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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

British jihadist fighters have contacted a university in London to say they regret their decision to join Islamist extremists in the Middle East and want to come home. The 30-strong group of jihadists said they wanted to return home to Britain but were afraid they would be jailed if they did so.

Should they be allowed to come into Britain?

Should they be arrested if they do or do they have a right to resume their life as before?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no fcuking chance. they know they`re on the back foot and are good as dead if they stay out there

they went over there to kill and im sure have blood on their hands. fcuk em

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

When Stag Nights turn bad.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

from reading about how they are accepted and treat its not a matter of what happens if they come back more that the fundamentalists won't be letting them leave no matter what they want to do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In ye olds worlds days they would be allowed back and straight to the tower of London ...

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By *rtemisiaWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

Fuck no!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope, they made their choice

i don't think they should be allowed back in the country to carry on their lifes, one min buggering off to kill innocent people the next min back in the uk driving taxis and teaching our kids etc (those two jobs are just an example) i don't know about anyone else but i wouldn't like the idea of sitting in the back of a taxi with one of these guys

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes."

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Have they had a genuine change of heart?

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By *uss PussWoman
over a year ago

east cheshire


"Have they had a genuine change of heart? "

That would be the million dollar question..........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmmm, on the one hand it could be an open door to extremists.

but on the other, it would be an opportunity to de-brief them, de-program them and also to prosecute any who have broken the law, whether it be, UK laws, internatiinal law or of the countries they have been to.

and as View says an opportunity to discourage others from following them.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

It could also be a ploy to recruit more if let back in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah let them back then straight to the cells to be the new bitch on the block

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isn't the UK on a terrorist alert? How do we know they aren't being sent back with hidden reasons?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"Have they had a genuine change of heart?

That would be the million dollar question.........."

Oh my life....hello stranger !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fuck no!"

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By *uss PussWoman
over a year ago

east cheshire


"Have they had a genuine change of heart?

That would be the million dollar question..........

Oh my life....hello stranger !!!"

hey gorgeous

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't know if we can refuse them entry anyway if they are British citizens. I would suspect we can detain them but then would have to give them a trial and it would be on what grounds and what real evidence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In ye olds worlds days they would be allowed back and straight to the tower of London ...

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& that was just for saying; "I've a headache, Henry!"

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"Have they had a genuine change of heart?

That would be the million dollar question..........

Oh my life....hello stranger !!!

hey gorgeous "

Don't want to take away from the thread but hello and welcome back, hope it is for a while this time

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By *AURA6969TV/TS
over a year ago

RUGBY

No F******g way do we want them back murders one and all if they haven't killed they would. People Remember. Lee Rigby R.I.P.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"No F******g way do we want them back murders one and all if they haven't killed they would. People Remember. Lee Rigby R.I.P. "

The Lee Rigby situation is different those guys didn't go abroad. And As said above and looking I don't know if we can refuse them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I don't know if we can refuse them entry anyway if they are British citizens. I would suspect we can detain them but then would have to give them a trial and it would be on what grounds and what real evidence."

The ones I have read about are British citizens and you might be right I don't think you can leave someone without a country. Though detention would seem the best option I don't know how long that can be done for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yeah why not, what could possibly go wrong.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"no fcuking chance. they know they`re on the back foot and are good as dead if they stay out there

they went over there to kill and im sure have blood on their hands. fcuk em"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations."

This sounds slightly naive to me, in my opinion if they are allowed back they will just disappear into the community that they're from. And then you'll have trained soldiers who've proven already that they have no bother killing when called upon.

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes."

This.

Let them back. Ask them many questions. Then if appropriate - prosecute and jail them.

A

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"British jihadist fighters have contacted a university in London to say they regret their decision to join Islamist extremists in the Middle East and want to come home. The 30-strong group of jihadists said they wanted to return home to Britain but were afraid they would be jailed if they did so.

Should they be allowed to come into Britain?

Should they be arrested if they do or do they have a right to resume their life as before?

"

I have no knowledge of the law, what could they be arrested for?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They turned against the western world when they joined up. For all well know it could just be a plot to get back into the country. To spread more terror. Who is to say they won't strike once in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let them back, and then film them all being beheaded on video to send to those ISIS scum to show them how WE deal with Jihadists in this country!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations.

This sounds slightly naive to me, in my opinion if they are allowed back they will just disappear into the community that they're from. And then you'll have trained soldiers who've proven already that they have no bother killing when called upon. "

No I didn't suggest they were allowed to disappear I was asking a question or questions on the general _iew of people on this but would agree to let them go freely back into society isn't a good one. However people can't just be arrested and detained indefinitely in the UK it would be illegal.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"Let them back, and then film them all being beheaded on video to send to those ISIS scum to show them how WE deal with Jihadists in this country! "

surely we are better than them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes."

Surely it would be more of a deterant for others to see that if they took that route they would not be welcomed back with open arms and had to stick with their decision.

I don't know, I would tell the to do one personally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Let them back, and then film them all being beheaded on video to send to those ISIS scum to show them how WE deal with Jihadists in this country! "

And that would do what? Isis wouldn't care more over it would get them even more cannon fodder.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Let them back, and then film them all being beheaded on video to send to those ISIS scum to show them how WE deal with Jihadists in this country! "

an eye for an eye!

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


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Surely it would be more of a deterant for others to see that if they took that route they would not be welcomed back with open arms and had to stick with their decision.

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I get that one too

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"Let them back, and then film them all being beheaded on video to send to those ISIS scum to show them how WE deal with Jihadists in this country!

an eye for an eye!"

and would you be the person doing the beheading or are you going to ask someone else to do it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Have they had a genuine change of heart? "
They would say they had just to get the desired result

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We should let them back in, straight into a detention centre.

Or may be we could arrange for the 30 or so of them to just disappear. After all, it's less than one coachfull

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've got a great idea, we could let them back in to the country, change their identity (to protect their human rights from those that might want to harass them), provide them with housing and keep them and their families comfortable on state-provided benefits paid for by yours and my taxes.

Ha ha, crazy notion I know, like THAT would ever happen!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Y not, give tehm another chance, just like the bankers had lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've got a great idea, we could let them back in to the country, change their identity (to protect their human rights from those that might want to harass them), provide them with housing and keep them and their families comfortable on state-provided benefits paid for by yours and my taxes.

Ha ha, crazy notion I know, like THAT would ever happen!"

To true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've got a great idea, we could let them back in to the country, change their identity (to protect their human rights from those that might want to harass them), provide them with housing and keep them and their families comfortable on state-provided benefits paid for by yours and my taxes.

Ha ha, crazy notion I know, like THAT would ever happen!"

To true

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Y not, give tehm another chance, just like the bankers had lol."

Its really not the same thing at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Let them back, and then film them all being beheaded on video to send to those ISIS scum to show them how WE deal with Jihadists in this country!

surely we are better than them"
no ...just a softer touch than them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Y not, give tehm another chance, just like the bankers had lol.

Its really not the same thing at all. "
I know but both can "destroy" a countrie, either economical or death.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Y not, give tehm another chance, just like the bankers had lol.

Its really not the same thing at all. I know but both can "destroy" a countrie, either economical or death."

Thats trivialising a serious subject fella I know bankers are not the flavour of the year but its a very different issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Let them back, and then film them all being beheaded on video to send to those ISIS scum to show them how WE deal with Jihadists in this country!

surely we are better than themno ...just a softer touch than them "

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

so who is going to do all this beheading ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't see how legally they can be stopped from coming back. Would we take in terrorists here from another country?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"so who is going to do all this beheading ?

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Maybe you as your the only one pushing it

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"so who is going to do all this beheading ?

Maybe you as your the only one pushing it "

yeah right enough

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They should visit inner city schools and talk to the students about their experience. Talk about how they were recruited and why they listened. Learn by other's mistakes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suspect the reality for many of those who have gone over there is very different to the glamorised _iews they would have had before going. If they can be debriefed, de-radicalised and stop just one more young Briton from being tempted to join the jihadist cause then I would say let them back.

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

I think there can only be a zero tolerance policy to these terrorists. They made the decision their British citizenship was worth nothing when they went to join these groups .What message as a country would it send, that we allow them to come back to the very country and people they so freely rejected?

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By *AURA6969TV/TS
over a year ago

RUGBY


"No F******g way do we want them back murders one and all if they haven't killed they would. People Remember. Lee Rigby R.I.P.

The Lee Rigby situation is different those guys didn't go abroad. And As said above and looking I don't know if we can refuse them. "
No he was killed by terrorist in our own country whose to say these killers won't do the same

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The guys wanting to come home if I've heard right, aren't jihadists, they went to help Syrians fight against Asad and his regime, but that fight has turned in to a factious squabble.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations."

I agree, if they were all publicly strung up and then buried in pigskin coffins.

But I can't see that happening

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"so who is going to do all this beheading ?

"
Advertise in the job centre Im sure there would be no shortage of candidates,failing that an electrinic guillotine type thingy majig...cant be that hard to knock up?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No F******g way do we want them back murders one and all if they haven't killed they would. People Remember. Lee Rigby R.I.P.

