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"Special Educational Needs. Sorry. " No problem. Thanks. | |||
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"Yes it's the boy in the Malvern school. What disgusting language to use towards a child, calling them a "twat". Another classy guy!!! "i have been a year 9 student. believe me we had twats in our year | |||
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"Yes it's the boy in the Malvern school. What disgusting language to use towards a child, calling them a "twat". Another classy guy!!! "You get them at times. They shout long and loud from their arsehole without thinking.  | |||
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"Nine is a bit young for most things. " Tina, he is not 9years old, he is in year 9 - about 12 or 13 years old. | |||
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"So this poor year 9 lad is only now being assessed for SEN??? Presumably this lad reached breaking point and this situation was actually preventable. "what exactly happened?? | |||
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"Poor kid obviously has problems, without being called names "Wrong smiley.  | |||
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"i read he attacked a teacher and a a girl who is a pupil at the school with a knife thats all i know about it. the OP must know something more the way shes carrying on" Would you care to clarify what your comment means "the OP must know something more the way shes carrying on" ? Or is it the fact I took offense to you calling a child a "twat"? | |||
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"No I don't but if he has SEN and has now reached breaking point due to lack of SEN support, it's therefore an incident that was preventable....." That's not necessarily true now is it??? he could of had the best support of the years and still reached breaking point as you put it not enough is know at this point to start blaming the authorities | |||
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"some children are twats and often they are the sons & daughters of bigger twats" | |||
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"Yep , let's not dare to suggest it was the child's fault at all .... of course he is blameless ! The pc brigade will be out in force defending him and how everyone around him failed . And the teacher and girl were just in the wrong place at the wrong time . What a crazy world .... "It's not about being PC, it's about possible disability discrimination..... | |||
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"I doubt any Statutory Assessment has been done never mind a further one. If he does indeed have SEN though and he snapped due to stress because of the lack of support he should NOT be punished but the damn LEA should be. Also this boy is a CHILD not an adult..... " Oh so we don't know he has SEN. And year 9 is past the age of criminal responsibility so in the eyes of the law he is responsible for his actions. Perhaps we should wait until the facts are discovered? | |||
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"i read he attacked a teacher and a a girl who is a pupil at the school with a knife thats all i know about it. the OP must know something more the way shes carrying on Would you care to clarify what your comment means "the OP must know something more the way shes carrying on" ? Or is it the fact I took offense to you calling a child a "twat"? "Some kids are twats, I wouldn't be happy if he had stabbed my daughter. | |||
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"Perhaps we should wait until the facts are discovered? " best contribution to this thread so far | |||
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"So this poor year 9 lad is only now being assessed for SEN??? Presumably this lad reached breaking point and this situation was actually preventable. "You I "PRESUME" you are making quite a few assumptions.  | |||
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"Not to sure but apparently a teacher & another child where superficially cut and then the boy ran off. I was just listening to the news on the radio & it claimed he has possible SEN...... If that's the case it would of been obvious years ago and the LEA have been negligent by not giving him the support years ago. " Or possibly he's a nasty little git who's done something wrong and now he or his parents are claiming he has special needs... I hope the people attacked recover and the person responsible is punished and also helped to rehabilitate | |||
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"I am not condoning the violence but I reckon that this situation was preventable and the LEA are now going to go into panic mode because this child was let down. So if he does have a 'hidden disability' like ASD at the end of the day the LEA are ultimately responsible by NOT providing the support needed or even the right environment. " and what responsibility do the parents have ? | |||
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"Whilst in school the LEA have the responsibility. " so the parents have none | |||
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"I doubt any Statutory Assessment has been done never mind a further one. If he does indeed have SEN though and he snapped due to stress because of the lack of support he should NOT be punished but the damn LEA should be. Also this boy is a CHILD not an adult..... " I think your logic is arsed! Why are you blaming anyone or an authority but not the parents - if he had a problem it is up to them to help their child in the bost possible way in life! Claim culture, blame everyone else screams from your posts, maybe refine your thought into a coherent post?. | |||
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"So this poor year 9 lad is only now being assessed for SEN??? Presumably this lad reached breaking point and this situation was actually preventable.
