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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Omg how can ppl be so horrid

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Some sick f@@@ers out there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So so sad, horrible to think that the devastation was deliberate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So sad, some evil shit around

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

how do they know already that it was arson? i thought they had to wait for the scene to be safe before they go in and do the fire investigation etc?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Such a sad thing, those poor dogs who died in the fire! A young man has been arrested on the suspicion of arson!

Why on earth would anyone want to set light to a dogs home ?

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By *ittykate84Woman
over a year ago

CHESTER

I heard they threw in fireworks

poor doggies!

Have to say the guy and his son who went in and rescued the others have the best hearts going, little space in heaven opened for them

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

14 yo boy omg

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

im so angry - i have friends who have dogs they got from there -

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Its about half a mile away from me, have been smelling the fire all night and wondering what it was.

The dogs home is covered by CCTV guess that the scrote that set the fire was caught on the system and hope the courts will crucify the little shit.

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By *all-Eddies QosCouple
over a year ago

wirral

As usual the courts will do fuck all

14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out

His parents must be proud

I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hope he has nightmares for the rest of his days - pure evil is that -

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As usual the courts will do fuck all

14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out

His parents must be proud

I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him"

Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him.

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By *parkle1974Woman
over a year ago

Leeds

If I'd lived closer I would foster a couple until they got sorted, so sad.

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By *all-Eddies QosCouple
over a year ago

wirral

"As usual the courts will do fuck all

14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out

His parents must be proud

I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him

Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him. "

Difference is....saying and doing are entirely different.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"As usual the courts will do fuck all

14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out

His parents must be proud

I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him

Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him. "

But if he goes inside he wont live any way think like for every dog its a child hes killed living things

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If I'd lived closer I would foster a couple until they got sorted, so sad.

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i know what u mean

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If I'd lived closer I would foster a couple until they got sorted, so sad.

i know what u mean "

saying they are inundated with offers for this - lots of kind folk around =

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By *hole Lotta RosieWoman
over a year ago

Deviant City

So glad there has been an overwhelming response of help and donations. RIP to the furbabies that lost their lives

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

not seen the news today so this is the first i new about it my whole body felt numb as i was reading then a sick feeling in my belly i am from manchester had 2 dogs from there my self in the past the thought of those poor dogs trapped is sickening in fact i am struggling to put into words how its made me feel

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Over 100k raised already on justgiving.... some people prize animals more than people!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Over 100k raised already on justgiving.... some people prize animals more than people!

That's because dogs don't go round burning homes down

Seriously though what's wrong with people helping out? Why do you feel the need to roll your eyes at others kindness?

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By *hole Lotta RosieWoman
over a year ago

Deviant City

"Over 100k raised already on justgiving.... some people prize animals more than people!

That's because dogs don't go round burning homes down

Seriously though what's wrong with people helping out? Why do you feel the need to roll your eyes at others kindness?"

I donate to the poppy appeal and children in need yearly and the RSPCA. Have donated to Manchester dogs home tonight, Animals are just as worthy as humans. Its the act of a selfish and cruel human that has got the poor dogs in this state......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Over 100k raised already on justgiving.... some people prize animals more than people!

That's because dogs don't go round burning homes down

Seriously though what's wrong with people helping out? Why do you feel the need to roll your eyes at others kindness?

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By *ickeyn minnieCouple
over a year ago

stockport

I would love to meet this little walker

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Over 100k raised already on justgiving.... some people prize animals more than people!

That's because dogs don't go round burning homes down

Seriously though what's wrong with people helping out? Why do you feel the need to roll your eyes at others kindness?

I agree, I do a lot of found raising for the PDSA, not because I value animals over humans (though I do value all life as equal) but because they helped me out years ago when I was at uni and skint, its my way of saying thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So so sad. No words describe adequatelu describe the person that did this. Personally I'd rather focus on the goodness and heroics of the members of the public (and of course the firefighters) that went in and risked their lives to save some of the animals - amazing people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

His parents must be proud

As the police have already (and unusually) appealed for the public 'not to take matters in to their own hands' I suspect his family are already in hiding.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So sad. Makes me feel physically sick. I got a beautiful doberman from there.. So many ppl are fooked up in today's society.

People talk about how the world needs to make changes. Well it's not the world that needs to change but the ppl in!?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's truly sickening. Also I sometimes prefer animals to humans tbh. (In a non secular way before someone stupidly comments otherwise)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"how do they know already that it was arson? i thought they had to wait for the scene to be safe before they go in and do the fire investigation etc?"

The news this morning said 'suspected arson' but they have already arrested a 14 yr old boy for it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I havent seen the news but I have had two rescue cats and this is just sick., He is pure evil and I hope the authorities do the right thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So so sad. No words describe adequatelu describe the person that did this. Personally I'd rather focus on the goodness and heroics of the members of the public (and of course the firefighters) that went in and risked their lives to save some of the animals - amazing people. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sad. Probably a misguided youth that society left behind too. See it often these days, people react at the story but rarely consider the background.

Either way, they get my money today, worth a donation - if I was in a better position house wise I'd take a dog or two, great to see such positive help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Such a sad thing, those poor dogs who died in the fire! A young man has been arrested on the suspicion of arson!

Why on earth would anyone want to set light to a dogs home ? "

Because there are some evil people in this world, I read about someone on facebook setting fire to a kitten.

It was in the mirror because people were complaining about facebook for not removing the video even though people had complained about it and still are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Over 100k raised already on justgiving.... some people prize animals more than people!

I for one think that's amazing amount in such a short period of time. Lets hope the generosity of others helps the dogs & staff of the home recover.

and if you're that concerned there were people involved ~ the ones that are probably left traumatised seeing the dogs they've rescued & cared for die in such a horrible way.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Such a sad thing, those poor dogs who died in the fire! A young man has been arrested on the suspicion of arson!

Why on earth would anyone want to set light to a dogs home ?

Because there are some evil people in this world, I read about someone on facebook setting fire to a kitten.

