy with the 13 years of Labour that YOU as a scot helped get into power. Who then did nothing but perpetuate Tory policy by a different name, who arguably did more damage to the country's finances than the Tories have done in the last 4 years. And you honestly think that an independent Scotland will be any better? The way this vote is going alone will leave 50% of the country unhappy with the result either way it goes, but they'll have to put up with it. The union has been great for both countries, the trouble is people like you thinking that if you'd been independent all along every fucker up here would have their own mansion and private oil well. Well you wouldn't. If you're lucky you'd be in the exact same position you are in now, and I'll tell you why.... The only people independence is going to be good for are the people who are already rich. As they are the ones who want payback for funding the campaigns. | |||
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"Look Cameron was offered a debate about this from wee Eck and replied with it's nothing to do with him it's up to the Scottish voters how come that its got lots to do with him now..vote yes and lets break up this terrible union for scotlands sake "Terrible union"...???!!! The ignorance of some people never fails to shock me...... if it is not a terrible union then how come the people of Scotland vote for a government and get stuck with another oh that's a good union for us.get real and keep your English government to yourself "Because Scotland is part of the UK and not the Whole of it..We didnt get our own way in the Elections so we are going home to sulk and taking our ball with us so nerr nerr 
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"Look Cameron was offered a debate about this from wee Eck and replied with it's nothing to do with him it's up to the Scottish voters how come that its got lots to do with him now..vote yes and lets break up this terrible union for scotlands sake "Terrible union"...???!!! The ignorance of some people never fails to shock me...... if it is not a terrible union then how come the people of Scotland vote for a government and get stuck with another oh that's a good union for us.get real and keep your English government to yourself
That's how is works in a democracy. Someone will always be unhappy at who gets in. So you were happy with the 13 years of Labour that YOU as a scot helped get into power. Who then did nothing but perpetuate Tory policy by a different name, who arguably did more damage to the country's finances than the Tories have done in the last 4 years.
And you honestly think that an independent Scotland will be any better? The way this vote is going alone will leave 50% of the country unhappy with the result either way it goes, but they'll have to put up with it.
The union has been great for both countries, the trouble is people like you thinking that if you'd been independent all along every fucker up here would have their own mansion and private oil well. Well you wouldn't. If you're lucky you'd be in the exact same position you are in now, and I'll tell you why....
The only people independence is going to be good for are the people who are already rich. As they are the ones who want payback for funding the campaigns. "it wont be 50-50,,YES will win with a landsilde victory | |||
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"Look Cameron was offered a debate about this from wee Eck and replied with it's nothing to do with him it's up to the Scottish voters how come that its got lots to do with him now..vote yes and lets break up this terrible union for scotlands sake "Terrible union"...???!!! The ignorance of some people never fails to shock me...... if it is not a terrible union then how come the people of Scotland vote for a government and get stuck with another oh that's a good union for us.get real and keep your English government to yourself
That's how is works in a democracy. Someone will always be unhappy at who gets in. So you were happy with the 13 years of Labour that YOU as a scot helped get into power. Who then did nothing but perpetuate Tory policy by a different name, who arguably did more damage to the country's finances than the Tories have done in the last 4 years.
And you honestly think that an independent Scotland will be any better? The way this vote is going alone will leave 50% of the country unhappy with the result either way it goes, but they'll have to put up with it.
The union has been great for both countries, the trouble is people like you thinking that if you'd been independent all along every fucker up here would have their own mansion and private oil well. Well you wouldn't. If you're lucky you'd be in the exact same position you are in now, and I'll tell you why....
The only people independence is going to be good for are the people who are already rich. As they are the ones who want payback for funding the campaigns. "Unfortunately its called democracy we vote them in and they do what they want | |||
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"then how come the people of Scotland vote for a government and get stuck with another oh that's a good union for us.get real and keep your English government to yourself " over the last 20'ish years there has been a labour government for 75%ish of the time. So that argument doesn't really hold water. | |||
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"Look Cameron was offered a debate about this from wee Eck and replied with it's nothing to do with him it's up to the Scottish voters how come that its got lots to do with him now..vote yes and lets break up this terrible union for scotlands sake "Terrible union"...???!!! The ignorance of some people never fails to shock me...... if it is not a terrible union then how come the people of Scotland vote for a government and get stuck with another oh that's a good union for us.get real and keep your English government to yourself
That's how is works in a democracy. Someone will always be unhappy at who gets in. So you were happy with the 13 years of Labour that YOU as a scot helped get into power. Who then did nothing but perpetuate Tory policy by a different name, who arguably did more damage to the country's finances than the Tories have done in the last 4 years.
And you honestly think that an independent Scotland will be any better? The way this vote is going alone will leave 50% of the country unhappy with the result either way it goes, but they'll have to put up with it.
The union has been great for both countries, the trouble is people like you thinking that if you'd been independent all along every fucker up here would have their own mansion and private oil well. Well you wouldn't. If you're lucky you'd be in the exact same position you are in now, and I'll tell you why....
The only people independence is going to be good for are the people who are already rich. As they are the ones who want payback for funding the campaigns.
it wont be 50-50,,YES will win with a landsilde victory"Hummm 70-80% expected turnout. All current preelection polls swing at most 5 point either way. Doubt a landslide is on the cards. | |||
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"If you look it up when Blair was put in office if you took the Scottish seats out he still would have won.but I don't think we will be better off or worse than we are now.but I would rather be ripped off by a Scottish government than English twats.so lets all vote yes and get rid of English fat cats replace them with Scottish ones " Would they be tartan cats then | |||
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"If you look it up when Blair was put in office if you took the Scottish seats out he still would have won.but I don't think we will be better off or worse than we are now.but I would rather be ripped off by a Scottish government than English twats.so lets all vote yes and get rid of English fat cats replace them with Scottish ones " So you're basically a rascist then? | |||
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"Look Cameron was offered a debate about this from wee Eck and replied with it's nothing to do with him it's up to the Scottish voters how come that its got lots to do with him now..vote yes and lets break up this terrible union for scotlands sake "Terrible union"...???!!! The ignorance of some people never fails to shock me...... if it is not a terrible union then how come the people of Scotland vote for a government and get stuck with another oh that's a good union for us.get real and keep your English government to yourself
That's how is works in a democracy. Someone will always be unhappy at who gets in. So you were happy with the 13 years of Labour that YOU as a scot helped get into power. Who then did nothing but perpetuate Tory policy by a different name, who arguably did more damage to the country's finances than the Tories have done in the last 4 years.