what exactly happened??"No one quite knows yet x so this is all speculation x | |||
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"I doubt any Statutory Assessment has been done never mind a further one. If he does indeed have SEN though and he snapped due to stress because of the lack of support he should NOT be punished but the damn LEA should be. Also this boy is a CHILD not an adult..... I think your logic is arsed! Why are you blaming anyone or an authority but not the parents - if he had a problem it is up to them to help their child in the bost possible way in life! Claim culture, blame everyone else screams from your posts, maybe refine your thought into a coherent post?. "Thanks for your input!! | |||
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"Perhaps we should wait until the facts are discovered? best contribution to this thread so far " | |||
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"I doubt any Statutory Assessment has been done never mind a further one. If he does indeed have SEN though and he snapped due to stress because of the lack of support he should NOT be punished but the damn LEA should be. Also this boy is a CHILD not an adult..... I think your logic is arsed! Why are you blaming anyone or an authority but not the parents - if he had a problem it is up to them to help their child in the bost possible way in life! Claim culture, blame everyone else screams from your posts, maybe refine your thought into a coherent post?.
Thanks for your input!! "You are very welcome, but I doubt it registered! | |||
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"I am not condoning the violence but I reckon that this situation was preventable and the LEA are now going to go into panic mode because this child was let down. So if he does have a 'hidden disability' like ASD at the end of the day the LEA are ultimately responsible by NOT providing the support needed or even the right environment. " You previously said SEN would have been obvious years ago and now you mention hidden disabilities...seems like the LEA should be a cross between Dr Spock and Sherlock Holmes plus there's no mention of the parent's responsibility. I used to work with 11-18 year olds, yes some had SEN but some were twats - some of those twats grew up into fairly nice young adults, some are still twats...the SEN kids are mostly still SEN adults | |||
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"Well if the lad is found to have SEN and been unsupported, yes the LEA are responsible. " IF......... | |||
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"Perhaps we should wait until the facts are discovered? best contribution to this thread so far " exactly | |||
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"Well if the lad is found to have SEN and been unsupported, yes the LEA are responsible. IF........." The SEN comment would of been released either by the school or LEA. Otherwise the parents would of been quoted...... Still think it's pish? | |||
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"so the young lad who stabbed/cut or whatever the teacher and another pupil, we don't have any facts as to what assessments he has had, the parents carry no responsibility and the educational authority are solely to blame......" Thats how I'm reading this too.....
Surely the parents have ultimate responsibility for their child's behaviour regardless of the special needs that we don't even know whether the child has any? At age 6 my youngest knows that it is wrong to carry a knife and attack people. I don't think we are qualified to pass judgement on this specific case as we don't know all the facts. | |||
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"have you spared a thought for the young girl and her parents, the fear that they must have gone through before they knew their daughter was safe... or are you so focused on blame before the facts..... It was in fact reported extremely quickly that the teacher and student hurt had superficial cuts and yes if I was that students parents I would be going mad with worry too. " | |||
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"Not to sure but apparently a teacher & another child where superficially cut and then the boy ran off. I was just listening to the news on the radio & it claimed he has possible SEN...... If that's the case it would of been obvious years ago and the LEA have been negligent by not giving him the support years ago. Or possibly he's a nasty little git who's done something wrong and now he or his parents are claiming he has special needs... I hope the people attacked recover and the person responsible is punished and also helped to rehabilitate " this
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"Look I am sorry if I have appeared to be aggressive it's just that SEN is of particular interest and this story is unbelievable. I think this boy has been let down big style. Nothing to do with PC crap etc. " Perhaps re-read your original post to see why you have had the reaction, that perhaps as another supposition, you didn't want and other posters reactions to it?  | |||
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"SEN or no SEN, in the eyes of the law he has committed a violent crime for which I hope he will be fully punished within the law. As for saying a police helicopter looking for him is overkill, he has violently assaulted 2 people and may go on to assault more if not found quickly, so I'd rather have him found and dealt with quickly rather than hear about another serious attack by him." Superficial cuts is NOT violent assault.....  | |||
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"so the young lad who stabbed/cut or whatever the teacher and another pupil, we don't have any facts as to what assessments he has had, the parents carry no responsibility and the educational authority are solely to blame...... Thats how I'm reading this too.....
Surely the parents have ultimate responsibility for their child's behaviour regardless of the special needs that we don't even know whether the child has any? At age 6 my youngest knows that it is wrong to carry a knife and attack people. I don't think we are qualified to pass judgement on this specific case as we don't know all the facts. "but your posting this from a sex site and you blame the parents ??? Fucking typical  | |||
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"Perhaps we should wait until the facts are discovered? best contribution to this thread so far "Don't you know ascertaining the full facts ruins a good thread? | |||
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"so the young lad who stabbed/cut or whatever the teacher and another pupil, we don't have any facts as to what assessments he has had, the parents carry no responsibility and the educational authority are solely to blame...... Thats how I'm reading this too.....