It was in the mirror because people were complaining about facebook for not removing the video even though people had complained about it and still are."

I reported an image of a man being burned alive and they said it didn't contravene their rules!!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I would love to meet this little walker "

Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would love to meet this little walker

Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!

Any adult who believes violence is acceptable retribution, particularly against a child is as much a part of society's problems as this kid.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"As usual the courts will do fuck all

14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out

His parents must be proud

I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him"

As much as this is a very good idea, also, if he survives deny him plastic surgery. He will get away with it, more than likely he will be bragging about it as well.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"I would love to meet this little walker

Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!

There was a much worse comment further up.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"I would love to meet this little walker

Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!

Any adult who believes violence is acceptable retribution, particularly against a child is as much a part of society's problems as this kid.

Even though you are right, it is a natural reaction to an incident of this scale. To think for a laugh some sick minded individual set fire to a dogs home, where the animals have had a rough time to start with have been burned alive with no chance of escaping. Also knowing the shit will get an asbo and not much else tends to piss people off.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"I would love to meet this little walker

Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!

Any adult who believes violence is acceptable retribution, particularly against a child is as much a part of society's problems as this kid.

The poster didn't say what he would do to the person if he met him though.

There was a much worse comment further up that wasn't commented on though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I lost my own dog this week and have only just stopped crying for her. Then I read this news and cried for the poor dogs and the bravery and compassion shown by people.

One twisted soul caused the fire but so many souls have helped without question.

I wish I lived closer, I'd rehome a dog.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He knew what he was doing the little shit if it was my son I would not be responsible for my actions the twisted child

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Seriously... engage brain before engaging a keyboard!

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

What an evil fucker...

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"As usual the courts will do fuck all

14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out

His parents must be proud

I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him"

Oh the irony!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"As usual the courts will do fuck all

14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out

His parents must be proud

I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him

Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him. "

Exactly!

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"I would love to meet this little walker

Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!

A 14 year old is NOT a child! A 14 year old is a teenager and most are sexually mature and capable of producing children!

Maybe if we all started treating out of control teenagers as what they are young men and women not quite adults but NOT children then maybe we would not have so many 20 odd year old adults claiming that 'I didn't mean to kill them' when in childish d*unken temper tantrums they lash out and kill or steal cars and don't have the the self control to pull over when caught but go on rampages smashing anything that gets in their way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As usual the courts will do fuck all

14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out

His parents must be proud

I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him

Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him. "

really?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would love to meet this little walker

Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!

Any adult who believes violence is acceptable retribution, particularly against a child is as much a part of society's problems as this kid.

The poster didn't say what he would do to the person if he met him though.

There was a much worse comment further up that wasn't commented on though."

I was following on from that post but a few posts on this threaf sicken me, particularly the one suggesting the perpetrator should be burnt alive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would love to meet this little walker

Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!

Any adult who believes violence is acceptable retribution, particularly against a child is as much a part of society's problems as this kid.

It might be natural for you to think violent retribution is the obvious reaction but not for mamy people. And certainly isn't for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As usual the courts will do fuck all

14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out

His parents must be proud

I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him

Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him.

really? "

Most definitely

Where do children learn their behaviour from?

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By *u-cee smurfetteWoman
over a year ago

aberdeen

So fecking sad and a 15yr old bn arrested for arson

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"As usual the courts will do fuck all

14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out

His parents must be proud

I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him"
Any credible argument you had went out of the window when you typed that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would love to meet this little walker

Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!

A 14 year old is NOT a child! A 14 year old is a teenager and most are sexually mature and capable of producing children!

I beg to differ a 14 year old is a child and can be extremely immature at that age.

They need guidance, support and firm but fair parenting.

No one knows why this young person chose to do what he did, he needs to be accountable for his actions but also helped as there is obviously something very wrong somewhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw a bit of this on the news before work. Poor animals and the people who work there. Nothing else I can say really

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"I would love to meet this little walker

Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!

A 14 year old is NOT a child! A 14 year old is a teenager and most are sexually mature and capable of producing children!

If you think a 14 year old isn't a child there's something seriously wrong with you!

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"I would love to meet this little walker

Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!

A 14 year old is NOT a child! A 14 year old is a teenager and most are sexually mature and capable of producing children!

If you think a 14 year old isn't a child there's something seriously wrong with you! "

I have to agree you are still a child at 14...

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"I would love to meet this little walker

Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!

A 14 year old is NOT a child! A 14 year old is a teenager and most are sexually mature and capable of producing children!

I beg to differ a 14 year old is a child and can be extremely immature at that age.

They need guidance, support and firm but fair parenting.

No one knows why this young person chose to do what he did, he needs to be accountable for his actions but also helped as there is obviously something very wrong somewhere."

He does need to be held accountable and I agree support needs to be given...he is young enough if support is given to change his behaviour...The Lad needs help not to be burnt alive as other's suggest..I still stand by what I said that it was an evil thing to do.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

A 14 year old is a minor.

Until you are 18 years old, you are classed as a minor.

I get the love of animals. I understand that sometimes they're more important to us than other humans. I do not understand the mentality that suggests we harm a child (minor - see above) for wrongdoing of any sort. That is not the answer. Whist I believe wrongdoing should be punished, to suggest violence does not show anyone in a good light. What is our world coming to when the suggestion that a child is set alight in a skip?

Have a word with yourself. Seriously.

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By *rsIdiotWoman
over a year ago

Bedworth

In my opinion the child responsible need some serious psychiatric help. It is proven that many murderers started off with harming animals.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"As usual the courts will do fuck all

14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out

His parents must be proud

I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him

Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him.

Difference is....saying and doing are entirely different.

the fact that you thought it is worrying enough..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As usual the courts will do fuck all

14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out

His parents must be proud

I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him

Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him.

really?

Most definitely

Where do children learn their behaviour from?"