And you honestly think that an independent Scotland will be any better? The way this vote is going alone will leave 50% of the country unhappy with the result either way it goes, but they'll have to put up with it.
The union has been great for both countries, the trouble is people like you thinking that if you'd been independent all along every fucker up here would have their own mansion and private oil well. Well you wouldn't. If you're lucky you'd be in the exact same position you are in now, and I'll tell you why....
The only people independence is going to be good for are the people who are already rich. As they are the ones who want payback for funding the campaigns.
it wont be 50-50,,YES will win with a landsilde victory
Hummm 70-80% expected turnout. All current preelection polls swing at most 5 point either way. Doubt a landslide is on the cards."the polls mean nothing in this vote. | |||
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"Look Cameron was offered a debate about this from wee Eck and replied with it's nothing to do with him it's up to the Scottish voters how come that its got lots to do with him now..vote yes and lets break up this terrible union for scotlands sake "Terrible union"...???!!! The ignorance of some people never fails to shock me...... if it is not a terrible union then how come the people of Scotland vote for a government and get stuck with another oh that's a good union for us.get real and keep your English government to yourself
That's how is works in a democracy. Someone will always be unhappy at who gets in. So you were happy with the 13 years of Labour that YOU as a scot helped get into power. Who then did nothing but perpetuate Tory policy by a different name, who arguably did more damage to the country's finances than the Tories have done in the last 4 years.
And you honestly think that an independent Scotland will be any better? The way this vote is going alone will leave 50% of the country unhappy with the result either way it goes, but they'll have to put up with it.
The union has been great for both countries, the trouble is people like you thinking that if you'd been independent all along every fucker up here would have their own mansion and private oil well. Well you wouldn't. If you're lucky you'd be in the exact same position you are in now, and I'll tell you why....
The only people independence is going to be good for are the people who are already rich. As they are the ones who want payback for funding the campaigns.
it wont be 50-50,,YES will win with a landsilde victory
Hummm 70-80% expected turnout. All current preelection polls swing at most 5 point either way. Doubt a landslide is on the cards.
the polls mean nothing in this vote."I think a lot of yes voters will bottle it on the day ! | |||
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"Look Cameron was offered a debate about this from wee Eck and replied with it's nothing to do with him it's up to the Scottish voters how come that its got lots to do with him now..vote yes and lets break up this terrible union for scotlands sake "Terrible union"...???!!! The ignorance of some people never fails to shock me...... if it is not a terrible union then how come the people of Scotland vote for a government and get stuck with another oh that's a good union for us.get real and keep your English government to yourself "Democracy springs to mind..?? | |||
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"Look Cameron was offered a debate about this from wee Eck and replied with it's nothing to do with him it's up to the Scottish voters how come that its got lots to do with him now..vote yes and lets break up this terrible union for scotlands sake "Terrible union"...???!!! The ignorance of some people never fails to shock me...... if it is not a terrible union then how come the people of Scotland vote for a government and get stuck with another oh that's a good union for us.get real and keep your English government to yourself
That's how is works in a democracy. Someone will always be unhappy at who gets in. So you were happy with the 13 years of Labour that YOU as a scot helped get into power. Who then did nothing but perpetuate Tory policy by a different name, who arguably did more damage to the country's finances than the Tories have done in the last 4 years.
And you honestly think that an independent Scotland will be any better? The way this vote is going alone will leave 50% of the country unhappy with the result either way it goes, but they'll have to put up with it.
The union has been great for both countries, the trouble is people like you thinking that if you'd been independent all along every fucker up here would have their own mansion and private oil well. Well you wouldn't. If you're lucky you'd be in the exact same position you are in now, and I'll tell you why....
The only people independence is going to be good for are the people who are already rich. As they are the ones who want payback for funding the campaigns.
it wont be 50-50,,YES will win with a landsilde victory
Hummm 70-80% expected turnout. All current preelection polls swing at most 5 point either way. Doubt a landslide is on the cards.
the polls mean nothing in this vote.
I think a lot of yes voters will bottle it on the day !"You seriously underestimate the Scottish people then. | |||
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"Not sure whether this is 100% true but I've heard a 'Yes' vote will ensure that we always have a conservative government as we don't have enough Labour MP's in England and Wales. That's a scary thought." People keep quoting this but it's not really true. Labour would have won in 1997, 2001 and 2005 even if you didn't include Scottish votes. | |||
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"Look Cameron was offered a debate about this from wee Eck and replied with it's nothing to do with him it's up to the Scottish voters how come that its got lots to do with him now..vote yes and lets break up this terrible union for scotlands sake "Terrible union"...???!!! The ignorance of some people never fails to shock me...... if it is not a terrible union then how come the people of Scotland vote for a government and get stuck with another oh that's a good union for us.get real and keep your English government to yourself
That's how is works in a democracy. Someone will always be unhappy at who gets in. So you were happy with the 13 years of Labour that YOU as a scot helped get into power. Who then did nothing but perpetuate Tory policy by a different name, who arguably did more damage to the country's finances than the Tories have done in the last 4 years.
And you honestly think that an independent Scotland will be any better? The way this vote is going alone will leave 50% of the country unhappy with the result either way it goes, but they'll have to put up with it.
The union has been great for both countries, the trouble is people like you thinking that if you'd been independent all along every fucker up here would have their own mansion and private oil well. Well you wouldn't. If you're lucky you'd be in the exact same position you are in now, and I'll tell you why....
The only people independence is going to be good for are the people who are already rich. As they are the ones who want payback for funding the campaigns.
it wont be 50-50,,YES will win with a landsilde victory
Hummm 70-80% expected turnout. All current preelection polls swing at most 5 point either way. Doubt a landslide is on the cards.
the polls mean nothing in this vote.
I think a lot of yes voters will bottle it on the day !
