FabSwingers.com forum: Scottish independence,thoughts.

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So its nearly time for us Scots to vote yes or no to independence and the polls are showing its going to be very close, whats the views on the rest of the UK,do you want us to leave,stay or not bothered.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

wish it was over frankly then it wouldn't be all over the media, then again whatever the outcome it still will be so hey ho..

personally I would rather you stayed but if you decide to go then good luck and you will also need to have your own currency and not the bank of England as a fall back..

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By *hrissie1961Woman
over a year ago

dumfries and galloway

I wish it was over and we could get back to normal.

There has been some ugly behaviour, in my case from the YES campaign. It saddens me that my fellow countrymen are behaving like savages, just because people have a difference of opinion.

UK all the way for me.

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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago

north west

I just hope the yes voters don't expect any of our taxes to sub them and why should they use the pound if they want out or anything else British

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What is the problem ,I keep telling you they wont go ,they don't have the Balls.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I really hope the Scots don't leave for many reasons. I think the bonanza promised by Alex Salmond in the white paper is far fetched and the figures don't add up. He keeps saying the money from oil will pay for all these bonuses, but they won't pay for everything he's promising.

Also I think as we are, we are a European superpower, we have clout on the global stage and that will be less so if we are trying to influence politics as two much smaller countries.

But on an emotional level, like many English I'm also of Scottish descent and I think it will be such a terrible shame to break up the UK. Sad times really.

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

If you lot listen to Salmond and the rest of his cronies, he will have you all dressed in your skirts standing on the border throwing bricks at the English

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Luckily i dont listen to Salmond and his make believe stories however i do like wearing a kilt,dont work though as i dont throw bricks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am hoping the UK stays together, but not my decision so instead I hope that whichever way the vote goes it is with a big majority and high turn out.

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By *o new WinksMan
over a year ago

BSE

Lets give them independance. Theres billions in stationary etc changes which they cant afford.

It doesnt have to be long term anyway....they are due to be invaded again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Scotland have the upper hand in all this.

If they stay, we give them more power, meaning Westminster has less say, but their 41 mp's still have a say over England's policies.

If they go, they get full control, we lose 40 Labour MP's and are doomed to be Tory led for years to come.

Reliance on Oil and Whiskey is a bit optimistic mind

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By * Busty HotwifeCouple
over a year ago

Bradford

"If you lot listen to Salmond and the rest of his cronies, he will have you all dressed in your skirts standing on the border throwing bricks at the English "

Salmond is a first class bigot and imbecile but who is worse, the fool who leads or the fool who follows?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just hope the yes voters don't expect any of our taxes to sub them and why should they use the pound if they want out or anything else British "

It makes sense to use the pound as we still have to help pay off national debt

Sick of hearing this now . I think you will find Scotland wont need your taxes either , if anything we put more money in the Westminster pot than we get out. There is a no campaign running because of the money we contribute , and because we are needed for trident. If we were just a sponge to England I'm pretty sure they would have cut us off a long time ago.

I find it it extremely sad that people are taking it so personally and spouting hatred towards each other.

I have not once tried to bring down English people or be abusive since this all started . It's not a personal attack , it's politics . Just think about why Westminster are so keen to keep us if we are drain on the rest of the nation. That doesn't make sense ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Looking back at some of these comments ...

And you wonder why we want independence???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Looking back at some of these comments ...

And you wonder why we want independence???

It's like an upcoming divorce and the kids are getting stressy

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By *o new WinksMan
over a year ago

BSE

We will all wake up the day after and put our socks on the same way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sick of it all, especially on Facebook. Having lived in Scotland and still having a lot of friends it's all I see. Although only two ate definitive yes' the rest are like "dilligaf" and telling their fellow Scots to shut the fuck up. I, personally, just want it over and done with. I think it will be yes but I hope not. It seems so pointless it many ways

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

do any one know what Scotland will do for a army or do all the Scottish regiments start working for Scotland, will Scotland be in NATO or not

I hope Scotland stays

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Glad when its over, All of Scotland never asked for it to happen in the first place, maybe not even half of scotland wanted it in the first place.

Just same old story, some politicians getting together and puting it on us to decide.

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By *illbillMan
over a year ago

dublin

It's not really a vote for independence but to be more independent... It will be a crown dominian not a independent republic, Scot still won't get to vote for head of state and will still pay homage and kiss arse to a English queen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you lot listen to Salmond the rest of his cronies, he will have you all dressed in your skirts standing on the border throwing bricks at the English

Salmond is a first class bigot and imbecile but who is worse, the fool who leads or the fool who follows?"

The vote is for independence , not Alex salmond. If we get it we can vote in anybody we want to .

Alex is only running the campaign , The Tories are using Labour MPs for the No campaign to sway Scottish labour voters in to voting No. Not seen anything from Cameron in the debates because Scotland is a mostly Labour voting country .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

First off im a yes voter.

I deplore unreasonable behaviour toward another because of their views, I will however debate, simply because I enjoy it.

What I cannot stand though is misinformation, this causes views to be askew and somewhat silly.

So, here goes.

The bank of England is a name of a financial institution that sets interest rates and prints currency based on our GDP, credit rating, deficit, assets et al (the list is long but you get what I mean) This financial institution does NOT belong to England, it belongs to the UK. Scotland owns part of it, deficit, assets and responsibility. The rest of the UK cannot take from Scotland what it part owns, this is theft. Basic law. If the real of the UK decides to do this remember the deficit too.

Secondly, there seems to be a thought chain that we are voting for Alec Salmond, we are NOT. We are voting on the question "Do we want to be an independent nation" Yes or No?

Thirdly, we have a devolved parliament, what this means is that we have some governing powers. It means we decide how we spend the money that comes from the treasury, that we contribute to.

Fourthly, Scotland will still be attached to the UK, we will still trade etc with the rest of the UK the EU the World, there is no economic sense in taking a huff if we walk away, the scenario of huff is what the no campaign is selling. Childish and frankly laughable should we become independent.

Independent Scotland would then vote in a general election next year to decide which political part governs. Most no voters (my brother included) Are terrified at the prospect of a Socialist Labour getting control, even some Labour politicians are afraid of this outcome, I've even heard it said that to go back to this is unthinkable.

Now, do we risk it? I for one am convinced that long term benefits far out weigh the short term risks. Its better to be prepared for an.opportunity when one comes along than be ill prepared and it passes you by. I believe we are prepared.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"First off im a yes voter.