Lol sorry CW...misuse of the reply/quote button,,was directed at the skip comment tbh..agree with you about where kids learn their behaviour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think that in cases like this, the parent/parents should share culpability and be charged with neglecting to bring their child up properly and be given a custodial sentence.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

shocking, those poor animals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok, a 14 year old is a child. Plain and simple. Whose they *should* have a greater understanding of consequences than a 10 year old, it is still less than a 18 or even 16 year old. Someone posted that the child allegedly threw fireworks into the home. As horrible as that is, i severely doubt that his intent was arson. He more than. Likely intended to scare the dogs. Should he have KNOWN that fireworks can cause a fire? Arguable because, as a few mentioned above, children learn from adults and how many adults start fires or cause serious injury or death or destruction of property with fireworks every year. Am i excusing his behavior? Categorically not, however let's get some perspective here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Over 100k raised already on justgiving.... some people prize animals more than people!

I for one think that's amazing amount in such a short period of time. Lets hope the generosity of others helps the dogs & staff of the home recover.

and if you're that concerned there were people involved ~ the ones that are probably left traumatised seeing the dogs they've rescued & cared for die in such a horrible way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think emotions are running high

Maybe best to remember that what people say when they are shocked and upset and what they would actually do isn't the same

I doubt anyone on here would really harm or kill the lad of they really met him, anger just makes just react verbally in such a way

He's a little twat no doubt about that, but kicking the crap out of him wont change anything, he need rehabilitating so as not to do it again, because we all know he will walk free

On the flip side its really heart warming how members of the public have rallied round to help, provide food, bedding and tempory shelter for dogs

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Unbelievable this. I hope they are caught fast, put through a kangaroo court, and given life, no parole.

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By *ifornowCouple
over a year ago

East Lincs

It is said that you shouldn't stereotype, but I am going to.

It's an almost certainty that this little shit is already known to the authorities and is probably from one of the so called 120,000, (as stated by the government), "problem families" within our society.

You just know that he probably didn't attend school yesterday and it is likely that he roams the streets until all hours, as part of a semi feral gang with likeminded peers.

He will be a local resident and be well aware of the purpose of the building, and that it contained animals within. The statistics show that young people who obtain pleasure from hurting animals, often grow up to inflict suffering on other humans, often resulting in murder.

His life is mapped out.

No doubt, he will not be named for legal reason and will now be molly cuddled by the so called leftie do gooders at great public expense who all say "poor child".

Glad I got that off my chest beacause it makes me so angry !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is said that you shouldn't stereotype, but I am going to.

You just know that he probably didn't attend school yesterday and it is likely that he roams the streets until all hours, as part of a semi feral gang with likeminded peers.

His life is mapped out.

No doubt, he will not be named for legal reason and will now be molly cuddled by the so called leftie do gooders at great public expense who all say "poor child".

Glad I got that off my chest beacause it makes me so angry !!"

Yes you are right you shouldn't stereotype.

Probably a good idea to avoid sweeping generalisations and assumptions too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is said that you shouldn't stereotype, but I am going to.

You just know that he probably didn't attend school yesterday and it is likely that he roams the streets until all hours, as part of a semi feral gang with likeminded peers.

His life is mapped out.

No doubt, he will not be named for legal reason and will now be molly cuddled by the so called leftie do gooders at great public expense who all say "poor child".

Glad I got that off my chest beacause it makes me so angry !!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is said that you shouldn't stereotype, but I am going to.

You just know that he probably didn't attend school yesterday and it is likely that he roams the streets until all hours, as part of a semi feral gang with likeminded peers.

His life is mapped out.

No doubt, he will not be named for legal reason and will now be molly cuddled by the so called leftie do gooders at great public expense who all say "poor child".

Glad I got that off my chest beacause it makes me so angry !!"

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

In answer to a number of posts:

Firstly although a minor a 14 year old is over the age of legal responsibility and can be tried as an adult for some offences. And although the definition of a child is a minor under the age of legal majority, when we talk about children we have to differentiate between those who really are still learning how to interact socially and teenagers. We cant have a magic line one side of which your a child the other your an adult.

Secondly, I have not heard how the fire was started but I will point out that I live close to the dogs home. The kennels are all roofed and very secure, I cannot see how anyone outside the dogs home could set a fire (even with a firework) without breaking in first.

Thirdly, even if the fire was started with a firework, it is an offence for a 14 YO to be in possession of fireworks and to obtain fireworks or another form of ignition and to go to the dogs home and set a fire or use fireworks shows premeditation and as a minimum and intent to cause fear.

I find it incredible how many people are lining up to protect poor little whoever and attack those who think the arsonist should be looking at a minimum of a very long term of imprisonment.

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"In answer to a number of posts:

I find it incredible how many people are lining up to protect poor little whoever and attack those who think the arsonist should be looking at a minimum of a very long term of imprisonment."

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"In answer to a number of posts:

I find it incredible how many people are lining up to protect poor little whoever and attack those who think the arsonist should be looking at a minimum of a very long term of imprisonment."

Has anybody said the perpetrator shouldn't face justice? I think what I and many others object to is tjose that are suggesting vengeance is a better option. I hope he goes to prison and I hope he gets the help he needs. But to clarify I don't want to see him set alight, thrown in a skip and denied medical treatment as someone else has suggested.

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"It is said that you shouldn't stereotype, but I am going to.

You just know that he probably didn't attend school yesterday and it is likely that he roams the streets until all hours, as part of a semi feral gang with likeminded peers.

His life is mapped out.

No doubt, he will not be named for legal reason and will now be molly cuddled by the so called leftie do gooders at great public expense who all say "poor child".

Glad I got that off my chest beacause it makes me so angry !!

