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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I am stunned and sickened to hear of the beheading of Briton David Haines by Islamic State. If this group want the world to hate them, they are going the right way about it. I am horrified by the execution of an aid worker. It is beyond wickedness

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am stunned and sickened to hear of the beheading of Briton David Haines by Islamic State. If this group want the world to hate them, they are going the right way about it. I am horrified by the execution of an aid worker. It is beyond wickedness"

What these idiots rely on is the tolerance of western society and in most cases the reluctance to use overwhelming force and to try and negotiate.

However if they keep pushing and continually commit barbarous acts like of late then hopefully the west will unleash the rewards that these people deserve and I hope I can watch every last detail on television when it does happen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Another worrying fact is that these barbaric acts they are doing may stare up hatred in this country and cause some backlash

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

Though i despise such a heinous act i don't understand IS or us for matter. IS are using religion as an excuse to do what they want and act as barbaric c*nts which actually isn't allowed in their faith and we (when they were fighting in Syria as 'rebels') supported them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is all part of a plan to goad 'The West' into another war where they can't do right for doing wrong.

There is no easy solution and, I fear, no good outcome.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Another worrying fact is that these barbaric acts they are doing may stare up hatred in this country and cause some backlash "

Indeed. My blood boiled hearing the news. He was an aid worker - not a politician, not a soldier but an aid worker! Backlash in Britain could well happen, military action could well materialise, else where does this end? I was against the Iraqi war vehemently but feel something HAS to be done against IS. Surely?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm genuinely asking a question here: did we support them in syria? That conflict had multiple different factions most of which weren't supported. Do we know enough, truly, about the origins of this organisation to determine where it emerged?

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

I would say yes we did. I recall Foreign Secretary Hague going out there & posing for pics with IS (or ISIS as they were once called) There was public cry for us not to get involved in Syria (not as much as a million+ marching against the Iraq war which still went ahead) but it was ignored.

I do feel sorry for those who have needlessly died in these wars regardless of where they were from but at the same time i ask what are we doing & have we sowed the seeds of another Taliban just as the Americans did in their silent war with Russia in the 80's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank you for your answer. I think it highly likely that elements of is were active in Syria, but i think the true origins are likely to be far more complex. The tactic of beheading was used by al quaeda early after the iraqi invasion in '03, and i dying get the feeling that is is parroting those tactics. I think elements of several different organisations coalesced into what became isis from different places and with far different missions. The actions of the organisation are all over the place and assumed at many different targets, not just the west. But i am Open to being wrong, it's just a feeling i get.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I agree. We have helped create the hydra that is terrorist extremism. But that was the likes of Blair and Bush starting the war on terror. I can only hope that all Muslims rise as one and condemn the murders of aid workers and journalists, saying "NOT IN OUR NAME"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree. We have helped create the hydra that is terrorist extremism. But that was the likes of Blair and Bush starting the war on terror. I can only hope that all Muslims rise as one and condemn the murders of aid workers and journalists, saying "NOT IN OUR NAME""

Please see my post in _abio's thread about the beheading. Whilst bush and Blair contributed to this, they did not cause this. This ideological mindset is a result of many things, over many decades, by many leaders of both parties. No one leader or coalition is to blame, they all are. To attempt to lay the blame on one is shortsighted, i'm afraid. And counterproductive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The vast majority of Muslims around the world already condemn IS.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

oh dear I hadn't heard that.

the poor man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

are the methods of the IS , brutality and murder , the same methods that the US employed against their own native indian populations ? with the exception that the US did it on a larger scale and didnt put it on tv ?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"are the methods of the IS , brutality and murder , the same methods that the US employed against their own native indian populations ? with the exception that the US did it on a larger scale and didnt put it on tv ?"

That was a different age. We've come on a bit as a species since then. It's just taking some parts of the world some time to catch up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you are that sympathetic to the extremists please get out there and help them... politically correctness from people like you annoys me more than the extremism itself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

not that long ago , wounded knee is only little over a 100 years ago

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

Sits patiently in front of TV waiting for the rest of the Muslim world to condemn the act of barbarism.

Could be a long wait!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"not that long ago , wounded knee is only little over a 100 years ago"

unbelievable...you even use something that is further away than the Word wars...you have obviously read up on something and now trying to be clever has back fired.. id quit whilst you were not even ahead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you are that sympathetic to the extremists please get out there and help them... politically correctness from people like you annoys me more than the extremism itself"

There is nothing 'politically correct' about the post you are responding too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And of course England Ireland Scotland and Wales have never used these tactics in their History, we used to knock politely on the door of Countries and say excuse me old chap if its convenient we would like to convert you jolly old Heathens to Christianity or sell you into slavery whichever is convenient to yourselves.

Sweet Sherry and Cucumber sandwiches will be provided during the interval of course.

RSVP Gimp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sits patiently in front of TV waiting for the rest of the Muslim world to condemn the act of barbarism.

Could be a long wait!!!"

Are you suggesting that all muslims support IS?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you are that sympathetic to the extremists please get out there and help them... politically correctness from people like you annoys me more than the extremism itself

There is nothing 'politically correct' about the post you are responding too"

to try and stick up for something as barbaric as an IS state, inn my mind is politically correct as to compare 2 wrongs does not make a right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i just see the irony of the US getting worked up into a nice lather at the barbarity of IS when they employed the same methods but on a far larger scale on the native inhabitants of their own land

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you are that sympathetic to the extremists please get out there and help them... politically correctness from people like you annoys me more than the extremism itself

There is nothing 'politically correct' about the post you are responding too"

I agree crystal. Also, as an American and a half. Native American at that, i find the post not only lacking in pc but misinformed and misleading. It wasn't only the u.s. government involved in the subjugation of native Americans. That began long before the was a u.s. government and off the top of my head i can think of three states that contributed at that time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What

If you are that sympathetic to the extremists please get out there and help them... politically correctness from people like you annoys me more than the extremism itself

There is nothing 'politically correct' about the post you are responding too

to try and stick up for something as barbaric as an IS state, inn my mind is politically correct as to compare 2 wrongs does not make a right"

Then maybe learn what political correctness is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Then maybe learn what political correctness is? "

Mean, but it did make me giggle.

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

"Sits patiently in front of TV waiting for the rest of the Muslim world to condemn the act of barbarism.

Could be a long wait!!!

Are you suggesting that all muslims support IS?

I'm suggesting I could be in for a long wait, as my post clearly states.

And I notice YOU haven't condemned it YET

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i just see the irony of the US getting worked up into a nice lather at the barbarity of IS when they employed the same methods but on a far larger scale on the native inhabitants of their own land"

Seriously while I tend to believe that US foreign policy is less than desirable even I'm struggling with the logic of your argument

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sits patiently in front of TV waiting for the rest of the Muslim world to condemn the act of barbarism.

Could be a long wait!!!

Are you suggesting that all muslims support IS?

I'm suggesting I could be in for a long wait, as my post clearly states.

And I notice YOU haven't condemned it YET"

Nor have you condemned it

I think my humanitarian and anti violence stance is well known on the forums but to clarify it's a loathsome and unjustifiable act.

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

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RSVP Gimp

I think you will find Ireland has never invaded a country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i just see the irony of the US getting worked up into a nice lather at the barbarity of IS when they employed the same methods but on a far larger scale on the native inhabitants of their own land

Seriously while I tend to believe that US foreign policy is less than desirable even I'm struggling with the logic of your argument

the logic of his argument is that rarely do you see or hear of muslims condemning extremism. granted usually because of the media choosing which stories to air.... but this WILL end up with a war within our own country.. then we will see all the do-gooders wondering what went wrong... if no one believes this will be an issue,... please go to whitechapel,harrow or newham in london

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and that's as argumentative I will be getting today x have fun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

also hard to try and be taken seriously with a pair of tits as my profile pic lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i just see the irony of the US getting worked up into a nice lather at the barbarity of IS when they employed the same methods but on a far larger scale on the native inhabitants of their own land

Seriously while I tend to believe that US foreign policy is less than desirable even I'm struggling with the logic of your argument

His argument hasn't mentioned muslims or any lack of condemnation which he may perceive. He's only mentioned an apparent irony within u.s. actions, whikst ignoring an apparent irony within actions by various incarnations of British government in many areas including the one he cited.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i just see the irony of the US getting worked up into a nice lather at the barbarity of IS when they employed the same methods but on a far larger scale on the native inhabitants of their own land

Seriously while I tend to believe that US foreign policy is less than desirable even I'm struggling with the logic of your argument

As far as i know as of 12 hours ago Newham hadnt declared War on anybody, I hope i havnt slept through the excitement

Cockerney Gimp innit

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

"Sits patiently in front of TV waiting for the rest of the Muslim world to condemn the act of barbarism.

Could be a long wait!!!

Are you suggesting that all muslims support IS?

I'm suggesting I could be in for a long wait, as my post clearly states.

And I notice YOU haven't condemned it YET

Nor have you condemned it

I think my humanitarian and anti violence stance is well known on the forums but to clarify it's a loathsome and unjustifiable act."