I deplore unreasonable behaviour toward another because of their views, I will however debate, simply because I enjoy it.

What I cannot stand though is misinformation, this causes views to be askew and somewhat silly.

So, here goes.

Secondly, there seems to be a thought chain that we are voting for Alec Salmond, we are NOT. We are voting on the question "Do we want to be an independent nation" Yes or No?

Thirdly, we have a devolved parliament, what this means is that we have some governing powers. It means we decide how we spend the money that comes from the treasury, that we contribute to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"First off im a yes voter.

I deplore unreasonable behaviour toward another because of their views, I will however debate, simply because I enjoy it.

What I cannot stand though is misinformation, this causes views to be askew and somewhat silly.

So, here goes.

Secondly, there seems to be a thought chain that we are voting for Alec Salmond, we are NOT. We are voting on the question "Do we want to be an independent nation" Yes or No?

Thirdly, we have a devolved parliament, what this means is that we have some governing powers. It means we decide how we spend the money that comes from the treasury, that we contribute to.

What that man said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Armies will be hugely reduced as nationality splits occur.

Scotland will have to apply to join NATO.

Scotland will have to apply to join the euro.

Currency union will not happen as Westminster will get the stropp on.

Scotland will invade Greenland and Iceland and become a new dominant power in the arctic regions, gathering an army of polar bears, seals and whales before launching a devastating attack on Russia and Poland, destroying Vodka distilleries and making Whiskey the number one world export.

Now holding power in the North and East, they hold sanctions over the rest of world demanding fealty in exchange for haggis.

By 2025, "The world union of Scott" will be a single Earth government with sights on galactic expansion

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"What is the problem ,I keep telling you they wont go ,they don't have the Balls."

It's stuff like this that makes me hate politics. Comments about not having the balls are pointless, rude and uninformed. It's not about balls.

I'm sick of the whole thing. Sick of the division it's caused, sick of the nastiness, sick of people talking about it from an emotional stance, sick of the patriotic viewpoint, sick of unanswered questions and I'm utterly sick of the egos involved. It's bullshit. Half the people voting have no idea what they're talking about. I've already heard of a postal vote being spoiled by a third party and landing back on the voters doormat.

Whatever happens, I'd like to stop reading the utter bilge that it seems to encourage. I'd like an end to the thoughtless comments from those who don't know very much about it. I'd like to continue to live in the country I was born in without walking down the street being bothered by yes/no posters in windows. I don't want to come home to yes/no junk mail through my door when people are having to visit foodbanks and taxpayers money is wasted on shite that goes in the bin and I'd like people to be able to vote for what they choose, as is their right without being insulted.

Debate is good when it's informed and doesn't get personal. Insulting others because of their choice is rude and ignorant.

I'm off to do something else cause this soapbox is old and tired. Live and let live.

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By *cotFit4funMan
over a year ago

Kettering

I'm a Scot living in England. . Initally my heart was telling me YES but my head NO... However over the past couple of months ive seen such racist and anti Scottish bigotry that i find my head now saying YES... I don't abuse anyone for their nationality. . We were a proud nation once and we will continue to be...we may be small as an independent country but big in our hearts and minds knowing that we will have an elected government working for the good of Scotland. The racists and bigots can say and do what they like... we dont need them!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm a Scot living in England. . Initally my heart was telling me YES but my head NO... However over the past couple of months ive seen such racist and anti Scottish bigotry that i find my head now saying YES... I don't abuse anyone for their nationality. . We were a proud nation once and we will continue to be...we may be small as an independent country but big in our hearts and minds knowing that we will have an elected government working for the good of Scotland. The racists and bigots can say and do what they like... we dont need them!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've seen this racism on both sides and it makes me uncomfortable. Scottish parenting with English upbringing means I looked at the countries the same as I do our counties..Different regions of one beautiful, proud Island.

I think Capitalism has a lot to answer for, and we're all being divided by corporations so they can conquer all of us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think Capitalism has a lot to answer for, and we're all being divided by corporations so they can conquer all of us"

Not sure about the capitalist thingy, think that affect the whole world and not just this vote.

I too lived in England (Devon) for 7 years, I've never experienced closet racism as much in my life. Born and grew up in a very multi cultural Glasgow environment and was shocked at how people spike and acted toward me as a Scot, especially as a Glaswegian, in Devon. There were some good people whom I still call friends since moving back.

What frightens me most of all about staying in the UK is one thing and one thing alone. UKiP that my friends is scarier than walking away and when faced with fear (which I naturally have) of the unknown or UKiP I choose the former.

Make no mistake that lot are growing exponentially and will either govern or coalesse

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Could be wrong but i've not heard anyone say that if the vote is yes then the B of E will 'take' what is owned etc..?

Whether the threat of not being allowed to stay in what would be a foreign currency post yes will materialise is largely speculation at this point..

But if the decision is made to not allow an independent Scotland to keep the pound after a transition period to sort out the balance sheet etc then what can Scotland actually do?

I see it a bit like one of ones kids leaving home and standing on their own 2 feet and we know the bank of 'mum and dad' in most cases is still available when that happens but this is a bye, don't need you type of leaving so why should one larger economy look after the other..?

also if the confidence about being better off post independence is so high from the yes side why haven't they not proposed a period of transition then they will have their own currency, a Scottish currency be that the Euro or whatever..?

surely that would sway the not yet decided and swing a few no voters behind the campaign..

just seems like a bit of a 'trust me' exercise from another bloody egotistical politician and we've seen plenty of those, and its not only you lot up there that hate the bloody tories..

stuck with them but that democracy..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What's democratic about a whole country being governed by a political entity we did not vote for?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's democratic about a whole country being governed by a political entity we did not vote for? "

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Currency Union simply will not happen - regardless of Alex's 'mandate' - because it takes two parties to agree.

The rUK electorate will not vote in 2015 for any politician/party that will sign up to allow our pensions & savings to be used to backstop a foreign competitors monetary & economics systems.

I too am fed up with it so i hope Scotland leaves.

Good bye and Good Luck, sure it will work out for you and i wish you well - I'm just not having you doing it on my pension.

If its right that Scotland acts in her own interests then it is right that the UK acts in our interests, that means no Currency Union.

Alex Salmond - "I have a mandate from 5 million people".

UK Govt "Here's one from 55 million people saying No".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's democratic about a whole country being governed by a political entity we did not vote for?

