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"If, Scotland. vote "yes" in their independence referendum? people without passports. Will they need 1 to travel to, Scotland.?" Not initially but that's unknown as of yet. You can travel to some countries without one though to fly to most places even internally they like you to have one. | |||
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"I know it's all hyperthetical at the moment. But, hey, just a thought though. "Yep I mean who will want to go to Scotland once its the northern hemispheres new Somalia .  | |||
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"What you should be asking is, would all the kilt wearing, caber tossing, bagpipe playing, border patrol guards be too bothered anyway. *rushes off to start digging a tunnel under Hadrian's Ruins "The. Great. Escape. (Scotland.) lol.  | |||
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"What you should be asking is, would all the kilt wearing, caber tossing, bagpipe playing, border patrol guards be too bothered anyway. *rushes off to start digging a tunnel under Hadrian's Ruins
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"Not if we stay part of Europe-most airlines you can fly in EU using driving licence. " Um no you can't  | |||
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"Not if we stay part of Europe-most airlines you can fly in EU using driving licence. Um no you can't "EU citizens with ID cards can often travel on these instead of passports - but not driving licences. A | |||
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"Not if we stay part of Europe-most airlines you can fly in EU using driving licence. Um no you can't
EU citizens with ID cards can often travel on these instead of passports - but not driving licences.
A"Uk citizens have to have a passport to travel anywhere outside of the UK | |||
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"Not if we stay part of Europe-most airlines you can fly in EU using driving licence. Um no you can't
EU citizens with ID cards can often travel on these instead of passports - but not driving licences.
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Uk citizens have to have a passport to travel anywhere outside of the UK "But the UK will no longer exist, I was actually wondering the same thing. Also Scotland won't automatically get EU membership they have to apply for it I believe. Also if you go to the Republic of Ireland you do need a passport, it's only Northern Ireland you don't need one for as it's part of the UK currently. | |||
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"Not if we stay part of Europe-most airlines you can fly in EU using driving licence. Um no you can't
EU citizens with ID cards can often travel on these instead of passports - but not driving licences.
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But the UK will no longer exist, I was actually wondering the same thing. Also Scotland won't automatically get EU membership they have to apply for it I believe.
Also if you go to the Republic of Ireland you do need a passport, it's only Northern Ireland you don't need one for as it's part of the UK currently."And it looks like Spain will veto Scotland joining the EU so membership is unlikely. To cross borders in the EU you need photo id but not all types are accepted in all circumstances - driving licences are not accepted for flights. | |||
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"Not if we stay part of Europe-most airlines you can fly in EU using driving licence. Um no you can't
EU citizens with ID cards can often travel on these instead of passports - but not driving licences.
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But the UK will no longer exist, I was actually wondering the same thing. Also Scotland won't automatically get EU membership they have to apply for it I believe.
Also if you go to the Republic of Ireland you do need a passport, it's only Northern Ireland you don't need one for as it's part of the UK currently."Whatever happens no doubt the Passport Office will find a way to fuck it up  | |||
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"Not if we stay part of Europe-most airlines you can fly in EU using driving licence. Um no you can't
EU citizens with ID cards can often travel on these instead of passports - but not driving licences.
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Uk citizens have to have a passport to travel anywhere outside of the UK "have travelled outside UK with driving licence and no passport.  | |||
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"Think logically, you don't need one to go to Wales or Ireland so why would one be needed to head north. Bit of a daft question really and hardly of important significance to the average voting Scotsman/woman " Wales and Northern Ireland are part of the UK so you don't need a passport the op asked IF Scotland becomes independent would you need one. | |||
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"I read somewhere that if the scots change or have different immigration rules to us then some form of boarder control would have to be put in place. Whether that's true or not I have no idea as a lot of crap is getting thrown about..." Well at least they already have the border control set up. Just needs a bit of titivating. And the Army are up there for shooting illegal immigrants.  | |||
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"I read somewhere that if the scots change or have different immigration rules to us then some form of boarder control would have to be put in place. Whether that's true or not I have no idea as a lot of crap is getting thrown about..." are you forgetting that there's a huge chance the "UK" will be voting to leave the EU in 2017? Border controls, currency, immigration, trade etc will be a whole new ball game if that one happens!! | |||
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"I read somewhere that if the scots change or have different immigration rules to us then some form of boarder control would have to be put in place. Whether that's true or not I have no idea as a lot of crap is getting thrown about... are you forgetting that there's a huge chance the "UK" will be voting to leave the EU in 2017? Border controls, currency, immigration, trade etc will be a whole new ball game if that one happens!!" True. Do you think that would effect the boarders between Scotland and the "uk" if we leave and they join? | |||