And it is just as possible that this is a 14 year old with severe learning disabilities and tthe developmental level of a 5 year old that truly didn't realise the consequences of his actions. Your post is full of knee jerk emotive bile based on presumptions which are as likely to be completely false as they are to be grounded in truth. Perhaps abate your anger until you know the facts of the case before becoming judge and juror with no idea as to what truly happened. "
. Got to love the oh he might have learning disability excuse!!! Even if he did have or does have learning disability etc he should know at 14 between right and wrong if his parents have the morals to do that assuming!. It sickens me, no excuse at all for a child to do this to animals. I do tend to agree with a previous poster and feel this is another child brought up with bad parenting skills. Maybe once the court system has done nothing to punish him he should be made to work for free at the dog home, let him see the devastation he caused! See the animals he hurt some of which I read have burnt fur etc. No excuse can be made for this kid he is purely a nasty little twat that needs punishing.

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By *himanMan
over a year ago

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Some amazing acts of heroism trying to save the dogs

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over a year ago

"In answer to a number of posts:

I find it incredible how many people are lining up to protect poor little whoever and attack those who think the arsonist should be looking at a minimum of a very long term of imprisonment.

I feel the same, crystal.

Frankly, yes, *some* children are tried as Adults for *some* crimes at the age of 14, though in fact it's quite rare at that age and far more likely at the age of 16. But notice that not *all* 14 year olds are tried as Adults, even when cps is able to? That's because they have to take into account the maturity and ability to understand the full consequences of their actions to a certain degree. Because, as was stated, there's no line where all kids of a certain age understand things to the same degree, either. They also have to take into account mitigating circumstances such as any learning disabilities like asperger's or autism which would impact upon ability to understand the consequences of their actions, as well as genuine mental illness which impacts, again, on ability to understand the consequences of actions. Oh, and most of British law happens to be based upon the intent of the alleged offender. If arson relies upon that intent question, then they have took also established whether a fire was the intended purpose to his actions and if it wasn't they must tailor the charges accordingly. This alleged offender deserves justice to be served as much as the victims, and the crowd mentality of batting for his blood without thought to genuine facts is an archaic and draconian mentality best left in the dark ages.

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"It is said that you shouldn't stereotype, but I am going to.

You just know that he probably didn't attend school yesterday and it is likely that he roams the streets until all hours, as part of a semi feral gang with likeminded peers.

His life is mapped out.

No doubt, he will not be named for legal reason and will now be molly cuddled by the so called leftie do gooders at great public expense who all say "poor child".

Glad I got that off my chest beacause it makes me so angry !!

And it is just as possible that this is a 14 year old with severe learning disabilities and tthe developmental level of a 5 year old that truly didn't realise the consequences of his actions. Your post is full of knee jerk emotive bile based on presumptions which are as likely to be completely false as they are to be grounded in truth. Perhaps abate your anger until you know the facts of the case before becoming judge and juror with no idea as to what truly happened. . Got to love the oh he might have learning disability excuse!!! Even if he did have or does have learning disability etc he should know at 14 between right and wrong if his parents have the morals to do that assuming!. It sickens me, no excuse at all for a child to do this to animals. I do tend to agree with a previous poster and feel this is another child brought up with bad parenting skills. Maybe once the court system has done nothing to punish him he should be made to work for free at the dog home, let him see the devastation he caused! See the animals he hurt some of which I read have burnt fur etc. No excuse can be made for this kid he is purely a nasty little twat that needs punishing. "

I see only someone with absolutely no knowledge of or experience with those with severe learning disabilities, nor respect for the challenges they present to everyone involved, nor compassion for anyone who may genuinely suffer from them.

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over a year ago

The sad thing is if he does end up in court his sentence will be lighter as it's animals he's killed not humans

As for his age i was attacked in an armed robbery 9 yrs ago by a 19 yrd he got away with a child's sentence as he wasn't classed as an adult being under 21

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Just goes to show what fucked up children and people we have in this world !!!

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"Just goes to show what fucked up children and people we have in this world !!!

Fucked up indeed.

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Wonder if the PC brigade will come on here and blame the authorities and not the kid.........Seems the norm these days!

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

We have tried him and found him guilty well before the professionals such as police, CPS, prosecution has....Let's wait and see what evidence and other information is brought forward before hanging at the gallows

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"Wonder if the PC brigade will come on here and blame the authorities and not the kid.........Seems the norm these days!"

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

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why would people wait, on line persona's have been solving some of the greatest mysteries, resolved missing children cases & sorted some of the most complex crimes.

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over a year ago

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"why would people wait, on line persona's have been solving some of the greatest mysteries, resolved missing children cases & sorted some of the most complex crimes.

Very true _iew

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Very sad

The World is totaly crazy

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"Very sad

The World is totaly crazy

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"why would people wait, on line persona's have been solving some of the greatest mysteries, resolved missing children cases & sorted some of the most complex crimes.

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over a year ago

"We have tried him and found him guilty well before the professionals such as police, CPS, prosecution has....Let's wait and see what evidence and other information is brought forward before hanging at the gallows "

Noooo Cheeky !!! Lets just hang him ! No trial or fuck all !!

Thats what the little bastard deserves even if hes innocent !

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over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Noooo Cheeky !!! Lets just hang him ! No trial or fuck all !!

Thats what the little bastard deserves even if hes innocent !"

Righty ho...now that my dear is your opinion and if you feel like that then carry on...I shall stick to my own beliefs and opinions

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over a year ago

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Noooo Cheeky !!! Lets just hang him ! No trial or fuck all !!

Thats what the little bastard deserves even if hes innocent !"

Why would you want to hang an innocent person anyway? I'd think you would be pissed off if someone said to you right you aww innocent but you know what we will still hang you today...

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"It is said that you shouldn't stereotype, but I am going to.

You just know that he probably didn't attend school yesterday and it is likely that he roams the streets until all hours, as part of a semi feral gang with likeminded peers.

His life is mapped out.

No doubt, he will not be named for legal reason and will now be molly cuddled by the so called leftie do gooders at great public expense who all say "poor child".

Glad I got that off my chest beacause it makes me so angry !!