That is democracy for 49% of the people voting (over simplified) if you get independence then there will be a % who didn't want it, and the first government of Scotland will have a winning party that some did not vote for. "
Yes but we will be governed by ourselves and not by your leave Westminster, lets not hide behind diplomacy look at the anti Scottish comments on this thread alone, I've found this sentiment very common but mainly from uninformed bigots

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

And many are upset by the Anglophobia diplayed by the SNP.

This debate has really soured relations between us, which is one reason i want Scotland to leave.

Also, Scotland is looking like being a bitterly divided Coyntry & I'd rather we didn't have to deal with the aftermath.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Currency Union simply will not happen - regardless of Alex's 'mandate' - because it takes two parties to agree.

The rUK electorate will not vote in 2015 for any politician/party that will sign up to allow our pensions & savings to be used to backstop a foreign competitors monetary & economics systems.

I too am fed up with it so i hope Scotland leaves.

Good bye and Good Luck, sure it will work out for you and i wish you well - I'm just not having you doing it on my pension.

If its right that Scotland acts in her own interests then it is right that the UK acts in our interests, that means no Currency Union.

Alex Salmond - "I have a mandate from 5 million people".

UK Govt "Here's one from 55 million people saying No"."
Wow you speak for 55 million???? How did you get that? Clearly you have no clue about what the currency debate is about, another ill informed opinion.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i would like scotland to stay.... but if they do decide to go I don't think they should get to keep the bits of the UK infrastructure they like ( the currency, the bbc, ect.....)

they can go with their share of the debt... and set up everything else themselves....

I just hope that those who vote yes don't end up using being resented by those who voted no if it all goes tits up......

i'd also give those who vote no the oppotunity to move south if they wish....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And many are upset by the Anglophobia diplayed by the SNP.

This debate has really soured relations between us, which is one reason i want Scotland to leave.

Also, Scotland is looking like being a bitterly divided Coyntry & I'd rather we didn't have to deal with the aftermath."
Again we are NOT voting for the SNP what don't you understand? And if you think this about anti English you are sorely mistaken. England is PART of a union, 4 countries, together. Typical absolutely typical Anglo egotistical attitude

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Currency Union simply will not happen - regardless of Alex's 'mandate' - because it takes two parties to agree.

The rUK electorate will not vote in 2015 for any politician/party that will sign up to allow our pensions & savings to be used to backstop a foreign competitors monetary & economics systems.

I too am fed up with it so i hope Scotland leaves.

Good bye and Good Luck, sure it will work out for you and i wish you well - I'm just not having you doing it on my pension.

If its right that Scotland acts in her own interests then it is right that the UK acts in our interests, that means no Currency Union.

Alex Salmond - "I have a mandate from 5 million people".

UK Govt "Here's one from 55 million people saying No". Wow you speak for 55 million???? How did you get that? Clearly you have no clue about what the currency debate is about, another ill informed opinion."

actually he has a point.... if the 5 million who get a vote actually have the power of the 55 million who don't over the currency...

if any politician had balls... if the vote is yes, the next day someone should set up a referendum asking the 55 million of us if we want a currency union...

it might be in scotlands interest, but as the 3 main party leaders have said... its not in rUK's interest....

and the govenor of the bank of england...

and the leading ecomonic civil servant

and the first minister of wales....

and the first minister of northern ireland.......

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

I think you misunderstand me. The constant refrain from Salmond about 'bullying' et.al. comes across as Anglophobia to many of us, if that makes us what you claim that in your eyes i really don't care.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Currency Union simply will not happen - regardless of Alex's 'mandate' - because it takes two parties to agree.

The rUK electorate will not vote in 2015 for any politician/party that will sign up to allow our pensions & savings to be used to backstop a foreign competitors monetary & economics systems.

I too am fed up with it so i hope Scotland leaves.

Good bye and Good Luck, sure it will work out for you and i wish you well - I'm just not having you doing it on my pension.

If its right that Scotland acts in her own interests then it is right that the UK acts in our interests, that means no Currency Union.

Alex Salmond - "I have a mandate from 5 million people".

Bank of England, UK Govt, leaders of all main parties, opinion polls, all say NO to any proposed Currency Union.

How much of a mandate do you require before you understand it is not the will of the rUK to backstop a potential competitor State?

And it is supposed to be the English who are arrogant..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just hope it turns out to be a unanimous vote, otherwise the arguments about it will rattle on.

Over the years, the majority of Scots I have known have said they would Scottish independence. Personally, I hope they get it

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By *hrissie1961Woman
over a year ago

dumfries and galloway

"If you lot listen to Salmond the rest of his cronies, he will have you all dressed in your skirts standing on the border throwing bricks at the English

Salmond is a first class bigot and imbecile but who is worse, the fool who leads or the fool who follows?

The vote is for independence , not Alex salmond. If we get it we can vote in anybody we want to .

The tory's have been dead in the water in Scottish politics for decades!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"What's democratic about a whole country being governed by a political entity we did not vote for? "

you tell me.... in scotland only 40% of people voted for the snp... and yet.... 60% are being governed by a party they didn't vote for!

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By *opinovMan
over a year ago

Point Nemo, Cumbria

I really hope the Scots vote in favour of independence, if only to shock the rotten and corrupt Westminster elite to the core and demonstrate to the rest of the UK that people's votes can make a difference. I, personally, am sick to death of the stagnancy of British politics - it desperately needs to be rebuilt from the bottom up, and a yes vote would pretty much open the door to this... but only if those remaining in the UK seize the oportunity and fight for it.

A part of me suspects that Scotland will bottle it by a fairly narrow margin. Whilst the yes campaign have focused largely on the positive aspects on independence, the better together campaign has been exclusively negative and has relied mainly on trying to scare or threaten Scotland into voting no.

I own and run two successful companies (based in the north of England) and I rely on quite a lot of cross border trade, and I've seen nothing to convince me that Scottish independence will have any negative effect on it. I've also been very interested to read several economic studies published in the last fortnight (by highly respected sources in industry) which suggest England and/or the pound may face considerable economic woes from unsustainable balance of payment issues for servicing foreign debt (UK now has the 2nd largest foreign debt in the world - thanks George) without the security of Scottish oil to maintain the current low borrowing rates. It is starting to emerge that, when it comes to sustaining the pound and remaining solvent as a nation, the UK needs Scotland more than visa versa.

If this causes problems for England's economy (having cut off its nose to spite its face), I may have to relocate my companies north of the border and hope that enough of my employees are willing to relocate too. Trust me when I say I'm not the only CEO who is coming round to this view. I just wish that Cumbria and Northumberland could have the option of joining Scotland.