Twist it round as much as you like, every time someone says anything about the Muslims, you jump in straight away at their defence.

As I have stated in previous threads, I deplore any act of terrorism, whether it is Muslim, Christian, Jewish or Martian

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I think you will find Ireland has never invaded a country"

In the 5th, 6th and 7th centuries, they raided Wales and Cumbria and the kingdom of Dal Riata was formed by the Irish, but I take your point. If the world were a school playground, then Ireland would be the one who never started anything and just quietly did its own thing without troubling anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i just see the irony of the US getting worked up into a nice lather at the barbarity of IS when they employed the same methods but on a far larger scale on the native inhabitants of their own land

Seriously while I tend to believe that US foreign policy is less than desirable even I'm struggling with the logic of your argument

There's quite a few Muslim organisations dedicated to this - the Free Muslims Coalition and Muslims Against Terrorism.

Plus I distinctly remember the time an FBI informant scared the Mosque so much, they all reported him.

Considering everyone involved with Islam extremists doesn't help at all.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Sits patiently in front of TV waiting for the rest of the Muslim world to condemn the act of barbarism.

Could be a long wait!!!"

Largely because that isn't the news story the media have chosen to present.

There has been bits of this but on the local London news, on immediately after the national news but not presented there.

Don't underestimate the shaping of the narratives with which we are presented.

The Pope has said we are having a piecemeal WWIII and that is what it feels like to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i just see the irony of the US getting worked up into a nice lather at the barbarity of IS when they employed the same methods but on a far larger scale on the native inhabitants of their own land

Seriously while I tend to believe that US foreign policy is less than desirable even I'm struggling with the logic of your argument

As far as i know as of 12 hours ago Newham hadnt declared War on anybody, I hope i havnt slept through the excitement

Cockerney Gimp innit

enjoy newham then x

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By *randmrsminxyCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"Sits patiently in front of TV waiting for the rest of the Muslim world to condemn the act of barbarism.

Could be a long wait!!!

Are you suggesting that all muslims support IS?

I'm suggesting I could be in for a long wait, as my post clearly states.

And I notice YOU haven't condemned it YET

Nor have you condemned it

I think my humanitarian and anti violence stance is well known on the forums but to clarify it's a loathsome and unjustifiable act."

Can I ask a very simple and polite question that requires a simple yes or no answer . if your Husband/brother/sister/child was that person beheaded this morning ,would you not want revenge or justice .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can I ask a very simple and polite question that requires a simple yes or no answer . if your Husband/brother/sister/child was that person beheaded this morning ,would you not want revenge or justice ."

Revenge and justice are two completely different things.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Sits patiently in front of TV waiting for the rest of the Muslim world to condemn the act of barbarism.

Could be a long wait!!!

Are you suggesting that all muslims support IS?

I'm suggesting I could be in for a long wait, as my post clearly states.

And I notice YOU haven't condemned it YET

Nor have you condemned it

I think my humanitarian and anti violence stance is well known on the forums but to clarify it's a loathsome and unjustifiable act.

Twist it round as much as you like, every time someone says anything about the Muslims, you jump in straight away at their defence.

As I have stated in previous threads, I deplore any act of terrorism, whether it is Muslim, Christian, Jewish or Martian

Then that will be true of me too.

Defending the majority, when they are being tarred and attacked and in IS land also under physical attack if they don't step in line, does not mean support for IS.

I feel it's that sort of polarisation of opinion that leads to atrocities.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i just see the irony of the US getting worked up into a nice lather at the barbarity of IS when they employed the same methods but on a far larger scale on the native inhabitants of their own land

Seriously while I tend to believe that US foreign policy is less than desirable even I'm struggling with the logic of your argument

As far as i know as of 12 hours ago Newham hadnt declared War on anybody, I hope i havnt slept through the excitement

Cockerney Gimp innit

enjoy newham then x"

I do... ta x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i just see the irony of the US getting worked up into a nice lather at the barbarity of IS when they employed the same methods but on a far larger scale on the native inhabitants of their own land

Seriously while I tend to believe that US foreign policy is less than desirable even I'm struggling with the logic of your argument

As far as i know as of 12 hours ago Newham hadnt declared War on anybody, I hope i havnt slept through the excitement

Cockerney Gimp innit

enjoy newham then x"

I do... ta x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i just see the irony of the US getting worked up into a nice lather at the barbarity of IS when they employed the same methods but on a far larger scale on the native inhabitants of their own land

Seriously while I tend to believe that US foreign policy is less than desirable even I'm struggling with the logic of your argument

As far as i know as of 12 hours ago Newham hadnt declared War on anybody, I hope i havnt slept through the excitement

Cockerney Gimp innit

enjoy newham then x

I do... ta x"

And the new mosque that's being planned there? Biggest one in Europe or is it just another media hype?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

enjoy newham then x

I do... ta x

And the new mosque that's being planned there? Biggest one in Europe or is it just another media hype?"

What about it? If it passes planning laws, then why not? I don't object to someone building a factory, church, mosque, Tesco, etc

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"i just see the irony of the US getting worked up into a nice lather at the barbarity of IS when they employed the same methods but on a far larger scale on the native inhabitants of their own land

Seriously while I tend to believe that US foreign policy is less than desirable even I'm struggling with the logic of your argument

As far as i know as of 12 hours ago Newham hadnt declared War on anybody, I hope i havnt slept through the excitement

Cockerney Gimp innit

enjoy newham then x

I do... ta x

And the new mosque that's being planned there? Biggest one in Europe or is it just another media hype?"

Why is a new, large mosque an issue? New Christian cathedrals don't get built because we have lots of them.

Not all Muslims are extremists. If you equate them wanting to worship together with extremism then we might as well go straight to the internment camp mentality and lock them all up now. A handy big building in Newham will do plus we've got one in Tower Hamlets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i just see the irony of the US getting worked up into a nice lather at the barbarity of IS when they employed the same methods but on a far larger scale on the native inhabitants of their own land

Seriously while I tend to believe that US foreign policy is less than desirable even I'm struggling with the logic of your argument

As far as i know as of 12 hours ago Newham hadnt declared War on anybody, I hope i havnt slept through the excitement

Cockerney Gimp innit

enjoy newham then x

I do... ta x

And the new mosque that's being planned there? Biggest one in Europe or is it just another media hype?

Why is a new, large mosque an issue? New Christian cathedrals don't get built because we have lots of them.

I'm not equating either. I'm asking is there going to be one or is it media lie?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i just see the irony of the US getting worked up into a nice lather at the barbarity of IS when they employed the same methods but on a far larger scale on the native inhabitants of their own land

Seriously while I tend to believe that US foreign policy is less than desirable even I'm struggling with the logic of your argument

As far as i know as of 12 hours ago Newham hadnt declared War on anybody, I hope i havnt slept through the excitement

Cockerney Gimp innit

enjoy newham then x

I do... ta x

And the new mosque that's being planned there? Biggest one in Europe or is it just another media hype?

Why is a new, large mosque an issue? New Christian cathedrals don't get built because we have lots of them.

I'm not equating either. I'm asking is there going to be one or is it media lie?"

In an earlier post, you suggested that what's happening in Newham would result in a war within the UK...

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I had a great joy during the Jubilee and Olympics in 2012 of witnessing Muslim children in Tower Hamlets and Newham learning and singing the national anthem and learning about their Britishness.

That's the reality of the communities I know.

Let's alienate them, treat them as heinous beings intent on killing us in our beds though and watch that become the reality.

If you keep asserting that enough on young minds, treat them as terrorists just because they exist, then why shouldn't they behave as you've told them they will?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i just see the irony of the US getting worked up into a nice lather at the barbarity of IS when they employed the same methods but on a far larger scale on the native inhabitants of their own land

Seriously while I tend to believe that US foreign policy is less than desirable even I'm struggling with the logic of your argument

As far as i know as of 12 hours ago Newham hadnt declared War on anybody, I hope i havnt slept through the excitement

Cockerney Gimp innit

enjoy newham then x

I do... ta x

And the new mosque that's being planned there? Biggest one in Europe or is it just another media hype?

Why is a new, large mosque an issue? New Christian cathedrals don't get built because we have lots of them.

I'm not equating either. I'm asking is there going to be one or is it media lie?

In an earlier post, you suggested that what's happening in Newham would result in a war within the UK..."

I suggested with the things going on in the world and the way media portrays things... With the areas like whitechapel, and newham etc there will be trouble.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is this really the right and appropriate place to discuss theses issues?.

This is why the state is how it is propaganda .

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"i just see the irony of the US getting worked up into a nice lather at the barbarity of IS when they employed the same methods but on a far larger scale on the native inhabitants of their own land

Seriously while I tend to believe that US foreign policy is less than desirable even I'm struggling with the logic of your argument

As far as i know as of 12 hours ago Newham hadnt declared War on anybody, I hope i havnt slept through the excitement

Cockerney Gimp innit

enjoy newham then x

I do... ta x

And the new mosque that's being planned there? Biggest one in Europe or is it just another media hype?

Why is a new, large mosque an issue? New Christian cathedrals don't get built because we have lots of them.