And it is just as possible that this is a 14 year old with severe learning disabilities and tthe developmental level of a 5 year old that truly didn't realise the consequences of his actions. Your post is full of knee jerk emotive bile based on presumptions which are as likely to be completely false as they are to be grounded in truth. Perhaps abate your anger until you know the facts of the case before becoming judge and juror with no idea as to what truly happened. . Got to love the oh he might have learning disability excuse!!! Even if he did have or does have learning disability etc he should know at 14 between right and wrong if his parents have the morals to do that assuming!. It sickens me, no excuse at all for a child to do this to animals. I do tend to agree with a previous poster and feel this is another child brought up with bad parenting skills. Maybe once the court system has done nothing to punish him he should be made to work for free at the dog home, let him see the devastation he caused! See the animals he hurt some of which I read have burnt fur etc. No excuse can be made for this kid he is purely a nasty little twat that needs punishing.

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you assume there then don't you!!! Clearly commenting without knowing much about me. You also know nothing about the child your saying he could have this which is why he behaved in such a way and using it as an excuse. Fact is MANY children with learning difficulties live in society as law abiding citizens and learn to live alone in adult life also. It is majorly factored on how they are treated growing up in families and how they are taught to be decent human beings. So let's not say he has these sorts of issues until the facts are there. Either way he did something very wrong and should be punished for it.

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"It is said that you shouldn't stereotype, but I am going to.

You just know that he probably didn't attend school yesterday and it is likely that he roams the streets until all hours, as part of a semi feral gang with likeminded peers.

His life is mapped out.

No doubt, he will not be named for legal reason and will now be molly cuddled by the so called leftie do gooders at great public expense who all say "poor child".

Glad I got that off my chest beacause it makes me so angry !!

And it is just as possible that this is a 14 year old with severe learning disabilities and tthe developmental level of a 5 year old that truly didn't realise the consequences of his actions. Your post is full of knee jerk emotive bile based on presumptions which are as likely to be completely false as they are to be grounded in truth. Perhaps abate your anger until you know the facts of the case before becoming judge and juror with no idea as to what truly happened. . Got to love the oh he might have learning disability excuse!!! Even if he did have or does have learning disability etc he should know at 14 between right and wrong if his parents have the morals to do that assuming!. It sickens me, no excuse at all for a child to do this to animals. I do tend to agree with a previous poster and feel this is another child brought up with bad parenting skills. Maybe once the court system has done nothing to punish him he should be made to work for free at the dog home, let him see the devastation he caused! See the animals he hurt some of which I read have burnt fur etc. No excuse can be made for this kid he is purely a nasty little twat that needs punishing.

you assume there then don't you!!! Clearly commenting without knowing much about me. You also know nothing about the child your saying he could have this which is why he behaved in such a way and using it as an excuse. Fact is MANY children with learning difficulties live in society as law abiding citizens and learn to live alone in adult life also. It is majorly factored on how they are treated growing up in families and how they are taught to be decent human beings. So let's not say he has these sorts of issues until the facts are there. Either way he did something very wrong and should be punished for it. "

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"It is said that you shouldn't stereotype, but I am going to.

You just know that he probably didn't attend school yesterday and it is likely that he roams the streets until all hours, as part of a semi feral gang with likeminded peers.

His life is mapped out.

No doubt, he will not be named for legal reason and will now be molly cuddled by the so called leftie do gooders at great public expense who all say "poor child".

Glad I got that off my chest beacause it makes me so angry !!

And it is just as possible that this is a 14 year old with severe learning disabilities and tthe developmental level of a 5 year old that truly didn't realise the consequences of his actions. Your post is full of knee jerk emotive bile based on presumptions which are as likely to be completely false as they are to be grounded in truth. Perhaps abate your anger until you know the facts of the case before becoming judge and juror with no idea as to what truly happened. . Got to love the oh he might have learning disability excuse!!! Even if he did have or does have learning disability etc he should know at 14 between right and wrong if his parents have the morals to do that assuming!. It sickens me, no excuse at all for a child to do this to animals. I do tend to agree with a previous poster and feel this is another child brought up with bad parenting skills. Maybe once the court system has done nothing to punish him he should be made to work for free at the dog home, let him see the devastation he caused! See the animals he hurt some of which I read have burnt fur etc. No excuse can be made for this kid he is purely a nasty little twat that needs punishing.

Actually, i assumed nothing. I made an informed decision based on the evidence presented within your post. Fact is, yes many people with disabilities do function well within society. It's also a fact that others are unable to understand fully the laws and rules of society. Its also a fact that in my above posts i too stated that when the facts are known then this child should be judged accordingly. I categorically disagree with the 'witch hunt' which has appeared on this thread, though.

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over a year ago

O o O oo

Has it been reported that the lad has learning disabilities?

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over a year ago

Whether it's dogs or not, it's still lives that have been lost.

The kid should get life and not just a slap on the wrist.

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over a year ago

We are all not police so try not to act like it

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over a year ago

"Whether it's dogs or not, it's still lives that have been lost.

The kid should get life and not just a slap on the wrist."

I believe he should get a custodial sentence, not only did he put the animals at risk but he also put the lives of the kennel workers, passes by who tried to help and the fire service at risk as well as wasting their time and money going out to a needless fire

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over a year ago

Has it been reported that the lad has learning disabilities?"

There are hundreds of kids who have learning disabilities who would never dream of doing such a thing, seems now days ever kid who steps out of line has some kid of problem, some kids are just bad behaved through choice

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over a year ago

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Has it been reported that the lad has learning disabilities?

Exactly. It seems to be a lot of presuming the child has a problem rather than him just being a problem child.

No one knows yet why / how or what happened but sometimes when something bad happens there are people about who use excuses for it.

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Has it been reported that the lad has learning disabilities?

Exactly. It seems to be a lot of presuming the child has a problem rather than him just being a problem child.

No one knows yet why / how or what happened but sometimes when something bad happens there are people about who use excuses for it."