If the Scots have any sense they'll vote yes, and Westminster knows this - which is why they're campaigning so hard, even to the point of sending out letters and emails instructing all civil servants in Scotland to vote no... that, to me, says it all.

I just hope the Scots do themselves a favour and grow some balls - and have the good grace to take me with them... please... pretty please!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im a Scot, living in England & I agree with those who say we should stay. It's named the "United Kingdom" for a reason & we, as a nation, are stronger together!

Also, the armed forces were mentioned but, what happens to police, fire & national health? Don't they belong to the queen?

I'm probably not informed enough on political sides of the debate to make a worthwhile decision on yes or no.

My heart would cry out YES! Whilst my head would say "think you've seen Braveheart too many times"

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By *rank_SimoneCouple
over a year ago

Bideford

Just wish you stopped talking about it and just did it.

Just remember when the going gets tough there will be no running back.

Its always easier to solve problems with friends rather than on your own.

Just a shame so many scot's are so gullible to Alex Salmond's false promises, he has represented his lying profession with honor.

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By * Busty HotwifeCouple
over a year ago

Bradford

"I just hope the yes voters don't expect any of our taxes to sub them and why should they use the pound if they want out or anything else British

It makes sense to use the pound as we still have to help pay off national debt

I find it it extremely sad that people are taking it so personally and spouting hatred towards each other.

Countries United are clearly stronger and also, it's all we've known for 300+years.

However if Scotland votes Yes, the real winners are the Conservative Party, as Scotland contributed 52 seats to the Lab/Lib parties at the last election.

As for abusive English folk, I think you'll find a lot of that is down to that bigot, Salmonds, and the SNPs, anti-English rhetoric. Until I lived in Dundee for 12 years, I never realised how rascist, bigoted, with massive chips on their shoulders, a large amount of the Scottish population were.

Salmond is a fool with no firm or real plans and no real idea as to where this is going. He can't get into Europe without accepting the Euro, he has no secure fiscal policy or future for a fledgling country in a hard ball world.

He is screwing the Scottish tax payer and is of the same mild as Blair. But he sees himself as a modern day Robert The Bruce however he is more of a Wallace(or Wally)-great rhetoric and tug on the heart strings of the Scots but when you lift the veil of illusion, the truth is very different.

As some of my pro-union/anti-SNP and Scottish friends say, " let us have Independance and then when we've pissed it up and are broke again, begging to come back in, leave us."

Remember why there was an Act of Union? Because Scotland was broke.

Follow Salmond on this undiscernable path, history will judge the folly or sense of a Scottish YES vote, not us.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"What's democratic about a whole country being governed by a political entity we did not vote for? "

That comment pretty much sums up the lack of political awareness of the average yes voter.

Aside from that, is there not a considerable irony in not wanting to be part of the United Kingdom because of a perceived lack of political representation and yet wanting to be part of the the EU and have even less political representation.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Currency Union simply will not happen - regardless of Alex's 'mandate' - because it takes two parties to agree.

The rUK electorate will not vote in 2015 for any politician/party that will sign up to allow our pensions & savings to be used to backstop a foreign competitors monetary & economics systems.

I too am fed up with it so i hope Scotland leaves.

Good bye and Good Luck, sure it will work out for you and i wish you well - I'm just not having you doing it on my pension.

If its right that Scotland acts in her own interests then it is right that the UK acts in our interests, that means no Currency Union.

Alex Salmond - "I have a mandate from 5 million people".

Bank of England, UK Govt, leaders of all main parties, opinion polls, all say NO to any proposed Currency Union.

How much of a mandate do you require before you understand it is not the will of the rUK to backstop a potential competitor State?

And it is supposed to be the English who are arrogant.."

The currency question is the biggest part of this issue because Scottish residents currently have pensions and savings that are in £GBP. Whatever Salmond says, if the Scots - post referendum - vote for Independence they will be between a rock and a hard place with the currency question. If rUK stands firm then the Scots will have £GBP debt to service with either a new currency or the €Euro. Whatever happens, the world (never mind rUK) would NOT allow Scotland to walk away from its debts.

rUK are quite correct not to want a currency Union with a country that is proposing a lower Corporation Tax and has a naturally more generous social welfare system. It won't happen and yes voters have to prepared mentally to have their own currency linked to either the €Euro or £GBP.

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over a year ago

"What's democratic about a whole country being governed by a political entity we did not vote for?

you tell me.... in scotland only 40% of people voted for the snp... and yet.... 60% are being governed by a party they didn't vote for!

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Don't be ridiculous. The majority of voters in Scotland voted SNP those who didn't vote can't complain.

We use proportional representation in Scotland, so your point is moot, and ill informed.

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over a year ago

"Lets give them independance. Theres billions in stationary etc changes which they cant afford.

It doesnt have to be long term anyway....they are due to be invaded again

lol remember how far William Wallace got into England the last time. with Alex ...it could be the other way round!

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By *uppy ConquerorMan
over a year ago

dundee

"If you lot listen to Salmond and the rest of his cronies, he will have you all dressed in your skirts standing on the border throwing bricks at the English "
Sounds like fun to me

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over a year ago

"Just wish you stopped talking about it and just did it.

Just remember when the going gets tough there will be no running back.

Its always easier to solve problems with friends rather than on your own.

Just a shame so many scot's are so gullible to Alex Salmond's false promises, he has represented his lying profession with honor.

"
Alistair Darling was asked recently "If we will be better together after the vote, how come we are not better together now"

He didn't have an answer

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"What's democratic about a whole country being governed by a political entity we did not vote for?

you tell me.... in scotland only 40% of people voted for the snp... and yet.... 60% are being governed by a party they didn't vote for!

Don't be ridiculous. The majority of voters in Scotland voted SNP those who didn't vote can't complain.

We use proportional representation in Scotland, so your point is moot, and ill informed."

not true... want to get your figures right..

they got 44% of the popular vote... which ended up with them getting 54% of the parliamentary seats......

so... 56% of the popular vote did not vote for the snp...

figures from the scotish election website....

I'll wait for my apology.... don't think I'll get one

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over a year ago

"Currency Union simply will not happen - regardless of Alex's 'mandate' - because it takes two parties to agree.

The rUK electorate will not vote in 2015 for any politician/party that will sign up to allow our pensions & savings to be used to backstop a foreign competitors monetary & economics systems.

I too am fed up with it so i hope Scotland leaves.

Good bye and Good Luck, sure it will work out for you and i wish you well - I'm just not having you doing it on my pension.