I'm not equating either. I'm asking is there going to be one or is it media lie?"

My point is why does it matter if there is one. But you know that.

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By *.nottsbloke..Man
over a year ago

the vale

dust off nuke the place from orbit.

its the only way to be sure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sits patiently in front of TV waiting for the rest of the Muslim world to condemn the act of barbarism.

Could be a long wait!!!

Are you suggesting that all muslims support IS?

I'm suggesting I could be in for a long wait, as my post clearly states.

And I notice YOU haven't condemned it YET

Nor have you condemned it

I think my humanitarian and anti violence stance is well known on the forums but to clarify it's a loathsome and unjustifiable act.

Justice and revenge are very different things. Vengeance has no place in a civilised society. Buy yes I would want justice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I had a great joy during the Jubilee and Olympics in 2012 of witnessing Muslim children in Tower Hamlets and Newham learning and singing the national anthem and learning about their Britishness.

That's the reality of the communities I know.

Let's alienate them, treat them as heinous beings intent on killing us in our beds though and watch that become the reality.

If you keep asserting that enough on young minds, treat them as terrorists just because they exist, then why shouldn't they behave as you've told them they will?

Every race or religion have stereo types.. just because someone is Muslim obviously does not mean they are terrorists etc. But with the media and hype then you don't get to see Christians cutting people's heads off or getting on a plane to blow it up so unfortunately as in most cases the minority get portrayed as the majority (I don't believe the media hype) but if you step back and see from other point of _iew then you must be able to see that at one point this will become a civil war

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Hatred is hatred, it manifests itselfs in many guises. They are explicit in theirs.

Sadly, we see it closer to home than we think and not from people kneeling praying to their god in the local Mosque.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

" but if you step back and see from other point of _iew then you must be able to see that at one point this will become a civil war

No, not in the slightest. Everyone I know is just happy getting on with their life, hoping they get the odd 4 numbers on the lotto and worrying about whether the strange noise coming from under their bonnet is anything serious.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I had a great joy during the Jubilee and Olympics in 2012 of witnessing Muslim children in Tower Hamlets and Newham learning and singing the national anthem and learning about their Britishness.

That's the reality of the communities I know.

Let's alienate them, treat them as heinous beings intent on killing us in our beds though and watch that become the reality.

If you keep asserting that enough on young minds, treat them as terrorists just because they exist, then why shouldn't they behave as you've told them they will?

Only if we let it.

I have seen Charedi Jewish people work closely with devout Muslims. Sitting on the same side and getting over the differences that mean they are at war elsewhere.

It is not inevitable here in the UK unless WE create the situation and circumstances. The surest way of doing that is to believe it will happen and act as though it has.

I choose not to.

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over a year ago

"I had a great joy during the Jubilee and Olympics in 2012 of witnessing Muslim children in Tower Hamlets and Newham learning and singing the national anthem and learning about their Britishness.

That's the reality of the communities I know.

Let's alienate them, treat them as heinous beings intent on killing us in our beds though and watch that become the reality.

If you keep asserting that enough on young minds, treat them as terrorists just because they exist, then why shouldn't they behave as you've told them they will?

Only if we let it.

I have seen Charedi Jewish people work closely with devout Muslims. Sitting on the same side and getting over the differences that mean they are at war elsewhere.

It is not inevitable here in the UK unless WE create the situation and circumstances. The surest way of doing that is to believe it will happen and act as though it has.

I choose not to.

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over a year ago

"Sits patiently in front of TV waiting for the rest of the Muslim world to condemn the act of barbarism.

Could be a long wait!!!

Are you suggesting that all muslims support IS?

I'm suggesting I could be in for a long wait, as my post clearly states.

And I notice YOU haven't condemned it YET

Nor have you condemned it

I think my humanitarian and anti violence stance is well known on the forums but to clarify it's a loathsome and unjustifiable act.

Twist it round as much as you like, every time someone says anything about the Muslims, you jump in straight away at their defence.

As I have stated in previous threads, I deplore any act of terrorism, whether it is Muslim, Christian, Jewish or Martian

Challenging bigotry or islamaphobic and racist posts is something I'll happily admit too. But if you are accusing me of defending terrorism then no I've never done that

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over a year ago

"I had a great joy during the Jubilee and Olympics in 2012 of witnessing Muslim children in Tower Hamlets and Newham learning and singing the national anthem and learning about their Britishness.

That's the reality of the communities I know.

Let's alienate them, treat them as heinous beings intent on killing us in our beds though and watch that become the reality.

If you keep asserting that enough on young minds, treat them as terrorists just because they exist, then why shouldn't they behave as you've told them they will?

With only around 5% of the population being muslim and tge vast majority of them being normal peaceful people people rather than extremists I very much doubt this will ever become me a civil war

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over a year ago

"Hatred is hatred, it manifests itselfs in many guises. They are explicit in theirs.

Sadly, we see it closer to home than we think and not from people kneeling praying to their god in the local Mosque.

Well put

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over a year ago

Yes, I dont think I recall seeing a protest march by Muslims who do not agree with these atrocities or am I incorrect?

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over a year ago

"i just see the irony of the US getting worked up into a nice lather at the barbarity of IS when they employed the same methods but on a far larger scale on the native inhabitants of their own land"
The society we live in and the morals of that society have come a long way since then. You cannot compare what happened then to the world we live in now... they are 2 completely different places

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over a year ago

"I had a great joy during the Jubilee and Olympics in 2012 of witnessing Muslim children in Tower Hamlets and Newham learning and singing the national anthem and learning about their Britishness.

That's the reality of the communities I know.

Let's alienate them, treat them as heinous beings intent on killing us in our beds though and watch that become the reality.

If you keep asserting that enough on young minds, treat them as terrorists just because they exist, then why shouldn't they behave as you've told them they will?

With only around 5% of the population being muslim and tge vast majority of them being normal peaceful people people rather than extremists I very much doubt this will ever become me a civil war

The examples of he places I gave are not 5%.. but have fun in your bubble it sounds lovely

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

"It is all part of a plan to goad 'The West' into another war where they can't do right for doing wrong.

There is no easy solution and, I fear, no good outcome."

I thought it was a plan to get the whole world, The West or otherwise, to be a global islamic community, under sharia law, or otherwise fear of death.

All for the sake of 72 virgins? Who said they have to be female? They might not even be fit!

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over a year ago

"I had a great joy during the Jubilee and Olympics in 2012 of witnessing Muslim children in Tower Hamlets and Newham learning and singing the national anthem and learning about their Britishness.

That's the reality of the communities I know.

Let's alienate them, treat them as heinous beings intent on killing us in our beds though and watch that become the reality.

If you keep asserting that enough on young minds, treat them as terrorists just because they exist, then why shouldn't they behave as you've told them they will?

With only around 5% of the population being muslim and tge vast majority of them being normal peaceful people people rather than extremists I very much doubt this will ever become me a civil war

The examples of he places I gave are not 5%.. but have fun in your bubble it sounds lovely "

So a civil war can occur in just a few suburbs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Judging by the age alot of youngsters "pop their cherry" these days, anyone having 72 virgins is probably a paedophile as well as a terrorist.

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By *thukguyMan
over a year ago

Wirral /Cyprus

"Sits patiently in front of TV waiting for the rest of the Muslim world to condemn the act of barbarism.

Could be a long wait!!!"

Agreed and its unlikely to happen

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By *aptain VMan
over a year ago

Birstall, Leicester

Bomb the bastards

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I had a great joy during the Jubilee and Olympics in 2012 of witnessing Muslim children in Tower Hamlets and Newham learning and singing the national anthem and learning about their Britishness.

That's the reality of the communities I know.

Let's alienate them, treat them as heinous beings intent on killing us in our beds though and watch that become the reality.

If you keep asserting that enough on young minds, treat them as terrorists just because they exist, then why shouldn't they behave as you've told them they will?

With only around 5% of the population being muslim and tge vast majority of them being normal peaceful people people rather than extremists I very much doubt this will ever become me a civil war

The examples of he places I gave are not 5%.. but have fun in your bubble it sounds lovely

So a civil war can occur in just a few suburbs? "

No.. but they will be the flashing points

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over a year ago

"Sits patiently in front of TV waiting for the rest of the Muslim world to condemn the act of barbarism.

Could be a long wait!!!

Agreed and its unlikely to happen"

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

With only around 5% of the population being muslim and tge vast majority of them being normal peaceful people people rather than extremists I very much doubt this will ever become me a civil war

The examples of he places I gave are not 5%.. but have fun in your bubble it sounds lovely

So a civil war can occur in just a few suburbs?

With regards to purely the 5% comment, official census stats 2011 suggested 4.4%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom

However, figures from 2009 suggested 2.4%. It stands to reason the actual figure today is not far off 10% ?

As far as civil war starting in the suburbs, any war usually starts with 2 sides not just disagreeing, but finding no way (other than war) to settle their differences.

Even in the wild west, a gun fight gone wrong can escalate quickly. My point being its not inconceivable for something to start in the suburbs.