Surely the parents have ultimate responsibility for their child's behaviour regardless of the special needs that we don't even know whether the child has any? At age 6 my youngest knows that it is wrong to carry a knife and attack people. I don't think we are qualified to pass judgement on this specific case as we don't know all the facts. but your posting this from a sex site and you blame the parents ???
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"Look I am sorry if I have appeared to be aggressive it's just that SEN is of particular interest and this story is unbelievable. I think this boy has been let down big style. Nothing to do with PC crap etc. " The point is you have no idea what the cause is but you are like too many people is this country who automatically look to absolve young people and their parents of any responsibility for their actions by immediately blaming the authorities when something goes wrong | |||
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"so the young lad who stabbed/cut or whatever the teacher and another pupil, we don't have any facts as to what assessments he has had, the parents carry no responsibility and the educational authority are solely to blame...... Thats how I'm reading this too.....
Surely the parents have ultimate responsibility for their child's behaviour regardless of the special needs that we don't even know whether the child has any? At age 6 my youngest knows that it is wrong to carry a knife and attack people. I don't think we are qualified to pass judgement on this specific case as we don't know all the facts. but your posting this from a sex site and you blame the parents ???
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"SEN or no SEN, in the eyes of the law he has committed a violent crime for which I hope he will be fully punished within the law. As for saying a police helicopter looking for him is overkill, he has violently assaulted 2 people and may go on to assault more if not found quickly, so I'd rather have him found and dealt with quickly rather than hear about another serious attack by him. Superficial cuts is NOT violent assault..... "An assault with a bladed weapon in the eyes of the law is a violent crime however SUPERFICIAL the cuts may be. | |||
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"SEN or no SEN, in the eyes of the law he has committed a violent crime for which I hope he will be fully punished within the law. As for saying a police helicopter looking for him is overkill, he has violently assaulted 2 people and may go on to assault more if not found quickly, so I'd rather have him found and dealt with quickly rather than hear about another serious attack by him. Superficial cuts is NOT violent assault..... "Fuck me, a big knife used on another person is NOT violent assault?, what planet are you on? Too bloody P.C for my liking that is for sure! And I use the exclamantion marks to emphasise that!!. I do not seem to be alone in thinking you should have maybe, just maybe, have thought about your OP, but there again it is an ANOTHER assumption, in the way your Op makes a few. | |||
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"so the young lad who stabbed/cut or whatever the teacher and another pupil, we don't have any facts as to what assessments he has had, the parents carry no responsibility and the educational authority are solely to blame...... Thats how I'm reading this too.....
Surely the parents have ultimate responsibility for their child's behaviour regardless of the special needs that we don't even know whether the child has any? At age 6 my youngest knows that it is wrong to carry a knife and attack people. I don't think we are qualified to pass judgement on this specific case as we don't know all the facts. "Parents take responsibility for educating children in the rights and wrongs so I would agree with that but even children who have had the best of parents can still ignore and do as they wish.  | |||
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"SEN or no SEN, in the eyes of the law he has committed a violent crime for which I hope he will be fully punished within the law. As for saying a police helicopter looking for him is overkill, he has violently assaulted 2 people and may go on to assault more if not found quickly, so I'd rather have him found and dealt with quickly rather than hear about another serious attack by him. Superficial cuts is NOT violent assault..... "Attacking someone with a knife IS a violent attack regardless of the injuries sustained! As we're jumping to all sorts of conclusions on here I'm hopping aboard the bouncy castle!! It seems that you have major.issues with SEN provisions, perhaps on a personal level bit unless you are personally involves in this young child's schooling then you cannot make the statements you have been making. Whilst at school the teachers and ultimately the LEA are in loco parents yiu are right. But that does not absolve then parents of any responsibility of bringing up a child to know what is right and what is wrong. IF the child has learning difficulties etc that is no excuse for him attacking people. I worked at a school for disabled children and children with learning difficulties and can tell you they knew wrong from right. All too often people are eager to blame they system. Yes it's not perfect but to lay the whole blame for this at their door is ludicrous at the very least and very dangerous. | |||
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"so the young lad who stabbed/cut or whatever the teacher and another pupil, we don't have any facts as to what assessments he has had, the parents carry no responsibility and the educational authority are solely to blame...... Thats how I'm reading this too.....