The Lee Rigby situation is different those guys didn't go abroad. And As said above and looking I don't know if we can refuse them. No he was killed by terrorist in our own country whose to say these killers won't do the same "

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By *D40Couple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

I say a resounding NO.

However our government are all lunatics so they will probably welcome them home with Flat Screen TV's, benefits and social housing....

Mrs Dolph xx

ps, God bless Lee Rigby and all those who've died at the hands of animals like these

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think there can only be a zero tolerance policy to these terrorists. They made the decision their British citizenship was worth nothing when they went to join these groups .What message as a country would it send, that we allow them to come back to the very country and people they so freely rejected? "

Does our ability to forgive and accept not separate us from the evils we are seeing in Syria/Iraq etc and that demonstration of humanity could send a positive message to our multi-cultural society?? Could their return not be used as a massive PR/propoganda weapon?

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

whats that island off scotland that was made uninhabitbale by anthrax ?

send them all there and let them fend for themselves any that are still alive after a year can then be tried for treason

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"Let them back, and then film them all being beheaded on video to send to those ISIS scum to show them how WE deal with Jihadists in this country! "

Who is this 'WE' ?

I'm certainly not in favour of replicating the brutality of the scum you refer to.

A

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I suspect the reality for many of those who have gone over there is very different to the glamorised _iews they would have had before going. If they can be debriefed, de-radicalised and stop just one more young Briton from being tempted to join the jihadist cause then I would say let them back."
No ones saying they dont believe in their cause , they only want to come back because they have not got the spirit for a fight,and their religion says life begins when you die so why want to run back here?, do they not believe in their own religion?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What happens if our boys and girls go AWOL in afgan etc....yep send them to colchester

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"British jihadist fighters have contacted a university in London to say they regret their decision to join Islamist extremists in the Middle East and want to come home. The 30-strong group of jihadists said they wanted to return home to Britain but were afraid they would be jailed if they did so.

Should they be allowed to come into Britain?

Should they be arrested if they do or do they have a right to resume their life as before?

"

I heard this story elsewhere and not sure if I believe it. That said, the idea merits discussion on account that some will be coming back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think there can only be a zero tolerance policy to these terrorists. They made the decision their British citizenship was worth nothing when they went to join these groups .What message as a country would it send, that we allow them to come back to the very country and people they so freely rejected?

Does our ability to forgive and accept not separate us from the evils we are seeing in Syria/Iraq etc and that demonstration of humanity could send a positive message to our multi-cultural society?? Could their return not be used as a massive PR/propoganda weapon?"
Or yet again show the world what a soft touch we are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I suspect the reality for many of those who have gone over there is very different to the glamorised _iews they would have had before going. If they can be debriefed, de-radicalised and stop just one more young Briton from being tempted to join the jihadist cause then I would say let them back.No ones saying they dont believe in their cause , they only want to come back because they have not got the spirit for a fight,and their religion says life begins when you die so why want to run back here?, do they not believe in their own religion? "

Maybe they have realised that the manipulation of their religion by those who seek to commit atrocities in its name is wrong and that their defection and experiences can be used to deter those who maybe tempted by fundamentally flawed extremist teachings??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let them stay where they are they chose to go there we don't want them back so NO fucking way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

These guys are religious extremists , they went to a foreign land to kill others ! if you think they will come back and return to a normal peaceful life then you are sadly misguided .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No they made their fucking bed if they come back to this country they should be banged up for terrorism charges I say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I say a resounding NO.

However our government are all lunatics so they will probably welcome them home with Flat Screen TV's, benefits and social housing....

Mrs Dolph xx

ps, God bless Lee Rigby and all those who've died at the hands of animals like these"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I suspect the reality for many of those who have gone over there is very different to the glamorised _iews they would have had before going. If they can be debriefed, de-radicalised and stop just one more young Briton from being tempted to join the jihadist cause then I would say let them back.No ones saying they dont believe in their cause , they only want to come back because they have not got the spirit for a fight,and their religion says life begins when you die so why want to run back here?, do they not believe in their own religion?

Maybe they have realised that the manipulation of their religion by those who seek to commit atrocities in its name is wrong and that their defection and experiences can be used to deter those who maybe tempted by fundamentally flawed extremist teachings??"
Your _iews are the reason why the country is in a mess and terrorism is rife within

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton


"I think there can only be a zero tolerance policy to these terrorists. They made the decision their British citizenship was worth nothing when they went to join these groups .What message as a country would it send, that we allow them to come back to the very country and people they so freely rejected?

Does our ability to forgive and accept not separate us from the evils we are seeing in Syria/Iraq etc and that demonstration of humanity could send a positive message to our multi-cultural society?? Could their return not be used as a massive PR/propoganda weapon?"

And what if they use their exclusion from ever setting foot on our shores again as the PR? Make the price of poker too high. Or are we mearly going to slap their wrists "oh poor souls come back all forgiven " , making a joke of any penalty for terrorism?

Just suppose for a second they come back and this triggers even one bombing or terrorist act in which YOU loose a loved one .Would you forgive and forget so easy then?

It nothing but a slap in the face for all the brave British woman and men who put there lives daily on the line to help protect not only our country but others from terror threats

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It could also be a ploy to recruit more if let back in."

That was my thoughts

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

wouldn't trust them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I suspect the reality for many of those who have gone over there is very different to the glamorised _iews they would have had before going. If they can be debriefed, de-radicalised and stop just one more young Briton from being tempted to join the jihadist cause then I would say let them back.No ones saying they dont believe in their cause , they only want to come back because they have not got the spirit for a fight,and their religion says life begins when you die so why want to run back here?, do they not believe in their own religion?

Maybe they have realised that the manipulation of their religion by those who seek to commit atrocities in its name is wrong and that their defection and experiences can be used to deter those who maybe tempted by fundamentally flawed extremist teachings?? Your _iews are the reason why the country is in a mess and terrorism is rife within "

For whatever reason these people wish to return to the UK. There are a number of ways in which this can be handled. I am suggesting that all _iews should be considered. Ultimately the situation both in Syria/Iraq and here needs collaboration with moderate Muslims to have an Islamic led solution and the strategies to achieve this leading to some form of lasting peace should be explored.

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By *ratty_DamselWoman
over a year ago

Greater London

If they are British, of course the government needs to accept them. That doesn't mean they get off any offence that can be proven against them if guilty.

However a close eye is then kept on them regardless of innocence for security reasons.

The expression of 'keep your friends close and your enemy even closer' springs to mind !!!

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady

Unusual for me to be the moderate but I don't see where this idea has come from of stopping people re-entering the country, who go abroad as mercenaries.

We would be appalled if Nepal refused Ghurka soldiers home.

I don't actually like or support what the jihadi have done or what they might do but as a free country that's their right. We should be arresting anyone that has broken British law

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They should visit inner city schools and talk to the students about their experience. Talk about how they were recruited and why they listened. Learn by other's mistakes "

Although my first reaction was no I kind of agree as want better person to recruit to stop a bank robbery than the robber himself!!!!

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By *uslaffMan
over a year ago

manchester


"British jihadist fighters have contacted a university in London to say they regret their decision to join Islamist extremists in the Middle East and want to come home. The 30-strong group of jihadists said they wanted to return home to Britain but were afraid they would be jailed if they did so.

Should they be allowed to come into Britain?

Should they be arrested if they do or do they have a right to resume their life as before?

"

They relinquished their "right" to live here at liberty,when they stepped on a plane,to go and support terrorists.......fuck em !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Let them back, and then film them all being beheaded on video to send to those ISIS scum to show them how WE deal with Jihadists in this country!

Who is this 'WE' ?

I'm certainly not in favour of replicating the brutality of the scum you refer to.

A"

I have a big-assed knife that would LOVE to meet these animals! It's the only language they understand. They know nothing about compassion or taking the moral high ground etc. They live by the rule of torture and death. Remember the Nazis and the Holocuast??

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Let them back, and then film them all being beheaded on video to send to those ISIS scum to show them how WE deal with Jihadists in this country!

Who is this 'WE' ?

I'm certainly not in favour of replicating the brutality of the scum you refer to.

A

I have a big-assed knife that would LOVE to meet these animals! It's the only language they understand. They know nothing about compassion or taking the moral high ground etc. They live by the rule of torture and death. Remember the Nazis and the Holocuast??"

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By *uslaffMan
over a year ago

manchester


"Y not, give tehm another chance, just like the bankers had lol."

Can't believe anyone of 31,can be so cretinous.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"Let them back, and then film them all being beheaded on video to send to those ISIS scum to show them how WE deal with Jihadists in this country!

Who is this 'WE' ?

I'm certainly not in favour of replicating the brutality of the scum you refer to.

A

I have a big-assed knife that would LOVE to meet these animals! It's the only language they understand. They know nothing about compassion or taking the moral high ground etc. They live by the rule of torture and death. Remember the Nazis and the Holocuast??"

you seem to fit right in with them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cynical old me would think they are relying on the British sense of fair play and being allowed back into the country as they are British.

I think this is just a ploy to spread more mayhem and terrorism in this country.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Let them back, and then film them all being beheaded on video to send to those ISIS scum to show them how WE deal with Jihadists in this country!

Who is this 'WE' ?