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By *adja_lazloCouple
over a year ago

Solihull

and here come the conspiracy, unsecure government hating crew. 'we supported them' 'they only doing it because we invaded' etc etc etc, who in fact are 'we/they', nothing to do with me,

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By *adja_lazloCouple
over a year ago

Solihull

"Sits patiently in front of TV waiting for the rest of the Muslim world to condemn the act of barbarism.

Could be a long wait!!!

Agreed and its unlikely to happen

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By *angzMan
over a year ago

Manchester, London & sometimes Newcastle

Yes, I dont think I recall seeing a protest march by Muslims who do not agree with these atrocities or am I incorrect?"

Only afew weeks ago some friends of mine were at a large gathering in Birmingham where the main speakers were condemning Isis and their actions. Yet it never got any media coverage.

I agree with ppl here saying they'll have a long wait before they hear Muslims condemning Isis, but for different reason.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He wasn't executed. Executed is when you've done something wrong/bad, you have a trial and the correct punishment is handed out. He was innocent and murdered. David Cameron has his blood on his hands. Despise that man!!! That one head I'd like to see on a stick

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"David Cameron has his blood on his hands. Despise that man!!! That one head I'd like to see on a stick"

what a ridiculous thing to say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, I dont think I recall seeing a protest march by Muslims who do not agree with these atrocities or am I incorrect?

Only afew weeks ago some friends of mine were at a large gathering in Birmingham where the main speakers were condemning Isis and their actions. Yet it never got any media coverage.

I agree with ppl here saying they'll have a long wait before they hear Muslims condemning Isis, but for different reason."

Thank you for correcting me, its a shame it wasn't unreported.

What are the different reasons you refer to?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With only around 5% of the population being muslim and tge vast majority of them being normal peaceful people people rather than extremists I very much doubt this will ever become me a civil war

The examples of he places I gave are not 5%.. but have fun in your bubble it sounds lovely

So a civil war can occur in just a few suburbs?

With regards to purely the 5% comment, official census stats 2011 suggested 4.4%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom

However, figures from 2009 suggested 2.4%. It stands to reason the actual figure today is not far off 10% ?

As far as civil war starting in the suburbs, any war usually starts with 2 sides not just disagreeing, but finding no way (other than war) to settle their differences.

Even in the wild west, a gun fight gone wrong can escalate quickly. My point being its not inconceivable for something to start in the suburbs."

I'm no statistician but failing to see how you arrive at 10%?

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By *adja_lazloCouple
over a year ago

Solihull

"Is this really the right and appropriate place to discuss theses issues?.

This is why the state is how it is propaganda .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"David Cameron has his blood on his hands. Despise that man!!! That one head I'd like to see on a stick

what a ridiculous thing to say"

Really? How?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"David Cameron has his blood on his hands. Despise that man!!! That one head I'd like to see on a stick

what a ridiculous thing to say

Really? How? "

you want him beheaded and his head on a stick and you question what is ridiculous on a thread in reply to a poor man who has actually been beheaded...

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

With only around 5% of the population being muslim and tge vast majority of them being normal peaceful people people rather than extremists I very much doubt this will ever become me a civil war

The examples of he places I gave are not 5%.. but have fun in your bubble it sounds lovely

So a civil war can occur in just a few suburbs?

With regards to purely the 5% comment, official census stats 2011 suggested 4.4%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom

However, figures from 2009 suggested 2.4%. It stands to reason the actual figure today is not far off 10% ?

As far as civil war starting in the suburbs, any war usually starts with 2 sides not just disagreeing, but finding no way (other than war) to settle their differences.

Even in the wild west, a gun fight gone wrong can escalate quickly. My point being its not inconceivable for something to start in the suburbs.

I'm no statistician but failing to see how you arrive at 10%?"

Actually, I said "It stands to reason the actual figure today is not far off 10% ?"

For me its not that complicated: "almost" doubling the percentage every 2 years, allowing for growth in families, people travelling and settling, as well as others converting through choice, is "not far off 10%" so unrealistic?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Christian terrorism does happen, not always as well organised as some other groups and not always as much TV coverage... Catholics and Protestants have been blowing each other up for years. Not quite as medieval as beheading, but the end result is the taking of life nevertheless. Germany and Japan still have foreign forces based in their countries. Yet the powers that be think a few years of occupation in a middle eastern country will sort all the problems out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

The USA has invaded around 50 countries since the end of WW2. Now they want to do warfare by remote control. Israel is killing thousands of Palestinians, women and children amongst them. Very little news reporting is unbiased, being owned by the likes of Murdoch et all... The Scots have been upset by the bias of the BBC news recently, and it gets sucked up... http://youtu.be/AIPD8qHhtVU

wish there was an opt out button!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh yeah....its ok, I forgot. He'll bring the executors to justice. Like Ken Bigleys hey....hmmmm god ole Dave!

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"Oh yeah....its ok, I forgot. He'll bring the executors to justice. Like Ken Bigleys hey....hmmmm god ole Dave!"

was he PM then, No

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

"Oh yeah....its ok, I forgot. He'll bring the executors to justice. Like Ken Bigleys hey....hmmmm god ole Dave!"

With much luck they're "human rights" will be protected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Plz tell me how it's, David. Cameron's. fault?

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over a year ago

"David Cameron has his blood on his hands. Despise that man!!! That one head I'd like to see on a stick

what a ridiculous thing to say

Really? How?

you want him beheaded and his head on a stick and you question what is ridiculous on a thread in reply to a poor man who has actually been beheaded...

Yeah actually I agree with you...two wrongs and all that. I'm just angry and hurt. Of course I wouldn't want anybody (even that toad) to be hurt. And really you know that don't you....but hey, someone's gotta look the better person on here haven't they....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He wasn't executed. Executed is when you've done something wrong/bad, you have a trial and the correct punishment is handed out. He was innocent and murdered. David Cameron has his blood on his hands. Despise that man!!! That one head I'd like to see on a stick"

Execution and capital punishment are two different things, although they do overlap.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Plz tell me how it's, David. Cameron's. fault?"

Why don't you carry on inboxing me and ask this question?

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By *lassic1Man
over a year ago

bellshill

Stark reality is that Muslims are demonstrating a scant respect for human life in general.

Wether its wrapping a bomb around the waist of so called loved ones or flying aircraft into crowded buildings Muslims have little respect for life.

What we can do about this is hard to say but if my opinion and that of countless millions throughout the civilised world needs to be challenged then PLEASE WILL THE MUSLIM POPULATION STAND UP NOW AND WHOLLY CONDEMN.

Or will we still get the street celebrations on aniversary of 9/11

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh yeah....its ok, I forgot. He'll bring the executors to justice. Like Ken Bigleys hey....hmmmm god ole Dave!

was he PM then, No"

And if David's gone next year will David Haines murder be left and forgotten too?

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"It is all part of a plan to goad 'The West' into another war where they can't do right for doing wrong.

There is no easy solution and, I fear, no good outcome.

I thought it was a plan to get the whole world, The West or otherwise, to be a global islamic community, under sharia law, or otherwise fear of death.

All for the sake of 72 virgins? Who said they have to be female? They might not even be fit!"

That was my interpretation too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nearly back to "rivers of blood" again...

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By *angzMan
over a year ago

Manchester, London & sometimes Newcastle

Yes, I dont think I recall seeing a protest march by Muslims who do not agree with these atrocities or am I incorrect?

Only afew weeks ago some friends of mine were at a large gathering in Birmingham where the main speakers were condemning Isis and their actions. Yet it never got any media coverage.

I agree with ppl here saying they'll have a long wait before they hear Muslims condemning Isis, but for different reason.

Thank you for correcting me, its a shame it wasn't unreported.

What are the different reasons you refer to?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Stark reality is that Muslims are demonstrating a scant respect for human life in general.

Wether its wrapping a bomb around the waist of so called loved ones or flying aircraft into crowded buildings Muslims have little respect for life.

Or will we still get the street celebrations on aniversary of 9/11

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_of_the_War_in_Afghanistan_(2001–present)

Add to that the civilians killed by drone attacks in Pakistan and I see what you mean, The Christian nations waging war on terror, have, it seems a deep respect for human life...

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

ISIS or IS are a group of fascists they are exactly the same as the NAZI's of the 30's and 40's Germany or the Khmer Rouge of the mid 70's. IS will continue, and expand their reign of terror until either we stop them or they turn in on their selves.

Simple fact is that all evil needs to prosper is for good people to sit idle. We and our leaders have chosen to be idle so we should not be surprised to see evil grow.

Further it is my _iew that it is better for us to do our fighting on our enemies ground rather than ours, ISIS is our enemy, we need to get out there and stamp on them hard before they export their murderous philosophy to our streets.

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By *angzMan
over a year ago

Manchester, London & sometimes Newcastle

"Stark reality is that Muslims are demonstrating a scant respect for human life in general.

Wether its wrapping a bomb around the waist of so called loved ones or flying aircraft into crowded buildings Muslims have little respect for life.

Or will we still get the street celebrations on aniversary of 9/11

Rather ignorant and a massive generalisation to speak if all Muslims. See my post above re: speaking out against terrorism

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*That not what

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By *lassic1Man
over a year ago

bellshill

"Nearly back to "rivers of blood" again..."