Surely the parents have ultimate responsibility for their child's behaviour regardless of the special needs that we don't even know whether the child has any? At age 6 my youngest knows that it is wrong to carry a knife and attack people. I don't think we are qualified to pass judgement on this specific case as we don't know all the facts.
Parents take responsibility for educating children in the rights and wrongs so I would agree with that but even children who have had the best of parents can still ignore and do as they wish. "Yes I agree. The OP was claiming that the behaviour if a child is the responsibility of the LEA though. Of course children develop their own characteristics and personality. The whole nature/nurture debate still continues. Personally I believe it's a bit of both. A child may have certain personality traits but their life experiences will have an effect. I don't see how they can't. | |||
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"There are evil children in this world james bulger killers. Born evil. Using special needs is the easy way out and is disrespectfull to children with genuine special needs if thats the case" | |||
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"There are evil children in this world james bulger killers. Born evil. Using special needs is the easy way out and is disrespectfull to children with genuine special needs if thats the case" While I don't condone what those boys did to Jamie Bulger,they both had pretty sickening upbringings themselves which would have definately influenced their behaviour,those influences were from family | |||
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"so the young lad who stabbed/cut or whatever the teacher and another pupil, we don't have any facts as to what assessments he has had, the parents carry no responsibility and the educational authority are solely to blame...... Thats how I'm reading this too.....
Surely the parents have ultimate responsibility for their child's behaviour regardless of the special needs that we don't even know whether the child has any? At age 6 my youngest knows that it is wrong to carry a knife and attack people. I don't think we are qualified to pass judgement on this specific case as we don't know all the facts.
Parents take responsibility for educating children in the rights and wrongs so I would agree with that but even children who have had the best of parents can still ignore and do as they wish.
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"SEN or no SEN, in the eyes of the law he has committed a violent crime for which I hope he will be fully punished within the law. As for saying a police helicopter looking for him is overkill, he has violently assaulted 2 people and may go on to assault more if not found quickly, so I'd rather have him found and dealt with quickly rather than hear about another serious attack by him. Superficial cuts is NOT violent assault..... "So did the little darling intend superficial cuts or just got lucky and didn't kill someone? | |||
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"Maybe the OP knows more about the system than can be relayed on here. Superficial cuts could be caused by paper and not necessarily a knife. (Stabbing sounds so much sexier than mere cuts) A child with SEN could easily be freaked by that and as I said earlier, sending up a helicopter sounds like overkill. Incidentally, the child has now been found. " Sending a helicopter out for what is now assumed to be a child with learning difficulties that has gone missing is overkill? Would you prefer them yo stick pictures on milk bottles and wait for jean from down the road to spot him in the street? | |||
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"There are evil children in this world james bulger killers. Born evil. Using special needs is the easy way out and is disrespectfull to children with genuine special needs if thats the case While I don't condone what those boys did to Jamie Bulger,they both had pretty sickening upbringings themselves which would have definately influenced their behaviour,those influences were from family " still evil to this day by all accounts. A bad up bringing dont mean they had special needs. | |||
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"Maybe the OP knows more about the system than can be relayed on here. Superficial cuts could be caused by paper and not necessarily a knife. (Stabbing sounds so much sexier than mere cuts) A child with SEN could easily be freaked by that and as I said earlier, sending up a helicopter sounds like overkill. Incidentally, the child has now been found. " Glad the child has been found and may get help. Doubt the OP knows more, just a pet cause, and it was not a paper cut, as reported it was a BIG knife!. The report of SENS being diagnosed is ONLY now being talked about, not that was previously diagnosed. Hence the comments made. | |||
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"From report he went in with camo paint and scarf around face and a large knife that is pre meditated and he obviously had targets aswell! The Special needs they believe to be ADHD.. Sorry but you have to have a screw loose to do something like this, imagine if this had been america that knife would have been a gun and there would have been a death tool.. Wouldnt have been pitying him then would we! " No WE wouldn't, but maybe the OP and maybe another may do so. Removed from reality springs to mind to me, sorry but a frigging untenable point of _iew from OP and other! | |||
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"We have ALL been year 9 students. It does not however mean you can call this boy a 'twat'. As an adult, can you not understand that? "I can safely say in year 9 we never had any twats in our school, just little shits lol. | |||
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"From report he went in with camo paint and scarf around face and a large knife that is pre meditated and he obviously had targets aswell! The Special needs they believe to be ADHD.. Sorry but you have to have a screw loose to do something like this, imagine if this had been america that knife would have been a gun and there would have been a death tool.. Wouldnt have been pitying him then would we! No WE wouldn't, but maybe the OP and maybe another may do so. Removed from reality springs to mind to me, sorry but a frigging untenable point of _iew from OP and other! " Almost as untenable as believing that a child is inherently evil? If I cross reference this thread with the religious thread I find people calling a child "evil" that proclaim they are either agnostic or atheist... The concept of Evil is a product of relgion, without this product, we have neither good nor evil. We have only those who follow rules and those that break them (societal). A child is a metaphorical "sponge" absorbing the culture, behaviours and rules that it observes. A child is not "evil", but if described as such would mean society itself is evil... If a sponge soaks up pollution from water it is not just the sponge that is polluted, but the well it drew the water from.... | |||