I'm certainly not in favour of replicating the brutality of the scum you refer to.

A

I have a big-assed knife that would LOVE to meet these animals! It's the only language they understand. They know nothing about compassion or taking the moral high ground etc. They live by the rule of torture and death. Remember the Nazis and the Holocuast??"

Its ok to get frustrated but please cut the crap everyone knows anyone who would do that would not speak it never mind type it. The Holocaust is another issue totally. A lot of these people who went abroad you need to remember were going to fight initially to help the oppressed in Syria so tarring everyone isn't fair there will be many who have made a mistake on this issue and slicing them up is extreme to say the least.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

I believe they could travel on their British passport - however there is no absolute legal right for the officer at the border control point to allow them to cross the line back in to uk. The recent introduction of new border control powers would allow the authorities to immediately detain them the moment their British passport is scanned at any of the entry points to the uk.

Or have I accidentally put my rose tinted glasses on again!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think there can only be a zero tolerance policy to these terrorists. They made the decision their British citizenship was worth nothing when they went to join these groups .What message as a country would it send, that we allow them to come back to the very country and people they so freely rejected?

Does our ability to forgive and accept not separate us from the evils we are seeing in Syria/Iraq etc and that demonstration of humanity could send a positive message to our multi-cultural society?? Could their return not be used as a massive PR/propoganda weapon?

And what if they use their exclusion from ever setting foot on our shores again as the PR? Make the price of poker too high. Or are we mearly going to slap their wrists "oh poor souls come back all forgiven " , making a joke of any penalty for terrorism?

Just suppose for a second they come back and this triggers even one bombing or terrorist act in which YOU loose a loved one .Would you forgive and forget so easy then?

It nothing but a slap in the face for all the brave British woman and men who put there lives daily on the line to help protect not only our country but others from terror threats "

You only have to see what has happened with the IRA to realise things can work perpetuating hostilities is a certain way to lead to more death and misery.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes they should be allowed home they ve admitted a mistake although not sure helping people of similar beliefs is a mistake so come on let's give them a chance we certainly would

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cynical old me would think they are relying on the British sense of fair play and being allowed back into the country as they are British.

I think this is just a ploy to spread more mayhem and terrorism in this country."

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen


"I've got a great idea, we could let them back in to the country, change their identity (to protect their human rights from those that might want to harass them), provide them with housing and keep them and their families comfortable on state-provided benefits paid for by yours and my taxes.

Ha ha, crazy notion I know, like THAT would ever happen!"

That would never happen in this country!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations.

This sounds slightly naive to me, in my opinion if they are allowed back they will just disappear into the community that they're from. And then you'll have trained soldiers who've proven already that they have no bother killing when called upon.

No I didn't suggest they were allowed to disappear I was asking a question or questions on the general _iew of people on this but would agree to let them go freely back into society isn't a good one. However people can't just be arrested and detained indefinitely in the UK it would be illegal."

Have they repealed the internment laws ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cynical old me would think they are relying on the British sense of fair play and being allowed back into the country as they are British.

I think this is just a ploy to spread more mayhem and terrorism in this country."

This.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This a problem we must deal with locking them out will create another problem the answer is nt more violence and oppression it's dialogue ,tolerance and integration

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations.

This sounds slightly naive to me, in my opinion if they are allowed back they will just disappear into the community that they're from. And then you'll have trained soldiers who've proven already that they have no bother killing when called upon.

No I didn't suggest they were allowed to disappear I was asking a question or questions on the general _iew of people on this but would agree to let them go freely back into society isn't a good one. However people can't just be arrested and detained indefinitely in the UK it would be illegal.

Have they repealed the internment laws ? "

Internment isn't an option in peace time is it and I don't think we have declared war on any country especially our own recently. Thats why the US have Guantanamo in Cuba as its a legal loophole with a recognition issue.

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By *ratty_DamselWoman
over a year ago

Greater London

If someone is British they are entitled to benefits etc regardless of history. To say they are being made too comfortable is ridiculous.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"This a problem we must deal with locking them out will create another problem the answer is nt more violence and oppression it's dialogue ,tolerance and integration"

Yes. It is the only long term answer and we must show the way.

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By *uppy ConquerorMan
over a year ago

dundee


"so who is going to do all this beheading ?

Advertise in the job centre Im sure there would be no shortage of candidates,failing that an electrinic guillotine type thingy majig...cant be that hard to knock up?"
The job center would probably knock this out as a work placement and be happy to pay your travel expenses on top of your giro

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I don't know if they have personally done terrible things but I know there are people in this country that display terrible hatred, utter determination to inflict hurt and pain on others because of their religion, political persuasion, sexuality & even football team.

We can at times be no different

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"I don't know if they have personally done terrible things but I know there are people in this country that display terrible hatred, utter determination to inflict hurt and pain on others because of their religion, political persuasion, sexuality & even football team.

We can at times be no different"

Borne out by some posts on this thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cynical old me would think they are relying on the British sense of fair play and being allowed back into the country as they are British.

I think this is just a ploy to spread more mayhem and terrorism in this country."

However, Britain has many years experience of waging war against terrorism, IRA being a case in point. Therefore I don't think British forces and powers that be, are naive enough to take the returning jihadis at face value and are sure extract every piece of information they can from them and use them as tools against their own propoganda.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"I don't know if they have personally done terrible things but I know there are people in this country that display terrible hatred, utter determination to inflict hurt and pain on others because of their religion, political persuasion, sexuality & even football team.

We can at times be no different"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd say no. Everybody told them not to go. Everyone within their communities told them not to go. Their scriptures told them not to go and that their actions won't be justified. They made their choice - this isn't a joke.

Their actions has had wider repercussions which they did not consider. I got no patience for people like that. This isn't a game. They need to learn a lesson.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd say no. Everybody told them not to go. Everyone within their communities told them not to go. Their scriptures told them not to go and that their actions won't be justified. They made their choice - this isn't a joke.

Their actions has had wider repercussions which they did not consider. I got no patience for people like that. This isn't a game. They need to learn a lesson.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"I'd say no. Everybody told them not to go. Everyone within their communities told them not to go. Their scriptures told them not to go and that their actions won't be justified. They made their choice - this isn't a joke.

Their actions has had wider repercussions which they did not consider. I got no patience for people like that. This isn't a game. They need to learn a lesson.

"

I suspect they are wired differently to the normal man on the street (in most cases!!) so I don't think they will be overly upset, remorseful or "learn a lesson" by not being allowed back in to the uk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a difficult one to call! The government is damned if they do and damned if they don't. It's one thing to cancel the passport and refuse entry to a naturalised citizen but I don't think they can do it to a British born person no matter what they may have done abroad. I for one would trust none of them back in this country. If you do to them what IS have done to others whatch the rest of the world turn against the uk. My gut feeling is that they will be allowed back to face questioning because England is still one of the most civilised country's in the world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cynical old me would think they are relying on the British sense of fair play and being allowed back into the country as they are British.

I think this is just a ploy to spread more mayhem and terrorism in this country."

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

Not read the whole thread so I`m going to say let them in if they grass up all those who have gone and continue to cause trouble and the "punishment" for those who do so is at least 200 hours of comunity service at OAP centres or disabled centres. No good fining them. If they refuse, we refuse! Good riddance to bad rubbish!

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts


"Have they had a genuine change of heart? "

yep, have they?? or do they think its a chance to come back to england and cause mayhem or recruit more??

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!


"Not read the whole thread so I`m going to say let them in if they grass up all those who have gone and continue to cause trouble and the "punishment" for those who do so is at least 200 hours of comunity service at OAP centres or disabled centres. No good fining them. If they refuse, we refuse! Good riddance to bad rubbish!"

And no access to IT communication scources either! Even if this means they have to be kept under lock and key until they`ve served their penalty!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations.

This sounds slightly naive to me, in my opinion if they are allowed back they will just disappear into the community that they're from. And then you'll have trained soldiers who've proven already that they have no bother killing when called upon.

No I didn't suggest they were allowed to disappear I was asking a question or questions on the general _iew of people on this but would agree to let them go freely back into society isn't a good one. However people can't just be arrested and detained indefinitely in the UK it would be illegal.

Have they repealed the internment laws ?

Internment isn't an option in peace time is it and I don't think we have declared war on any country especially our own recently. Thats why the US have Guantanamo in Cuba as its a legal loophole with a recognition issue."

Internment has been used in Ireland when we wasn't at war with them.

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"I'd say no. Everybody told them not to go. Everyone within their communities told them not to go. Their scriptures told them not to go and that their actions won't be justified. They made their choice - this isn't a joke.

Their actions has had wider repercussions which they did not consider. I got no patience for people like that. This isn't a game. They need to learn a lesson.

"

I agree with all you say pops.

Except for one thing. If we don't allow them back, thoroughly interrogate them to find out motivations, contacts, travel movements etc, then where do they go?

Into the hands of other extremists to cause terror abroad? Allow them to sneak back in unnoticed (it's not that hard else there would be no illegal immigration problem and no people trafficking gangs making fortunes!) to slip under the radar and plan future atrocities?

Short of lining them up and shooting them (as previous posters seem happy to volunteer for!) what's the solution?