To be honest I very much doubt he had learning disabilities, I refuse to believe anyone who had a child with a learning ability that low he does not realise burning down a building is a bad thing would let their child out alone, what next he takes a knife out and stabs someone? Surely you would have such a lad supervised?

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Exactly

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"Over 100k raised already on justgiving.... some people prize animals more than people!

And some people deserve their place at the bottom of the pecking order.... please feel free to donate YOUR money to the bottom feeders.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

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we do rally round in a crisis and they need all the help they can get shame we have so many ill treated aand abandoned dogs in the first place

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over a year ago

Heard it could j7st of been 1 kid teenager

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over a year ago

"Over 100k raised already on justgiving.... some people prize animals more than people!

mmm, I wonder why that is.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

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"Whether it's dogs or not, it's still lives that have been lost.

The kid should get life and not just a slap on the wrist."

Get real!! Life?!?!!!! This place really makes me laugh sometimes!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

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"I would love to meet this little walker

Oh please do tell us what you, a grown person, an adult,would do to a 14 year old child?!

A 14 year old is NOT a child! A 14 year old is a teenager and most are sexually mature and capable of producing children!

What has their sexual maturity for to do with this thread?? Rather odd comment!

So you condone acts of violence against school age young people (avoided the.use of the word child there for ya!).

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"Over 100k raised already on justgiving.... some people prize animals more than people!

And some people deserve their place at the bottom of the pecking order.... please feel free to donate YOUR money to the bottom feeders."

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over a year ago

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Donations are just shy of £1 million in less than 24 hours.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

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Fact the 14 year old is 15.

Fact the youth is a local.

Fact the police are treating the fire as arson.

Fact the family and youth were already know to the police.

Fact the police are in the area asking the locals not to take the law into their own hands.

Now I have a couple of questions to all those who have been rushing to make excuses and come up with reasons why this 15 yo should be treated as a victim rather than a criminal:

Why the rush to defend the indefensible? and would you be so quick to look for excuses if you, yours or your community were the victims rather than outsiders sitting miles away in front of a computer?

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

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The fund for the Manchester dogs home has now passed the million mark now those still wishing to help or contribute could you possibly please consider now making the donation to your local animal shelter as there resources are being stretched helping re-house the dogs from the fire xxx

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"Fact the 14 year old is 15.

Fact the youth is a local.

Fact the police are treating the fire as arson.

Fact the family and youth were already know to the police.

Fact the police are in the area asking the locals not to take the law into their own hands.

Now I have a couple of questions to all those who have been rushing to make excuses and come up with reasons why this 15 yo should be treated as a victim rather than a criminal:

Feel sorry for that little scroat?I would like to douse the little cunt in petrol,strike a match and listen to him squeal.He deserves no less!!

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"Fact the 14 year old is 15.

Fact the youth is a local.

Fact the police are treating the fire as arson.

Fact the family and youth were already know to the police.

Fact the police are in the area asking the locals not to take the law into their own hands.

Now I have a couple of questions to all those who have been rushing to make excuses and come up with reasons why this 15 yo should be treated as a victim rather than a criminal:

Who has been making excuses for him? Are these the same people you claim are saying he shouldn't face justice?

Because you've said people are doing both but I can;t see any posts to that effect.

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"Fact the 14 year old is 15.

Fact the youth is a local.

Fact the police are treating the fire as arson.

Fact the family and youth were already know to the police.

Fact the police are in the area asking the locals not to take the law into their own hands.

Now I have a couple of questions to all those who have been rushing to make excuses and come up with reasons why this 15 yo should be treated as a victim rather than a criminal:

Feel sorry for that little scroat?I would like to douse the little cunt in petrol,strike a match and listen to him squeal.He deserves no less!!"

As I said about a similar post before , this makes you as bad if not worse than him.

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over a year ago

"Feel sorry for that little scroat?I would like to douse the little cunt in petrol,strike a match and listen to him squeal.He deserves no less!!"

Forgive me for picking your post as there are many others that deserve this response but what disgusts me more than anything on the thread, is that so many who seem to think that vigilante justice (or even talk of it) is somehow appropriate are in the main people who have expressed no sadness at what happened.

And that to me speaks volumes.

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"Feel sorry for that little scroat?I would like to douse the little cunt in petrol,strike a match and listen to him squeal.He deserves no less!!

And that to me speaks volumes.

As someone who has rescued many dogs over the years and who wholeheartedly supports Dog Charities I am extremely angry and upset that this little scroat did such a wicked thing so please take your sanctimonious comments and stick em where the sun don't shine!

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over a year ago

"Over 100k raised already on justgiving.... some people prize animals more than people!

After reading some of the comments in this thread is it such a surprise that some people feel more compassion towards animals than people?!

The boy in question needs to be punished (if found guilty) there is no doubt about that, but we've got people ready to set fire to him and others wanting to excuse his actions based on a behavioural problem we don't know he has! Just Wow... I'm not going say any more for fear of a ban or a lynch mob

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I think the stocks should be brought back for young offenders such as him. A few dozen rotten tomatoes and some dollops of dog shit thrown at him would hurt his pride and humiliate him in front of his peers. Much more effective then an asbo

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By *lwaysup4it69Couple
over a year ago

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"As usual the courts will do fuck all

14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out

His parents must be proud

I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him

Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him.

Difference is....saying and doing are entirely different.

Totally agree with you about burning the the little fucking shit. An eye for an eye etc

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"I think the stocks should be brought back for young offenders such as him. A few dozen rotten tomatoes and some dollops of dog shit thrown at him would hurt his pride and humiliate him in front of his peers. Much more effective then an asbo

Or said firework up his arse...

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"As usual the courts will do fuck all

14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out

His parents must be proud

I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him

Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him.

Difference is....saying and doing are entirely different.

Totally agree with you about burning the the little fucking shit. An eye for an eye etc"

OMG seriously!!!

burning a 14 year old ~ words fail me, they really do....