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"Also as a union surely this vote should be open to the whole union. Especially as it will have political and economic effects on both sides." Yes a very good point | |||
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"Not sure whether this is 100% true but I've heard a 'Yes' vote will ensure that we always have a conservative government as we don't have enough Labour MP's in England and Wales. That's a scary thought. People keep quoting this but it's not really true. Labour would have won in 1997, 2001 and 2005 even if you didn't include Scottish votes. " I hope it's not true. If it happens I'm moving to Scotland. | |||
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"Yes or no, absolutely nothing will change for the ordinary person. A few rich people will get a few million more, a lot of poorer people will get a few pennies less, a lot of hot air will be blown away on the breeze." Who do you think will foot the bill for all the change? | |||
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"Even on a high turnout, there's still likely to be 20% or so of people who haven't voted at all. Since all the polling is so close, if it's a yes vote, it will have been done on the basis of a minority of the country choosing independence because those people have not voted. It's a pretty big deal for the future of Scotland and the rest of the uk to be determined by such a small number of people. " Cameron agreed to the referendum and he was voted into power by the majority of england | |||
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"Cameron will go down in history as the person that broke up the union. As for Mr Milliband he knows he can't get to No 10 without the Scots. LIB Dems follow any party just to be in government. " So why are the Tories so dead against it? They dont do well in Scotland at all so by breaking away ( or allowing the Scots to do their dirty work) theyre cutting out negating shedloads of safe labour seats. I.E. culling the opposition numbers. The Scots would be better sticking with Britain and helping fight the for the working classes IMHO. | |||
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"Also as a union surely this vote should be open to the whole union. Especially as it will have political and economic effects on both sides." Cameron agreed to the referendum and he was voted into power by the majority of england | |||
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"Cameron will go down in history as the person that broke up the union. As for Mr Milliband he knows he can't get to No 10 without the Scots. LIB Dems follow any party just to be in government. So why are the Tories so dead against it? They dont do well in Scotland at all so by breaking away ( or allowing the Scots to do their dirty work) theyre cutting out negating shedloads of safe labour seats. I.E. culling the opposition numbers. The Scots would be better sticking with Britain and helping fight the for the working classes IMHO. " Because in general larger groups of people are economically more financially secure and more trade takes place without restrictions. | |||
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"Because he knows its going to do harm to the u.k as all the money ain't going in his big pot "  | |||
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"So Scotland never gets the government it votes for, Really? 1951 Scotland voted Tory; we got a Tory Govt. 1955 Scotland voted Tory; we got a Tory Govt. 1959 Scotland voted Tory; we got a Tory Govt.... 1964 Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt, however England voted Tory. 1966 Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt. 1974 (February) Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt, however England voted Tory, 1974 (October) Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt. 1979, 1983, 1987 & 1992 we had a Tory Govt thanks to the motion of No Confidence in Jim Callaghan's Labour Govt that the SNP tabled. When Thatcher realised that the SNP were siding with her she then tabled her own motion of No Confidence, which took precedence over the SNP's motion. Supported by the 11 SNP MPs her motion of No Confidence was carried by 1 vote. The SNP are responsible for starting the Thatcher years. 1997 Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt. 2001 Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt. 2005 Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt. 2010 Nobody got the Govt they voted for - only 7 months to go to the next election. In 1999, Labour delivered devolution and no one can dispute that in 1997, 2003, 2007 and 2011 Scotland got what it voted for."" Salmond would have your head on a spike for saying that. You may even get a couple of thousand yes campaigners on you doorstep in protest at your lies and scaremongering. Funny thing though. What you say is TRUE. | |||
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"I hope they do vote for independence, after them Wales maybe, followed by N. I., we might then have more say what happens in England. " I agree | |||
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"At least if the Scots vote Yes.... the English sofa sitting non voting moaners might get up and vote for a change...now that WOULD change the face of politics in England for once in 40 years..." lol,,how true they did,nt even notice Cameron agreed to the referendum and he was elected by them. | |||
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"Yes or no, absolutely nothing will change for the ordinary person. A few rich people will get a few million more, a lot of poorer people will get a few pennies less, a lot of hot air will be blown away on the breeze. Who do you think will foot the bill for all the change? " A few pennies from lots of people. Petrol or booze or whatever will go down by a few pennies, status quo restored. In 6 months time all this palaver will be forgotten about in favour of the next world-wide atrocity cooked up by a bunch of nutcases in some shithole country. Nothing will change. | |||
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"Also as a union surely this vote should be open to the whole union. Especially as it will have political and economic effects on both sides. Cameron agreed to the referendum and he was voted into power by the majority of england " Majority of the union. 4 countries not just England. Also I'm neither for or against independence, just don't feel the issue has been handled properly. | |||
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"I hope they do vote for independence, after them Wales maybe, followed by N. I., we might then have more say what happens in England. Jeezus, just when I thought I'd seen all the narrow minded views out there, one just jumps right up and slaps me! " Is it only English people who can be narrow minded, about 50% of the Scottish people want independence. | |||
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"Also as a union surely this vote should be open to the whole union. Especially as it will have political and economic effects on both sides. Cameron agreed to the referendum and he was voted into power by the majority of england Majority of the union. 4 countries not just England. Also I'm neither for or against independence, just don't feel the issue has been handled properly." no its been handled very well you just did,nt notice or care and if you did just like Cameron you never realised the growing yes vote in Scotland and now your worried. Im also fed up hearing people saying its just salmonds vision for an independent Scotland,,lol that's laughable theres a huge movement up here and WE want independence. we will get it sooner or later. | |||
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"Also as a union surely this vote should be open to the whole union. Especially as it will have political and economic effects on both sides. Cameron agreed to the referendum and he was voted into power by the majority of england Majority of the union. 4 countries not just England. Also I'm neither for or against independence, just don't feel the issue has been handled properly. no its been handled very well you just did,nt notice or care and if you did just like Cameron you never realised the growing yes vote in Scotland and now your worried. Im also fed up hearing people saying its just salmonds vision for an independent Scotland,,lol that's laughable theres a huge movement up here and WE want independence. we will get it sooner or later." I hope you vote yes, because unless it is an overwhelming no, it will come round again pretty soon. | |||
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"If you look it up when Blair was put in office if you took the Scottish seats out he still would have won.but I don't think we will be better off or worse than we are now.but I would rather be ripped off by a Scottish government than English twats.so lets all vote yes and get rid of English fat cats replace them with Scottish ones So you're basically a rascist then? " no basically about it lets get rid of the English | |||
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"I've not heard any! It's not about the scots against the English. It's about the idiots in London who decides what happens around the uk. They take care of the millionaires instead of the millions with very little, tax cuts for the rich and bedroom taxes for the poor. The people who try to make out it's a scots v english thing need a boot up the hole! " Unfortunately - as shown by the semi-literate racist a few posts up - for some people its ALL about that. I did a re-enactment show a few yrs ago at Bannockburn. The re-enactors, the ordinary crowd were lovely. It took a turn for the worse when the SNP rally across the road decided to visit. Two days of having 'English Bastard' yelled in your face by SNP supporters isn't what I would call a nice weekend away. Because of that event, I now firmly believe that the SNP and its grassroots membership are - at core - essentially anti English. I do NOT believe the wider independence campaign is such, but for me the SNP are. | |||