If its right that Scotland acts in her own interests then it is right that the UK acts in our interests, that means no Currency Union.

Alex Salmond - "I have a mandate from 5 million people".

Bank of England, UK Govt, leaders of all main parties, opinion polls, all say NO to any proposed Currency Union.

How much of a mandate do you require before you understand it is not the will of the rUK to backstop a potential competitor State?

And it is supposed to be the English who are arrogant..

Another ill informed opinion

Ok, pensions are NOT in a pot unless the are private pensions, the current workforce pay for pensions. If we split private pensions are safe as that's a deal.you did with a provider not the government.

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over a year ago

my deep rooted question that I keep banging on about is:

will it change my life?

I seriously doubt it can get better or worse.

I think of it like this...the commonwealth games were great...after its now done..life is exactly the same

we have flourishing flowers and we have flourishing shit...its an endless cycle

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over a year ago

Hope sense prevails and the Scots remain as part of the UK, as we're all better off together.

I also can't wait for that smug t**t Alex Salmond to fade into obscurity...there aren't many people or situations that wind me up, but every time I hear his voice or see him spouting his inane drivel, it makes me want to puke. How someone like him can have been allowed to have wasted so much of other peoples money and resources on his own personal folly is beyond me.

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over a year ago

"What's democratic about a whole country being governed by a political entity we did not vote for?

you tell me.... in scotland only 40% of people voted for the snp... and yet.... 60% are being governed by a party they didn't vote for!

Don't be ridiculous. The majority of voters in Scotland voted SNP those who didn't vote can't complain.

We use proportional representation in Scotland, so your point is moot, and ill informed.

not true... want to get your figures right..

they got 44% of the popular vote... which ended up with them getting 54% of the parliamentary seats......

so... 56% of the popular vote did not vote for the snp...

figures from the scotish election website....

I'll wait for my apology.... don't think I'll get one"

My figures are correct. The MAJORITY voted SNP. The rest either voted Labour, Lib Dem, Conservative or Green.

Do you understand Roberts rules? Probably not so probably don't even understand democracy. My original point was simple. We as a nation overwhelmingly voted in favour of something different to what we got. So we are governed as part of the UK. This is what irks most of us and always has.

No apology except that maybe I can cone across as something im not, I think of myself as British but Scottish too. I afford no ill will against anything or anyone

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over a year ago

"So its nearly time for us Scots to vote yes or no to independence and the polls are showing its going to be very close, whats the views on the rest of the UK,do you want us to leave,stay or not bothered."
Coming from an anglo couple we could not care less,the scots have always been a country full of squabblers with as much hatred towards each other than against England.

Most of the uneducated section of the Scottish population are being systematically bribed with the promise of oil money in the north sea(projected profits) No army no navy no sod all they will just look to be propped up by the neighbours once again,in 40 years time they will be crying to be back in!but only if the oil has gone and its looking a tad on the grim side financially

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Currency Union simply will not happen - regardless of Alex's 'mandate' - because it takes two parties to agree.

The rUK electorate will not vote in 2015 for any politician/party that will sign up to allow our pensions & savings to be used to backstop a foreign competitors monetary & economics systems.

I too am fed up with it so i hope Scotland leaves.

Good bye and Good Luck, sure it will work out for you and i wish you well - I'm just not having you doing it on my pension.

If its right that Scotland acts in her own interests then it is right that the UK acts in our interests, that means no Currency Union.

Alex Salmond - "I have a mandate from 5 million people".

Bank of England, UK Govt, leaders of all main parties, opinion polls, all say NO to any proposed Currency Union.

How much of a mandate do you require before you understand it is not the will of the rUK to backstop a potential competitor State?

And it is supposed to be the English who are arrogant..

Another ill informed opinion

Selective response. Savings and pensions will be in £GBP. Why would I be talking about state pension if I am talking about savings and pensions.

I fully support the Sots rights to a referendum and to independence should they choose that road. It would however be a travesty if the Scots did not take on board the global implications of not having a currency union with the rUK. It won't happen, because it can't happen.

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By *uppy ConquerorMan
over a year ago

dundee

"Hope sense prevails and the Scots remain as part of the UK, as we're all better off together.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"What's democratic about a whole country being governed by a political entity we did not vote for?

you tell me.... in scotland only 40% of people voted for the snp... and yet.... 60% are being governed by a party they didn't vote for!

Don't be ridiculous. The majority of voters in Scotland voted SNP those who didn't vote can't complain.

We use proportional representation in Scotland, so your point is moot, and ill informed.

not true... want to get your figures right..

they got 44% of the popular vote... which ended up with them getting 54% of the parliamentary seats......

so... 56% of the popular vote did not vote for the snp...

figures from the scotish election website....

I'll wait for my apology.... don't think I'll get one

My figures are correct. The MAJORITY voted SNP. The rest either voted Labour, Lib Dem, Conservative or Green.

No apology except that maybe I can cone across as something im not, I think of myself as British but Scottish too. I afford no ill will against anything or anyone"

I get sick of the "What's democratic about a whole country being governed by a political entity we did not vote for?" arguement... because it is only ever used when something doesn't go your way....

never heard it being used in the 3 elections beforehand when labour won.... or is that different?????

its a case of using an arguement when it suits you.... oh I'm taking my ball home with me!!!!

my point is.... if you are going to use it... then it needs to be applied evenly... at the moment its not... its called selective amnesia....

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over a year ago

@_abio

We have a wee saying in Glasgow.

"Dae yi? Aye"

This is not about Labour or SNP or any other political party. This is about us not you so don't take it personally

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over a year ago

The British government claims to 'represent the people', but most of Wales didn't vote for them, as I'm sure most of Scotland didn't either.

All politicians claim that they're acting in our 'best interests', when all they're really doing is enriching themselves and acting with self-interest in mind. All with a damned good salary for doing no 'real' work...to say nothing of their second homes and expenses...!

What the UK actually needs is a Swiss system of government, where decisions are made by the people at local level, but it'll never happen because it would be completely against the interests of our current system of government and all the 'gravy train' MPs...they'd have nowhere to go in such a system.

Don't believe that a Swiss federal system of government would leave us FAR better off, and far better placed to move forward in terms of governing ourselves with real beneficial changes...? Take a look at Switzerland's quality of life and economic position, and then tell me that we're better off with a bunch of braying no-hoped MPs spending OUR money on their pet projects and lining their pockets handsomely in the process at the expense of the ordinary working folk.