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"I read somewhere that if the scots change or have different immigration rules to us then some form of boarder control would have to be put in place. Whether that's true or not I have no idea as a lot of crap is getting thrown about..." OK let's get it right. At the moment Scotland is part of the UK so, although it has some devolved power, it is the same country as England, Wales, and Northern Ireland, so there are no border controls because legally there is no border, just a notional line. Should Scotland vote yes then the whole situation changes. In the short term there will be very little (if any) difference. There is no likelihood of Checkpoint Charlie being set up at Gretna on Friday morning. In the long term it is a lot more complicated and will hinge on Scotland's membership (or not) of the EU. As the rules stand all new applicant country's (which Scotland will be) have to sign the Schengen agreement which means it cannot have border controls between itself and other Schengen country's (which is most of the EU) The UK didn't sign up to Schengen and that is why there are still border controls between it and all other EU country's. So the UK will have to have a border between an independent, EU member and Schengen signatory, Scotland. Not do so will leave the rest of the UK open to the whole Schengen zone, and you only have to take a look at Calais at the moment to get an idea of the consequences. Bottom line is that eventually border posts will be erected and everyone will need some form of photo ID to cross. Either that or Scotland doesn't join the EU and hangs on to UK style border controls. There isn't a third option. | |||
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"I read somewhere that if the scots change or have different immigration rules to us then some form of boarder control would have to be put in place. Whether that's true or not I have no idea as a lot of crap is getting thrown about... OK let's get it right. At the moment Scotland is part of the UK so, although it has some devolved power, it is the same country as England, Wales, and Northern Ireland, so there are no border controls because legally there is no border, just a notional line. Should Scotland vote yes then the whole situation changes. In the short term there will be very little (if any) difference. There is no likelihood of Checkpoint Charlie being set up at Gretna on Friday morning. In the long term it is a lot more complicated and will hinge on Scotland's membership (or not) of the EU. As the rules stand all new applicant country's (which Scotland will be) have to sign the Schengen agreement which means it cannot have border controls between itself and other Schengen country's (which is most of the EU) The UK didn't sign up to Schengen and that is why there are still border controls between it and all other EU country's. So the UK will have to have a border between an independent, EU member and Schengen signatory, Scotland. Not do so will leave the rest of the UK open to the whole Schengen zone, and you only have to take a look at Calais at the moment to get an idea of the consequences. Bottom line is that eventually border posts will be erected and everyone will need some form of photo ID to cross. Either that or Scotland doesn't join the EU and hangs on to UK style border controls. There isn't a third option." Ok now that's as clear as it's likely to get. And pretty much answered any questions I might have had. Thank you | |||
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"I read somewhere that if the scots change or have different immigration rules to us then some form of boarder control would have to be put in place. Whether that's true or not I have no idea as a lot of crap is getting thrown about... OK let's get it right. At the moment Scotland is part of the UK so, although it has some devolved power, it is the same country as England, Wales, and Northern Ireland, so there are no border controls because legally there is no border, just a notional line. Should Scotland vote yes then the whole situation changes. In the short term there will be very little (if any) difference. There is no likelihood of Checkpoint Charlie being set up at Gretna on Friday morning. In the long term it is a lot more complicated and will hinge on Scotland's membership (or not) of the EU. As the rules stand all new applicant country's (which Scotland will be) have to sign the Schengen agreement which means it cannot have border controls between itself and other Schengen country's (which is most of the EU) The UK didn't sign up to Schengen and that is why there are still border controls between it and all other EU country's. So the UK will have to have a border between an independent, EU member and Schengen signatory, Scotland. Not do so will leave the rest of the UK open to the whole Schengen zone, and you only have to take a look at Calais at the moment to get an idea of the consequences. Bottom line is that eventually border posts will be erected and everyone will need some form of photo ID to cross. Either that or Scotland doesn't join the EU and hangs on to UK style border controls. There isn't a third option." I suppose the third option is that Scotland (somehow) manages to join the EU and rUK votes to leave. That'll cause the same problem but in the opposite direction, so to speak | |||
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"Think logically, you don't need one to go to Wales or Ireland so why would one be needed to head north. Bit of a daft question really and hardly of important significance to the average voting Scotsman/woman " because if the yes vote get their way, they will no longer be part of the United Kingdom, they will be a sovereign state in their own right. That could mean border crossings, immigration and customs. The same as any foreign country. | |||