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"From report he went in with camo paint and scarf around face and a large knife that is pre meditated and he obviously had targets aswell! The Special needs they believe to be ADHD.. Sorry but you have to have a screw loose to do something like this, imagine if this had been america that knife would have been a gun and there would have been a death tool.. Wouldnt have been pitying him then would we! No WE wouldn't, but maybe the OP and maybe another may do so. Removed from reality springs to mind to me, sorry but a frigging untenable point of _iew from OP and other! Almost as untenable as believing that a child is inherently evil? If I cross reference this thread with the religious thread I find people calling a child "evil" that proclaim they are either agnostic or atheist... The concept of Evil is a product of relgion, without this product, we have neither good nor evil. We have only those who follow rules and those that break them (societal). A child is a metaphorical "sponge" absorbing the culture, behaviours and rules that it observes. A child is not "evil", but if described as such would mean society itself is evil... If a sponge soaks up pollution from water it is not just the sponge that is polluted, but the well it drew the water from...." What claptrap. Some people have personality disorders from birth that make them act at odds with the society they live in. By your reckoning, child survivors of the holocaust should have become evil purely because they lived in an environment awash with evil. Newsflash - some people are just plain cruel and absent of all empathy or sympathy for others. | |||
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"From report he went in with camo paint and scarf around face and a large knife that is pre meditated and he obviously had targets aswell! The Special needs they believe to be ADHD.. Sorry but you have to have a screw loose to do something like this, imagine if this had been america that knife would have been a gun and there would have been a death tool.. Wouldnt have been pitying him then would we! No WE wouldn't, but maybe the OP and maybe another may do so. Removed from reality springs to mind to me, sorry but a frigging untenable point of _iew from OP and other! Almost as untenable as believing that a child is inherently evil? If I cross reference this thread with the religious thread I find people calling a child "evil" that proclaim they are either agnostic or atheist... The concept of Evil is a product of relgion, without this product, we have neither good nor evil. We have only those who follow rules and those that break them (societal). A child is a metaphorical "sponge" absorbing the culture, behaviours and rules that it observes. A child is not "evil", but if described as such would mean society itself is evil... If a sponge soaks up pollution from water it is not just the sponge that is polluted, but the well it drew the water from...." Excuse me? Where did I say that a child was in any way evil? Please use "quote to reply" to reply to a poster so the poster and others see, in context, why you post!  | |||
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"From report he went in with camo paint and scarf around face and a large knife that is pre meditated and he obviously had targets aswell! The Special needs they believe to be ADHD.. Sorry but you have to have a screw loose to do something like this, imagine if this had been america that knife would have been a gun and there would have been a death tool.. Wouldnt have been pitying him then would we! No WE wouldn't, but maybe the OP and maybe another may do so. Removed from reality springs to mind to me, sorry but a frigging untenable point of _iew from OP and other! Almost as untenable as believing that a child is inherently evil? If I cross reference this thread with the religious thread I find people calling a child "evil" that proclaim they are either agnostic or atheist... The concept of Evil is a product of relgion, without this product, we have neither good nor evil. We have only those who follow rules and those that break them (societal). A child is a metaphorical "sponge" absorbing the culture, behaviours and rules that it observes. A child is not "evil", but if described as such would mean society itself is evil... If a sponge soaks up pollution from water it is not just the sponge that is polluted, but the well it drew the water from.... Excuse me? Where did I say that a child was in any way evil? Please use "quote to reply" to reply to a poster so the poster and others see, in context, why you post! "For misquoting I make apology, you do not agree with the others that believe this child "evil". | |||
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"From report he went in with camo paint and scarf around face and a large knife that is pre meditated and he obviously had targets aswell! The Special needs they believe to be ADHD.. Sorry but you have to have a screw loose to do something like this, imagine if this had been america that knife would have been a gun and there would have been a death tool.. Wouldnt have been pitying him then would we! No WE wouldn't, but maybe the OP and maybe another may do so. Removed from reality springs to mind to me, sorry but a frigging untenable point of _iew from OP and other! Almost as untenable as believing that a child is inherently evil? If I cross reference this thread with the religious thread I find people calling a child "evil" that proclaim they are either agnostic or atheist... The concept of Evil is a product of relgion, without this product, we have neither good nor evil. We have only those who follow rules and those that break them (societal). A child is a metaphorical "sponge" absorbing the culture, behaviours and rules that it observes. A child is not "evil", but if described as such would mean society itself is evil... If a sponge soaks up pollution from water it is not just the sponge that is polluted, but the well it drew the water from.... Excuse me? Where did I say that a child was in any way evil? Please use "quote to reply" to reply to a poster so the poster and others see, in context, why you post!