Guy Fawkes was the only person to have entered parliament with honest intentions.

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over a year ago

I love the Scots and think they are very important to the UK. I hope the No campaign wins; but if not, based on how rich the independent Scotland will be according to the Yes campaign and SNP, I will expect the UK ministers and civil servants to drive the best possible deal for the rump if the UK.

Why should we pick up any unnecessary Scottish debt? If they want to use the Pound Sterling the conditions must be securely in favour if the UK.

What I wonder would happen after independence if a Scot was taken by IS? UK need not intervein and NATO will not be interested as they will not be members.

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over a year ago

Jamaica got independence in 1962. Jamaica has survived.

I understand why people want Scotland to remain part of the UK but if I was Scottish it would be difficult for me to not vote yes. The reality is that a yes vote just forms a new type of 'union' between close allies.

People rightly focus on the impact on Scotland, but the impact on England would be huge.

As an Englishman i believe it is currently better for the English if Scotland stays.

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By *uppy ConquerorMan
over a year ago

dundee

"@_abio

We have a wee saying in Glasgow.

"Dae yi? Aye"

This is not about Labour or SNP or any other political party. This is about us not you so don't take it personally"

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over a year ago

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"@_abio

We have a wee saying in Glasgow.

"Dae yi? Aye"

This is not about Labour or SNP or any other political party. This is about us not you so don't take it personally

and that is a lot of the selfish thinking of the scottish yes voters... it is not just all about you....

I live in the north east of england... and your "all about you" vote will have huge ramifications for us.....

i'll give you an example.....

one of the smallprint pledges is to possibly get off the "airplane emission tax"......

if that was to take place, you immediately crush newcastle and teeside airports... because airlines would likely take advantage to move flights to edinburgh and glasgow.....

so you'll have to excuse me if your "all about you" attitude pisses off the rest of us.....

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By *lligator3Man
over a year ago

Dundee

"Just wish you stopped talking about it and just did it.

Just remember when the going gets tough there will be no running back.

Its always easier to solve problems with friends rather than on your own.

Just a shame so many scot's are so gullible to Alex Salmond's false promises, he has represented his lying profession with honor.

Alistair Darling was asked recently "If we will be better together after the vote, how come we are not better together now"

He didn't have an answer"

That type of question is great for the yes campaign but glosses over the real point.

No one will EVER be content with how society is- we as a people in any country can always do more to tackle any inequalities be it social of financial so saying 'why are we not better together now' is such a low quality argument ....great for a soundbite but helpful to no one.

Darling is in an impossible position to say the UK is all rosy as plenty of people are on the bread line and below....on this issue alone it's whether we can believe in an independent Scotland the poorest will be less poor in a yes vote.

A gulf between rich and poor will always exists in any society so Darling is only ever pointing out he believes Alex salmond can't promise the Eutopia in the white paper because of the massive holes in his figures.

(Fyi I'm still undecided- just a guy wanting facts, not political spin!)

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By *lligator3Man
over a year ago

Dundee

"What is the problem ,I keep telling you they wont go ,they don't have the Balls.

It's stuff like this that makes me hate politics. Comments about not having the balls are pointless, rude and uninformed. It's not about balls.

Debate is good when it's informed and doesn't get personal. Insulting others because of their choice is rude and ignorant.

I'm off to do something else cause this soapbox is old and tired. Live and let live."

Dirty girl is a clever Yes voter trying reverse psychology....I do have balls and to prove it I'm gonna vote yes to stick it to you lol

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

".......................... Again we are NOT voting for the SNP what don't you understand? And if you think this about anti English you are sorely mistaken. England is PART of a union, 4 countries, together. Typical absolutely typical Anglo egotistical attitude"

If, IF, it's not about the SNP, why is Salmond's fizzog plastered across all the Yes campaign literature, at the launch of the Shite Paper and at the two main televised debates?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

i'll give you an example.....

one of the smallprint pledges is to possibly get off the "airplane emission tax"......

if that was to take place, you immediately crush newcastle and teeside airports... because airlines would likely take advantage to move flights to edinburgh and glasgow.....

so you'll have to excuse me if your "all about you" attitude pisses off the rest of us..... "

And, surprise surprise, the SNP have just bought themselves an airport - at Prestwick.

Coincidence?

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over a year ago

"@_abio

We have a wee saying in Glasgow.

"Dae yi? Aye"

This is not about Labour or SNP or any other political party. This is about us not you so don't take it personally

and that is a lot of the selfish thinking of the scottish yes voters... it is not just all about you....

I live in the north east of england... and your "all about you" vote will have huge ramifications for us.....

i'll give you an example.....

one of the smallprint pledges is to possibly get off the "airplane emission tax"......

if that was to take place, you immediately crush newcastle and teeside airports... because airlines would likely take advantage to move flights to edinburgh and glasgow.....

so you'll have to excuse me if your "all about you" attitude pisses off the rest of us..... "

I'm a little confused by this, why wouldn't an independent country consider it's best interests? Why wouldn't it make decisions to increase it's competitive edge?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

".........

so you'll have to excuse me if your "all about you" attitude pisses off the rest of us.....

I'm a little confused by this, why wouldn't an independent country consider it's best interests? Why wouldn't it make decisions to increase it's competitive edge?"

No reason at all 'cept that if rUK were to decide to do the same, iScotland would come of second best - by a long way.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I'm a little confused by this, why wouldn't an independent country consider it's best interests? Why wouldn't it make decisions to increase it's competitive edge?"

if they were truely independent... cool... by at the moment it looks as if they want all of the positives... without any of the negative consequences (i.e the lack of the currency union)

they think they will get everything and lose nothing..... in the real world that ain't happening

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over a year ago

I would like to see everyone have the independence they deserve, so I'm all for it. I just want to ask...

Does that mean you will try to rebuild Hadrian's Wall to keep the immigrants out?

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

wouldn't say not bothered as such, as i have no input into the outcome so nothing i can do either way.

but however it comes out, i wish the very best of luck all round and hope it works out for both the scots and the english

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over a year ago

If Scotland gain independence, I don't think it'll make the tiniest difference to the ordinary folk - at least not for a few generations. By then, people will have forgotten or don't care anymore about all the mud-slinging that's happening at the moment, and some other huge world problem will be at the fore. From what I've seen though, and I really don't care either way about the result, that Salmond bloke seems to be a complete arsehole.

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over a year ago

my new scottish independence stance is:

no change, politicians will say anything that benefits numbers.....they only care about numbers...as a number YOU are always constrained to what they want.Independance or not...........NOTHING will change.