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By *uppy ConquerorMan
over a year ago

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over a year ago

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"Feel sorry for that little scroat?I would like to douse the little cunt in petrol,strike a match and listen to him squeal.He deserves no less!!

And that to me speaks volumes.

Well said

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By *lwaysup4it69Couple
over a year ago

Kirkby in Ashfield

"As usual the courts will do fuck all

14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out

His parents must be proud

I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him

Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him.

Difference is....saying and doing are entirely different.

Totally agree with you about burning the the little fucking shit. An eye for an eye etc

OMG seriously!!!

burning a 14 year old ~ words fail me, they really do....

What do u suggest then give the little cunt the queens award for bravery

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over a year ago

"Feel sorry for that little scroat?I would like to douse the little cunt in petrol,strike a match and listen to him squeal.He deserves no less!!

And that to me speaks volumes.

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over a year ago

"As usual the courts will do fuck all

14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out

His parents must be proud

I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him

Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him.

Difference is....saying and doing are entirely different.

Totally agree with you about burning the the little fucking shit. An eye for an eye etc"

An eye for an eye? Are you suggesting that we burn his pet dog alive?

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"As usual the courts will do fuck all

14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out

His parents must be proud

I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him

Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him.

Difference is....saying and doing are entirely different.

Totally agree with you about burning the the little fucking shit. An eye for an eye etc

OMG seriously!!!

burning a 14 year old ~ words fail me, they really do....

What do u suggest then give the little cunt the queens award for bravery"

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over a year ago

"As usual the courts will do fuck all

14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out

His parents must be proud

I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him

Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him.

Difference is....saying and doing are entirely different.

Totally agree with you about burning the the little fucking shit. An eye for an eye etc

OMG seriously!!!

burning a 14 year old ~ words fail me, they really do....

What do u suggest then give the little cunt the queens award for bravery"

I think most people would suggest letting the courts take the appropriate action. Despite all the comments that he will get off with a slapped wrist arson is always treated seriously. Probably a far more sensible response than suggesting burning him alive. But of course assuming that he will get a slapped wrist then serves as justification for some of the vile and disgusting suggestions on this thread.

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over a year ago

"As usual the courts will do fuck all

14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out

His parents must be proud

I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him

Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him.

Difference is....saying and doing are entirely different.

Totally agree with you about burning the the little fucking shit. An eye for an eye etc

OMG seriously!!!

burning a 14 year old ~ words fail me, they really do....

What do u suggest then give the little cunt the queens award for bravery"

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Fact the 14 year old is 15.

Fact the youth is a local.

Fact the police are treating the fire as arson.

Fact the family and youth were already know to the police.

Fact the police are in the area asking the locals not to take the law into their own hands.

Now I have a couple of questions to all those who have been rushing to make excuses and come up with reasons why this 15 yo should be treated as a victim rather than a criminal:

Who has been making excuses for him? Are these the same people you claim are saying he shouldn't face justice?

Because you've said people are doing both but I can;t see any posts to that effect.

Go back through the thread, and make a list...

Its a child, they need help, they need treatment not punishment, its the parents fault, they may only have meant to scare the dogs, they may not have know what they were doing, they may have Autism, they may have Aspergers syndrome, they may have a mental illness, they may be retarded...

Thats the list of excuses mentioned in this thread that I can remember off the top of my head, I am sure that there are one or two I have missed. also I have been directly accused of espousing physical violence against children. If you go back and read my posts you will find I have said I live about half a mile away from the dogs home, that it was a secure complex and that the youth that set the fire actions had to be premeditated and deliberate. At no time have I mentioned doing violence to the youth.

I will admit that I wonder if this would have happened if the youth had had its bottom slapped by a teacher every time it stepped out of line in school. However I fully understand that in this PC liberal 'you have to reach out to the disaffected' society we live in the odd murder of children by other older boys (the Bulger case) or the killing of a teacher or the beating to death of a man by d*unken youths (Warrington a few years ago) is a price that we are willing for others to pay for our liberal _iews.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fact the 14 year old is 15.

Fact the youth is a local.

Fact the police are treating the fire as arson.

Fact the family and youth were already know to the police.

Fact the police are in the area asking the locals not to take the law into their own hands.

Now I have a couple of questions to all those who have been rushing to make excuses and come up with reasons why this 15 yo should be treated as a victim rather than a criminal:

Who has been making excuses for him? Are these the same people you claim are saying he shouldn't face justice?

Because you've said people are doing both but I can;t see any posts to that effect.

Go back through the thread, and make a list...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As usual the courts will do fuck all

14 year olds get asbos or whatever they give out

His parents must be proud

I'm furious, really am.....what can you do to a kid though..... Fucking hell....id chuck him in a skip and torch him

Saying that makes you as bad if not worse than him.

Difference is....saying and doing are entirely different.

Totally agree with you about burning the the little fucking shit. An eye for an eye etc

OMG seriously!!!

burning a 14 year old ~ words fail me, they really do....

What do u suggest then give the little cunt the queens award for bravery"

no I'm not suggesting that at all ~ but If you're suggesting burning a 14 year old boy alive then you're more screwed up than he is.

and there's no need to use the word cunt, completely devalues your post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Over a million now donated to the home...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Over a million now donated to the home...

Fantastic news at least there are some decent people in this world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Over a million now donated to the home...

Fantastic news at least there are some decent people in this world."

Yes there are.I cant help thinking how terrified those dear dogs must have been.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fact the 14 year old is 15.

Fact the youth is a local.

Fact the police are treating the fire as arson.

Fact the family and youth were already know to the police.

Fact the police are in the area asking the locals not to take the law into their own hands.

Now I have a couple of questions to all those who have been rushing to make excuses and come up with reasons why this 15 yo should be treated as a victim rather than a criminal:

Who has been making excuses for him? Are these the same people you claim are saying he shouldn't face justice?

Because you've said people are doing both but I can;t see any posts to that effect.

Go back through the thread, and make a list...

I can't see that anyone has accused you of personally suggesting violence against the perpertrator.