Would you rather have someone on a watch list, under surveillance, their movements monitored, their communications listened to and restricted - or just hope they don't appear at a later date unannounced and with a finger on a trigger?

Because simply preventing them from re-entering the uk at this point won't prevent it happening in the future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd say no. Everybody told them not to go. Everyone within their communities told them not to go. Their scriptures told them not to go and that their actions won't be justified. They made their choice - this isn't a joke.

Their actions has had wider repercussions which they did not consider. I got no patience for people like that. This isn't a game. They need to learn a lesson.

I agree with all you say pops.

Except for one thing. If we don't allow them back, thoroughly interrogate them to find out motivations, contacts, travel movements etc, then where do they go?

Into the hands of other extremists to cause terror abroad? Allow them to sneak back in unnoticed (it's not that hard else there would be no illegal immigration problem and no people trafficking gangs making fortunes!) to slip under the radar and plan future atrocities?

Short of lining them up and shooting them (as previous posters seem happy to volunteer for!) what's the solution?

Would you rather have someone on a watch list, under surveillance, their movements monitored, their communications listened to and restricted - or just hope they don't appear at a later date unannounced and with a finger on a trigger?

Because simply preventing them from re-entering the uk at this point won't prevent it happening in the future.

A"
absolutely spot on time to deal with the problem barring them will make the problem bigger !

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations.

This sounds slightly naive to me, in my opinion if they are allowed back they will just disappear into the community that they're from. And then you'll have trained soldiers who've proven already that they have no bother killing when called upon.

No I didn't suggest they were allowed to disappear I was asking a question or questions on the general _iew of people on this but would agree to let them go freely back into society isn't a good one. However people can't just be arrested and detained indefinitely in the UK it would be illegal.

Have they repealed the internment laws ?

Internment isn't an option in peace time is it and I don't think we have declared war on any country especially our own recently. Thats why the US have Guantanamo in Cuba as its a legal loophole with a recognition issue.

Internment has been used in Ireland when we wasn't at war with them. "

It's not a matter of repealing laws and I didn't want to put you down but if you are going to be pedantic on this then I will put it in black and white as you seem to lack the knowledge. The internment act was repealed in 1950 It was used again in 1971 when the government claimed it was amidst of a civil war in Ireland it wasn't law at the time special powers were sort under the Civil Authorities Act as a short term measure and is not currently on the statute book for use. The longest you can be held without charge for up to 14 days If you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act. Feel free to dispute it but get your facts first.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is an important issue!! Can't people hold their reunions elsewhere please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"so who is going to do all this beheading ?

"

A halal butcher?

Here's my idea. Set up clandestine meetings overseas with some of these jihadists, pump them for information, then leave them there and send their details over to IS. Eventually they'll all end up killing each other through distrust and disinformation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's a difficult one to call! The government is damned if they do and damned if they don't. It's one thing to cancel the passport and refuse entry to a naturalised citizen but I don't think they can do it to a British born person no matter what they may have done abroad. I for one would trust none of them back in this country. If you do to them what IS have done to others whatch the rest of the world turn against the uk. My gut feeling is that they will be allowed back to face questioning because England is still one of the most civilised country's in the world."

I've seen a couple of comments saying that a person can't be without a country or citizenship of someone naturally born in a country can't be stripped but there is precedent for both, internationally. The uk would either have the ability in place or legislature can be passed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Our government told us that Assad had used chemical weapons on his own people, the media showed us horrific images of women and children being killed by what we were told was a brutal corrupt regime. Cameron took the matter to parliament with the intent of taking us to war against Syria to support the 'rebels' (many of whom are now Islamic State) to stop this horrendous butchery.

Cameron lost the vote, if he hadn't, the Britons wanting to return home would be our troops.

I believe some of these 'jihadists' are young men who decided to go and fight against Assad for the same reasons Cameron wanted to.

Some of them have clearly been caught up in something that has completely changed.

I am not saying that what they have done is acceptable, but I know that had Cameron won the vote, we would have been militarily supporting groups that are now key parts of the Islamic State.

The craziest part of this is that we are now seriously considering allying ourselves with Assad in order to confront IS.

Let them come home, debrief them thoroughly, monitor them closely and use them to deter others. Their voices are much more likely to resonate with the target audience.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

Someone mentioned that these guys aren't members of ISIS, and that they went to Syria to fight against Asad, in which case I would say they are a lot less of a threat, and should be inter_iewed by the security services with a _iew to letting them back, especially if they can be used to help persuade other muslim boys that being radicalised is not a great lifestyle choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Our government told us that Assad had used chemical weapons on his own people, the media showed us horrific images of women and children being killed by what we were told was a brutal corrupt regime. Cameron took the matter to parliament with the intent of taking us to war against Syria to support the 'rebels' (many of whom are now Islamic State) to stop this horrendous butchery.

Cameron lost the vote, if he hadn't, the Britons wanting to return home would be our troops.

I believe some of these 'jihadists' are young men who decided to go and fight against Assad for the same reasons Cameron wanted to.

Some of them have clearly been caught up in something that has completely changed.

I am not saying that what they have done is acceptable, but I know that had Cameron won the vote, we would have been militarily supporting groups that are now key parts of the Islamic State.

The craziest part of this is that we are now seriously considering allying ourselves with Assad in order to confront IS.

Let them come home, debrief them thoroughly, monitor them closely and use them to deter others. Their voices are much more likely to resonate with the target audience. "

With all due respect to you and others who have suggested that, i disagree. I think it far more likely that once let back in those young men would find themselves outsiders within their communities and subject to distrust from within their communities as well as wider society. As such, their voices won't resonate with many, at all. And it just might push them to acts against their conscience just to reestablish themselves and reconnect with their roots.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations.

This sounds slightly naive to me, in my opinion if they are allowed back they will just disappear into the community that they're from. And then you'll have trained soldiers who've proven already that they have no bother killing when called upon.

No I didn't suggest they were allowed to disappear I was asking a question or questions on the general _iew of people on this but would agree to let them go freely back into society isn't a good one. However people can't just be arrested and detained indefinitely in the UK it would be illegal.

Have they repealed the internment laws ?

Internment isn't an option in peace time is it and I don't think we have declared war on any country especially our own recently. Thats why the US have Guantanamo in Cuba as its a legal loophole with a recognition issue.

Internment has been used in Ireland when we wasn't at war with them.

It's not a matter of repealing laws and I didn't want to put you down but if you are going to be pedantic on this then I will put it in black and white as you seem to lack the knowledge. The internment act was repealed in 1950 It was used again in 1971 when the government claimed it was amidst of a civil war in Ireland it wasn't law at the time special powers were sort under the Civil Authorities Act as a short term measure and is not currently on the statute book for use. The longest you can be held without charge for up to 14 days If you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act. Feel free to dispute it but get your facts first. "

Blimey Ron who's poured sugar on your sprouts , I was only asking a question I don't think there was any need for that.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"The guys wanting to come home if I've heard right, aren't jihadists, they went to help Syrians fight against Asad and his regime, but that fight has turned in to a factious squabble.

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Yes, but you should know by now that the truth shouldn't get in the way of a good story.....

FWIW, My Grandad went to fight Franco and he was let back in.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How many people can we actually monitor safely and cost effectively ? . Of course they will admit to all their wrong doings say sorry fit straight back in to british society and alls well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I suspect the reality for many of those who have gone over there is very different to the glamorised _iews they would have had before going. If they can be debriefed, de-radicalised and stop just one more young Briton from being tempted to join the jihadist cause then I would say let them back.No ones saying they dont believe in their cause , they only want to come back because they have not got the spirit for a fight,and their religion says life begins when you die so why want to run back here?, do they not believe in their own religion?

Maybe they have realised that the manipulation of their religion by those who seek to commit atrocities in its name is wrong and that their defection and experiences can be used to deter those who maybe tempted by fundamentally flawed extremist teachings?? Your _iews are the reason why the country is in a mess and terrorism is rife within "

And a sweeping refusal to tolerate the opinion of another is the reason for its perpetuation.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations.

This sounds slightly naive to me, in my opinion if they are allowed back they will just disappear into the community that they're from. And then you'll have trained soldiers who've proven already that they have no bother killing when called upon.

No I didn't suggest they were allowed to disappear I was asking a question or questions on the general _iew of people on this but would agree to let them go freely back into society isn't a good one. However people can't just be arrested and detained indefinitely in the UK it would be illegal.

Have they repealed the internment laws ?

Internment isn't an option in peace time is it and I don't think we have declared war on any country especially our own recently. Thats why the US have Guantanamo in Cuba as its a legal loophole with a recognition issue.

Internment has been used in Ireland when we wasn't at war with them.

It's not a matter of repealing laws and I didn't want to put you down but if you are going to be pedantic on this then I will put it in black and white as you seem to lack the knowledge. The internment act was repealed in 1950 It was used again in 1971 when the government claimed it was amidst of a civil war in Ireland it wasn't law at the time special powers were sort under the Civil Authorities Act as a short term measure and is not currently on the statute book for use. The longest you can be held without charge for up to 14 days If you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act. Feel free to dispute it but get your facts first.