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"Not if we stay part of Europe-most airlines you can fly in EU using driving licence. " You don't fly then? The UK is not part of the Schengen agreement so you will need a passport. | |||
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"I read somewhere that if the scots change or have different immigration rules to us then some form of boarder control would have to be put in place. Whether that's true or not I have no idea as a lot of crap is getting thrown about... OK let's get it right. At the moment Scotland is part of the UK so, although it has some devolved power, it is the same country as England, Wales, and Northern Ireland, so there are no border controls because legally there is no border, just a notional line. Should Scotland vote yes then the whole situation changes. In the short term there will be very little (if any) difference. There is no likelihood of Checkpoint Charlie being set up at Gretna on Friday morning. In the long term it is a lot more complicated and will hinge on Scotland's membership (or not) of the EU. As the rules stand all new applicant country's (which Scotland will be) have to sign the Schengen agreement which means it cannot have border controls between itself and other Schengen country's (which is most of the EU) The UK didn't sign up to Schengen and that is why there are still border controls between it and all other EU country's. So the UK will have to have a border between an independent, EU member and Schengen signatory, Scotland. Not do so will leave the rest of the UK open to the whole Schengen zone, and you only have to take a look at Calais at the moment to get an idea of the consequences. Bottom line is that eventually border posts will be erected and everyone will need some form of photo ID to cross. Either that or Scotland doesn't join the EU and hangs on to UK style border controls. There isn't a third option. I suppose the third option is that Scotland (somehow) manages to join the EU and rUK votes to leave. That'll cause the same problem but in the opposite direction, so to speak "Ha. That would really put the cat among the pigeons. | |||
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"I know it's all hyperthetical at the moment. But, hey, just a thought though. "Is that hyper hysterical?         | |||
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"My question is IF someone born in Scotland is living in another part of the UK next Thursday, and continues to live outside Scotland for the next 18 months... what nationality will they be? i.e. where do they renew their passports next time round. "Still British as we already hold British passports. | |||
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"My question is IF someone born in Scotland is living in another part of the UK next Thursday, and continues to live outside Scotland for the next 18 months... what nationality will they be? i.e. where do they renew their passports next time round.
Still British as we already hold British passports."Yes but if Scotland is a new country, and either the UK or Scotland ever leaves the EU. would a British passport holder be entitled to live in Scotland? or would they have to apply to emigrate there? | |||
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"My question is IF someone born in Scotland is living in another part of the UK next Thursday, and continues to live outside Scotland for the next 18 months... what nationality will they be? i.e. where do they renew their passports next time round.
Still British as we already hold British passports.
Yes but if Scotland is a new country, and either the UK or Scotland ever leaves the EU. would a British passport holder be entitled to live in Scotland? or would they have to apply to emigrate there? "someone needs to ask Alex Salmond that question | |||
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"My question is IF someone born in Scotland is living in another part of the UK next Thursday, and continues to live outside Scotland for the next 18 months... what nationality will they be? i.e. where do they renew their passports next time round.
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Yes but if Scotland is a new country, and either the UK or Scotland ever leaves the EU. would a British passport holder be entitled to live in Scotland? or would they have to apply to emigrate there? "Scotland is not a new country, it has been a country for a very long time. I don't see a problem,I was born Scottish and I am British. It may be a new political entity, but British born will, I believe still stand, unless we are then regarded less than terrorists. ( that the Home Office have been unable to extradite ). I would say that our British passport holder status would be greater. The EU thing is not valid IMHO because we are still in the EU, so that would be a debate for after the 18th. | |||
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"If, Scotland. vote "yes" in their independence referendum? people without passports. Will they need 1 to travel to, Scotland.?" Stop being silly | |||
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"And what if my uk British passport requires to be renewed ... I'm thinking I would prefer a, what remains of , British passport ... Would we have historical dual nationality... I really can't face the thought of the shower of arses winning on Thursday !!!" I had heard that the UK Gov will allow current UK passports held by Scots to expire naturally & then those people would then become Scottish Citizens. Not sure how that would work TBH because those people would have been born in the UK (as was) and would have a very good case to remain a UK Citizen should they wish to try it in court. | |||
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"If, Scotland. vote "yes" in their independence referendum? people without passports. Will they need 1 to travel to, Scotland.? Stop being silly" I don't think it's a silly question and it's a totally unknown. You need passports to travel to the Republic of Ireland, so why wouldn't yiu need not to travel to an Independent Scotland? | |||