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over a year ago

Just a shame so many scot's are so gullible to Alex Salmond's false promises, he has represented his lying profession with honor.

Alistair Darling was asked recently "If we will be better together after the vote, how come we are not better together now"

He didn't have an answer"

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

I am board with it board with the polls and it won't be close when it comes to it as people will bottle it.

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over a year ago

I am board with it board with the polls and it won't be close when it comes to it as people will bottle it. "
bored you mean

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over a year ago

If they vote YES.

Will we be able to get duty free fags & booze,by simply crossing the border ???

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over a year ago

I am board with it board with the polls and it won't be close when it comes to it as people will bottle it. bored you mean"

Well I did put fucked off up to the eyeballs with it all I have lost the will to live with the endless independence threads.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Dirty girl is a clever Yes voter trying reverse psychology....I do have balls and to prove it I'm gonna vote yes to stick it to you lol"

You couldn't be more wrong. Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups. I'm a no voter because I believe we will be worse off alone for a number of reasons.

My objection is to the vitriol that this whole campaign has caused. The insults. The comments about having no balls or no bottle. It's not about having no balls. It's about having a grown up debate that isn't personal but answers the questions asked honestly. I too wonder why we're not better together now.

I'm just sick of the whole thing. People should be allowed to vote the way they choose for what's best for them. I don't want to be insulted because of my choice. Nor should you.

I have no desire to sway anyone's choice by reverse psychology and quite frankly I'm unimpressed by the assumption.

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over a year ago

I couldn't care less either way.

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over a year ago

As an English person I hope the Scottish people vote for what they believe is right. It's probably a once in a lifetime chance and, personally, I wouldn't want to live in a country ruled by another one. Oh hang on....Europe controls us! Bugger

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over a year ago

Dirty girl is a clever Yes voter trying reverse psychology....I do have balls and to prove it I'm gonna vote yes to stick it to you lol

You couldn't be more wrong. Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups. I'm a no voter because I believe we will be worse off alone for a number of reasons.

I'm just sick of the whole thing. People should be allowed to vote the way they choose for what's best for them. I don't want to be insulted because of my choice. Nor should you.

I have no desire to sway anyone's choice by reverse psychology and quite frankly I'm unimpressed by the assumption. "

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over a year ago

"As an English person I hope the Scottish people vote for what they believe is right. It's probably a once in a lifetime chance and, personally, I wouldn't want to live in a country ruled by another one. Oh hang on....Europe controls us! Bugger"

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over a year ago

I have just bought 2 scots pies and a bottle of buckfast

is it todat we vote?

*i Honestly have the pies n buckfast lolol

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By *hrissie1961Woman
over a year ago

dumfries and galloway

"What's democratic about a whole country being governed by a political entity we did not vote for?

you tell me.... in scotland only 40% of people voted for the snp... and yet.... 60% are being governed by a party they didn't vote for!

Don't be ridiculous. The majority of voters in Scotland voted SNP those who didn't vote can't complain

We use proportional representation in Scotland, so your point is moot, and ill informed."

I live in Scotland and didn't vote SNP.....not even as a last choice......therefore I didn't get who I voted for

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over a year ago

"I have just bought 2 scots pies and a bottle of buckfast

is it todat we vote?

*i Honestly have the pies n buckfast lolol"

had one sip...i dunno if I can stomach this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just a shame so many scot's are so gullible to Alex Salmond's false promises, he has represented his lying profession with honor.

Alistair Darling was asked recently "If we will be better together after the vote, how come we are not better together now"

He didn't have an answer

I saw this too and it's very insulting to all the successful businesses, universities and everything that is so good about Scotland now. Why are you not better together now? We already are! The 8th biggest economy in the world!!!! The person who posed that question obviously hasn't travelled very much!"

this is only applicable if money/economics is the benchmark for better, many studies have shown that the UK is among the nations with the highest levels of inequality.

so as always statistics can be used to prove anything you want them to, all thats required is to be selective in regards the data you rely on to reach a conclusion.

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By *hrissie1961Woman
over a year ago

dumfries and galloway

Had the SNP shown us over the last few years that they were credible leaders, I may have voted differently. They have been at the helm for years and could have been giving out all the stuff they are offering now.

They have the worst ever minister for health, the NHS has no confidence in him, but they defeated a vote of no confidence because they have a majority......why would you trust them with the NHS when they don't listen to the people who work in it, but keep a minister who would rather be getting his picture taken, rather than dealing with the fact that there is wide spread neglect in our NHS leading to deaths...

It's not just the NHS they prefer to fund fancy pavements, but the roads have huge potholes..it goes on and on.....if you disagree with them, you are mocked and called un patriotic ..... It's as much no supporters country

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over a year ago

the staunch facts are: if we win(the yes vote) it will be a national party and holiday..

if we dont(a no vote)..there will be a drink session(involving YES voters too)

could be a few fights..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just a shame so many scot's are so gullible to Alex Salmond's false promises, he has represented his lying profession with honor.

Alistair Darling was asked recently "If we will be better together after the vote, how come we are not better together now"

He didn't have an answer

What's insulting is that you espouse opinions before actually having lived in someone's shoes. Have you ever lived in a Glasgow slum? If you've been here have you seen 3 miles either side of ANY city centre bar none and seen poverty in this country?

Selfish? Im anything but.

I am not anti English, Irish or Welsh im pro Scottish, hopefully we will treat each other like adults after the divorce of it happens

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over a year ago

I'm a little confused by this, why wouldn't an independent country consider it's best interests? Why wouldn't it make decisions to increase it's competitive edge?

if they were truely independent... cool... by at the moment it looks as if they want all of the positives... without any of the negative consequences (i.e the lack of the currency union)

they think they will get everything and lose nothing..... in the real world that ain't happening"

I appreciate the point you're making but isn't it normal to want all of the positives without the negatives?

France and Germany are independent countries but share a currency. The pound is British not English. The Scots have as much right to it as the English or Welsh, that's the reality. There seems to have been a lot of scaremongering with regard the currency.

I was speaking with a staunch euro-sceptic yesterday who was also a very vocal supporter of the NO vote. He refused to see any contradiction.

I can understand why a Scot would want their country to be independent.

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over a year ago

"the staunch facts are: if we win(the yes vote) it will be a national party and holiday..

if we dont(a no vote)..there will be a drink session(involving YES voters too)

could be a few fights..