Sad thing is that up to a couple of months ago I really hated Muslim extremists for thier vile activities......Now that the muslim world have stood silent in condemnation my feeling are tending to widen somewhat.

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By *angzMan
over a year ago

Manchester, London & sometimes Newcastle

"ISIS or IS are a group of fascists they are exactly the same as the NAZI's of the 30's and 40's Germany or the Khmer Rouge of the mid 70's. IS will continue, and expand their reign of terror until either we stop them or they turn in on their selves.

Simple fact is that all evil needs to prosper is for good people to sit idle. We and our leaders have chosen to be idle so we should not be surprised to see evil grow.

Behind the scenes, western govts aren't too bothered really. Fact is only a handful of western ppl have been beheaded, whereas isis has beheaded thousands? of Muslims and is destabilising Syria.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, I dont think I recall seeing a protest march by Muslims who do not agree with these atrocities or am I incorrect?

Only afew weeks ago some friends of mine were at a large gathering in Birmingham where the main speakers were condemning Isis and their actions. Yet it never got any media coverage.

I agree with ppl here saying they'll have a long wait before they hear Muslims condemning Isis, but for different reason.

Thank you for correcting me, its a shame it wasn't unreported.

What are the different reasons you refer to?

My reason is that no matter how often Muslim leaders condemn terrorism, the media won't be interested in reporting it. They're far more interested in giving time to the ranting psychopaths preaching hate."
But do you not think that they do this because they want us to hate Muslims? And think of them as vermin, sick and twisted?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Yes, I dont think I recall seeing a protest march by Muslims who do not agree with these atrocities or am I incorrect?

Only afew weeks ago some friends of mine were at a large gathering in Birmingham where the main speakers were condemning Isis and their actions. Yet it never got any media coverage.

I agree with ppl here saying they'll have a long wait before they hear Muslims condemning Isis, but for different reason.

Thank you for correcting me, its a shame it wasn't unreported.

What are the different reasons you refer to?

My reason is that no matter how often Muslim leaders condemn terrorism, the media won't be interested in reporting it. They're far more interested in giving time to the ranting psychopaths preaching hate. But do you not think that they do this because they want us to hate Muslims? And think of them as vermin, sick and twisted? "

These acts happen because the Islamic State want to draw Western forces into attacks, as that in turn supports the narrative of Western oppression that they seek to create to increase recruiting.

Incidentally, Muslim leaders' unreserved condemnation of IS actions is being reported on Radio 4 right now.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Nearly back to "rivers of blood" again...

So the ten Arab states that have pledged support to fight IS and the fact that unreported condemnation by Muslims will never mean anything. You started from a position of hate now you can continue to justify that.

I will say this again as it seems it needs repeating, Muslims as a large general body is not IS. Where there is widespread loud condemnation it does not get widely reported. Look beyond the sensational headlines and you will see the condemnation.

Tarring all Muslims as heinous murderers will derive many more to become so. You might as well be hung for a lamb as a sheep.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, I dont think I recall seeing a protest march by Muslims who do not agree with these atrocities or am I incorrect?

Only afew weeks ago some friends of mine were at a large gathering in Birmingham where the main speakers were condemning Isis and their actions. Yet it never got any media coverage.

I agree with ppl here saying they'll have a long wait before they hear Muslims condemning Isis, but for different reason.

Thank you for correcting me, its a shame it wasn't unreported.

What are the different reasons you refer to?

My reason is that no matter how often Muslim leaders condemn terrorism, the media won't be interested in reporting it. They're far more interested in giving time to the ranting psychopaths preaching hate. But do you not think that they do this because they want us to hate Muslims? And think of them as vermin, sick and twisted?

These acts happen because the Islamic State want to draw Western forces into attacks, as that in turn supports the narrative of Western oppression that they seek to create to increase recruiting.

Incidentally, Muslim leaders' unreserved condemnation of IS actions is being reported on Radio 4 right now."

Hmmmm time will tell I suppose. Who really knows hey?....except for world leaders. Scarry shit if you ask me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, I dont think I recall seeing a protest march by Muslims who do not agree with these atrocities or am I incorrect?

Only afew weeks ago some friends of mine were at a large gathering in Birmingham where the main speakers were condemning Isis and their actions. Yet it never got any media coverage.

I agree with ppl here saying they'll have a long wait before they hear Muslims condemning Isis, but for different reason.

Thank you for correcting me, its a shame it wasn't unreported.

What are the different reasons you refer to?

My reason is that no matter how often Muslim leaders condemn terrorism, the media won't be interested in reporting it. They're far more interested in giving time to the ranting psychopaths preaching hate. But do you not think that they do this because they want us to hate Muslims? And think of them as vermin, sick and twisted? "

The news corporations are owned by the very rich. The armaments industry is owned by the very rich. 1600 billion plus has been spent on the war on terror... The only people who pay with blood are the poor/working class in general!

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Yes, I dont think I recall seeing a protest march by Muslims who do not agree with these atrocities or am I incorrect?

Only afew weeks ago some friends of mine were at a large gathering in Birmingham where the main speakers were condemning Isis and their actions. Yet it never got any media coverage.

I agree with ppl here saying they'll have a long wait before they hear Muslims condemning Isis, but for different reason.

Thank you for correcting me, its a shame it wasn't unreported.

What are the different reasons you refer to?

My reason is that no matter how often Muslim leaders condemn terrorism, the media won't be interested in reporting it. They're far more interested in giving time to the ranting psychopaths preaching hate. But do you not think that they do this because they want us to hate Muslims? And think of them as vermin, sick and twisted?

These acts happen because the Islamic State want to draw Western forces into attacks, as that in turn supports the narrative of Western oppression that they seek to create to increase recruiting.

Incidentally, Muslim leaders' unreserved condemnation of IS actions is being reported on Radio 4 right now."

Not right now. It's Just a Minute now. It has been reported on R4 but the fact is that it doesn't make it to the mainstream news.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Stark reality is that Muslims are demonstrating a scant respect for human life in general.

Wether its wrapping a bomb around the waist of so called loved ones or flying aircraft into crowded buildings Muslims have little respect for life.

Or will we still get the street celebrations on aniversary of 9/11

Your comments are factually incorrect. Let me see if I can help here.

Stark reality is that SOME people in the name of Islam are demonstrating a scant respect for human life in general.

SOME people in the name of Islam have little respect for life.

Now we could change the Islam bit for any religion you like and the comments would still make scence.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"Oh yeah....its ok, I forgot. He'll bring the executors to justice. Like Ken Bigleys hey....hmmmm god ole Dave!

was he PM then, No

And if David's gone next year will David Haines murder be left and forgotten too? "

I hope not.

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over a year ago

"Oh yeah....its ok, I forgot. He'll bring the executors to justice. Like Ken Bigleys hey....hmmmm god ole Dave!

was he PM then, No

And if David's gone next year will David Haines murder be left and forgotten too?

I hope not."

Me too. This is just unacceptable.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Not right now. It's Just a Minute now. It has been reported on R4 but the fact is that it doesn't make it to the mainstream news."

is this mainsteam enough... this was said 2 weeks ago and the position hasn't change....

http://news.sky.com/story/1327540/muslim-leaders-issue-fatwa-against-is-britons

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over a year ago

Yes, I dont think I recall seeing a protest march by Muslims who do not agree with these atrocities or am I incorrect?

Only afew weeks ago some friends of mine were at a large gathering in Birmingham where the main speakers were condemning Isis and their actions. Yet it never got any media coverage.

I agree with ppl here saying they'll have a long wait before they hear Muslims condemning Isis, but for different reason.

Thank you for correcting me, its a shame it wasn't unreported.

What are the different reasons you refer to?

My reason is that no matter how often Muslim leaders condemn terrorism, the media won't be interested in reporting it. They're far more interested in giving time to the ranting psychopaths preaching hate. But do you not think that they do this because they want us to hate Muslims? And think of them as vermin, sick and twisted?

Totally agreed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like separating oil from water, I think ISIS is trying to cause hatred for Islam, which isnt difficult when you look at Nationalist thugs and the likes of the EDL. Because the only way they could win is from within a country they want to attack, and the only way they can do that is by turning the villified into willing martyrs. We've been there before, we know the answer.

Peace!

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By *angzMan
over a year ago

Manchester, London & sometimes Newcastle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtgGDq7tbwk

http://www.peninsulatimes.org/2014/08/20/grand-mufti-speaks-extremism-attacks-isis-al-qaeda/

http://www.christianpost.com/news/top-saudi-cleric-joins-muslim-leaders-in-condemning-isis-terrorists-says-they-are-destroying-human-civilization-125113/

Just in case I hear anymore morons saying all Muslims support terrorism, I'll refer them to the above.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Yes, I dont think I recall seeing a protest march by Muslims who do not agree with these atrocities or am I incorrect?

Only afew weeks ago some friends of mine were at a large gathering in Birmingham where the main speakers were condemning Isis and their actions. Yet it never got any media coverage.

I agree with ppl here saying they'll have a long wait before they hear Muslims condemning Isis, but for different reason.