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"I've not heard any! It's not about the scots against the English. It's about the idiots in London who decides what happens around the uk. They take care of the millionaires instead of the millions with very little, tax cuts for the rich and bedroom taxes for the poor. The people who try to make out it's a scots v english thing need a boot up the hole! " 3 or 4 posts up... "no basically about it lets get rid of the English" I've heard plenty and I'm getting tired of it. I've always regarded and treated Scots the same as anyone else from the UK. I support them in International rugby if they're playing (unless it's against England, obviously) and I'm pretty sure I've never oppressed a Scot in any way, shape or form. I've certainly never been rude to, or insulted a Scot for being Scottish. I'm getting to the point, however, that what I am hearing is making me think that if Scots want independence then they're welcome to it and I hope they hack Scotland away from England totally and live happily ever after on their own little island. By all means hate our politicians - I do - but most of "The English" have done nothing to warrant the vile outpourings. | |||
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"Well I'm Scottish and live in england and I don't know anyone Scottish who is anti English, you do seem to be very Anti-Scottish though. Scots hate english and vice versa is a thing of the past fortunately. Or so I thought. " In what way do I seem anti-Scottish? Other than saying I'd really like not to be hearing so much anti-English sentiment and that I am absolutely tired of it. Do you deny that there is anti-English sentiment on this post, such as the post I actually quoted? Find me the anti-Scottish sentiment on this post. Find me one single thing I have ever, EVER, said on here that is anti-Scottish. I guarantee you won't be able to. Perhaps you missed the bit in my post where I said I don't treat Scots differently to anyone else from the UK. | |||
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"Even on a high turnout, there's still likely to be 20% or so of people who haven't voted at all. Since all the polling is so close, if it's a yes vote, it will have been done on the basis of a minority of the country choosing independence because those people have not voted. It's a pretty big deal for the future of Scotland and the rest of the uk to be determined by such a small number of people. " You can't allow for the people who don't vote cos if you did we would never get anything done | |||
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"Well I'm Scottish and live in england and I don't know anyone Scottish who is anti English, you do seem to be very Anti-Scottish though. Scots hate english and vice versa is a thing of the past fortunately. Or so I thought. " Sadly from my experience what you say isn't true. | |||
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"Look Cameron was offered a debate about this from wee Eck and replied with it's nothing to do with him it's up to the Scottish voters how come that its got lots to do with him now..vote yes and lets break up this terrible union for scotlands sake "Terrible union"...???!!! The ignorance of some people never fails to shock me...... if it is not a terrible union then how come the people of Scotland vote for a government and get stuck with another oh that's a good union for us.get real and keep your English government to yourself "So does everyone who voted labour last time get to leave as well? | |||
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"I've heard plenty and I'm getting tired of it. I've always regarded and treated Scots the same as anyone else from the UK. I support them in International rugby if they're playing (unless it's against England, obviously) and I'm pretty sure I've never oppressed a Scot in any way, shape or form. I've certainly never been rude to, or insulted a Scot for being Scottish. I'm getting to the point, however, that what I am hearing is making me think that if Scots want independence then they're welcome to it and I hope they hack Scotland away from England totally and live happily ever after on their own little island. Well I suggest the above implies that the scots hate the english etc and good riddence to them should they leave, as I said in from Glasgow and I know no one who dislikes english people, politicians hell yea but not the people of england. I hope they do get the right vote and the rest of the uk benefits from it, each country should manage their own affairs. " Then you need to read my post again. What I am hearing, on threads like these, and elsewhere, is a lot of hatred for "the bastard English" and I am tired of it. I've never had a problem with Scots but I don't want to be hearing about being a bastard English person. How would you expect me to react to that? Is it not a fairly reasonable reaction to say, well, if that's how you feel, rebuild your border, sod off over it and leave us alone? Insults and name calling tend to have that effect. | |||
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"Well I'm Scottish and live in england and I don't know anyone Scottish who is anti English, you do seem to be very Anti-Scottish though. Scots hate english and vice versa is a thing of the past fortunately. Or so I thought. Sadly from my experience what you say isn't true." Same here. | |||
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"I've heard plenty and I'm getting tired of it. I've always regarded and treated Scots the same as anyone else from the UK. I support them in International rugby if they're playing (unless it's against England, obviously) and I'm pretty sure I've never oppressed a Scot in any way, shape or form. I've certainly never been rude to, or insulted a Scot for being Scottish. I'm getting to the point, however, that what I am hearing is making me think that if Scots want independence then they're welcome to it and I hope they hack Scotland away from England totally and live happily ever after on their own little island. Well I suggest the above implies that the scots hate the english etc and good riddence to them should they leave, as I said in from Glasgow and I know no one who dislikes english people, politicians hell yea but not the people of england. I hope they do get the right vote and the rest of the uk benefits from it, each country should manage their own affairs. Then you need to read my post again. What I am hearing, on threads like these, and elsewhere, is a lot of hatred for "the bastard English" and I am tired of it. I've never had a problem with Scots but I don't want to be hearing about being a bastard English person. How would you expect me to react to that? Is it not a fairly reasonable reaction to say, well, if that's how you feel, rebuild your border, sod off over it and leave us alone? Insults and name calling tend to have that effect." Haha ... I heard a guy mumble Scottish prick last week at the casino because I got served before him, that was just one arsehole guy, I wouidnt judge every other english person by his remark. As I said earlier we have idiots both side of the border and thankfully the minority. | |||
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"Cameron will go down in history as the person that broke up the union. As for Mr Milliband he knows he can't get to No 10 without the Scots. LIB Dems follow any party just to be in government. Not Alex Salmond then? Who's been campaigning for this long before Mr Cameron became Prime Minister...." And good on him, he's trying to make a fairer country for the people. Wouldn't you appreciate free education for your family and free prescriptions etc. It should be the same all over. | |||
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"if the scots vote yes and become a prosperous nation and in a few years time have no regrets about leaving the union,then maybe our welsh friends may decide to go it alone !, Exactly! And maybe the english will get a better deal also with parliament just running their own country. " That's what I want, I think that our MP,s would be more accountable. | |||
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Utter nonsense! I don't believe a word of that. "Those attitudes exist, even if you have never seen them. How many people does it take to tell you they have personally experienced extreme hatred from Scottish people just because they are English before you accept it is possible? There are at least 3 on this thread alone now. Perhaps you and the people you associate with don't feel like this but, I assure you, some really do. I'm not talking about people muttering Scottish prick in a bar here! | |||
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"Mabey just mabey it gives a hint to Cameron to sort this country out. If Scotland leave then I wish them the very best." No, it will indicate to Cameron that he now needs to wring even more money out of the poor that are left, to continue supplying the trough he and his mates have their snouts in. | |||
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"Well I think we have idiots both sides of the border, it doesn't mean everyone has that same opinion. X The difference being for me is....I must have been very naive as I didn't even know there was a divide until I started using the net. Then I found that a lot of Scottish ( amongst others) really hated the English. I thought it was banter at first but it wasn't. Then I went to visit a woman who I used to speak to in Scotland. She took me to her local and introduced me as "her English friend" and out of the nine people in the group , eight turned away from me and one said hello. The one who said hello told me that when they were children they got told to never go near the English as they eat their own babies
Utter nonsense! I don't believe a word of that.