For misquoting I make apology, you do not agree with the others that believe this child "evil"."I did not make a comment, however I believe my posts made my position clear, as to a child or an adult being evil would, I believe, be another contetsious issue. | |||
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"SEN or no SEN, in the eyes of the law he has committed a violent crime for which I hope he will be fully punished within the law. As for saying a police helicopter looking for him is overkill, he has violently assaulted 2 people and may go on to assault more if not found quickly, so I'd rather have him found and dealt with quickly rather than hear about another serious attack by him. Superficial cuts is NOT violent assault..... "WTF! | |||
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"Yes it's the boy in the Malvern school. What disgusting language to use towards a child, calling them a "twat". Another classy guy!!! "I dunno stabbing a child is a pretty twatish thing to do. | |||
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"SEN or no SEN, in the eyes of the law he has committed a violent crime for which I hope he will be fully punished within the law. As for saying a police helicopter looking for him is overkill, he has violently assaulted 2 people and may go on to assault more if not found quickly, so I'd rather have him found and dealt with quickly rather than hear about another serious attack by him. Superficial cuts is NOT violent assault..... "Are you an idiot? Do you actually know what a superficial cut is? Go on my profile and look at the giant scar running from hip to shoulder I will have that for life, that is the end result of a superficial cut. If you think it's not assault how would you feel if you got a superficial cut to your face leaving you permanently scarred? Superficial just means it didn't damage muscle tendons and deeper nerves. It does not mean it's not permanently disfiguring and in this case will likely cause life long mental issues for the other child | |||
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"Dont know if this has been asked but where did he get the knife from?" The kitchen I imagine. At 13 I'd be surprised if he couldn't get a knife. Heck the camo face paint probably took more effort to get a hold of. | |||
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"Dont know if this has been asked but where did he get the knife from? The kitchen I imagine. At 13 I'd be surprised if he couldn't get a knife. Heck the camo face paint probably took more effort to get a hold of." So it was possibly done with intent then? | |||
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"so the young lad who stabbed/cut or whatever the teacher and another pupil, we don't have any facts as to what assessments he has had, the parents carry no responsibility and the educational authority are solely to blame......" ...In a nutshell!!! | |||
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"I have sympathy for the victims of the attack. Until I know any further information, I have no sympathy for anyone else. " | |||
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"I have sympathy for the victims of the attack. Until I know any further information, I have no sympathy for anyone else. " This | |||
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"Whilst in school the LEA have the ultimate responsibility. End off" Poppycock, the parents have ultimate responsibility for their child. If they suspected he had issues then they should have got him the correct help by using the sources available to them. You do not allow your child to stab people......regardless of issues or not he attacked two people & him and his parents should be held accountable. | |||
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"Whilst a child is in school the LEA and school are 'locos parentis' . " So why do they call me at work with menial tribulations with my son ?? | |||
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"Because LEA's do not want to issue Statutory Statements unless practically forced to by a tribunal if they can get away with it. At the end of the day it boils down to money. Many kids are failed by the education system who have SEN. Schools are basically used as containment areas for them sadly. " This is quite true I would say after the age of around 8 Lea don't like statementing kids Because of the cost of schooling and 1-1 staffing etc too | |||
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"So this poor year 9 lad is only now being assessed for SEN??? Presumably this lad reached breaking point and this situation was actually preventable. "I have read the news reports on this, nowhere does it say the teenager with the knife was mentally or physically disabled, or mention special needs of any sort. It also doesn't say where the knife came from just that it was long bladed, it doesn't actually say if the two people injured were accidentally injured or attacked. So currently I have no opinion. But I would not be blaming teachers parents or doctors on such a small amount of evidence. If he did take a knife to school and attack someone then he needs to be locked up either as a punishment or because he is dangerous. It was only April when a 61 year old teacher was stabbed to death, let sympathy lie with the victims not the perpetrators. | |||
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"Because LEA's do not want to issue Statutory Statements unless practically forced to by a tribunal if they can get away with it. At the end of the day it boils down to money. Many kids are failed by the education system who have SEN. Schools are basically used as containment areas for them sadly. This is quite true I would say after the age of around 8 Lea don't like statementing kids Because of the cost of schooling and 1-1 staffing etc too" Because of the present financial climate most LEA's only statement in the very severest of cases. Therefore an awful lot of children slip through the net. Children who require statements however but don't have them generally show more behaviour problems as trying to compete with peers on a very uneven playing field results in further stress problems and their self esteem gets even more damaged. All in all a pretty explosive mix. This of course also affects other children's education too. | |||