Thank you for correcting me, its a shame it wasn't unreported.

What are the different reasons you refer to?

My reason is that no matter how often Muslim leaders condemn terrorism, the media won't be interested in reporting it. They're far more interested in giving time to the ranting psychopaths preaching hate. But do you not think that they do this because they want us to hate Muslims? And think of them as vermin, sick and twisted?

These acts happen because the Islamic State want to draw Western forces into attacks, as that in turn supports the narrative of Western oppression that they seek to create to increase recruiting.

Incidentally, Muslim leaders' unreserved condemnation of IS actions is being reported on Radio 4 right now.

Not right now. It's Just a Minute now. It has been reported on R4 but the fact is that it doesn't make it to the mainstream news."

The BBC is the mainstream news. R4 is as mainstream as any other BBC channel.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"Oh yeah....its ok, I forgot. He'll bring the executors to justice. Like Ken Bigleys hey....hmmmm god ole Dave!

was he PM then, No

And if David's gone next year will David Haines murder be left and forgotten too?

I hope not.

Me too. This is just unacceptable. "

Ahmad Fadeel al-Nazal al-Khalayleh

Born October 30, 1966

Zarqa, Jordan

Died June 7, 2006 (aged 39)

Hibhib, Iraq

I believe he led the group that murdered Mr Bigley.

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By *lay4RealCouple
over a year ago

London

"Judging by the age alot of youngsters "pop their cherry" these days, anyone having 72 virgins is probably a paedophile as well as a terrorist."

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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago

north west

Anyone can condem things but it dont mean it ,it's an easy cop out ,the way for the Muslim people to stop hatred of them selves is to stand up and put a stop to the British extreme Muslims preaching there crap in our streets ,I think they would gain a whole lot of respect from people if that was to happen I mean it was a British Muslim that beheaded David Haines.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Then that will be true of me too.

Defending the majority, when they are being tarred and attacked and in IS land also under physical attack if they don't step in line, does not mean support for IS.

I feel it's that sort of polarisation of opinion that leads to atrocities.

and me also on the actuality of what my response usually is whenever someone through ignorance, bigotry or an agenda castigates all of any section of our society or culture when its a minority of vile people carrying out such acts..

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Anyone can condem things but it dont mean it ,it's an easy cop out ,the way for the Muslim people to stop hatred of them selves is to stand up and put a stop to the British extreme Muslims preaching there crap in our streets ,I think they would gain a whole lot of respect from people if that was to happen I mean it was a British Muslim that beheaded David Haines."

How do you know it was a British Muslim who beheaded, has the video been shown?? I mean of the actual beheading

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Simple fact is that all evil needs to prosper is for good people to sit idle. We and our leaders have chosen to be idle so we should not be surprised to see evil grow.

Behind the scenes, western govts aren't too bothered really. Fact is only a handful of western ppl have been beheaded, whereas isis has beheaded thousands? of Muslims and is destabilising Syria."

True, but that is always the case in a democracy, our leaders may inform but always reflect our attitudes.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

How do you know it was a British Muslim who beheaded, has the video been shown?? I mean of the actual beheading

They believe it to be jihad John but I don't think it has been confirmed

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By *angzMan
over a year ago

Manchester, London & sometimes Newcastle

Excellent post. First we get idiots stating all Muslims support terrorism and none speak out against it. I show reports from some of the highest Islamic leaders condemning it and you're effectively saying "but they don't mean it".

If hate is being preached on the streets of Britain then it should be dealt with by the law. Dont we have police who are supposed to uphold it?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Let's not forget that the Saudi Arabian government beheaded eight people in the last month alone. The West isn't so bothered if beheading is carried out by our pals.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Let's not forget that the Saudi Arabian government beheaded eight people in the last month alone. The West isn't so bothered if beheading is carried out by our pals."

And they fund them, and laden was Saudi, and hijackers were Saudi but we go fighting other countries

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I saw a video that was posted on Facebook of a mass execution by IS where they went along a line of young men some looked very young and shot them in the head....I just think what the fuck is this world coming to...

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Let's not forget that the Saudi Arabian government beheaded eight people in the last month alone. The West isn't so bothered if beheading is carried out by our pals.

And they fund them, and laden was Saudi, and hijackers were Saudi but we go fighting other countries

they've been the big fuckoff elephant in the room for a while now but we don't want to upset one of our largest customers for arms sales now do we..

its a joke beyond irony..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How can religious leaders stop extremist preaching, If they are breaking the law then its up to our judicial system to deal with it and im afraid even if mainstream muslims could put a stop it wouldnt alter peoples thinking, people who hate others because of their religion, Colour or sexual orientation will not change their _iew because of a good deed.

Gimp

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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago

north west

But it don't get dealt with by the law it's left alone because the race card comes out every time if the Muslim people don't won't to be branded then surely they should put a stop to the extreme ones that let them down

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By *angzMan
over a year ago

Manchester, London & sometimes Newcastle

"I saw a video that was posted on Facebook of a mass execution by IS where they went along a line of young men some looked very young and shot them in the head....I just think what the fuck is this world coming to..."

I saw pics of captured Syrian soldiers being marched into the desert and shot. Saddam and Asad weren't/aren't angels, but nothing compared to what's there now. I know the background to this is complicated, but hope bush and blair feel proud of themselves

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Let's not forget that the Saudi Arabian government beheaded eight people in the last month alone. The West isn't so bothered if beheading is carried out by our pals.

And they fund them, and laden was Saudi, and hijackers were Saudi but we go fighting other countries

Oil...sweet, sweet oil...

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By *angzMan
over a year ago

Manchester, London & sometimes Newcastle

"But it don't get dealt with by the law it's left alone because the race card comes out every time if the Muslim people don't won't to be branded then surely they should put a stop to the extreme ones that let them down

Did you know that there are White British ppl who are Muslims? Its nothing to do with race. If the police aren't doing anything against illegal activity/speech then it's a matter for ALL of us to hold the law to account.

Can you tell me you have seen hate preachers on our streets and have informed the police, who've not done anything?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

How many local criminals have you apprehended, lately?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With only around 5% of the population being muslim and tge vast majority of them being normal peaceful people people rather than extremists I very much doubt this will ever become me a civil war

The examples of he places I gave are not 5%.. but have fun in your bubble it sounds lovely

So a civil war can occur in just a few suburbs?

With regards to purely the 5% comment, official census stats 2011 suggested 4.4%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom

However, figures from 2009 suggested 2.4%. It stands to reason the actual figure today is not far off 10% ?

As far as civil war starting in the suburbs, any war usually starts with 2 sides not just disagreeing, but finding no way (other than war) to settle their differences.

Even in the wild west, a gun fight gone wrong can escalate quickly. My point being its not inconceivable for something to start in the suburbs.

I'm no statistician but failing to see how you arrive at 10%?

Actually, I said "It stands to reason the actual figure today is not far off 10% ?"

I have no idea what your source is for your 2009 figure but as it is lower than the 2001 census I suspect it's inaccurate. As the 2001 census said around 3% were Muslim indicating a growth of less than 2% in a decade i think it's safe to dismiss your 10% figure as grossly unrealistic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love the different point of _iews on this thread... even the ones I don't agree with ...just great to debate.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Let's not forget that the Saudi Arabian government beheaded eight people in the last month alone. The West isn't so bothered if beheading is carried out by our pals.

And they fund them, and laden was Saudi, and hijackers were Saudi but we go fighting other countries

they've been the big fuckoff elephant in the room for a while now but we don't want to upset one of our largest customers for arms sales now do we..

its a joke beyond irony..

Ain't that the truth.

Sick joke

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over a year ago

Love the different point of _iews on this thread... even the ones I don't agree with ...just great to debate.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

One of the narratives in this issue is that Islamic State are somehow the worst monsters that the world has ever seen.

Of course, they are horrible, inhuman people. But they have barely scratched the surface of the sort of disgusting stuff that the Saddam Hussein regime got up to when they tortured and murdered hundreds of thousands of their own citizens.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"One of the narratives in this issue is that Islamic State are somehow the worst monsters that the world has ever seen.

How many died during the search for fictitional wmds?

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

I'm no statistician but failing to see how you arrive at 10%?

Actually, I said "It stands to reason the actual figure today is not far off 10% ?"

A number of things I mentioned earlier, so will repeat:

1) "My" source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom

This has both tables from 2011 and 2009 figures further down the page.

2) I'm comparing both years then extrapulating, and have given plenty of allowance for margin or error and even gone so far as to say "stands to reason" (I never said fact) and "not far off 10% ?" (I never said as an actual figure, as indicated by the question mark, in itself suggesting "ballpark figure?").

Not sure why you're leaning that I have suggested any of this as fact, and while the counter point of a debate is a given, your approach is ... concerning.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Not right now. It's Just a Minute now. It has been reported on R4 but the fact is that it doesn't make it to the mainstream news.

is this mainsteam enough... this was said 2 weeks ago and the position hasn't change....

http://news.sky.com/story/1327540/muslim-leaders-issue-fatwa-against-is-britons"

Thank you. I hadn't seen that as I don't watch Sky News.