Those attitudes exist, even if you have never seen them. How many people does it take to tell you they have personally experienced extreme hatred from Scottish people just because they are English before you accept it is possible?
There are at least 3 on this thread alone now.
Perhaps you and the people you associate with don't feel like this but, I assure you, some really do.
I'm not talking about people muttering Scottish prick in a bar here!"Well since I lived in Glasgow for 36yrs I think I have a better understanding of the Scottish people then you do, as for 8 out of 9 people turning away as they heard someone was english, when did this visit take place 300yrs ago? Maybe you have had an experience and I've had a few but nothing as bad or to the extent that you are making out to be. I'm surprised at the anti scots attitude to be honest, it's attitudes like that fuels hatred all over the world. | |||
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"Well I think we have idiots both sides of the border, it doesn't mean everyone has that same opinion. X The difference being for me is....I must have been very naive as I didn't even know there was a divide until I started using the net. Then I found that a lot of Scottish ( amongst others) really hated the English. I thought it was banter at first but it wasn't. Then I went to visit a woman who I used to speak to in Scotland. She took me to her local and introduced me as "her English friend" and out of the nine people in the group , eight turned away from me and one said hello. The one who said hello told me that when they were children they got told to never go near the English as they eat their own babies
Utter nonsense! I don't believe a word of that.
Those attitudes exist, even if you have never seen them. How many people does it take to tell you they have personally experienced extreme hatred from Scottish people just because they are English before you accept it is possible?
There are at least 3 on this thread alone now.
Perhaps you and the people you associate with don't feel like this but, I assure you, some really do.
I'm not talking about people muttering Scottish prick in a bar here!
Well since I lived in Glasgow for 36yrs I think I have a better understanding of the Scottish people then you do, as for 8 out of 9 people turning away as they heard someone was english, when did this visit take place 300yrs ago?
Maybe you have had an experience and I've had a few but nothing as bad or to the extent that you are making out to be. I'm surprised at the anti scots attitude to be honest, it's attitudes like that fuels hatred all over the world. "*sigh* 3 people telling you they have personally experienced anti-English behaviour and you're turning it into an ill-informed English liars and Scots-haters story! Unreal. | |||
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"Well I think we have idiots both sides of the border, it doesn't mean everyone has that same opinion. X The difference being for me is....I must have been very naive as I didn't even know there was a divide until I started using the net. Then I found that a lot of Scottish ( amongst others) really hated the English. I thought it was banter at first but it wasn't. Then I went to visit a woman who I used to speak to in Scotland. She took me to her local and introduced me as "her English friend" and out of the nine people in the group , eight turned away from me and one said hello. The one who said hello told me that when they were children they got told to never go near the English as they eat their own babies
Utter nonsense! I don't believe a word of that.
Those attitudes exist, even if you have never seen them. How many people does it take to tell you they have personally experienced extreme hatred from Scottish people just because they are English before you accept it is possible?
There are at least 3 on this thread alone now.
Perhaps you and the people you associate with don't feel like this but, I assure you, some really do.
I'm not talking about people muttering Scottish prick in a bar here!
Well since I lived in Glasgow for 36yrs I think I have a better understanding of the Scottish people then you do, as for 8 out of 9 people turning away as they heard someone was english, when did this visit take place 300yrs ago?
Maybe you have had an experience and I've had a few but nothing as bad or to the extent that you are making out to be. I'm surprised at the anti scots attitude to be honest, it's attitudes like that fuels hatred all over the world.
*sigh* 3 people telling you they have personally experienced anti-English behaviour and you're turning it into an ill-informed English liars and Scots-haters story! Unreal.
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"Well I think we have idiots both sides of the border, it doesn't mean everyone has that same opinion. X The difference being for me is....I must have been very naive as I didn't even know there was a divide until I started using the net. Then I found that a lot of Scottish ( amongst others) really hated the English. I thought it was banter at first but it wasn't. Then I went to visit a woman who I used to speak to in Scotland. She took me to her local and introduced me as "her English friend" and out of the nine people in the group , eight turned away from me and one said hello. The one who said hello told me that when they were children they got told to never go near the English as they eat their own babies
Utter nonsense! I don't believe a word of that.
Those attitudes exist, even if you have never seen them. How many people does it take to tell you they have personally experienced extreme hatred from Scottish people just because they are English before you accept it is possible?
There are at least 3 on this thread alone now.
Perhaps you and the people you associate with don't feel like this but, I assure you, some really do.
I'm not talking about people muttering Scottish prick in a bar here!
Well since I lived in Glasgow for 36yrs I think I have a better understanding of the Scottish people then you do, as for 8 out of 9 people turning away as they heard someone was english, when did this visit take place 300yrs ago?
Maybe you have had an experience and I've had a few but nothing as bad or to the extent that you are making out to be. I'm surprised at the anti scots attitude to be honest, it's attitudes like that fuels hatred all over the world.
*sigh* 3 people telling you they have personally experienced anti-English behaviour and you're turning it into an ill-informed English liars and Scots-haters story! Unreal.
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Can't help thinking that some are just trying to find something else to swipe at David Cameron for.
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"Cameron will go down in history as the person that broke up the union. As for Mr Milliband he knows he can't get to No 10 without the Scots. LIB Dems follow any party just to be in government. Not Alex Salmond then? Who's been campaigning for this long before Mr Cameron became Prime Minister.... And good on him, he's trying to make a fairer country for the people. Wouldn't you appreciate free education for your family and free prescriptions etc. It should be the same all over. So now I'm confused. Some say Cameron will go down in History for being the one to break up the Union, and this is seen as really bad. Ooh he's a bad man. But if the blame is placed on Alex Salmonds shoulders he is hailed as a hero.
Can't help thinking that some are just trying to find something else to swipe at David Cameron for.
What about the war criminal Tony Blair, who took Britain to war in Iraq against public opinion.