I don't see that there is anything wrong with suggesting that he needs help as well as punishment.

I can't recall seeing the words aspergers, autism or retarded anywhere on the thread (though it's interesting that you choose those terms) and certainly not in the posts suggeting he may have mental health issues or learning difficulties. Nobody suggested that he had and those posts were only in response to sweeping assumptions about the perpertrator. It seems that the 'burn the cunt alive' posters are well within their rights to make assumption about the childs background and mindset but it's not ok to challenge them.

But the point is that anyone who thinks calling a 14 year old a cunt or even worse advocating burning him alive is a very disturbed individual who needs to take a long hard look at themselves. What that kid did was disgusting and unjustifiable, but some of the posts on this thread are incredibly disturbing and equally unjustifiable

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By *lwaysup4it69Couple
over a year ago

Kirkby in Ashfield

"Over a million now donated to the home...

Fantastic news at least there are some decent people in this world.

Yes there are.I cant help thinking how terrified those dear dogs must have been."

Show the love most of us have for our 4 legged friends in this country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Over a million now donated to the home...

Fantastic news at least there are some decent people in this world.

Yes there are.I cant help thinking how terrified those dear dogs must have been."

Yes me too, some people don't seem too bothered by it though.

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By *lwaysup4it69Couple
over a year ago

Kirkby in Ashfield

"Fact the 14 year old is 15.

Fact the youth is a local.

Fact the police are treating the fire as arson.

Fact the family and youth were already know to the police.

Fact the police are in the area asking the locals not to take the law into their own hands.

Now I have a couple of questions to all those who have been rushing to make excuses and come up with reasons why this 15 yo should be treated as a victim rather than a criminal:

Who has been making excuses for him? Are these the same people you claim are saying he shouldn't face justice?

Because you've said people are doing both but I can;t see any posts to that effect.

Go back through the thread, and make a list...

I can't see that anyone has accused you of personally suggesting violence against the perpertrator.

I don't see that there is anything wrong with suggesting that he needs help as well as punishment.

If he had burnt 50 humans to death I bet u would have a different _iew of the situation then

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Over a million now donated to the home...

Fantastic news at least there are some decent people in this world."
There are, my dog is a rescue dog, it really upset me how all those dogs had been burnt alive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fact the 14 year old is 15.

Fact the youth is a local.

Fact the police are treating the fire as arson.

Fact the family and youth were already know to the police.

Fact the police are in the area asking the locals not to take the law into their own hands.

Now I have a couple of questions to all those who have been rushing to make excuses and come up with reasons why this 15 yo should be treated as a victim rather than a criminal:

Who has been making excuses for him? Are these the same people you claim are saying he shouldn't face justice?

Because you've said people are doing both but I can;t see any posts to that effect.

Go back through the thread, and make a list...

I can't see that anyone has accused you of personally suggesting violence against the perpertrator.

I don't see that there is anything wrong with suggesting that he needs help as well as punishment.

If he had burnt 50 humans to death I bet u would have a different _iew of the situation then"

I can catagorically state that whatever he or anyone else had done I would not be advocating burning someone alive as a suitable punishment. No crime justifies it. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Over a million now donated to the home...

Fantastic news at least there are some decent people in this world.There are, my dog is a rescue dog, it really upset me how all those dogs had been burnt alive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has it been reported that the lad has learning disabilities?"
. No it has not!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fact the 14 year old is 15.

Fact the youth is a local.

Fact the police are treating the fire as arson.

Fact the family and youth were already know to the police.

Fact the police are in the area asking the locals not to take the law into their own hands.

Now I have a couple of questions to all those who have been rushing to make excuses and come up with reasons why this 15 yo should be treated as a victim rather than a criminal:

Who has been making excuses for him? Are these the same people you claim are saying he shouldn't face justice?

Because you've said people are doing both but I can;t see any posts to that effect.

Go back through the thread, and make a list...

I can't see that anyone has accused you of personally suggesting violence against the perpertrator.

I don't see that there is anything wrong with suggesting that he needs help as well as punishment.

If he had burnt 50 humans to death I bet u would have a different _iew of the situation then"

no I wouldn't have a different _iew,

'an eye for an eye' mentality takes us back to the dark ages.

and for the record all my dogs have been from rescue centres & it sickens me to the core that they suffered so horribly but I still don't advocate burning to death a person.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

There was a report in the news where one described he could hear the dogs screaming....that sent shivers up my spine..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There was a report in the news where one described he could hear the dogs screaming....that sent shivers up my spine.."
. I saw that too, just destroys me!. Can't bear thinking about.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Well it's taken me a while to read through the entire thread, but it has certainly opened my eyes as to how some poster's minds work

Who knows what was going through this youth's mind, but some of the suggestions of retribution leave me dumbfounded

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Feel sorry for that little scroat?I would like to douse the little cunt in petrol,strike a match and listen to him squeal.He deserves no less!!"

What he 'deserves' is to be dealt with under the law of the land as you would be were you to get caught breaking other laws..

that's what makes us a 'civilised' society and civilised societies will still have individuals carrying out disgusting and reprehensible acts as whoever set the fire..

you need to take a look at yourself if you think it appropriate to do what you have said..

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"There was a report in the news where one described he could hear the dogs screaming....that sent shivers up my spine.."
I really wish I hadn't read this post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They'd be queuing up with paper plates n party hats in South Korea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fact the 14 year old is 15.

Fact the youth is a local.

Fact the police are treating the fire as arson.

Fact the family and youth were already know to the police.

Fact the police are in the area asking the locals not to take the law into their own hands.

Now I have a couple of questions to all those who have been rushing to make excuses and come up with reasons why this 15 yo should be treated as a victim rather than a criminal:

Feel sorry for that little scroat?I would like to douse the little cunt in petrol,strike a match and listen to him squeal.He deserves no less!!"

Wow what a lovely person you are.

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

And we can leave it there I think

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