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"Because LEA's do not want to issue Statutory Statements unless practically forced to by a tribunal if they can get away with it. At the end of the day it boils down to money. Many kids are failed by the education system who have SEN. Schools are basically used as containment areas for them sadly. This is quite true I would say after the age of around 8 Lea don't like statementing kids Because of the cost of schooling and 1-1 staffing etc too Because of the present financial climate most LEA's only statement in the very severest of cases. Therefore an awful lot of children slip through the net. Children who require statements however but don't have them generally show more behaviour problems as trying to compete with peers on a very uneven playing field results in further stress problems and their self esteem gets even more damaged. All in all a pretty explosive mix. This of course also affects other children's education too. " What about the self esteem of the victims? | |||
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"Whilst a child is in school the LEA and school are 'locos parentis' . So why do they call me at work with menial tribulations with my son ??" Because you are his father and should deal with his menial tribulations!! In Loco parensis doesnt mean they can reprimand the children in theor care it just meana that while they are there they have a duty to provide a safe environment for all children there. | |||
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"If and yes I do mean IF the boy is found to have ADHD and it was untreated for whatever reason, the LEA still had a responsibility to support the boy with behaviour issues that can be caused by ADHD. To not support him, yet still compare him and expect him to behave as his 'normal' peers is disability discrimination. Therefore the LEA are negligent. " It is Doctors who diagnose ADHD, the school can only refer him for this not diagnose, it will be the doctor who gives him medication for this not the Authority, once diagnosis has been made then the Authority can put into place any support the child needs... | |||
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"Given that the boy has been charged with 13 offences, including GBH, and remanded in custody, I wonder if the OP would reconsider her trivialising of his criminal behaviour. Or does this merely substantiate her _iew that someone else is to blame for his actions? Notwithstanding genuine cases and needs for support, our society is riddled with a blame culture, sense of entitlement and a shortage of taking responsibility for one's actions (in my opinion). It's the victims of his crime that I feel most sorry for." | |||
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"I find it kind of offensive the op thinks that an expected result of sen without much support is stabbing people. Kinda shits on all those people who worked hard and made a good life for themselves despite problems. " | |||
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"My son is slightly autistic he was bullied so badly at school he suffered a breakdown I had to take him out or something would have happened I'm sure. the lea failed in their duty of care to him by not protecting him and give him correct support. I fought them for six months to get him into another school. He's now a wonderful 21 year old studying a masters at uni. Im so proud of him but it's really hard when the school /lea don't help and support you. Good kids don't generally go around stabbing people unless there is something very wrong. Lets hope there's a happy ending but I doubt it'll get reported " You rightly must be very proud Well done to you both | |||
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"Children have always had educational needs. This does not mean that it's ok to stab people. Where did the knife come from? " No doubt he took it with him which means its pre meditated and shows he knows what he's doing | |||
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"Can you see where I am going? "No, sorry can't see where you are going. You seem to have lots of empathy for a knife wielding thug and none for his victims. no news reports mention special needs or adhd but you seem to have an agenda on these subjects. | |||
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" Superficial cuts is NOT violent assault..... "I am sorry if this is rude OP, but I find this statement incredibly stupid. It is, as I said earlier, clutching at straws to shift blame. Why don't you tell us the real reason why you have issues with educational bodies , or do you have a personal link to this case, otherwise noone will see 'where your coming from'. | |||
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"No I don't but if he has SEN and has now reached breaking point due to lack of SEN support, it's therefore an incident that was preventable....." Why would it have been obvious years ago? Many young students cover up needs and abilities or lack of for fear of being targeted. Some develope coping strategies and as many dare I use the word 'normal' people mask their shortfalls in order to be accepted. | |||
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"I find it kind of offensive the op thinks that an expected result of sen without much support is stabbing people. Kinda shits on all those people who worked hard and made a good life for themselves despite problems. "
My middle daughter diagnosed as dyslexic in primary school....but very motivated. We were offered help n support by LEA but as she was coping we suggested the school use the money for more general support for the whole class.