Or Chancellor Gordon Brown to who brought the UK to almost bankrupted the nation?"If you look again I never said that about Cameron lol. Actually Tony Blair only acted on the info he was given at the time and if it had been correct (we all know now it wasn't) he would have been slaughtered for not acting. As for Gordon brown he is indeed a prick, even though he's a Scot | |||
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"Another funny thing that I've noticed. Everything that anyone says in favour of the union or against independence is lies and scaremongering. Apart from Kim Jung whatsisname in North Korea, pretty much every political leader says that it would be a mistake to split. Salmond says it is lies and scaremongering. Pretty much every serious economist in the world (most recently Alan Greenspan) has said that Salmonds figures on everything from oil to pensions don't add up. Salmond says it is lies and scaremongering. The head of pretty much every major business in Scotland says that the Scottish economy will at best face a serious downturn, and at worst a 1930's style depression. Salmond says it is lies and scaremongering. The yes campaign accuses the Tories of wanting to privatise the NHS in Scotland when they know damn well that they couldn't do it even if they wanted to because the NHS in Scotland is controlled by Hollyrood. Salmond knows too well that it is his lies and scaremongering. With all these voices and many many others all trying to tell the Scottish people that this is not a good idea, but only Salmond and his cohorts are saying otherwise. Has anyone from the yes camp, just for one moment stopped and thought. Maybe Salmond is WRONG?" You would need to be up here to see all the lies and scaremongering that's taking place and I inc BBC news in that,your NHS is under threat as the Westminster gov are going to sign a deal which opens up NHS to American private companies this fact has an impact on Scots NHS if we stay in Union.we also want rid of trident it's to expensive and only a symbol of power for Westminster.also other countries may question whether Westminster should be in G8 ? | |||
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"I've been to Scotland loads before and have been told on several occasions by Scottish people that they hate the English but don't mind "you lot" (i.e. Geordies). Bit of a case of insulting with one hand and complimenting with another. Haha they hate the english in Westminster haha So do most English people, but it's no reason for one section of the country to vote to cock it all up for everyone. " They haven't voted yet! And since you've been to Scotland loads shows you that it isn't such as bad place, the suggestion earlier that one woman when introduced to a scots crowd that 8 out of 9 turned their back on her because she is english is ludicrous. I don't know any scots who wouid be as rude as that never mind such the high percentage that she suggested. | |||
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I can assure you, that he is not speaking for all scots!!
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"Went to the hospital with wife today and there was an impromptu gathering outside led by labour msp and councillor about 40 people turned up went into Glasgow city centre to get dinner and socialist workers party was having one to campaign for higher minimum wage over 2000 turned up when we came out restaurant yes campaign stirring more passion definetly" Hope the Mrs is ok. | |||
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"I've been to Scotland loads before and have been told on several occasions by Scottish people that they hate the English but don't mind "you lot" (i.e. Geordies). Bit of a case of insulting with one hand and complimenting with another. Haha they hate the english in Westminster haha So do most English people, but it's no reason for one section of the country to vote to cock it all up for everyone. They haven't voted yet! And since you've been to Scotland loads shows you that it isn't such as bad place, the suggestion earlier that one woman when introduced to a scots crowd that 8 out of 9 turned their back on her because she is english is ludicrous. I don't know any scots who wouid be as rude as that never mind such the high percentage that she suggested. Never said I didn't like Scotland, I love the place! That's why I don't want them to vote to leave the UK. I have nothing against Scottish people either, but I HAVE experienced anti-English sentiment, and it's wrong to suggest someone's experience is 'ludicrous' just because it hasn't happened to you. That example was obviously an extreme one, but it doesn't mean it didn't happen. " Maybe it did but I find that hard to believe, but if it did she shouldn't judge the rest of the nation on that one event. We are lovely people I'm glad you go loads and I'm sure Scotland loves having you.
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Utter nonsense! I don't believe a word of that. "I am not in the habit of lying so I would rather you didn't imply I was. I won't elaborate on what happened the rest of the few days I stayed as you probably won't believe that either. Just be assured, no matter how much you want to believe it doesn't happen...some Scottish people hate the English, and to my cost I found quite a few. | |||
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"Well I think we have idiots both sides of the border, it doesn't mean everyone has that same opinion. X The difference being for me is....I must have been very naive as I didn't even know there was a divide until I started using the net. Then I found that a lot of Scottish ( amongst others) really hated the English. I thought it was banter at first but it wasn't. Then I went to visit a woman who I used to speak to in Scotland. She took me to her local and introduced me as "her English friend" and out of the nine people in the group , eight turned away from me and one said hello. The one who said hello told me that when they were children they got told to never go near the English as they eat their own babies
Utter nonsense! I don't believe a word of that.
I am not in the habit of lying so I would rather you didn't imply I was.
I won't elaborate on what happened the rest of the few days I stayed as you probably won't believe that either.
Just be assured, no matter how much you want to believe it doesn't happen...some Scottish people hate the English, and to my cost I found quite a few."Apparently we're only saying it because we hate the Scots
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" Well since I lived in Glasgow for 36yrs I think I have a better understanding of the Scottish people then you do, as for 8 out of 9 people turning away as they heard someone was english, when did this visit take place 300yrs ago? " Six years ago | |||
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"I do so love hearing all this vile anti-English sentiment from North of the Border.
I can assure you, that he is not speaking for all scots!!
Maybe I'm missing something here, what did I actually say against the English people? "It wasn't you that said it. I actually quoted one of the comments made earlier on this thread. There are others on other threads which I can't be bothered to find and quote because you'll ignore those and brand them as Scot-hating too. You just insisted on denying there's any anti-English sentiment and suggesting that a few of us are lying! | |||
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" If you look again I never said that about Cameron lol. " No, I know you didn't. I was attempting to generalise on various perspectives. Personally, I think DC is doing a brilliant, if difficult job, of sorting out the mess left by Blair, Brown and Co. He's unpopular with most because of the tough decisions he's had to take to get us on the road to recovery and how it's affecting people in their everyday lives. Unfortunately it seems to be the cylce. Labour mess up the economy then a conservative government sorts out the mess and gets us back in the black - but becomes so unpopular that they get replaced by a labour governement that proceeds to mess up the countries finances again..... John Major was the chancellor that sorted out the last Labour mess from the 70's. It was also a Labour government that, in 1967, devalued the pound due to their total incompetence on handling the economy. But I feel I'm wandering off topic a little here, lol.... | |||
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" Apparently we're only saying it because we hate the Scots
Talk about twisting things to suit..."I quite like the kilts  we went to watch a wedding while I was there and all the men had them on....I have a great pic of us with men in kilts as far as you could see.