I hope it helps some to see that there is condemnation from other Muslims.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its another sad death but its worth no more no less than the hundreds and thousands of others in this conflict.

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By *ranthamThroatMan
over a year ago

Grantham.

They achieved their aim.

You are stunned and sickened.

They want your and everyone's hatred so can instill even more fear and therefore obtain their aims more easily.

Horror they can bring easily, alas beyond wickedness, no, alas it has gone on since time began & will continue to do so.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Not right now. It's Just a Minute now. It has been reported on R4 but the fact is that it doesn't make it to the mainstream news.

The BBC is the mainstream news. R4 is as mainstream as any other BBC channel."

My point is that if it's mainstream then more people would know this and wouldn't be saying that there is NO condemnation from Muslims.

Mainstream news is that there are evil beheadings and Muslims are to blame. It's a truth but not then covered with the condemnations (another truth) side by side.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I asked early for Muslims to stand as one and condemn this latest beheading. I note the point that some Muslims have done so. And quite right too. Surely though ALL Muslims should? Across the world. This guy was an aid worker, not connected with Western oppression (quite the reverse). I have always had sympathy for the plight of, for example, the Palestinians or those caught up in the Iraq wars and see how such things lead to extremism. However, the beheading of an aid worker surely can only do harm to the cause of those who defy Western influences in the middle East. It erodes, if not demolishes, sympathy from those of us who are fair minded enough to see that extremists have a political point of _iew. I, for one, feel much less inclined to listen to their point of _iew on such a sad day. As such, they have not helped their cause. More atrocities will only follow, on both sides, while they continue with this course of action. Then we all lose

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We still have ancient law that is not used which is treason so these cunts kidnapping and murdering if proven to be british born or have british passport should be charged under that law as still carries death penalty though to be honest islam if i am correct teaches eye for an eye so leave those responsible in a room with relatives of those directly affected see how brave they are then.

No doubt the do gooder softies here will say its drastic course of action but so is murder so lets play by the rules of those involved.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well done ..... good idea but dont hang them in public it will make them martyrs........just take the bastards some where and hang them.

any way he is scots so want be our problem soon, wonder if salmon will have the balls that camaron has

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

"well done ..... good idea but dont hang them in public it will make them martyrs........just take the bastards some where and hang them.

any way he is scots so want be our problem soon, wonder if salmon will have the balls that camaron has

He was born in east Yorkshire and just brought up in Scotland

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your ancestors king, Henry 8th used to love having a wife's 'head' so that he could grab another qwench; - see what I did, there?

..........it kind of feels like some kind of karma, although equally as horrid, - does anyone see that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think IS is by far the biggest threat to our western culture for years and thet think because of what happened with the 2003 invasion of Iraq we won't do anything about it.

Killing a citizen of the UK in cold blood is, in my eyes, enough of reason to act. Never mind their threats of bringing terror to our streets.

The whole free world regardless of religion needs to end this problem now before it spreads

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By *ranthamThroatMan
over a year ago

Grantham.

"I asked early for Muslims to stand as one and condemn this latest beheading. I note the point that some Muslims have done so. And quite right too. Surely though ALL Muslims should? Across the world. This guy was an aid worker, not connected with Western oppression (quite the reverse). I have always had sympathy for the plight of, for example, the Palestinians or those caught up in the Iraq wars and see how such things lead to extremism. However, the beheading of an aid worker surely can only do harm to the cause of those who defy Western influences in the middle East. It erodes, if not demolishes, sympathy from those of us who are fair minded enough to see that extremists have a political point of _iew. I, for one, feel much less inclined to listen to their point of _iew on such a sad day. As such, they have not helped their cause. More atrocities will only follow, on both sides, while they continue with this course of action. Then we all lose"

I feel you have not got the point of what they want to achieve because your Western values to them.

Western values are exactly what they want to oppose, in ANY way they can.

Graphic videos of beheading or flying air craft in to tower blocks,

You apply your values and empathise with Palestinians, and in their _iew so what?

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

"Western values are exactly what they want to oppose, in ANY way they can.

I remember seeing 4 young men in north London having their own mini "speakers corner", complete with desk and leaflets about how "bad" the west was and how "good and justifiable" these actions were (promises of "Allah will reward you with virgins" and all that).

The irony was, one lad had a pair or Nike trainers, another had a Tommy Hilfiger shirt, the third was eating (some form of) burger and drinking form a MacDonalds cup (obviously on his "break" from all that talking on previous shift), the 4th handing out leaflets trying to get the eye of the pretty girls passing.

I just thought "Ah yes, the west is sooo bad!".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We need Gabriel Shear.

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By *ranthamThroatMan
over a year ago

Grantham.

"Western values are exactly what they want to oppose, in ANY way they can.

I just thought "Ah yes, the west is sooo bad!"."

Did you point this out to them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well done ..... good idea but dont hang them in public it will make them martyrs........just take the bastards some where and hang them.

any way he is scots so want be our problem soon, wonder if salmon will have the balls that camaron has

Omg, I've just learned that Cameron has balls; please excuse me whilst I spread the news around the world, - now, this is definitely going to surprise them all!!!

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over a year ago

I feel you have not got the point of what they want to achieve because your Western values to them.

Western values are exactly what they want to oppose, in ANY way they can.

Graphic videos of beheading or flying air craft in to tower blocks,

You apply your values and empathise with Palestinians, and in their _iew so what?

They will still shock you and any of us who are liberal in thought, they fucking want to shock the shit out of us to achieve their aims, wimping it on a swinger site is hrdly relevant to influence them, so bloody what!"
. If they want to oppose western ways, then why like the other post above are the eating western food and wearing western clothes??. We need to go in hard and fast with no mercy or fluffing about. Anyone our government thinks has any form of link to this so called organisation should be arrested by the police and deported no questions asked. Take there choice away from them.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

Why?

By your logic all Catholics should have apologised every time the IRA blew something up, but they didn't because we made the (correct) assumption that most people (catholic or otherwise) don't condone the bombing of civillians.

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over a year ago

"I asked early for Muslims to stand as one and condemn this latest beheading. I note the point that some Muslims have done so. And quite right too. Surely though ALL Muslims should? Across the world.

Why?

& the army's harassment, brutality & murder of Catholics in NI; - just ensuring that your argument is well balanced, that's all!!

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

I feel you have not got the point of what they want to achieve because your Western values to them.

Western values are exactly what they want to oppose, in ANY way they can.

Graphic videos of beheading or flying air craft in to tower blocks,

You apply your values and empathise with Palestinians, and in their _iew so what?

They will still shock you and any of us who are liberal in thought, they fucking want to shock the shit out of us to achieve their aims, wimping it on a swinger site is hrdly relevant to influence them, so bloody what!. If they want to oppose western ways, then why like the other post above are the eating western food and wearing western clothes??. We need to go in hard and fast with no mercy or fluffing about. Anyone our government thinks has any form of link to this so called organisation should be arrested by the police and deported no questions asked. Take there choice away from them. "

Lol yes if anything they should not be eating western food or eating the likes of crap food..

Eastern food is way better than the trash that we import from America.

And yes I do find it sad that anyone should eat such crap.

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

"Western values are exactly what they want to oppose, in ANY way they can.

I just thought "Ah yes, the west is sooo bad!".

Did you point this out to them?

Someone else did, but the "gobby youths" responded with some form of "going out and claiming all before them as Allah's gift", in short, justifying what they were wearing (even though it was from the very west they were preaching their disdain"

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"I asked early for Muslims to stand as one and condemn this latest beheading. I note the point that some Muslims have done so. And quite right too. Surely though ALL Muslims should? Across the world.

Why?

& the army's harassment, brutality & murder of Catholics in NI; - just ensuring that your argument is well balanced, that's all!!

I didn't feel the need to make that point as others have already pointed out that the US & UK have plenty of blood on their hands.

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over a year ago

"I asked early for Muslims to stand as one and condemn this latest beheading. I note the point that some Muslims have done so. And quite right too. Surely though ALL Muslims should? Across the world.

Why?

& the army's harassment, brutality & murder of Catholics in NI; - just ensuring that your argument is well balanced, that's all!!

The IRA that lured 3 young Scottish soldiers from. A pub tied their hands behind their backs and shot them in the back of the head !

Yes let's have balance !

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"I asked early for Muslims to stand as one and condemn this latest beheading. I note the point that some Muslims have done so. And quite right too. Surely though ALL Muslims should? Across the world.

Why?

& the army's harassment, brutality & murder of Catholics in NI; - just ensuring that your argument is well balanced, that's all!!

The IRA that lured 3 young Scottish soldiers from. A pub tied their hands behind their backs and shot them in the back of the head !

Yes let's have balance !"

There are plenty of accounts of torture and brutality from British forces in Ireland from the 1920s onwards if you wanted to start that particular piece of tit-for-tat squabbling.