Blimey Ron who's poured sugar on your sprouts , I was only asking a question I don't think there was any need for that. "

Mr P you weren't though were you as you your intent wasn't in having a question answered it was in a different manner as per norm more on the sarcasm or pedantic vein. If thats not your intention or didn't realise thats how you can come across you do now. I am not intending to brow beat you more responding in an equal measure to your own so if you feel its sugar on sprouts then maybe an inward look might shine light on how it can look from the other angle. Food for thought though not sweetened sprouts.

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over a year ago


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations.

This sounds slightly naive to me, in my opinion if they are allowed back they will just disappear into the community that they're from. And then you'll have trained soldiers who've proven already that they have no bother killing when called upon.

No I didn't suggest they were allowed to disappear I was asking a question or questions on the general _iew of people on this but would agree to let them go freely back into society isn't a good one. However people can't just be arrested and detained indefinitely in the UK it would be illegal.

Have they repealed the internment laws ?

Internment isn't an option in peace time is it and I don't think we have declared war on any country especially our own recently. Thats why the US have Guantanamo in Cuba as its a legal loophole with a recognition issue.

Internment has been used in Ireland when we wasn't at war with them.

It's not a matter of repealing laws and I didn't want to put you down but if you are going to be pedantic on this then I will put it in black and white as you seem to lack the knowledge. The internment act was repealed in 1950 It was used again in 1971 when the government claimed it was amidst of a civil war in Ireland it wasn't law at the time special powers were sort under the Civil Authorities Act as a short term measure and is not currently on the statute book for use. The longest you can be held without charge for up to 14 days If you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act. Feel free to dispute it but get your facts first.

Blimey Ron who's poured sugar on your sprouts , I was only asking a question I don't think there was any need for that.

Mr P you weren't though were you as you your intent wasn't in having a question answered it was in a different manner as per norm more on the sarcasm or pedantic vein. If thats not your intention or didn't realise thats how you can come across you do now. I am not intending to brow beat you more responding in an equal measure to your own so if you feel its sugar on sprouts then maybe an inward look might shine light on how it can look from the other angle. Food for thought though not sweetened sprouts. "

I think your looking for something that isn't there.

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over a year ago


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations.

This sounds slightly naive to me, in my opinion if they are allowed back they will just disappear into the community that they're from. And then you'll have trained soldiers who've proven already that they have no bother killing when called upon.

No I didn't suggest they were allowed to disappear I was asking a question or questions on the general _iew of people on this but would agree to let them go freely back into society isn't a good one. However people can't just be arrested and detained indefinitely in the UK it would be illegal.

Have they repealed the internment laws ?

Internment isn't an option in peace time is it and I don't think we have declared war on any country especially our own recently. Thats why the US have Guantanamo in Cuba as its a legal loophole with a recognition issue.

Internment has been used in Ireland when we wasn't at war with them.

It's not a matter of repealing laws and I didn't want to put you down but if you are going to be pedantic on this then I will put it in black and white as you seem to lack the knowledge. The internment act was repealed in 1950 It was used again in 1971 when the government claimed it was amidst of a civil war in Ireland it wasn't law at the time special powers were sort under the Civil Authorities Act as a short term measure and is not currently on the statute book for use. The longest you can be held without charge for up to 14 days If you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act. Feel free to dispute it but get your facts first.

Blimey Ron who's poured sugar on your sprouts , I was only asking a question I don't think there was any need for that.

Mr P you weren't though were you as you your intent wasn't in having a question answered it was in a different manner as per norm more on the sarcasm or pedantic vein. If thats not your intention or didn't realise thats how you can come across you do now. I am not intending to brow beat you more responding in an equal measure to your own so if you feel its sugar on sprouts then maybe an inward look might shine light on how it can look from the other angle. Food for thought though not sweetened sprouts.

I think your looking for something that isn't there. "

No I am not far from it, people rare see themselves as others do they are the last to see their own mannerisms and how they come across.

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over a year ago

These people dont go out to kill as such. They go out with the promise of helping a cause, to become a better muslim, to live a free life with other muslims etc etc. They are tricked into it. It is very easy to convince young British muslims that they have a duty to go over. Of course, they realise soon enough they have made mistake. Passports taken away, enter training camps, live a life very different to what they expected. Believe it or not, I do have sympathy for them too but I understand why people will not want them back in Britain. It is an unnecessary risk to do so. Going out there is a mistake, but it has a high price to pay too. I find it difficult to say they should be allowed back.

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over a year ago


"These people dont go out to kill as such. They go out with the promise of helping a cause, to become a better muslim, to live a free life with other muslims etc etc. They are tricked into it. It is very easy to convince young British muslims that they have a duty to go over. Of course, they realise soon enough they have made mistake. Passports taken away, enter training camps, live a life very different to what they expected. Believe it or not, I do have sympathy for them too but I understand why people will not want them back in Britain. It is an unnecessary risk to do so. Going out there is a mistake, but it has a high price to pay too. I find it difficult to say they should be allowed back. "

Some may do others have gone out specifically to kill the clips uploaded they clearly say that. I would say though they are the minority but a fair sized minority.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Our government told us that Assad had used chemical weapons on his own people, the media showed us horrific images of women and children being killed by what we were told was a brutal corrupt regime. Cameron took the matter to parliament with the intent of taking us to war against Syria to support the 'rebels' (many of whom are now Islamic State) to stop this horrendous butchery.

Cameron lost the vote, if he hadn't, the Britons wanting to return home would be our troops.

I believe some of these 'jihadists' are young men who decided to go and fight against Assad for the same reasons Cameron wanted to.

Some of them have clearly been caught up in something that has completely changed.

I am not saying that what they have done is acceptable, but I know that had Cameron won the vote, we would have been militarily supporting groups that are now key parts of the Islamic State.

The craziest part of this is that we are now seriously considering allying ourselves with Assad in order to confront IS.

Let them come home, debrief them thoroughly, monitor them closely and use them to deter others. Their voices are much more likely to resonate with the target audience.

With all due respect to you and others who have suggested that, i disagree. I think it far more likely that once let back in those young men would find themselves outsiders within their communities and subject to distrust from within their communities as well as wider society. As such, their voices won't resonate with many, at all. And it just might push them to acts against their conscience just to reestablish themselves and reconnect with their roots. "

Their voice would resonate with anyone considering making the same choices they have made. They could help others to accept that the West is not the enemy, but extremism is.

It's easy to be closed to a different approach, but if we keep doing the same thing lets not expect different outcomes.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Is it any different to the young British men and women that went to fight in Spain in the 30s?

Yes they should return. They should face the charges and they will be more powerful in speaking to other young people about why it's a bad idea than any preacher.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"These people dont go out to kill as such. They go out with the promise of helping a cause, to become a better muslim, to live a free life with other muslims etc etc. They are tricked into it. It is very easy to convince young British muslims that they have a duty to go over. Of course, they realise soon enough they have made mistake. Passports taken away, enter training camps, live a life very different to what they expected. Believe it or not, I do have sympathy for them too but I understand why people will not want them back in Britain. It is an unnecessary risk to do so. Going out there is a mistake, but it has a high price to pay too. I find it difficult to say they should be allowed back.

Some may do others have gone out specifically to kill the clips uploaded they clearly say that. I would say though they are the minority but a fair sized minority. "

Yes agree with that

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over a year ago


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations.

This sounds slightly naive to me, in my opinion if they are allowed back they will just disappear into the community that they're from. And then you'll have trained soldiers who've proven already that they have no bother killing when called upon.

No I didn't suggest they were allowed to disappear I was asking a question or questions on the general _iew of people on this but would agree to let them go freely back into society isn't a good one. However people can't just be arrested and detained indefinitely in the UK it would be illegal.

Have they repealed the internment laws ?

Internment isn't an option in peace time is it and I don't think we have declared war on any country especially our own recently. Thats why the US have Guantanamo in Cuba as its a legal loophole with a recognition issue.

Internment has been used in Ireland when we wasn't at war with them.

It's not a matter of repealing laws and I didn't want to put you down but if you are going to be pedantic on this then I will put it in black and white as you seem to lack the knowledge. The internment act was repealed in 1950 It was used again in 1971 when the government claimed it was amidst of a civil war in Ireland it wasn't law at the time special powers were sort under the Civil Authorities Act as a short term measure and is not currently on the statute book for use. The longest you can be held without charge for up to 14 days If you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act. Feel free to dispute it but get your facts first.

Blimey Ron who's poured sugar on your sprouts , I was only asking a question I don't think there was any need for that.

Mr P you weren't though were you as you your intent wasn't in having a question answered it was in a different manner as per norm more on the sarcasm or pedantic vein. If thats not your intention or didn't realise thats how you can come across you do now. I am not intending to brow beat you more responding in an equal measure to your own so if you feel its sugar on sprouts then maybe an inward look might shine light on how it can look from the other angle. Food for thought though not sweetened sprouts.

I think your looking for something that isn't there.

No I am not far from it, people rare see themselves as others do they are the last to see their own mannerisms and how they come across. "

You can tell all this from a simple question I posed.