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"If, Scotland. vote "yes" in their independence referendum? people without passports. Will they need 1 to travel to, Scotland.? Stop being silly I don't think it's a silly question and it's a totally unknown. You need passports to travel to the Republic of Ireland, so why wouldn't yiu need not to travel to an Independent Scotland?" actually if you hold a GB passport you don't need a passport for ROI but you do need photo ID. would depend on the agreement between the 2 countries ~ if we're going down the route of being known as United Kingdom, ROI & Scotland. | |||
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" OK let's get it right. At the moment Scotland is part of the UK so, although it has some devolved power, it is the same country as England, Wales, and Northern Ireland, so there are no border controls because legally there is no border, just a notional line. Should Scotland vote yes then the whole situation changes. In the short term there will be very little (if any) difference. There is no likelihood of Checkpoint Charlie being set up at Gretna on Friday morning. In the long term it is a lot more complicated and will hinge on Scotland's membership (or not) of the EU. As the rules stand all new applicant country's (which Scotland will be) have to sign the Schengen agreement which means it cannot have border controls between itself and other Schengen country's (which is most of the EU) The UK didn't sign up to Schengen and that is why there are still border controls between it and all other EU country's. So the UK will have to have a border between an independent, EU member and Schengen signatory, Scotland. Not do so will leave the rest of the UK open to the whole Schengen zone, and you only have to take a look at Calais at the moment to get an idea of the consequences. Bottom line is that eventually border posts will be erected and everyone will need some form of photo ID to cross. Either that or Scotland doesn't join the EU and hangs on to UK style border controls. There isn't a third option." Scotland is one of four countries that make up a United Kingdom - it is separate with its own law, its own education system and its own parliament. Therein lies the reason why so many Scots want to leave the UK and make it on their own. England is a country, Scotland is a country, Wales is a country, Northern ireland is a country and these four countries make up the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which is a confederation of four countries, each with different needs and desires. | |||
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" OK let's get it right. At the moment Scotland is part of the UK so, although it has some devolved power, it is the same country as England, Wales, and Northern Ireland, so there are no border controls because legally there is no border, just a notional line. Should Scotland vote yes then the whole situation changes. In the short term there will be very little (if any) difference. There is no likelihood of Checkpoint Charlie being set up at Gretna on Friday morning. In the long term it is a lot more complicated and will hinge on Scotland's membership (or not) of the EU. As the rules stand all new applicant country's (which Scotland will be) have to sign the Schengen agreement which means it cannot have border controls between itself and other Schengen country's (which is most of the EU) The UK didn't sign up to Schengen and that is why there are still border controls between it and all other EU country's. So the UK will have to have a border between an independent, EU member and Schengen signatory, Scotland. Not do so will leave the rest of the UK open to the whole Schengen zone, and you only have to take a look at Calais at the moment to get an idea of the consequences. Bottom line is that eventually border posts will be erected and everyone will need some form of photo ID to cross. Either that or Scotland doesn't join the EU and hangs on to UK style border controls. There isn't a third option.Scotland is one of four countries that make up a United Kingdom - it is separate with its own law, its own education system and its own parliament. Therein lies the reason why so many Scots want to leave the UK and make it on their own. England is a country, Scotland is a country, Wales is a country, Northern ireland is a country and these four countries make up the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which is a confederation of four countries, each with different needs and desires. " In some ways you are right, however you miss a few important points. When it comes to border control and passports (the original subject of this thread) The UK is one country. That is why we all have a British passport. I don't know anyone with an English or Scottish one. The Scottish parliament is only the equivalent of a regional assembly with an amount of devolved power. That is why Scotland still sends MP's to Westminster. The same can be said for Catalonia, Pais Vasco, Valencia, and other regions in Spain. They set their own laws in certain areas and have the right to raise some taxes independently of Madrid, but they are still legally part of Spain and their EU membership is as part of Spain. England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are not EU members in their own right. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is the only entity that is a member of the EU. Should Scotland vote for full independence (which it is fully entitled to do) then it will have to apply as a new member. There is no precedent in the history of the EU so a hell of a lot of questions will need to be answered, but Brussels has made it very clear that the existing rules (most importantly Schengen and the timetable for joining the Euro) will not be changed to accomodate Scotland. Therefore what I stated in my earlier post (with the small addition from Onny) is a pretty accurate forecast of what will happen to borders after an independent Scotland joins the EU. | |||
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"I still think we should build a wall around Scotland,If they vote yes,simply because when they go bankrupt they cant escape to England like most of them do when they marry a English woman/man...." What about us who are voting NO can we come live down south before poor scotland fails if they NATS get their way?? | |||
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