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

WOW !! This topic has become another 'the bloody muslims' thread

Beginning to regret posting on here seeing some of the 'open minded' _iews, conspiracy labels and a courageous hate message, how lovely

I'll leave this thread with one thought or question, if IS is a west hating, islam preaching organisation, surely they would only kill non-muslims and not any of the muslim folk of Iraq, right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another worrying fact is that these barbaric acts they are doing may stare up hatred in this country and cause some backlash "

ISIS seem to have a lot of support in the uk

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over a year ago

"I asked early for Muslims to stand as one and condemn this latest beheading. I note the point that some Muslims have done so. And quite right too. Surely though ALL Muslims should? Across the world.

Why?

& the army's harassment, brutality & murder of Catholics in NI; - just ensuring that your argument is well balanced, that's all!!

The IRA that lured 3 young Scottish soldiers from. A pub tied their hands behind their backs and shot them in the back of the head !

Yes let's have balance !

There are plenty of accounts of torture and brutality from British forces in Ireland from the 1920s onwards if you wanted to start that particular piece of tit-for-tat squabbling. "

IRA kinda lost any moral standing when they sided with the nazis

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"WOW !! This topic has become another 'the bloody muslims' thread

Beginning to regret posting on here seeing some of the 'open minded' _iews, conspiracy labels and a courageous hate message, how lovely

I'll leave this thread with one thought or question, if IS is a west hating, islam preaching organisation, surely they would only kill non-muslims and not any of the muslim folk of Iraq, right

Its funded by saudi wahibism which in turn wants to destroy islam and bring everyone fighting and bring down the middle east

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

IRA kinda lost any moral standing when they sided with the nazis"

The Irish were not allowed to eat the the food they produced in their own country and were virtuly starved to death. A lot slower a death than a gas chamber.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

IRA kinda lost any moral standing when they sided with the nazis

The Irish were not allowed to eat the the food they produced in their own country and were virtuly starved to death. A lot slower a death than a gas chamber. "

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"I asked early for Muslims to stand as one and condemn this latest beheading. I note the point that some Muslims have done so. And quite right too. Surely though ALL Muslims should? Across the world.

Why?

& the army's harassment, brutality & murder of Catholics in NI; - just ensuring that your argument is well balanced, that's all!!

The IRA that lured 3 young Scottish soldiers from. A pub tied their hands behind their backs and shot them in the back of the head !

Yes let's have balance !

There are plenty of accounts of torture and brutality from British forces in Ireland from the 1920s onwards if you wanted to start that particular piece of tit-for-tat squabbling.

IRA kinda lost any moral standing when they sided with the nazis"

Whats your point?

The British Royal family in part supported the Nazis too....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I asked early for Muslims to stand as one and condemn this latest beheading. I note the point that some Muslims have done so. And quite right too. Surely though ALL Muslims should? Across the world.

Why?

& the army's harassment, brutality & murder of Catholics in NI; - just ensuring that your argument is well balanced, that's all!!

The IRA that lured 3 young Scottish soldiers from. A pub tied their hands behind their backs and shot them in the back of the head !

Yes let's have balance !

There are plenty of accounts of torture and brutality from British forces in Ireland from the 1920s onwards if you wanted to start that particular piece of tit-for-tat squabbling.

IRA kinda lost any moral standing when they sided with the nazis

Whats your point?

The British Royal family in part supported the Nazis too...."

Only a small part of them its not like they were running a swastika up at Buck house.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

IRA kinda lost any moral standing when they sided with the nazis

The Irish were not allowed to eat the the food they produced in their own country and were virtuly starved to death. A lot slower a death than a gas chamber.

The population of Ireland was decimated by 25% during the famine. How is this not attempted genicide ? Exactly how the nazis treated the Jews.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I asked early for Muslims to stand as one and condemn this latest beheading. I note the point that some Muslims have done so. And quite right too. Surely though ALL Muslims should? Across the world.

Why?

& the army's harassment, brutality & murder of Catholics in NI; - just ensuring that your argument is well balanced, that's all!!

The IRA that lured 3 young Scottish soldiers from. A pub tied their hands behind their backs and shot them in the back of the head !

Yes let's have balance !"

Compared to bloody Sunday, that was a wee stroll in the park!!

.......that's the thing about karma, the aggressors cannot see it - even when it's in their own faces!!!

Like when 9/11 is mentioned, - no one even contemplates the ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY THOUSAND innocent Iraqis who died in the second yanky-anglo war, - why is that? Please tell me, because you must know this, right???????

'What goes around' - & all that!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"IRA kinda lost any moral standing when they sided with the nazis

The Irish were not allowed to eat the the food they produced in their own country and were virtuly starved to death. A lot slower a death than a gas chamber. "

The population of Ireland was decimated by 25% during the famine. How is this not attempted genicide ? Exactly how the nazis treated the Jews."

Are you for real? You are totally deluded if you think they are the same. How you can compare the systematic collection of a specific group of people up shipped of to be intentionally murdered is any way near the same is unbelievable. Only a fool could be that insensitive and stupid to actually think that.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I asked early for Muslims to stand as one and condemn this latest beheading. I note the point that some Muslims have done so. And quite right too. Surely though ALL Muslims should?"

had anyone stopped me in the street to gauge my support for a day where ALL white folk of the same faith as Timothy Macvey were to stand as one in opposition to the Oklahoma bombing I would have looked at them like they were from planet fucking zog..

its a nonsensical suggestion and if any one thinks that such an organised peaceful show of condemnation by 'muslims' wouldn't be used by the edl/bnp fuckwits as an excuse for a tear up is equally not thinking it through..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what was the motive behind the English governments policy of starving the Irish to death.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what was the motive behind the English governments policy of starving the Irish to death. "

You need to read up on what happened I presume you are on about The Irish Famine of 1846-1850

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I think IS is by far the biggest threat to our western culture for years and thet think because of what happened with the 2003 invasion of Iraq we won't do anything about it.

Killing a citizen of the UK in cold blood is, in my eyes, enough of reason to act. Never mind their threats of bringing terror to our streets.

The whole free world regardless of religion needs to end this problem now before it spreads "

I was watching sky news earlier about this whole thing and todays events with the latest beheading. It seems the world maybe finally coming together on this issue to eradicate ISIS in syria and Iraq. The USA and a coalition of arab muslim countries from the region, (possibly Syria, Iraq, Iran, Jordan, and Saudia Arabia) along with other countries from all over the world (australia was mentioned along with the UK aswel) to take the fight to ISIS. Different countries will play different roles, and western nations will not be used as troops on the ground as this may be seen to give more fuel to ISIS and add more recruitment to their ranks. Muslim countries will most probably be the troops on the ground and UK, USA, Australia could provide air support and humanitarian support?

I think the muslim countries are finally starting to realise now that ISIS pose just as much a threat to them as they do us in the west.

ISIS days are now numbered!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know what happened.

The Irish where producing more than enough to sustain themselves but the ruling English would not let them eat it. Causing 25% of the population to either die or flee to a country where they were allowed to eat.

A fare comparison to genicide if you ask me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know what happened.

A fare comparison to genicide if you ask me. "

You obviously don't! You cannot eat potatoes hit by blight.

Harvests across Europe failed, the price of food soared. Subsistence-level Irish farmers found their food stores rotting in their cellars. Yes some crops were used to pay for tenancy but its a far fucking cry from rounding people up like cattle and shipping people off to be gassed to death. There is a big difference you know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some times people type unbelievably naive things on here!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what other explanation is there ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about the fish in the sea, cattle , chicken and such why weren't the Irish allowed to eat these ? Why were they only all used potatoes ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about the fish in the sea, cattle , chicken and such why weren't the Irish allowed to eat these ? Why were they only allowed potatoes ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Harvests across Europe failed, the price of food soared. Subsistence-level Irish farmers found their food stores rotting in their cellars. Yes some crops were used to pay for tenancy but its a far fucking cry from rounding people up like cattle and shipping people off to be gassed to death. There is a big difference you know

What about the fish in the sea, cattle , chicken and such why weren't the Irish allowed to eat these ? Why were they only all used potatoes ? "

Not everyone lived by the sea but those who did would fish others grew other foods people starved others emigrated in their millions. There was some aid not enough and if you actually know anything about it it was the land owners who were barbaric not the state and to compare it to the holocaust is appalling and either naivety or stupidity because there is a huge difference.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fish also live in the lakes and rivers that are inland. People were hung or sent to the colonies for daring to feed their families. It was no different to what the Germans wanted achieve. Just the Germans wanted to do it quicker.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fish also live in the lakes and rivers that are inland. People were hung or sent to the colonies for daring to feed their families. It was no different to what the Germans wanted achieve. Just the Germans wanted to do it quicker. "
Are you for real or so naive as to believe that? Or maybe you are anti-Semitic or pro fascist what ever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you for real or so naive as to believe that? Or maybe you are anti-Semitic or pro fascist what ever.

The fact you are so confused on this I will forgive your nativity earlier.

The destruction of a race is despicable, whether it's your race committing it or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you for real or so naive as to believe that? Or maybe you are anti-Semitic or pro fascist what ever.

The fact you are so confused on this I will forgive your nativity earlier.

The destruction of a race is despicable, whether it's your race committing it or not. "
You keep your "nativity" for xmas.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Genocide is for life , not just for Christmas.

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