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"Well I think we have idiots both sides of the border, it doesn't mean everyone has that same opinion. X The difference being for me is....I must have been very naive as I didn't even know there was a divide until I started using the net. Then I found that a lot of Scottish ( amongst others) really hated the English. I thought it was banter at first but it wasn't. Then I went to visit a woman who I used to speak to in Scotland. She took me to her local and introduced me as "her English friend" and out of the nine people in the group , eight turned away from me and one said hello. The one who said hello told me that when they were children they got told to never go near the English as they eat their own babies
Utter nonsense! I don't believe a word of that.
I am not in the habit of lying so I would rather you didn't imply I was.
I won't elaborate on what happened the rest of the few days I stayed as you probably won't believe that either.
Just be assured, no matter how much you want to believe it doesn't happen...some Scottish people hate the English, and to my cost I found quite a few."Well I can assure you that's really quite rare, if you came across some idiots then they are just that. I'm sure there's equal amounts on both sides, as everywhere. Anyway I agree with you that I hope Scotland gets votes yes and shows the rest of the UK and the world that it can manage itself more efficiently. In the end hopefully Wales and NI would do the same, I'm sure english people will benefit from the split avid england would itself be managed better as a result. | |||
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"No. That is all factual. The Scotish thing is all about the SMP and they want power. Who paid for the Scotish Parliament building and how much was the over spend ?" The people of United Kingdom paid, same as Scotland etc contributed to buildings in the rest of the UK. | |||
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"Well I think we have idiots both sides of the border, it doesn't mean everyone has that same opinion. X The difference being for me is....I must have been very naive as I didn't even know there was a divide until I started using the net. Then I found that a lot of Scottish ( amongst others) really hated the English. I thought it was banter at first but it wasn't. Then I went to visit a woman who I used to speak to in Scotland. She took me to her local and introduced me as "her English friend" and out of the nine people in the group , eight turned away from me and one said hello. The one who said hello told me that when they were children they got told to never go near the English as they eat their own babies
Utter nonsense! I don't believe a word of that.
I am not in the habit of lying so I would rather you didn't imply I was.
I won't elaborate on what happened the rest of the few days I stayed as you probably won't believe that either.
Just be assured, no matter how much you want to believe it doesn't happen...some Scottish people hate the English, and to my cost I found quite a few.
Well I can assure you that's really quite rare, if you came across some idiots then they are just that. I'm sure there's equal amounts on both sides, as everywhere.
Anyway I agree with you that I hope Scotland gets votes yes and shows the rest of the UK and the world that it can manage itself more efficiently. In the end hopefully Wales and NI would do the same, I'm sure english people will benefit from the split avid england would itself be managed better as a result.
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"Well I think we have idiots both sides of the border, it doesn't mean everyone has that same opinion. X The difference being for me is....I must have been very naive as I didn't even know there was a divide until I started using the net. Then I found that a lot of Scottish ( amongst others) really hated the English. I thought it was banter at first but it wasn't. Then I went to visit a woman who I used to speak to in Scotland. She took me to her local and introduced me as "her English friend" and out of the nine people in the group , eight turned away from me and one said hello. The one who said hello told me that when they were children they got told to never go near the English as they eat their own babies
Utter nonsense! I don't believe a word of that.
I am not in the habit of lying so I would rather you didn't imply I was.
I won't elaborate on what happened the rest of the few days I stayed as you probably won't believe that either.
Just be assured, no matter how much you want to believe it doesn't happen...some Scottish people hate the English, and to my cost I found quite a few.
Well I can assure you that's really quite rare, if you came across some idiots then they are just that. I'm sure there's equal amounts on both sides, as everywhere.
Anyway I agree with you that I hope Scotland gets votes yes and shows the rest of the UK and the world that it can manage itself more efficiently. In the end hopefully Wales and NI would do the same, I'm sure english people will benefit from the split avid england would itself be managed better as a result.
I didn't comment on the vote
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" Cameron's speech yesterday was good but I think too little too late. " Cameron and Westminster having only, very recently, woken up to the very real possibility that the Union is about to be broken. Cameron's shiny face has been replaced by a look of fatigue and fear. The 'yes' vote may well have been tipped by the selection of the incredibly dangerous Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson as the Conservative candidate for the safe Tory seat of Uxbridge and South Ruislip. Boris wants to be Prime Minister; it's always been about him and, like Salmond, he can never answer a direct question or take responsibility, preferring to act like a buffoon, and he gets away with it. (Take a look at the YT video of his interview on Newsnight to get a feel for him.) If I was undecided about voting then the thought of BJ as Prime Minister would have me voting 'yes'. The last Labour government destroyed the UK's finances but the current government is continuing to bleed the general population whilst feathering their own nests and those of their friends in the City. Cameron will be forced to resign after a 'yes' vote; if there is not an immediate election then a caretaker PM will take over until the 2015 election when BJ will become PM. As an aside; the post above relating to the opening up of NHS contracts to US conglomerates is spot on; these firms are in it for profit and not to provide a better service. The profit will flow from radical revision of terms and conditions of NHS staff. | |||
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"So Scotland never gets the government it votes for, Really? 1951 Scotland voted Tory; we got a Tory Govt. 1955 Scotland voted Tory; we got a Tory Govt. 1959 Scotland voted Tory; we got a Tory Govt....Wonderfull post 1964 Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt, however England voted Tory. 1966 Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt. 1974 (February) Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt, however England voted Tory, 1974 (October) Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt. 1979, 1983, 1987 & 1992 we had a Tory Govt thanks to the motion of No Confidence in Jim Callaghan's Labour Govt that the SNP tabled. When Thatcher realised that the SNP were siding with her she then tabled her own motion of No Confidence, which took precedence over the SNP's motion. Supported by the 11 SNP MPs her motion of No Confidence was carried by 1 vote. The SNP are responsible for starting the Thatcher years. 1997 Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt. 2001 Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt. 2005 Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt. 2010 Nobody got the Govt they voted for - only 7 months to go to the next election. In 1999, Labour delivered devolution and no one can dispute that in 1997, 2003, 2007 and 2011 Scotland got what it voted for." Salmond would have your head on a spike for saying that. You may even get a couple of thousand yes campaigners on you doorstep in protest at your lies and scaremongering. Funny thing though. What you say is TRUE." | |||