This isn't the first time you have jumped down my throat for commenting on something, and you always try to imply I am lacking knowledge or am a bit thick. If you don't like my posts just ignore them there's no need to get insulting.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Is it any different to the young British men and women that went to fight in Spain in the 30s?

Yes they should return. They should face the charges and they will be more powerful in speaking to other young people about why it's a bad idea than any preacher.

"

If you tolerate this, then your children will be next.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

If they can prove after de briefing they regret what they did,then can be used to stop others making there mistake.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations.

This sounds slightly naive to me, in my opinion if they are allowed back they will just disappear into the community that they're from. And then you'll have trained soldiers who've proven already that they have no bother killing when called upon.

No I didn't suggest they were allowed to disappear I was asking a question or questions on the general _iew of people on this but would agree to let them go freely back into society isn't a good one. However people can't just be arrested and detained indefinitely in the UK it would be illegal.

Have they repealed the internment laws ?

Internment isn't an option in peace time is it and I don't think we have declared war on any country especially our own recently. Thats why the US have Guantanamo in Cuba as its a legal loophole with a recognition issue.

Internment has been used in Ireland when we wasn't at war with them.

It's not a matter of repealing laws and I didn't want to put you down but if you are going to be pedantic on this then I will put it in black and white as you seem to lack the knowledge. The internment act was repealed in 1950 It was used again in 1971 when the government claimed it was amidst of a civil war in Ireland it wasn't law at the time special powers were sort under the Civil Authorities Act as a short term measure and is not currently on the statute book for use. The longest you can be held without charge for up to 14 days If you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act. Feel free to dispute it but get your facts first.

Blimey Ron who's poured sugar on your sprouts , I was only asking a question I don't think there was any need for that.

Mr P you weren't though were you as you your intent wasn't in having a question answered it was in a different manner as per norm more on the sarcasm or pedantic vein. If thats not your intention or didn't realise thats how you can come across you do now. I am not intending to brow beat you more responding in an equal measure to your own so if you feel its sugar on sprouts then maybe an inward look might shine light on how it can look from the other angle. Food for thought though not sweetened sprouts.

I think your looking for something that isn't there.

No I am not far from it, people rare see themselves as others do they are the last to see their own mannerisms and how they come across.

You can tell all this from a simple question I posed.

This isn't the first time you have jumped down my throat for commenting on something, and you always try to imply I am lacking knowledge or am a bit thick. If you don't like my posts just ignore them there's no need to get insulting. "

You do it all the time FFS

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The guys wanting to come home if I've heard right, aren't jihadists, they went to help Syrians fight against Asad and his regime, but that fight has turned in to a factious squabble.

Yes, but you should know by now that the truth shouldn't get in the way of a good story.....

FWIW, My Grandad went to fight Franco and he was let back in....."

I've just started reading up the thread. Yes, those lovely white young men (and women) who went to fight then were let back in.

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over a year ago


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations.

This sounds slightly naive to me, in my opinion if they are allowed back they will just disappear into the community that they're from. And then you'll have trained soldiers who've proven already that they have no bother killing when called upon.

No I didn't suggest they were allowed to disappear I was asking a question or questions on the general _iew of people on this but would agree to let them go freely back into society isn't a good one. However people can't just be arrested and detained indefinitely in the UK it would be illegal.

Have they repealed the internment laws ?

Internment isn't an option in peace time is it and I don't think we have declared war on any country especially our own recently. Thats why the US have Guantanamo in Cuba as its a legal loophole with a recognition issue.

Internment has been used in Ireland when we wasn't at war with them.

It's not a matter of repealing laws and I didn't want to put you down but if you are going to be pedantic on this then I will put it in black and white as you seem to lack the knowledge. The internment act was repealed in 1950 It was used again in 1971 when the government claimed it was amidst of a civil war in Ireland it wasn't law at the time special powers were sort under the Civil Authorities Act as a short term measure and is not currently on the statute book for use. The longest you can be held without charge for up to 14 days If you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act. Feel free to dispute it but get your facts first.

Blimey Ron who's poured sugar on your sprouts , I was only asking a question I don't think there was any need for that.

Mr P you weren't though were you as you your intent wasn't in having a question answered it was in a different manner as per norm more on the sarcasm or pedantic vein. If thats not your intention or didn't realise thats how you can come across you do now. I am not intending to brow beat you more responding in an equal measure to your own so if you feel its sugar on sprouts then maybe an inward look might shine light on how it can look from the other angle. Food for thought though not sweetened sprouts.

I think your looking for something that isn't there.

No I am not far from it, people rare see themselves as others do they are the last to see their own mannerisms and how they come across.

You can tell all this from a simple question I posed.

This isn't the first time you have jumped down my throat for commenting on something, and you always try to imply I am lacking knowledge or am a bit thick. If you don't like my posts just ignore them there's no need to get insulting.

You do it all the time FFS "

I do what all the time ? Please point out where I have insulted someone or called them thick.

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over a year ago


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations.

This sounds slightly naive to me, in my opinion if they are allowed back they will just disappear into the community that they're from. And then you'll have trained soldiers who've proven already that they have no bother killing when called upon.

No I didn't suggest they were allowed to disappear I was asking a question or questions on the general _iew of people on this but would agree to let them go freely back into society isn't a good one. However people can't just be arrested and detained indefinitely in the UK it would be illegal.

Have they repealed the internment laws ?

Internment isn't an option in peace time is it and I don't think we have declared war on any country especially our own recently. Thats why the US have Guantanamo in Cuba as its a legal loophole with a recognition issue.

Internment has been used in Ireland when we wasn't at war with them.

It's not a matter of repealing laws and I didn't want to put you down but if you are going to be pedantic on this then I will put it in black and white as you seem to lack the knowledge. The internment act was repealed in 1950 It was used again in 1971 when the government claimed it was amidst of a civil war in Ireland it wasn't law at the time special powers were sort under the Civil Authorities Act as a short term measure and is not currently on the statute book for use. The longest you can be held without charge for up to 14 days If you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act. Feel free to dispute it but get your facts first.

Blimey Ron who's poured sugar on your sprouts , I was only asking a question I don't think there was any need for that.

Mr P you weren't though were you as you your intent wasn't in having a question answered it was in a different manner as per norm more on the sarcasm or pedantic vein. If thats not your intention or didn't realise thats how you can come across you do now. I am not intending to brow beat you more responding in an equal measure to your own so if you feel its sugar on sprouts then maybe an inward look might shine light on how it can look from the other angle. Food for thought though not sweetened sprouts.

I think your looking for something that isn't there.

No I am not far from it, people rare see themselves as others do they are the last to see their own mannerisms and how they come across.

You can tell all this from a simple question I posed.

This isn't the first time you have jumped down my throat for commenting on something, and you always try to imply I am lacking knowledge or am a bit thick. If you don't like my posts just ignore them there's no need to get insulting. "

Ah there it is harbouring resentment that's your motive and the reason for your actions. Well I don't do it all the time far from it and why not follow your own advice on posts as you quoted and asked me something you could have googled and found out you were wrong (being wrong is lack of knowledge by the way) on rather than trying to be cleaver and end up looking the opposite.

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"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations.

This sounds slightly naive to me, in my opinion if they are allowed back they will just disappear into the community that they're from. And then you'll have trained soldiers who've proven already that they have no bother killing when called upon.

No I didn't suggest they were allowed to disappear I was asking a question or questions on the general _iew of people on this but would agree to let them go freely back into society isn't a good one. However people can't just be arrested and detained indefinitely in the UK it would be illegal.

Have they repealed the internment laws ?

Internment isn't an option in peace time is it and I don't think we have declared war on any country especially our own recently. Thats why the US have Guantanamo in Cuba as its a legal loophole with a recognition issue.

Internment has been used in Ireland when we wasn't at war with them.

It's not a matter of repealing laws and I didn't want to put you down but if you are going to be pedantic on this then I will put it in black and white as you seem to lack the knowledge. The internment act was repealed in 1950 It was used again in 1971 when the government claimed it was amidst of a civil war in Ireland it wasn't law at the time special powers were sort under the Civil Authorities Act as a short term measure and is not currently on the statute book for use. The longest you can be held without charge for up to 14 days If you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act. Feel free to dispute it but get your facts first.

Blimey Ron who's poured sugar on your sprouts , I was only asking a question I don't think there was any need for that.

Mr P you weren't though were you as you your intent wasn't in having a question answered it was in a different manner as per norm more on the sarcasm or pedantic vein. If thats not your intention or didn't realise thats how you can come across you do now. I am not intending to brow beat you more responding in an equal measure to your own so if you feel its sugar on sprouts then maybe an inward look might shine light on how it can look from the other angle. Food for thought though not sweetened sprouts.

I think your looking for something that isn't there.

No I am not far from it, people rare see themselves as others do they are the last to see their own mannerisms and how they come across.

You can tell all this from a simple question I posed.

This isn't the first time you have jumped down my throat for commenting on something, and you always try to imply I am lacking knowledge or am a bit thick. If you don't like my posts just ignore them there's no need to get insulting.

You do it all the time FFS

I do what all the time ? Please point out where I have insulted someone or called them thick. "

The sarcasm the putdowns you come out with! don't do it then people wont pull you on it!