That class gave the school best results ever...with our daughter right at the top.
She has just graduated as a doctor.
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"so the young lad who stabbed/cut or whatever the teacher and another pupil, we don't have any facts as to what assessments he has had, the parents carry no responsibility and the educational authority are solely to blame...... Thats how I'm reading this too.....
Surely the parents have ultimate responsibility for their child's behaviour regardless of the special needs that we don't even know whether the child has any? At age 6 my youngest knows that it is wrong to carry a knife and attack people. I don't think we are qualified to pass judgement on this specific case as we don't know all the facts. "I'm unsure why people are pointing the blame at the parents. He's not a child he's a young adult. Parents are not responsible for their children's actions. At this rate of accusation we'd all be stoned for swinging let alone if one of our children raped a girl or caused a car crash.... Agree with the OP that it's funny how only now the LEA are claiming possible SEN. As an adult aware of autism and ADHD etc I made sure when my three year old was displaying characteristics that he was tested for being on the autism spectrum. However lots of parents and dare I say it older generations of teachers would put this down to being a "twat"... Better education is needed. | |||
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"Would you want your own child in a class with him?" Not really no I wouldnt. As my son is now 27, when he was in junior school he was constantly picked on by one child, which the school did nothing about even when I spoke to them and his parents, the parents apologised and it carried on until they left in year 6. My son's class had a handful of "naughty" children as they were called back then but I'm sure they were probably adhd related problems. The boy I mentioned got beaten up in year 7 as a result of his picking on others older than him who weren't going to tolerate it. He was diagnosed with a behavioral disorder. sorry for the long text | |||
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"Ok, the boy is being charged with 13 offences. Ten of which are related to having a knife. Presumably from different periods of time, not just this awful incident ..... The school would have been aware of these circumstances yet the boy is either attending the school still, been temp excluded or fully excluded. So your telling me that this lad does NOT have problems??? These problems have not occurred overnight...... The fact it said that he was being investigated for SEN but no one was actually quoted for that means it's likely it came from an official source, otherwise the reporter would of said WHO said it. He may very well be 'a little shit' 'A twat' and what other charming phrases have been used to describe him. However the fact that he ran off despite all these offences instead of being cocky and standing his ground to show peers how 'tough' he was does not quite add up. Running off is a natural reaction when scared though. If he was as hardened as some boys are by that age in light of his criminal history etc it's unlikely he would have ran. Soo, if he is being investigated SEN and it's taking this long it's likely to either be ADHD which could have co-morbid factors or ASD (Aspergers is what I am thinking but that's now an old term) . Both are hidden disabilities, which should have been picked up years ago. Regardless of diagnosis though support in school should still have been provided..... The school was on notice to improve so as SEN is completely underfunded at the best of times, SEN would be a particular weak spot in that school which is also the biggest in that county. Can you see where I am going? "Wtf since when did any criminal stand their ground after a crime unless their intent was suicide by cop? People who decide to stand with a weapon against the police are the ones with mental issues or frankly want to die. Running shows he was still able to make rational decisions. | |||
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"I'm from Malvern. Live near the school etc... Another pupil received a scratch to her cheek. A teacher used a ring binder to fend him off....this was also scratched. No-one was stabbed. No-one had hospital treatment. A shocking incident to happen in a school....but once again, over-dramatised by the press!" A GBH charge requires serious injury to have been sustained. Not over dramatised; reported factually. | |||
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"Yes it's the boy in the Malvern school. What disgusting language to use towards a child, calling them a "twat". Another classy guy!!!
i have been a year 9 student. believe me we had twats in our year "By year 9 in was being called much worse | |||
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"some children are twats and often they are the sons & daughters of bigger twats"I quite agree | |||
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