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"So Scotland never gets the government it votes for, Really? 1951 Scotland voted Tory; we got a Tory Govt. 1955 Scotland voted Tory; we got a Tory Govt. 1959 Scotland voted Tory; we got a Tory Govt.... 1964 Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt, however England voted Tory. 1966 Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt. 1974 (February) Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt, however England voted Tory, 1974 (October) Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt. 1979, 1983, 1987 & 1992 we had a Tory Govt thanks to the motion of No Confidence in Jim Callaghan's Labour Govt that the SNP tabled. When Thatcher realised that the SNP were siding with her she then tabled her own motion of No Confidence, which took precedence over the SNP's motion. Supported by the 11 SNP MPs her motion of No Confidence was carried by 1 vote. The SNP are responsible for starting the Thatcher years. 1997 Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt. 2001 Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt. 2005 Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt. 2010 Nobody got the Govt they voted for - only 7 months to go to the next election. In 1999, Labour delivered devolution and no one can dispute that in 1997, 2003, 2007 and 2011 Scotland got what it voted for."" | |||
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"Look Cameron was offered a debate about this from wee Eck and replied with it's nothing to do with him it's up to the Scottish voters how come that its got lots to do with him now..vote yes and lets break up this terrible union for scotlands sake" For England's sake you mean? If they do go independent then there will be an economic flight from Scotland. RBS and many others will leg it to England. We won't have to put up with the ridiculous Barnett formula by which we subsidise Scottish benefit wallahs. Labour will loose shitloads of MPs so unlikely to get power for god knows how long... England can actually becEnglish and get on with it. Scotland will end up more like a third world country...with what as currency? | |||
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"Look Cameron was offered a debate about this from wee Eck and replied with it's nothing to do with him it's up to the Scottish voters how come that its got lots to do with him now..vote yes and lets break up this terrible union for scotlands sake For England's sake you mean? If they do go independent then there will be an economic flight from Scotland. RBS and many others will leg it to England. We won't have to put up with the ridiculous Barnett formula by which we subsidise Scottish benefit wallahs. Labour will loose shitloads of MPs so unlikely to get power for god knows how long... England can actually becEnglish and get on with it. Scotland will end up more like a third world country...with what as currency?" shortbread? | |||
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"A work colleague told me today that you can only vote if you live in Scotland (I asked as my brother in law is Scottish but lives here) and you dont have to be born in Scotland in order to vote. Is this true? Sorry, I haven't really taken any notice of it so have no idea " True....my next door neighbour is Scottish but can't vote. My daughter just qualified as a doctor in Edinburgh and is now based in Inverness. She is English but has a vote. As she has more than 3 brain cells...she will be voting no as she would like to stay in Scotland (nice place). If the vote is yes...then like many intelligent people she will leave. | |||
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"A work colleague told me today that you can only vote if you live in Scotland (I asked as my brother in law is Scottish but lives here) and you dont have to be born in Scotland in order to vote. Is this true? Sorry, I haven't really taken any notice of it so have no idea " Yes every person living in Scotland at the time they put the vote together gets a vote, those not living there despite where they were born or their ancestry do not get a vote. This was devised specifically to prevent Sean Connery voting | |||
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"A work colleague told me today that you can only vote if you live in Scotland (I asked as my brother in law is Scottish but lives here) and you dont have to be born in Scotland in order to vote. Is this true? Sorry, I haven't really taken any notice of it so have no idea True....my next door neighbour is Scottish but can't vote. My daughter just qualified as a doctor in Edinburgh and is now based in Inverness. She is English but has a vote. As she has more than 3 brain cells...she will be voting no as she would like to stay in Scotland (nice place). If the vote is yes...then like many intelligent people she will leave." So what's the point in somebody voting if they live there temporarily say? | |||
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"Look Cameron was offered a debate about this from wee Eck and replied with it's nothing to do with him it's up to the Scottish voters how come that its got lots to do with him now..vote yes and lets break up this terrible union for scotlands sake For England's sake you mean? If they do go independent then there will be an economic flight from Scotland. RBS and many others will leg it to England. We won't have to put up with the ridiculous Barnett formula by which we subsidise Scottish benefit wallahs. Labour will loose shitloads of MPs so unlikely to get power for god knows how long... England can actually becEnglish and get on with it. Scotland will end up more like a third world country...with what as currency?" Third world country are you serious? Haha! Scotland is a very wealthy country that can take care of itself vas it's people. As for the greedy bankers who recently brought the country to it's knees, they only moving their registered address to england so when they fuck up again the Bank of England (english taxpayer) can bail them out. Great move for Scotland I think. | |||
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"So what's the point in somebody voting if they live there temporarily say? If the vote is YES then every person standing on Scottish soil at the end of the count becomes Scottish instantly any non Scottish passports will self destruct and a new tartan passport issued. they will be unable to leave Scotland until the new passports are issued "You're just teasing me aren't you!! | |||
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"A work colleague told me today that you can only vote if you live in Scotland (I asked as my brother in law is Scottish but lives here) and you dont have to be born in Scotland in order to vote. Is this true? Sorry, I haven't really taken any notice of it so have no idea Yes every person living in Scotland at the time they put the vote together gets a vote, those not living there despite where they were born or their ancestry do not get a vote. This was devised specifically to prevent Sean Connery voting "almost correct, anyone resident in Scotland who is eligible and registered to vote before 2nd sept gets a vote. | |||
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You're just teasing me aren't you!! "no this is true
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"Look Cameron was offered a debate about this from wee Eck and replied with it's nothing to do with him it's up to the Scottish voters how come that its got lots to do with him now..vote yes and lets break up this terrible union for scotlands sake "Terrible union"...???!!! The ignorance of some people never fails to shock me...... if it is not a terrible union then how come the people of Scotland vote for a government and get stuck with another oh that's a good union for us.get real and keep your English government to yourself
That's how is works in a democracy. Someone will always be unhappy at who gets in. So you were happy with the 13 years of Labour that YOU as a scot helped get into power. Who then did nothing but perpetuate Tory policy by a different name, who arguably did more damage to the country's finances than the Tories have done in the last 4 years.
And you honestly think that an independent Scotland will be any better? The way this vote is going alone will leave 50% of the country unhappy with the result either way it goes, but they'll have to put up with it.
The union has been great for both countries, the trouble is people like you thinking that if you'd been independent all along every fucker up here would have their own mansion and private oil well. Well you wouldn't. If you're lucky you'd be in the exact same position you are in now, and I'll tell you why....
The only people independence is going to be good for are the people who are already rich. As they are the ones who want payback for funding the campaigns.
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almost correct, anyone resident in Scotland who is eligible and registered to vote before 2nd sept gets a vote.
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"I can't help feeling after reading a few of these threads some people are going to have egg on their faces later. not just some but many, only one side can win the vote. Whichever way it turns out there are likely to be a lot of people thinking "i should have kept my mouth shut" Have you started thinking that already?" nope, i have been equally scathing of the fannies on both sides | |||
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