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By *icefellatwoMan
over a year ago

hastings


"British jihadist fighters have contacted a university in London to say they regret their decision to join Islamist extremists in the Middle East and want to come home. The 30-strong group of jihadists said they wanted to return home to Britain but were afraid they would be jailed if they did so.

Should they be allowed to come into Britain?

Should they be arrested if they do or do they have a right to resume their life as before?

"

Yes we should allow them back in.

Then give them to the families of those who have been beheaded to deal with !

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over a year ago


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations.

This sounds slightly naive to me, in my opinion if they are allowed back they will just disappear into the community that they're from. And then you'll have trained soldiers who've proven already that they have no bother killing when called upon.

No I didn't suggest they were allowed to disappear I was asking a question or questions on the general _iew of people on this but would agree to let them go freely back into society isn't a good one. However people can't just be arrested and detained indefinitely in the UK it would be illegal.

Have they repealed the internment laws ?

Internment isn't an option in peace time is it and I don't think we have declared war on any country especially our own recently. Thats why the US have Guantanamo in Cuba as its a legal loophole with a recognition issue.

Internment has been used in Ireland when we wasn't at war with them.

It's not a matter of repealing laws and I didn't want to put you down but if you are going to be pedantic on this then I will put it in black and white as you seem to lack the knowledge. The internment act was repealed in 1950 It was used again in 1971 when the government claimed it was amidst of a civil war in Ireland it wasn't law at the time special powers were sort under the Civil Authorities Act as a short term measure and is not currently on the statute book for use. The longest you can be held without charge for up to 14 days If you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act. Feel free to dispute it but get your facts first.

Blimey Ron who's poured sugar on your sprouts , I was only asking a question I don't think there was any need for that.

Mr P you weren't though were you as you your intent wasn't in having a question answered it was in a different manner as per norm more on the sarcasm or pedantic vein. If thats not your intention or didn't realise thats how you can come across you do now. I am not intending to brow beat you more responding in an equal measure to your own so if you feel its sugar on sprouts then maybe an inward look might shine light on how it can look from the other angle. Food for thought though not sweetened sprouts.

I think your looking for something that isn't there.

No I am not far from it, people rare see themselves as others do they are the last to see their own mannerisms and how they come across.

You can tell all this from a simple question I posed.

This isn't the first time you have jumped down my throat for commenting on something, and you always try to imply I am lacking knowledge or am a bit thick. If you don't like my posts just ignore them there's no need to get insulting.

Ah there it is harbouring resentment that's your motive and the reason for your actions. Well I don't do it all the time far from it and why not follow your own advice on posts as you quoted and asked me something you could have googled and found out you were wrong (being wrong is lack of knowledge by the way) on rather than trying to be cleaver and end up looking the opposite."

Again calling me thick. I don't get it.

If we googled everything then the threads would empty. Harbouring resentment ? I admit I'm thick on that as I ain't got a scooby what your on about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"British jihadist fighters have contacted a university in London to say they regret their decision to join Islamist extremists in the Middle East and want to come home. The 30-strong group of jihadists said they wanted to return home to Britain but were afraid they would be jailed if they did so.

Should they be allowed to come into Britain?

Should they be arrested if they do or do they have a right to resume their life as before?

Yes we should allow them back in.

Then give them to the families of those who have been beheaded to deal with !"

I don't think the ones who were involved in the beheadings would come back. I would say there needs to be some sort of reeducation though.

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over a year ago


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations.

This sounds slightly naive to me, in my opinion if they are allowed back they will just disappear into the community that they're from. And then you'll have trained soldiers who've proven already that they have no bother killing when called upon.

No I didn't suggest they were allowed to disappear I was asking a question or questions on the general _iew of people on this but would agree to let them go freely back into society isn't a good one. However people can't just be arrested and detained indefinitely in the UK it would be illegal.

Have they repealed the internment laws ?

Internment isn't an option in peace time is it and I don't think we have declared war on any country especially our own recently. Thats why the US have Guantanamo in Cuba as its a legal loophole with a recognition issue.

Internment has been used in Ireland when we wasn't at war with them.

It's not a matter of repealing laws and I didn't want to put you down but if you are going to be pedantic on this then I will put it in black and white as you seem to lack the knowledge. The internment act was repealed in 1950 It was used again in 1971 when the government claimed it was amidst of a civil war in Ireland it wasn't law at the time special powers were sort under the Civil Authorities Act as a short term measure and is not currently on the statute book for use. The longest you can be held without charge for up to 14 days If you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act. Feel free to dispute it but get your facts first.

Blimey Ron who's poured sugar on your sprouts , I was only asking a question I don't think there was any need for that.

Mr P you weren't though were you as you your intent wasn't in having a question answered it was in a different manner as per norm more on the sarcasm or pedantic vein. If thats not your intention or didn't realise thats how you can come across you do now. I am not intending to brow beat you more responding in an equal measure to your own so if you feel its sugar on sprouts then maybe an inward look might shine light on how it can look from the other angle. Food for thought though not sweetened sprouts.

I think your looking for something that isn't there.

No I am not far from it, people rare see themselves as others do they are the last to see their own mannerisms and how they come across.

You can tell all this from a simple question I posed.

This isn't the first time you have jumped down my throat for commenting on something, and you always try to imply I am lacking knowledge or am a bit thick. If you don't like my posts just ignore them there's no need to get insulting.

You do it all the time FFS

I do what all the time ? Please point out where I have insulted someone or called them thick.

The sarcasm the putdowns you come out with! don't do it then people wont pull you on it! "

There is a difference between sarcasm and calling someone thick , and I don't put people down.

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over a year ago


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations.

This sounds slightly naive to me, in my opinion if they are allowed back they will just disappear into the community that they're from. And then you'll have trained soldiers who've proven already that they have no bother killing when called upon.

No I didn't suggest they were allowed to disappear I was asking a question or questions on the general _iew of people on this but would agree to let them go freely back into society isn't a good one. However people can't just be arrested and detained indefinitely in the UK it would be illegal.

Have they repealed the internment laws ?

Internment isn't an option in peace time is it and I don't think we have declared war on any country especially our own recently. Thats why the US have Guantanamo in Cuba as its a legal loophole with a recognition issue.

Internment has been used in Ireland when we wasn't at war with them.

It's not a matter of repealing laws and I didn't want to put you down but if you are going to be pedantic on this then I will put it in black and white as you seem to lack the knowledge. The internment act was repealed in 1950 It was used again in 1971 when the government claimed it was amidst of a civil war in Ireland it wasn't law at the time special powers were sort under the Civil Authorities Act as a short term measure and is not currently on the statute book for use. The longest you can be held without charge for up to 14 days If you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act. Feel free to dispute it but get your facts first.

Blimey Ron who's poured sugar on your sprouts , I was only asking a question I don't think there was any need for that.

Mr P you weren't though were you as you your intent wasn't in having a question answered it was in a different manner as per norm more on the sarcasm or pedantic vein. If thats not your intention or didn't realise thats how you can come across you do now. I am not intending to brow beat you more responding in an equal measure to your own so if you feel its sugar on sprouts then maybe an inward look might shine light on how it can look from the other angle. Food for thought though not sweetened sprouts.

I think your looking for something that isn't there.

No I am not far from it, people rare see themselves as others do they are the last to see their own mannerisms and how they come across.

You can tell all this from a simple question I posed.

This isn't the first time you have jumped down my throat for commenting on something, and you always try to imply I am lacking knowledge or am a bit thick. If you don't like my posts just ignore them there's no need to get insulting.

Ah there it is harbouring resentment that's your motive and the reason for your actions. Well I don't do it all the time far from it and why not follow your own advice on posts as you quoted and asked me something you could have googled and found out you were wrong (being wrong is lack of knowledge by the way) on rather than trying to be cleaver and end up looking the opposite.

Again calling me thick. I don't get it.

If we googled everything then the threads would empty. Harbouring resentment ? I admit I'm thick on that as I ain't got a scooby what your on about. "

You know what don't quote me don't interact with me ignore my threads then you can live in bliss its the best thing you can do. I really can't be bothered with what ever petty issue you think you have.

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By *hris n AnnaCouple
over a year ago

edinburghish


"no fcuking chance. they know they`re on the back foot and are good as dead if they stay out there

they went over there to kill and im sure have blood on their hands. fcuk em"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations.

This sounds slightly naive to me, in my opinion if they are allowed back they will just disappear into the community that they're from. And then you'll have trained soldiers who've proven already that they have no bother killing when called upon.

No I didn't suggest they were allowed to disappear I was asking a question or questions on the general _iew of people on this but would agree to let them go freely back into society isn't a good one. However people can't just be arrested and detained indefinitely in the UK it would be illegal.

Have they repealed the internment laws ?

Internment isn't an option in peace time is it and I don't think we have declared war on any country especially our own recently. Thats why the US have Guantanamo in Cuba as its a legal loophole with a recognition issue.

Internment has been used in Ireland when we wasn't at war with them.