There's always fights in glasgow anyway! Won't be different from a usual weekend

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over a year ago

"the staunch facts are: if we win(the yes vote) it will be a national party and holiday..

if we dont(a no vote)..there will be a drink session(involving YES voters too)

could be a few fights..

There's always fights in glasgow anyway! Won't be different from a usual weekend

we might shout FREEEEEDOM or INFREEEEEDOM

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over a year ago

"the staunch facts are: if we win(the yes vote) it will be a national party and holiday..

if we dont(a no vote)..there will be a drink session(involving YES voters too)

could be a few fights..

There's always fights in glasgow anyway! Won't be different from a usual weekend

we might shout FREEEEEDOM or INFREEEEEDOM"
remember your kilt

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

I'm a little confused by this, why wouldn't an independent country consider it's best interests? Why wouldn't it make decisions to increase it's competitive edge?

if they were truely independent... cool... by at the moment it looks as if they want all of the positives... without any of the negative consequences (i.e the lack of the currency union)

they think they will get everything and lose nothing..... in the real world that ain't happening

I appreciate the point you're making but isn't it normal to want all of the positives without the negatives?

I was speaking with a staunch euro-sceptic yesterday who was also a very vocal supporter of the NO vote. He refused to see any contradiction.

I can understand why a Scot would want their country to be independent.

There is no scaremongering about the currency just facts laid out by the Governer of the Bank of England and the leaders of the three main political parties. It can't happen and the reason that it can't happen is because Scotland will be an independent country with more generous social welfare benefits AND allegedly a lower taxing state than rUK.

We have all seen all too recently what has happened and is continuing to happen in the Eurozone with a shared currency but independent economic policies. Britain avoided joining the Euro zone and so no one in the UK is going to expose sterling to a similar fate as the Euro.

If the Scots wish to compete with RUK by offering lower Corporation Tax and abolishing APD as well as offering free higher education, free prescriptions and a more generous welfare system ... Fine. But don't expect the lower taxes and higher spending to be supported by the currency of the country that you are competing against.

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over a year ago

"Had the SNP shown us over the last few years that they were credible leaders, I may have voted differently. They have been at the helm for years and could have been giving out all the stuff they are offering now.

Vote Labour or Tory then, look at th NHS in the rest of the UK.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I'm a little confused by this, why wouldn't an independent country consider it's best interests? Why wouldn't it make decisions to increase it's competitive edge?

if they were truely independent... cool... by at the moment it looks as if they want all of the positives... without any of the negative consequences (i.e the lack of the currency union)

they think they will get everything and lose nothing..... in the real world that ain't happening

I appreciate the point you're making but isn't it normal to want all of the positives without the negatives?

I was speaking with a staunch euro-sceptic yesterday who was also a very vocal supporter of the NO vote. He refused to see any contradiction.

I can understand why a Scot would want their country to be independent.

the difference in that example is that france and germany both Agreed to share a currency... as it is in both their interests....

the currency union is certainly in Scotlands interest.... but as the governor of the BOE says, it may not be in the rUK best interest

yep the pound is shared... but you can't expect them to say

"we want to walk away from you because we don't feel treated right... oh by the way I want to keep the car, the house, the pets, all the cds ect ect ect....."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You cant expect to get divorced and still hang on to the joint credit cards and bank account.

If you really want to go it alone,then good luck and I hope it works out well.

Just accept that leaving everything behind is exactly that,not cherry picking the best bits and running off to a greener field.

Starting off a new life is expensive and bloody hard work.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

Not you Scots, that can vote though, as somewhere between 7 and 10% of those eligible to vote are not Scottish, whilst twice as many as that who are Scottish, but live in England, are not allowed to vote. And English people living in Scotland are also allowed to vote!

Mad, really.

I hope the Yes votes win.

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over a year ago

I'm a little confused by this, why wouldn't an independent country consider it's best interests? Why wouldn't it make decisions to increase it's competitive edge?

if they were truely independent... cool... by at the moment it looks as if they want all of the positives... without any of the negative consequences (i.e the lack of the currency union)

they think they will get everything and lose nothing..... in the real world that ain't happening

I appreciate the point you're making but isn't it normal to want all of the positives without the negatives?

I was speaking with a staunch euro-sceptic yesterday who was also a very vocal supporter of the NO vote. He refused to see any contradiction.

I can understand why a Scot would want their country to be independent.

i'm not getting into the merits of a currency union, quite frankly because i'm fed up hearing both sides go round and round with the same repeated rhetoric.

I will however make comment regarding the Euro, firstly the UK media and politicians have managed to spin our non-membership, the reality is we CANNOT join the Euro because we are incapable of meeting the conditions of membership. And as far as the nonsense that is being bandied about that Scotland will need to join the Euro to gain EU membership, all any nation has to do is opt to become a part of ERM2 (a voluntary decision for each nation) and they would remain outwith the Euro.

Its there in black and white, (available via the tinternet) if you choose to research the subject.

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over a year ago

I'm a little confused by this, why wouldn't an independent country consider it's best interests? Why wouldn't it make decisions to increase it's competitive edge?

if they were truely independent... cool... by at the moment it looks as if they want all of the positives... without any of the negative consequences (i.e the lack of the currency union)

they think they will get everything and lose nothing..... in the real world that ain't happening

I appreciate the point you're making but isn't it normal to want all of the positives without the negatives?

I was speaking with a staunch euro-sceptic yesterday who was also a very vocal supporter of the NO vote. He refused to see any contradiction.

I can understand why a Scot would want their country to be independent.

i'm not getting into the merits of a currency union, quite frankly because i'm fed up hearing both sides go round and round with the same repeated rhetoric.

Its there in black and white, (available via the tinternet) if you choose to research the subject."

* wee typo there, should read, opt not to become part of ERM2

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You cant expect to get divorced and still hang on to the joint credit cards and bank account.

If you really want to go it alone,then good luck and I hope it works out well.

Just accept that leaving everything behind is exactly that,not cherry picking the best bits and running off to a greener field.

Starting off a new life is expensive and bloody hard work."

As an undecided voter can i give you how this is looking from my perspective, we have heard repeatedly via the media and the white paper that the Scottish government/yes campaign are seeking to negotiate a fair split of both the assets and liabilities of the UK if there is a yes vote.

on the other hand we have had repeated statements from the UK government/Westminster parties/no campaign saying they will not negotiate over the UK assets and still expect Scotland to take a share of debts in accordance with Westminsters view on how to split the debt, again not a negotiation.

I know which of those positions sounds most reasonable to me.