It's not a matter of repealing laws and I didn't want to put you down but if you are going to be pedantic on this then I will put it in black and white as you seem to lack the knowledge. The internment act was repealed in 1950 It was used again in 1971 when the government claimed it was amidst of a civil war in Ireland it wasn't law at the time special powers were sort under the Civil Authorities Act as a short term measure and is not currently on the statute book for use. The longest you can be held without charge for up to 14 days If you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act. Feel free to dispute it but get your facts first.

Blimey Ron who's poured sugar on your sprouts , I was only asking a question I don't think there was any need for that.

Mr P you weren't though were you as you your intent wasn't in having a question answered it was in a different manner as per norm more on the sarcasm or pedantic vein. If thats not your intention or didn't realise thats how you can come across you do now. I am not intending to brow beat you more responding in an equal measure to your own so if you feel its sugar on sprouts then maybe an inward look might shine light on how it can look from the other angle. Food for thought though not sweetened sprouts.

I think your looking for something that isn't there.

No I am not far from it, people rare see themselves as others do they are the last to see their own mannerisms and how they come across.

You can tell all this from a simple question I posed.

This isn't the first time you have jumped down my throat for commenting on something, and you always try to imply I am lacking knowledge or am a bit thick. If you don't like my posts just ignore them there's no need to get insulting.

You do it all the time FFS

I do what all the time ? Please point out where I have insulted someone or called them thick.

The sarcasm the putdowns you come out with! don't do it then people wont pull you on it!

There is a difference between sarcasm and calling someone thick , and I don't put people down. "

Get off your horse the only person using the thick word is you! If you cut the sarcastic crap you might fair better

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"The guys wanting to come home if I've heard right, aren't jihadists, they went to help Syrians fight against Asad and his regime, but that fight has turned in to a factious squabble.

Yes, but you should know by now that the truth shouldn't get in the way of a good story.....

FWIW, My Grandad went to fight Franco and he was let back in.....

I've just started reading up the thread. Yes, those lovely white young men (and women) who went to fight then were let back in.

"

I have a feeling this point is slightly lost on the thread.....

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The guys wanting to come home if I've heard right, aren't jihadists, they went to help Syrians fight against Asad and his regime, but that fight has turned in to a factious squabble.

Yes, but you should know by now that the truth shouldn't get in the way of a good story.....

FWIW, My Grandad went to fight Franco and he was let back in.....

I've just started reading up the thread. Yes, those lovely white young men (and women) who went to fight then were let back in.

I have a feeling this point is slightly lost on the thread..... "

Reasoned argument does seem to have been lost.

Misunderstandings leading to name calling and a taking of sides... isn't that how fights start? Build up enough animosity and sticking to your side of the story, add some misinformation and myth building around the issue and et voila you get a war.

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By *hris n AnnaCouple
over a year ago

edinburghish


"Let them back, and then film them all being beheaded on video to send to those ISIS scum to show them how WE deal with Jihadists in this country!

an eye for an eye!"

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Let them back, and then film them all being beheaded on video to send to those ISIS scum to show them how WE deal with Jihadists in this country!

an eye for an eye! "

Except, as has been pointed out, they aren't actually jihadists....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My immediate reaction is No, but if they do come back they could be really usefull in putting others off from going...

so Yes.

I though no initially but am now wondering if managed correctly it could deter others going and potentially put more off going over there under false expectations.

This sounds slightly naive to me, in my opinion if they are allowed back they will just disappear into the community that they're from. And then you'll have trained soldiers who've proven already that they have no bother killing when called upon.

No I didn't suggest they were allowed to disappear I was asking a question or questions on the general _iew of people on this but would agree to let them go freely back into society isn't a good one. However people can't just be arrested and detained indefinitely in the UK it would be illegal.

Have they repealed the internment laws ?

Internment isn't an option in peace time is it and I don't think we have declared war on any country especially our own recently. Thats why the US have Guantanamo in Cuba as its a legal loophole with a recognition issue.

Internment has been used in Ireland when we wasn't at war with them.

It's not a matter of repealing laws and I didn't want to put you down but if you are going to be pedantic on this then I will put it in black and white as you seem to lack the knowledge. The internment act was repealed in 1950 It was used again in 1971 when the government claimed it was amidst of a civil war in Ireland it wasn't law at the time special powers were sort under the Civil Authorities Act as a short term measure and is not currently on the statute book for use. The longest you can be held without charge for up to 14 days If you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act. Feel free to dispute it but get your facts first.

Blimey Ron who's poured sugar on your sprouts , I was only asking a question I don't think there was any need for that.

Mr P you weren't though were you as you your intent wasn't in having a question answered it was in a different manner as per norm more on the sarcasm or pedantic vein. If thats not your intention or didn't realise thats how you can come across you do now. I am not intending to brow beat you more responding in an equal measure to your own so if you feel its sugar on sprouts then maybe an inward look might shine light on how it can look from the other angle. Food for thought though not sweetened sprouts.

I think your looking for something that isn't there.

No I am not far from it, people rare see themselves as others do they are the last to see their own mannerisms and how they come across.

You can tell all this from a simple question I posed.

This isn't the first time you have jumped down my throat for commenting on something, and you always try to imply I am lacking knowledge or am a bit thick. If you don't like my posts just ignore them there's no need to get insulting.

You do it all the time FFS

I do what all the time ? Please point out where I have insulted someone or called them thick.

The sarcasm the putdowns you come out with! don't do it then people wont pull you on it!

There is a difference between sarcasm and calling someone thick , and I don't put people down.

Get off your horse the only person using the thick word is you! If you cut the sarcastic crap you might fair better "

Fair better at what ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Let them back, and then film them all being beheaded on video to send to those ISIS scum to show them how WE deal with Jihadists in this country!

an eye for an eye!

Except, as has been pointed out, they aren't actually jihadists....

"

What actually makes them jihadists do they have a badge or a specific hat or something?

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Let them back, and then film them all being beheaded on video to send to those ISIS scum to show them how WE deal with Jihadists in this country!

an eye for an eye!

Except, as has been pointed out, they aren't actually jihadists....

What actually makes them jihadists do they have a badge or a specific hat or something?"

Well, for a start they might like to belong to one of the many islamic jihad paramilitaries that exist (see: ISIS).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Let them back, and then film them all being beheaded on video to send to those ISIS scum to show them how WE deal with Jihadists in this country!

an eye for an eye!

Except, as has been pointed out, they aren't actually jihadists....

What actually makes them jihadists do they have a badge or a specific hat or something?

Well, for a start they might like to belong to one of the many islamic jihad paramilitaries that exist (see: ISIS). "

Those are the ones in the black Bruce Lee kung fu pyjama outfits then?

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By *ozzy87Man
over a year ago

Crawley

We at 175 yet?

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By *ozzy87Man
over a year ago

Crawley

Are we there yet?

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By *angzMan
over a year ago

Manchester, London & sometimes Newcastle


"British jihadist fighters have contacted a university in London to say they regret their decision to join Islamist extremists in the Middle East and want to come home. The 30-strong group of jihadists said they wanted to return home to Britain but were afraid they would be jailed if they did so.

Should they be allowed to come into Britain?

Should they be arrested if they do or do they have a right to resume their life as before?

"

We should let them back and once here they ought to be arrested and questioned for possible intelligence, and then sent to jail without possibility of release. I suspect these idiots have seen the reality of what they've got into, as opposed to any fantasies they had. So they should also be inter_iewed and shown on TV as a deterrent to others.

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By *ozzy87Man
over a year ago

Crawley

Now are we there yet?

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By *icefellatwoMan
over a year ago

hastings


"British jihadist fighters have contacted a university in London to say they regret their decision to join Islamist extremists in the Middle East and want to come home. The 30-strong group of jihadists said they wanted to return home to Britain but were afraid they would be jailed if they did so.

Should they be allowed to come into Britain?

Should they be arrested if they do or do they have a right to resume their life as before?

We should let them back and once here they ought to be arrested and questioned for possible intelligence, and then sent to jail without possibility of release. I suspect these idiots have seen the reality of what they've got into, as opposed to any fantasies they had. So they should also be inter_iewed and shown on TV as a deterrent to others."

Why would you want to pay to keep them !

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By *ozzy87Man
over a year ago

Crawley

Still not there yet?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

167

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By *ozzy87Man
over a year ago

Crawley

Getting closer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Still not there yet?"

Are you struggling to add anything of worth on here then?

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Still not there yet?

Are you struggling to add anything of worth on here then?"

To be fair, this thread is mostly devoid of reason.

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By *ozzy87Man
over a year ago

Crawley


"Still not there yet?

Are you struggling to add anything of worth on here then?

To be fair, this thread is mostly devoid of reason. "

What he said.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville


"Still not there yet?"
Ignore the thread if you have nothing to contribute, its really not that bloody difficult.

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By *ozzy87Man
over a year ago

Crawley


"Still not there yet?Ignore the thread if you have nothing to contribute, its really not that bloody difficult."

I'm contributing by ending it.

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By *ozzy87Man
over a year ago

Crawley

175

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By *ozzy87Man
over a year ago

Crawley

Is now.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

You can crush us,

You can bruise us,

But still you'll answer to....

The guns of Brixton.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This thread is full of extreme _iews, some of it bordering on hate, much of which has been fed by misinformation. Heard that before?

We really have to break that cycle.

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